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bd4u.utah
Dec 29, 2011, 12:06:51 PM12/29/11
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Would not be an agenda in politics if
the government were not involved in
religion. Marriage is based upon religious
belief. It is not a secular one. As such it is
unconstitutional for government to license
and/or legislate the affairs of Marriage.
There is absolutely NO provisions in ANY
religion that gives the State power over
marriage.
Indeed, since government has become
involved in marriage look what has happened
to it as an institution.
The covenant of marriage is between man,
woman, and God. No where in the covenant
of marriage is there the Government. That is
of course unless the Government makes it
their business. Which in my humble opinion
it shouldn't, and there is ample evidence to
prove it.
bd4u.utah
the government were not involved in
religion. Marriage is based upon religious
belief. It is not a secular one. As such it is
unconstitutional for government to license
and/or legislate the affairs of Marriage.
There is absolutely NO provisions in ANY
religion that gives the State power over
marriage.
Indeed, since government has become
involved in marriage look what has happened
to it as an institution.
The covenant of marriage is between man,
woman, and God. No where in the covenant
of marriage is there the Government. That is
of course unless the Government makes it
their business. Which in my humble opinion
it shouldn't, and there is ample evidence to
prove it.
bd4u.utah
Kat
Dec 29, 2011, 2:15:36 PM12/29/11
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are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.
Kat
Dec 29, 2011, 2:35:07 PM12/29/11
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*did not fail to disappoint, rather. I really must learn to save my
final draft until after my coffee.
final draft until after my coffee.
bd4u.utah
Dec 31, 2011, 3:14:39 PM12/31/11
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definition is NOT a Marriage. I also note that you are trying to
make it a sectarian argument which it isn't, it's purely political.
Take politics out of Marriage, and it ends the argument. It's that
simple.
bd4u.utah
Kat
Dec 31, 2011, 4:47:52 PM12/31/11
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each other before friends and family and whatever they perceive to be
a higher power.. yes, that IS a marriage. It doesn't matter what faith
it is based around. It doesn't matter if people are gay or straight.
> I also note that you are trying to
> make it a sectarian argument which it isn't, it's purely political.
> Take politics out of Marriage, and it ends the argument. It's that
> simple.
>
> bd4u.utah
instead.
bd4u.utah
Jan 1, 2012, 5:18:22 AM1/1/12
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matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.
>
> > I also note that you are trying to
> > make it a sectarian argument which it isn't, it's purely political.
> > Take politics out of Marriage, and it ends the argument. It's that
> > simple.
>
> > bd4u.utah
>
> How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
> instead.
a sectarian argument when it isn't. All the sudden legislation
makes marriage another entitlement program, and Gays
want to be included. Well I don't blame them, because as
long as Marriage is legislated it immediately becomes an
equal rights issue because of it.
Funny how for millennial before they started legislating
marriage the question of Gay Marriage was never raised,
or became an issue. See the issue here isn't Gay, and it
isn't Marriage, it's Politics where it has no business.
bd4u.utah
xl_...@yahoo.com
Jan 1, 2012, 6:38:31 AM1/1/12
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Some authority, MUST be involved in marital affairs, simply because,
this instutition involves, the creation of children.
Thus, SOMEONE must take responsibility for them.
We've seen in America, where children were abandoned and left to
wander the streets, all because of failed marriages. And even if the
couple remained together.
Marriage licensing, is a legal tool for the government, to hold people
accountable for child welfare ,AND THAT IS ALL!!!!!!!!!
Otherwise, why would anyone care?
LOL
Validation: rerpopa
this instutition involves, the creation of children.
Thus, SOMEONE must take responsibility for them.
We've seen in America, where children were abandoned and left to
wander the streets, all because of failed marriages. And even if the
couple remained together.
Marriage licensing, is a legal tool for the government, to hold people
accountable for child welfare ,AND THAT IS ALL!!!!!!!!!
Otherwise, why would anyone care?
LOL
Validation: rerpopa
Kat
Jan 1, 2012, 1:29:31 PM1/1/12
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this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!
>
> Funny how for millennial before they started legislating
> marriage the question of Gay Marriage was never raised,
> or became an issue. See the issue here isn't Gay, and it
> isn't Marriage, it's Politics where it has no business.
>
> bd4u.utah
minorities to be protected. Not just racial minorities, but religious
minorities as well. Racial rights were a long hard fight for our
country. Gay/lesbian/transgender rights are the next thing that we
must recognize as a country. Gays and lesbians and transgendered
people are human beings and should have the same rights as the rest of
us.
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 1, 2012, 2:38:09 PM1/1/12
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Kat, my son and his wife married themselves on their backpoarch in
Denver, Colorado. All they had to do was obtain a license. Is there
anything wrong with this procedure. Religion always wants to stick
their nose in everyones business.
Kat
Jan 1, 2012, 6:00:20 PM1/1/12
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secular institution, it must be protected from prejudice when a
majority seeks to deprive the minority in obtaining it.
bd4u.utah
Jan 1, 2012, 6:02:33 PM1/1/12
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Marriage became legislated.
Ya'll have a right to disagree, just as much
as I have to voice my opinions, and observations.
The word is out, and I'm outa here.
l8r..
bd4u.utah
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 1, 2012, 7:07:17 PM1/1/12
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Is someone infringing on your rights?
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ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 1, 2012, 7:06:30 PM1/1/12
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I agree. If I don't believe in God, why should I ask Him to sanctifiy
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my wedding?
bd4u.utah
Jan 1, 2012, 9:14:01 PM1/1/12
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Looking at the current breakup rates between
heterosexual vs homosexual relationships over
the last 50 years. Heterosexual relationships
have gotten to the point that they break up
just as frequently as Homosexual relationships.
Meaning the Divorce rate has increased between
heterosexual partners while with Homosexual
partners the rate has remained constant.
So you have to ask yourselves what is the
difference. Why has the Divorce rate skyrocketed,
and Homosexual breakups not? I think the
answer is pretty obvious. Heterosexual Marriage
has a history of being legislated, while
Homosexual Marriage does not! But if you
Legislate Homosexual Marriage, and give it 50
years, I can pretty much tell you ahead of time
what the result is.
What I have listed is simply the cause of the
problems, the list of problems legislating
marriage causes I haven't found an end to yet.
Ya'll have listed many of them
already without even realizing it.
bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah
Jan 1, 2012, 9:18:02 PM1/1/12
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get married. It's government legislation that requires it,
not religion.
Again, you are looking at the result of Marriage being
legislated, which would not exist if it wasn't.
bd4u.utah
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 1, 2012, 9:47:09 PM1/1/12
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Why should I break the law and pay the consequences, that's dumb. As
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long as the law allows me to marry without interference by the church,
why not?
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 1, 2012, 10:25:17 PM1/1/12
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All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
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all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
Department of Wildlife. Then we could get rid of all those
cocksuckers and sodomites and clean up humanities act in the process.
Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
happier than we live now.
Kat
Jan 1, 2012, 10:37:21 PM1/1/12
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reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 12:04:49 AM1/2/12
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Oh my Dirkum
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Oh my Dirkum
Oh my Dirkum
Oh my Dirkum is a foodnam woudee.
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 1:05:26 AM1/2/12
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I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
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to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: “You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
seeds in vain”)
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
Sources:
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
Peter Schilte
Jan 2, 2012, 1:03:51 AM1/2/12
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themselves but are afraid to admit it to themselves and their social
environment.
It seems that 10% of all people are gay. So you'd have a huge job at
hand. And don't forget doing yourself!
Sir Peter
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 2:44:00 AM1/2/12
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Bullshit. The God fearing majority should not be subject to the laws
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of the godless minority.
Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
Jan 2, 2012, 2:55:44 AM1/2/12
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In article <9713523b-1c48-45e0...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai says...
>
>On Jan 1, 8:37=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 10:25=A0pm, NefeshBarYochai <tach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29 2011, 12:15=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > > know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, eve=
>seeds in vain=94)
>Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta=92aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
to be ironic? A Jew who rationalizes state-sponsored
tyranny with his religious opinions -- in the same manner
that Hitler rationalized state-sponsored tyranny with
his religious opinions? Maybe it holds some appeal
to New York intelligentsia who "get it" and will converse
about it for ten minutes over fine wine before changing
the subject. Feh.
NefeshBarYochai says...
>
>On Jan 1, 8:37=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 10:25=A0pm, NefeshBarYochai <tach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29 2011, 12:15=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>n
>> > > before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
>> > > common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
>> > > other marital problems.
>>
>> > > Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
>> > > religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
>> > > rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
>> > > black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
>> > > transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
>> > > the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
>> > > intellectually and spiritually wrong.
>>
>> > > This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
>> > > impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our love=
>> > > before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
>> > > common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
>> > > other marital problems.
>>
>> > > Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
>> > > religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
>> > > rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
>> > > black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
>> > > transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
>> > > the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
>> > > intellectually and spiritually wrong.
>>
>> > > This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
>d
>> > > ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
>> > > to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
>> > > religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
>> > all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
>> > Department of Wildlife. =A0Then we could get rid of all those
>> > > ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
>> > > to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
>> > > religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
>> > all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
>> > cocksuckers and sodomites and clean up humanities act in the process.
>> > Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
>> > happier than we live now.
>>
>> I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
>> reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted =
>> > Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
>> > happier than we live now.
>>
>> I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
>text -
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>
>I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
>to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
>be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
>plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
>Torah where it is written that says: =93You shall not lie with a man as
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
>to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
>be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
>plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
>one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
>homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
>intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
>stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
>excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
>be brought.
>
>Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
>a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
>In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
>receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
>relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
>with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
>must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
>that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
>humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
>offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent =93spilling one=92s
>homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
>intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
>stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
>excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
>be brought.
>
>Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
>a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
>In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
>receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
>relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
>with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
>must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
>that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
>humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
>seeds in vain=94)
>
>Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
>repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
>Sources:
>
>B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
>Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi=92ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
>Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
>repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
>Sources:
>
>B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
>Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta=92aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
>Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
>Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
So, this is some kind of performance art that is meant
>Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
to be ironic? A Jew who rationalizes state-sponsored
tyranny with his religious opinions -- in the same manner
that Hitler rationalized state-sponsored tyranny with
his religious opinions? Maybe it holds some appeal
to New York intelligentsia who "get it" and will converse
about it for ten minutes over fine wine before changing
the subject. Feh.
Peter Schilte
Jan 2, 2012, 3:08:53 AM1/2/12
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Apparently you are unable to do so, seeing your idiotic call "to put a
bounty on all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued
from the Department of Wildlife."
Sir Peter
from the Department of Wildlife."
John Dorsay
Jan 2, 2012, 5:21:18 AM1/2/12
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On 1/2/2012 2:44 AM, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> Bullshit. The God fearing majority should not be subject to the
> laws of the godless minority.
1. Legal recognition of gay marriage does not mean you are forced to
> Bullshit. The God fearing majority should not be subject to the
> laws of the godless minority.
come out and marry your secret butt buddy. You can stay hidden in
your closet until hell freezes over. Nobody cares.
2. Please stop trolling alt.religion.scientology with your
homophobic crap.
With all due respect.
Kat
Jan 2, 2012, 11:53:05 AM1/2/12
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If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.
> <snip>
The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
John Manning
Jan 2, 2012, 11:56:44 AM1/2/12
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How shameful.
Kat
Jan 2, 2012, 12:09:34 PM1/2/12
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On Jan 2, 11:56 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> It's interesting that Jew would recommend mass human slaughter.
> How shameful.
^^ Truth.
>
> It's interesting that Jew would recommend mass human slaughter.
> How shameful.
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 1:38:01 PM1/2/12
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Queers are bad most people agree on that. The G-d fearing majority
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should not be subject to the immoral laws of the g-dless minority.
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 2:06:23 PM1/2/12
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Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?
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ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 2:09:14 PM1/2/12
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>
> Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
> a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
> In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
> receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
> relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
> with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
> must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
> that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
> humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
> offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
> seeds in vain”)
Why would Abn Ezra have anything to do with anothers life?
> Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
> a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
> In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
> receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
> relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
> with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
> must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
> that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
> humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
> offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
> seeds in vain”)
>
> Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
> repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
> Sources:
>
> B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
> Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
> Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
> Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
> Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.- Hide quoted text -
> Sources:
>
> B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
> Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
> Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
> Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Kat
Jan 2, 2012, 2:17:34 PM1/2/12
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as it was the majority asserting its will over the minority?
When Jews were gassed, burned alive and tortured during the holocaust,
you found that morally acceptable as it was the majority asserting its
will over the minority?
Give me a break!
"A March 2011 telephone-survey of 1005 adults by ABC News and the
Washington Post found that, for the first time, the majority of
Americans favor same-sex marriage. 53 percent of those polled
supported same-sex marriage while 44 percent remained opposed"
The majority supports same sex marriage.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1994/poll-support-for-acceptance-of-homosexuality-gay-parenting-marriage
58% of the population polled.. THE MAJORITY.. stated that
homosexuality is not "wrong".
You may have the right to think and say what you want, but your hate-
filled bigotry isn't shared with the social majority. No homo hunting
season for you, Elmer Fudd.
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 2:10:01 PM1/2/12
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ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 2:12:54 PM1/2/12
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John Manning
Jan 2, 2012, 3:11:20 PM1/2/12
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Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal - Questions Whether It Is
Latent Homosexuality Or A Response to Anxiety
Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger,
discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold
for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that
the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the
August issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the
American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical
evidence that is consistent with that theory.
Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment
involving 35 homophobic men and 29 non-homophobic men as measured by the
Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study
described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual
arousal and experience.
Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli
consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but
not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was
measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records
male tumescence.
Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video
depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two
women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in
degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the
video depicting male homosexual sex: "The homophobic men showed a
significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual
video, but the control [non-homophobic] men did not."
Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the
non-homophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the
male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or
no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the non-homophobic men
showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of
the homophobic men did.
When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to
which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in
both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of
the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the
homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by
the male homosexual video.
Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to
repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their
findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is
another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this
theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative
emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the
non-homophobic men.
As the authors note, "anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and
erection," and so it is also possible that "a response to homosexual
stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than
sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be
evaluated by future research."
Reference:
Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? by Henry E. Adams,
Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, in Journal of
Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.
Via: http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/glb/glbtphobia.html
Here are links to the paper and the questionnaire:
http://www.bgsu.edu/downloads/sa/file14259.pdf
https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 5:08:37 PM1/2/12
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>
> 58% of the population polled.. THE MAJORITY.. stated that
> homosexuality is not "wrong".
>
> You may have the right to think and say what you want, but your hate-
> filled bigotry isn't shared with the social majority. No homo hunting
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> 58% of the population polled.. THE MAJORITY.. stated that
> homosexuality is not "wrong".
>
> You may have the right to think and say what you want, but your hate-
> filled bigotry isn't shared with the social majority. No homo hunting
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It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
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because it carries disease. No hate invovled at all. Same with the
homos.
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 5:07:22 PM1/2/12
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ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 5:21:24 PM1/2/12
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Thank you for the references. If I believed in God, I'd have to
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believe God made a lot of strange people.
Kat
Jan 2, 2012, 6:19:33 PM1/2/12
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> It not a matter of hate.
I beg to differ. You are filled with nothing BUT hate. To want to
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>
> It not a matter of hate.
round up and slaughter people takes a very large amount of hate!
> When a fly gets in the house it is killed
> because it carries disease.
beings are not flies, you sicko.
> No hate invovled at all. Same with the
> homos.
heterosexual contact... from a man. Does that mean we should shoot all
the men to prevent disease? No!
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 2, 2012, 6:26:43 PM1/2/12
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beliefs?
Kat
Jan 2, 2012, 6:41:03 PM1/2/12
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Peter Schilte
Jan 2, 2012, 8:40:39 PM1/2/12
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Peter Schilte
Jan 2, 2012, 8:38:57 PM1/2/12
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Peter Schilte
Jan 2, 2012, 8:41:16 PM1/2/12
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Funny, isn't it?
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 2, 2012, 11:49:21 PM1/2/12
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Kat
Jan 3, 2012, 12:23:31 AM1/3/12
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news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!
Peter Schilte
Jan 3, 2012, 12:39:50 AM1/3/12
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valid arguments left.
You however call for the "Endlösung" of homosexuals, which is what the
Nazi's did, among some other things.
Sir Peter
Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
Jan 3, 2012, 1:34:49 AM1/3/12
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In article <92779055-0596-43e5...@r16g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai says...
>homos.
You remind me of a mental patient I used to see hanging out
under the el all day long trying to pick up women with insane
pick-up lines. We used to buy him pizzas just to hear him
tell us about what a ladies man he was. It was hilarious.
NefeshBarYochai says...
>
>It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
>because it carries disease. No hate involved at all. Same with the
>It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
>homos.
You remind me of a mental patient I used to see hanging out
under the el all day long trying to pick up women with insane
pick-up lines. We used to buy him pizzas just to hear him
tell us about what a ladies man he was. It was hilarious.
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 3, 2012, 1:02:42 PM1/3/12
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On Jan 2, 11:34 pm, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer <Lydig_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <92779055-0596-43e5-83f9-874101e85...@r16g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
You remind me of a sodomite that has AIDS.
wrote:
> In article <92779055-0596-43e5-83f9-874101e85...@r16g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 3, 2012, 1:01:56 PM1/3/12
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I suggest you by an island in the pacific and help move gays from all
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over the world to that island, kind of like what they use to do with
the lepers. Then when the filth of sodomy starts blowing over to the
good peoples continent all we need do is nuke the island and then we
would be free of the plague and filth of gays (may they all rot in
hell).
Kat
Jan 3, 2012, 1:15:25 PM1/3/12
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in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.
Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.
As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 3, 2012, 1:49:38 PM1/3/12
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NefeshBarYochai
Jan 3, 2012, 4:47:12 PM1/3/12
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Blow it out your ass hog.
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ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 3, 2012, 5:01:50 PM1/3/12
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Now, there is a brilliant response !!! ;-))))
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Volkov
Jan 3, 2012, 6:14:31 PM1/3/12
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On 1/2/2012 1:05 AM, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> On Jan 1, 8:37 pm, Kat<ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
I simply don't believe the fairy tales.
You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.
My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.
Volkov
> On Jan 1, 8:37 pm, Kat<ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> happier than we live now.
>>
>> I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
>> reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
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>
> I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
> to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
> be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
> to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
> be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
> plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
> Torah where it is written that says: “You shall not lie with a man as
> one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
> homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
> intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
> stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
> excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
> be brought.
>
> Torah where it is written that says: “You shall not lie with a man as
> one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
> homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
> intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
> stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
> excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
> be brought.
>
> Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
> a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
> In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
> receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
> relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
> with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
> must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
> that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
> humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
> offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
> seeds in vain”)
>
> a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
> In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
> receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
> relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
> with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
> must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
> that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
> humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
> offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
> seeds in vain”)
>
> Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
> repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
> repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
> Sources:
>
> B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
> Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
> Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
> Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
> Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
I'm ashamed to have been born Jewish because of your post, and also why
>
> B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
> Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
> Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
> Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
> Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
I simply don't believe the fairy tales.
You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.
My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.
Volkov
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 3, 2012, 6:18:06 PM1/3/12
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> > one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
> > homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
> > intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
> > stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
> > excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
> > be brought.
>
> > Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
> > a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
> > In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
> > receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
> > relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
> > with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
> > must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
> > that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
> > humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
> > offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent �spilling one�s
> > homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
> > intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
> > stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
> > excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
> > be brought.
>
> > Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
> > a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
> > In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
> > receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
> > relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
> > with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
> > must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
> > that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
> > humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
> > seeds in vain�)
>
> > Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
> > repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
> > Sources:
>
> > B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
> > Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi�ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
> > Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
> > repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
> > Sources:
>
> > B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
> > Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta�aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
> > Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
> > Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
>
> I'm ashamed to have been born Jewish because of your post, and also why
> I simply don't believe the fairy tales.
>
> You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.
>
> My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
> he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.
>
> Volkov- Hide quoted text -
> > Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
>
> I'm ashamed to have been born Jewish because of your post, and also why
> I simply don't believe the fairy tales.
>
> You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.
>
> My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
> he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.
>
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It was because of the homosexuals.
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Kat
Jan 3, 2012, 6:22:08 PM1/3/12
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acting like a big man on the internet. So quick to anger, so quick to
hate, so quick to break the commandments of the faith they cite as the
reasons for their hate.
What's the matter widdle guy, afraid some big mean gay man is going to
put it in your pooper and you will be forced to admit your years of
repressed sexual desire for the all-mighty penis?
John Dorsay
Jan 3, 2012, 6:40:17 PM1/3/12
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<snip>
>> Blow it out your ass hog.
>
> And here is yet another perfect example of another limp-dicked asshole
> acting like a big man on the internet. So quick to anger, so quick to
> hate, so quick to break the commandments of the faith they cite as the
> reasons for their hate.
>
> What's the matter widdle guy, afraid some big mean gay man is going to
> put it in your pooper and you will be forced to admit your years of
> repressed sexual desire for the all-mighty penis?
Shame on you, Kat! You've made the homophobic asshole's homophobic
asshole all tingly with excitement and anticipation. He won't be
able to sit still for weeks!
John
>> Blow it out your ass hog.
>
> And here is yet another perfect example of another limp-dicked asshole
> acting like a big man on the internet. So quick to anger, so quick to
> hate, so quick to break the commandments of the faith they cite as the
> reasons for their hate.
>
> What's the matter widdle guy, afraid some big mean gay man is going to
> put it in your pooper and you will be forced to admit your years of
> repressed sexual desire for the all-mighty penis?
asshole all tingly with excitement and anticipation. He won't be
able to sit still for weeks!
John
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 3, 2012, 6:37:21 PM1/3/12
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It is sad that your grandfather had to endure such horrors. I've seen
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some myself.
NefeshBarYochai
Jan 3, 2012, 8:28:21 PM1/3/12
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Kat
Jan 3, 2012, 8:45:03 PM1/3/12
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You seem to have an obsession with blowing and asses and what gay men
do between the sheets. Have something about yourself you want to tell
us?
do between the sheets. Have something about yourself you want to tell
us?
Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
Jan 3, 2012, 9:41:59 PM1/3/12
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In article <9713523b-1c48-45e0...@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai says...
>
>On Jan 1, 8:37=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 10:25=A0pm, NefeshBarYochai <tach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29 2011, 12:15=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > > know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, eve=
>seeds in vain=94)
>Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta=92aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
that your call for the death penalty for homosexuals
is just a return to an old Jewish tradition. I mean, here
you are quoting Torah and scholars and all. Now, I was
willing to give you the benefit of a doubt before
looking into it -- coulda been that you guys wacked
homos back in the day. Got pretty brutal. But, see I
don't take anybody's word when it comes to heavy
shit like this because let's face it -- it's real easy to
make up stuff that looks right to somebody but
it's really bullshit and then you use it to mess
with people you don't like. Like the Nazis did with
the propaganda that Jews were sub-human and such.
No disrespect, just making a point is all. Anyway,
when I found this explanation about capital
punishment for homosexuals in Jewish history,
I say to myself, see, smart to look into this for
myself and not take the word of just anybody:
"However, even in Biblical times, it was very
difficult to get a conviction that would lead to
this prescribed punishment. The Jewish oral law
states that capital punishment would only be
applicable if two men were caught in the act of
anal sex, if there were two witnesses to the act,
if the two witnesses warned the men involved
that they committed a capital offense, and the
two men - or the willing party, in case of rape
- subsequently acknowledged the warning but
continued to engage in the prohibited act anyway.
As such, it is not surprising that there is no
account of capital punishment, in regards to
this law, in Jewish history."
Not even "rarely imposed" -- "there is no
account of capital punishment, in regards to
this law, in Jewish history."
So like, you're gonna start a *new* "old" tradition?
Do you think you're a prophet or something?
You sound like a bitter old man to me who
just gets off on hating. We need *fewer* of
your kind here in America, not more. Don't
come around my neighborhood looking for
trouble because you will find it. Stay in your
room. Think about what you're representing
and pray or study or whatever, but you need
to get your head on right, and you're head
is just not right right now and I just proved it.
NefeshBarYochai says...
>
>On Jan 1, 8:37=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 10:25=A0pm, NefeshBarYochai <tach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29 2011, 12:15=A0pm, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>n
>> > > before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
>> > > common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
>> > > other marital problems.
>>
>> > > Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
>> > > religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
>> > > rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
>> > > black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
>> > > transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
>> > > the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
>> > > intellectually and spiritually wrong.
>>
>> > > This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
>> > > impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our love=
>> > > before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
>> > > common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
>> > > other marital problems.
>>
>> > > Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
>> > > religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
>> > > rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
>> > > black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
>> > > transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
>> > > the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
>> > > intellectually and spiritually wrong.
>>
>> > > This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
>d
>> > > ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
>> > > to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
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>> > All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
>> > all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
>> > Department of Wildlife. =A0Then we could get rid of all those
>> > > ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
>> > > to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
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>> > All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
>> > all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
>> > cocksuckers and sodomites and clean up humanities act in the process.
>> > Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
>> > Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
>> > happier than we live now.
>>
>> I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
>> reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted =
>>
>> I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
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>
>I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
>to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
>be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
>plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
>Torah where it is written that says: =93You shall not lie with a man as
>to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
>be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
>plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
>one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
>homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
>intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
>stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
>excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
>be brought.
>
>Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
>a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
>In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
>receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
>relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
>with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
>must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
>that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
>humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
>offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent =93spilling one=92s
>homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
>intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
>stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
>excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
>be brought.
>
>Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
>a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
>In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
>receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
>relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
>with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
>must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
>that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
>humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
>seeds in vain=94)
>
>Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
>repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
>Sources:
>
>B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
>Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi=92ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
>Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
>repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
>
>Sources:
>
>B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
>Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta=92aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
>Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
>Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
Some people reading what you wrote might conclude
>Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.
that your call for the death penalty for homosexuals
is just a return to an old Jewish tradition. I mean, here
you are quoting Torah and scholars and all. Now, I was
willing to give you the benefit of a doubt before
looking into it -- coulda been that you guys wacked
homos back in the day. Got pretty brutal. But, see I
don't take anybody's word when it comes to heavy
shit like this because let's face it -- it's real easy to
make up stuff that looks right to somebody but
it's really bullshit and then you use it to mess
with people you don't like. Like the Nazis did with
the propaganda that Jews were sub-human and such.
No disrespect, just making a point is all. Anyway,
when I found this explanation about capital
punishment for homosexuals in Jewish history,
I say to myself, see, smart to look into this for
myself and not take the word of just anybody:
"However, even in Biblical times, it was very
difficult to get a conviction that would lead to
this prescribed punishment. The Jewish oral law
states that capital punishment would only be
applicable if two men were caught in the act of
anal sex, if there were two witnesses to the act,
if the two witnesses warned the men involved
that they committed a capital offense, and the
two men - or the willing party, in case of rape
- subsequently acknowledged the warning but
continued to engage in the prohibited act anyway.
As such, it is not surprising that there is no
account of capital punishment, in regards to
this law, in Jewish history."
Not even "rarely imposed" -- "there is no
account of capital punishment, in regards to
this law, in Jewish history."
So like, you're gonna start a *new* "old" tradition?
Do you think you're a prophet or something?
You sound like a bitter old man to me who
just gets off on hating. We need *fewer* of
your kind here in America, not more. Don't
come around my neighborhood looking for
trouble because you will find it. Stay in your
room. Think about what you're representing
and pray or study or whatever, but you need
to get your head on right, and you're head
is just not right right now and I just proved it.
bd4u.utah
Jan 11, 2012, 1:45:36 AM1/11/12
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far beyond Homosexuality.
Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
two fold.
1) Abstinence before Marriage
2) One partner for life eternally.
"As it was in the beginning, so shall it
be in the end."
bd4u.utah
Kat
Jan 11, 2012, 12:11:26 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 1:45 am, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The problem is that AIDS is an epidemic that goes
> far beyond Homosexuality.
>
> Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
> two fold.
>
> 1) Abstinence before Marriage
The failure of the abstinence only education programs pretty much
>
> The problem is that AIDS is an epidemic that goes
> far beyond Homosexuality.
>
> Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
> two fold.
>
> 1) Abstinence before Marriage
invalidates that possibility.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/623?task=view
It especially has not worked in Africa, where religious organizations
went and told people that condoms were a sin. SO MANY PEOPLE GOT AIDS
THAT A GENETIC MUTATION OCCURRED WITHIN THE POPULATION TO TRY AND
FIGHT IT!
Also... AIDS is spread ways other than sex, just ask all the poor
bastards who got tainted transfusions, organs or other tissue over the
years. Ask children born of mothers with the disorder. Ask rape
victims. Ask anyone dumb enough to share a tainted drug needle.
>
> 2) One partner for life eternally.
partner who is beating them senseless every night instead of finding
someone who will respect them?
How do you plan to enforce the one partner rule?
I'm sorry but this is completely unrealistic and will do nothing to
stop the pandemic of HIV. You know what works? Education and
contraception. Clean needle programs for those dumb enough to shoot
up. Harsher penalties for rapists. Harsher penalties for companies who
harvest and sell tainted organs/transfusion material.
Religious organizations not condemning condom use would help too.
Clearly it hasn't stopped people from having sex, but it HAS made the
problem far worse.
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 11, 2012, 1:06:58 PM1/11/12
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Kat
Jan 11, 2012, 1:20:11 PM1/11/12
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It blows my mind that people *still* insist that encouraging
abstinence and condemning contraceptive use can prevent the spread of
HIV after what happened in Africa. It literally makes my stomach turn
whenever I see that. So many needless, preventable deaths...
abstinence and condemning contraceptive use can prevent the spread of
HIV after what happened in Africa. It literally makes my stomach turn
whenever I see that. So many needless, preventable deaths...
ancient...@yahoo.com
Jan 11, 2012, 1:40:09 PM1/11/12
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naturally'. The answer is to eliminate disease, not sex.
bd4u.utah
Jan 11, 2012, 11:24:26 PM1/11/12
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the epidemic. The fact that it is NOT being
"contained", kind of speaks for itself.
bd4u.utah
Jan 11, 2012, 11:36:02 PM1/11/12
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won't get very far.
bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah
Jan 11, 2012, 11:34:07 PM1/11/12
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seem to think Abstinence somehow
condemns contraception.
On the other hand, NO contraception works
100%, but abstinence does as long as you
faithfully practice it.
Problem is, most people are not mature
and responsible enough to practice it
faithfully.
bd4u.utah
Kat
Jan 12, 2012, 12:29:21 AM1/12/12
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On Jan 11, 11:24 pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I said it was the "easiest" way to "contain"
> the epidemic. The fact that it is NOT being
> "contained", kind of speaks for itself.
Its a completely unrealistic way to "contain" the epidemic for two
> I said it was the "easiest" way to "contain"
> the epidemic. The fact that it is NOT being
> "contained", kind of speaks for itself.
very large and glaring reasons:
1) Needle sharing among drug users
2) Rape
Add to this fact your "one partner for life" rule, which would be
impossible to police and would inevitably result in a lot of miserable
people.. and dead people from spousal abuse.
Kat
Jan 12, 2012, 12:41:58 AM1/12/12
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On Jan 11, 11:34 pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 11:20 am, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 11, 1:06 pm, ancientofday...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.
>
> > It blows my mind that people *still* insist that encouraging
> > abstinence and condemning contraceptive use can prevent the spread of
> > HIV after what happened in Africa. It literally makes my stomach turn
> > whenever I see that. So many needless, preventable deaths...
>
> What blows my mind is that some people
> seem to think Abstinence somehow
> condemns contraception.
Tell that to the Catholic church and several other religious
> On Jan 11, 11:20 am, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 11, 1:06 pm, ancientofday...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.
>
> > It blows my mind that people *still* insist that encouraging
> > abstinence and condemning contraceptive use can prevent the spread of
> > HIV after what happened in Africa. It literally makes my stomach turn
> > whenever I see that. So many needless, preventable deaths...
>
> What blows my mind is that some people
> seem to think Abstinence somehow
> condemns contraception.
organizations that condemn condom use. Organizations, I might add,
that went into rural and impoverished areas and spread that message,
resulting in increased rates of HIV transmission. The Catholic church
has even publicly claimed that condoms are full of tiny invisible
holes that let the HIV virus through and therefore should not be used!
>
> On the other hand, NO contraception works
> 100%, but abstinence does as long as you
> faithfully practice it.
>
> Problem is, most people are not mature
> and responsible enough to practice it
> faithfully.
Kat
Jan 12, 2012, 12:46:39 AM1/12/12
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On Jan 11, 11:36 pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> People who put the cart before the horse
> won't get very far.
Opinion, nothing more.
>
> People who put the cart before the horse
> won't get very far.
Sex is a natural part of our existence. To demonize a basic biological
function is absurd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az8GPSOdR2g
bd4u.utah
Jan 12, 2012, 11:16:09 AM1/12/12
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about people taking personal responsibility.
Obviously Abstinence won't work as long as there
are people like you around to disagree with it.
Abstinence builds character, some people
simply don't have any. Not in this world.
But this I tell you truly, if you don't have sex
outside of marriage and don't do drugs. IOW
live a moral life, your chances of getting Aids
are slim to none. By any other definition, that's
called "containment".
bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah
Jan 12, 2012, 11:27:24 AM1/12/12
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Where is the relevance?
bd4u.utah
Kat
Jan 12, 2012, 2:13:36 PM1/12/12
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The relevance is that attaching religious dogma to basic biological
functions is absurd.
Kat
Jan 12, 2012, 2:12:02 PM1/12/12
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On Jan 12, 11:16 am, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Who said anything about policing, I'm talking
> about people taking personal responsibility.
.... Policing is a large part of assuring that people don't run free
>
> Who said anything about policing, I'm talking
> about people taking personal responsibility.
RAPING people. You can preach personal responsibility all you want,
but a responsible woman (or man) can still have her home broken into
and be violated even if she is responsible.
> Obviously Abstinence won't work as long as there
> are people like you around to disagree with it.
birth control due to my heart condition, so I waited for marriage.
My personal sense of responsibility however, was nearly negated by a
very evil man in a parking lot. Yay for self defense classes, or else
I would have become a statistic.
THAT is why I state that abstinence doesn't work. You can control
yourself, but you cannot control the people around you. So kindly
don't blame ME for what humanity has been doing for hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of years.
>
> Abstinence builds character, some people
> simply don't have any. Not in this world.
>
> But this I tell you truly, if you don't have sex
> outside of marriage and don't do drugs. IOW
> live a moral life, your chances of getting Aids
> are slim to none. By any other definition, that's
> called "containment".
>
> bd4u.utah
predators aren't concerned with living a "moral" life. You cannot stop
them with dogma.
dsharavi
Jan 12, 2012, 3:34:52 PM1/12/12
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Kat
Jan 12, 2012, 4:04:40 PM1/12/12
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On Jan 12, 3:34 pm, dsharavi <deshar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So, then, one can fuck anyone whom one pleases?
I didn't say that. There ARE important limitations to place on sex,
>
> So, then, one can fuck anyone whom one pleases?
gender simply isn't among them. These limitations, imo, include
1) Consent: Kids cant give it. Adults can deny it (no means no).
2) Incest: I don't think I need to explain why it is a bad idea to
copulate with your relatives.
I see nothing wrong with two unrelated adults having consensual sex.
They are capable of making that decision, they have that right.
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