Telling My Parents/Relatives?
Endless Search
Greetings,
My name is David J, and I'm new to the Wicca religion. I'm just about
finnished reading Scott Cunningham's "The Truth About Witchcraft
Today." I DO believe Wicca is the right path for me and I intend to
become initiated and become a Wiccan.
My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question "How do I
explain my new choice of religion?" But most of all...."How will the
Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
present?" Should I refuse the offer???
Thanks in advance.
David J.
rom...@azstarnet.com
Endless Search <nic...@planet.earthcom.net> wrote:
*Greetings,
* My name is David J, and I'm new to the Wicca religion. I'm
just about
*finnished reading Scott Cunningham's "The Truth About Witchcraft
*Today." I DO believe Wicca is the right path for me and I intend to
*become initiated and become a Wiccan.
* My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question
"How do I
*explain my new choice of religion?" But most of all...."How will the
*Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
*present?" Should I refuse the offer???
* Thanks in advance.
*David J.
____________________________________________________________________________
My first question would be how old are you? My answers would
probably stem from the answer to that question.
I would probably accept it. Although I am Wiccan I have friends and
relatives who are not. I would not hurt their feelings by rejecting
something they have given in good will.
Lyflite
>Endless Search <nic...@planet.earthcom.net> wrote:
>*Greetings,
>* My name is David J, and I'm new to the Wicca religion. I'm
>just about
>*finnished reading Scott Cunningham's "The Truth About Witchcraft
>*Today." I DO believe Wicca is the right path for me and I intend to
>*become initiated and become a Wiccan.
>* My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question
>"How do I
>*explain my new choice of religion?" But most of all...."How will the
>*Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
>*present?" Should I refuse the offer???
>* Thanks in advance.
>*David J.
>____________________________________________________________________________
(Valentine)
>My first question would be how old are you? My answers would
>probably stem from the answer to that question.
>I would probably accept it. Although I am Wiccan I have friends and
>relatives who are not. I would not hurt their feelings by rejecting
>something they have given in good will.
______________________________________________________________________________
(Lyflite)
I believe in Santa Claus! I celebrate "Christmas". I am Pagan. I am Wiccan.
I am Lyflite... : )
Mike
Endless Search wrote:
> My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question
>"How do I
> explain my new choice of religion?"
Don't, I just ingore it with my folks, and have even gone to their
church with them. I never offer any comments about religion, 'cause I
know I'll be disowned if I do. Others are more fortuneate with their
parents. <sigh>
>But most of all...."How will the
> Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
> present?" Should I refuse the offer???
Its a Yule gift. How did Goddess and God react last year??
smile and thank them. Offer one in return.
--
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Mike
Endless Search wrote:
> My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question
>"How do I
> explain my new choice of religion?"
Don't, I just ingore it with my folks, and have even gone to their
church with them. I never offer any comments about religion, 'cause I
know I'll be disowned if I do. Others are more fortuneate with their
parents. <sigh>
>But most of all...."How will the
> Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
> present?" Should I refuse the offer???
Its a Yule gift. How did Goddess and God react last year??
smile and thank them. Offe one in return
Jolaster
You shouldn't worry what other people think if you truly believe in the
Goddess. Oh, and Christmas has almost nothing to do with Christ
nowadays.
hor...@islandnet.com
Endless Search <nic...@planet.earthcom.net> wrote:
>But most of all...."How will the
>Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
>present?" Should I refuse the offer???
>
>David J.
Actually, the surprising thing is why Christians carry on this very Pagan custom of
exchanging gifts at Yule. Why refuse? What they are doing is PERFECTLY PAGAN!
Pagans firsts gave gifts at Yule long before Christianity. From gift-giving at
Saturnalia (Roman) to Frau Holle in her chariot (Germanic) to Gefjon and her wagon
(Norse in Denmark), this is a very Pagan custom that is celebrated in many Pagan
traditions. Enjoy, and wish them a blessed Yule! Santa is just a combination of
many divine Pagan gift-givers (every wonder why he vaguely resembles Odinn?). ;)
P.S. Some books that talk about the pre-Christian Yule, its mythology, and its very
ancient Pagan customs (decorating the tree, yule logs, etc.) read: Teutonic Myths,
by Jacob Grimm; When Santa was a Shaman, by Tony van Rentergehm; The Solstice
Evergreen, by Sheryl Ann Karas; and, Practical Magic in the Northern Tradition by
Nigel Pennick.
How will the Goddess and God react? With approval, I should think, at the ancient
traditions still being followed. My husband and I, in our Pagan household, decorate
the house with holly (in our tradition, sacred to the Goddess), mistletoe and ivy
(both sacred to the God), put up a Yule-tree (symbolic of the Green God), and give
Yule presents and Christmas presents to family and friends, who give us Yule
presents and Yule cards ("Merry Solstice," etc.). It really isn't a big deal what
religion one is - we can all enjoy the season!
Blessings!
Bryony
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Joann Malina
Endless Search (nic...@planet.earthcom.net) wrote:
: My name is David J, and I'm new to the Wicca religion. I'm just about
: finnished reading Scott Cunningham's "The Truth About Witchcraft
: Today." I DO believe Wicca is the right path for me and I intend to
: become initiated and become a Wiccan.
: My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question "How do I
: explain my new choice of religion?"
Do you have to explain it? I'd wait until, oh, 5 years after you've
been initiated (self- or into some tradition). That will give you time
to think over what you are going to say.
Really now, you're looking forward to that confrontation a little,
aren't you? Where you bring out the forces of truth against their
benighted ignorance? If that's the case, wait. At least until you
are on your own and not dependent on them for food, clothing, etc (if
you are).
If you need to talk to someone but are an isolated solitary, talk to
your friends here on the Internet.
: But most of all...."How will the
: Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
: present?" Should I refuse the offer???
Whoa. You're not joining one of them "jealous god" cults like the one
your family practices. Very seriously, if you think the God and Goddess
are going to try to rope, tie and brand you, you don't understand this
religion one little bit. Read more books, by other people. Think more.
Do rituals beneath the full moon and ask for understanding. When you
see how silly your question is, you'll be ready to declare for the Wiccan
path. I'm not pimping or flaming you, though my language is somewhat
flippant. This is a serious problem.
--
Jo Ann Malina, jma...@hooked.net
I like to write when I feel spiteful; it's like having a good sneeze.
-- D. H. Lawrence
John Finnegan
> My name is David J, and I'm new to the Wicca religion. I'm just about
>finnished reading Scott Cunningham's "The Truth About Witchcraft
>Today." I DO believe Wicca is the right path for me and I intend to
>become initiated and become a Wiccan.
> My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question "How do I
>explain my new choice of religion?"
Do yourself a favor and don't tell them about it until you are a bit
further along your path. A person's choice of religion is a private
matter, and he is not obligated to shout it from the rooftops. Having
to fight about it with your relatives is not likely to lead to any
happy memories about your first days in the Craft.
>But most of all...."How will the
>Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
>present?" Should I refuse the offer???
Accept the gift in the spirit that it is offered.
>David J.
JL
Endless Search <nic...@planet.earthcom.net> is rumored to have spoken
thusly:
>But most of all...."How will the
>Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
>present?" Should I refuse the offer???
This question seems to have been basically skipped over, or at least
used as an excuse to say "Oh, Christmas is Pagan anyways!"
Which sounds (and I am not trying to attack anyone here) like a lot of
validatory nonsense.
Do we, as pagans, really NEED to say "Well, Xtians are carrying on the
Pagan faith" just to feel as though our religion is valid and worthy?
Isn't our religion worthy enough without having to validate it in a
modern cultural context? Can it not be spiritual, without getting
into "If I believe it, it must be true"-style ego-neediness?
Think about it, it DOES sound like this is what is happening, that we
are doing exactly what we accuse the Xtians of: needing to validate
their beliefs with an outside source in modern culture.
In their case, they feel driven convert people so as to feel better
about their personal choice, instead of being happy with their own
beliefs (ie-- if you believe it too, that makes me feel better because
I have a clique and am not alone). In our case it is, "Oh Christmas
is an old Pagan holiday, so they are carrying it on."
That is fine, but unfortunately, I *always* hear Pagans saying it as
the first thing about Christmas. Does Yule/Christmas really need to
be validated in this manner? Do we need this?
Shouldn't the deeper question have been looked at here?
"How will the Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a
Christmas present?"
Why should they react negatively?
They wouldn't. They are not cruel or jealous Deities, watching over
everything we do, casting lightning bolts at us when we make mistakes.
Should this not have been seen as the obvious answer to this question,
as a correction of sorts to this young man's perceptions about the
Goddes and the God? Yes, it should have been.
But all I saw was "Oh, Christmas is Yule, so they will not mind."
If someone gave us a present for a holiday that had no Pagan
correspondence, they would not care.
All religions flow into them, all flow out of them.
Each being sees this flow in a different light.
We see it in the light of Paganism.
Blessed Be!
-Oarim
*****************************************************
I am the unqenchable fire, The center of all energy,
The stout heroic heart, I am the truth and the light,
I hold power and glory in my sway,
My presence disperses dark clouds.
I have been chosen to tame the Fates
I AM THE DRAGON
Marisa Wood
In a previous article, ax...@lafn.org (Mike) says:
>Endless Search wrote:
>
>> My parents/relatives are Christian which rises the question
>>"How do I
>> explain my new choice of religion?"
>
>Don't, I just ingore it with my folks, and have even gone to their
>church with them. I never offer any comments about religion, 'cause I
>know I'll be disowned if I do. Others are more fortuneate with their
>parents. <sigh>
I guess I'm one of the luckier ones, although not as fortunate as I'd
like to be. I'm sure the shit would hit the fan if I told my family,
"I'm a Witch," but they know I'm not a Christian. I had THAT discussion
with them years ago. They know some of my beliefs--"Try not to hurt
anybody" and "You get back what you give out" were my rephrasings of the
Rede and the Threefold Law, respectively.
>>But most of all...."How will the
>> Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
>> present?" Should I refuse the offer???
>
> Its a Yule gift. How did Goddess and God react last year??
>smile and thank them. Offe one in return
This is another way in which I guess I'm lucky, because in my family
there's really very little "Christ" in Christmas. It's just a time to
decorate a tree, bake and frost cookies, eat, and open presents. I see
it as just their way of celebrating Yule.
I even send winter holiday cards every year, usually with "Season's
Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" on them, and pictures of holly or
snowflakes or stags. That way both my Christian *and* Pagan loved ones
are covered!
BB, Ishara
>Permission to use my e-mail address for unsolicited business
> e-mail is withdrawn as of Sept. 2, 1996. Unsolicited
> business mail will be proof read, and a $200.00 US
> charge invoiced to the sender. ax...@lafn.org
>
> "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind
>is being very wasteful. How true that is."- Vice Pres. D. Quayle
>
--
Marisa Wood "Under the armour of that iron woman/
So many things lie within"
bd...@scn.org --Julia Fordham, "Island"
rom...@azstarnet.com
slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*Endless Search <nic...@planet.earthcom.net> is rumored to have
spoken
*thusly:
*>But most of all...."How will the
*>Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
*>present?" Should I refuse the offer???
*This question seems to have been basically skipped over, or at least
*used as an excuse to say "Oh, Christmas is Pagan anyways!"
*Which sounds (and I am not trying to attack anyone here) like a lot
of
*validatory nonsense.
*Do we, as pagans, really NEED to say "Well, Xtians are carrying on
the
*Pagan faith" just to feel as though our religion is valid and worthy?
*Isn't our religion worthy enough without having to validate it in a
*modern cultural context? Can it not be spiritual, without getting
*into "If I believe it, it must be true"-style ego-neediness?
*Think about it, it DOES sound like this is what is happening, that we
*are doing exactly what we accuse the Xtians of: needing to validate
*their beliefs with an outside source in modern culture.
*In their case, they feel driven convert people so as to feel better
*about their personal choice, instead of being happy with their own
*beliefs (ie-- if you believe it too, that makes me feel better
because
*I have a clique and am not alone). In our case it is, "Oh Christmas
*is an old Pagan holiday, so they are carrying it on."
*That is fine, but unfortunately, I *always* hear Pagans saying it as
*the first thing about Christmas. Does Yule/Christmas really need to
*be validated in this manner? Do we need this?
*Shouldn't the deeper question have been looked at here?
*"How will the Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a
*Christmas present?"
*Why should they react negatively?
*They wouldn't. They are not cruel or jealous Deities, watching over
*everything we do, casting lightning bolts at us when we make
mistakes.
*Should this not have been seen as the obvious answer to this
question,
*as a correction of sorts to this young man's perceptions about the
*Goddes and the God? Yes, it should have been.
*But all I saw was "Oh, Christmas is Yule, so they will not mind."
*If someone gave us a present for a holiday that had no Pagan
*correspondence, they would not care.
*All religions flow into them, all flow out of them.
*Each being sees this flow in a different light.
*We see it in the light of Paganism.
*Blessed Be!
*-Oarim
_____________________________________________________________________________
Not everyone "skipped over, or used as an excuse to say "Oh, Christmas
is Pagan anyways!" You seem to have totaly missed my response so I
have coppied it for you down below:
____________________________________________________________________________
I would probably accept it. Although I am Wiccan I have friends and
relatives who are not. I would not hurt their feelings by rejecting
something they have given in good will.
Valentine aka Starwoman
BeatWic
Hear, hear! I always say they can celebrate in their way, I'll celebrate
in mine.
Blessed Be,
-=BeatWic=-
Zepp
In article <32310C...@planet.earthcom.net>,
Endless Search <nic...@planet.earthcom.net> wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>
>
> My name is David J, and I'm new to the Wicca religion. I'm just
about
>finnished reading Scott Cunningham's "The Truth About Witchcraft
>Today." I DO believe Wicca is the right path for me and I intend to
>become initiated and become a Wiccan.
>Goddess and God react if someone attempts to give me a Christmas
>
>David J.
Greetings back atcha, David. Always good to see another new person...
As for telling your parents, I'd wait until you're out of their
household/financially more or less independent. That way, if they freak, it
won't be so bad. Both my folks are at best agnostic; my mum-in-law is a
Baptist, but a very mellow one. She sends us copies of some xtian mag or
other --Guidelines? something like that--, and often expresses a pious wish
for us to come to jesus. But she doesn't harangue us, nor does she treat us
as lesser folks for not following her faith. I'm pretty lucky here, I guess.
As for xmas presents, AFAIK, Themselves are not at all jealous. The only
Wiccan phrase even close to a commandment (which it's not, more of a
suggestion really) is the rede: "An' it harm none, do what thou wilt shall be
the whole of the law"
Good fortune on your search for knowledge!
Greywolf the Wanderer, borrowing zepp's account
My mate and I put up a Yule tree, and we have our big meal and exchange of
gifties on the Solstice, just after sunset. Works fine! Mind you, if, three
days later, we get invited to Mum's house for a big nosh-up and some free
loot, we cheerfully accept! (and bring contributions of our own)
bambam
ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>Greetings back atcha, David. Always good to see another new person...
>As for telling your parents, I'd wait until you're out of their
>household/financially more or less independent. That way, if they freak, it
>won't be so bad. Both my folks are at best agnostic; my mum-in-law is a
>Baptist, but a very mellow one. She sends us copies of some xtian mag or
>other --Guidelines? something like that--, and often expresses a pious wish
>for us to come to jesus. But she doesn't harangue us, nor does she treat us
>as lesser folks for not following her faith. I'm pretty lucky here, I guess.
>As for xmas presents, AFAIK, Themselves are not at all jealous. The only
>Wiccan phrase even close to a commandment (which it's not, more of a
>suggestion really) is the rede: "An' it harm none, do what thou wilt shall be
>the whole of the law"
>Good fortune on your search for knowledge!
>Greywolf the Wanderer, borrowing zepp's account
>My mate and I put up a Yule tree, and we have our big meal and exchange of
>gifties on the Solstice, just after sunset. Works fine! Mind you, if, three
>days later, we get invited to Mum's house for a big nosh-up and some free
>loot, we cheerfully accept! (and bring contributions of our own)
Ditto. Yule is celebrated privately, at my house, and Christmas at my mom's
house. Think of it this way - celebrating Christmas w/your family is done for
your family, not for some (perhaps nonexistent) vestige of the Christian faith.
My mother would be very upset if I declined to spend Christmas w/her - her
feelings are more important than what little effort it costs me to go to her
house and accept a gift (damn, not another present).
Besides, exactly how much of a religious experience *is* Christmas. For most
people, its just occasion to buy a lot of stuff they didn't need and give it to
someone else who didn't need it.
JL
rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>Not everyone "skipped over, or used as an excuse to say "Oh, Christmas
>is Pagan anyways!" You seem to have totaly missed my response so I
>have coppied it for you down below:
If you posted it today or yesterday, I probably did miss it.
Also, some news servers do not receive messages on the day they are
sent and post them sometime later.
However true it may be that you did not, I feel you missed the point
of my post entirely (or maybe not), but you at least ignored it to
state "Hey, I said *this*". I don't mean to attack you or sound
harsh, so sorry if I did! :)
I'm GLAD someone did not "validate" (even though most did).
>____________________________________________________________________________
>I would probably accept it. Although I am Wiccan I have friends and
>relatives who are not. I would not hurt their feelings by rejecting
>something they have given in good will.
Blessed Be!
G.K.E.
bam...@ballistic.com (bambam) wrote:
>Ditto. Yule is celebrated privately, at my house, and Christmas at my mom's
>house. Think of it this way - celebrating Christmas w/your family is done for
>your family, not for some (perhaps nonexistent) vestige of the Christian faith.
>My mother would be very upset if I declined to spend Christmas w/her - her
>feelings are more important than what little effort it costs me to go to her
>house and accept a gift (damn, not another present).
>Besides, exactly how much of a religious experience *is* Christmas. For most
>people, its just occasion to buy a lot of stuff they didn't need and give it to
>someone else who didn't need it.
or, in some cases, who don't even WANT it! <G>
You did hit the nail on the head, though. Here in 1996, Xmas is 50%
commercial, 48% social and 2% religious. IMHO, anyway... :)
BB,
--==Aerosly==--
PS- Although I am a Witch, I still look forward to the Xmas season...
We usually get some beautiful snows around here, and there are plenty
of sleigh rides and cool stuff like that which one can do without
having to "believe"!
JL
rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
<snip>
I was also going to mention, it is not required that you requote
entire posts when responding, just the relevant parts to which you are
responding.
It's good netiquette!
:)
rom...@azstarnet.com
slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
*>_____________________________________________________________________________
*>Not everyone "skipped over, or used as an excuse to say "Oh,
Christmas
*>is Pagan anyways!" You seem to have totaly missed my response so I
*>have coppied it for you down below:
*If you posted it today or yesterday, I probably did miss it.
*Also, some news servers do not receive messages on the day they are
*sent and post them sometime later.
*However true it may be that you did not, I feel you missed the point
*of my post entirely (or maybe not), but you at least ignored it to
*state "Hey, I said *this*". I don't mean to attack you or sound
*harsh, so sorry if I did! :)
*I'm GLAD someone did not "validate" (even though most did).
___________________________________________________________________________
My post was on 9/7/96 if that is of any help.
I don't see how I missed the point of your post, I believe I was right
on the money. Your post is not an attactk but it sure is a maze of
statements that the sum of which makes eintirely no sense. The point
of my response was that I did not even hint at suggesting since xmas
is a Pagan holiday we should except gifts. My answer was truly a
unique one. You made somewhat of a blanket statement that this
question was skipped over by all with the reasoning that it is after
all a Pagan holiday. So how have I missed the point of your post?
rom...@azstarnet.com
slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
*<snip>
*I was also going to mention, it is not required that you requote
*entire posts when responding, just the relevant parts to which you
are
*responding.
*It's good netiquette!
* :)
___________________________________________________________________
Me thinks you are somewhat of a nik picker.
JL
rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
>I don't see how I missed the point of your post, I believe I was right
>on the money.
You were not, however.
>Your post is not an attactk but it sure is a maze of
>statements that the sum of which makes eintirely no sense.
A maze of statements?
Not from what I read of it.
>The point
>of my response was that I did not even hint at suggesting since xmas
>is a Pagan holiday we should except gifts.
That is right, but that is not what my post was even about.
Read the title. "Pagan Validation".
>My answer was truly a unique one.
>You made somewhat of a blanket statement that this
>question was skipped over by all with the reasoning that it is after
>all a Pagan holiday. So how have I missed the point of your post?
Perhaps I did make a blanket statement, but nonetheless, up until
yesterday and today, the only posts I saw were ones stating:
"Christmas is Yule" yadda, yadda, yadda "so it's okay"
INSTEAD of looking at the actual question the poster was asking: "Will
the God and Goddess be angry?"
You missed the point of my post by a mile, dear.
1> "Why do many Wiccans feel the need to validate their personal
religion within an Xtian cultural context?"
2> "Why was the question about the anger of the Gods skipped over in
most posters repsonses?"
JL
rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
>slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
>*I was also going to mention, it is not required that you requote
>*entire posts when responding, just the relevant parts to which you
>are
>*responding.
>*It's good netiquette!
>* :)
>___________________________________________________________________
>Me thinks you are somewhat of a nik picker.
No, I'm not.
1> It is good Netiquette. Ask around.
2> I just didn't need to see my ENTIRE post reprinted before my very
eyes for a response that was only relevant to a part of the post.
Methinks you are too defensive when criticized.
rom...@azstarnet.com
slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*You missed the point of my post by a mile, dear.
*1> "Why do many Wiccans feel the need to validate their personal
*religion within an Xtian cultural context?"
*2> "Why was the question about the anger of the Gods skipped over in
*most posters repsonses?"
___________________________________________________________________________
First off I am not your dear!
Secondly we are not going to agree on this so lets agree to disagree
and move on to another topic.
Don Blaheta
Quoth Oarim:
> You missed the point of my post by a mile, dear.
1) I didn't notice that this was the case. What *I* saw was a lot of
Wiccans who really didn't feel like being confrontational. If Christmas
and Yule are basically the same thing anyway, why should one feel the
need to incite problems with the Xians?
2) By pointing out that the two celebrations were compatible, they
implied that the gods wouldn't much care.
> -Oarim
Don
-=-=-=-Don Blaheta-=-=-=-bla...@quincy.edu-=-=-=-dbl...@aol.com-=-=-=-
When in panic, fear and doubt,
Drink in barrels, eat, and shout.
rom...@azstarnet.com
slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
*>slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*>*I was also going to mention, it is not required that you requote
*>*entire posts when responding, just the relevant parts to which you
*>are
*>*responding.
*>*It's good netiquette!
*>* :)
*>___________________________________________________________________
*>Me thinks you are somewhat of a nik picker.
*No, I'm not.
*1> It is good Netiquette. Ask around.
*2> I just didn't need to see my ENTIRE post reprinted before my very
*eyes for a response that was only relevant to a part of the post.
*Methinks you are too defensive when criticized.
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Methinks you are overcrticle (and please don't start on my spelling)
Dion P. Marshall
rom...@azstarnet.com wrote (of sleipnir):
: Me thinks you are somewhat of a nik picker.
That's "nit picker" ;-).
On the subject of the thread, since it is a common, but not absolute
belief, among witches and other pagans that everyone is entitled to
their own beliefs, it is only curtious to accept gifts in the spirit
in which they are intended. I can't imagine any reason for the gods
to object. I also feel free to accept blessings or "I will pray for
you." (Excepting the time that my wife's aunt said, "we'll pray every
day that you don't marry him." :) If she had ever had kids I suspect
they would have barked.)
Dion
--
"There's nothing there in the dark that isn't there in the light."
Why is that supposed to be a comforting thought?
rom...@azstarnet.com
dion.m...@pobox.com (Dion P. Marshall) wrote:
*rom...@azstarnet.com wrote (of sleipnir):
*: Me thinks you are somewhat of a nik picker.
*That's "nit picker" ;-).
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Are you telling me you don't know a typo when you see it?
JL
bla...@Shamino.quincy.edu (Don Blaheta) is rumored to have spoken
thusly:
>Quoth Oarim:
>> You missed the point of my post by a mile, dear.
>> 1> "Why do many Wiccans feel the need to validate their personal
>> religion within an Xtian cultural context?"
>> 2> "Why was the question about the anger of the Gods skipped over in
>> most posters repsonses?"
>1) I didn't notice that this was the case. What *I* saw was a lot of
>Wiccans who really didn't feel like being confrontational. If Christmas
>and Yule are basically the same thing anyway, why should one feel the
>need to incite problems with the Xians?
If this was a response to a group of Xtians, I could see your point.
However, it was a response to a newcomer in Wicca/Paganism asking
about Yule and Christmas.
I don't think we needed to preach the compatibility between the two
festivals to him instead of explaining Yule itself as a seperate
festival with it's own meaning and traditions to Pagans.
>2) By pointing out that the two celebrations were compatible, they
>implied that the gods wouldn't much care.
Ok, possibly, and perhaps likely. I, however, did not see this.
I remember when I was new to Wicca, that the Gods didn't care
(ie--hate me) and didn't throw thunder had to be pointed out to me so
I actually realized it on a concious level. I'd read it, I'd had it
said as subtext, but that never registered really.
And despite the intelligence of someone else, or their ease of
grasping it viewed in hindsight, as I always say "Better safe than
sorry."
JL
rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
<snip>
>*Methinks you are too defensive when criticized.
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>Methinks you are overcrticle (and please don't start on my spelling)
Blah, blah, blah.
(sigh)
Nevermind.
rom...@azstarnet.com
slei...@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:
*Blah, blah, blah.
*(sigh)
*Nevermind.
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Blah, blah, blah yourself.
You know when someone has nothing worthwhile to contribute when the
start picking at technicalities.
JL
rom...@azstarnet.com is rumored to have spoken thusly:
>dion.m...@pobox.com (Dion P. Marshall) wrote:
I think the smiley means he's just teasing you in a friendly manner,
not criticizing you.
Talk about over-sensitive.
Steven McDonald
Or the discussion has run out of steam or the participant has run out of
energy for discussion; one can be winnowed to the dregs in some "debates"
that are nothing but sniping matches.
Steve
--
Steven McDonald
http://www.speakingtree.com/speakingtree for The Speaking Tree Magazine
rom...@azstarnet.com wrote
Steven McDonald
Darn, you mean you're not a raving fan of Nik Kershaw?
Steve
--
Steven McDonald
http://www.speakingtree.com/speakingtree for The Speaking Tree Magazine
rom...@azstarnet.com wrote
> dion.m...@pobox.com (Dion P. Marshall) wrote:
rom...@azstarnet.com
"Steven McDonald" <JazzSt...@msn.com> wrote:
*Darn, you mean you're not a raving fan of Nik Kershaw?
*Steve
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Hmmmmmm, could be. :o)
Michael
MM,
I am puting together a file of Quotes I like. I like you tag line alot!
is it original?
If so, may I use a name for credit?
If not, do you know who said it?
Thanks! Please respond to zhou...@airmail.net
>I am the unqenchable fire, The center of all energy,
>The stout heroic heart, I am the truth and the light,
>I hold power and glory in my sway,
>My presence disperses dark clouds.
>I have been chosen to tame the Fates
>I AM THE DRAGON
Blessed Be
Michael
"A heathen conceivably, but not, I hope, an unenlightened one."
***Lord Summerisle*** ("The Wicker Man")
JL
"Steven McDonald" <JazzSt...@msn.com> is rumored to have spoken
thusly:
>Or the discussion has run out of steam or the participant has run out of
>energy for discussion; one can be winnowed to the dregs in some "debates"
>that are nothing but sniping matches.
You got it.
I've got OTHER debates to waste my time on! <g>
Blessed Be!
-Oarim
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