German Unit-Aryans?
Robin Edgar
following WWII, subvert the German Unitarian religious community from
the late 1940's up to the late 1980's? Were there Nazi Unitarians even
during in the 1930's?
This post that I made in another UU forum updates the German
Unit-Aryans issue -
> Dietrich Bonhoeffer and other evangelical leaders were ultimately killed by
> Hitler for their unwillingness to rubber stamp his attacks on the
Jews.
>
> Tip
Dare I raise the issue of apparently "sound" and well documented
allegations made by German anti-fascist groups that the German
Unitarian community was subverted by Nazi ideologues following WWII?
I raised this issue some months ago on ICUU-L and my posts about these
allegations were promptly censored and suppressed. It soon became
obvious that it was "verboten" to discuss these allegations on ICUU-L
which, needless to say, did nothing to inspire confidence in me that
these disturbing allegations are largely spurious...
It would seem that my persistent raising of this disturbing issue in
ICUU-L and other UUA lists, which led to being banned for weeks and
even months, actually resulted in the Deutsche Unitarier
Religionsgemeinschaft issuing a statement on their web site as I
suggested they should do in some of my posts. I just found it minutes
ago after running a Google search on German Unitarian Nazi.
http://www.unitarier.de/statement.html
Ironically if one reads this statement it admits that Nazis whose
"degree of being incriminated was superior to a certain level" did in
fact join the Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft following their
release from Allied internment camps and it also makes it clear that
some of them later left the DUR in the 1970's and 1980's and "founded
divergent associations" as is alleged by the anti-fascist activists...
It is not mentioned in this dubious denial that at least one of these
"divergent associations" chose to continue to call themselves
Unitarians. The German word for Unitarian is "Unitarier". The German
word for Aryan is Arier, thus Unitarier could readily be read by Nazi
ideologues as "United Aryans". quite convenient if you did want to
form a camouflage neo-Nazi group.
The DUR statement, which looks like a typical "non-denial denial" to
me, says that "Among those who came then to the D.U. for instance, the
internees again were a minority." This in no way means that this
minority of "incriminated" Nazis did not have influential leadership
positions within the DUR (as alleged by German anti-fascist groups in
fact they claim that the DUR was initially founded by Nazi ideologues
in the late forties or early fifties) nor does it in any way follow
that the majority of non-internee German "Unitarier" did not share the
Nazi ideology of the actual incriminated internees and were not
effectively their "followers".
This non-denial denial concludes by saying "Today, this aspect (of the
1930ies and 1940ies) within our 125 years old history is passed." I
find this interesting because it actually suggests that there were
Nazi Unit-Aryans (as it were) prior to WWII. It ignores the fact that
post WWII "this aspect" actually extended from the late 1940's or
early 1950's right up until the late 1980's if not later. If "this
aspect" of the DUR has in fact ended it only ended quite recently.
Personally I believe that "this aspect" of the German Unitarian
religious community should be responsibly looked into by UUs today and
international Unitarians should take steps to ensutre that any Nazi
influence within the DUR is in fact a thing of the past even if only
the comparatively recent past.
For more information about these allegations run a Google search using
pertinent key words. There is minimal English language information
available but German language anti-fascist sites can be reasonably
accurately translated using Altavista's Babel Fish translator or
similar online translation programs. A search on Unitarier and Nazi
will find most of the German language web sites.
gksh...@ucdavis.edu
> The German word for Unitarian is "Unitarier". The German
> word for Aryan is Arier, thus Unitarier could readily be read by Nazi
> ideologues as "United Aryans". quite convenient if you did want to
> form a camouflage neo-Nazi group.
I make no claim to know much German, nor anything about German
Unitarianism--for all I know you may be correct about the link with
the Nazis. But I question the possibility of a native speaker of
German parsing "unitarier" as "<united>+arier", given that the
word in German for "united" has the noncognate root verein-, as in
"Vereinigten Staaten" = United States, or "Vereinten Nationen" =
United Nations. Dafür ich denke daß deine Hypothese ist ganz
unmöglich, if you'll pardon the expression.
Greg Shenaut
Robin Edgar
Your point is well taken however my point remains very valid. I expect
most Germans fully understand the meaning of the Latin root "Unit" and
"Arier" is the German word for Aryan. The fact of the matter is that
the German anti-fascist groups refer to alleged Nazi Unitarians as
"Unit-Arier" on some of their web sites. Run a Google search on the
term unit-arier and you will see what I mean.
BTW I am not making these allegations I am only reporting allegations
that already exist on the internet and which were first brought to my
attention by a German Unitarian. I am not in a position to verify
these disturbing allegations but I must say that these appear to be
quite well researched and at least founded on some core verifiable
truths. The denials of the Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft
are not very convincing. The attempts by the ICUU and UUA to censor
and suppress my sharing of my concerns about these allegations about
Nazi Unit-Aryans on ICUU-L and other UUA lists such as antiracist-l
tend to indicate that there may be rather more truth to these
disturbing allegations about post-WWII subversion of the German
Unitarian community by Nazi ideologues than UU leaders would care to
admit.
Arthur Meineke
getting boring on this newsgroup. The question I have on this subject is
this. Did these Nazi Unitarians, if they exist, migrate to Argentina? How
would one go about finding out? My German is limited, and although my
Spanish is much better, I am not fluent. Would someone please check on this
and see what they can discover about the Boys in South America.
Later....
"Robin Edgar" <robin...@altavista.com> wrote in message
news:9186418c.03013...@posting.google.com...
Robin Edgar
> Thank you, Robin, for starting this thread of discussion. Things were
> getting boring on this newsgroup. The question I have on this subject is
> this. Did these Nazi Unitarians, if they exist, migrate to Argentina? How
> would one go about finding out? My German is limited, and although my
> Spanish is much better, I am not fluent. Would someone please check on this
> and see what they can discover about the Boys in South America.
> Later....
The whole point is that these alleged Nazi Unitarians were prominent
and influential members of the post-WWII German Unitarian community
from about 1950 to the late 1980's if not well into the 1990's. Most
if not all of those German Unitarians named in these allegations are
now dead. Ironically the rather dubious official DUR denials actually
indicate that there may well have been Nazi German Unitarians even in
the 1930's and during WWII.
My German is limited but I took two semesters worth of German courses
in college so with the BabelFish translator informed by my basic
knowledge of German I can get a pretty firm grasp on the German
language allegations. They are not flattering and they look pretty
well researchedc and documented and quite plausible. At one point in
my sharing of my concerns about these allegations on ICUU-L one German
Unitarian said that the allegations about Nazi German were "absolutely
not true". I followed up by asking if the specific allegations about
individual named German Unitarian leaders who were alleged to be
former SS members etc. were "absolutely not true". There was no
response at all to my pointed questions and then the "moderator" of
the list moved to suppress the whole subject by calling for an end to
any and all discussion of these allegations. This is all
well-documented. You can join ICUU-L and download the whole list
archives. Run a search on appropriate key words and phrases within the
file and you will see not only the specific allegations but how UUs
responded to censor and suppress them when I shared my legitimate
concerns about them on ICUU-L...