Seeking witch/pagan writers
The Talesin
> MM,
>
> I am seeking those that may be interested in writing reviews and
> articles on witchcraft and occult topics. This would be for The
> Grimoire, my witch/pagan/occult news and community site.
>
> We are seeking those that may wish to contribute on weekly/monthly
> basis and those that just do the occasional article.
>
> If you are interested please do contact me via the web page. Thank you
> for your interest.
>
> BB,
What's it paying?
Why do these people always assume that Pagan authors work for free?
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
"The people who read Harlequin romances dream of the love they will
never have, the people who read Pratchett dream of the Witches they
will never be." - Me
Harlequin Shadowlands
>
> What's it paying?
>
> Why do these people always assume that Pagan authors work for free?
Whos assuming? I didnt state it pays thus its pretty simple one can
deduce it does not pay. The 'payment' if your into such a thing, is the
knowledge you are helping to strenghten the community and educate people
about wicca and witchcraft practices.
To me thats worth alot more then a few bucks.
And save all your other snide remarks and 'oh look at me I am trying to
be cool' replies, if your not interested just ignore this thread and
move on. As no one really cares expect perhaps yourself.
--
Harlequin
Admin & Founder of The Grimoire
http://www.grimoire.cncdsl.com
Wicca/Witchcraft/Pagan/Paranormal News, Information & Community site.
sabby
Harlequin Shadowlands
sabby wrote:
> I'd be glad to write. What, in particular, is the site in need of?
MM sabby!
And thank you for your interest :) right now I am looking for articles
on pretty much any pagan, occult or witch type topic. Anything from
magick or tarot or runes to herbs to crystals to wicca 101 articles to
help those just getting into this path. Also some commentary or book
reviews on wicca/pagan/occult topics will be gladly accepted.
Since I just started this site a few weeks back I am looking for
anything of interest. I have peppered the site with some informaion
found here an there but would like some custom articles/reviews to give
the site its own unique flavor.
So whatever you have a interest in writing about will be gladly
accepted. As I have found in the past if you let ppl do what they have a
interest in the output is of better overall quality. :)
If you would like to chat directly my AIM is HarleMaximus or you can
email me directly through my web site. Thanks again for your interest
and I look forward to hearing from you!
BB,
turista
"Harlequin Shadowlands" <ju...@ask.org> wrote in message
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> The Talesin wrote:
> >
> > What's it paying?
> >
> > Why do these people always assume that Pagan authors work for free?
>
> Whos assuming? I didnt state it pays thus its pretty simple one can
> deduce it does not pay. The 'payment' if your into such a thing, is the
> knowledge you are helping to strenghten the community and educate people
> about wicca and witchcraft practices.
>
> To me thats worth alot more then a few bucks.
>
> And save all your other snide remarks and 'oh look at me I am trying to
> be cool' replies, if your not interested just ignore this thread and
> move on. As no one really cares expect perhaps yourself.
>
The fact that your DIDN'T state that you wanted people to give their labour
to your excruciatingly slow loading page for free would indicate to most
reasonable people that you were paying. I would say his snide remarks were
fair.
I will monitor this thread with great interest for further cool replies.
Harlequin Shadowlands
> "Harlequin Shadowlands" <ju...@ask.org> wrote in message
> news:3E2D59D2...@ask.org...
>
>>The Talesin wrote:
>>
>>>What's it paying?
>>>
>>>Why do these people always assume that Pagan authors work for free?
>>
>>Whos assuming? I didnt state it pays thus its pretty simple one can
>>deduce it does not pay. The 'payment' if your into such a thing, is the
>>knowledge you are helping to strenghten the community and educate people
>>about wicca and witchcraft practices.
>>
>>To me thats worth alot more then a few bucks.
>>
>>And save all your other snide remarks and 'oh look at me I am trying to
>>be cool' replies, if your not interested just ignore this thread and
>>move on. As no one really cares expect perhaps yourself.
>>
>
>
> The fact that your DIDN'T state that you wanted people to give their labour
> to your excruciatingly slow loading page for free would indicate to most
I am on a 1.5meg/384k connecion. The server is a 850mhz AMD with 512meg
of RAM. If its 'slow' I would suggest you point the finger at your ISP,
browser or workstation itself.
Parse Tree
But when you make money with writing, it's part of your livelihood, and
you're unlikely to give it away for free.
"Harlequin Shadowlands" <ju...@ask.org> wrote in message
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The Talesin
alt.religion.wicca
Harlequin Shadowlands <ju...@ask.org> wrote in article
>The Talesin wrote:
>>
>> What's it paying?
>>
>> Why do these people always assume that Pagan authors work for free?
>
>Whos assuming? I didnt state it pays thus its pretty simple one can
>deduce it does not pay. The 'payment' if your into such a thing, is the
>knowledge you are helping to strenghten the community and educate people
>about wicca and witchcraft practices.
Oh, it's a free education you want. Well, here is your first lesson: money
is good. Witchcraft is a craft. Do you know why it is a craft? Because
people use it to make money- always have. So you can skip the pseudo xian
altruistic bullshit.
Writing is also a craft. Now why should I use a talent (which you obviously
lack) and put forth energy for nothing in return? Just because it is a Pagan
publication? Do you ask the mechanic to fix your car for free because it is
a Pagan car or ask your doctor to treat you for free because you have a
Pagan body? Piffle.
>
>To me thats worth alot more then a few bucks.
Of course it is. You are expending no effort and getting something for free
>
>And save all your other snide remarks and 'oh look at me I am trying to
>be cool' replies, if your not interested just ignore this thread and
>move on. As no one really cares expect perhaps yourself.
I am interested. I will even offer you a reduced rate of 15 cents a word for
a feature article. Let me know if you are interested and I will contact you
direct.
THE Cast Iron Bitch
doesn't _have_ anything worthwhile to contribute; that's why he's puling and
crying about your site -- he's jealous.
"The Talesin" <the_wi...@achoo.com> wrote in message
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Phoenix
> I am on a 1.5meg/384k connecion. The server is a 850mhz AMD with 512meg
> of RAM. If its 'slow' I would suggest you point the finger at your ISP,
> browser or workstation itself.
Hmm.. it loaded real slow for me too.. I took a piss then rolled and half
smoked a cigarette before it was done.
P
Parse Tree
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It was fine for me. It didn't do it piecemeal. Just displayed all at once.
Phoenix
"Parse Tree" <pars...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
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Probably our isp server then, running slow. :-)
P
Harlequin Shadowlands
> I must admit that your site seems very impressive.
Thank you.
>
> But when you make money with writing, it's part of your livelihood, and
> you're unlikely to give it away for free.
>
Fair comment which I will reply to.
I see it this way, and certainly you are entitled to disagree. I pay
$89./month for my DSL, I also built the server which at the time cost me
about $850. (and since then upgraded the RAM and hard drive), plus
spend 1-2 hrs a day working on the site depending on my motivation
which, when I consult on the side, I would normally charge $100.+ for
that amount of time.
So those that wish to submit a article, yes are doing it for free, but I
also practice what I preach/ask. I am doing this out of a labor of love
and to help the witch/pagan community and take a hit in the wallet every
month for it.
If that's too much to ask some ppl then fine, don't submit anything, No
harm done no any hard feelings. But I am certainly not being
hypocritical asking for 'free' articles or such, As I am giving up my
fare share as well IMO.
If ppl want me to pay them, then there doing it for all the wrong
reasons in my view, and would prefer them not to submit anything. As I
am sure there are ppl out there who see it as I do. Someone giving their
time and resources to a greater cause and good for the community they
claim they belong to and wish to help.
Harlequin Shadowlands
> Don't worry about what that shitbagge "thinks" , HS... the fOt fuckwit
> doesn't _have_ anything worthwhile to contribute; that's why he's puling and
> crying about your site -- he's jealous.
>
Thank you for the support. Perhaps I will see you on the site :)
Jani
Fast enough here, but I've got a good connection. Are you on dial-up? I
haven't tried it through free.uk, got better things to do with the phone
bill *g*
Jani
Jani
a site, probably because he'd tried to get fifteen cents a word for it and
failed. Something you might look at, is emailing people who come up with
good stuff on the ngs and asking if you can add it - Daven has a very good
piece on arwm, for instance, which he's quite happy to have published
elsewhere provided it's properly attributed.
Jani
"Harlequin Shadowlands" <ju...@ask.org> wrote in message
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Parse Tree
Or you could just do what Cat does, and post people's work without their
permission. She's got a dozen or more of my posts up on her lucky mojo
site.
Sure, it's not legal, but it's unlikely that someone would sue.
"Jani" <ja...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Jani
while back, and it was pretty much c and p'd from mail, with attributions
intact.
I'm not sure how much anyone can complain, though, when they post under a
nym. If you want the anonymity, no problem. But how can you prove that
'Parse Tree' is also entitled to the copyright of 'Joe Bloggs' or whoever,
when you prefer not to admit that the two are the same?
Jani
"Parse Tree" <pars...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
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Parse Tree
different nym doesn't mean I've given up my rights regarding them.
And I don't really mind the fact that they're up. I would just prefer to be
asked, sometimes.
"Jani" <ja...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Jani
> My posts are not actually public domain. The fact that I'm posting under
a
> different nym doesn't mean I've given up my rights regarding them.
I don't know how that would work under the current legislation if you had to
prove "you" were the other "you".
>
> And I don't really mind the fact that they're up. I would just prefer to
be
> asked, sometimes.
I always ask, and I always attribute. It annoys me intensely when I find
something on the web that has no attribs, and I have to track it back to
find someone I can mail to ask "who wrote this?" and eventually get
directed to a cite.
Jani
Parse Tree
>
> "Parse Tree" <pars...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
> news:3cHX9.52107$_N5.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > My posts are not actually public domain. The fact that I'm posting
under
> a
> > different nym doesn't mean I've given up my rights regarding them.
>
> I don't know how that would work under the current legislation if you had
to
> prove "you" were the other "you".
Oh, it wouldn't be difficult at all. Access to the email account would
probably be enough.
> > And I don't really mind the fact that they're up. I would just prefer
to
> be
> > asked, sometimes.
>
> I always ask, and I always attribute. It annoys me intensely when I find
> something on the web that has no attribs, and I have to track it back to
> find someone I can mail to ask "who wrote this?" and eventually get
> directed to a cite.
Ha ha! Yes. That would be annoying.
I don't really do much research that requires citations or that ilk, but I
can see how it would be that way.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
> > Don't worry about what that shitbagge "thinks" , HS... the fOt fuckwit
> > doesn't _have_ anything worthwhile to contribute; that's why he's puling and
> > crying about your site -- he's jealous.
> >
>
> Thank you for the support. Perhaps I will see you on the site :)
>
>
Did I miss the real URL or something?
GuranGuran
<the_wi...@achoo.com> wrote:
>Harlequin Shadowlands wrote:
>> MM,
>>
>> I am seeking those that may be interested in writing reviews and
>> articles on witchcraft and occult topics. This would be for The
>> Grimoire, my witch/pagan/occult news and community site.
>>
>> We are seeking those that may wish to contribute on weekly/monthly
>> basis and those that just do the occasional article.
>>
>> If you are interested please do contact me via the web page. Thank you
>> for your interest.
>>
>> BB,
>
>What's it paying?
>
>Why do these people always assume that Pagan authors work for free?
Because they haven't got any money? Or maybe because there's more
missionary spirit in us than we like to admit.
No way am I going to spend time writing something of quality which I
won't get paid for. But if Shadowlands wants something for free, he
can google my posts and use anything he likes. If he takes the time to
tell me first. You get the quality you pay for :)
...
Phoenix
No.. cable.. normally a very fast connection. :-)
P
Jani
Well, I suppose if people have the patience to wait, Harlequin can leave it
as it is ... I don't speak geek, so I can't make any helpful suggestions :)
Jani
The Talesin
> "Parse Tree" <pars...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
> news:3cHX9.52107$_N5.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> My posts are not actually public domain. The fact that I'm posting
>> under a different nym doesn't mean I've given up my rights regarding
>> them.
>
> I don't know how that would work under the current legislation if you
> had to prove "you" were the other "you".
>
>>
>> And I don't really mind the fact that they're up. I would just
>> prefer to be asked, sometimes.
>
> I always ask, and I always attribute. It annoys me intensely when I
> find something on the web that has no attribs, and I have to track it
> back to find someone I can mail to ask "who wrote this?" and
> eventually get directed to a cite.
Then you make a footnote without a number
<snort>
The Talesin
> Parse Tree wrote:
>> I must admit that your site seems very impressive.
>
> Thank you.
>
>>
>> But when you make money with writing, it's part of your livelihood,
>> and you're unlikely to give it away for free.
>>
>
> Fair comment which I will reply to.
>
> I see it this way, and certainly you are entitled to disagree. I pay
> $89./month for my DSL, I also built the server which at the time cost
> me about $850. (and since then upgraded the RAM and hard drive),
> plus spend 1-2 hrs a day working on the site depending on my
> motivation which, when I consult on the side, I would normally charge
> $100.+ for that amount of time.
>
So? Why do we care? When you work for a company, they provide all of the
computers, copiers, etc. Do they expect you to pay them to work their?
> So those that wish to submit a article, yes are doing it for free,
> but I also practice what I preach/ask. I am doing this out of a labor
> of love and to help the witch/pagan community and take a hit in the
> wallet every month for it.
>
This is your choice. Why should anyone feel obligated to give you anything?
> If that's too much to ask some ppl then fine, don't submit anything,
> No harm done no any hard feelings. But I am certainly not being
> hypocritical asking for 'free' articles or such, As I am giving up my
> fare share as well IMO.
>
Maybe not hypocritical but you are being cheap. You want myself and other
writers to flesh out your web site with content for nothing more than a
"warm feeling inside"
> If ppl want me to pay them, then there doing it for all the wrong
> reasons in my view, and would prefer them not to submit anything. As I
> am sure there are ppl out there who see it as I do. Someone giving
> their time and resources to a greater cause and good for the
> community they claim they belong to and wish to help.
For the wrong reason! You are positively insulting! How DARE you infer that
writing is not work and that it is worthless! You come in here begging for
the fruit of our labor like some kind of UseNet homeless person and then you
insult us.
Also, I want to know how your web site is "for the good of the community".
We have Witchvox
Harlequin Shadowlands
hhmmm try again. I know the cold snap up here in the north east is
causing some head aches for my DSL ISP. Thet have had two (that I know
of) temporary service outtages due to the temp. You may have tried to
get to the page during one of those times.
Normally my ISP is reliable with excellent uptime but of course with the
temp easily below 0 for days now its understandable if its causing some
issues with the equipment here in boston.
http://www.grimoire.cncdsl.com
If you still have probs please do let me know.
Ze alluring ailurophile
>From: Harlequin Shadowlands ju...@ask.org
>Date: 1/23/2003 4:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3E306220...@ask.org>
It seems to be working just fine right now. It took about 10 seconds to load
here. I'm in the Northeast too, and this frigid weather certainly does suck.
Kat
What wouldst thou have with me? Good King of Cats, nothing, but one of your
nine lives. ~Shakespeare
Harlequin Shadowlands
> Harlequin Shadowlands wrote:
>
>>Parse Tree wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit that your site seems very impressive.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>>But when you make money with writing, it's part of your livelihood,
>>>and you're unlikely to give it away for free.
>>>
>>
>>Fair comment which I will reply to.
>>
>>I see it this way, and certainly you are entitled to disagree. I pay
>>$89./month for my DSL, I also built the server which at the time cost
>>me about $850. (and since then upgraded the RAM and hard drive),
>>plus spend 1-2 hrs a day working on the site depending on my
>>motivation which, when I consult on the side, I would normally charge
>>$100.+ for that amount of time.
>>
>
>
> So? Why do we care? When you work for a company, they provide all of the
> computers, copiers, etc. Do they expect you to pay them to work their?
I do not make income as a company does. This web page only bleeds me of
money. To infer this page is the same as a company is foolish. A company
either gets donations and/or is for profit, either way they take in
money to cover the expensis of the PC and such you use. I do not.
Thus your analogy is far from the mark and laughable.
>
>
>
>>So those that wish to submit a article, yes are doing it for free,
>>but I also practice what I preach/ask. I am doing this out of a labor
>>of love and to help the witch/pagan community and take a hit in the
>>wallet every month for it.
>>
>
>
> This is your choice. Why should anyone feel obligated to give you anything?
I am not holding a gun to anyones head nor even imply you should feel
obligated. I said quit clearly if your not interested then skip this
thread and move on. No harm, no hard feelings either way.
>
>
>
>>If that's too much to ask some ppl then fine, don't submit anything,
>>No harm done no any hard feelings. But I am certainly not being
>>hypocritical asking for 'free' articles or such, As I am giving up my
>>fare share as well IMO.
>>
>
>
> Maybe not hypocritical but you are being cheap. You want myself and other
> writers to flesh out your web site with content for nothing more than a
> "warm feeling inside"
Yes, its called being a kind/generous person. Perhaps you missed that
implication.
>
>
>>If ppl want me to pay them, then there doing it for all the wrong
>>reasons in my view, and would prefer them not to submit anything. As I
>>am sure there are ppl out there who see it as I do. Someone giving
>>their time and resources to a greater cause and good for the
>>community they claim they belong to and wish to help.
>
>
> For the wrong reason! You are positively insulting! How DARE you infer that
> writing is not work and that it is worthless! You come in here begging for
> the fruit of our labor like some kind of UseNet homeless person and then you
> insult us.
I did not infer or imply that at all. How you come to that is beyond me.
re-read my post.
> Also, I want to know how your web site is "for the good of the community".
If I need to explain it to you then its fruitless to try. Have someone
with more patience and time to hand hold you do it. If you noticed your
the only person that needed to ask this question. That should make you
wonder.
> We have Witchvox
Then go there. *shrugs* I offer certain things they do not.
>
> "The people who read Harlequin romances dream of the love they will
> never have, the people who read Pratchett dream of the Witches they
> will never be." - Me
*chuckle* like your the first ignorant person to rib me about my handle.
grow up. And while your at it look up the orginial meaning of the word
(one who is in utter dispair and joy at the same time), as thats the
context I use it.
:)
Harlequin Shadowlands
Its been sluggish all day... normally its much more speedy. But I'll
take sluggish then outtage though :)
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
wrote:
[...]
>>Whos assuming? I didnt state it pays thus its pretty simple one can
>>deduce it does not pay. The 'payment' if your into such a thing, is the
>>knowledge you are helping to strenghten the community and educate people
>>about wicca and witchcraft practices.
[...]
> Writing is also a craft. Now why should I use a talent (which you obviously
> lack) and put forth energy for nothing in return?
They get the use of his bandwidth and his time as a sysadmin.
> Just because it is a Pagan
> publication? Do you ask the mechanic to fix your car for free because it is
> a Pagan car or ask your doctor to treat you for free because you have a
> Pagan body? Piffle.
Or a computer programer to give you an operating system for free.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
Tam
singers? The difficulty of course, would be in proving you wrote it.
I once read a book that was full of attributed quotations and I tried to
follow-up on one for the context. I couldn't find it for the author
attributed or anyone else. I ended up writing to the author and he
wrote back to apologize. Apparently an editor was in charge of the
quotes and she didn't leave her notes, now works somewhere else, and he
had no idea where she got the quote. It may be right, just because I
couldn't find it doesn't mean she made a mistake. But I still have the
letter. <g>
Tam
Jani
original author. Best option is to attrib to 'author unknown' or 'author not
available' and then cite in as much detail as possible where the quote came
from. Luckily most research studies in journals spend so much time listing
the authors' names and current academic location, not to mention incredibly
long titles for the study, that it almost takes up more room on the page
than the abstract ;)
Jani
"Tam" <mapl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Aetyr
of polis has died throughout our entire society. Our only common
cultural indicator is whether it is profitable or not. This
attitude signals the death of any society, whether secular or
religious.
I applaud your sacrifice.
Pipnews:3E2F1A6D...@ask.org...
Harlequin Shadowlands
> There is something attractive about a public service, the sense
> of polis has died throughout our entire society. Our only common
> cultural indicator is whether it is profitable or not. This
> attitude signals the death of any society, whether secular or
> religious.
> I applaud your sacrifice.
> Pip
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
Harlequin Shadowlands
Alexandrian/Gardnerian: To reveal this would be to break my oath of
secrecy. I can say, though, that it really is an ancient rite, dating
far back in time, back even before 1951, and I have learned it from an
unbroken lineage. As Gerald said, it takes a chicken to make an egg.
Asatru: First, we don't believe in a "One Chicken" or a "Hen and
Rooster." We believe in many chickens. Second, "crossing the road" is
part of the three levels, or worlds, and the chicken simply crossed from
one level to another. Hail to the Chickens!
British Traditional: The word "chicken" comes from a very specific Old
English word ("gechekken"), and it only properly applies to certain fowl
of East Anglia or those descended therefrom. As for the rest, I suppose
they are doing something remotely similar to crossing the road, but you
must remember that traditional roads are not to be confused with the
modern roads....
Celtic: In County Feedbeygohn on Midsummer's day, there is still
practiced St. Henny's Dance, which is a survival of the old pagan
Chicken Crossing fertility rite. Today, modern pagans are reviving the
practice, dedicated to the Hen and the Green Rooster.
Ceremonial: "Crossing the road" is a phrase that summarizes many magical
structures erected and timed by the chicken to produce the energy
necessary for the intention of the travel across the road. For example,
the astrological correspondences had to be correct, the moon had to be
waxing (if the chicken intended to come to the other side of the road)
or waning (if the chicken intended to flee to the other side of the
road), and the chicken had to prepare herself through fasting and proper
incantations. Note: certain forms of invocation (summoning an egg
*inside* your chicken self) can produce abnormal or even dangerous eggs
and should only be conducted inside a properly erected barnyard....
Chaos: Thinking in terms of "roads" and "crossings" is simply looking at
the formal, typically perceived structure of chicken crossing
space-time. We, instead, focus on the possibility of chicken crossing
itself; what appears to be a random act is thus actually the norm--it is
the road which is the freak of chance. Indeed, quantum mechanics now
demonstrates what we knew all along: two roads can simultaneously exist
in the same place at the same time. Thus, by attuning ourselves to the
dynamic energy (called "crossing"), we can manifest the road. Of course,
to the knowledgeable, this appears as a chicken crossing the road.
Dianic: The chykyn ("chicken" is term of patriarchal oppression) sought
to reclaim for herself the right to be on the other side of the road,
after it had been denied to her for centuries. By doing so, she
reawakened the power of the Hen within herself.
Discordian: cock-a-doodle-doo!!!
Druid: To get to the sacred grove, of course! Keep in mind that 99% of
everything written about chickens-crossing-the-road is pure hogwash,
based on biased sources. Yes, there were a few unfortunate chicken
sacrifices in the past, but that is over now...
Eclectic: Because it seemed right to her at the time. She used some
Egyptian style corn and a Celtic sounding word for the road and
incorporated some Native American elements into her Corn-name,
Chicken-Who-Dances-and-Runs-with-the-Wolves.
Faery: In twilight times and under sparkling stars, those properly
trained can still see the chickens crossing the roads. Reconnecting with
these "fey-fowl" as they cross is crucial to restoring the balance
between the energies of modern development and living with the earth.
Family Traditional: Growing up, we didn't think much about "crossing the
road". A chicken was a chicken. It crossed the road because that was
what worked to get her to the other side. We focused on what worked, and
we worked more with the elders of the barnyard and less with all this
"guardians of the chickencoop" business. We didn't get our concepts of
"chickens" or "the other side" from Gardner, either. You can choose not
to believe us since we did not "scratch down" on paper what was clucked
to us orally (which, at certain times in history, was the only way to
avoid becoming Easter chicken soup!), but that doesn't change the facts:
there were real chickens, and they really did cross the road!
Kitchen Witch: The chicken crossed the road to get food, to get a
rooster, or to get away from me after I decided to have chicken for
supper!
Left Hand Path: White, fluffy chickens prancing across the road! Do you
think that is all there is to crossing the road? Do you dare to know the
dark side of crossing the road and the other path to self-development?
New Age: The chicken crossed the road because she chose this as one her
lessons to learn in this life. Besides, there was so much incense and
bright, white corn to explore on the Other Side.
Posting on an Online Discussion Group: What do you mean "why did the
chicken cross the road?"???!!!??? Haven't you read **any** of the
previous posts? We've been [expletive deleted] debating every word of
that question, painstakingly trying to come to some kind of answer. I
know you wrote "all i wanted to know was why chickens cross the road,
i'm not looking for any chicken spells" but I'm fed up with newbies who
can't even bother to REEEEEEEEAAADDD the posts on that very topic! No,
this is *not* a flame. But, I and several others here have the
*maturity* to properly explore and respond to this question, and we were
properly trained; we *didn't* just read a book and think we were
full-fledged chickens. (whew, feeling much better after ranting)
Reclaiming: "Didn't we settle this in the November meeting?"...."Yeah,
why do we have to keep revisiting consensus all the time?"...."Actually,
in November we decided that the chicken did cross the road, but we ran
out of time for why."...."Well, I think the chicken came before the
egg."...."Can we stick to the point here!? Was it a free-range chicken,
or did it escape from one of those awful factory farms?"...."O.K.,
everybody -- breathe. Remember that we're here for all the
chickens."...."
_________________
I thought this would put a smile on everyones face. If we cant laugh at
ourselves then our existence is indeed bleek IMO.
The Talesin
Exactly
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
"The people who read Harlequin romances dream of the love they will
never have, the people who read Pratchett dream of the Witches they
will never be." - Me
The Talesin
> The Talesin wrote:
>> Harlequin Shadowlands wrote:
>>
>>> Parse Tree wrote:
>>>
>>>> I must admit that your site seems very impressive.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>> But when you make money with writing, it's part of your livelihood,
>>>> and you're unlikely to give it away for free.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fair comment which I will reply to.
>>>
>>> I see it this way, and certainly you are entitled to disagree. I pay
>>> $89./month for my DSL, I also built the server which at the time
>>> cost me about $850. (and since then upgraded the RAM and hard
>>> drive), plus spend 1-2 hrs a day working on the site depending on my
>>> motivation which, when I consult on the side, I would normally
>>> charge $100.+ for that amount of time.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So? Why do we care? When you work for a company, they provide all of
>> the computers, copiers, etc. Do they expect you to pay them to work
>> their?
>
> I do not make income as a company does. This web page only bleeds me
> of money. To infer this page is the same as a company is foolish. A
> company either gets donations and/or is for profit, either way they
> take in money to cover the expensis of the PC and such you use. I do
> not.
>
> Thus your analogy is far from the mark and laughable.
Actually, without your ridiculous stretching of it, it is right on the mark.
You are asking me to do work for you free on the basis that you are
providing the computer space. Whatever your sense of altruism lead you to do
is fine, but you don't see any other "charity" getting labor for free.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> So those that wish to submit a article, yes are doing it for free,
>>> but I also practice what I preach/ask. I am doing this out of a
>>> labor of love and to help the witch/pagan community and take a hit
>>> in the wallet every month for it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is your choice. Why should anyone feel obligated to give you
>> anything?
>
> I am not holding a gun to anyones head nor even imply you should feel
> obligated. I said quit clearly if your not interested then skip this
> thread and move on. No harm, no hard feelings either way.
Actually you are implying that very thing. Because you made the "sacrifice"
of putting up a web page, you think we writers should be guilted into giving
you our work for free.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> If that's too much to ask some ppl then fine, don't submit anything,
>>> No harm done no any hard feelings. But I am certainly not being
>>> hypocritical asking for 'free' articles or such, As I am giving up
>>> my fare share as well IMO.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe not hypocritical but you are being cheap. You want myself and
>> other writers to flesh out your web site with content for nothing
>> more than a "warm feeling inside"
>
> Yes, its called being a kind/generous person. Perhaps you missed that
> implication.
I heard you crowing about it. Personally, it has no appeal
>
>>
>>
>>> If ppl want me to pay them, then there doing it for all the wrong
>>> reasons in my view, and would prefer them not to submit anything.
>>> As I am sure there are ppl out there who see it as I do. Someone
>>> giving their time and resources to a greater cause and good for the
>>> community they claim they belong to and wish to help.
>>
>>
>> For the wrong reason! You are positively insulting! How DARE you
>> infer that writing is not work and that it is worthless! You come in
>> here begging for the fruit of our labor like some kind of UseNet
>> homeless person and then you insult us.
>
> I did not infer or imply that at all. How you come to that is beyond
> me. re-read my post.
"If people wane me to pay them, they are doing it for the *wrong* reasons".
>
>> Also, I want to know how your web site is "for the good of the
>> community".
>
> If I need to explain it to you then its fruitless to try. Have someone
> with more patience and time to hand hold you do it. If you noticed
> your the only person that needed to ask this question. That should
> make you wonder.
>
> > We have Witchvox
>
> Then go there. *shrugs* I offer certain things they do not.
>
Which brings us back to my question. Why are you good for the community when
we already have such a resource?
>>
>> "The people who read Harlequin romances dream of the love they will
>> never have, the people who read Pratchett dream of the Witches they
>> will never be." - Me
>
> *chuckle* like your the first ignorant person to rib me about my
> handle. grow up. And while your at it look up the orginial meaning of
> the word (one who is in utter dispair and joy at the same time), as
> thats the context I use it.
Actually this has nothing to do with you. It is a quote from myself I made a
while back. A little research would show I have been using it a lot longer
than I have been talking to you.
BTW, just for the record, for the past seven years I have been a contributor
both to a quarterly Pagan magazine and a monthly news letter published by a
local group. I do the work gratis. Do you know why? Because we are part of
the same Community. I put in my efforts, I put in mine, and everyone
benefits. Now you are asking me for my effort, what am I getting for it?
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
"The people who read Harlequin romances dream of the love they will
never have, the people who read Pratchett dream of the Witches they
will never be." - Me
http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft
The Talesin
> THE Cast Iron Bitch wrote:
>> Don't worry about what that shitbagge "thinks" , HS... the fOt
>> fuckwit doesn't _have_ anything worthwhile to contribute; that's why
>> he's puling and crying about your site -- he's jealous.
>>
>
> Thank you for the support. Perhaps I will see you on the site :)
Oh yeah. Ms Trailer Park English here would be a great addition, and well
worth what you are willing to pay her
The Talesin
> He seems to be working just fine right now. It took about 10 seconds
> for him to shoot his load. I'm in the Northeast too, and I am so frigid
> I certainly don't suck.
>
>
> Kat
You are an insult to womanhood
Jani
'consensus' version is particularly apposite over here *chuckle*
Jani
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Harlequin Shadowlands
*snip*
I see no reason to continue this, no matter what I say you going to
split hairs and find things to whine and cry about. I have meet ppl like
you before and on the web frankly, not worth any more of my time.
farewell,
Ze alluring ailurophile
>From: "The Talesin" the_wi...@achoo.com
>Date: 1/25/2003 12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <y1AY9.58665$Gm2.1316559@twist
>You are an insult to womanhood
>
>
>--
>Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
>
>"The people who read Harlequin romances dream of the love they will
>never have, the people who read Pratchett dream of the Witches they
>will never be." - Me
>
>http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft
>
>
What wouldst thou have with me? Good King of Cats, nothing, but one of your
nine lives. ~Shakespeare
Ze alluring ailurophile
>From: "The Talesin" the_wi...@achoo.com
>Date: 1/25/2003 12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
>
>Ze alluring ailurophile wrote:
>
>> He seems to be working just fine right now. It took about 10 seconds
>> for him to shoot his load. I'm in the Northeast too, and I am so frigid
>> I certainly don't suck.
>>
>>
>> Kat
>
>You are an insult to womanhood
>
>
>--
>Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
>
Augustus!! Save some room for later!
Parse Tree
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Jani
mathematicism, you'll just have to start it yourself. And bring your own
chicken :)
Jani
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describe themselves as either pagan or neo, anyway.
Jani
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> They're *pagan* chickens, Parse. If you want an ancient lineage of rational
> mathematicism, you'll just have to start it yourself. And bring your own
> chicken :)
With regards to mathematicism, does anyone have any good infomation
about the Pythagorean cult? The things that I know of them are what
everyone "knows". And I'm not even sure that its even correct.
* That they where the first to use the Pentigram as a sacret symbole
* That they beleaved that all of the world could be expressed using
ratitional numbers.
* That they self destructed in a rather nasty way when someone proved
that the square root of two wasn't rational.
But appart from that I haven't heard anything else about them.
Tam
than to just pile things up. And people don't notice clean closets.
<sigh>
Tam
Tam
Thank you so much.
Tam
Tam
other side ...
Tam
Gmanus Rex
Do not feed uber trolls
On 25 Jan 2003 19:46:54 GMT, Harlequin Shadowlands <ju...@ask.org>
wrote:
>The Talesin wrote:
>*snip*
>
>I see no reason to continue this, no matter what I say you going to
>split hairs and find things to whine and cry about. I have meet ppl like
>you before and on the web frankly, not worth any more of my time.
>
>farewell,
Gman
Good artists borrow, Great artists steal......
- Pablo Picasso
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
the_wi...@achoo.com
> > The Talesin wrote:
>
> >
> >> Also, I want to know how your web site is "for the good of the
> >> community".
> >
> > If I need to explain it to you then its fruitless to try. Have someone
> > with more patience and time to hand hold you do it. If you noticed
> > your the only person that needed to ask this question. That should
> > make you wonder.
> >
> > > We have Witchvox
> >
> > Then go there. *shrugs* I offer certain things they do not.
> >
>
witchvox's self-promotional ego rantings.
Nice site.
THE Cast Iron Bitch
having to resort to plagarism. It's like his schitzoid rant abuot the ARW
photo gallery. He crams his foot in his ass and waddles around screaming
about it because he doesn't want everyone to see his fOtos, and know he is
the same fat slob depicted in pics posted by his alleged wife -- one that
nobody hears from, I might add.
--
"Humpty fOt sat on a wall;
Humpty fOt took a bigass fall;
None of the witches, nor even one wikkin,
Gave a crap about humpty fot ever again..."
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
venture it end up as asphalt pancake. So it walks down to the pedestrian
overpass bridge! >;D
[your joke was cute and welcomed, and I swiped it for my personal joke file,
next to the lightbulb one]
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took: Seven. One to do the job, two to form the creche, and three to debate
the meaning of the word "unscrew" .... ;D
THE Cast Iron Bitch
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
itself.
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The Talesin
> The Talesin wrote:
> *snip*
>
> I see no reason to continue this, no matter what I say you going to
> split hairs and find things to whine and cry about. I have meet ppl
> like you before and on the web frankly, not worth any more of my time.
>
> farewell,
In other words, you cannot justify expecting people do work for you for free
so you are conveniently bowing out.
Gargoyle
avoids the boneless chicken ranch, too.
Gargoyle, The Evil Mr. Peanut - >;[-~~~~~
Gargoyle
Gargoyle
hon! Ewwwwwww!
THE Cast Iron Bitch
taters? hm......
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Harlequin Shadowlands
> See what I mean, HS? He's so jealous it's almost become an entity unto
> itself.
Nothing to loose any sleep over. Just one of the many lamer 'wanna be's'
I have encountered in my 16 yrs of being online. :)
I got a chuckle at his self proclaimed title 'bad boy of witchcraft'.
Hes 'bad' alright, bad at debate and prob wc amoung other things I would
imagine.
Tam
Tam
THE Cast Iron Bitch wrote:
>
Tam
Tam
THE Cast Iron Bitch wrote:
>
Tam
Tam
THE Cast Iron Bitch wrote:
>
Gargoyle
baked or fried, and scalloped taters if the chicken is bbq'd. :)
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:41:26 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
THE Cast Iron Bitch
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Colonel Sanders!" ;D
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Tam
Tam
Gargoyle
did you have? And, how was it cooked? What brand was it? Tonight (tuesday)
was DiGornio night! Tomorrow night, too (left-overs)!
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:54:50 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
Gargoyle
you were any closer than six feet, that's cheating and you don't win a
prize!
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:54:04 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
THE Cast Iron Bitch
Gargy! ;] We got a big bag of bonless chicken breast for cheap, so whether
we feel like chicken tonight, we're having it anyway, all week.... We eat
it more than other meats at any rate.
.
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gets my bidness. Sometimes leg quarters for the grill. I made chicken and
pepper hero sammiches last night. They're kinda sorta almost like
Quizno's -- hot and toasty, lotsa veggies; I like using olive oil
vinaigrette instead of mayo. I'm tryin' to get the family to eat more fresh
fish, but it's expensive for the kind that's worth eating. I don't often
have with that fish stik crap, unless they're cut from whole filets.
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
he was alive and the integrity of his recipes was maintained.
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Gargoyle
chicken? Is it dead or living chicken? Fresh chicken? (That's chicken that
leers at you and makes sexual innuendos). Generally, I just buy the store
brand when on sale. Usually, whole chicken, but sometimes just chicken
parts like boneless breast that come from the boneless chicken farms. Those
I often either just bake, grill, or slice up thin and use them in stirfry.
Yeah, olive oil or my favorite with chicken... sesame seed oil. Fish....
blech! Except Gorton's Fish Sticks! I like those! hehehe
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:13:58 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
Gargoyle
not burger) more than I did chicken. But, last year, I found myself eating
chicken as much or more than beef. Yummmm..... chikkin bbq with scalloped
taters! I wanna be at your house!
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:08:58 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
Gargoyle
you know.
Gargoyle
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:09:24 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
Gargoyle
eating the Col. hehehe
Gmanus Rex
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:39:33 -0800, Gargoyle <ga...@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Gmanus Rex
Yes I am evil. So what?
THE Cast Iron Bitch
THE Cast Iron Bitch
breakfast!The final installment of chikkin dinner will be a nice stew. I
always have to take a family poll when they come home -- 'Dumplings or No
Dumplings?' The pros and cons are debated, a vote taken. My dumplin's are
the big, soft, fluffy, biscuit - ey type, not the nasty, mushy noodle - ey
sort.
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
out, sneezing. Demon snot stains walls. =[ We painted it over; which oddly
makes me miss him even more!
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wholesome and 'proper', I'll take it. You need to eat fish! Even if et just
twice a month, it lowers the risk of heart attack and stroke. Wills is that
way, too. He likes those useless stik fish, and is less enthusiastic of
fresh filets. He seems to be disturbed by their un - breadedness.... 9_9
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right, he'd chew their asses!
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Phoenix
(o) ,,(0) ... hehehe... I hase speawed one..
=///==\\\========(fwuffy dumplin==>
P
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separately, as ordinary biscuit, and use 'em for dipping in the gravy ;)
Jani
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Gmanus Rex
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<pis...@ecpi.com> wrote:
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
'nightwish', capitalizing the B in Bitch... ;D
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It's really tricky. The dumpling recipe is a couple TB's of butter, 1 TB. of
baking powder, and a cup plus about one quarter to one third c. flour --cut
'em in together. Then add one glorp of milk, to make a stiff drop biscuit
dough. You'll know it's right for dumplings or drop biscuits if the dough is
fluffy as you drop it in the stew. The Best Ever biscuits are better for
baking as regular biscuits...
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