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A few Newzbytes
1) TAMPA, Florida: WHAT UP?
2) Food, they say, is God
http://spirituality.indiatimes.com/...how/1026667.cms (ISKCON becomes:
another food for the poor project?)
3) "Clinically Depressed" -- Gopis?
4) Another 19th Nervous Breakdown (Kuladri)!
5) IRM Attacks Srila Prabhupada's Quotes as "Ranting" Update
6) PADAFILES! Damodar Das <dam...@swbell.net> wrote:
7) Compassion; response to "Meeting Attendees were child abusers" by
Urmila dd
8) The Fate of ISKCON in Our Hands: Vaikuntha or Free Hotel? Paradheya
dasa
9) Subject: Bhakti Tirtha Swami's health update
10) Dear Puranjana Prabhu/ Sankarsana is right in defeating
11) Lessons in ISKCON Denial
12) Personal witness account of Jayapataka’s character (from his
female disciple)
13) Pratyatosa looking for Bir Krishna follower
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I am happy to announce the new ISKCON HISTORY PAGE. Please check it
out under: www.harekrsna.org/history.htm
Nandini's site: http://surrealist.org/gurukula/lawsuit.html
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Photos NEEDED for WEB SITE www.harekrsna.org/history.htm. Past and
recent PHOTOS NEEDED by PADA! (Send em by e-mail as jpeg) * Savasa -
Emil Beca (Los Angeles)/ Robert Owen (Los Angeles)/ Nrisinghananda -
David Shapiro - ITV/ Sura - Stuart Kadetz/ Dennis Brown/ Chris NcNay/
Ratnabusana - Wayne Seltzer/
** Kelly Conner (San Diego)/ Randy Whalen (San Diego)/
*** Kuladri - Arthur Villa (New Vrindavana) and -- was he convicted of
a felony?/ Allen White (New Vrindavana)/ Melanie Nagel (New
Vrindavana)/ Venkatesh Pakti (New Vrindavana)/ Ramesh Patel (New
Vrndavana)/ Joeseph Moffit and Jill Clayton (New Vrindavana)/ Ralph J.
Seward (New Vrindavana) is he a convicted molester?/ Carlos Ordinez
(New Vrindavana), Chris Ostrosky (New Vrindavana)/ Jane Seward (New
Vrindavana -- Sulochana's ex-wife?)/ Emil Sofsky/ Radhanatha swami/
Umapati swami/
**** As well as: ALL the people in the room when Srila Prabhupada was
complaining of poison: Adridharana dasa/ Bhavananda swami (Charles
Bacis)/ Jayapataka swami/ Jayadvaita swami (Jay Israel)/ Bhakti Caru
swami/ Hansadutta dasa/ et al.
***** As well as: biggest DEFENDERS of the poisoners on the planet:
The IRM and their managers such as Adridharana dasa/ Krishna Kanta
Desai/ Yaduraja dasa/ Madhusudana dasa (UK)/ whose official policy is
to now say that Srila Prabhupada is a mad "ranter" about being
poisoned, of course these same idyoots said the children/ PADA were
"ranting" when the children were all being molested, insensitive oafs
that they are, or implicated up to their necks? You decide!
****** All of the elven gurus/ and their big henchmen advocates such
as Sridhara Maharaja/ Narayana Maharaja (photos of him with GBC
leaders needed especially); Tripurari swami (Tom Beaudry); and their
top advocate/ managers such as/ Bir Krishna/ Trivrikrama/ Ravindra
Swarupa/ .... This is just to get us started -- for our new web site!
Lets see the faces of these people, and let's be clear who they are!
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Newzbytes
* Several ex-gurukulis have wrote to PADA complaining they cannot
comprehend the Turley settlement status. Neither can we! Can someone
present the case in simple non-technical non-legal jargon for the rest
of us!
* Bhakti Tirtha swami says he is a spiritual warrior? He has been
"fighting" his whole life away, supporting the worship of poisoners
and molesters as messiahs?
* Thanks "Your Master" for your comments that PADA is "just ranting"
so "everyone will think we are the most advanced devotees," that we
"need to rant to keep the glue of our brains together," and we "need
to rant to keep our ego from going dead." Problem is, when we said
even early on, that worship of child molesters is a peril to children,
we were not ranting about ourselves, we were pointing to the problem
towards ISKCON's children with your policy. Of course, your brothers
Sridhara and Narayana folks, and the IRM's leaders since 1977, they
also joined you and said the same thing, PADA is ranting because he
thinks he is a pure devotee. No, we think that your folks policy of
orchestrating worship of child molesters as messiahs/ or acquiescing
with same, is evil, and, it is! Sorry to also say this as well, what
little bit of respect we had for yourself, say ten percent, is now
minus one hundred and ten percent. We do not respect people who say
the problem of chilren being molested, under your policy of commission
-- support/ ommission -- acqueising with their regime, is "ranting,"
as you, the GBC, Sridhara, Narayana, Tripurari, the IRM leaders and et
al. have said all along. This has nothing to do with us being "pure
devotees" or "pure idyoot barking fox terrier dogs" as Trivrikrama
says we are, rather: human society states that we do not accept the
worship of homosexual pedophiles as our messiahs, and this is simply
the policy of human life, it is not ranting. Your harassing us is not
only ranting, it has SEVERELY impeded, imperiled, indeed impaled, many
children. That is the result of your rants. thanks pd
* PADA's "special preacher award" goes to Naranayana Dasa (Los
Angeles). He is gradually convincing some of our formerly bewildered
ex-gurukulis -- who ran off to Narayana Maharaja -- that they have
jumped out of the frying pan into the fire, since Narayana Maharaja
has been one of the biggest exponents of the enforced cult ritualistic
worship of homosexuals (post 1936) and homosexual pedophiles (post
1977) regimes, in the entire history of Gaudiya Vaishnavism.
Naranarayana Dasa also knows some of the intimate details of how
Narayana Maharaja was co-plotting with some of the Gaudiya Matha's
deviants against Srila Prabhupada in the late 1960s and throughout the
1970s, and how NM simply carried that onward by working with "the
(GBC's) poison plotters" after 1977. PADA is sorry to point this out,
but even after Narayana Maharaja admitted that the GBC and Tamal had
poisoned Srila Prabhupada, NM still wrote a long letter glorifying
Tamal as his "greatest preacher/ poojapada." Yep, "killing your guru
with poison," and then "foisting homosexual pedophiles into your
guru's seat," and then "mass molesting thousands of your guru's
children," that is "great preaching" according to Narayana Maharaja
and his letter writer, Jadurani. Yeps, killing guru, very nice
preaching indeed, for a resident of the planet of tape worms. Yikees
pilgrims! thanks ys pd
* Is Satsvarupa Dasa goswami hanging out with Tripurari swami (Tom
Beaudry of Philo). Some have said he is... molester beejers of a
feather, flop together!
* A devotee also phoned Tripurari swami wanting to visit his PHILO
(California) farm, and Tripurari began yelling and shouting at him on
the phone, over and over, "WHO is your initiating guru, you cannot
come up here unless you tell us who is your initiating guru."
Apparently, only unless you are initiated by homosexual pedophile
lineages are you allowed to visit Tom Beaudry's campus in Philo. "My
guru is Mr. Butt-o-buddy poker," oh goody, come right on up to kiss
Mr. Tripurari Godasa Swami Zipper pada's holey feats! We have decided
to put some nice photos of Tripurari on our new web site. We have one
old Surf magazine with a buff guy and some girls in bikinis, and were
thinking of photoshopping his head there, but he has so many young boy
disciples? What is an editor to do!
* A devotee said that three of the four alleged rapers at New
Vrindavana are "illegal aliens." Another devotee says there are also
illegals in Dallas. Another devotee says that the GBC is trying to
import a bunch of illegals from Malaysia. Has it come down to that the
GBC has kicked out all the Westerners, and they can only find people
overseas by paying them to work as imported slave/ mules? Is all of
this legal, to bring in illegals? Can someone verify other illegals
elsewhere? Weren't the GBC busted by the INS already for importing
illegals? thanks pd
* We have finally had to address the "WW III Paper" produced by
Kapindra swami. He is making his prediction that WW III will start in
the year 2006.
Dear Kapindra swami. PAMMHO. AGTSP.
Maharaja, you paper regarding WW III is now circulating on the web as
"fantastically foolish predictions" in some areas, just as we
predicted it would. And we were called upon to respond. Unfortunately,
we are now once again trying to have to explain some off-beat
projections from one of our hopefully allied members, but on an obtuse
issue that is diverting from the whole program of establishing the
messiah for the golden age. This is also incredibly negative
preaching: "doomsday." We had hoped that you would have kept this idea
to yourself and not made public papers. And we indeed warned you of
the consequence of making such predictions in public papers. I was
also confronted with your papers in my face recently by a few devotees
in person. Edgar Cayce is one of your authorities? And one of your
lady followers wrote to tell PADA that you made her fearful and panic
by thinking she had to move to Oregon, or get fried in the nuclear
conflagration. Maharaja! Please don't be messing with people's minds
like this, you are hurting and panicking people! Frankly, we'd rather
chant Hare Krishna, conflagration or not, than run around hiding under
rocks trying to save our precious bag o bones. Have we come down to
being a (another) doomsday cult?
First, your prediction is total speculation and was massaged out of
some article penned in 1956. This "2006 is the war" idea was not given
to us at all after 1965 when it would have been actually more relevant
for us. This idea was not repeated at all, what to speak of
constantly, by Srila Prabhupada, which he would have done if he had
wanted to warn us about some specific war date. There are also many
other citations on the war, for example that it may not occur at all,
and you failed to balance this out, as Sanat and Mukunda are so adept
at doing. Even if it is true that the world will end in six months, as
PADA's Christian friends at work also think like you (Armageddon is
nigh), it is very foolish to madly run around to prepare for WW III --
only a few months before it is going to begin? Better to just sit down
and chant Hare Krishna, if the end of the world is such a short
distance away? If we actually thought WW III is only a few months
away, that is what we'd do, just sit down and chant and be happy! Why
start running around looking for shelter, if the bombs are dropping at
any second? Rather, one should have been planning to make a self
sufficient farm many years ago, if there was going to be a need for
self-sufficient living. Then again, you avoid going to our friends in
Mississipi or Oregon who have at least some foundation shape/
potential for a farm, you are not even trying to get a farm going
along with the devotees!
And worse, Oregon might be the only place where all the bombs land,
because the Russian missles are so out of date and in a state of ill
repair, their guidance systems are not being maintained properly -- as
is known everywhere publicly. Even a vastly better maintained American
ICBM missle failed a "test launch" recently, because there was "water
seepage into the fuel tank and electical systems." It is amazing that
you have so much faith in the workability and accuracy of these
machines, when in Russia there is barely any money to maintain these
machines, and Russian machines are not the greatest quality even in
tip-top condition. Who knows where their missles will go? And Russia
lost Ukraine, Kryzykstan, and so many other places recently, they are
fighting a bigger war at home.
Worse, you are agitating devotees to leave their houses and
apartments, sometimes which they can barely maintain already due to
tight money, and to fly off to some unkown place where getting a job
is very hard. This may simply make some of our poor devotees go
totally bankrupt, and end up destitute, and in some strange area where
they know no one, as occured to many devotees when Harikesha,
Hansadutta, Kirtananada and many of your predecessors previously
predicted WW III. You "doomsday prediction" might be true in this
sense, you may make a doomsday mess out of the lives of some of your
readers by sending them on a wild golden goose egg hunt in the hills
of Oregon, not what any of us needs right now! Let us know when you
want to give up these war focused ideas and you want to re-join us in
the preaching effort. Please! Do not have one more letter of distress
coming from your followers to PADA, that they think they are going to
burn to flinders if they are not in Oregon in a few months, this is
what we DO NOT NEED at this point! We already have nice rural projects
in Oregon, Mississipi, and Dhamaghosa and others are nicely situated
in the country as well, go and work with one of these projects and
make something rural, that is nice, but do not add some doomsday
element. thanks pd
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1) TAMPA, Florida: WHAT UP?
I always knew that there was a Tampa temple (or at least that is what
I thought). In fact a friend of mine moved to Tampa a couple of months
ago and I e-mailed him the Tampa temple's address: 14610 North 17th
St., Lutz 33549/ telephone #(813) 971-6474 E-mail:
Krishn...@hotmail.com
Isn't it still listed in the Back to Godhead magazine under "Centers
Around the World"?
[PADA: Nope. Not since they wrote a letter saying that the GBC's guru
voting system is bogus]
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2) Food, they say, is God
http://spirituality.indiatimes.com/...how/1026667.cms
Feeding Sunita, Serving Krishna Sudheendra Kulkarni
Food, they say, is God. May more of us propitiate this God by helping
stem the hunger of millions. The ISKCON (International Society for
Krishna Consciousness) temples in Mumbai, in partnership with The
Times Group, have recently launched a service project. The leaflet
that describes this project carries the beautiful face of a poor girl
with this caption: "Sunita loves Science classes. Sunita loves History
classes. Sunita loves Mathematics classes... “But SHE HATES LUNCH
HOURS." Why? Because of hunger, the six-letter word that haunts nearly
60 million children in rural and urban India, robbing them of their
childhood, depriving them of the joys of learning, and disempowering
them in life.
ISKCON in Bangalore runs a similar mid-day meal programme called
Akshaya Patra the plate that never gets empty. The phrase is derived
from a Mahabharata story that extols the munificence of Krishna. Only
four years old, it already feeds 60,000 children in government-run
schools. "Hunger is a silent and invisible killer", says Swami Madhu
Pandit, an IIT graduate who heads the Hare Krishna temple in India's
IT capital. Food, they say, is God. May more of us propitiate this God
by helping stem the hunger of those millions of boys and girls whose
name is 'Today'.
Dear PADA: Is this not exploiting distress and ignorance of
marginalized groups? Is this Ananda Maya or Anna Maya? Iskcon's slow
but sure change towards "We [ISKCON's devotees] believe that feeding a
hungry child is the greatest service one can render to Krishna. I
would like to emphasise that our project feeds every day 20.000
children of all castes and creeds" (Kulkarni das)...
[PADA: Correct. Srila Prabhupada was not very interested in our
starting some social welfare projects like feeding the poor. He wanted
us to focus on spreading Krishna consciousness, and he thought this
would cure hunger. So this is another problem, in India there are so
many Mathas with their "feeding the poor" projects, and now ISKCON is
gradually being lumped in as simply another Hindu "help the poor"
society. ys pd]
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3) "Clinically Depressed" -- Gopis?
Dear Tony/ Ken/ Darwin. Thanks for your recently "coming out of the
closet" and admitting that your real guru STILL is: Suhotra swami,
never mind that he wrote a letter recently saying his guru program has
now crashed -- exactly like an airplane crashes. We said all along
that Suhotra is an extreme deviant who has linked homosexual
pedophiles to: the disciplic succession of pure devotees, Jesus-like
messiahs, "servants of Radha and the gopis" and so on. Sorry, PADA has
always said that we need to worship BONA FIDE, qualified, actual,
servants of the gopis. For example, recently one of Narayana
Maharaja's followers came up to us and he snickered, "You ritviks are
so foolish you think you can still worship Rupa Goswami as your guru."
Well, yes we do? Why not? Narayana Maharaja disagrees, he still says
that members of Suhotra's pedophile lineage are his "poojapada" gurus.
Yikees!
Sorry, we'll worship Rupa Goswami as our pooja pada, and you guys can
worship your film noir buffs, x-rated film buffs, assorted wankers,
drug-addicts, molesters, murderers, ex-cons, self-appointed popes,
dope sellers, child buggers, etc., as your gopi rasika saint acharyas,
danke-well! Yep, when PADA is not worshipping your molester-cons, and
we are worshipping Rupa Goswami instead, then your ghost writer
Narayana Maharaja thinks we are ritvik poison deviants. Worship of
Rupa Goswami and not buggers, ahhh, what poison! And you repeat, oh
the ritviks, yep, we just won't worship your wanker-padas as our
messiahs.
Suhotra has to be credited though, he took time off from his busy
schedule / favorite lila of watching old Humphrey Bogart film noir,
and visting his therapist for his bouts of "clinical depression" to
write a letter to inform us he is NOT a guru. Sorry, the gopis and/or
their handmaidens are not really too much interested in watching --
Humphrey Bogart movies, smoking cigarettes, and going to a
psychotherapist for their "depression" medications? Moroever your guru
"resigned" from being guru, as if the post of "guru" is some mundane
job. "I am hereby resigning from being an assistant of the gopis
today, so that I can watch Jimmy Cagney shoot his Thompson gun." Ummm,
ok! So these are your ideas, that gurus are "voted in" (like the
pope), they are "voted out" (when they are discovered to be idyoots or
criminals) and they resign from guru like a corporate CEO, etc. And
they are interested in James Cagney lila? Of course, if all of your
gurus resigned, that would be good, mind you!
Some folks in Germany living near an ex-Prithu center say his
followers are still worshipping him as their guru, despite knowing he
was masturbating. So this is why we have to oppose you folks, since it
was Suhotra who brain washed these poor people into worship of idyoots
and masturbation as their messiah and as "gopi rasika lila servants."
He mixed molesters and masturbation and "purely serving the gopis,"
and it is very diffucult to undo your damaging "preaching." Of course
it was Narayana Maharaja who first said that these molesters and
masturbators are gurus/ gopi servants who need "rasika talks," ....
ummm, no, they needed to be arrested for orchestrating mass child
molesting. And Suhotra should be arrested for aiding and abetting that
regime, Thanks pd
"Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura has described the process by
which one becomes an uttama-adhikari If one is fortunate, he gradually
becomes disgusted with the limited vision and activities of the
kanistha-adhikari and learns to appreciate the expanded vision of the
madhyama-adhikari, who is able to recognize that every living entity
should become a devotee of Krsna and that one achieves the perfection
of life by following in the footsteps of an uttama-adhikari devotee of
the Lord. As one's devotional service gradually intensifies and one
repeatedly bathes in dust from the lotus feet of a pure devotee, the
harassment of birth, death, hunger, thirst, fear and so on gradually
cease disturbing the mind. SB 11.2.49"
From ISKCON.com Suhotra Swami Leaves Sannyasa
Suhotra Swami, a disciple of Srila Prabhupada and formerly an
initiating guru, has expressed his wish to leave the sannyasa
(renunicate) ashram.
[PADA: Has "needs for sex." After posing as the messiah ...!]
In 2000, suffering from depression he resigned his managerial tasks
and cut back his extensive preaching tour in order to concentrate on
improving his spiritual practice.
[PADA: Despressed servants of Radha, what nin - kom - poop - er -
heads!]
More recently he has advised his disciples that he is no longer in a
position to give proper guidance and has now decided to adopt a
quieter life of research and writing as a vanaprastha.
[PADA: He was never in a position to guide a flea bag ridden mouse.]
Traditionally a vanaprastha is one retired form householder life and
approaching the greater austerity and rigour of a sannyasi (travelling
mendicant). Suhotra Swami, now officially Suhotra Dasa, was initiated
by Srila Prabhupada in Boston in 1972 and took sannyasa initiation in
the early 1980s.
[PADA: After Srila Prabhupada had said the sannyasa order was not
working! And vanaprastha status is for after householder life, not
after sannyasa life! Suhotra has also ruined our vanaprastha, by
kidnapping the temples, then he says, he is going to retire, ok he is
going to keep us banned, barred, beat and shot!]
He was on the famed Library Party in the early 1970s along with
Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami and Ghanasyama Dasa (now Bhakti- tirtha Swami)
distributing Srila Prabhupada's books to college libraries. Suhotra
Swami is also the author of several books including Substance and
Shadow, Transcendental Personalism, and
Beyond Good and Evil. He preached extensively in Eastern European
countires including Bulgaria, Romania, and Poland and served one year
as chairman of ISKCON's GBC (Governing Body Commission). Suhotra
Swami: "Srila Prabhupada once compared going back home, Back to
Godhead, to flying an airplane. Sometimes, after it takes off, a plane
is beset with mechanical problems. The pilot is obliged to turn back
to the starting point and get the aircraft repaired. Thereafter
he can resume the flight. Such will be my course in spiritual life
now: to return to a new beginning so as to repair my damaged spiritual
health through strictly supervised devotional service."
[PADA: Being "an eternal servant of the gopis" means, you are a
damaged airplane! More horse whacky!]
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4) Another 19th Nervous Breakdown (Kuladri)!
Kuladri prabhu (Arthur Villa), cheif henchman for Kirtananda for so
many years, and now Radhanatha's bucket boy, is said to be getting a
salary of $70 - 80,000 per year to "manage" New Vrindavana
(Moundsville, West Virginia). Meanwhile there is not much money to pay
the children in the Turley case? Kuladri is alleged to be living in
Pittsburgh (Pennsylvania) and going to New Vrindavana only once a week
to "manage." Problem is: that recently a woman complained that her 14
year old daughter was raped by at least four men on the New Vrindavana
property, while Kuladri has been in charge. It seems the molesters
were among Kuladri's hand-picked cream of crop / crew of workers. And
so, it is apparently being countered by Kuladri's team that the mother
of the child who was raped "is crazy." Great, so what are they saying?
When a mother is "crazy," it is then ok -- to rape her daughter?
Sorry, whether the mother is crazy, or PADA is crazy, or our neighbor
who is an Elvis impersonator is crazy, that is not the issue. The
issue is: A minor aged child was seemingly attacked on the temple's
properties, repeatedly, while under Kuladri's management watch.
Whereas, in Ukiah, we have a huge "Buddhist school" for small
children. And there are many little kiddies running all over that
place every day. The school is also located on a huge hundreds of
acres area, just like New Vrindavana. Yet, none of the children in the
Buddhist school -- are getting molested? That is because: molesters
are not welcome there! Duh! That is why Hansadutta takes his kids
there, he does not trust the ISKCON schools either.
Then again, the only person vying to take over if Kuldadri leaves
isTapah punja, aka Terry Sheldon, an ex-con who was jailed for
complicity in Sulochana's murder. Our friends tell us he is quite a
bad guy who is alleged linked to other violent crimes against devotees
in that area. One of our associates says this Tapah punja fellow tries
to start a public fist fight with him in Wheeling, so he can get the
police to arrest our associate. Whereas around New Vrindavana, Tapah
punja hides when he sees our associate, because our associate will
fight him on his own turf. Yet Tapah Punjah is the "second in command"
after Kuldari. A thug. Why not find some honest people to manage? Well
no, then there will be fiscal accountability for the money and assets,
and maybe there will not be molesters on the loose. And what better
way to keep a gang of crooks happy but than to provide them with
women, homosexual men, and/or perhaps even children for illicit sex,
just like pirate captains give their bandit crews to keep them loyal?
There is no question in the mind of PADA that providing illicit sex
with both male and female adults, and even children, has been used as
"bargaining chips" to pay off some of the GBC's band of loyal crooks,
thugs, gangsters, lackeys, yes-men and assorted perverts, ... the
fanatical loyalists that the GBC pirates have used to act as their
dedicated servants on the hijacked ship of ISKCON. It has now become a
ship of fools.
Meanwhile Mr. Poncho Villa Kuladri apparently cannot deny that the
young woman was raped because there is alleged "medical evidence." So
all the denial in the world will not save him if this is the actual
case. We think this will be proven as correct. And so now we are told
that Kuladri is pulling one of his "sick out" tricks. He says he is
too ill to visit New Vrindavana, just like Satsvarupa, Jaggadisha,
Prithu, Harikesha, Suhotra, and so many others, these leaders all of a
sudden "fall ill" when they have to answer some tough questions about
their mis-managing. Now, we are also told that the mother of the rape
victim has received some threats of violence, and suffice it to say
that if that occurs we will have many people going to the authorities
linking the New Vrindavana leaders to her assault. This is not an
option for the GBC right now, better forget this route altogether.
Better yet, we might be able to prove that Kuldadri is crazy because
he told us all that he had cleaned up New Vrndavana of the molesters.
He has not done so, but advertised that he had? So this woman and her
daughter have become ensnared in Kuladri's web of deciet, that's all.
And now the woman and her daughter's lives have been changed for the
worse, and ineed harmed permanently, while Kuladri just wants to know
if his favorite thug ex-con felon murder conspirators are getting
enough sweet balls to keep them happy.
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5) IRM Attacks Srila Prabhupada's Quotes as "Ranting" Update
Yes, thanks jojo prabhu, the fact the the IRM has to claim that PADA,
and even Srila Prabhupada are "ranting" proves that the IRM cannot
even begin to defeat the poison case arguments. "Your honor, my
opponent, including the pure devotee, is ranting." That will get the
IRM far in logical debates? The IRM cannot enter into the basic realm
of logical debates, never could, so they resort to name calling,
harassment, arumentum ad hominem, so much so they dare to say that
even pure devotees are karmis (the IRM refers to Srila Prabhupada's
words as "Timmy's rants".) That means the IRM cannot give any specific
point for point reply to any of the questions we have raised since
1997, so they have to say that the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada is a
mundane ranter named Timmy, to insult and harass the pure devotee.
Jesus is being crucified and the IRM says, good, now no one should
complain about this by ranting. Read: they are happy to see a
crucifixion. But lest we forget, the IRM leaders said the children/
PADA were ranting about their being molested, they have no mercy for
any victims. "Ranting."
Krishna Kanta Desai has refused to debate us since he knows he cannot
even anwer one of our questions, so now he simply says the pure
devotee is a karmi named Timmy, and he is ranting about being
poisoned. So, yes, as a matter of fact Madhusudana dasa of the IRM has
confirmed that the IRM and Krishna Kanta Desai are saying that the
poison complaint (from Srila Prabhupada) is "ranting." Thanks goodness
that the founder of pedophile pooja has been accepted by the IRM as
their authority. Pedophile pooja founder Tamal is not ranting,
according to the IRM, he is their authority. thanks pd
IRM: April 6th, 2005, 05:49 PM july9th_77 Location: UK
Keep on ranting! Timmy. Keep on ranting! Timmy. Rant and be happy, old
boy!
PADA: Thanks, your IRM has been saying that Srila Prabhupada is
"ranting" about his being poisoned, nevermind that even the courts of
India say he is not ranting, but he is factually/ legally pointing to
an actual issue, as is verified by many other evidences. We are glad
that the IRM officiallly admits that Krishna Kanta's view is that
Srila Prabhupada is a "ranter," since that is what his GBC gurus are
saying. That is because your IRM advertises Tamal as your authority,
and Tamal is "not" ranting since he is the IRM's guru. Notice also,
that when we said that child molesting was going on, the IRM's leaders
said for 20 years that was also "ranting," so that the IRM leaders
policy got thousands of children molested thereby. Yet, it was the IRM
leaders who ranted, and the children got stuffed, and the IRM is proud
that they supported molesting of thousands of SRILA PRABHUPADA's
children, just like they are proud that they are supporting his
poisoners now, Judas' worshipppers.
Yes, we IRM said that PADA is a ranter, we got thousands of children
molested thereby, aren't we IRM just dandy ole boys? They are proud
that they molested thousands of children with their "ranting" policy.
They are not even feeling the slightest remorse that the IRM leaders
created mass molesting and ruined thosuands of children, rather they
are PROUD that they did that! This is why we are going to put your
photos in our "poison room" section of our new web site, you should be
seen alongside the people you defend. And yes, we will mention that
you also said our forwarding the child molesting was also "ranting."
thanks pd
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6) PADAFILES! Damodar Das <dam...@swbell.net> wrote: It's
interesting to note how you have chosen the name "padafiles" to
describe your material. This is very close in pronunciation to the
term pedophiles. It's seems that you have unconsciously lumped
yourself in with them. It appears that just as you attack the
pedophiles for being bogus you also subconscioiusly consider yourself
to be bogus. If you are indeed bogus it is better to keep yourself in
the closet. Stay off of the internet. It's already polluted enough.
[PADA: Well yes, we are being "tongue in cheek," and we meant that
consciously. And we also we say "pada-ophiles" as well for the same
reason. So anyway, back to your point, you are saying that worship of
homosexual pedophiles is fine, and no one should protest. So you
wanted the children to get molested and you did not want us to protest
all along. You thus caused the molesting by your acquiescing and
saying the protestors are the bad guys, you (direct or de facto)
protected the molesters thereby. That means you are a worshipper of
anus sex with children, and/or a defender of such. thanks,
pada-ophiles.
Damodar Das <dam...@swbell.net> wrote: You are more attracted to
criticizing devotees than you are to glorifying Krishna. I never said
that worship of homesexual pedophiles is fine. Your claim that I am
saying this is simply your concoction.
[PADA: We are criticizing the homosexual pedophile guru lineage and
its supporters. This is your idea of "Krishna's devotees"? Also, we
have never seen you name publicly associated with criticism of the
GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana maharaja's post 1977 homosexual pedophile guru
lineage, and therefore mass molesting went on while you were asleep at
the switch. These (molested) ex-kids always ask us, where were fools
like -- yourself? We know, you were harassing us, de facto, defending
the molesting. And, when you say that criticism of homosexual
pedophile guru lineages is "criticism of Krishna's devotees," you are
saying that Krishna's devotees worship homosexual pedophile guru
lineages. That is what we thought you were saying? thanks pd]
=====================
7) Compassion; response to "Meeting Attendees were child abusers" by
Urmila d.d. Posted March 17, 2005
My apology to the un-named person who noted that I only wrote about
the official record of meetings and when child protection plans were
drafted and by whom. I was not writing my feelings or desires. I wrote
simply some facts of which I am aware. I beg that anyone I have
offended, intentionally or unknowingly, will kindly be soft-hearted
and bless me. With that mercy, perhaps I can overcome all self-imposed
impediments to divine love for Krishna, which includes love for all
living beings who are His beloved parts.
[PADA: Why have you supported a system that has victimized so many
devotees then? Where is your "love and compassion" for all the
devotees who have been banned, beat, molested, assasinated and so on
and so forth, under the jack-boots of your regime?]
* The author asks if I have compassion. The road to compassion can be
twisted and rocky, and for me it includes knowledge of the pain of
abuse. I know the hurt, the fear, and the bitterness that can be the
fruits of being the object of cruelty and exploitation.
[PADA: Well, since you know that ninety-nine percent of the devotees
have been hurt, abused, neglected and alienated from ISKCON by the
corrupt leaders, and they are in -- pain -- as a result, then why do
you still suport those corrupt leaders? Why not show some mercy for
the victims?]
Just as Krishna's lotus palm relieved Jambavan of all pains of the
battle, so the soothing glance of the Lord can heal us and bring us to
joy. Please bless me that I can do some little service, as
Prabhupada's instrument, for the children and youth in Lord Caitanya's
movement.
Your servant, Urmila devi International Society for Krishna
Consciousness.
[PADA: Urmila has not answered the original questions? For example,
why were the gurukula school meetings being attended by, and de facto
managed by, some of the abusers and molesters? Why did the GBC kick
out teachers like Yasodanandana, Dr. Sharma and others, and replace
them with Bhavananda's molester empire? At the height of the
molesting, why were Kirtanananda and Bhavananda placed in charge of
the schools system in India? Why weren't the complaints about child
molestation as were presented by Sulochana, PADA and others, taken
more seriously? And why has Urmila, a person in charge of helping
monitor the schools, been going along with all this?
Why is it that still today people like Bhavananda, Nitai Chanda,
Satadhanya, Dhanurdara and others still being given big posts of
authority? Why weren't people like Jaggadisha charged with criminal
neglect by other ISKCON leaders, since he was told about the molesting
issue (allegedly even by his own son) and he did not take proper
action? Worse, why was Jaggadish having an affair with one of his
young and beautiful Italian disciples, instead of looking after the
ISKCON children, and he even absconded with her and her five year old
child. Isn't that kidnapping? Why was it not understood that while
Jaggadisha was busy "dating his disciples," he was neglecting his job
of looking after ISKCON's children? Criminal neglect. And Kuladri is
allegedly getting $80,000 a year to "manage," yet molesting is still
apparently going on in his domain. Is this not more example of
criminal neglect? What has Urmila been doing to help these issues?
thanks pd]
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8) The Fate of ISKCON in Our Hands: Vaikuntha or Free Hotel? March 17,
2005
While in the forest, Lakshman, the younger brother of Lord Ramachandra
protected mother Sita with a sacred line drawn by the tip of his bow
on the ground. That line, known as Lakshman-Rekha was endowed with
mystic potency so that no demon or Rakshasa could cross over it to
enter the ashram. Thus Sita was perfectly protected from all harm
while he, Lakshman, left the ashram to go to the aid of Lord Ram. No
one could harm Sita, unless she herself could be induced to cross over
that line. Alas, we all know the rest of the story…
ISKCON, the institution created by Srila Prabhupada for the express
purpose of facilitating a worldwide movement spreading the message of
Krishna consciousness is similarly protected like mother Sita by
eternal and absolute instructions given by Srila Prabhupada. Those
instructions include the strict maintenance of many important
spiritual standards and principles, the foremost of which are
well-known by every ISKCON disciple as the four regulative principles:
no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxication and no illicit sex. The
importance of maintaining these 4 principles as the cornerstone of
ISKCON’s spiritual standard and Vedic pedigree cannot be overstated.
Now there comes a challenge to members of ISKCON to consider whether
this great institution of salvation could or should make an adjustment
to the strictness of its standards so as to lovingly and
compassionately offer more facility of devotional service enjoyed by
ISKCON’s members to other groups of conditioned souls weighed down by
varieties of material attachments. This challenge demands whether or
not ISKCON members themselves can adjust this Lakshman-Rekha of
regulative principles according to the ever-changing times and
fashions of modern society to invite a much wider circle of people who
can not practice so strictly to enjoy the rights and privileges of
ISKCON members.
However, this is not just a simple plea for compassion and tolerance.
The challenge coming from HH Hridayananda Goswami (HDG) in his essay,
Vaishnava Moral Theology and the Homosexual Issue, first points a
finger of accusation directly at married devotees, alleging almost
wholesale failure of the householders, even the respected ones, in the
matter of following these principles, and also at the mute acceptance
of this hypocritical standard by the Society as a whole. HDG’s
allegation of widespread hypocrisy is specifically aimed at shaming
ISKCON’s members into loosening the strict application of the
regulative principles by adopting a formal ISKCON policy to accept and
bless the monogamous unions of homosexuals in similar fashion to the
grhastas. Some of HDG’s arguments are reprinted here.
“The real situation in ISKCON is that many, many householders follow
the easier, less ideal version of the rule: no sex outside of
marriage.” (Part I)
“The fact that many or even most grhasthas find it difficult to always
act on the ideal platform ....” (Part III)
“Yet sometimes devotees state that “no illicit sex” means “no sex
outside of marriage.” Indeed that is the standard that many respected
grhasthas are able to follow.” (Part III)
(Hridayananda das Goswami. "Vaisnava moral theology and the homosexual
issue" "site: http://chakra.org page:
http://chakra.org/discussions/GenFeb09_05.html)
HDG’s argument, that comes after a long-winded discussion of morality
in the Mahabharata, could be summarized as follows, "all you folks in
the grihasta ashram are in fact hypocrites because you don’t follow
the regulative principles yet you claim respectability by calling
yourselves the grihasta ashram. What’s the difference between you and
these gay people who also want to practice Krishna consciousness with
monogamous unions religiously sanctified by ISKCON?"
In this way, having established to his own satisfaction the illicit
nature of the grihasta ashram and most of its members, even its
respected ones, HDG leverages that opinion as a platform to propose
the introduction of a parallel ashram for monogamous Homosexuals. He
concludes his essay with this teaser...
“The question then arises: is the policy of choosing the lesser of
evils valid only for heterosexuals, or it is also a necessary strategy
for homosexuals?” (Ibid.)
It must be remembered that HDG is ISKCON’s senior scholar, guru and an
emeritus GBC member. He is the 700 pound philosophical gorilla who can
say what he wants, so his words have tremendous weight and
far-reaching effects. One of those effects has already emerged in the
form of a call by one of HDG’s disciples, Tripurari Das, in his Open
letter to the SSPT for leaders of ISKCON to act on the theological
conclusions of HDG by making official ISKCON policy to recognize
monogamous homosexual unions. So it seems that this issue has got
considerable momentum already, and yet we see either silence or
indifference so far on the part of ISKCON’s leadership with the
exception of a single commentary, Chaste Harlots, by HH Danavir
Maharaja.
One thing is sure amidst all the clamor for acceptance and tolerance
toward homosexuals. No one on the side advocating these changes is
considering the long-term ramifications of creating such a policy, how
it will damage ISKCON’s public image, how it will result in the
inevitable devaluation of the grihasta ashram with the formal removal
of the requirement of strict adherence to regulative principles,
resulting in an increase in marital infidelity and the breakup of
marriages, the inevitable trauma suffered by children as their
families collapse around them and the despoliation of so many other
religious family traditions that are of utmost importance in creating
a bright future for the development of varnashram culture.
Dishonor of the spiritual master. “Now it is practically in your hands
to finish and push on what I have started. I am now getting all
respect and honor, so now you must preserve that standard and not
dishonor me.“ (Srila Prabhupada. Letter to Bhagavan. December 10,
1971) There are at least more than a few who consider that such a
policy would amount to nothing less than an incurable desecration of
ISKCON’s original purity and a shameful dishonor and infidelity to the
Founder-Acharya’s instructions. They consider this proposition
described above to be adharma of the most poisonous kind cleverly
dressed in the beguiling robes of apparent brahminical justification
waiting to pull ISKCON out beyond the safety line of Srila
Prabhupada’s instructions just as Ravana dressed as a brahmana enticed
Mother Sita to step outside her Lakshman-Rekha. Prabhupada: Vaikuntha
or free hotel “Follow the regulative principles, it will remain,
always Vaikuntha. Otherwise again material world…..Free hotel. That's
all. And free hotel will not endure.” (Srila Prabhupada. Morning Walk.
December 11, 1975, Vrndavana)
As china once cracked can never be put back together, as a woman’s
reputation once spoiled is never repaired, so also, with this single
mistake ISKCON’s sacred mission will be forever spoiled and that too
by the same generation of devotees who were given sacred charge of it
just a few short years earlier by Srila Prabhupada, with the
instruction to at least preserve it if they couldn’t expand it. Why
are they not listening to Srila Prabhupada any more? Why are they
risking Vaikuntha to get only a free hotel? Your servant, Paradhyeya
Das
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From: RatiM...@cs.com
to: jayam...@msn.com
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:36 AM
9) Subject: Bhakti Tirtha Swami's health update
Dear devotees Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to
Gurudeva and Srila Prabhupada.
As you know from the previous update, Gurudeva's cancer had somewhat
flared up in the lymph nodes and muscle in the left upper thigh area
since the festival. Since the festival he has been continuing his
intense treatment programme and a restricted diet as a means to slow
down the cancer and potentially facilitate one last visit to some
yatras.
Gurudeva takes a lot of his medications via a catheter which inserts
directly into the left side of the heart. About 10 days ago Gurudeva
noticed that just above the catheter, he was experiencing some
throbbing and tenderness. This then progressed to a swelling over his
left collar bone a few days ago. Thinking the cather may be infected,
a few of us went to the hospital with Gurudeva yesterday, with a view
to having the catheter removed. The doctor who took a look at the
swelling wanted a scan to see what the swelling was before he decided
whether or not the catheter needed to come out. Whilst waiting for
some blood tests prior to the scan, Gurudeva went to support his brief
case with his left hand when the next thing he heard was a 'crack' and
he suddenly jerked back in pain. Gurudeva was in a lot of pain, the
swelling had become bigger and he couldn't move his left arm very
well. In light of this, the scan was arranged for more quickly. We
were all very worried that Gurudeva may have broken something but no
one was prepared for what the scan found. It turned out that the
swelling was infact a bone tumour on the left collar bone as a result
of the cancer now having spread to the bones. The tumour had eaten
away at so much of the collarbone that only a thin layer of normal
bone was left and this is what had cracked. So the cancer is now in
the lymph nodes, muscle and bones. Gurudeva's left arm is now in a
sling and it is unlikely it will heal. He currently has limited
movement in the left side of the body due to the fracture of the
collarbone and his amputation. He feels that he is going to leave much
sooner than we all expected or hoped for. He has cut down on lot of
his previous treatments but is continuing with a few simple things to
try and slow down the cancer in order to settle a few loose ends.
Gurudeva gave a beautiful and powerful class today in DC from his new
book Beggar 4 - Die before Dying which will be available in 6 weeks.
The class will be available to listen to on Monday on www.btswami.com
Gurudeva's internal meditation has become very deep and his
expressions of humility are heart rendering. His main concern after
the news was that he didn't want to be burden or disturbance to
anyone. He has so much deep love for everyone but he is concerned that
many of us will have a lot of difficulties in our devotional lives
during and after this transition. If we can try and take shelter of
eachother and ISKCON as a whole more, shelter of the holy names more
deeply and co operate with eachother better this would please him very
much. Gurudeva was saying in class today that the best way to keep
anyone alive is by following their instructions and exemplifying their
teachings not just individually but also as a community.
We thank you all for your continuing intense prayers and love - they
are much needed at this time Yours in the Service of Guru and Gauranga
With Love Your aspiring Servant Citi-Sakti Devi Dasi
====================
10) Dear Puranjana Prabhu
Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila
Prabhupada!
Sankarsana is right in defeating the bogus philosophy of the IRM with
quotes from Srila Prabhupada. IRM say Srila Prabhupada never intended
his disciples to become diksa gurus, ever. Sankarsana has pointed out
that this is incorrect and he has proved it with Prabhupada quotes. He
is confusing the IRM philosophy with the philosophy of the
Prabhupadanugas. We have to make this clear distinction. IRM is just
another bogus group whose aims are political. They want to take over
the management of ISKCON. They have misinterpreted Prabhupada's
teachings to suit their own ends. Their misinterpretation may seem to
be better than ISKCON's misinterpretation, however, it is equally
bogus. I have said from the day I first read Krishna Kanta's "Final
Order" that any organization based on Krishna Kanta's philosophy will
fail. The IRM have done more damage than any other group in the
pushing on of Srila Prabhupada's movement.
They have destroyed the credibility of the ritvik system by presenting
misrepresentations of Prabhupada's teachings as the "ritvik"
philosophy. Yes. Srila Prabhupada established a ritvik system to
continue the initiations after he left his body, but at the same time
he instructed his disciples to become qualified diksa gurus and when
qualified he wanted them to preach and accept disciples. The order is
already there. Any one of Srila Prabhupada's disciples can accept that
order and become a pure unalloyed devotee of Krishna and preach and if
people come to him and want to become his students he can accept them.
That is diksa guru. But one has to be QUALIFIED first. We have
discussed this and the other points raised in this letter in great
detail in other articles.
[PADA: Correct, Srila Prabhupada says (for example on the May 28th
tape) that a future guru could be made "by my order," and yet the IRM
says Srila Prabhupada is forbidden from making "more orders" -- for
the next 10,000 years. He is dead and gone, same as the GBC
fool-osophy? Sorry, Srila Prabhupada never said he could only "give an
order" -- AFTER -- 10,000 years has passed? This is mental speculation
by the IRM. Srila Prabhupada neither say he would, or would not, give
this "order" under any time restrictions. This has created a problem
because whereas Srila Prabhupada says he can give an order to make
gurus, the IRM says he is forbidden to do so unless Srila Prabhupada
first gets "the order" from Krishna Kanta Desai to speak. So the IRM
has confused people over the actual instructions of His Divine Grace.]
* There is no question, it is Prabhupada's mission to create at least
one pure devotee of Krishna, hopefully many, who will be able to
preach, accept disciples and push on this Krishna consciousness
movement. Prabhupada has stated this himself many times using the
analogy of the Moon and the stars. He refers to a pure devotee of
Krishna as being like a Moon and mixed devotees as being like stars.
He says, "What is the use of so many stars in the presence of the one
Moon?" The full Moon can flood the earth with light. But the stars can
not do anything. So it is Prabhupada's mission to
create at least one Moon.
[PADA: Agreed, if Srila Prabhupada could have a nicely qualified,
actually pure representative, that would be better than the many
clowns, idyoots and ersatz Vishnupadas that have tried to pose as his
representatives artificially.]
* The IRM philosophy states that all the quotes in Prabhupada's books
referring to becoming a guru are only talking about becoming siksa
guru and that Prabhupada never intended any of his devotees to become
qualified diksa gurus at all.
[PADA: Yes, the IRM has twisted the shastra. Srila Prabhupada never
said he only wanted his disciples to advance to the level of shiksha
gurus, and not advance beyond that point? Where does he say that? We
have challenged the IRM to produce specific quotes about this and --
there are none.]
* They believe Prabhupada had no intension whatsoever that any of his
disciples would ever become like the full Moon that illuminates the
dark night. Rather they want all Prabhupada's devotees to remain stars
who can do nothing at all to illuminate the darkness of this
Kali-yuga. So IRM are trying to frustrate Prabhupada's mission by
claiming that Prabhupada did not want any of his disciples to become
self-effulgent Vaisnava acaryas at all. Rather, according to the IRM,
we should all remain useless mixed devotees, useless stars who can do
nothing to help anyone... Like the glowworms that can show some
shining power in the dark night but are completely useless during the
day in the presence of the Sun.
[PADA: Well yes, but we also should be careful not under-emphasize the
role of the neophytes too much, and discourage them as being
"useless." If they combine together and work nicely, they can do a lot
of good preaching, and be quite "useful," but only providing that they
are sincerely worshipping the bona fide acharya by the system he
established. For example, the followers of Lord Jesus Christ are not
pure either, but they have spread his name and glories all over the
planet by their working combinedly and "cooperating." Srila Prabhupada
DOES in FACT order his neophyte followers to do just that, "cooperate
and preach together nicely." So the neophytes can do something, by
combined efforts, and Srila Prabhupada said "your love for me will be
shown how you cooperate together." At the same time, it is always
better to have a professor give the class lecture than a student.]
* Sankarsana has quite rightly pointed out some of the bogus aspects
of the IRM philosophy and he is confusing this with the philosophy of
the Prabhupadanugas. IRM followers are KrsnaKantanugas, followers of
Krsna Kant, not Prabhupadanugas. We should make that very clear. Chant
Hare Krishna and be happy! Your servant Madhudvisa dasa
=========================
11) Lessons in ISKCON Denial
On 06 Feb. 2005, Urmila posted a letter at Chakra.org, which was a
list of gurukula meetings held in ISKCON in the 1980s. She thought the
information vindicated the organization because there was no
discussion of child abuse in the meetings, ergo it must not have been
going on. Unfortunately, at least half of the men attending the
meetings were alleged child abusers or conspirators to cover up the
child abuse:
Jagadisha
Dharudhara
Sri Rama
Dwarkanatha
Bhurijana
Rupa Vilasa
Manihara
Ananta Rupa
Raghunatha
Muralivadaka
Find statements about these individuals from the victims at these two
pages:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/black/childabu.htm
http://surrealist.org/gurukula/children.html
The Office of Child Protection may have records on even more of the
attendees.
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Personal witness account of Jayapataka’s character (from his female
disciple)
He (Jayapataka) is violent, I saw him beat a devotee round the face
whilst on the Calcutta Rath Cart, he thought it was his disciple but
it turned out to be his godbrother... I witnessed him give orders for
gangs of fiery brahmacaris to go and sort various problems out... He
threatened to "spill my blood" for humbly expressing doubts over the
contradictory behaviour I had seen, at first he said he couldn’t
remember anything then looking into my eyes pitifully told me he
thinks he has Alzheimer’s and doesn’t know what’s going on anymore...
He is regularly dishonest, to many instances to write about here, but
one example hails from our waiting in line at the airport whereupon he
lets rip with a huge **** everyone in the place turned to look at him,
his immediate reaction was to glare at me in a shaming and blaming
way.... he would fly into hellish rages and accuse those around of
causing all sorts of problems for which he was responsible... There
are many more examples of heartless and cruel behaviour regarding
Jayapataka, all of which I personally witnessed, [no need for hearsay
and rumour for me to fully realize he is not quite the pure devotee he
would have us believe].
I don’t think they all need listing, maybe if comes to court,
something like Nurenburg, I will be there. His main thing is psychic
vampirism, a major method is public shaming, he would do this in
crowded airports sometimes screaming and baring his teeth like a
monster or at least in front of a group of devotees, such as in New
Talavan where he shamed an innocent young girl for not bowing down
before him "what’s up ******* don’t you pay your obeisance’s to
Sannyasi any more" he said it so mean, and all the other devotees give
her disgusted threatening looks, this was a young child standing
outside her home just watching the devotees go by.
His idea of healing the problems devotees have in their relationships
was to side with one party and gang up on the other so there is, so to
speak, a winner, he just caused more trouble wherever he went... One
last thing to finish it for me, was when I tried to forget it all and
take it as my own faultfinding. I returned to Mayapur in the late 90s
to get "purified", he was giving class [no matter what the original
topic was he would only harp on about his right to be worshiped]
I was sitting to his side when it appeared that his features had
changed, and he looked a bit scary, as soon as this entered my mind he
stopped speaking and slowly turned to face me, this I swear is no
exaggeration, his face was fully demonic and filled with wrath, it
even changed colour and became grey with red eyes, he knew I could see
him and didn’t seem to like it at all. I wasn’t really phased with his
glaring rage and thought of him as a real unfortunate who has got
himself in a right tangle. I am sure that one will not hold up in
court.... but I believe I had real darshan... what would Omkara or
Acharya or Mahatma do after such experiences? would they still follow
blindly? or could they perhaps face the truth that these people are
posing as gurus and pure devotees while reaping a terrible carnage in
the hearts and lives of sincere souls? they are the greatest
********s.
It is all there right in your face. Do you really not get it! Like you
guys, many of the Bengali devotees consider him the Acharya of Iskcon,
he does not seem to mind that misconception at all, they also think he
is selflessly travelling and preaching the science of KC all over the
world, not true. He plays this role as his image of a world acharya,
when in fact one of the main reasons he travels outside of Mayapur and
India is to keep away from those natives in his zone, because, quote
"they drive me craaazzy" and collect more money and unwitting
disciples to enforce his own little deluded empire.
He takes complete advantage of the natural devotional nature of the
Bengalis to live out this grandiose delusional fantasy without a care
in the world as to his own madness [I for one am convinced he is
seriously in need of psychological help]. Devotees sometimes cite his
service history as proof of his divines, not it seems realizing that
there are many other unsung heroes who worked harder and more
devotionally than him on those very projects he takes so much credit
for. The difference is, they are humble vaisnavas and therefore shun
any wonderful displays of "specialness" and showbottleism within the
society of devotees.
By nature he seems to be a ruthless politician at heart and would
think nothing of having someone beaten or [if he thought he could get
away with it] killed if they stand between him and his fame, even
those who now defend him or similar regimes. He comes first, he has to
be the biggest best and baddest, or he gets very upset indeed, he runs
on image, take that out of the picture all you have left is some one
in severe need of clinical attention. Am I straying from the facts
here?? This is 14 years on for me and I am still disturbed and
troubled. The GBC etc. know all this and much, much more but still he
reigns. What a f*****up useless cult.
Last night I had a dream of Jayapataka [it inspired me to post again]
he came calling at my place in a travelling Vyasasana mobile [really]
and wanted me to go with him again, I agreed thinking "wow my guru has
come for me personally", I went to get my things from my room and
found a whole flock of birds had come in through the window, all types
really colour full and lively, in particular there where lots of
humming bird types, so beautiful and delicate... they allowed me to
catch some of them to show to Jayapataka, I held them carefully in my
closed palms and was just about to reveal them to Jayapataka, when he
quickly and forcefully blew on my hands, all the life energy which I
felt fluttering and vibrating in my palms left. As I opened them all
that remained where lifeless and featherless bodies... (any dream
analysts out there?) maybe more later.... yours, desiring love and
peace... sri fruitcake apada
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Dasdasi: I think your dream is pretty obvious even from the dream
itself as well as everything you said in both your posts. Certainly
you know you should never go anywhere with JP either in body or mind.
In your dream he killed those birds in your hands just by blowing. If
he could blow them to death what would happen if you got any closer?
Stay away from Jayapataka and some of the other ones as well. Some of
them put up good external shows but inside they are just like
Jayapataka.
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Omkara: the anecdotes you have mentioned all sound very out of
character to me and borderline delusional. I don't believe them.
Really? how much personal experience do you have to be such an expert
on his character? as for my borderline delusions, I would say they
where mostly confined to accepting false gurus [3 altogether] and
thinking the upper echelons gave a flying f---- about my spiritual
well being, please clarify which anecdotes seem delusional and I may
clarify in return, don’t forget Jayapataka at least at one time had
more faith in tantric ghost busting to solve just about any problem
than in the holy name, however, since they are your personal
recollections, the only one I can attest to be wrong is
... he was giving class [no matter what the original topic was he
would only harp on about his right to be worshiped]---- how can you
attest? where you there? I was referring to a specific time period,
the same time period when he led a march of around 300 'disciples' on
the temple in Mayapur when his right to be worshipped was in question
by the GBC, also in this same period he read out, somewhat
resentfully, an apology from the GBC concerning the original 11
admitting they had committed 'the greatest offence to the devotees of
Iskcon' this was just after Harikesh split with a ton of $$$ and the
heat was on. Its not a lie, I don’t need to print lies, I am making a
great effort in my life to live with truth. Its not easy for us to do
that, but I do realise if I lie about such serious things I am setting
myself up for more torment. This is an obvious lie. (yeah, I'm sure
all he did in every class was talk about how he should be worshipped.
That sounds real credible.) I suspect that the rest of what you have
written is equally motivated.
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What I have written about Jayapataka is motivated by what? Truth and
freedom are my motivational aspirations. If I can be supportive of
those with similar directions by exposing blatant hypocrisy then I
feel satisfied, I have seen some of my friends go crazy, kill
themselves and come to hate with a vengeance the cult which fu***d
them up, so much they need to take medication to keep there sanity.
You may be living in a bit of denial if you don’t mind me saying such,
denigrating others pain by dismissing them as delusional liars is on
par with the hurtful cult dynamics currently employed in Iskcon, what
exactly is your motivation?
Regarding my experience of seeing Jayapataka as demon-like for a few
moments - I don’t see him as full blown demon specifically incarnating
to disrupt Srila Prabhupada’s mission. He was a young extremely
intelligent man with great [material] future ahead of him he gave it
all up after reading about Buddha and was on route to India when he
met the devotees and surrendered to SP, he applied himself as only he
can in a focussed obsessive way, then one day he was told he was a
guru [not by SP though] so he applies himself to that in similar 100%
fashion.
His whole id is that of guru on the same level of Srila Prabhupada.
Now that unfortunately, is delusional. The stresses and strains of
maintaining that particular illusion and receiving and expecting
massive lavish worship would warp any sane mind no matter how smart,
is it not? His demonic visage which I glimpsed in all its wrath was, I
believe a manifestation of extreme attachment, threatening any who
would challenge, and its sort of understandable to me, that’s why I
consider him as "in a right tangle" that’s what happens to all of us
when we are implicated in deception, no doubt, this is nature how
things work.
Omkara do you think I am the only 'servant' to have witnessed these
things and rejected him as a guru? Do you have idea of the turnover
rate of his disciples? I personally do not hate Jayapataka or any one
[I don’t think] I have seen the man behind the madness and I could
really get on with him, but at the moment I consider him trapped in
false world. As I have ventured to speak my mind in all honesty please
refrain from replying with more insults and perhaps furnish us with
your personal experience and again, your motivations. yours, desiring
love and peace... sri fruitcake apada
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Dear Puranjana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP.
I'm trying to find out the legal name, address, phone number, and
email
address of Bir Krishna Maharaja's midget "disciple" of New York Jewish
background, "Gopal Dasa". I've heard that he is living in Los Angeles,
and
making a living as a Hollywood movie actor. If any of your readers
knows
even one of these bits of information, please ask him/her to contact
me.
Also, I need to know where he was between March 4 and March 23, 2005.
Do you know anyone in Los Angeles who might know him.
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa (praty...@hotmail.com)
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