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Jahnu
Jun 13, 2012, 6:09:01 AM6/13/12
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Srila Prabhupada says:
According to Manu, the great author of civic codes and religious
principles, even the killer of an animal is to be considered a
murderer because animal food is never meant for the civilized man,
whose prime duty is to prepare himself for going back to Godhead. He
says that in the act of killing an animal, there is a regular
conspiracy by the party of sinners, and all of them are liable to be
punished as murderers exactly like a party of conspirators who kill a
human being combinedly.
He who gives permission, he who kills the animal, he who sells the
slaughtered animal, he who cooks the animal, he who administers
distribution of the foodstuff, and at last he who eats such cooked
animal food are all murderers, and all of them are liable to be
punished by the laws of nature. No one can create a living being
despite all advancement of material science, and therefore no one has
the right to kill a living being by one's independent whims.
For the animal-eaters, the scriptures have sanctioned restricted
animal sacrifices only, and such sanctions are there just to restrict
the opening of slaughterhouses and not to encourage animal-killing.
The procedure under which animal sacrifice is allowed in the
scriptures is good both for the animal sacrificed and the
animal-eaters.
It is good for the animal in the sense that the sacrificed animal is
at once promoted to the human form of life after being sacrificed at
the altar, and the animal-eater is saved from grosser types of sins
(eating meats supplied by organized slaughterhouses which are ghastly
places for breeding all kinds of material afflictions to society,
country and the people in general). The material world is itself a
place always full of anxieties, and by encouraging animal slaughter
the whole atmosphere becomes polluted more and more by war,
pestilence, famine and many other unwanted calamities.
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According to Manu, the great author of civic codes and religious
principles, even the killer of an animal is to be considered a
murderer because animal food is never meant for the civilized man,
whose prime duty is to prepare himself for going back to Godhead. He
says that in the act of killing an animal, there is a regular
conspiracy by the party of sinners, and all of them are liable to be
punished as murderers exactly like a party of conspirators who kill a
human being combinedly.
He who gives permission, he who kills the animal, he who sells the
slaughtered animal, he who cooks the animal, he who administers
distribution of the foodstuff, and at last he who eats such cooked
animal food are all murderers, and all of them are liable to be
punished by the laws of nature. No one can create a living being
despite all advancement of material science, and therefore no one has
the right to kill a living being by one's independent whims.
For the animal-eaters, the scriptures have sanctioned restricted
animal sacrifices only, and such sanctions are there just to restrict
the opening of slaughterhouses and not to encourage animal-killing.
The procedure under which animal sacrifice is allowed in the
scriptures is good both for the animal sacrificed and the
animal-eaters.
It is good for the animal in the sense that the sacrificed animal is
at once promoted to the human form of life after being sacrificed at
the altar, and the animal-eater is saved from grosser types of sins
(eating meats supplied by organized slaughterhouses which are ghastly
places for breeding all kinds of material afflictions to society,
country and the people in general). The material world is itself a
place always full of anxieties, and by encouraging animal slaughter
the whole atmosphere becomes polluted more and more by war,
pestilence, famine and many other unwanted calamities.
Lecture - SB 1.7.38
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default
Jun 13, 2012, 1:38:49 PM6/13/12
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Is it OK for predatory animals to hunt and kill other animals? Is man
not a predatory animal?
Tronscend
Jun 13, 2012, 4:18:54 PM6/13/12
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> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:39:01 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Srila Prabhupada says:
>>
>>According to Manu, the great author of civic codes and religious
>>principles, even the killer of an animal is to be considered a
>>
>
>
>>Srila Prabhupada says:
>>
>>According to Manu, the great author of civic codes and religious
>>principles, even the killer of an animal is to be considered a
>>
>
> so if we kill animals to sacrifice it is OK but not to eat?
>
> Is it OK for predatory animals to hunt and kill other animals? Is man
> not a predatory animal?
It's just thst the priests want to corner the cutlet market.
>
> Is it OK for predatory animals to hunt and kill other animals? Is man
> not a predatory animal?
Follow the money.
BroilJAB
Jun 13, 2012, 5:23:35 PM6/13/12
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I'm not a vegetarian myself, but many good
folks are. Here in the States, our cattle industry
is a nightmare of slaughter and filth. As well,
our grains are all poison both from out of the
ground as well as barge and rail transport and
storage in poisoned silo's. I recommend that
no American eat grain either raised in or shipped
through America.
folks are. Here in the States, our cattle industry
is a nightmare of slaughter and filth. As well,
our grains are all poison both from out of the
ground as well as barge and rail transport and
storage in poisoned silo's. I recommend that
no American eat grain either raised in or shipped
through America.
Jahnu
Jun 13, 2012, 7:57:29 PM6/13/12
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:38:49 -0400, default wrote:
>so if we kill animals to sacrifice it is OK but not to eat?
The provision has been given to those low-class humans who eat meat to
>so if we kill animals to sacrifice it is OK but not to eat?
first offer it in sacrifice before eating it.
>Is it OK for predatory animals to hunt and kill other animals? Is man
>not a predatory animal?
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein
default
Jun 14, 2012, 9:04:30 AM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:27:29 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:38:49 -0400, default wrote:
>
>>so if we kill animals to sacrifice it is OK but not to eat?
>
>The provision has been given to those low-class humans who eat meat to
>first offer it in sacrifice before eating it.
Well for the sake of argument would the "Indian" Nations way of
>On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:38:49 -0400, default wrote:
>
>>so if we kill animals to sacrifice it is OK but not to eat?
>
>The provision has been given to those low-class humans who eat meat to
>first offer it in sacrifice before eating it.
respecting the animal they were about to eat constitute "offering in
sacrifice?"
What does one do to constitute "offering in sacrifice?" I'm guessing
a McDonald burger is spiritually less desirable than a game animal.
Wouldn't a god be offended if offered up a 1/4 Pounder? I know I
would.
>
>>Is it OK for predatory animals to hunt and kill other animals? Is man
>>not a predatory animal?
>
>Nope. A sane man is a religious animal.
behavior could hardly be called sane; although such weakness is within
normal human variability and can be considered sane by those lights.
One can be dependent and a man, or independent and a man - is that a
hard choice? Why do you need god?
Father Haskell
Jun 14, 2012, 6:05:49 PM6/14/12
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Jahnu
Jun 14, 2012, 9:34:54 PM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:04:30 -0400, default blithered:
>Well for the sake of argument would the "Indian" Nations way of
>respecting the animal they were about to eat constitute "offering in
>sacrifice?"
>
>What does one do to constitute "offering in sacrifice?" I'm guessing
>a McDonald burger is spiritually less desirable than a game animal.
>Wouldn't a god be offended if offered up a 1/4 Pounder? I know I
>would.
I have no doubt that you like to eat shit on a bun with snot on it
produced by a mass-murder conglomeration like MacDonalds.
---yummy. yummy dead, decomposed corpses in the tummy.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
--Albert Einstein
>Well for the sake of argument would the "Indian" Nations way of
>respecting the animal they were about to eat constitute "offering in
>sacrifice?"
>
>What does one do to constitute "offering in sacrifice?" I'm guessing
>a McDonald burger is spiritually less desirable than a game animal.
>Wouldn't a god be offended if offered up a 1/4 Pounder? I know I
>would.
produced by a mass-murder conglomeration like MacDonalds.
---yummy. yummy dead, decomposed corpses in the tummy.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
Father Haskell
Jun 14, 2012, 11:27:07 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 9:34 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
> of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
That ever happens, we'll be buried under a mountain of dead cows.
> "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
> of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
The ones that aren't dead will create runaway global warming via
atmospheric methane overload.
You laughed at Tiny Tim. I assure you, Tiny Tim laughs last...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DEoOdcYKbc
Jahnu
Jun 15, 2012, 1:17:04 AM6/15/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell idiotically
blithered:
>That ever happens, we'll be buried under a mountain of dead cows.
>The ones that aren't dead will create runaway global warming via
>atmospheric methane overload.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
The Hunger Argument
Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.
Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million
Human beings in America: 243 million
Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16
The Environmental Argument
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more
Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85
Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds
Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year
The Cancer Argument
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times
For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times
The Natural Resources Argument
Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.
Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.
Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500
Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound
Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million
Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5
Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8
Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33
The Cholesterol Argument
Number of U.S. medical schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours
Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds
Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.
Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.
Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal
Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.
The Antibiotic Argument
Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban
Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support
The Pesticide Argument
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55
Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher
What USDA tells us: meat is inspected
Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004
The Ethical Argument
Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000
Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker
Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker
Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent
Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
The Survival Argument
Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex
Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.
Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting
'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
blithered:
>That ever happens, we'll be buried under a mountain of dead cows.
>The ones that aren't dead will create runaway global warming via
>atmospheric methane overload.
The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
The Hunger Argument
Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.
Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million
Human beings in America: 243 million
Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16
The Environmental Argument
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more
Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85
Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds
Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year
The Cancer Argument
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times
For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times
The Natural Resources Argument
Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.
Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.
Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500
Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound
Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million
Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5
Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8
Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33
The Cholesterol Argument
Number of U.S. medical schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours
Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds
Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.
Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.
Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal
Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.
The Antibiotic Argument
Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban
Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support
The Pesticide Argument
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55
Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher
What USDA tells us: meat is inspected
Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004
The Ethical Argument
Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000
Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker
Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker
Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent
Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
The Survival Argument
Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex
Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.
Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting
'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
default
Jun 15, 2012, 5:39:32 AM6/15/12
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:47:04 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>That ever happens, we'll be buried under a mountain of dead cows.
>>The ones that aren't dead will create runaway global warming via
>>atmospheric methane overload.
>
>
>HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
>
>The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
>
The entire list of reasons why eating meat is bad, also support the
>>That ever happens, we'll be buried under a mountain of dead cows.
>>The ones that aren't dead will create runaway global warming via
>>atmospheric methane overload.
>
>
>HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
>
>The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
>
idea that human populations need to be controlled - and that would
achieve the same ends.
WHAT we do isn't half as bad as the SCALE at which we do it.
All things in moderation, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing,
just so long as the number of people doing it is moderated.
Jahnu
Jun 15, 2012, 6:58:27 PM6/15/12
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:39:32 -0400, default wrote:
>
>The entire list of reasons why eating meat is bad, also support the
>idea that human populations need to be controlled - and that would
>achieve the same ends.
>
>WHAT we do isn't half as bad as the SCALE at which we do it.
>
>All things in moderation, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing,
>just so long as the number of people doing it is moderated.
Krishna says:
>
>The entire list of reasons why eating meat is bad, also support the
>idea that human populations need to be controlled - and that would
>achieve the same ends.
>
>WHAT we do isn't half as bad as the SCALE at which we do it.
>
>All things in moderation, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing,
>just so long as the number of people doing it is moderated.
One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg 6.5)
For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)
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