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Jahnu
May 22, 2013, 6:10:44 AM5/22/13
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Dharma, the living entity's eternal engagement
If one wants to gain a core understanding of an object or a subject
one must understand the essence of that object or subject. The
essence, or the inner inseparable quality of a thing is in Sanskrit
called dharma. Dharma is the innate property of a thing that makes
the thing what it is. In other words dharma is the very principle that
gives meaning to a thing. The dharma of salt or the meaning of dharma
is to be salt; a stone's dharma or the meaning of a stone is to be
hard; water's dharma is to be wet, fire's dharma is light and heat,
the dharma of sugar is to be sweet and so on. There is no meaning to
fire if it doesn't burn, and honey is meaningless if it is not sweet.
This is all self evident.
One might then ask what is the dharma of a living entity. Or what is
the meaning of the soul's existence? What is it that makes a living
entity what it is and that cannot be separated from the living entity?
The answer the Vedas give us is service. Service or to serve is the
inherent quality that cannot be taken away from the soul. The soul or
the particle of consciousness, which is an eternal part of Krishna, is
simply meant to serve Krishna. In our conditioned state, where we
exist separately from Krishna, this service is expressed in so many
other fashions, but the serving tendency inevitably shines through in
all circumstances. Vi all have to serve someone or something.
As parents we serve our children, we serve society by paying taxes, we
serve the boss at work, we serve our spouses. It can almost be said
that service equals love. In any case, service is an integral aspect
of love, because without service there is no love. Without service
love is just empty or at best fancy talk, that which poets write
about. A man might declare his love to a woman, but if he never does
anything for her, if he never shows her his love by buying her flowers
or nice dresses, what then is the value of his love? And if a woman
loves a man she will also be eager to please him in all kinds of ways
by cooking his favorite dishes for him etc. In other words, we serve
the ones we love. This urge to serve is so strong that even people who
have no loved ones to serve, like some old people who have lost all
their relatives or some lonely people often get themselves a canary or
a little dog they can serve.
They serve the bird by cleaning its cage and feeding it with fresh
water and food, or they walk their dog and pick up its droppings in a
plastic bag to dispose of later, and sometimes they spend half their
pension on veterinary bills. These are all symptoms of the loving
service that are always manifested in the living entity. Even in
animals we find this service although in lesser degrees. And even in
people, who are very selfish, who care for nothing and no one, who
claim that they feel absolutely no necessity to serve or care for
anyone, we find that they still have to serve. They serve the urges of
their bodies, they are forces to it. They have to eat, they have to
sleep, they have to mate, there is just no way they can escape serving
their bodies. Or they will serve their minds' demands for name and
distinction. In all circumstances everyone is serving.
When the Vedas speak of dharma in connection with human life, the word
in English is often translated with religion, because religion is said
to be the essence of human existence. Even an atheist will have some
belief system or moral and ethical codes he adheres to. But religion
or faith can change. A Christian can change and become an atheist, a
Moslem can convert to Hinduism, so religion or faith describes only
the temporary dharma we follow as human beings. It doesn't describe
that dharma or service which is eternal.
A better translation of the word dharma is the word duty. Duty is
inextricably connected with human life. But we don't have the same
duties. We have different duties according to the body we inhabit.
Thus the Vedas describe different types of dharma in terms of our
different bodies and their inherent abilities. There are different
dharmas for women, for men, for children, for old people and for all
the different types of people and social orders.
So there are two forms of dharma or duty associated with human life.
There is the dharma we have in relation to our body and culture and
there is the dharma we have as a spirit soul. One is the duty we have
to perform as conditioned, embodied souls, and the other is our duty
as liberated soul. The first is a temporary duty in relation to our
specific body type, which takes on a myriad of forms and the other is
our eternal duty as pure souls in relation to Krishna. Here also is a
distinction between the duties that are laid down for us by God and
the sages through in the holy scriptures like the Vedas or scriptures
from other cultures and the duties we fabricate ourselves as is
evident in the modern culture. It is clearly stated in the Bhagavad
Gita that if one neglects to perform the dharma that are described in
the shastra and acts whimsically according to self constructed rules,
one cannot expect to be happy either in this life or the next.
"He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination." (Bg. 16.23)
"But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next." (Bg. 4.40)
If one follows the dharma as directed by the Vedas it leads to
happiness and welfare in life and one will gradually be promoted to
increasingly advanced forms of life on the higher planetary systems.
That is, one can become a demigod, a siddha, a sage or any of the
other sublime forms in the universal hierarchy. But if one neglects to
perform his designated duties as a human being, one will not only
create a hellish existence individually and collectively, but if one
insists on breaking with the natural balance of life in this way one
will gradually sink down to the most abominable life forms.
Thus the essence of all life is service. Generally it can be said that
this service is expressed through the performance of our duties, and
in relation to our status in life - body, age, position, culture etc.
- we have different duties to perform. These duties are ultimately
given to us by God, as prescribed in the different religions, with the
expressed purpose of allowing us to live in harmony with nature and
thus advance in happiness and prosperity. Some people have the idea
that the duties given to us by God are a nuisance and a hindrance to
our enjoying life, but it is simply irrational to suggest that God
wants us to suffer. He wants us to become happy and satisfied and
therefore he has given the directions how to do exactly that, and it
is obvious to any dispassionate observer that as the modern culture
has discarded the rules of God of invented its own rules for becoming
happiness, exactly the opposite has occurred - the modern civilization
has turned the planet into a dump and everyone without exception is
disturbed and miserable to the max. That's the unavoidable
consequences of ignoring the rules and regulations established by God.
But besides the dharma we have to perform as human beings, ie. The
different duties we have to perform if we want to live a good life in
harmony with nature and all other creatures not only in this life but
the next one as well, we also have an eternal dharma, which is
constant, and that is our direct service to Krishna, the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. In the Vedas it is said, that the original
position of the soul is to be the eternal servant of Krishna. That
service to Krishna is performed by the soul in its liberated state
after its been freed from the necessity of having to exist in a
physical body and it is being expressed by the soul allowing itself to
be enjoyed by Krishna. When the living entity no longer have any
desires to enjoy selfishly, i.e. when it no longer wishes to enjoy
separately from Krishna, he serves Krishna by unconditionally by
performing all activities to please Him. By such service the soul
expresses its love for Krishna.
Such love is the eternal dharma of the soul and it is totally without
hankering and lamentation and it continues forever. This type of love
can be experienced even when the soul is still situated in his
material body, for such pure devotional service is without any tinge
of material properties and is thus not dependent on whether the soul
is situated in the material or spiritual world. In fact, when the soul
serves Krishna with his body, mind and words he is to be considered
liberated even if he is within a material body. So one does not have
to wait until leaving his body to serve Krishna purely.
iha yasya harer dasye / karmana manasa gira
nikhilasv apy avasthasu / jivan-muktah sa ucyate
"One who acts to serve Krsna with his body, mind, intelligence and
words is a liberated person, even within this material world."
(Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.187)
The method by which to become engaged in such service that is inherent
in the heart of all living entities is to simply invoke it by calling
to Krishna for it, and that is done by reciting or meditating on the
Hare Krishna mantra:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
By chanting Krishna's name one engages in the eternal dharma of the
soul, and by doing that one's life becomes sublime regardless of
whether one is rich or poor, ugly or handsome, clever or not so
clever, it doesn't matter what material situation one may find oneself
in, as soon as one calls for Krishna one is immediately transported to
the transcendental plane. This truth can be realized by anyone
irrespective of religious or cultural belongings. It is not even a
question of giving up this or that or changing one's lifestyle, all
one needs to do is simply to add Krishna to one's life, and this is
done very easily just be chanting His name. From that everything else
will manifest and one will experience that satisfaction for which we
are al hankering, and which further more is the topmost goal of life.
Have a look at my art -
http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
If one wants to gain a core understanding of an object or a subject
one must understand the essence of that object or subject. The
essence, or the inner inseparable quality of a thing is in Sanskrit
called dharma. Dharma is the innate property of a thing that makes
the thing what it is. In other words dharma is the very principle that
gives meaning to a thing. The dharma of salt or the meaning of dharma
is to be salt; a stone's dharma or the meaning of a stone is to be
hard; water's dharma is to be wet, fire's dharma is light and heat,
the dharma of sugar is to be sweet and so on. There is no meaning to
fire if it doesn't burn, and honey is meaningless if it is not sweet.
This is all self evident.
One might then ask what is the dharma of a living entity. Or what is
the meaning of the soul's existence? What is it that makes a living
entity what it is and that cannot be separated from the living entity?
The answer the Vedas give us is service. Service or to serve is the
inherent quality that cannot be taken away from the soul. The soul or
the particle of consciousness, which is an eternal part of Krishna, is
simply meant to serve Krishna. In our conditioned state, where we
exist separately from Krishna, this service is expressed in so many
other fashions, but the serving tendency inevitably shines through in
all circumstances. Vi all have to serve someone or something.
As parents we serve our children, we serve society by paying taxes, we
serve the boss at work, we serve our spouses. It can almost be said
that service equals love. In any case, service is an integral aspect
of love, because without service there is no love. Without service
love is just empty or at best fancy talk, that which poets write
about. A man might declare his love to a woman, but if he never does
anything for her, if he never shows her his love by buying her flowers
or nice dresses, what then is the value of his love? And if a woman
loves a man she will also be eager to please him in all kinds of ways
by cooking his favorite dishes for him etc. In other words, we serve
the ones we love. This urge to serve is so strong that even people who
have no loved ones to serve, like some old people who have lost all
their relatives or some lonely people often get themselves a canary or
a little dog they can serve.
They serve the bird by cleaning its cage and feeding it with fresh
water and food, or they walk their dog and pick up its droppings in a
plastic bag to dispose of later, and sometimes they spend half their
pension on veterinary bills. These are all symptoms of the loving
service that are always manifested in the living entity. Even in
animals we find this service although in lesser degrees. And even in
people, who are very selfish, who care for nothing and no one, who
claim that they feel absolutely no necessity to serve or care for
anyone, we find that they still have to serve. They serve the urges of
their bodies, they are forces to it. They have to eat, they have to
sleep, they have to mate, there is just no way they can escape serving
their bodies. Or they will serve their minds' demands for name and
distinction. In all circumstances everyone is serving.
When the Vedas speak of dharma in connection with human life, the word
in English is often translated with religion, because religion is said
to be the essence of human existence. Even an atheist will have some
belief system or moral and ethical codes he adheres to. But religion
or faith can change. A Christian can change and become an atheist, a
Moslem can convert to Hinduism, so religion or faith describes only
the temporary dharma we follow as human beings. It doesn't describe
that dharma or service which is eternal.
A better translation of the word dharma is the word duty. Duty is
inextricably connected with human life. But we don't have the same
duties. We have different duties according to the body we inhabit.
Thus the Vedas describe different types of dharma in terms of our
different bodies and their inherent abilities. There are different
dharmas for women, for men, for children, for old people and for all
the different types of people and social orders.
So there are two forms of dharma or duty associated with human life.
There is the dharma we have in relation to our body and culture and
there is the dharma we have as a spirit soul. One is the duty we have
to perform as conditioned, embodied souls, and the other is our duty
as liberated soul. The first is a temporary duty in relation to our
specific body type, which takes on a myriad of forms and the other is
our eternal duty as pure souls in relation to Krishna. Here also is a
distinction between the duties that are laid down for us by God and
the sages through in the holy scriptures like the Vedas or scriptures
from other cultures and the duties we fabricate ourselves as is
evident in the modern culture. It is clearly stated in the Bhagavad
Gita that if one neglects to perform the dharma that are described in
the shastra and acts whimsically according to self constructed rules,
one cannot expect to be happy either in this life or the next.
"He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination." (Bg. 16.23)
"But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next." (Bg. 4.40)
If one follows the dharma as directed by the Vedas it leads to
happiness and welfare in life and one will gradually be promoted to
increasingly advanced forms of life on the higher planetary systems.
That is, one can become a demigod, a siddha, a sage or any of the
other sublime forms in the universal hierarchy. But if one neglects to
perform his designated duties as a human being, one will not only
create a hellish existence individually and collectively, but if one
insists on breaking with the natural balance of life in this way one
will gradually sink down to the most abominable life forms.
Thus the essence of all life is service. Generally it can be said that
this service is expressed through the performance of our duties, and
in relation to our status in life - body, age, position, culture etc.
- we have different duties to perform. These duties are ultimately
given to us by God, as prescribed in the different religions, with the
expressed purpose of allowing us to live in harmony with nature and
thus advance in happiness and prosperity. Some people have the idea
that the duties given to us by God are a nuisance and a hindrance to
our enjoying life, but it is simply irrational to suggest that God
wants us to suffer. He wants us to become happy and satisfied and
therefore he has given the directions how to do exactly that, and it
is obvious to any dispassionate observer that as the modern culture
has discarded the rules of God of invented its own rules for becoming
happiness, exactly the opposite has occurred - the modern civilization
has turned the planet into a dump and everyone without exception is
disturbed and miserable to the max. That's the unavoidable
consequences of ignoring the rules and regulations established by God.
But besides the dharma we have to perform as human beings, ie. The
different duties we have to perform if we want to live a good life in
harmony with nature and all other creatures not only in this life but
the next one as well, we also have an eternal dharma, which is
constant, and that is our direct service to Krishna, the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. In the Vedas it is said, that the original
position of the soul is to be the eternal servant of Krishna. That
service to Krishna is performed by the soul in its liberated state
after its been freed from the necessity of having to exist in a
physical body and it is being expressed by the soul allowing itself to
be enjoyed by Krishna. When the living entity no longer have any
desires to enjoy selfishly, i.e. when it no longer wishes to enjoy
separately from Krishna, he serves Krishna by unconditionally by
performing all activities to please Him. By such service the soul
expresses its love for Krishna.
Such love is the eternal dharma of the soul and it is totally without
hankering and lamentation and it continues forever. This type of love
can be experienced even when the soul is still situated in his
material body, for such pure devotional service is without any tinge
of material properties and is thus not dependent on whether the soul
is situated in the material or spiritual world. In fact, when the soul
serves Krishna with his body, mind and words he is to be considered
liberated even if he is within a material body. So one does not have
to wait until leaving his body to serve Krishna purely.
iha yasya harer dasye / karmana manasa gira
nikhilasv apy avasthasu / jivan-muktah sa ucyate
"One who acts to serve Krsna with his body, mind, intelligence and
words is a liberated person, even within this material world."
(Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.187)
The method by which to become engaged in such service that is inherent
in the heart of all living entities is to simply invoke it by calling
to Krishna for it, and that is done by reciting or meditating on the
Hare Krishna mantra:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
By chanting Krishna's name one engages in the eternal dharma of the
soul, and by doing that one's life becomes sublime regardless of
whether one is rich or poor, ugly or handsome, clever or not so
clever, it doesn't matter what material situation one may find oneself
in, as soon as one calls for Krishna one is immediately transported to
the transcendental plane. This truth can be realized by anyone
irrespective of religious or cultural belongings. It is not even a
question of giving up this or that or changing one's lifestyle, all
one needs to do is simply to add Krishna to one's life, and this is
done very easily just be chanting His name. From that everything else
will manifest and one will experience that satisfaction for which we
are al hankering, and which further more is the topmost goal of life.
Have a look at my art -
http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
raven1
May 22, 2013, 8:37:37 AM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:10:44 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dharma, the living entity's eternal engagement
>
>If one wants to gain a core understanding of an object or a subject
>one must understand the essence of that object or subject. The
>essence, or the inner inseparable quality of a thing is in Sanskrit
>called dharma. Dharma is the innate property of a thing that makes
>the thing what it is. In other words dharma is the very principle that
>gives meaning to a thing. The dharma of salt or the meaning of dharma
>is to be salt; a stone's dharma or the meaning of a stone is to be
>hard; water's dharma is to be wet, fire's dharma is light and heat,
>the dharma of sugar is to be sweet and so on. There is no meaning to
>fire if it doesn't burn, and honey is meaningless if it is not sweet.
>This is all self evident.
This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>Dharma, the living entity's eternal engagement
>
>If one wants to gain a core understanding of an object or a subject
>one must understand the essence of that object or subject. The
>essence, or the inner inseparable quality of a thing is in Sanskrit
>called dharma. Dharma is the innate property of a thing that makes
>the thing what it is. In other words dharma is the very principle that
>gives meaning to a thing. The dharma of salt or the meaning of dharma
>is to be salt; a stone's dharma or the meaning of a stone is to be
>hard; water's dharma is to be wet, fire's dharma is light and heat,
>the dharma of sugar is to be sweet and so on. There is no meaning to
>fire if it doesn't burn, and honey is meaningless if it is not sweet.
>This is all self evident.
unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
<remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
Jahnu
May 22, 2013, 9:24:46 AM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:37:37 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
>to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
>snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
>
><remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5834998539651324402
>This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
>to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
>snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
>
><remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
raven1
May 22, 2013, 10:20:25 AM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:24:46 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:37:37 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>>unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
>>to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
>>snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
>>
>><remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5834998539651324402
Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:37:37 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>>unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
>>to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
>>snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
>>
>><remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5834998539651324402
Dakota
May 22, 2013, 11:47:01 AM5/22/13
to
On 5/22/2013 9:20 AM, raven1 wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:24:46 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:37:37 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>>
>>> This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>>> unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
>>> to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
>>> snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
>>>
>>> <remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/Jahnu#583499853
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:24:46 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:37:37 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>>
>>> This is all metaphysical hogwash, Jesper. It is an entirely
>>> unjustifiable attempt to anthropomorphize nature, and impute a purpose
>>> to it. The only things "self-evident" are that the author is a
>>> snake-oil salesman, and that you're gullible enough to swallow it.
>>>
>>> <remainder snipped, as the premise it is based on is worthless>
>>
>
> Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
>
The idiot Jahnu might be getting credit each time someone clicks that
> Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
>
link. I think it's best to keep others from seeing his childish
pictures so I "edited" the link.
:)
Jahnu
May 22, 2013, 12:44:58 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:20:25 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5825147023707753090
>Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
raven1
May 22, 2013, 1:12:43 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:44:58 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:20:25 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5825147023707753090
That's two. Running away so fast is unusual even for you, Jesper.
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:20:25 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>Inability to defend your position duly noted yet again, Jesper.
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5825147023707753090
Jahnu
May 22, 2013, 1:37:24 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:12:43 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>That's two. Running away so fast is unusual even for you, Jesper.
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5834997866819386610
>That's two. Running away so fast is unusual even for you, Jesper.
raven1
May 22, 2013, 2:56:14 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:37:24 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:12:43 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>That's two. Running away so fast is unusual even for you, Jesper.
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5834997866819386610
Keep bravely running away, Sir Jesper.
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:12:43 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>That's two. Running away so fast is unusual even for you, Jesper.
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5834997866819386610
Jahnu
May 23, 2013, 12:04:47 AM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:56:14 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>Keep bravely running away, Sir Jesper.
I'm right here. Sir Bird Twat :)
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>Keep bravely running away, Sir Jesper.
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raven1
May 23, 2013, 8:26:07 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 06:04:47 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:56:14 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>Keep bravely running away, Sir Jesper.
>
>I'm right here.
Saying nothing.
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:56:14 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>>Keep bravely running away, Sir Jesper.
>
>I'm right here.
Jahnu
May 23, 2013, 8:45:36 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 08:26:07 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Saying nothing.
Welsome to Anonymous Sense-enjoyers - AS
Sense-gratification is the addiction of the soul. We often talk about
drug addictions. An addiction to heroin, for instance, is almost
impossible to conquer. So just like a person is addicted to heroin, so
the soul is addicted to sense-gratification.
In AA people get help overcoming their addiction to alcohol. At the
first meeting you attend, you are supposed to state your name and
recognize that you are an alcoholic. You go, hello, my name is Michael
and I am an alcoholic. Hello Michael, the assembly answers.
Similarly, in AS you go, Hare Krishna, my name is Jiva, and I am a
sense-enjoyer. Hare Krishna Jiva, the assembled devotees greet you.
The addiction the soul has to sense-enjoyment is exactly as severe and
as difficult to overcome, as a person's addiction to heroin.
In AA they teach you, that the only way to overcome your addiction
alcohol, is to petition a higher power for help. You have to recognize
a higher power outside yourself, and get help from that. And this
metod works. It is a statistical fact.
In AS we are so fortunate, that by the mercy of Srila Prabhupada we
know Who that higher power is, and we know how to contact Him.
So by petitioning Krishna by constantly chanting his name loudly in
song og quietly in meditation, He will help us overcone our addiction
to sense-gratification. And it is a scientific fact that can be
investigated and verified by anyone who may so desire.
If we refuse to accept that we are sense-enjoyment-addicts, in fact,
if, in stead, we make it the goal of life, the result will be the
disease of repeated birth and death.
Krishna says:
After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogis in devotion, never
return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because
they have attained the highest perfection. (Bg. 8.15)
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Saying nothing.
Welsome to Anonymous Sense-enjoyers - AS
Sense-gratification is the addiction of the soul. We often talk about
drug addictions. An addiction to heroin, for instance, is almost
impossible to conquer. So just like a person is addicted to heroin, so
the soul is addicted to sense-gratification.
In AA people get help overcoming their addiction to alcohol. At the
first meeting you attend, you are supposed to state your name and
recognize that you are an alcoholic. You go, hello, my name is Michael
and I am an alcoholic. Hello Michael, the assembly answers.
Similarly, in AS you go, Hare Krishna, my name is Jiva, and I am a
sense-enjoyer. Hare Krishna Jiva, the assembled devotees greet you.
The addiction the soul has to sense-enjoyment is exactly as severe and
as difficult to overcome, as a person's addiction to heroin.
In AA they teach you, that the only way to overcome your addiction
alcohol, is to petition a higher power for help. You have to recognize
a higher power outside yourself, and get help from that. And this
metod works. It is a statistical fact.
In AS we are so fortunate, that by the mercy of Srila Prabhupada we
know Who that higher power is, and we know how to contact Him.
So by petitioning Krishna by constantly chanting his name loudly in
song og quietly in meditation, He will help us overcone our addiction
to sense-gratification. And it is a scientific fact that can be
investigated and verified by anyone who may so desire.
If we refuse to accept that we are sense-enjoyment-addicts, in fact,
if, in stead, we make it the goal of life, the result will be the
disease of repeated birth and death.
Krishna says:
After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogis in devotion, never
return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because
they have attained the highest perfection. (Bg. 8.15)
raven1
May 23, 2013, 9:26:42 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:45:36 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So by petitioning Krishna by constantly chanting his name loudly in
>song og quietly in meditation
Which is just replacing one addiction with another.
>So by petitioning Krishna by constantly chanting his name loudly in
>song og quietly in meditation
Jahnu
May 23, 2013, 1:37:16 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:26:42 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Which is just replacing one addiction with another.
Everyone is addicted to something. As an atheist you are addicted to
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Which is just replacing one addiction with another.
sense-gratification and birth, death, old age and disease. As a Hare
Krishna you become addicted to Krishna and eternal knowledge and
bliss.
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raven1
May 23, 2013, 1:48:20 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 19:37:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:26:42 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Which is just replacing one addiction with another.
>
>Everyone is addicted to something.
No, Jesper, *addicts* are addicted to something. You're like a drunk
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:26:42 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Which is just replacing one addiction with another.
>
>Everyone is addicted to something.
trying to convince teetotalers that they're alcoholics too.
Ken
May 23, 2013, 3:48:52 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 10:37 am, Jahnuts wrote this shit while trying to find an
excuse for his own religious and drug addictions
"Everyone is addicted to something"
Mike Duffy asked Jahnuts: Did you have experiences with psychedelic
drugs at that time?
He then replied:
I did.I hung out with the
freaks :) I guess, because it was the midwest, they called hippies
freaks :)
Apart from that, psychedelic drugs naturally give experiences of what
seem to be other dimensions
excuse for his own religious and drug addictions
"Everyone is addicted to something"
Mike Duffy asked Jahnuts: Did you have experiences with psychedelic
drugs at that time?
He then replied:
I did.I hung out with the
freaks :) I guess, because it was the midwest, they called hippies
freaks :)
Apart from that, psychedelic drugs naturally give experiences of what
seem to be other dimensions
Jahnu
May 24, 2013, 12:42:17 AM5/24/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:48:20 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>No, Jesper, *addicts* are addicted to something. You're like a drunk
>trying to convince teetotalers that they're alcoholics too.
Didn't you hear what I said the first time, Birdy? Let me try again -
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>No, Jesper, *addicts* are addicted to something. You're like a drunk
>trying to convince teetotalers that they're alcoholics too.
you are addicted to sensegratification like a junkie is addicted to
heroine. And the symptoms of this disease you have is birth, death,
old age and disease.
---but, but, but that's life, it's not a disease, I'm happy to be born
just to get sick, old and die. The sense-gratification I get in
between these miseries makes it all worth it...
Sri Shukadeva Gosvami says:
Persons devoid of knowledge of the self do not inquire into the
problems of life, being too attached to the fallible soldiers like
the body, children and wife. Although sufficiently experienced, they
still do not see their inevitable destruction. (SB. 2.1.4)
O descendant of King Bharata, one who desires to be free from all
miseries must hear about, glorify and also remember the Personality of
Godhead, who is the Supersoul, the controller and the savior from all
miseries. (SB 2.1.5)
The highest perfection of human life, achieved either by complete
knowledge of matter and spirit, by practice of mystic powers, or by
perfect discharge of occupational duty, is to remember the Personality
of Godhead at the end of life. (SB. 2.1.6)
raven1
May 24, 2013, 9:33:19 AM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:42:17 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:48:20 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>No, Jesper, *addicts* are addicted to something. You're like a drunk
>>trying to convince teetotalers that they're alcoholics too.
>
> Didn't you hear what I said the first time, Birdy?
Of course, Jesper. Your repeating it will not make you right. You're
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:48:20 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>No, Jesper, *addicts* are addicted to something. You're like a drunk
>>trying to convince teetotalers that they're alcoholics too.
>
> Didn't you hear what I said the first time, Birdy?
trying to sell a set of crutches to people with perfectly good legs,
Jesper, and you still have no idea why we're not interested in buying,
because you're so self-absorbed that you can't consider the
possibility that everyone else doesn't share your own character flaws.
Jahnu
May 24, 2013, 11:47:10 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:33:19 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Of course, Jesper. Your repeating it will not make you right. You're
>trying to sell a set of crutches to people with perfectly good legs,
>Jesper, and you still have no idea why we're not interested in buying,
>because you're so self-absorbed that you can't consider the
>possibility that everyone else doesn't share your own character flaws.
You might wanna consider the same, Birdy.
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Of course, Jesper. Your repeating it will not make you right. You're
>trying to sell a set of crutches to people with perfectly good legs,
>Jesper, and you still have no idea why we're not interested in buying,
>because you're so self-absorbed that you can't consider the
>possibility that everyone else doesn't share your own character flaws.
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5867473122892943314
raven1
May 25, 2013, 11:11:41 AM5/25/13
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 05:47:10 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:33:19 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Of course, Jesper. Your repeating it will not make you right. You're
>>trying to sell a set of crutches to people with perfectly good legs,
>>Jesper, and you still have no idea why we're not interested in buying,
>>because you're so self-absorbed that you can't consider the
>>possibility that everyone else doesn't share your own character flaws.
>
>You might wanna consider the same, Birdy.
Good grief, Jesper! What mental disease or defect compels you to
>On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:33:19 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Of course, Jesper. Your repeating it will not make you right. You're
>>trying to sell a set of crutches to people with perfectly good legs,
>>Jesper, and you still have no idea why we're not interested in buying,
>>because you're so self-absorbed that you can't consider the
>>possibility that everyone else doesn't share your own character flaws.
>
>You might wanna consider the same, Birdy.
immediately prove my point every time you reply to me?
---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight
Jahnu
May 25, 2013, 2:13:06 PM5/25/13
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:11:41 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>Good grief, Jesper! What mental disease or defect compels you to
>immediately prove my point every time you reply to me?
It doesn't take much to convince you of anything, eh, Bird Twat? :)
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5808703222395591090
>Good grief, Jesper! What mental disease or defect compels you to
>immediately prove my point every time you reply to me?
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5808703222395591090
raven1
May 28, 2013, 8:01:30 AM5/28/13
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 20:13:06 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:11:41 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>
>>Good grief, Jesper! What mental disease or defect compels you to
>>immediately prove my point every time you reply to me?
>
>It doesn't take much to convince you of anything
That's funny coming from the most gullible person to ever post here.
>On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:11:41 -0400, raven1 squawked:
>
>
>>Good grief, Jesper! What mental disease or defect compels you to
>>immediately prove my point every time you reply to me?
>
>It doesn't take much to convince you of anything
Jahnu
May 28, 2013, 10:28:55 AM5/28/13
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 08:01:30 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>That's funny coming from the most gullible person to ever post here.
It's a good sign, I seem gullible to you - means I'm not :)
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>That's funny coming from the most gullible person to ever post here.
Ultimately, it's a matter of authority - what you choose to believe
in. The mind basicaly thinks and acts like it has been trained to do
during its formative years. If you don't suffer much, you must be more
more influence by the mode of passion than of ignorance/ Passion means
constant changing between happiness and distress. The mode of
ignorance conditions you to a lot of suffering and misfortune. And in
the mode of goodness it is mostly happiness. There is no goodness in
modern society. It is a complete speculation. It's values and goals
are completely without any authority except for the mind.
You have two possibilities - you can either accept you own mind as
authority, or you can accept somebody else's mind as authority. You
haven chosen the Coca-cola culture and what your own mind tells you,
as autority, I have chosen the Vedic sages. That's all. It's simply a
question of whom you choose to get your knowlege from.
In modern society, people are trained to think that one's own minds is
the greatest authority. That, together with what we are told by TV and
Hollywood, determines our view of the world.
I accept the Vedic sages as my authority I accept Srimad Bhagavatam as
authority. You accept what you you're conditioned to think by your
culture, you accept what the mind tells you. It is as simple as that.
The reason you don't understand that the knowledge of the eternal
disciplic succession, is superior to the speculations of modern
society - the Coca-cola society, as I like to call it - is because you
are too much governed by the mode of ignorance, in which you become
convinced of the wrong thing. At least the mode of passion would have
you doubt whether it's right or wrong - doubts are the function of the
intelligence. And in the mode of goodness you would understand things
as they are, because in the mode of goodness there is enlightenment.
Real knowledge can only be gotten from those who possess it. That is
what you don't understand. In the mode of goodness you understand
that. In the mode of passion you would at least be doubtful of what
the mind tells you, but in the mode of ignorance, you are completely
convinced of the wrong thing, and that makes you commit mistakes.
The first mistake is to accept knowledge from the wrong sources. Real
knowledge can only come from the Vedas. It can be tried and testet by
anyone. The science of hownature works according to the three modes of
material nature - goodness, passion, and ignorance. It's like a map
that will teach one to read what is really going on in nature and the
mind. It can be tested and confirmed scientifically. But if you are in
the mode of ignorance, you won't listen to it or try it out. You will
be completely convinced by your own mind. Conditions of ignorance
always leads to suffering, without exception. The mode of passion
causes you to experience a mixture of happiness and distress - up and
down constantly - and in the mode of goodness you will be generally
satisfied and content and you will know what is what.
These things, I say, are obviously not for you. Feel free to ignore
it. This message is entirely directed at any sincere seeker, that
might happen to be here. It is only meant for those who have a desire
to learn the truth. Krishna says:
Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
(Bg. 4.34)
Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine. (Bg. 4.35)
Ken
May 28, 2013, 10:37:59 AM5/28/13
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Jahnuts wrote this shit while trying to find an
excuse for his own religious and drug addictions
"Everyone is addicted to something"
Then Mike Duffy asked Jahnuts: Did you have experiences with
excuse for his own religious and drug addictions
"Everyone is addicted to something"
psychedelic
drugs at that time?
He then replied:
I did.I hung out with the
freaks :) I guess, because it was the midwest, they called hippies
freaks :)
Apart from that, psychedelic drugs naturally give experiences of what
seem to be other dimensions
Typical for a weakminded Fool..For him, religion is just another drug
drugs at that time?
He then replied:
I did.I hung out with the
freaks :) I guess, because it was the midwest, they called hippies
freaks :)
Apart from that, psychedelic drugs naturally give experiences of what
seem to be other dimensions
raven1
May 28, 2013, 12:02:11 PM5/28/13
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:28:55 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 28 May 2013 08:01:30 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>That's funny coming from the most gullible person to ever post here.
>
>It's a good sign, I seem gullible to you - means I'm not :)
No, Jesper, you don't "seem" gullible, you *are* gullible. There's no
>On Tue, 28 May 2013 08:01:30 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>That's funny coming from the most gullible person to ever post here.
>
>It's a good sign, I seem gullible to you - means I'm not :)
topic you've ever discussed here on which you aren't comically
misinformed.
>Ultimately, it's a matter of authority
Jahnu
May 28, 2013, 12:27:16 PM5/28/13
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:02:11 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>, it's a matter of authority
>
>No, it isn't Jesper. That you think it is is *why* you're so gullible.
Yep, it sure is. That you have not discovered that yet, shows that you
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>, it's a matter of authority
>
>No, it isn't Jesper. That you think it is is *why* you're so gullible.
are a gullible fool, a mindless product of the Coca-cola culture.
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Ken
May 28, 2013, 1:23:58 PM5/28/13
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Mike Duffy asked Jahnuts: Did you have experiences with
psychedelic
drugs at that time?
He then replied:
I did.I hung out with the
freaks :) I guess, because it was the midwest, they called hippies
freaks :)
Apart from that, psychedelic drugs naturally give experiences of what
seem to be other dimensions
Typical for a weakminded and GULLIBLE FOOL
psychedelic
drugs at that time?
He then replied:
I did.I hung out with the
freaks :) I guess, because it was the midwest, they called hippies
freaks :)
Apart from that, psychedelic drugs naturally give experiences of what
seem to be other dimensions
Jahnu
May 28, 2013, 1:29:04 PM5/28/13
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flak...@aol.com>
wrote:
>Typical for a weakminded and GULLIBLE FOOL
>For me, atheism is just another drug
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100433984241618
wrote:
>Typical for a weakminded and GULLIBLE FOOL
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100433984241618
Tom McDonald
May 28, 2013, 1:32:46 PM5/28/13
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On 5/28/2013 12:29 PM, Jahnu wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2013 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flak...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Typical for a weakminded and GULLIBLE FOOL
>> For me, atheism is just another drug
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100433984241618
You're showing the wrong end of the bull.
> On Tue, 28 May 2013 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flak...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Typical for a weakminded and GULLIBLE FOOL
>> For me, atheism is just another drug
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100433984241618
> Have a look at my art -
>
Jahnu
May 28, 2013, 1:51:53 PM5/28/13
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:32:46 -0500, Tom McDonald <kil...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>You're showing the wrong end of the bull.
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869100438596613170
Have a look at my art -
wrote:
>You're showing the wrong end of the bull.
Have a look at my art -
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