hechizos
terra
concreto sobre magia blanca
Jackdaw
"terra" <brux...@terra.es> wrote in message
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> hola me gustaria hablar con gente en caastellano sobre este tema, en
> concreto sobre magia blanca
>
?
Cornish Jackdaw
Collector of facts, trivia & bright twinkly things.
And skulls and bizzare items and.............
Greenbanks
>concreto sobre magia blanca
Hello, I would like to speak with people in Castellano (Spanish) about this
topic, (concrete?) about white magic.
(sorry, that's the best I can do - but it's better than the online translator I
tried)
Greenbanks
>concreto sobre magia blanca
Oh, I forgot -- the subject line is "charms".
Brian Garrett
Jackdaw <di...@jackdawcrafts.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Or in this case, ¿ ?
My Spanish is pretty rusty, but I think this person wants to locate witches
in Castellano to talk with them about white magic. Como siempre,
http://www.witchvox.com tiene todo lo que busca. (That's supposed to say
"as always, witchvox has everything you're looking for." Then again, I may
have just ordered the enchilada combo platter again.)
Brian
Ventana
> concreto sobre magia blanca
>
The translate feature of altavista.com came up with this:
Subject: "Spells"
"hello gustaria to speak to me with people in caastellano on this subject,
concrete on white magic"
I gather Caastellano is in Spain. Me no speek-eh Spanish....maybe one of
the NG subscribers can respond or actually lives in Spain.
-V
Ventana
"Brian Garrett" <mgy...@home.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Then again, I may
> have just ordered the enchilada combo platter again.)
Want guacamole and sour cream with that?
-V
Synnoveah J Cooke
wrote:
Yum..care to share?
~*~
Synn
~*~
The art of thinking
Is one I have not mastered
So I contemplate
Forever watching
For that one moment in time
That I would then Know.
~*~
Jackdaw
"Greenbanks" <green...@aol.commonsense> wrote in message
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the Spanish Mediterranean coastline.
And still growing!
--
Fred
>Subject: "Spells"
>
>"hello gustaria to speak to me with people in caastellano on this subject,
>concrete on white magic"
>
>I gather Caastellano is in Spain. Me no speek-eh Spanish....maybe one of
>the NG subscribers can respond or actually lives in Spain.
>
>-V
>
Caastellano is a dialect of Spanish spoken in Northern Spain where they have probably
never even heard of Mexican foods like Enchaladas or Guacamole. "Me no speek-eh"??,
grow up people. Sometimes it really amazes me how ignorant and insensitive a group of
people who should really know better concidering their religious beliefs, can be. Making
culturally biased jokes when someone askes a serious question in their native language is
pretty sad coming from supposedly "enlightened" people.
Brian Garrett
Fred <frgo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:90F6709BEc...@194.109.6.74...
Speaking for myself, and FWIW, I was poking fun at my *own* ignorance. The
original post expressed no ignorance.
I am aware that the original post came from Spain and not the Americas; this
was evident from both the reference to Castellano and the .es at the end of
the poster's address. Unfortunately my (lack of) knowledge of the language
allowed me the ability to direct him/her to Witchvox, and little else.
Brian
who makes no claim to enlightenment, either.
Baird Stafford
> hola me gustaria hablar con gente en caastellano sobre este tema, en
> concreto sobre magia blanca
Hace ya mas que treinta anos desde que lo había estudiado. He olvidado
todos los conjugaciones....
Blessed be,
Baird
Baird Stafford
<snip>
> Caastellano is a dialect of Spanish spoken in Northern Spain....
Castellano is the dialect of Castile, the royal Capital of Spain, and is
the Spanish equivalent of "The Queen's English." It's the language of
academia, and the dialect learned by people who must converse with other
speakers of Spanish - both on the Iberian Peninsula and in the Americas.
> "Me no speek-eh"??, grow up people. Sometimes it really amazes me how
> ignorant and insensitive a group of people who should really know better
> concidering their religious beliefs, can be. Making culturally biased
> jokes when someone askes a serious question in their native language is
> pretty sad coming from supposedly "enlightened" people.
I'm sorry the article containing this particular derogation did not
reach my server. Discussion among the membership of arwm some time ago
set the policy that we do accept articles not in English, and that they
are to receive the same respect that articles that *are* written in
English get. Again, this was a decision of the membership and NOT of
Modstaff, and should be respected as such.
To find that policy being violated in this matter annoys me to no little
extent.
Blessed be,
Baird
Baird Stafford
> >hola me gustaria hablar con gente en caastellano sobre este tema, en
> >concreto sobre magia blanca
> Hello, I would like to speak with people in Castellano (Spanish) about this
> topic, (concrete?) about white magic.
I would suggest "specifically" as an interpretation (not a
translation!).
Blessed be,
Baird
Baird Stafford
<snip>
> I gather Caastellano is in Spain. Me no speek-eh Spanish....maybe one of
> the NG subscribers can respond or actually lives in Spain.
A year or so ago, the membership of arwm (NOT Modstaff) decided that
articles written in languages other than English are to be received with
the same respect as those that *are* written in English.
The line cited above is contrary to that policy.
Blessed be,
Baird
Ventana
For clarification sake, I intended no disrespect towards the poster, Terra.
I hope he/she finds what they are looking for.
-V
La Mandragola
<Vzmc7.227282$v5.23...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>:
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Politicians aren't born, they are excreted. (Cicero)
Did he really say that ???????? Source? Can I steal it? Pretty please?
--
"Fiddling with this
And that technique
Is of no avail.
Simply act decisively
Without reserve!"
Morihei Ueshiba
If it isn't obvious to you how to correct my e-mail address, please don't.
April Rayne
"Me no speek-eh"??, (quote from Ventana)
> > grow up people. Sometimes it really amazes me how ignorant and
>>insensitive a group of people who should really know better concidering
>>their religious beliefs, can be. Making culturally biased jokes when
>>someone askes a serious question in their native language is
> > pretty sad coming from supposedly "enlightened" people.
To which Frenchy responded
> Oh c'mon, hon, we're equal-opportunity brats here...we make fun of
> *everyone*, *regardless* of race, creed, national origin or sexual
> preference! Why should we exempt the Spanish? What's so special about
> *them*?
Sorry old thing but I simply don't agree with you period(few of us are brats
for a start<g>)nine times out of ten the majority of us veer towards taking
newcomers questions seriously and responding in like vane (as Ventana does).
You would have been more than a little dis-enchanted had anyone picked up
on and made fun of elderly sick cats for instance.
> I don't think anyone was trying to be racially insensitive. We *always*
> make jokes when someone posts in another language here.
I agree with the first bit but not the second. I'd change that to *one or
two of us* rather than we.
>Usually anyone else who *does* share the language posts back.
True and several actually took the trouble to get a translation rather than
simply ignore the poster which is more how I believe we are than the picture
Frenchy has painted.
> It's my personal opinion that we should really make fun of EVERYONE until
> morale improves. ;)
Oh great :-(
April R
macgi...@bluefrognet.net
>
> What was so derogatory about the "me-no-speekeh" line?
IMO, I thought the person who said this was making fun of themselves.......
MacGillEoin
>
> Frenchy, who could break out in pidgin Spanish if not properly contained!
> ;)
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> Robert X. Cringely, 'Why Internet Security is an Oxymoron'
> ------------------------------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------------------------------------
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Gale
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:yes
>
><snip>
>It's my personal opinion that we should really make fun of EVERYONE until
>morale improves. ;)
<Shaking fist> Frenchy, while you are welcome to make fun of me, I must
again ask that in your future imaginative excursions you clad me in
something other than black with white polka-dots. ;-)
Blessed Be,
Gale
(in khaki workshirt and blue jeans)
modstaff alt.religion.wicca.moderated
original Tarot, poetry, fiction at
http://www.capstonebeads.com/Magick.html
Synnoveah J Cooke
And me too..just don't put me in the pink..<g>..workhshirt and blue
jeans eh? Sounds good.
Susan Martinez
terra wrote in message <9kln26$2ha$1...@talia.mad.ttd.net>...
>hola me gustaria hablar con gente en caastellano sobre este tema, en
>concreto sobre magia blanca
Vale. Le voy mandar una respuesta en seria. Me llamo "Silvermoon", y si
usted quiere conversar con alguien sobre la* magia blanca *esta bien, hablo
y escribo espanol. No se exactamente que es lo que usted quiere conversar /
o aprender. Pero yo con much gusto intentare contestar sus preguntas.
Bendicion,
Silvermoon
Ok, I am going to give you a serious resonse ( to your post). My name is
Silvermoon, and if you would like to speak with someone about " white
magick", that's fine I speak & write Spanish. I am not sure what it is that
you would like to discuss or learn exactly, but I will try to answer your
questions.
Blessings,
Silvermoon.
Baird Stafford
<snip>
> Oh c'mon, hon, we're equal-opportunity brats here...we make fun of
> *everyone*, *regardless* of race, creed, national origin or sexual
> preference! Why should we exempt the Spanish? What's so special about
> *them*?
Unfortunately, a resort to pidgin implies (heavily) an opinion on the
part of the writer that the reader is intellectually incapable of
understanding the parent language; it is, in effect, "talking down" to
the reader.
> I don't think anyone was trying to be racially insensitive. We *always*
> make jokes when someone posts in another language here. Usually anyone else
> who *does* share the language posts back.
But we *don't* always resort to pidgin English to do it. It wasn't the
concept of joking to which I took exception - it was the *kind* of joke
employed.
<snip>
Blessed be,
Baird
--
Modkin for soc.religion.paganism,
Modstaff for alt.religion.wicca.moderated
Like science fiction and fantasy fiction? Read my reviews at
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Brian Garrett
Baird Stafford <ba...@newstaff.com> wrote in message
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> Frenchy <fre...@spam-me-not.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Oh c'mon, hon, we're equal-opportunity brats here...we make fun of
> > *everyone*, *regardless* of race, creed, national origin or sexual
> > preference! Why should we exempt the Spanish? What's so special about
> > *them*?
>
> Unfortunately, a resort to pidgin implies (heavily) an opinion on the
> part of the writer that the reader is intellectually incapable of
> understanding the parent language; it is, in effect, "talking down" to
> the reader.
>
But it was obvious to me from the context that she was poking fun at her own
lack of understanding, not the poster's. Maybe ignorance isn't something
that should be joked about, even one's own.
Causing offense is always a risk when one engages in the use of humor, and
for every joke that's told, there's *someone* who's going to be offended by
it. (That's why I like "South Park"--they really *do* offend everyone
equally. Whatever your sacred cow is, they'll make hamburger of it.) I'm
all for sensitivity to other cultures, but not at the price losing our
collective sense of humor.
BB,
Brian
Shez
<fre...@spam-me-not.com> writes
> I'm all for cultural
>sensitivity, but I don't see why we can't have a go at each other every now
>and then in the spirit of good fun - which is all that Ventana meant by her
>remark. Criminy, you people didn't get *half* so self-righteous when I
>flamed British cuisine a few months ago!
That's because we Brits knew you didn't know any Better, (grin)
But I agree with you, it seems to me be making a mountain out of a mole
hill.
I don't think for a moment that any offence was intended.
--
Shez, the Old Craft lady sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk
www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/
Leotine
>Oh c'mon, hon, we're equal-opportunity brats here...we make fun of
>*everyone*, *regardless* of race, creed, national origin or sexual
>preference!
"No-speka-da-English" is what I say to Tax Inspectors, that and a lot
of Que? and always sign forms with "X".
>I don't think anyone was trying to be racially insensitive.
The (now what is the politically correct word to use?) natives of
colonized countries are now very sensitive to terms the imperial
powers used to describe them. Many years ago Robinson's - a jam
manufacturer - had to stop using their "Golliwog" logo and I don't
think you can find a "Golly" in a toy shop any more.
>It's my personal opinion that we should really make fun of EVERYONE until
>morale improves. ;)
I keep reading that as "more ale arrives". Then we can really take the
piss out of them !
Oh horrors, how can you be so derogatory! It is only a little step
from using abusive words and slights to ethinic cleansing. Then again
(I'm in Libra mode), it is human nature to form tribal groups and
denigrate those not part of the group.
and that is all this posh pommie toff with a plum in his mouth will
say on that subject.
Leotine
Brian Garrett
Frenchy <fre...@spam-me-not.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive:yes
>
> <circumsnip>
> I figure the "Timmy" shows must have enraged the handicapped-rights set to
> no end. It reminded me of an excellent rant by John Callahan in his book,
> "Don't Worry, He Won't Get Far On Foot," the cover of which featured one
of
> his cartoons, a sheriff's posse in the desert looking at an empty
wheelchair
> and the tracks of someone having crawled away. He did all kinds of
cartoons
> like this for various national magazines...I remember one in which a
> bartender is refusing a drink to a man with hooks for hands and saying,
"I'm
> sorry, but you just can't hold your drinks." Apparently, Callahan used to
> get the most glorious hate mail from non-handicapped people who reamed him
a
> new you-know-what for daring to have a laugh at handicapped people. They
> didn't realize he was a quadriplegic himself, which is how he got the idea
> for the posse in the desert, obviously. He went on at length about how
> these people meant well, but they weren't handicapped and they really
didn't
> know what the hell they were talking about and they had no freaking CLUE
> what it was like to be freaking handicapped, and excuse the hell out of me
> if I use humor to deal with my physical problems, and oh by the way I get
a
> lot of supportive mail from handicapped people who think my cartoons are
> fuckin' hysterical, so do us all a favor and go nuke a gay baby whale for
> Jesus, okay?
>
> The moral of the rant really was, "Lighten up, people. Don't judge a man
> til you've rolled a mile in his wheelchair."
>
> BTW, if you've never read his book, it's one of the best of the "Recovered
> alcoholic quadriplegic sex maniac Oregonian cartoonists" genre. ;)
>
> Frenchy
Callahan ROCKS! I used to have one of his books that was given to me as a
gift by someone who knows and shares my warped sense of humor. Yes,
Callahan is merciless in his portrayal of PC-for-PC's-sake and misguided
compassion (read "pity") toward the handicapped. One of my favorite
cartoons of his shows an armless and legless guy (basically a torso) resting
on a wheelboard on a city sidewalk, next to a head upon a similar
wheelboard. The torso says to the head "People like you are SUCH an
inspiration to me!" There are some others that are even more pointed and
just as funny but I won't repeat them here lest the Thought Police come
a-knocking...
Brian
Leotine
>Unfortunately, a resort to pidgin implies (heavily) an opinion on the
>part of the writer that the reader is intellectually incapable of
>understanding the parent language; it is, in effect, "talking down" to
>the reader.
I say, old boy, it is not very chipper of you to infer that speaking
"pidgin" is tallking down. It is just using words they understand, and
believe me it has taken I or one or rather the mem saib a good few
years to get sambo just to say "brown winsor soup" correctly. We gave
up on the char wallah and mien kaffir is hopeless, can't even stand up
straight when he kneels down so I can get on to my horse.
Don't you be fooled when they say "no speeke de English". Who cares.
They understand if you shout at them long enough and a lash of the
whip makes them understand right pronto.
You're not one of those Liberals who support Mr. Gladstone are you ?
Leotine
Ventana
>
> Unfortunately, a resort to pidgin implies (heavily) an opinion on the
> part of the writer that the reader is intellectually incapable of
> understanding the parent language; it is, in effect, "talking down" to
> the reader.
That may be your opinion. However, please don't imply that your opinion was
the intention behind my words or the perception of the original poster or
others on ARWM. I was making a light hearted comment about my lack of
Spanish, applying humor to connect with the poster, and sincerely hoped that
someone would help this person. Anyone who really knows me, is quite aware
of how respectful I am of those of different cultures (and I AM implying no
one on this newsgroup knows me that well). This goes to show you perception
is everything.
What I find more appalling than my supposed resort of condescending use of
pidgin, is how I and Brian have been raked over the coals for something
well-intended and lightheartedly written. And as Frenchy pointed out
previously, there are a lot of double standards flying around on ARWM. Kind
of makes one wonder about other's intentions on ARWM.
-V
Gale
wrote:
>"Baird Stafford" <ba...@newstaff.com> wrote in message
>news:p0501040fb79a8305ebfb@[66.20.117.180]...
>
> >
> > Unfortunately, a resort to pidgin implies (heavily) an opinion on the
> > part of the writer that the reader is intellectually incapable of
> > understanding the parent language; it is, in effect, "talking down" to
> > the reader.
>
>That may be your opinion.
I'm sorry, but language has meaning and connotations beyond the "intention"
of the speaker --- it reflects also the understanding of the audience, and
it is quite correct to conclude that the connotation of condescension is
part and parcel to the use of pidgin.
> However, please don't imply that your opinion was
>the intention behind my words or the perception of the original poster or
>others on ARWM.
My full intention was to ignore those connotations, as I assumed the use
was an unintentional faux pas. However, since you consider this a major
issue: Yes, it is the opinion of a second member of this newsgroup and
member of modstaff that pidgin English is inherently condescending and, to
be quite technical, constitutes a personal attack as is forbidden by the
Charter of this newsgroup.
>I was making a light hearted comment about my lack of
>Spanish, applying humor to connect with the poster, and sincerely hoped that
>someone would help this person. Anyone who really knows me, is quite aware
>of how respectful I am of those of different cultures (and I AM implying no
>one on this newsgroup knows me that well). This goes to show you perception
>is everything.
Everyone misspeaks --- it is no big deal. The passionate defense of an
error, however, is not a tactic conducive to productive conversation.
>What I find more appalling than my supposed resort of condescending use of
>pidgin, is how I and Brian have been raked over the coals for something
>well-intended and lightheartedly written.
Brian? Didn't Brian say "opps" regarding the very funny but easily
misunderstood Mexican food order? I hope Brian doesn't believe he was
"raked over the coals."
> And as Frenchy pointed out
>previously, there are a lot of double standards flying around on ARWM. Kind
>of makes one wonder about other's intentions on ARWM.
You are welcome to hold that opinion.
Blessed Be,
Gale
Baird Stafford
> "Baird Stafford" <ba...@newstaff.com> wrote in message
> news:p0501040fb79a8305ebfb@[66.20.117.180]...
> > Unfortunately, a resort to pidgin implies (heavily) an opinion on the
> > part of the writer that the reader is intellectually incapable of
> > understanding the parent language; it is, in effect, "talking down" to
> > the reader.
> That may be your opinion. However, please don't imply that your opinion was
> the intention behind my words or the perception of the original poster or
> others on ARWM.
Unfortunately, however, your words were the only basis I had on which to
form an opinion - and they seemed to me very much to be a put-down
rather than a joke. Even when I went to google and reread 'em, they
*still* seemed that way to me.
And I'm afraid I belong to the old-fashioned school that believes it is
the writer's responsibility to make him- or herself clear and
unambiguous - NOT the reader's responsibility to try to guess the
writer's intentions.
I have discovered over the past decade and a half or so of communication
via electronic media that if something *can* be taken that way (whatever
"that way" may be), it *will* be taken that way. As a result, I make
every attempt to check my wording before I post.
I don't claim perfection in the matter: I make mistakes, just like
everyone else. And I fully expect to be called when I make 'em.
<snip>
Blessed be,
Baird
Brian Garrett
Gale <ga...@futuresouth.com> wrote in message
news:5.1.0.14.0.200108...@pop3.norton.antivirus...
I don't believe I'm being "raked over the coals"--but I didn't say "oops",
either. I stated for the record that my remark about inadvertantly ordering
the enchilada combo plate was poking fun at my own ignorance, not the
original poster's. If I were bigoted and mean-spirited enough to criticize
a non-English speaking guest for not posting in an unfamiliar language, I
would have directed my remarks *specifically at that person*, in
*no uncertain terms*. IF I were that mean-spirited and bigoted, that is. I
did want to clarify my meaning, but I did not say "oops", as I did not and
do not believe I had anything to apologize for. A lurker--not even the
original poster--had *his* sensibilities offended. This is unfortunate, but
unless and until I hear from offended Spaniards who sincerely believed,
based on a specific statement quoted in context, that I was talking down to
them or otherwise picking on their nationality, I will make no apology.
Believe me, when and if I ever *intend* to give offense, no one in the
newsgroup will have any doubt as to whom the offense is directed, and why.
Hope this helps.
BB,
Brian
Gale
wrote:
><snip>
>I don't believe I'm being "raked over the coals"--but I didn't say "oops",
>either. I stated for the record that my remark about inadvertantly ordering
>the enchilada combo plate was poking fun at my own ignorance, not the
Clarification noted. Thanks. ;-)
April Rayne
left out of the lambaste<g>
> Old thing?!?!? Who are you calling an old thing?!?!?!? Why I am grossly
> OFFENDED that you would make fun of the youth-challenged!!! Why, I am so
inflamed with righteous anger that I'm going to whack you over the head with
my cane, I will!!!> ;)
No no not *the cane*. Actually it's a term of endearment and one I reserve
for those of whom I'm rather fond:-) When phoning friends (the few still
left on their perches) I'm wont to say "what ho old thing" and they know
instantly it's *got* to be me. At the posh end of society brothers used to
use it for a favourite sister, sons for their Mothers, is has no age
barrier.
> > I agree with the first bit but not the second. I'd change that to *one
> or two of us* rather than we.
>
> Why, did you take a recent poll? ;)
Didn't have to I read the groups messages and correspond with many many arwm
members privately, as you know :-) By the way did you ever get the post I
sent to your emergency addy when you went off post op to your Mom's?
> >True and several actually took the trouble to get a translation rather
>> than simply ignore the poster which is more how I believe we are than
>>the picture Frenchy has painted.
>
> But Ventana didn't even say anything BAD.
I wasn't even addressing what Ventana did or didn't say or intended. Rather
the incorrect picture of constant japers you were making us *all*out to be.
> My gods, no one turned a hair a few months ago during the Pearl Harbor
>discussion when Alex Grai was going out of his way to flame Americans >with
the clearly express purpose of pissing people off. The mods didn't say >a
*thing*.
Possibly because he wasn't actually breaking the charter? Gale did make an
off the cuff derogatory comment about his posts to a third party if memory
serves?)When Al did get his facts wrong he was very smartly pulled up and
acknowledged his error. He did also say he'd love to live in the states<g>
For the life of me I truly can't understand your reasoning behind this
inflammatory signature line of yours
"did you know that 41 percent of images attached to British business e-mail
messages are pornographic? Does that say more about business or the
British?" -
Quite put my husband out of sorts, now he's p****d off because he never gets
ANY ;-)
>Now Ventana makes one silly remark making fun of *herself*, and folks are
taking offense.
Not me sunshine (another of my *TOE's) but you did rather make of it a
banner and ran with it, when had you left it to Ventana to address for
herself as she saw fit it would have fizzled out with most none the wiser.
> > > It's my personal opinion that we should really make fun of EVERYONE
> until> > > morale improves. ;)
> >
> > Oh great :-(
>
> Oh c'mon April, lighten up. ;) Don't you sometimes think the world has
> gotten just a little too politically correct for its own good? Everyone's
> so freaking bloody serious about themselves.
As I've said this wasn't the issue to which I responded but as it happens
yes I do. My mother made me a dark brown cloth doll when I was about four, I
loved her to death literally(all her sawdust fell out through the threadbare
patches), I had pink bodied dolls too, they were all the same to me then as
dolls and now as humans. I make no concessions for race. Possibly some of
us tend to take life bloody seriously because we are dealing personally with
the hard facts of life worldwide on a daily basis and find it's not that
easy to switch to all singing all dancing mode when interacting with
newsgroups. Dear girl you don't know you're born you're so privileged. Ye
gods you've still got a mother to run home to for goodness sake. Of course
from your prospective life's a hoot, a laugh a minute but lets see if you
still think the same way should you ever have long term heavy
responsibilities other than to yourself.
> Criminy, you people didn't get *half* so self-righteous when I
> flamed British cuisine a few months ago!
"You people" surely you didn't mean to insult the British from which a large
part of the longer standing arwm membership is made up? I couldn't give a
tinkers cuss what anyone thinks about any countries cuisine but I do object
to the group being bulldozed over by one larger than life person who seems
to think if we're not all frivolous we don't have an equal place here.
April R
* Terms of Endearment
Leotine
>What I find more appalling than my supposed resort of condescending use of
>pidgin, is how I and Brian have been raked over the coals for something
>well-intended and lightheartedly written.
Yes, you turn over a stone, toss a pebble, and the whole mountain
comes down on you. Introduce kitty cat to the pigeons and Oh boy what
a flutter. Put a tick in the box marked experience, say "Tish-Pot" and
"Foo". Wear your bubble and don't let it get to you.
You should be so lucky, when I posted a reference to
alt.computers.ms-access detailing how I had been shafted with Access
2000 and "please pass the Vaseline" the whole newsgroup went up in
flames.
Well we can sit around in this NG having a nice picnic and discussing
Darjeeling tea with Lord and Lady Gage and the vicar. "And tell me
Cynthia what are you wearing to the debutante's ball?", "Sorry Lady G,
I got knocked up by the Philippino gardener and will be five months
gone by then". Now that's spoilt the crochet game hasn't it. But
Cynthia's father, red in face with the 12-bore, blasting the
rhododendrons to shreds and Manuel the gardener leaping over the
wheelbarrow shrieking "< fill in these lines for me - pidgin spanish
please>" is a joy to see on this Sunday afternoon.
We were talking about the dark side in another post, the side you and
others do not see. In this thread I continually splosh into that pool
of xenophobia that is part of me. I don't want it. It is Yuk. So here
we go again get the bucket and pump it out. You don't cover it up, you
don't run away from it, you don't pretend it is not there. You
transform it. Humour is a good way.
I remember in my university days I was sitting in the refectory having
breakfast, opposite a "black man". A friend of mine came over and sat
down and said to this man "hello you black nigger been banging the
voodoo drums again?" Oh I was horrified and ashamed, I just froze.
"No, you bleached whitey, I am not debauched as you". Turned out they
where the best of friends. :-))
Leotine
La Mandragola
<qmsgnts04j3ecqvj5...@4ax.com>:
>You should be so lucky, when I posted a reference to
>alt.computers.ms-access detailing how I had been shafted with Access
>2000 and "please pass the Vaseline" the whole newsgroup went up in
>flames.
>
Ow.
-LaM, lord of the impossible to resist comment, and getting in of
same first.
Jackdaw
> X-No-Archive:yes
> Absolutely! Because of course I consider the British some scary, alien,
> savage race. The men all have really big schlongers and the women are all
> matriarchal and nymphomaniacal and they're alcoholic and lazy and they eat
> children and worship a god with a donkey's head and they use the fat of
> unbaptized babies in their scary pagan rituals, they all worship Satan you
> know even if they don't call their god Satan, and they're all inscrutable
> scimitar-waving political fanatics at whom we must aim all our nukes,
> because if we don't keep them in line they will try to overrun the world
> with their godless Toryism. ;)
> Frenchy
Dear Frenchy, ( Old Thing )
You have got me an' my friends to a "T".
Tho, you did leave out sheep molesting. |¬)
--
Cornish Jackdaw ( Brit )
Collector of facts, trivia & bright twinkly things.
And skulls and bizzare items and.............
Baird Stafford
<snip>
> I was really surprised no one really called down Alex on his Yank flaming.
Aleq was called down in private email by another of the Modstaff.
Blessed be,
Baird
Shez
<ba...@newstaff.com> writes
I think that should have remained private Baird, the whole idea of
private E-mail is to keep it private.
francis freespirit
<fre...@spam-me-not.com> writes
>Absolutely! Because of course I consider the British some scary, alien,
>savage race. The men all have really big schlongers and the women are all
>matriarchal and nymphomaniacal and they're alcoholic and lazy and they eat
>children and worship a god with a donkey's head and they use the fat of
>unbaptized babies in their scary pagan rituals, they all worship Satan you
>know even if they don't call their god Satan, and they're all inscrutable
>scimitar-waving political fanatics at whom we must aim all our nukes,
>because if we don't keep them in line they will try to overrun the world
>with their godless Toryism. ;)
What a delightful picture and so true to life <g>
--
francis freespirit
oxford, england
Shez
<fra...@topdeck.demon.co.uk> writes
I am utterly disgusted, We have not been a Tory nation for five years,
you would think these Americans could at least keep up with the news,
Labour nation please...... at least get the politics correct.
Jackdaw
"Shez" <sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:RIwwXPBn...@oldcity.demon.co.uk...
Is there a difference?
Ducks and runs to fall out shelter!!!
--
Cornish Jackdaw
Shez
fts.fsnet.co.uk> writes
Well no, their isn't a difference actually, but its the principle of the
thing, :) at least the names of the political parties are different.
Really the whole thing is over the top, I could never eat a whole child,
far to filling, and I far prefer bees wax candles to tallow candles made
from human fat, they smell nicer and don't splutter half so much
>
>--
>Cornish Jackdaw
>Collector of facts, trivia & bright twinkly things.
>And skulls and bizzare items and.............
>
>
--
Leotine
Oh Frenchy - youre a hoot !
>I should really hope that I would not lose my sense of humor. It's pretty
>much gotten me through whatever nastiness I've gotten so far.
It's called grin and bear it.
("Oh yeash dear", says the fat lady at the back, "whicha bit of my bod
shall I bear?")
>Y'know, I didn't *always* think life was a hoot. I used to have my fairly
>standard dark, gloomy, and depressed state of mind. And as I've alluded to
>here in the past, it culminated in a half-assed suicide attempt.
I know, I was going to throw myself in the river, but it looked like
rain. Throw myself in front of a train, but after 2 hours waiting I
went home. Cut my wrists with depilatory cream. Take an overdose of
pills but all I could find were dog chocs - had a lovely cold nose for
days. But one night I could not stand it no more and jumped into the
lake - and it washed all the hurt and pain and troubles away. Also I
got chased out by the swans - "quack get outta here"
> (like right now I'm hunkering
>down for Recession #3 for me and going, "Oh fuck it, I survived the early
>70s and the late 80s, I'm going to survive this one as well,") and when you
>realize you got through it just fine, you realize you're going to make this
>crisis, as well.
Me too, I'm learning how to mop floors and stack shelves 20 feet under
water. For when the computer market goes zit and global warming comes
in.
>I tried going through life being really depressed and negative all the time.
>I prefer being happy. It's a lot more fun.
Although I do sometimes, take a trip to the big city and play horse
shit kickers with the commuters. "Groan, another day at the office,
and who left all these piles of horseshit on the pavement (sidewalk)"
Wait a minute that was the 70's now it is pooper scoop it all up and
put in in the brief case and hurry hurry hurry to be first mr punkin
head at the desk and get brownie points for doing absolutely sod all -
but efficiently
>Absolutely! Because of course I consider the British some scary, alien,
>savage race. The men all have really big schlongers and the women are all
>matriarchal and nymphomaniacal and they're alcoholic and lazy and they eat
>children and worship a god with a donkey's head and they use the fat of
>unbaptized babies in their scary pagan rituals, they all worship Satan you
>know even if they don't call their god Satan, and they're all inscrutable
>scimitar-waving political fanatics at whom we must aim all our nukes,
>because if we don't keep them in line they will try to overrun the world
>with their godless Toryism. ;)
I say, pip pip. What a quaint notion you have of the British. We play
cricket here and loose baldly because we know it is just a game.
"schlongers" ? you mean scholars.
and nymphomanical women, oh my, oh dear no. Its all clench teeth and
think of England. You'll be lucky, er, sorry, I'll be lucky to get one
to sing Rule Brittania.
and if you mean "scimitar-waving" to refer to the influx of Islamic
culture into this country - well, all the more, they don't half make
good curries.
Leotine
Brock Ulfsen
> Yes, it is the opinion of a second member of this newsgroup and
> member of modstaff that pidgin English is inherently condescending and, to
> be quite technical, constitutes a personal attack as is forbidden by the
> Charter of this newsgroup.
But where does this leave communication in Tok Pisin?
--
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
Brock Ulfsen, wolf on the net.
A net alias used for
all the usual reasons.
Gale
wrote:
>Gale wrote:
> > Yes, it is the opinion of a second member of this newsgroup and
> > member of modstaff that pidgin English is inherently condescending and, to
> > be quite technical, constitutes a personal attack as is forbidden by the
> > Charter of this newsgroup.
>
Hmmm, we'll consider that when confronted by the issue. (Yes, I do
understand that it can be one.)
Brian Garrett
Tok Pisin may have started out as a pidgin, but it is now a fully developed
language. It is not in the same class with the kind of pidgin talk we've
been talking about. Hawaiian Pidgin is somewhat less standardized but still
has to be properly learned before it can be properly spoken, and so is (at
the very least) a dialect, if not yet a distinct language. (Not that *that*
distinction has ever been standardized to everyone's satisfaction, either.)
Brian
Turtle
>>hola me gustaria hablar con gente en caastellano sobre este tema, en
>>concreto sobre magia blanca
>
>
>Vale. Le voy mandar una respuesta en seria. Me llamo "Silvermoon", y si
>usted quiere conversar con alguien sobre la* magia blanca *esta bien, hablo
>y escribo espanol. No se exactamente que es lo que usted quiere conversar /
>o aprender. Pero yo con much gusto intentare contestar sus preguntas.
>
>Bendicion,
>Silvermoon
>
>
>Ok, I am going to give you a serious resonse ( to your post). My name is
>Silvermoon, and if you would like to speak with someone about " white
>magick", that's fine I speak & write Spanish. I am not sure what it is that
>you would like to discuss or learn exactly, but I will try to answer your
>questions.
>
>Blessings,
>Silvermoon.
Thanks for the translation, Silvermoon! I speak a little Spanish myself, just
enough to quickly get in over my head in a serious conversation. I was hoping
someone else could help this poster, and I think that's the spirit of ARWM
personified. Kudos.
Turtle
---
What is the use of a house if you haven't got a tolerable planet to put
it on? - Henry David Thoreau, _Familiar Letters_, May 20, 1860
~~~
Stand up, speak out, talk back!
~~~
I didn't vote for his daddy, either.