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Why Human Beings Are So Special - by Swami Dayanand Saraswati

use...@mantra.comand/orwww.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:21:05 UT

Why Human Beings Are So Special

By Swami Dayanand Saraswati
June 14, 2013

It is said that a human birth is not easy to achieve. And
once you have this human body, you are no longer in the
hands of nature. You now have the rare capacity, called
free will, to initiate a further process of evolution. An

(IVÁN): YESHUA (JESUS) WILL MEET YOU TODAY IN SALVATION HOLINESS ABOVE THE ROCK:

ivanvalar...@gmail.com — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:02:36 UT

Sábado, 15 de Junio, año 2013 de Nuestro Salvador Jesucristo, Guayaquil, Ecuador -Iberoamérica

(Cartas del cielo son escritas por Iván Valarezo)

Feliz Día del Padre 2013 a todas nuestras familias ecuatorianas y de las naciones del mundo entero, en este día célebre que nuestro Padre celestial nos ha entregado para recordarlo a Él, y también a nuestro padre que nos engendró en este mundo.

Karkal: Newly-Elected MLA Sunil Kumar Felicitates Astrologer Vedamurti B K Vignesh Bhat

use...@mantra.comand/orwww.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:02:17 UT

Karkal: Newly-Elected MLA Sunil Kumar Felicitates
Astrologer Vedamurti B K Vignesh Bhat

By Pundalika Marate
Bellevision Media Network

Karkal, 22 May 2013: The newly-elected MLA Sunil Kumar
felicitated astrologer Vedamurti B K Vigneshwar Bhat of
Durgaparameshwari temple, Belman, here during the

Re: Great Vegetarians

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:09:01 UT

Your selective editing is quite tiresome, Jesper. Here's the full
quote:

"Let us not forget that human knowledge and skills alone cannot lead
humanity to a happy and dignified life. Humanity has every reason to
place the proclaimers of high moral standards and values above the
discoverers of objective truth. What humanity owes to personalities

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:41:55 UT

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:03:01 -0400, raven1

"What humanity owes to personalities like Buddha, Moses, and Jesus
ranks for me higher than all the achievements of the inquiring and
constructive mind." --Albert Einstein

Have a look at my art -

[link] - Evolution
[link] - Buddha Bar

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:40:55 UT

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:03:01 -0400, raven1

"What humanity owes to personalities like Buddha, Moses, and Jesus
ranks for me higher than all the achievements of the inquiring and
constructive mind." --Albert Einstein

Have a look at my art -

[link] - Evolution
[link] - Buddha Bar

Re: Great Vegetarians

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:03:01 UT

By that last part, he meant you, Jesper...

"The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense
of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well
as all serious endeavor in art and science. He who never had this
experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense

(IVÁN): YESHUA (JESUS) WILL MEET YOU TODAY IN SALVATION HOLINESS ABOVE THE ROCK:

ivanvalar...@gmail.com (valarezo) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:02:21 UT

Sábado, 15 de Junio, año 2013 de Nuestro Salvador Jesucristo,
Guayaquil, Ecuador -Iberoamérica

(Cartas del cielo son escritas por Iván Valarezo)

Feliz Día del Padre 2013 a todas nuestras familias ecuatorianas y de
las naciones del mundo entero, en este día célebre que nuestro Padre
celestial nos ha entregado para recordarlo a Él, y también a nuestro

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:37:44 UT

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:24:41 -0400, raven1

"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes
convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a
spirit vastly superior to that of man...In this way the pursuit of
science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is

Re: Great Vegetarians

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:24:41 UT

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that. Jesper, you have just
set a new standard of insanity, even for you. So are you saying that
all of QM is wrong? Are you claiming that you have some understanding
of it that scientists don't? Are you pretending that you know the
first thing about it? Or are you just contemptuously dismissing people

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:12:09 UT

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:34:20 -0700, Christopher A. Lee

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein

Have a look at my art -

[link] - Evolution
[link] - Buddha Bar

Re: Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:09:44 UT

You do what you like. That's the liberty God has given you. But once
you have performed an action you are bound to the reaction. The law of
karma dictates that the pain and suffering your actions inflict on
other living entities, that same pain and suffering will come back to
you. It's as simple as that.

unresolved past life connections

dal...@nfld.com (David Dalton) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:53:23 UT

Years ago I believed that not only were there links
that were forged in this life (by touch and eye
contact between compatibles) that need to be resolved,
there also could be unresolved links from past lives.
And the strongest unresolved bonds are when the two
types overlap.

So does anyone on here believe that links in past

Re: Great Vegetarians

ca...@optonline.net (Christopher A. Lee) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:34:20 UT

[snip]

It's not just agriculture - I wonder about the energy footprint of
everything imported frond China.

Like the 99 cent re-useable bags we have to use because of local laws
prohibiting free bags at the checkout - made from recycled plastic
bottles in China.

Re: Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge

kni...@baawa.com — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:32:40 UT

If I want to eat Bacon, and I do, then killing the pig is part of
the process. Sorry pig. 'Th th th that's all folks!'

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:32:29 UT

You wish...

So now you want to equate the mass-murder of other living entities of
flesh and bone just like you and me with harvesting potatoes. hahaha

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989

The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:25:39 UT

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:28:24 -0400, raven1 squawked:

Do I have to remind you, Bird Twat, that the only thing you know about
QM is what you have heard from a bunch of idiots in white coats.
Besides, that's not even the point. The point is that Einstein was a
thoughtful person, not a rabid, anti-intellectual, brain-dead atheist

Re: Great Vegetarians

kni...@baawa.com — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:24:30 UT

Industrial agriculture's huge carbon footprint
On the other side of the equation, industrial agriculture -- the
practice currently employed by the majority of the developed world --
has a hugely negative impact on global warming. The U.S. food system
contributes nearly 20 percent of the nation's carbon dioxide

Re: Great Vegetarians

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:28:24 UT

Q.E.D., Jesper. You got it wrong. As has been noted. Einstein used the
notion of "God" or "the Old One" as a metaphor, not to denote belief
in a personal being. He was also notably WRONG in his dismissal of the
random aspects of QM. And you're an idiot for posting about Einstein
without knowing either of those facts, you pathetic bullshit artist.

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:12:58 UT

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:10:21 -0400, raven1

"Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me
that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not
really bring us closer to the secret of the 'Old One.' I, at any rate,
am convinced that He is not playing at dice."

Re: The Folly of Atheism

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:10:33 UT

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:06:34 -0400, raven1 squawked:

[link]

Have a look at my art -

[link] - Evolution
[link] - Buddha Bar
[link] - Friction
[link] - I am your soul

Re: Great Vegetarians

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:10:21 UT

Whatever Einstein believed, you'd get it wrong, you blithering
imbecile.

Re: The Folly of Atheism

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:06:34 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:44:57 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent

Jesper inevitably flees when he knows he's had his ass handed to him.
Even he figures it out, eventually.

Re: The Folly of Atheism

quoththera...@nevermore.com (raven1) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:04:59 UT

Brave Sir Jesper ran away, bravely ran away, away...

Re: The Folly of Atheism

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:41:12 UT

Only a complete fool would equate God with Santa Claus. The most
intelligent and thoughtful people - famous philosphers and great
thinkers - throughout history have discussed God and transcendence.
Have you ever heard about philosophers discussing Santa Claus? hahaha
complete idiot?

Look, you are predicted in the Bhagavad Gita - Krishna says:

Re: The Folly of Atheism

ca...@optonline.net (Christopher A. Lee) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:10:11 UT

The deluded who live in a fantasy world imagine normal people have the
problem.

Re: Babies and animals take gigantic leaps of faith -- Re: The Folly of Atheism

bil...@m.nu — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:27:29 UT

lame dood so lame

Re: The Folly of Atheism

bil...@m.nu — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:25:34 UT

oh that is where you are messing up you need to say that god is just
as real as santa and the tooth fairy they are both in the same class
of existense. If you believe in one you must believe in the other.
devils demons gods ghosts gouls goblins jesus santa the easter bunny
frodo tinkerbell THEY AREA ALL THE SAME. If you believe in one you

Re: The Folly of Atheism

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:17:52 UT

Not at all :) A statement like that has about the same significance
for me as that of autum leaves rattling in the wind...

[link]

Have a look at my art -

[link] - Evolution
[link] - Buddha Bar

Re: The Folly of Atheism

pers...@gmail.com (%) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:23:28 UT

do you feel noted

Re: The Folly of Atheism

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:10:59 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:35:41 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent

Note away :)

The experience of what is tangible and real in the world, is different
from person to person. For me, God is totally tangible and real,
whereas for others He is intangible and no more real than Santa Claus
or the Toothfairy.

Re: The Folly of Atheism

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:09:26 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:35:41 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent

Have a look at my art -

[link] - Evolution
[link] - Buddha Bar
[link] - Friction
[link] - I am your soul
[link] - Sudder street

Re: The Folly of Atheism

pers...@gmail.com (%) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:53:09 UT

no it wasn't

Re: The Folly of Atheism

pers...@gmail.com (%) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:52:40 UT

the noting of the noted note was noted by the noter as is was noted

Re: The Folly of Atheism

pers...@gmail.com (%) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:51:40 UT

i will not

Re: Babies and animals take gigantic leaps of faith -- Re: The Folly of Atheism

pers...@gmail.com (%) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:51:03 UT

did you add yourself as a zachy troll ,
i saw you trolling pretty good today

Re: The Folly of Atheism

godd...@fidemturbare.com (Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:47:39 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:50:37 -0500

Have you considered that Jahnu might be responding metaphorically with
an implication that you are his god? If this is the case, then his
apparent lack of respect for his god could also be a challenge to them.

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess

Re: The Folly of Atheism

godd...@fidemturbare.com (Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:44:57 UT

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:10:54 +0530

One of the many character flaws that Quoth The Raven didn't highly was
your occasional passive-aggressiveness.

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess
"This world has many crazy people. Their right to post [messages] does
not indicate they can write something sensible."

Re: The Folly of Atheism

godd...@fidemturbare.com (Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:35:41 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:58:01 +0530

Your refusal to satisfy your burden of proof is noted.

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Neither babies nor animals have the ability to discern the presence of
God in their lives."
-- Duke Earl J. Weber Lebourgeois, American-American (June 16, 2013)

Re: Babies and animals take gigantic leaps of faith -- Re: The Folly of Atheism

godd...@fidemturbare.com (Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:34:13 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:19:19 -0500

That classifies them as atheists. I've just added that to my
quotations file, by the way.

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Science: Questions that can be answered (falsifiability) and answers
that can be questioned (peer review)."
-- Erik Hogan

Re: The Folly of Atheism

godd...@fidemturbare.com (Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:31:32 UT

On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:57:48 +0530

I'll regard that as a "yes."

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind."
-- John F. Kennedy

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:07:23 UT

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989

The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Re: Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:06:16 UT

Because it is really good and decent human spirit to maintain
automated death-factories and killing other living entities by the
millions every day...

"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe', a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separate from the rest--a kind of optical

Re: Great Vegetarians

reverend_d...@ministerpants.com (Irreverend Dave) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:25:27 UT

The first time I ever saw it was on this sign. It's a steakhouse called
Saskatoon in South Carolina that specializes in wild game.

[link]

--
Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe,
but in proportion to their readiness to doubt - Ambrose Bierce

Re: Great Vegetarians

ca...@optonline.net (Christopher A. Lee) — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:27:15 UT

Jesper used a standard, dishonest mined quote.

When you read it in context, he was using religious language to
address a theological seminary, and had just taken the trouble to
explain what religion and God meant to him - and they were nothing
remotely resembling what the stupid theists who use that quote,

Re: Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge

kni...@baawa.com — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:10:39 UT

"Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans,
are a persistant irritant to any chef worth a damn. To me, life
without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even
stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegeterians are the enemy of
everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I

Re: Great Vegetarians

kni...@baawa.com — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:59:59 UT

"There's room for all of God's creatures - right next to the mashed
potatoes." - Unknown

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Re: Propane and Propane Accessories -- Re: Why be so rude?

pers...@gmail.com (Fidem) — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:40:54 UT

Propane and Propane Accessories -- Re: Why be so rude?

godd...@fidemturbare.com (Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess) — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:37:07 UT

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:53:01 -0700 (PDT)

...and Jahnu does go on quite a lot about vegetarianism, so that
barbeque likely gets a lot of use.

If it's propane, then it may be carcinogenically safer.

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess
"The boy ain't right I tell you h'what."

Re: Great Vegetarians

jahnud...@gmail.com (Jahnu) — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:48:51 UT

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:40:59 -0400, raven1

Whatever Einstein believed, he was not a rabid, blithering atheist
like you, Birdy. Contrary to you Einstein was not an anti-intellectual
scumbag who denied direct, observable facts like ID.

"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates