Atheism takes you straight to hell

[Jahnu]

Just as by executing various pious activities one achieves different
positions in heavenly life, by acting impiously one achieves
different positions in hellish life.

Those who are activated by the material mode of ignorance engage in
impious activities, and according to the extent of their ignorance,
they are placed in different grades of hellish life.

If one acts in the mode of ignorance because of madness, his
resulting misery is the least severe.

One who acts impiously but knows the distinction between pious and
impious activities is placed in a hell of intermediate severity.

And for one who acts impiously and ignorantly because of atheism, the
resultant hellish life is the worst.

Because of ignorance, every living entity has been carried by various
desires into thousands of different hellish planets since time
immemorial. I shall try to describe them as far as possible.

== Srimand Bhagavatam, 5.26.4

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[raven1]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:39:00 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Just as by executing various pious activities one achieves different
> positions in heavenly life, by acting impiously one achieves
>different positions in hellish life.

What position does one achieve by making ISKCON members look like
uneducated fools, Jesper? Wake up and smell the reality: your
combination of invincible ignorance and unwarranted arrogance is the
worst advertisement for Krishna imaginable.

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:39:00 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>Just as by executing various pious

The Smurf that thinks he knows everything uses the word 'pious'.

Irony has no limits.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:qqfpo8980g4b9burm...@4ax.com:

> Subject: Atheism takes you straight to hell

So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?

Idiot.

--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
BAAWA

AA Quotemeister

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[Budikka666]

Since you RAN like diarrhea when we asked yo to provide positive
scientific support for your bullshit religious claims, we can safely
dismiss everything you post as a cheap lie:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/5348d62ac3358230?hl=en&

Budikka

[Christopher A. Lee]

Just like the equally mentally ill Christians we get here who can't
live and let live either.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:20:18 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>What position does one achieve by making ISKCON members look like
>uneducated fools, Jesper? Wake up and smell the reality: your
>combination of invincible ignorance and unwarranted arrogance is the
>worst advertisement for Krishna imaginable.

Who do you think you are fooling? Your boundless prejudice will make
you think ISKCON is a brain-dead cult no matter what. Just see how
atheism has wasted your brain away.

"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --
they believe in anything." � -- �GK Chesterton

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[Jahnu]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:


>So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?

Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is, your
life becomes full of bliss. If you don't know you become an animal
simply living to gratify your senses.

The funny thing is that Hare Krishna is the only religion on the
planet that can tell you who God is, what He looks like, what His name
is, where He lives, what He does, why and how He has created the
world, who and what the soul is, and the meaning of all things.

Krishna says:

Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
doubt. (Bg 7.1)

[Les]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:15:36 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?
>
>Who gives a shit what you believe in?

You need one?

You have my sympathy for your discomfort. Constipation
is the last thing anybody wants.




--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

"When you are in a crowd and you stand out from the
crowd it's ususually because you are being carried on
the shoulders of others."
- Desmond Tutu

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uu6qo81ivg1418ms9...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?
>
> Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is, your
> life becomes full of bliss. If you don't know you become an animal
> simply living to gratify your senses.
>
> The funny thing is that Hare Krishna is the only religion on the
> planet that can tell you who God is, what He looks like, what His name
> is, where He lives, what He does, why and how He has created the
> world, who and what the soul is, and the meaning of all things.
>

Yup, I thought so.

[raven1]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:09:32 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:20:18 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>What position does one achieve by making ISKCON members look like
>>uneducated fools, Jesper? Wake up and smell the reality: your
>>combination of invincible ignorance and unwarranted arrogance is the
>>worst advertisement for Krishna imaginable.
>
>Who do you think you are fooling? Your boundless prejudice will make
>you think ISKCON is a brain-dead cult no matter what.

*ZING* went the point over your head as usual, Jesper. Whether or not
ISKCON is a brain-dead cult is neither here nor there, the point is
that an ignorant buffoon like you speaking for them can only hurt
their image. Shall I recount the sound thrashing you took in the
"Modern Science" thread last month, where you got literally everything
not just wrong, but laughably wrong, and ran away?

[raven1]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:15:36 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?
>
>Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is, your
>life becomes full of bliss.

You're a pretty arrogant prick for someone who's "full of bliss",
Jesper.

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:15:36 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Krishna says:

Yummy!

http://eugenia.queru.com/images3/pheasant.jpg

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 19:04:48 +0100, Les <l...@sharnt.tell> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:15:36 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?
>>
>>Who gives a shit what you believe in?
>
>You need one?
>
>You have my sympathy for your discomfort. Constipation
>is the last thing anybody wants.

Don't you believe it.

I had some Kentucky Fried the other evening and didn't dare go more
than a couple of yards from the loo for the next couple of days.

At least if I were constipated I could go to the store.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:08:33 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:uu6qo81ivg1418ms9...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?
>>
>> Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is, your
>> life becomes full of bliss. If you don't know you become an animal
>> simply living to gratify your senses.
>>
>> The funny thing is that Hare Krishna is the only religion on the
>> planet that can tell you who God is, what He looks like, what His name
>> is, where He lives, what He does, why and how He has created the
>> world, who and what the soul is, and the meaning of all things.
>
>Yup, I thought so.

The in-your-face, brainwashed moron needs to get out more.

[Olrik]

Le 2013-05-10 14:24, raven1 a �crit :

You've misspelled �shit�.

HTH. HAND.

> Jesper.
>


--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:23:02 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>*ZING* went the point over your head as usual, Jesper. Whether or not
>ISKCON is a brain-dead cult is neither here nor there, the point is
>that an ignorant buffoon like you speaking for them can only hurt
>their image. Shall I recount the sound thrashing you took in the
>"Modern Science" thread last month, where you got literally everything
>not just wrong, but laughably wrong, and ran away?

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5870642893248330290

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 12:32:33 -0700, Christopher A. Lee
<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>Don't you believe it.

Of course. I believe in knowledge. I know who God is.

>I had some Kentucky Fried the other evening and didn't dare go more
>than a couple of yards from the loo for the next couple of days.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:24:21 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>You're a pretty arrogant prick for someone who's "full of bliss",
>Jesper.

I'm superior to you in everything, hence also in being arrogant. The
difference between you and me is that I have somehting to be arrogant
about.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 00:06:59 -0400, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Le 2013-05-10 14:24, raven1 a écrit :
>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 18:15:36 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell? Lemme guess. Yours?
>>>
>>> Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is, your
>>> life becomes full of bliss.
>>
>> You're a pretty arrogant prick for someone who's "full of bliss",
>
>You've misspelled «shit».
>
>HTH. HAND.
>
>> Jesper.

The seriously mentally ill, in-your-face, sociopathic stalker clearly
gives a shit what we do or don't believe in, because he is obsessed
with us for not believing what he does.

Why can't his fellow Hari Krishnas keep him under better control? Do
they honestly not care how big an embarrassment he is to their
religion?

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 07:29:47 -0700, Christopher A. FLee wrote:

>The seriously mentally ill, in-your-face, sociopathic stalker clearly
>gives a shit what we do or don't believe in, because he is obsessed
>with us for not believing what he does.

hehe, listen to this whining, sniveling fool.

Srila Prabhupada says:

...you can understand by the one symptom. Just like pressing one rice
from the whole pot of the rice you can understand the rice is quite
all righ similarly, by one symptom you can understand who is a rascal,
by one symptom. What is that? Na mam prapadyante. He is not a devotee
of Krsna...?

He's a rascal. That's all. Immediately you take it without any
consideration that anyone who is not devotee of Krsna, who is not
prepared to surrender to Krsna, he's a rascal. That's all. This is our
conclusion. Thank you very much.

Hare Krsna.

(Lecture, Bhagavad-gita 7.5) -- Nairobi, November 1, 1975

[Father Haskell]

On May 10, 5:39 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just as by executing various pious activities one achieves different
>  positions in heavenly life, by acting impiously one achieves
> different  positions in hellish life.

You know something's bullshit when they have to
threaten you to make you buy it.

[Father Haskell]

On May 10, 12:15 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
> >So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell?  Lemme guess.  Yours?
>
> Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is,

Invented in the image of the person who created him.

Whenever you worship a god, you worship the person who
created him, by proxy.

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:57:00 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Invented in the image of the person who created him.

Religion and some concept of God have always been part of humanity.
You cannot point to a time when the concept of God was created. To say
that God was created by man is just wishful thinking engaged in by the
less intelligent.

>Whenever you worship a god, you worship the person who
>created him, by proxy.

Krishna says:

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these
kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. (Bg 2.12)

As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood
to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at
death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (Bg 2.13)

O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress,
and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and
disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense
perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them
without being disturbed. (Bg 2.14)

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:54:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>You know something's bullshit when they have to
>threaten you to make you buy it.

Who is threatening? The Vedas are just explaining to you the result of
your different activities. If you think you will not have to suffer
for the wanton slaughter of other living entities by the culture you
are a mindless product of, you are in for a grim surprise. That's not
a threat, that's a promise.

Krishna says:

Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)

Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I
perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various
demoniac species of life. (Bg. 16. 19)

Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)

There are three gates leading to this hell�lust, anger and greed.
Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation
of the soul. (Bg. 16.21)

The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunt�,
performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains
the supreme destination. (Bg. 16.22)

He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination. (Bg. 16.23)

One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by
the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations,
one should act so that he may gradually be elevated. (Bg. 16.24)

[raven1]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 15:45:20 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:24:21 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>You're a pretty arrogant prick for someone who's "full of bliss",
>>Jesper.
>
>I'm superior to you in everything

ROTFLMAO! Jesper, with the possible exception of self-delusion, you
not only aren't "superior" to anyone at anything, you're not even
minimally competent at anything. Wake up and smell the reality, loser.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[raven1]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 17:36:13 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 May 2013 07:29:47 -0700, Christopher A. FLee wrote:
>
>>The seriously mentally ill, in-your-face, sociopathic stalker clearly
>>gives a shit what we do or don't believe in, because he is obsessed
>>with us for not believing what he does.
>
>hehe, listen to this whining, sniveling fool.
>
>Srila Prabhupada says:
>
>...you can understand by the one symptom. Just like pressing one rice
>from the whole pot of the rice you can understand the rice is quite
>all righ similarly, by one symptom you can understand who is a rascal,
>by one symptom. What is that? Na mam prapadyante. He is not a devotee
>of Krsna...?
>
>He's a rascal. That's all. Immediately you take it without any
>consideration that anyone who is not devotee of Krsna, who is not
>prepared to surrender to Krsna, he's a rascal. That's all. This is our
>conclusion. Thank you very much.

Typical cult indoctrination technique, used by everyone from the
Moonies to the Branch Davidians to ISKCON: "anyone who isn't one of us
is the enemy". Whom are you trying to impress with that, Jesper? Or do
you seriously not recognize that telling the truth about how your cult
operates is the worst thing you could do to advertise for them?

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:00:46 -0400, raven1 squawked:

>ROTFLMAO! Jesper, with the possible exception of self-delusion, you
>not only aren't "superior" to anyone at anything, you're not even
>minimally competent at anything. Wake up and smell the reality, loser.

Here is the irrefutable argument that Atheism is anti-intellectual and
makes you stupid.

Atheism is the belief that there are no gods. In other words, it is a
belief that cannot be verified. It is impossible to prove there is no
God. By definition, you cannot prove a negative. So atheism is a
totally blind belief, that cannot be verified. Who, but a less
intelligent idiot, would believe in something blindly?

On the other hand, a theist, at least theoretically, has the
possibility to have his faith in God verified. God, if He exists, can
certainly prove His own existence beyond doubt. So theists are
intellectually better situated than atheists because they believe in
something that has the possibility of verification.

Thus theists are fundamentally more intelligent than atheists.

Now, some atheist might ask, if God can verify Himself, why doesn't He
do so to me? And here is the answer that God gives in the Bhagavad
Gita:

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg. 7.25)

Somebody might think, but this is hard-hearted of God. But when you
think about it, it is actually not. It is rather very benevolent of
God. Atheism is actually not a matter of evidence of this and proof of
that. That is a total BS idea. For someone who has the eyes to see,
this whole world is proof of an intelligent, Supreme Designer.
Obviously, nobody is an atheist out of a lack of proof of God.

To be an atheist or a theist is simply a matter of choice. Atheism is
a choice you make when you don't want God in your life. It's as simple
as that. Most religions have no real good explanation for why somebody
would not want God in his life, but the Vedic version predicts this.
God is the Supreme Enjoyer, and the soul is meant for His enjoyment.
But if the soul wants to imitate God and become an independent
enjoyer, Krishna then gives the material world as their field of
activity.

So all of us, whether we call ourselves Xtians, atheists, Buddhists,
Hare Krishnas or whatever, are all fallen souls, who have fallen down
into the material world to become enjoyers and controllers. If we
actually knew the truth - that Krishna is the only enjoyer and
controller - we wouldn't be able to live out the illusion of being
independent enjoyers and controllers. So Krishna mercifully keeps the
fallen souls in ignorance. It is out of respect for the deluded soul's
wishes, that Krishna stays away from Him. When an atheist has a very
strong conviction that there is no God, it is Krishna Who sits in his
heart and makes that conviction strong.

Krishna says:

I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance,
knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known.
Indeed, I am the compiler of Ved�nta, and I am the knower of the
Vedas. (Bg. 15.15)

So the only way a fallen soul will ever again see God, is by asking
Him for it. As long as the basic desire is there, to not have anything
to do with God, Krishna will stay far away from such a soul, and He
will offer oceans of good reasons to not believe in Him. So when
atheists ask for evidence and proof of God, it is all lies. There is
nothing that a die-hard atheist wants less than proof of God. Proof of
God is the last thing he wants.

So anyone who wants to know God beyond doubt will certainly do
whatever is necessary to accomplish that. And the fist thing one must
do to see God is give up one's atheistic mentality and develop a
genuine desire to see God. If you wish to see God, you'll follow the
method of how to see Him. That's obvious.

Krishna says:

Now hear, O son of Pritha, how by practicing yoga in full

consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in

full, free from doubt. (Bg. 7.1)

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:06:51 -0400, raven1 squawked:

>Typical cult indoctrination technique, used by everyone from the
>Moonies to the Branch Davidians to ISKCON: "anyone who isn't one of us
>is the enemy". Whom are you trying to impress with that, Jesper? Or do
>you seriously not recognize that telling the truth about how your cult
>operates is the worst thing you could do to advertise for them?

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970986309718482

[casey]

On 12 May, 05:03, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> Atheism is the belief that there are no gods. In other words, it is a
> belief that cannot be verified. It is impossible to prove there is no
> God. By definition, you cannot prove a negative. So atheism is a
> totally blind belief, that cannot be verified. Who, but a less
> intelligent idiot, would believe in something blindly?

Shifting the Burden of Proof?

> On the other hand, a theist, at least theoretically, has the
> possibility to have his faith in God verified. God, if He exists, can
> certainly prove His own existence beyond doubt. So theists are
> intellectually better situated than atheists because they believe in
> something that has the possibility of verification.

Pascal’s Wager?

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:djmto89a371nqetta...@4ax.com:

> Religion and some concept of God have always been part of humanity.

So have ignorance and a pathological need to be governed.

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:u51vo8t4tihe3k9d4...@4ax.com:

>>ROTFLMAO! Jesper, with the possible exception of self-delusion, you
>>not only aren't "superior" to anyone at anything, you're not even
>>minimally competent at anything. Wake up and smell the reality, loser.
>
> Here is the irrefutable argument that Atheism is anti-intellectual and
> makes you stupid.
>
> Atheism is the belief that there are no gods.

See? You're not superior to anyone. You don't even know what an atheist
is, so you insert a strawman to do the arguing for you. Pussy.

[raven1]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:03:40 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:00:46 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>ROTFLMAO! Jesper, with the possible exception of self-delusion, you
>>not only aren't "superior" to anyone at anything, you're not even
>>minimally competent at anything. Wake up and smell the reality, loser.
>
>Here is the irrefutable argument that Atheism is anti-intellectual and
>makes you stupid.

So you say, Jesper. As usual, it will prove to be quite the opposite,
and wind up exposing your own ignorance.Let's proceed...

>Atheism is the belief that there are no gods.

No, it's the response "I don't believe you" to theist claims of gods.
It's also the default logical position until someone demonstrates that
any gods exist.

>In other words, it is a
>belief that cannot be verified. It is impossible to prove there is no
>God. By definition, you cannot prove a negative.

<facepalm>

That's why the burden of proof rests entirely on the theist, Jesper.
As always, you have no idea what you're talking about.

> So atheism is a
>totally blind belief, that cannot be verified.

No, it's a rejection of theism, because it has not been verified.

>Who, but a less
>intelligent idiot, would believe in something blindly?

You, for one.

>On the other hand, a theist, at least theoretically, has the
>possibility to have his faith in God verified.

It's also theoretically possible to have faith in dragons, unicorns,
nose goblins, and the monster under your bed verified, but it takes a
special kind of imbecile to believe in them in the absence of such
verification.

> God, if He exists, can
>certainly prove His own existence beyond doubt.

Yet he doesn't. If he did there would be no atheists, Jesper.

>So theists are
>intellectually better situated than atheists because they believe in
>something that has the possibility of verification.

<facepalm>

So believing in a claim for which there is no evidence is
intellectually preferable to rejecting it? You must be the most
gullible person ever born, Jesper.

[raven1]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:05:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:06:51 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>Typical cult indoctrination technique, used by everyone from the
>>Moonies to the Branch Davidians to ISKCON: "anyone who isn't one of us
>>is the enemy". Whom are you trying to impress with that, Jesper? Or do
>>you seriously not recognize that telling the truth about how your cult
>>operates is the worst thing you could do to advertise for them?
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970986309718482

"No" would have been a more succinct response, Jesper.

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:vroso81t6fr9hc1of...@4ax.com:

>>The seriously mentally ill, in-your-face, sociopathic stalker clearly
>>gives a shit what we do or don't believe in, because he is obsessed
>>with us for not believing what he does.
>
> hehe, listen to this whining, sniveling fool.

If what Chris said is not correct, post a rebuttal to convince us he's
wrong.

Insults just make us nod our heads and whisper amongst ourselves.

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), casey
<jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Shifting the Burden of Proof?

Just telling how it is - if there is a God it can be proven, if there
is no God it cannot be proven. It's as simple as that. That's why it's
less intelligent to be an atheist - you believe in something that
cannot be verfied.

Krishna says:

Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness

of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from

doubt. (Bg 7.1)

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:58:02 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>So have ignorance and a pathological need to be governed.

You mean, like you, being governed by a diseased mind?

Krishna says:

One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg 6.5)

For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg 6.6)

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:07:47 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>If what Chris said is not correct, post a rebuttal to convince us he's
>wrong.

So, some retard asserts you are a sociopath, and therefore he is
right?

---but, but he is right because we all agree with him...

hahaha :)

>Insults just make us nod our heads and whisper amongst ourselves.

So, a bunch of less intelligent, anti-intellectual retards nod their
heads and whisper amongst themselves, and that's supposed to mean
something? Is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness?

hahaha :)

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5870642903907089298

[raven1]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:09:08 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 May 2013 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT), casey
><jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Shifting the Burden of Proof?
>
>Just telling how it is

Yes, that you have no idea how logic works. We already knew that,
Jesper.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:07:47 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:vroso81t6fr9hc1of...@4ax.com:
>
>>>The seriously mentally ill, in-your-face, sociopathic stalker clearly
>>>gives a shit what we do or don't believe in, because he is obsessed
>>>with us for not believing what he does.
>>
>> hehe, listen to this whining, sniveling fool.
>
>If what Chris said is not correct, post a rebuttal to convince us he's
>wrong.
>
>Insults just make us nod our heads and whisper amongst ourselves.

And confirm that the seriously mentally ill, in-your-face, sociopathic

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:58:02 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:djmto89a371nqetta...@4ax.com:
>
>> Religion and some concept of God have always been part of humanity.
>
>So have ignorance and a pathological need to be governed.

Actually, they haven't - humans had to exist before gods and religion
were invented.

[raven1]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:20:39 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:07:47 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>If what Chris said is not correct, post a rebuttal to convince us he's
>>wrong.
>
>So, some retard asserts you are a sociopath, and therefore he is
>right?

Wow, did you just have a breakthrough there, Jesper? The burden of
proof is on the positive claimant, not the skeptic. This applies
equally to your claims of god. Nice "own goal", retard.

[raven1]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:13:13 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:58:02 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>So have ignorance and a pathological need to be governed.
>
>You mean,

He means like you, Jesper: ignorant as a stump, and subservient to
your cult.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:26:29 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:20:39 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:07:47 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If what Chris said is not correct, post a rebuttal to convince us he's
>>>wrong.
>>
>>So, some retard asserts you are a sociopath, and therefore he is
>>right?
>
>Wow, did you just have a breakthrough there, Jesper? The burden of
>proof is on the positive claimant, not the skeptic. This applies
>equally to your claims of god. Nice "own goal", retard.

That he is a sociopath is obvious from his behaviour here.

[Mike Duffy]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2ecvo817sr4l0h5qn...@4ax.com:

> now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness?

It is never too late for you to come to your senses.


> Have a look at my art ...

You must understand that there is no plausable way that your art can
augment the veracity of your theological aguments. Why do you always
reference your art in your theological postings?

Surely is could not be vanity? My website (which I always put as a singular
URL in my signature) has poetry, programming, puns, dreams, a photo
gallery, nonfiction, and even an original science fiction story.

But you don't see me yapping about it every time I post to usenet. I
understand that continually bringing attention to those parts of my web-
site would be vain. So I temper my exhuberance by putting just one (1) URL
after a single line of "--", in order to comply with acceptables norms for
usenet postings. (i.e. users may program their readers to suppress material
after the "--". This functionality is described in general documentation
regarding usenet posting etiquette.)

Vanity is a half-step from exhibitionism. And I'll bet that wearing a
simple robe makes it easy to "accidentally" air out your mizzenmast.

Where will it end, Janhu? Will you be changing your ISP to the local prison
system, or will you stop telling us about your art?

--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <osbvo81vm0m8bi27r...@4ax.com>,

raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:05:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:06:51 -0400, raven1 squawked:
> >
> >>Typical cult indoctrination technique, used by everyone from the
> >>Moonies to the Branch Davidians to ISKCON: "anyone who isn't one of us
> >>is the enemy". Whom are you trying to impress with that, Jesper? Or do
> >>you seriously not recognize that telling the truth about how your cult
> >>operates is the worst thing you could do to advertise for them?
> >
> >https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970986309718482
>
> "No" would have been a more succinct response, Jesper.

What the heck is that picture supposed to be? It looks like something a
clever 7-year old would do, not an adult.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Uncle Vic]

On 12 Mai, 21:53, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <osbvo81vm0m8bi27rqsqvr4hpaegf08...@4ax.com>,
>
>  raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:

> > On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:05:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:06:51 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
> > >>Typical cult indoctrination technique, used by everyone from the
> > >>Moonies to the Branch Davidians to ISKCON: "anyone who isn't one of us
> > >>is the enemy". Whom are you trying to impress with that, Jesper? Or do
> > >>you seriously not recognize that telling the truth about how your cult
> > >>operates is the worst thing you could do to advertise for them?
>

> > >https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#586997098630...

>
> > "No" would have been a more succinct response, Jesper.
>
> What the heck is that picture supposed to be? It looks like something a
> clever 7-year old would do, not an adult.
>
> --
>
> JD
>
> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

YOU TALK LIKE A CLAP WHORE! YOU GOT SYPH AND CLAP! WHORE!

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<f5687858-0eab-45ce...@12g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

Oh, lucky Uncle Vic's got a forger. Congrats.

[Richo]

On May 10, 7:39 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just as by executing various pious activities one achieves different
>  positions in heavenly life, by acting impiously one achieves
> different  positions in hellish life.
>
Superstitious nonsense.

"piety" is not a virtue.
Believing in nonsense is not a virtue. Ignorance is not a virtue.

One should seek to be virtuous
Compassion is the greatest virtue.

Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardson61ATgmailDOTcom

Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

-----------------------------------------------------

[Father Haskell]

On May 11, 8:10 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:54:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >You know something's bullshit when they have to
> >threaten you to make you buy it.
>
> Who is threatening?

Even more when they're denying it.

[Father Haskell]

On May 11, 8:02 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:57:00 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>
> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Invented in the image of the person who created him.

>
> Religion and some concept of God have always been part of humanity.

> You cannot point to a time when the concept of God was created. To say
> that God was created by man is just wishful thinking engaged in by the
> less intelligent.
>
> >Whenever you worship a god, you worship the person who
> >created him, by proxy.
>
> Krishna says:
>
> Never was there a time when I did not exist,

No gods exist unless there are suckers to believe in them.

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2ecvo817sr4l0h5qn...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:07:47 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>If what Chris said is not correct, post a rebuttal to convince us he's
>>wrong.
>
> So, some retard asserts you are a sociopath, and therefore he is
> right?

Do YOU think you are a sociopath?

>
> ---but, but he is right because we all agree with him...

If you don't agree, post a rebuttal. I don't see anything in this post
that resembles a rebuttal.

<snip>

[Uncle Vic]

Mike Duffy <Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote in
news:XnsA1BE8DE8CE2BEUs...@94.75.214.39:

>> Have a look at my art ...
>
> You must understand that there is no plausable way that your art can
> augment the veracity of your theological aguments. Why do you always
> reference your art in your theological postings?

So have a listen to my music, then, whilst I spew atheism. :-)

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:k6cvo89kq7pppee5e...@4ax.com:

>>So have ignorance and a pathological need to be governed.
>
> You mean, like you, being governed by a diseased mind?

Whoosh!

[Richo]

On May 12, 4:57 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 12:15 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:44 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
> > >So, which god do I believe in to avoid your hell?  Lemme guess.  Yours?
>
> > Who gives a shit what you believe in? If you know who God is,

>
> Invented in the image of the person who created him.
>

> Whenever you worship a god, you worship the person who
> created him, by proxy.

Now that's what wisdom looks like!

[Uncle Vic]

Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
news:hlwdjsd2-CBEFF6...@news.giganews.com:

>>
>> YOU TALK LIKE A CLAP WHORE! YOU GOT SYPH AND CLAP! WHORE!
>
>
> Oh, lucky Uncle Vic's got a forger. Congrats.
>

Thanks! <takes a bow>

Now please excuse me while I go eat some man shit or something. <G>

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:


>> >https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970986309718482

>
>What the heck is that picture supposed to be? It looks like something a
>clever 7-year old would do, not an adult.

Jesper steal art and manipulates it as his own. He's scrap booking
images using photoshop cut and paste. Hardly original art.

You should get ideas from art and then make your own. If you use
other people's work you should give them credit.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 02:10:39 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:54:45 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >You know something's bullshit when they have to
> >threaten you to make you buy it.
>

> Who is threatening? The Vedas are just explaining to you the result of
> your different activities. If you think you will not have to suffer
> for the wanton slaughter of other living entities by the culture you
> are a mindless product of, you are in for a grim surprise. That's not
> a threat, that's a promise.

With regards to threats, the mafia is far better-known for emphasizing
"consequences" too.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"To you, she's beautiful. To me, there's only my wife and son."
-- Vito Corleone (while watching an Italian opera)

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:20:34 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>Yes, that you have no idea how logic works. We already knew that,
>Jesper.

You forget that when it comes to knowledge, logic and reason I make
you look like a door-knob.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5862153821471761074

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:28:52 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>He means like you, Jesper: ignorant as a stump, and subservient to
>your cult.

In every country ISKCON is present, it is recognized as a bona fide
religion by the government, but in your feeble mind it is merely a
cult. Just see how you are subservient to prejudism and ignorance.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5863342250068962658

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 08:23:39 -0700, Christopher A. Lee
<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>Actually, they haven't - humans had to exist before gods and religion
>were invented.

As far as we can observe, gods and religion have always been part of
human society. You cannot point to a time in history when religion was
invented. That idea is just the wishful thinking of the less
intelligent. It has no bearing in observable reality.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5864408102099274578

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>What the heck is that picture supposed to be? It looks like something a
>clever 7-year old would do, not an adult.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5862153793080149650

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 20:16:54 -0700, kni...@baawa.com wrote:

> You should get ideas from art and then make your own. If you use
>other people's work you should give them credit.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5867970225739220226

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:56 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:

>You must understand that there is no plausable way that your art can
>augment the veracity of your theological aguments. Why do you always
>reference your art in your theological postings?

It's just my signature, nothing else. It's not mean to be veracity of
my theological postings. That should be pretty obvious, but thanks for
pointing it out, anyway :)

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5867970179928316882

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 19:17:18 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Do YOU think you are a sociopath?

No, I think I'm part of a social reform movement.

>If you don't agree, post a rebuttal. I don't see anything in this post
>that resembles a rebuttal.

I don't have to rebut someone who asserts I'm a sociopath. How would I
do that?

--no, no, I'm not a sociopath, wah wah...

Forget it. I'm here to rebut atheism, I'm not here ot refute the less
intelligent assertions of some fool.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5867970114909008306

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Richo
<m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Superstitious nonsense.
>
>"piety" is not a virtue.

Because you say so?

>Believing in nonsense is not a virtue. Ignorance is not a virtue.

Nobody ever suggested that.

>One should seek to be virtuous
>Compassion is the greatest virtue.

I take it you are a vegetarian then...?

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100433984241618

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>No gods exist unless there are suckers to believe in them.

Nonsense. So if someone doesn't believe in you, you don't exist?
hahaha :)

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100438596613170

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 20:58:03 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>With regards to threats, the mafia is far better-known for emphasizing
>"consequences" too.

So is the Law. You have to follow the law, otherwise... why don't you
whine about that?

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869462333689831330

[Richo]

On May 13, 7:20 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Richo
>

> <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Superstitious nonsense.
>
> >"piety" is not a virtue.
>
> Because you say so?
>

Because I have thought about what the word means.
Piety is an outward demonstration of your devotion to some deity or
faith - its a signal to your fellow beings that says "I am one of
you!" - so for example politicians in the USA make very sure to talk
about God in their speeches.
If they don't they will not be elected - or at least none ever has
been.
Its also a tool to instill conformity - if everyone else is praying
and worshiping and dancing - you make the "unbeliever" stand out - so
its a method of control and intimidation.

> >Believing in nonsense is not a virtue. Ignorance is not a virtue.
>
> Nobody ever suggested that.
>

Sure you have - many times.
Over many years of posting.

> >One should seek to be virtuous
> >Compassion is the greatest virtue.
>
> I take it you are a vegetarian then...?

Interesting you don't say "Because you say so?"

[raven1]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:56:20 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:20:34 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes, that you have no idea how logic works. We already knew that,
>>Jesper.
>
>You forget that when it comes to knowledge, logic and reason I make
>you look like a door-knob.

Well, that's partially correct: a doorknob is more knowledgeable than
you, and has a better grasp of logic and reason. Seriously, Jesper,
don't delude yourself: if there's one thing that your posting history
makes abundantly clear, it's that you're as dumb as the proverbial
stump, and your grasp of logic and reason lacks opposable thumbs.
You're not even as bright as most of the Fundamentalist Christians
here, and considering that none of them can walk and chew gum at the
same time, that puts you somewhere between rocks and potted plants on
the intelligence scale. Shall I dig up the list of all the howlingly
funny mistakes you made in the "Modern Science" thread as an
illustration?

[raven1]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 11:01:50 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:28:52 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>He means like you, Jesper: ignorant as a stump, and subservient to
>>your cult.
>
>In every country ISKCON is present, it is recognized as a bona fide
>religion by the government

So what? That doesn't change the fact that it's a cult.

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT), Richo
<m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Sure you have - many times.
>Over many years of posting.

Nope.

>> I take it you are a vegetarian then...?
>
>Interesting you don't say "Because you say so?"

You speak about compassion as a virtue. I take it you are a
vegetarian, then?

He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a
lamb, as if he cut off a dog�s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as
if he offered swine�s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed
an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul
delighteth in their abominations. --Isa 66:3

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 09:44:50 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>So what? That doesn't change the fact that it's a cult.

Well, ISKCON is a cult of devotional service to the Supreme, that's
correct.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5868151261674923474

[Uncle Vic]

On 13 May 2013, you wrote in alt.atheism:

>>Do YOU think you are a sociopath?
>
> No, I think I'm part of a social reform movement.

Then insults of that type shouldn't bother you.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 12:55:28 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
[Jesper]

>On 13 May 2013, you wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>>Do YOU think you are a sociopath?
>>
>> No, I think I'm part of a social reform movement.
>
>Then insults of that type shouldn't bother you.

It wasn't an insult but an observation - his behaviour here has the
hallmarks of one.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 11:26:16 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 20:58:03 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >With regards to threats, the mafia is far better-known for
> >emphasizing "consequences" too.
>
> So is the Law. You have to follow the law, otherwise... why don't you
> whine about that?

The law is impartial and focused on justice. The mafia has different
priorities that are comparable to religion, and both types of
organizations have well-earned reputations for believing that they are
"above the law," hence it is they who would make far better candidates
for "whining about it."

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"I prefer laws that were written for today's society, not for a bunch
of amoral sheep herders who lived in the Middle East some 2,000 years
ago..."
-- Uncle Vic (May 3, 2012)

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 11:21:36 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >No gods exist unless there are suckers to believe in them.
>
> Nonsense. So if someone doesn't believe in you, you don't exist?
> hahaha :)

That's a false dichotomy to apply reality to a perception in this case.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"The atheist, by merely being in touch with reality, appears shamefully
out of touch with the fantasy life of his neighbours."
-- Sam Harris

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 11:04:21 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 08:23:39 -0700, Christopher A. Lee
> <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >Actually, they haven't - humans had to exist before gods and religion
> >were invented.
>
> As far as we can observe, gods and religion have always been part of
> human society. You cannot point to a time in history when religion was
> invented. That idea is just the wishful thinking of the less
> intelligent. It has no bearing in observable reality.

Organized religion requires language, and language was obviously
invented by people.

Babies are born without a concept of deities, which are an integral
aspect of religion, and must first conceptualize something prior to
believing it. This conceptualization may be the product of their own
creativity, and/or someone else's, but to rely on your premise will
require validation of it -- you can begin by indicating that point in
history when the first human beings evolved.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Objective truth is not our consideration..."
-- Joe Bruno (May 3, 2012)

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:25:46 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 09:44:50 -0400, raven1
> <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> >So what? That doesn't change the fact that it's a cult.
>
> Well, ISKCON is a cult of devotional service to the Supreme, that's
> correct.

That's an amazing concession. Congratulations to Quoth The Raven! Wow.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"The true spirit of conversation consists in building on another man's
observation, not overturning it."
-- Bulwer Lytton

[raven1]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:25:46 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 May 2013 09:44:50 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>So what? That doesn't change the fact that it's a cult.
>
>Well, ISKCON is a cult of devotional service to the Supreme, that's
>correct.

It's a cult in every respect, Jesper, including the negative
connotations.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[raven1]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:31 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <osbvo81vm0m8bi27r...@4ax.com>,
> raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:05:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:06:51 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>> >
>> >>Typical cult indoctrination technique, used by everyone from the
>> >>Moonies to the Branch Davidians to ISKCON: "anyone who isn't one of us
>> >>is the enemy". Whom are you trying to impress with that, Jesper? Or do
>> >>you seriously not recognize that telling the truth about how your cult
>> >>operates is the worst thing you could do to advertise for them?
>> >
>> >https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970986309718482
>>
>> "No" would have been a more succinct response, Jesper.

>
>What the heck is that picture supposed to be? It looks like something a
>clever 7-year old would do, not an adult.

Clever 5-year old, maybe. 7 is a bit of a stretch for Jesper.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:27:23 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 May 2013 11:04:21 +0200
>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 08:23:39 -0700, Christopher A. Lee
>> <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, they haven't - humans had to exist before gods and religion
>> >were invented.
>>
>> As far as we can observe, gods and religion have always been part of
>> human society. You cannot point to a time in history when religion was
>> invented. That idea is just the wishful thinking of the less
>> intelligent. It has no bearing in observable reality.

Once again Jesper lies through his teeth, this time projecting his own
wishful thinking on those who simply accept reality.

Like most theists he needs to invent all sorts of "reasons" why people
don't take theism seriously.

>Organized religion requires language, and language was obviously
>invented by people.

Obviously you need language to form and communicate anything but the
simplest ideas (eg sharpening tools - this is communicated by showing
it to others).

>Babies are born without a concept of deities, which are an integral
>aspect of religion, and must first conceptualize something prior to
>believing it.

Yep.

> This conceptualization may be the product of their own
>creativity, and/or someone else's, but to rely on your premise will
>require validation of it -- you can begin by indicating that point in
>history when the first human beings evolved.

They don't come up with gods on their own. Parents introduce them, and
explain them in terms of uber-parents.

But the worst part of this, is it's done so early that theists imagine
the belief is inherent and automatic

[SkyEyes]

On May 13, 3:22 am, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 7:20 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Richo
>
> > <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Superstitious nonsense.
>
> > >"piety" is not a virtue.
>
> > Because you say so?
>
> Because I have thought about what the word means.
> Piety is an outward demonstration of your devotion to some deity or
> faith - its a signal to your fellow beings that says "I am one of
> you!" - so for example politicians in the USA make very sure to talk
> about God in their speeches.
> If they don't they will not be elected - or at least none ever has
> been.

<Cough> Pete Stark <cough>

But apart from that, you're correct. At least in 'Merica. In Europe
and Asia, atheists get elected to public office all the time.

-
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
-

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:20:16 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>The law is impartial and focused on justice.

So is the law of karma, that dictates you will either suffer or enjoy
according to your activities.

>The mafia has different
>priorities that are comparable to religion, and both types of
>organizations have well-earned reputations for believing that they are
>"above the law," hence it is they who would make far better candidates
>for "whining about it."

The modern state-law is not based on justice, it's based on money -
whether you can afford a good lawyer.

The Vishnu-dhutas say:

One who chants the holy name of the Lord is immediately freed from the
reactions of unlimited sins, even if he chants indirectly [to indicate
something else], jokingly, for musical entertainment, or even
neglectfully. This is accepted by all the learned scholars of the
scriptures.

-- Srimad Bhagavatam, 6.2.14

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 12:55:28 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Then insults of that type shouldn't bother you.

They don't. That's why I don't bother to refute them.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5867971278965098162

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:31:49 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:


>Clever 5-year old, maybe. 7 is a bit of a stretch for Jesper.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100437387991714

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:27:23 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>Organized religion requires language, and language was obviously
>invented by people.

As far as we can observe, language has always been part of humanity.
The idea that language evolved from some abe-like grunting to
Shakepeare is simply so laughable that only less intelligent atheist
can get themselves to believe in it.

>Babies are born without a concept of deities, which are an integral
>aspect of religion, and must first conceptualize something prior to
>believing it.

Babies are born without the concept of anything except hunger. People
grow up with the values and concepts they are being induced with by
their parents and the rest of society.

The Vedas describe an evolution of consiousness from anamayi - where
you are only conscious of eating; pranamayi - where you become
consious of your body: jnanamayi - where you become conscious of your
mind, and anandamayi - where you become consious of God. Modern man is
hardly evolved beyond the second step, where you are conscious of your
body.

>This conceptualization may be the product of their own
>creativity, and/or someone else's, but to rely on your premise will
>require validation of it -- you can begin by indicating that point in
>history when the first human beings evolved.

There is no such point as far as we can observe, so your point is
moot. The idea of evolution is merely an idea you grew up with. When
you think about, it is a laughable idea with no foundation in
observable reality. The only reason people in general believe in such
nonsense is that it is being shoved down everyone's throat by TV
(Animal Planet) and all educational institutions.

"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are
great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the GREATEST HOAX
EVER." -- Dr.T.N.Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission

"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
University, in an Oxford University Press text.

Krishna says:

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these
kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. (Bg 2.12)

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:28:58 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>That's an amazing concession. Congratulations to Quoth The Raven! Wow.

Note that Birdy uses the word cult in the modern sense with all its
negative connotations. Originally cult is just e neutral word, meaning
of a particular denomination or system of belief and practice.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5867970114909008306

[Uncle Vic]

Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:dou3p8lj39hrtd3h4...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 13 May 2013 12:55:28 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Then insults of that type shouldn't bother you.
>
> They don't. That's why I don't bother to refute them.

Like the way you did earlier?

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:25:35 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Like the way you did earlier?

Well, in that case, I am glad you think so :)

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5868151264812540130

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:30:46 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:28:58 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >That's an amazing concession. Congratulations to Quoth The Raven!
> >Wow.
>
> Note that Birdy uses the word cult in the modern sense with all its
> negative connotations. Originally cult is just e neutral word, meaning
> of a particular denomination or system of belief and practice.

Since it's obvious that you were already aware of Quoth The Raven's
intended word usage as confirmed by the fact that you reacted with a
point of information rather than surprise in this circumstance, it's
also obvious that your point of information is actually a straw woman
argument designed to support a "moving the goalposts" fallacy.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"I would have waived the Indiana Jones Act, and some unions might not
like it, not union membership, but the union leaders, too many, who are
thugs."
-- Sarah Palin (June 26, 2010; at the Oil Palace in Tyler, Texas)

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
> On May 13, 3:22 am, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 13, 7:20 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Richo
> > > <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Superstitious nonsense.
> > > >
> > > > "piety" is not a virtue.
> > >
> > > Because you say so?
> >
> > Because I have thought about what the word means.
> > Piety is an outward demonstration of your devotion to some deity or
> > faith - its a signal to your fellow beings that says "I am one of
> > you!" - so for example politicians in the USA make very sure to talk
> > about God in their speeches.
> > If they don't they will not be elected - or at least none ever has
> > been.
>
> <Cough> Pete Stark <cough>
>
> But apart from that, you're correct. At least in 'Merica. In Europe
> and Asia, atheists get elected to public office all the time.

In a country where freedom from religion is constitutionally protected,
it's ironic that this happens. It's as if religion has a stronger
influence on politics despite best intentions directed toward the
separation of church and state.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"In a revolution one wins or dies, if it is a real one."
-- Commander Ernesto "Che" Guevara

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 10:50:25 +0200
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:20:16 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

> > On Mon, 13 May 2013 11:26:16 +0200
> > Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> On Sun, 12 May 2013 20:58:03 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the

> >> non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >>

> >> >With regards to threats, the mafia is far better-known for
> >> >emphasizing "consequences" too.
> >>
> >> So is the Law. You have to follow the law, otherwise... why don't
> >> you whine about that?
> >

> >The law is impartial and focused on justice.
>
> So is the law of karma, that dictates you will either suffer or enjoy
> according to your activities.

Where is this "law of karma" officially documented? Who are the police
who enforce it? Who are the judges appointed to rendering verdicts
within its confines? Can the general public attend the courts that
render verdicts to observe that the process is, indeed, impartial?

> >The mafia has different
> >priorities that are comparable to religion, and both types of
> >organizations have well-earned reputations for believing that they
> >are "above the law," hence it is they who would make far better
> >candidates for "whining about it."
>
> The modern state-law is not based on justice, it's based on money -
> whether you can afford a good lawyer.

That's a non-sequitur because that characteristic is a by-product of
the active political environment. For the most-part, the laws (at
least in countries like Canada) actually are based on justice.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Ours is a people's democratic dictatorship, led by the working class
and based on the worker-peasant alliance."
-- Mao Ze Dong

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:08:41 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>Where is this "law of karma" officially documented?

In the Bhagavad Gita.

>Who are the police
>who enforce it?

Paramatma or the Supersoul - the aspect of God in the hearts of all
living entities.

Krishna says:

Yet in this body there is another, a transcendental enjoyer, who is
the Lord, the supreme proprietor, who exists as the overseer and
permitter, and who is known as the Supersoul. (Bg 13.23)

>Who are the judges appointed to rendering verdicts
>within its confines?

The demigods.

>Can the general public attend the courts that
>render verdicts to observe that the process is, indeed, impartial?

Yes, it's called the court of life.

>That's a non-sequitur because that characteristic is a by-product of
>the active political environment. For the most-part, the laws (at
>least in countries like Canada) actually are based on justice.

Theoretically, ideally, of course, it is. But practical life tells a
different story. You can escape the state-law, you can commit a crime
and never be brought to justice, but you cannot escape the law of
karma which dictates your destiny.

Krishna says:

Work done as a sacrifice for Visnu has to be performed; otherwise work
causes bondage in this material world. Therefore, O son of Kunti,
perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way
you will always remain free from bondage. (Bg 3.9)

[bil...@microsoft.com]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:34:30 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:08:41 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
>>Where is this "law of karma" officially documented?
>
>In the Bhagavad Gita.
>
>>Who are the police
>>who enforce it?
>
>Paramatma or the Supersoul - the aspect of God in the hearts of all
>living entities.
>
>Krishna says:
>
>Yet in this body there is another, a transcendental enjoyer, who is
>the Lord, the supreme proprietor, who exists as the overseer and
>permitter, and who is known as the Supersoul. (Bg 13.23)
>

and which lord god is that.. there are just so damn many it is so damn
hard to keep up
is it the jewish god or the hindu god or allah or maybe jesus or any
one of the 10 or so christian gods theres the cathloic and baptist
protostant pentacostal aww hell so many to just keep up with at least
they all have at least one thing in common they all know how to keep
the dumb ass fish on thier line

>>Who are the judges appointed to rendering verdicts
>>within its confines?
>
>The demigods.

oh damn there is more?

do you theists realize just how damn stupid you makes yourselves look
every time you say god or even think about worship or even prayer to a
god. any god real or imaginary.

Dont you know that if there really was a god and it had enough
intelligence to create life that it would NEVER want anyone to worship
it BECAUSE of dumbasses like you all that start wars and kill murder
and maime innocent people all in the name of you god? I mean just how
fucking stupid are all of you?

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 02:58:59 -0500, bil...@microsoft.com wrote:

>and which lord god is that.. there are just so damn many it is so damn
>hard to keep up
>is it the jewish god or the hindu god or allah or maybe jesus or any
>one of the 10 or so christian gods theres the cathloic and baptist
>protostant pentacostal aww hell so many to just keep up with at least
>they all have at least one thing in common they all know how to keep
>the dumb ass fish on thier line

There are, of course, different versions and conceptions of the
Supreme Person.

<blither-blather>

When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
question that keeps coming up is - all religions are the same
nonsense, how do you know the God of your religion is better than any
other religion's God?

But it's a simple question to answer. First you read the Bible. Then
you read the Koran, and then you read Bhagavad Gita. These 3 books are
like the revealed scriptures of the world-religions, so they should
give you a pretty good answer.

When you have finished reading, you ponder the situation and ask
yourself - which of these books touch me the most profoundly, which of
them is closest to what you'd expect to hear from a God?

Can there be any doubt as to the answer?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

[Alex W]

It's not surprising when you think about it. Separate
church and state, and voters want to see their politicians
explicitly and expressly religious so that their faith may
be heard in the corridors of power. In countries with a
state church, this is simply not seen as necessary.

The other consideration, of course, is that unlike North
America, in Europe and Asia we still have the reminders of
sectarian warfare all around us. Voters know what may
happen when religion gets to work the levers of power.

[Tim]

"Jahnu" <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e959p85koqpt26e8o...@4ax.com...

> There are, of course, different versions and conceptions of the
> Supreme Person.
>
> <blither-blather>

Yes jahnu, blither-blather appears to be the thread that unites all
religions, simply posit the existence of an invisible sky pixie, back up
that contention with lots and lots of blither-blather, and voila, you've got
yourself a religion. Next step is to watch them kill each other for not
agreeing on whose magic pixie is more magical.

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 06:43:16 -0400, "Tim" <a...@b.com> wrote:

>Yes jahnu, blither-blather appears to be the thread that unites all
>religions, simply posit the existence of an invisible sky pixie, back up
>that contention with lots and lots of blither-blather, and voila, you've got
>yourself a religion. Next step is to watch them kill each other for not
>agreeing on whose magic pixie is more magical.

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

"The marvel of the Bhagavad Geeta is its truly beautiful revelation of
life's wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion." -
Herman Hesse

"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley

"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita"
- Henry David Thoreau

"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau

[bil...@microsoft.com]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 13:31:44 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip crap>

>"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
>rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita"
> - Henry David Thoreau

<more crap>

>http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
>http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
>http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava

<and more crap>

let me refer to my original post

do you theists realize just how damn stupid you makes yourselves look
every time you say god or even think about worship or even prayer to a
god. any god real or imaginary.

Dont you know that if there really was a god and it had enough
intelligence to create life that it would NEVER want anyone to worship
it BECAUSE of dumbasses like you all that start wars and kill murder
and maime innocent people all in the name of you god? I mean just how
fucking stupid are all of you?

I mean cmon how much of an idiot are you? all three of those books
were written by humans edited censored snipped and cut by other humans
for hundreds or even thousands of years. so I say again...
ARE YOU A FUCKING IDIOT?
think man think use your brain