Abstract and Practical Spells
Sidney Lambe
Spells are Beliefs are Spells.
Abstract spells are those that effect large areas of your life
that are tied to no particular physical symbols or events.
"I am a worthy and deserving person."
"Life is Good."
"All existence is blessed."
"I am the creator of my own experience."
Those are examples of positive and non-limiting abstract spells.
Abstract spells are the primary concern of a magician. They form
the framework in which all experience takes place. They define
the field of possibilities and determine the basic quality of
life.
Practical spells deal with specific events and things. Like
bodily health and prosperity and love relationships.
The efficacy of practical spells is dependent upon the abstract
spells being maintained by the magician.
For example, If you believe that you are unworthy, then no amount
of casting for prosperity will work.
Sid
sarchasm
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> Spells are Beliefs are Spells.
>
Placebo effects are not "spells".
>
> Abstract spells are those that effect large areas of your life
> that are tied to no particular physical symbols or events.
>
> "I am a worthy and deserving person."
> "Life is Good."
> "All existence is blessed."
> "I am the creator of my own experience."
>
> Those are examples of positive and non-limiting abstract spells.
>
No, those are examples of 'affirmations' and self-hypnosis which disregard
apprehending situations for what they are and instead, form a self-deluded
fantasy of how 'sid' wishes things were. It is Staurt Smalley daily
affirmational nonsense.
aine
Bwahahahahahahah Staurt Smalley HPS of Stuart Smalley School of
Wichcraft. That is Sids new name and Title.
sarchasm
Yeah, her motto-spell would be, "I'm smart enough, good enough and dammit,
people like me", (along with her other wishful-thinking beliefs).
sarchasm
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> Spells are Beliefs are Spells.
>
>
> "Nothing you or ten billion people believe has any effect on them at all."
ren
> No, those are examples of 'affirmations' and self-hypnosis which disregard
> apprehending situations for what they are and instead, form a self-deluded
> fantasy of how 'sid' wishes things were. It is Staurt Smalley daily
> affirmational nonsense.
Ren typed;
I agree. At one time all Psychology was considered an aspect of
Magick. But Psychology is a dedicated academic subject now. Let's
leave it to the Psychologists to educate us on "Positive Affirmations"
and "Defeatist Thoughts".
These certainly are important foundations of all magickal rituals. As
I stated in the "attraction" ritual, you must accept yourself and
allow yourself to be worthy of love. You must not speak negatively
about your ability to attract others. You must have one ritual, one
section of pages in your spell book about "attraction". There must be
no conflicting thoughts.
Now as an extension of this, try "Positive Affirmation" within a Lucid
Dream. Just say within your Lucid Dream, "I summon the visible force
of love before me. I am worthy to receive love from that special
someone. Now see that force of love pull toward you many things that
you truly love." See what happens in that dream. Magick is more than
just Psychology. Magick is more than Visualization.
Do not argue. Try what I suggest first. Then argue.
aine
Psychology is the mundane aspect to set the magick up for those who
cannot achieve it without messing with others heads, battle plans and
psyche.
Magic(k) needs no set up or should not. Not if you have full belief in
your abilities.
I use psychology for verbal debate. My magic is completely seperate.
aine
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See above...my theories and ways disclaimer.
sarchasm
> "ren" <ren1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Sar" typed;
>
> > No, those are examples of 'affirmations' and self-hypnosis which
> > disregard
> > apprehending situations for what they are and instead, form a
> > self-deluded
> > fantasy of how 'sid' wishes things were. It is Staurt Smalley daily
> > affirmational nonsense.
>
> Ren typed;
> I agree. At one time all Psychology was considered an aspect of
> Magick. But Psychology is a dedicated academic subject now. Let's
> leave it to the Psychologists to educate us on "Positive Affirmations"
> and "Defeatist Thoughts".
>
"Positive Affirmations" often are self-delusional short-cuts which are
apparently intended to see things as one would wish them to be, rather than
as they actually are. Using them as a 'self-hypnotic' medium for change
diverts attention away from doing the more difficult work of changing
circumstances, rather than just changing one's beliefs. "Defeatist
Thoughts" are merely the opposite side of the same coin, (i.e., "negative
affirmations"). A change in belief alone is insufficient to cause a change
concerning the subject of the belief. The point being that, as you imply,
there are more elements to this process, (of which, "belief" may be an
optional variable).
>
> These certainly are important foundations of all magickal rituals.
>
Some but, I wouldn't go so far as to declare that they are for "all"
magickal rituals.
>
> Now as an extension of this, try "Positive Affirmation" within a Lucid
> Dream. Just say within your Lucid Dream, "I summon the visible force
> of love before me. I am worthy to receive love from that special
> someone. Now see that force of love pull toward you many things that
> you truly love." See what happens in that dream.
>
If the foundation of the ritual has its basis in a belief-illusion, the
result of such a ritual has the strong possibility of being just as
illusionary and just as unstable an effect in the end.
>
> Magick is more than just Psychology. Magick is more than Visualization.
>
Agreed.
>
> Do not argue. Try what I suggest first.
>
Whoops.
>
> Then argue.
>
>Psychology is the mundane aspect to set the magick up for those who
>cannot achieve it without messing with others heads, battle plans and
>psyche.
>
Mind games, psychological warfare - these are indeed aspects of flamewars
or, mundane manipulative techniques.
>
>Magic(k) needs no set up or should not. Not if you have full belief in your
>abilities.
>
These is a subtle difference between "belief" and 'self-confidence'.
Confidence usually arises from prior success while belief may require a
"fake it until you make it" stance until one succeeds.
>
>I use psychology for verbal debate. My magic is completely seperate.
>
Cool. Some mix the two, or at least operate under the belief that they are.
aine
> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >I use psychology for verbal debate. My magic is completely seperate.
>
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So scam artists, stalkers who leave sigils/ supposed curses, sleight
of handers and hypnotists are magickals or practice witchcraft now?
People who use body language or twist of words to oogie boogie and
play on others already mundane fears?
I do not agree that is magical practice or makes one a practitioner of
witchcraft.
aine
just me tho...;) I get not everyone feels the same. Not picking
arguements just...me
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I use psychology for verbal debate. My magic is completely seperate.
>
> Cool. Some mix the two, or at least operate under the belief that they
> are.
>
>So scam artists, stalkers who leave sigils/ supposed curses, sleight
>of handers and hypnotists are magickals or practice witchcraft now?
>People who use body language or twist of words to oogie boogie and
>play on others already mundane fears?
>
Not if those are mundane manipulative psychology methods, used alone.
>
>I do not agree that is magical practice or makes one a practitioner of
>witchcraft.
>
Neither do I. Such methods can be components of some types of witchcraft
but, they are not all that comprises witchcraft.
aine
> "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >"aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >I use psychology for verbal debate. My magic is completely seperate.
>
> > Cool. Some mix the two, or at least operate under the belief that they
> > are.
>
> >So scam artists, stalkers who leave sigils/ supposed curses, sleight
> >of handers and hypnotists are magickals or practice witchcraft now?
> >People who use body language or twist of words to oogie boogie and
> >play on others already mundane fears?
>
> Not if those are mundane manipulative psychology methods, used alone.<
Well may Crowley and crew forgive me for finding his and his followers
somewhat off kilter for needing to do so much mundane footwork in his
famous Witchwars. Leaving sigils, poppets..just esculated to the enemy
doing the same. I mean seriously..if it is not a game why not just do
it? Get it done? Seems to me..most of it is ego based needing to let
the other know who is bigger and better. I don't care for the credit,
I just get done what I need to do.
ren
> So scam artists, stalkers who leave sigils/ supposed curses, sleight
> of handers and hypnotists are magickals or practice witchcraft now?
> People who use body language or twist of words to oogie boogie and
> play on others already mundane fears?
In the ancient world, all of these skills would have been considered
basic forms of magick.
Hypnotism is an intermediate form of magick.
Understanding "Body Language" and "Verbal Abuse" is very important for
all magickians.
I think we both agree based on your comments that now we have
Psychology and we file all these things under that.
Hypnosis and Lucid Dreaming are skills of Psychology but they border
magick.
aine
They have always been seperate things.Most cultures knew the power of
the mind and how they could make people curse themselves or hypnotize
but you cannot deny there were many things done as "spells" that
relied on none of this. Even way back.
The point was not to be caught. Get executed. Burned as a Witch.
Humans named many things magick when they were not but magick does
exist that does not depend on anothers mind set or psychology. That is
what magic truly is.
Psychology, hypnotism, awareness of body signals and fast talking are
mundane things that anyone can learn.
There are far and few that can perform actual magic. The changing of
energy. The divining of dreams and omens. Prophecy and channeling from
the Gods. Pagan mankind has decided they can take psychology and
mundane tricks..study it and call themselves magickals.
That simply does not make it so. Power borns exist.
ren
> Psychology, hypnotism, awareness of body signals and fast talking are
> mundane things that anyone can learn.
In my opinion, we should learn them.
> There are far and few that can perform actual magic. The changing of
> energy. The divining of dreams and omens. Prophecy and channeling from
> the Gods. Pagan mankind has decided they can take psychology and
> mundane tricks..study it and call themselves magickals.
Nor do they even want to examine the evidence of spirits.
> That simply does not make it so. Power borns exist.
Yes. You and I know that. I, for one, am thankful that nobody else
suspects it.
Sidney Lambe
> On Jan 11, 6:58=A0am, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Psychology, hypnotism, awareness of body signals and fast talking are
>> mundane things that anyone can learn.
>
> In my opinion, we should learn them.
>
>> There are far and few that can perform actual magic. The changing of
>> energy. The divining of dreams and omens. Prophecy and channeling from
>> mundane tricks..study it and call themselves magickals.
>
> Nor do they even want to examine the evidence of spirits.
>
>> That simply does not make it so. Power borns exist.
>
> Yes. You and I know that. I, for one, am thankful that nobody else
> suspects it.
>
I suspect that you couldn't find your own asshole with the theatrical
woo-woo you call magick.
So far, my suspicions have been validated.
I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that you can do anything
that _you_ would call magick.
Sid
hy
> "Positive Affirmations" often are self-delusional short-cuts which are
> apparently intended to see things as one would wish them to be, rather than
> as they actually are. Using them as a 'self-hypnotic' medium for change
> diverts attention away from doing the more difficult work of changing
> circumstances, rather than just changing one's beliefs. "Defeatist
> Thoughts" are merely the opposite side of the same coin, (i.e., "negative
> affirmations"). A change in belief alone is insufficient to cause a change
> concerning the subject of the belief. The point being that, as you imply,
> there are more elements to this process, (of which, "belief" may be an
> optional variable).
>
I think most people go about Positive Affirmaitons wrong.
They work well when based on our core and internal truths compared to
something that is based on greed, need or what we "think we want"
ourselves to be doing.
aine
Doesn't make them magick. Just makes us dumb enough to believe
ourselves.
sarchasm
"sidney" is currently providing ample examples of false beliefs.