Message from discussion Questions about degree's

From: revj...@aol.com (RevJimS)
Subject: Re: Questions about degree's
Date: 1996/09/05
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In article <50hv7p$...@news.enter.net>, positivechu...@enter.net (K.
Winston Caine) writes:

>
>4. If you really believe the State of Ohio personnel department views the

>doctoral degrees issued by ULC as fully accredited, call them. Ask: "Is a

>Ph.D. issued by the Universal Life Church--mailed to anyone who sends in 
>$100 and answers 20 or so true/false questions--recognized as the
equivalent 
>of a Ph.D. from an accredited university?"

You misunderstand my response.  You were assuming that the State of Ohio
does not recognize, nor evr will recognize, ULC degrees.  My response was
to the effect of:  Who made you Director of Personnel for the State of
Ohio, and who made you all powerful to see into what Ohio will do in the
future ?  For your information, when I applied for my Ohio license, I had
to present my ordination certificate and degree from ULC, and it is upon
those documents that the State of Ohio, operating under Ohio Revised Code,
granted me a minister's license.


>5. I offered the first response several days ago simply to stop someone
from 
>getting themselves into trouble--which is about all you can do if you go
>around 
>claiming that you hold a fully accredited doctorate from the ULC. Don't
do it
>if you care about your credibility. ULC degrees are not academic degrees
and 
>will not withstand investigation if scrutinized by an employer or
licensing 
>agency or any accredited school you might apply to.

Once again, who are you to question whether ULC degrees will be accepted
by a particular college or corporation.  If you were a ULC minister, you
would know that the education, ordination and degrees from ULC are for the
purpose of carrying on Jesus Christ's mission on Earth, spreading the Word
of God and offering salvation to everyone.  I seem to remember reading
that about 2030 years ago, Jesus worked to spread the Word of God and
offering salvation to everyone.  And what degree did Jesus have ???  Oh,
that's right, you implied someone without a "properly accredited degree"
couldn't do this job.  Sorry, Jesus, Mr. Caine says you cannot do your job
here, you'll just have to leave.

>
>6. I've worked as a reporter since 1970. I  published my first
investigative 
>piece about education alternatives and about diploma mills in 1977. I
regret 
>that I once wrote in a book that if you just want to call yourself
doctor,
>send $100 to the ULC and they'll mail you a Ph.D. I found out very
quickly that 
>most of the respectable world does not consider that acceptable. So I 
>dropped the line. And I'm telling you why and I've told you how to check
out 
>what I've told you. You will not earn any real respect, and run the risk
of 
>ridicule and disgrace in the real world if you ask people to call you
doctor 
>based on a credential issued by the ULC.
>
>
Did your investigative reporting also show that ULC has over 20 million
members worldwide, and over 70,000 ordained ministers, many of whom work
as missionaries, hospital or prison chaplains, running food kitchens,
counseling services, Bible Class, worship services, and other forms of
spreading God's Word by example and teaching ?


Good luck, everybody.
>
 Positive Church Online
>http://www.enter.net/~positivechurch
>
Or could it just be that you are from a "competing" church, and jealous of
the success of ULC ? 

Do yourself a favor.  Ask for God's forgiveness for criticising the
thousands of Christians who are carrying on His work, and ask God to open
your eyes and heart to the real ministry He wants us to perform.



Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D.  D.B.
Ambassador, Universal Life Church
Cleveland, Ohio  USA