Re: God warns against talking to the dead in scriptures.
Josef Oswald
> http://www.usasurvival.org/ck7502.shtml
>
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES REPORTS:
> MOON IS GOD
BTW Bruce why don't you think this is a relevant topic for the
news-group alt.religion.unification?
from the site:
WHILE ADVERTISEMENT IN TIMES FROM ANOTHER MOON FRONT QUOTES JESUS CHRIST
AS SAYING THAT MOON IS THE SECOND COMING.
To say that one "received" the mission as the second coming is NOT
saying one is God. Of course "Christians" believe that Jesus "IS" God,
but our friend "Bruce Daniel D" wouldn't believe that either as to him
Jesus was just a "regular" Jew....
IMON
:-)
Josef Oswald
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so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
A fitting line for many of our critics:
=====
One liar can spread more falsehoods than a thousand honest men can correct.
Peace Crusader
The only way by which we can enter the kingdom of God is by meeting the
following requirements:
1. Believe, accept, and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is true God AND
true man; AND
2. Follow His commandments.
We will not qualify if we just say that we are Christians, that we
believe in Jesus Christ, and yet we do not follow His commandments. If
we believe in Jesus Christ as king of our lives, then we will obey what
He commands. And what does He command? That we love God with all our
life, with all our soul, with all our strength, and that we love our
fellowmen like we love ourself.
Those who do not believe that Jesus Christ is true God do not meet the
above requirements. And what do you think will happen to them?
The peace of the true God be with us now and always.
With love, your brother in Jesus,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader
Motto: pro aris et focis
http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/
gig...@netscape.net
about sun myung moon to alt.religion.unification.
Don'tcha all know moon is conducting ideological warfare?
Them *moonies* are desperate, and they only have till
2012 to prove it.
What a hell of a world we live in, that it spawns a man
like sun myung moon.
bd4u
no-...@no-religion.com
Well, this proves that religion makes people go insane !!!
Lucifer Morning Star Angel of Death
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism.
For the global holocaust of all Christians especially the women and
children.
>We will not qualify if we just say that we are Christians, that we
>believe in Jesus Christ, and yet we do not follow His commandments.
Well in practical terms in the world today a 'Christian (a Christ-like
person)' is generally a person who 'does not' follow the commandments
of Jesus.
For example
1: Jesus stated 'do not pray in public in the streets or the temples'
and Christians are all too fond of building expensive churches where
the hypocrites can pray surrounded by a sea of poverty.
2: Jesus stated 'do not carry money nor purse nor have two robes nor
shoes and do not have servants / slaves' and whereas Christians in the
practical sense do carry money and are usually overt deffenders of the
Capitalist (the worship of mammon / consumerism / materialism) - they
usually claim that they cannot survive in Capitalism without money
(just as any anti-Capitalist would) however while anti-Capitalists have
a loing history of opposing the money system Christians generally
support the Capitalist system and in the state terrorist governments of
the first world (particularly the Anglo - American narco-terrorist
states) a person claiming to be a Christian is the head of both states.
3: Jesus at one point states that it is impossible for a rich person to
enter heaven and then in another occasion states that it is possible
after all but only if they give 'all' their money to the poor.
Christianity however has long been a religion of the rich and the
religious hypocrites and there is about as much chance of the Head of
the British state (Elizabeth Regina whose name is stamped on the head
or the arms of her mercenaries) of the US state (Bush who has massive
Christian / Capitalist support) giving 'all' their wealth to the poor
as there is of the Pope abandoning idolatry.
If you Christians are going to propagate anti-Communism / Capitalism in
the name of a Jewish Communist martyr then it is the Jewish Communists
who shall be your judges in the afterlife and who will ask you 'what
did you do in your life to create the conditions for Communist
revolution?' Why don't you fucking hypocrites promote salvation in the
name of Adam Smith or Alan Greenspan or some Capitalist instead of a
Jewish Communist? No that would not have the same hypnotic effect would
it and you wouldn't be able to make any money out of your religion and
few would be nypnotised by your evil.
Christians. Hypocrites. Brood of Vipers. In eternity you shall end up
with other Capitalists provate propertyists and religious hypocrites
such as yourselves. What you bind on earth you bind in the eternal
world.
The rich and the religious hypocrites (the Christians) shall probably
end up where Jesus predicted they shall go. Many will cry out 'Lord
Lord' etc and I will say 'I never knew you - depart from me you
hypocrites.'
Lucifer
No gods. No masters.
Anarchy is order. Property is Theft.
www.luciferia.tv
For nuclear guerilla war against the Anglo-Amercian Christian State
narco-terrorists and all who collaborate with them
Propaganda is the first stage of war.
More on evangelical Capitalist arm's manufacturer and CIA
narco-terrorist collaborator Moon's 'spiritualism:'
________________________
Full-page Ad in Washington Times on July 4. Quotes Jesus Christ and the
leaders of all the world's religions (from a "seminar in the spirit
world") as saying that Sun Myung Moon is the True Messiah and Second
Coming. This ad even quotes Karl Marx, Stalin, Lenin and Deng Xiao
Ping.
Here is the ad:
"A Cloud of Witnesses: The Saints' Testimonies to the True
Parents"
Preface: What follows is a complex document. It was produced at a
seminar in spirit world for leaders of the five great religions. It
includes testimonies to the True Parents, Reverend and Mrs. Sun Myung
Moon, a letter from God, messages from four communist leaders, and a
resolution written and adopted by the representatives of the five great
religions.
To take this all in, we advise you to relax and open your mind for a
while. If you believe in the existence of a higher dimension of
reality, of God, of an invisible realm, this will call you to reflect
on the implications of that belief. We believe in the spirit world and
in the continuation of individual identity from this world to that one.
All the passed-away saints are residing in spirit world. Since Jesus
called him in 1935, the Reverend Sun Myung Moon has carried on a
ministry to spirit world in parallel with his ministry on Earth. He has
sought to gather the founders and saints of all faiths around one table
of unity. In recent times, he has ministered to spirits in hell and
opened the gates of their liberation. This collection of testimonies is
one fruit of that ministry.
The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification is publishing
this document throughout America and in 40 countries worldwide. This
proclamation is our responsibility to let all humankind know the works
of God in our age.
This message has significant practical as well as spiritual import. It
is a unifying message, addressing believers of all faiths as one global
family. As such it is intended to draw all men and women to the one
Holy God and help bring world peace. Peace will not arrive through
politics or economic development alone, as crucial as these things are.
The foundation for peace is common faith in God and practice of true
parental, conjugal and familial love. Hence the value of True Parents,
and the messianic power of their words and works.
A committee or coalition cannot instigate true love; the responsibility
for this devolves to substantial human exemplars. The testimonies that
follow bear witness that the Reverend and Mrs. Sun Myung Moon are those
exemplars and have opened the gates for all people to inherit, through
them, God's completed salvation, prophesied in all scriptures.
The testimonies appeal to Father Moon's teachings and works as the
evidence of their veracity. We encourage the reader to move beyond
these messages and duly pursue study of his teachings and works. Those
of us who have followed Father Moon's leadership confirm the
testimonies of the saints. We believe in God's work for world peace,
to bring His kingdom upon the Earth and in Heaven. With that love and
hope in our hearts, we recommend these messages to you.
The Editors
Family Federation for World Peace, International
www.familyfed.org
www.tongil.or.kr
Ceremony in spirit world for the adoption and proclamation of a written
resolution by the representatives of the five great religions.
The written resolution of the representatives of the five great
religions
Christianity: Jesus and 12 other representatives
Confucianism: Confucius and 12 other representatives (including 3
additional people)
Buddhism: Buddha and 12 other representatives
Islam: Muhammad and 12 other representatives
Hinduism: Three people among the 12 representatives
This report was sent by Dr. Sang Hun Lee and received by reporter Mrs.
Young Soon Kim, between December 19 and December 27, 2001, at the Asan
Campus of Sun Moon University.
Ceremony in spirit world for the adoption and proclamation of a written
resolution by representatives of the five great religions
Order of the Ceremony:
Date and time: Noon, December 25, 2001
Master of Ceremonies: Dr. Sang Hun Lee
Proclamation of the opening of the ceremony: We will now conduct the
ceremony for the adoption and proclamation of a written resolution by
the representatives of the five great religions.
Recitation of the Family Pledge
Proclamation of the written resolution (Jesus)
Representative prayer (Jesus)
Three cheers of victory, led by Mohammed - Victory for God, Victory for
True Parents, Victory for the five great religions
The ceremony concluded with applause.
Seating Arrangement:
The front seats were filled by the leading representatives of the five
great religions.
Behind the leading representatives, the 12 other representatives of
each religion sat.
In the back of the arena, 120 representatives from each religion sat.
Jesus' Prayer:
We of the five great religions, attending God above us and True Parents
horizontally, pledge and proclaim that we will go the way of absolute
obedience, in order to correct all of the wrongs committed throughout
history.
I report this in the name of Jesus, of a central blessed family. Amen,
Amen, Amen.
The written resolution by representatives of the five great religions
We resolve and proclaim that God is the Parent of all humankind.
We resolve and proclaim that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is the Savior,
Messiah, Second Coming and True Parent of all humanity.
We resolve and proclaim that the Unification Principle is a message of
peace for the salvation of humanity and the gospel for the Completed
Testament Age.
We resolve and proclaim that we will accomplish the peaceful
unification of the cosmos through "living for others" while
transcending religion, nationality and race, centering on true love.
The representatives of the five great religions resolve and proclaim
that we will harmonize with one another, unite and move forward, in
order to bring about the nation of God and world peace, while attending
True Parents.
This has been resolved and proclaimed by Jesus, the leading
representative of the group of representatives of the five great
religions, Christianity, Confucianism, Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism, at
noon on December 25, 2001.
Christianity
Jesus: Reverend Sun Myung Moon! Thou art the Second Coming who
inaugurated the Completed Testament Age! The 120 people, who have
brought light to the history of Christianity, pledge to take part in
all that the True Parents do, and resolve to strive toward the ideal,
the original garden where there is no original sin, through the
guidance, the words of the Completed Testament, and the Unification
Principle, of the Savior and Messiah, the Reverend Sun Myung Moon.
(2001.12.19)
Peter (Disciple of Jesus): I, Peter, representing the twelve disciples
of Jesus, pledge to attend the Lord of the Second Coming, the Reverend
Sun Myung Moon, as Messiah and Savior.
Paul (Missionary): I, Paul, pledge to believe and attend the Lord of
the Second Coming, the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, as Messiah, Savior and
True Parent, with the fire I felt when I met the resurrected Jesus on
the road to Damascus. I will live with the words, "You must save the
saints" in my heart.
John Calvin (Religious Reformer): God is the Parent of humankind and
Reverend Sun Myung Moon is the Messiah, Savior and Second Coming.
Therefore, I shall live by the teachings of the Lord, and I, John
Calvin, pledge to become a pioneer in helping those who are still
waiting for the Lord, who are in agony, following a theology of
bigotry.
Martin Luther (Religious Reformer): I believe that God is the Parent of
humankind. I believe that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is the Lord of the
Second Advent. I proudly proclaim that the Unification Principle is the
new gospel for humanity. I, Martin Luther, pledge that I will believe
in these truths, and live a life of attendance, to become a pioneer for
humanity.
John Wesley (Missionary and Revivalist): I, John Wesley, proclaim that
Reverend Sun Myung Moon is the True Parent of all humankind and I
pledge and pledge again to live according to the direction and
teachings of the True Parents.
Karl Barth (Modern Theologian): Dear Reverend Sun Myung Moon: Although
I am late in doing so, I, Karl Barth, wish to live a life of attendance
to, and receive guidance from, the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who is the
Second Coming and Savior. True Parents, I wish to receive the messianic
teachings. Please guide me in this. I pledge to live in attendance to
the True Parents.
David Livingston (Missionary to Africa): Reverend Sun Myung Moon! O
Second Coming of Christ! Dear True Parents, I, Livingston, wish to
create a land of God's ideal, even if it is a modest place. Can you
give me a place in which to do this? I pledge to live according to the
guidance of the will of the Second Coming.
Jonathan Edwards (Leader of American Great Awakening): Reverend Sun
Myung Moon! Lord! I am so grateful to you. Please forgive and save
America with the magnanimity of True Parents. America is God's Garden
of Eden. Let it remain as the eternal Eden on earth. I know that the
ideal of the Lord is that of God, and only Godism can save America. I,
Jonathan Edwards, promise to never change my heart attending the Second
Coming.
John Smyth (Founder of the Baptist Church): O esteemed Reverend Sun
Myung Moon! Please allow the grace of your blessing unto the whole of
humanity, so that they may start a new life. Please open the way for
humankind to be able to live together as brothers and sisters in a
Garden of Eden without original sin as soon as possible. I, John Smyth,
shall go anywhere, if the Lord goes with me.
John Harvard (Founder of Harvard University, Puritan): I, John Harvard,
truly wish that not only the youth of Harvard University, but those of
all the universities in the world, can be armed with Unification
Principle and receive the guidance of Reverend Sun Myung Moon. I pledge
to participate actively in Reverend Sun Myung Moon's movement for world
peace.
St. Augustine (Bishop of Hippo, who laid the cornerstone of Catholic
theology): I, Augustine, will move forward strongly in realizing the
ideal of the Completed Testament Age, to allow all of humanity to have
the Unification Principle as their truth and Reverend Sun Myung Moon as
their Messiah. I respect, believe and depend on all the words and
theology of Reverend Sun Myung Moon and I give my oath and pledge,
raising my hands, to do all that I do together with the Lord.
Horace Underwood (American Presbyterian, first missionary to Korea): I,
Horace Underwood, joyfully celebrate the fact that the Second Coming
has come to Korea, an eastern country that takes polite etiquette very
seriously. I put my hands together and bow to the Messiah. I pledge and
give my word of honor to devote all that I possess in attendance to the
Reverend Sun Myung Moon.
Confucianism
Confucius: The 120 figures representing Confucianism pledge to accept
the Unification Principle as the truth and to believe and attend the
Reverend Sun Myung Moon as the Savior and Messiah in the Completed
Testament Age. (2001.12.19)
Yeom, Baek Woo (who was outstanding in his virtue): I give my oath
that, centered on my teacher, Confucius, I will accept the Unification
Principle as the truth and attend Reverend Sun Myung Moon as the True
Parent.
Ja Ro (who developed the traditional Chinese political theory): I will
loyally follow the way of my master, Confucius.
Min, Ja Geon (who was outstanding in his virtue): As I have followed
the great Confucius throughout my life, I will trust and follow the way
that he has now taken. Reverend Sun Myung Moon, True Parents, I will go
the same way as my master. This I pledge.
Jae A (along with Ja Gong, this person is renowned for his oratory):
Reverend Sun Myung Moon! The True Parents of humankind! Following my
teacher Confucius, I pledge to unite with the will of the True Parents
of humankind.
Yeom Woo (who had political capability, along with many other talents):
I cheer the Reverend Sun Myung Moon! I cheer the True Parents of
humankind! I cheer the Savior and Messiah! I, Yeom Woo, offer my
pledge. I will believe and follow the Savior of the new age, who is the
Second Coming of Christ, and proceed along this path with the great
Confucius.
Chung Gong (renowned for his benevolence, great generosity and virtue):
I will follow the path that my master, Confucius, has taken.
An Yeon (an able disciple of Confucius' teachings, outstanding in his
studiousness and virtue): Until now, my teacher, Confucius, taught us
disciples a way to attain virtue and to follow the true way of a
scholar. Witnessing the fact that the Reverend Sun Myung Moon has
guided my teacher to the correct way of truth, I, An Yeon, promise to
believe and attend Reverend Sun Myung Moon as well.
Ja Gong (a great diplomat and political leader during the No and Wui
dynasties of ancient China): I, Ja Gong, believe that the Unification
Principle is a great truth that can shake the soul of all of humanity.
Therefore, I shall arm myself with the Unification Principle and guide
Confucianists to a new and revolutionary path. And because our master,
Confucius, came to save our souls, I resolve to become a part of the
advance guard of the movement for unification, along with him.
Ja Ha (renowned for his fighting and literary abilities): As my master,
Confucius, humbly accepted and adopted this as the genuine truth, I, Ja
Ha, pledge to be obedient to the way of the will of Reverend Sun Myung
Moon as well.
Ja Yu (?? - outstanding in literature, created a powerful school in the
age of the civil wars): Since this is the way that was chosen by my
master, Confucius, I, Ja Yu, will also offer my undying passion in
going this way.
Jeong Ja (leading theoretician of filial piety, self-cultivation and
loving kindness in Confucianism. Compiled "The Great Learning," one
of the Seven Chinese Classics): I believe that the Unification
Principle is a theory that can save all humanity, and that it surpasses
the teachings, virtues and studies of my master, Confucius. Therefore,
along with my master, I determine to receive the teachings of the
Unification Principle and the guidance of Reverend Sun Myung Moon.
Ja Yu (?? - an advocate of filial piety): I was very moved and
inspired by the fact that God, who created the entire universe and
human beings, is the Parent of humankind. I respect Reverend Sun Myung
Moon, who has revealed such a great truth. I am grateful to my master's
loyalty and courageous decision. I wish to guide all Confucianists to
this truth.
Ja Jang (an advocate of loyalty to and faith in one's king or ruler):
Even though I am a human being, I have found the genuine truth.
Therefore, even if that way may be one of suffering and difficulty, I
believe that following with an unchanging mind is the way of loyalty.
So I pledge to Reverend Sun Myung Moon that I will share the suffering
and joy of my teacher through following this path.
Mencius (who taught the divinity of human character): If our Parent is
God, then the natural way is to attend God. Therefore, I pledge that I
will live in attendance to the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, and that I will
do this with unending passion. There is no greater truth than this.
Sun Ja (who taught the importance of education and propriety): I think
that the Unification Principle is a truth that can guide people on a
clear road through life. Reverend Sun Myung Moon, I thank you and
respect you. And I promise to dedicate myself to this great truth
unconditionally.
Buddhism
Buddha: Reverend Sun Myung Moon! True Parents! The 120 people of
Buddhism vow and pledge to advance toward a movement of peace that will
guide humanity in a new direction. We pledge to attend God as the
Parent of humankind and Reverend Sun Myung Moon as a True Parent, and
to equip ourselves with the Unification Principle and Unification
Thought. (2001.12.20)
Ven. Sariputa (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples, who had
outstanding wisdom): True Parents, Reverend Sun Myung Moon: the twelve
Buddhist representatives have resolved to dedicate themselves to your
teachings. We respect the virtue and teachings of Buddha and think that
the way of Buddha was the way of Heaven.
Mok, Keon Ryeon (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples, who had
outstanding divine power): Because I believed in and attended the
teachings of Buddha, I will proceed with a sincere heart. Reverend Sun
Myung Moon, the Savior of the Completed Testament Age, I resolve to
follow the way of God's will, along with Buddha.
Ven. Mahakassapa (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples, who
systematized the Buddhist faith): I think that the Unification
Principle and Unification Thought are great teachings, not only for
Buddhists, but for all of humankind. I pledge to harmonize the
teachings of Buddha and the detailed teachings of the Unification
Principle, to lift up the will of God, who is the Parent of humankind,
and of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who is the True Parent.
Ven. Anuruddha (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples): Reverend Sun
Myung Moon! I am sincerely grateful for your revelation of and guidance
along the way toward the eternal future of humanity. I promise to
pioneer a new way of life, along with Buddha, and to meet you in an
eternal place.
Ven. Purna (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples, the greatest
Buddhist preacher): Human beings' birth, life course and death
proceed not according to human power but by the will of God. What a
great teacher we have met, the one who has taught us about God and that
God is our Parent! Reverend Sun Myung Moon, although we are small and
insufficient, we of the Buddhist faith have resolved and pledged
together, to lift up and attend the will of True Parents, while
attending Buddha.
Ka, Jeon Yeon (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples, the greatest
at debate): There is a section of the Unification Principle entitled
"Give and Take Action." I truly admire and am amazed by that
content. The Unification Principle is organized perfectly; it is the
truth that can save humankind. The theory of Give and Take Action seems
at first glance to be commonplace, but it is actually a monumental
truth. It contains deep and meaningful content that is essential for
our following God's will. I think that the way of following Reverend
Sun Myung Moon, who has revealed the Unification Principle, is the way
of Heaven, and I promise that I will follow the way of Heaven.
Ven. Upali (One of Buddha's ten greatest disciples, the greatest
observant of the Buddhist commandments): Buddha has always been
patient, and he has not just taught us but has shown us through his
actions. The Unification Principle is very new to us, but since Buddha
learned and experienced everything on his own before bringing it us, I
cannot but absolutely believe in the Unification Principle. Reverend
Sun Myung Moon is the True Parent and Messiah of humankind. I strongly
resolve to believe and follow the Messiah. I will advance toward a
world of peace centered on God, by going beyond all religious
denominations.
Ven. Rahula (the son of Buddha, one of the ten greatest disciples, who
was not known to be a disciple): I, Rahula, think of Buddha not just as
my father, but as the father of all of us, and I am grateful that I
lived a life of asceticism. Now, I am grateful that Buddha has given me
the opportunity to access the Unification Principle, which allows me to
go the way to the eternal ideal of Heaven. I strongly resolve and
pledge that we Buddhist disciples will unite centered on Godism, which
can bring about an eternal world of peace for all humanity, while we
attend Reverend Sun Myung Moon as our True Parent.
Ven. Ananda (a younger cousin of Buddha, one of the ten greatest
disciples, the greatest in knowledge): It is only natural to attend
Reverend Sun Myung Moon as the Messiah of the Completed Testament Age,
because all of the fundamental truths Buddha taught to us are found in
the Unification Principle. I firmly believe that God is our vertical
Parent, and I pledge from now to follow only one path.
Yong Su (who studied and developed Mahayana Buddhism): I firmly believe
that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is the True Parent, Messiah and Savior of
humankind. And I believe that the Unification Principle is the truth
that will save all of humanity. I resolve to stand in the forefront of
a movement to bring unity centered on Godism, through overcoming the
barriers that stand between religious denominations.
Se Chin (who helped expand the power of Mahayana Buddhism): I believe
that Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who revealed the Unification Principle on
the earth, is the True Parent and Messiah. And I hope that the
Unification Principle will be passed on to all the people of Buddhist
faith. I firmly pledge to actively help in the movement for
unification.
Islam
Muhammad: Since I, Muhammad, encountered the Unification Principle and
met the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, my worldview has changed. I am now
confident in everything. Everything seems new to me now. I am filled
with optimism and hope. This is because I have come to know the
fundamental will of God and that God is the Parent of humankind. I know
now that this is the way I must go. The basic way of life is to live in
attendance to our vertical and horizontal parents.
I cry out: Victory for God! Victory for Reverend Sun Myung Moon, the
True Parent, Messiah and Savior! All Muslims follow the will of
Muhammad. Allah, whom you have been following, was actually God,
Jehovah. There is only one God for humankind and God is our Parent. I
offer my pledge. I pledge to have faith in everything and follow the
will of the Eternal God. (2001.12.26)
Abubakr (First Khalifa): Allah is actually God. God and Allah are the
same being. Reverend Sun Myung Moon has let the world know that God is
the Parent of humankind. He is the True Parent of humankind. Through
the Unification Principle, I have discovered truth that has moved me
deeply. As Reverend Sun Myung Moon has let me realize the correct
fundamentals of human life and the direction of history, I pledge to
follow his way. Thank you.
Umar Bin Kha Pab (Second Khalifa): Muhammad is more passionate and
faithful than anyone else. As he introduced us to the Unification
Principle, Unification Theology and Reverend Sun Myung Moon, he told us
that if we believed in him this far, we should follow him until the
end. Moreover, Unification Principle and Unification Theology moved me
much more than the teachings of Muhammad did. When we realized that God
is our Parent, it hurt us quite a lot. There is only one God called on
by different religions, and His purpose is always exactly the same. I
was surprised by the fact that religions have fought over small
differences. Reverend Sun Myung Moon, I will go forward. I pledge to
attend and to follow the will of the True Parent of all humankind.
Osman Bin Afan (Third Khalifa): I have realized that even though the
Unification Principle is new, it is a precious truth that can truly
change and renew human beings. I sincerely realized God's pain as He
waited for humanity for so long. Reverend Sun Myung Moon is qualified
to be the Messiah of the Completed Testament Age, and the True Parent
of all humankind. I pledge to have faith in, and follow, this great
teacher.
Ali Bin Abi Palib (Fourth Khalifa): I wish to say, "Victory to
Muhammad!" Because I followed Muhammad, I came to know the
Unification Principle and was able to meet Reverend Sun Myung Moon. We
are all grateful to both of these people. The Unification Principle
provides very accurate and clear guidance for humanity. Muslims, your
hard work and devotion have not been in vain. I desire that you receive
the teachings of Reverend Sun Myung Moon. He is a great teacher,
Messiah and Savior of the Completed Testament Age. He clearly directs
humanity concerning the final problem of the afterlife. I desire that
Muslims study Unification Principle. Reverend Sun Myung Moon, thank you
for your hard work. I will believe in and follow True Parents.
Abdullah Bin Abbas (A scholar in the Age of Sahaba, who interpreted the
Quran): Muhammad has shown us great courage and passion. He did not
allow us to be mistaken about God. I, Abdulla bin Abbas, will follow
with total faith everything that Muhammad decides. And, although I have
not heard the Unification Principle many times, I can say that it is
very systematic and well-organized. I think its logical analysis
touched Muhammad's mind. I also accept it and believe it. I pledge to
work hard testifying to Muslims, while believing in the vertical God
and the horizontal True Parents.
Abdullah Bin Masud (An interpreter of the Quran who lived in the days
of Muhammad): I believe that Unification Principle will move Muslims
greatly. I desire that all Muslims take interest in the activities of
Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who is the Savior and True Parent in the
Completed Testament Age, and study Unification Principle. Allah, whom
we have attended thus far, is none other than God. The world is a wide
place. Muslims, please try to broaden your conservative thinking and
ideas. I will believe in and attend Reverend Sun Myung Moon, the True
Parent of humankind, who revealed the Unification Principle.
Abi Bin Khab (An interpreter of the Quran, who lived in the days of
Muhammad): Reverend Sun Myung Moon! True Parents of all humanity! I
believe in the Messiah, who is the Savior. I also have faith in the
fact that the Unification Principle is an eye-opening truth that can
guide the future of the world and the afterlife of all humanity. I will
go forward believing in and attending the True Parents of humankind.
This I pledge and swear.
Amu Hanifa (Founder of the Hanapi School): Unification Principle is so
moving. Words cannot express the greatness of its truth. It is
definitely a revelation from God. Reverend Sun Myung Moon, True
Parents, thank you for your hard work. As the future and afterlife of
all of humanity has now been clearly revealed through Unification
Principle, Earth and Heaven should be happy and cheer, "Victory!
Victory!" I pledge to believe in and attend Reverend Sun Myung Moon.
Malikh Bin Anas (Founder of the Maliki School): Muhammad did not
persuade us. He did not even teach us the details of the Unification
Principle. We were moved by the look in his eyes and quality of his
actions, once he learned about the Unification Principle. Muhammad's
courage and vision, manifested as if the whole world were his, moved
us. I believe in Reverend Sun Myung Moon, the True Parent and Savior of
humankind, and I believe that the Unification Principle is a revelation
from God. We pledge to equip ourselves with the Unification Principle
and to follow unchangingly, actively supporting the work of the True
Parents.
Ibn Idris Il-Shafi (Founder of the Shafi School): The Unification
Principle is an eye-opening gospel given to humankind. Reverend Sun
Myung Moon, who has come as a True Parent! I'm sorry that I have not
been given enough time to express how I am moved, but I am truly
grateful to you. Without a revelation from God, the Unification
Principle couldn't have appeared on the Earth. I firmly pledge to
believe in and attend the Messiah in the Completed Testament Age.
Ahmad Bin Hanbal (Founder of the Hanballi School): Reverend Sun Myung
Moon, the Savior of humankind, thank you! Thank you for your hard work.
The Unification Principle proves everything. I will believe in and
attend you.
Al-Ashari (Founder of the Sunni branch): I first would like to shout,
"Victory to Muhammad!" Because of his having devoted all of his passion
to Allah, he has been able to find the Unification Principle. Now, I
hope that those of the Muslim faith will believe in and follow Muhammad
until the end. The Unification Principle is not a theory that came from
the brain of a person on Earth. It is the new gospel, which Reverend
Sun Myung Moon revealed through revelations from God. Reverend Sun
Myung Moon! True Parents! O Messiah, O Savior! Victory! Victory!
Victory! I firmly resolve to go the way of loyalty and filial piety,
while believing and attending the True Parents.
Hinduism
Three people from among the 12 representatives
Shankara (founder of the Advaita Vedanta): I am very sorry to have to
tell you my reflection on the Unification Principle after having
listened to lectures for but a short period of time. I will try to make
a worthy statement in the time given. Through this seminar, I newly
realized the following: that God is the Parent of humankind, that in
order to correct the deviated history, God sent providential central
figures, that God sent the great teacher Reverend Sun Myung Moon as the
Savior of humankind, and that the Unification Principle has been
revealed as the new truth, to teach humankind the correct path. God!
Reverend Sun Myung Moon!
Because Hinduism didn't know of the existence of the one God, our
religious ceremonies were very complex, and as the ages and
environments changed, our religion adopted various local and ethnic
religious forms. However, the Hindu mind always desired to find an
absolute being. Whether it is expressed through a local religion or a
philosophical ideology, is not the desire to find God lodged within the
original character of all human beings?
Through listening to the Unification Principle, I, Shankara, have
clearly realized that God has been involved in the internal world of
human beings. Now, since I know God's fundamental purpose, I have rid
myself of all of my previous thoughts. I will organize all my thought
patterns centered on Godism. And I will think over Reverend Sun Myung
Moon's theory about how to save humanity, God's love, and the
dispensational history of restoration. I will invest all that I have to
go the way of genuine truth, while thinking carefully about everything
I do.
Reverend Moon! Thank you. It is a great honor that you have thought of
the religion of Hinduism. As a representative of Hinduism, I pledge to
become a pioneer in the unification movement.
Madwa (A pioneer of dualistic philosophy, who built the Temple of
Krishna): After listening to the Unification Principle, I realize that
we have been spending much time on things that are pointless. There
exists a Creator, a causal being, but as humanity didn't know about the
cause, neither could we know about the effect-this world. I, Madwa,
am mortified that I spent so much time meditating and reasoning, when
that was all pointless. Of what use are arguments over monism or
dualism without the guidance originally intended for humankind?
O God! I, Madwa, was been able to find You. I did not even dream that
You are the Parent of humankind. Although we lived wrongly, now that we
have found the genuine truth in the eternal afterlife, we will be
grateful to God and start our lives over. We will absolutely obey the
guidance and teachings of Reverend Moon, who is a great leader, a great
teacher and the True Parent.
Moreover, I, Madwa, will pour all my energy into completely
understanding the Unification Principle. Thank you.
Maharishi Gautama (Founder of the Niyaya philosophy and the philosophy
and practice of yoga): I was severely shocked when I realized that God
is the Parent of humankind. Even though there is an ideal place in
which God and His children should have lived together from the time we
were created, up until now, we have turned our face away from God and
have created an unprincipled history. When I realize that we need to
discard atheistic philosophy completely, my mind is so troubled,
infinitely troubled. What can I do? There is no other way. I cannot
explain how I feel. I am filled with regret, lamentation and nausea.
The Unification Principle gives us new hope. It is so clear. God did
not create man and woman to be complicated. God gave humankind one
correct way. I feel that after having floated in a sky endlessly, I
have been rearranged and recreated as a new human being. This is not a
time for lament and regret, but rather to have new hope and energy as I
attend Reverend Moon, whom God has sent as the Messiah. Therefore, I
firmly offer my pledge.
Reverend Moon! Thank you for having called Hinduism. From the moment we
encounter this new truth, Hindus will not live quietly. I firmly pledge
to be obedient to God.
Four Representative Communist Leaders
Karl Marx (1818-1883, The founder of Marxism; born in Trier, Germany.):
I, Marx, affirm God's existence and that He is the Parent of all
humankind. I denied God and shouted loudly with confidence to the
extent that people believed me more than God. Now I'd like to reveal
my experience with God to the whole world. I felt that my theoretical
paradigm was crumbling as I listened to the Godism lecture. At the same
time my pride was damaged severely. When I listened to Godism, I
thought it was a dream, but it was not. Then a beam of light came into
my heart like a red-hot bullet.
I, Marx, have met God. I have found that He is the Parent of humankind.
I have felt the greatness of God's love. I clearly convey to you who
God is. He is the Parent of humankind. Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who is
on the Earth, brought this fact to light. The Divine Principle and
Unification Thought express the original standards that open the way to
salvation, so you must read them. I ask this of you seriously. I
clearly say that I apologize for my past to God and True Parents and
love them and am proud of them. Marx, April 18, 2002
Lenin (Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov; 1870-1924, The leader of the Russian
Revolution, the October 1917 revolution, Chairman of The People's
Commissariat.): God certainly exists. He exists as the Parent of
humankind. In spite of that, I put myself on the vanguard of Communist
revolution with a sword in my hands, shouting out that there are no
parents. I made their hearts ache.
I announce to Communists: God, Jehovah, certainly exists and He is the
Parent of humankind. The Communist counties will perish without fail.
The ideal of Communism will be realized by its being engrafted upon
Unification Thought. I have an earnest request for you. There is only
one way for Communist countries to live and that is to follow Reverend
Moon's guidance. Please study the Divine Principle in detail. Please
receive the thought of Reverend Moon and study it deeply. If you do so,
you will attend God more truly than the thinkers or politicians of the
Free World. This is the only way to live truly. If you follow my words,
it will release me from unimaginable suffering and agony. I beg this of
you. Communist countries must re-arrange everything as soon as
possible. I met God. The spirit doesn't die, but lives. This is my
last wish, given in blood from the world of Heaven. "God is alive.
God is the Parent of humankind." Lenin, April 19, 2002
Stalin (Joseph Vissarionovich Djugashvili Stalin, 1879-1953, Lenin's
successor, who communized Russia.): Friends in Communist countries, I
am Stalin. You have had wrong thinking. As the way you are going is not
the way you should go, you must turn to the right path as soon as
possible. One's life on the Earth determines the place one will live
in the heavenly world. Our beliefs are wrong. The worst of it is that
we deny and ignore God, who is the origin of the cosmos. The God we
denied is the Parent of humankind. God is not a theological existence,
but is our Parent.
Those at whom we laughed live well in spirit world. It is certain that
they didn't go to Hell. When we laughed at them, they and God loved
us. We live in the bottom of Hell here. Do you understand what it
means? People here don't treat each other as human beings, but as
material. If there were any means to rid myself of this pain, I would
do it. The place one dwells in the spirit world cannot be decided by
power, honor or gold. It is decided by the sincerity of your life on
the Earth. First, know and believe God and attend Him. Second,
completely clarify your way of life.
Please receive the will of Reverend Moon completely, open your minds
and build churches for the worship of God and hold worship services.
Reverend Moon reflects the image of God, even though he is a man, and
he is struggling intensely to save Communist countries. His thought is
messianic, especially for the Communist countries. You must receive his
ideology of peace immediately. I, the dictator who denied God, cry out
to all the Communist countries on the Earth. Please believe in God and
seek for Him. Stalin, April 19, 2002
Deng Xiao Ping (1902-1997, the Chairman of Chinese Communist Party.):
Thanks be to God for forgiving the one who committed sin. Thank you
Reverend Moon for working hard to save those in Hell and the Communist
bloc.
Friends in the Communist Party! The word that followed me was one that
made God's heart bleed. I now know that I was a terrible sinner.
Reverend Moon is the one who brought to light Unification Thought and
the Divine Principle, and he is the father of humankind named as True
Parent by God. Follow him and be guided by him. Communism has misled
humankind. God exists as the Parent of humankind. We all became rebels
against God. The spirits are destined to live here in the spirit world.
There is no way for Communists to live, but by following Reverend
Moon's guidance. This is my earnest wish and appeal. Deng Xiao Ping,
April 21, 2002
A Letter From God
Dear Beloved True Parents,
I am the God of all people. I am the God of all people. I am the God of
all people.
My beloved son. My beloved son. My beloved son,
I, the God of all people, love True Parents! I love you greatly! I hold
you dearly!
How could I help but feel happiness and gratitude for you, who are my
son? If there were a word better than "love," I would like to
borrow that verb, but I can't think of a better word. Although the True
Parents reside in a deep place in my heart, I cannot adequately express
my love for you in words.
As you, the True Parents, have now succeeded in everything and have
raised everything to its true level, you are now the Savior, Messiah
and King of Kings of all of humanity!!! Because on December 25, 2001,
the Founders and representatives of Christianity and the other
religions adopted written resolutions in which they without exception
resolved to participate in realizing the peaceful unification of the
cosmos, while attending the True Parents, it is right and proper that
the True Parents are exalted in the position of True Parents of all
humankind. I, the God of all people, desire this and want to see it
happen.
Despite the people of the world not yet fully understanding the
position of True Parents, because the position should be fulfilled
internally, I, the God of all people, invite the True Parents to the
position of King of Kings.
Because the True Parents have, in my place, endured countless difficult
paths, I now want to bestow upon you all of the gratitude, inspiration,
excitement and joy that I have been feeling. I want you to inherit all
that is mine.
My beloved True Parents! I have wanted to express my heart to you for a
long time, but I have not had such an opportunity. However, now this
daughter of mine has looked into my heart. This has allowed this time
to come to pass, and I would like to express to you my gratitude.
True Parents! My beloved True Parents! I want to hold you in my bosom
and not let you go! It is a waste for me to walk the floor with my two
legs. I want to hold you all night and talk to you!
I, the God of all people, have faith. I believe in the True Parents. I
know and remember all of the difficulties, pain and suffering that you
have had to endure. I have seen it all. It was all my responsibility,
yet you endured and raised a victorious standard. How can I ever forget
you? I am grateful.
I am so happy because of you. Truly, I thank you for your hard work.
My beloved True Parents, victory to you! Victory to the Saviors of
humanity! Victory to the King of Kings, True Parents!
I, the God of all people, sincerely convey this to my beloved True
Parents.
Midnight, December 28, 2001
gig...@netscape.net
Yeah, I think maybe Freud was on to something. Thanks for the
comment.
l8r maybe..
bd4u
gig...@netscape.net
I don't feel justified in having millions when so many
have so little to begin with. I get involved personally,
and don't pass the buck to someone else who will use
it to buy skyscrapers, or media conglomerates with.
I personally don't see a more viable answer to reduce
both crime and poverty at once than to share the wealth
and get personally involved.
Those that think the poor and the destitute need a
"helping hand up", need to get out and start pushing
the bus for awhile with the rest, instead of simply riding
in it at the poor and the destitutes expense.
bd4u
Josef Oswald
> Hehh, *moonie* josef saw fit to crosspost his opinions about sun myung
> moon to alt.religion.unification. Don'tcha all know moon is conducting
> ideological warfare?
Now Bruce that's interesting as the ONLY "ideological" war the UM was
ever "involved" in, was against God-less communism.
Now do you, a supposedly God-affirming person think that it was a mistake
to teach people the truth about this lousy ideology, which caused the death
of many more lives then your favorite "bad" guy "Hitler" did?
Maybe you aren't aware of it, but before *ONE* single Jew died in the
terrible holocaust, Stalin's regime already killed 7 millions people?
In the end the cost of humans lives was far more then 100 millions, (try to
figure out how often 6 millions are in 100 million) in the various
communist countries of the world.
So you hold it against Rev.Moon that he was fighting such "tyrannical"
"ideologies"? You as a God-fearing person can't be serious...
Yes; Bruce I'm proud that the UM in which I'm involved in, had spend a lot
of money to educate people during the "CAUSA" years...
Yes I'm proud that we "God-affirming" folks had the guts to stand up
against a godless ideology (BTW WE STILL DO IT) it, and "fight" this
ideological war. So you God-affirming person tell me on which side are you?
And some of us, are still doing it, every time we encounter some "atheist"
but to you we are the ones to be condemned...
So Bruce would defend Pol Pot and his gang f.e. , just to throw dirt on
Rev.Moon.
>
> Them *moonies* are desperate, and they only have till 2012 to prove it.
Prove what?
>
> What a hell of a world we live in, that it spawns a man like sun myung
> moon.
Crap
>
> bd4u
gig...@netscape.net
"I know the established Christian theology. I know the enemy, but the
enemy doesn't know me. Thus the enemy has already lost the war" (Sun
Myung Moon, Today's World, November 1993, p. 14)
Then tell me when the Cold War ended, *moonie* josef.
gig...@netscape.net
captain.
<flush>
Josef Oswald
a thread that was first in:
alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,
to:
soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.russian,
soc.culture.israel
While at other times he tells us:
<quote>
Message-ID: <1131233214....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> So what, if others come from another NG to spread false informations, we
> have the right to talk back.
THAT DOES NOT ALLOW YOU, to crosspost it to 5 NG's!!!
Keep it on yer OWN board!
</unquote>
But again Bruce Daniel the "supposedly" God-fearing individual
wouldn't mind to side with a God-denying ideology if he can throw dirt on
Rev.Moon and the UM.
Josef Oswald
>
> Josef Oswald wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:48:10 -0800, gigo448 wrote:
>>
>> > Hehh, *moonie* josef saw fit to crosspost his opinions about sun myung
>> > moon to alt.religion.unification. Don'tcha all know moon is conducting
>> > ideological warfare?
>>
>> Now Bruce that's interesting as the ONLY "ideological" war the UM was
>> ever "involved" in, was against God-less communism.
Does Bruce a "God-fearing" person support godless communism?
Well Bruce Daniel, why don't you answer the question?
Josef Oswald
Wrong in two counts, first the Date when it was given, and the context
again the relationship between the UM and and established Churches.
Once more as can be seen, Rev.Moon never has considered anyone to be
his "enemy".
And then part of the quote you used was wrong, it misses one sentence
which clarifies the point spoken about, this is the quote as posted by you:
"I know the established Christian theology. I know the enemy, but the enemy
doesn't know me."
While in fact this is how it in the speech:
"I know the established Christian theology, AND I AM THE ONE WHO
ESTABLISHED THE THEOLOGY OF THE UNIFICATION CHURCH.
I know the enemy, but the enemy doesn't know me. thus the enemy has already
lost the war."
The point is that Rev.Moon says that *he* knows the *theology* of the
Christians not only that, but he is the one who put the DP together, and he
can *debate* it with anybody, whereas many Christians don't really know the
*theology* of Rev.Moon, and therefore they already lost the debate. How
can one carry on a debate about a topic one doesn't know anything?
And this is the "topic" discussing "theology" and that some doctrines of
the established Churches are childish, well they are, take for instance the
"rapture"....
The title of the speech was "Let Us Go Over the Mountain with Hope". It was
originally given on December 31, 1975 and republished more then 20 years
later in Today World, in 1995.
[.....]
Even if the World or the Communist Party disappears, God wishes this
Unification Church to remain. If this is true, would God like the
established Churches to oppose me? [No.] Do we oppose the established
churches? We never even once opposed them.We have been trying to make
unity with Christian churches, but they have been opposing us for no
reason. They are so small-minded, that we cannot even relate with
them. Isn't that ridiculous? [Laughter.] People who oppose us should do so
with a little more dignity, addressing our doctrine at least. This way we
can discuss theoretical issues, instead of dealing with opposition that has
no content. Such opposition cannot last long.
I know the established Christian theology, and I am the one who established
the theology of the Unification Church. I know the enemy, but the enemy
doesn't know me. Thus the enemy has already lost the war. If you listen
carefully you hear such childish and ridiculous statements coming from the
established churches.
</unquote>
So the speech was given "during" the "cold war".
But of course Bruce Daniel Dubuque the supposedly "God-fearing"
individual doesn't mind supporting a "god-less" ideology when it fits
his purpose...
Lucifer Morning Star Angel of Death
>From a thread on
alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,
cc: alt.politics.communism.alt.freemasonry
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism
> Re Josef's (Moon cultist on alt.religion.unification) Yes I'm proud that we "God-affirming" folks had the guts to stand up
>against a godless ideology (BTW WE STILL DO IT) it, and "fight" this
>ideological war.
The State Capitalist Marx's position was that of 'materialism' which is
certainly atheism whereas the Anarchist Communist Proudhon's position
was that 'God is Evil.' Marx objected to this since it presupposes that
this evil God actually exists - however my position is that of
Proudhon's and not Marx's. I am not an atheist and my position is that
there is an afterlife and that the soul is eternal - we are not merely
'matter' or 'material' - we are composed of 5 elements of which earth
(matter) is only one of them.
'God is evil'
Firstly if we look back 2000 years ago to the age of Jesus it needs to
be understood that 'atheists' were very uncommon in those times and
that all of his stated enemies and those whom he debated against
appeared themselves to be theists. It was not a question of theism vs.
atheism; rather it was a question of one theist whose ideas were
different to those of other theists. Thus Jesus's theism is frankly non
unique - in this sense he was no different to his contemporaries or his
enemies. That the Creator was a Creator who 'loved' the Jews (Jesus
refers to a Gentiles at one point as a 'dog' and states 'do not go into
the towns of the Gentiles') was also not a unique concept. What sets
him apart is his open hostility to his contemporaries and his overt
lack of respect for the Temple priesthood (Sadducees) and even other
Judaists who themselves had a disdain for the priesthood (such as the
Pharisees).
The Solomonic Temple cult.
Essentially these Solomonic Temples can be seen around the world and
are all associated with modern Freemasonry: it is the Freemasons
(Solomonic Temple ritualists) who are the modern day inheritors of the
tradition of the Sadducees who were the individuals responsible for
placing the reward for Jesus' arrest.
Just as it was in the days of Jesus the Solomonic Temple cultists
(Masonic ritualists) of today still claim that they believe in the
existence of God. If we look at the practical definition of their God
based on their behaviour we can see that their God is the God of
idolatry - Egyptian mystery ritualism - Capitalism - Statism - Sex
slavery -labour slavery - private property - Anglo-American state
narco-terrorism. Essentially this is the God of the rich and the
religious hypocrites of both the past and the present.
As it was in the days of Moses - the Egyptian priesthood also were
theists - Moses hatred for Egyptian ritualism / statism clearly had
nothing to do with his opposition to theism since Moses was a theist
himself - however Moses god was the god who took the side of the
Egyptian slaves not the masters (priests - the rich and the religious
hypocrites - serpents etc).
Believing in the existence of God does not make a person 'good.' The
Egyptians were theists and Jesus's contemporaries were theists and both
Moses and Jesus still sought to bring about a proletarian revolution
against such theists.
The idea that people who believe in the existence of God are good and
that those who do not are evil is simply the thinking of a hypnotised
child who has been unable to shake of such hypnotism in his / her
adulthood.
God is evil.
In the Moon cult for example it is clear that their evil god is the god
of the rich and the religious hypocrites - it is a god of Neo-Nazi
collaborators anti-Communists and CIA narco-terrorist collaborators
Usuryists etc. If a Moon cultist or one of their Christian
collaborators then states 'Our God is Good' then from the
anti-propertyist anti-religionist point of view they are making an
incorrect moral judgement since it is clear that their god is the god
of the rich and the religious hypocrites not the god of the economic
and sexual slaves.
My own neo-Pagan intuition of the Goddess is that of the immanent
eternal mother (One Love) however since this perspective is not the
perspective of my debating opponents (who predominately defend a
Paternalistic Capitalist Usuryist ritualist narco-terrorist deity) it
is thus more useful to simply take the position 'God is evil' since I
refer to the God of my opponents.
>Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
>well done
>or
>*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
If you wish to propagate a Capitalist narco-terrorist ritualist view of
God why don't you do so exclusively in the name of Moon or of some
other evangelical Capitalist or private propertyist like Adam Smith or
Alan Greenspan and leave anti-propertyists like Jesus out of it? Oh no
you would not do that since few will believe in eternal salvation
through Greenspan or Smith or Moon and so to hypnotise your victims you
allege that you revere the anti-propertyist Jesus. You hypocrites. How
are you to escape the Judgement of the Jewish Communists in this life
and in the afterlife? You are not - for those whom you have
misrepresented on earth shall be your judges on earth and in eternity.
Many shall cry out 'Lord Lord did I not do many might works in your
name' only to here the response 'depart from me into the eternal fire -
I never knew you.'
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
For nuclear guerrilla war against the Anglo American state
narco-terrorists for world peace and the unification of the Motherland.
The 1000 Year Agricultural Revolution after Armageddon.
War in the name of Peace. War is always fought in the name of the peace
that follows victory.
No gods. No masters.
can correct.
Kadaitcha Man
beady-eyed bummer and vomit-inducing drag-princess who likes obscene
clown slappin' with tunas, and whose partner is a street-sister with an
immense nookie, wrote in
<1140266254.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> An explanation of 'God is Evil' - Proudhon
>
>> From a thread on
> alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.christian,
> cc: alt.politics.communism.alt.freemasonry
>
> Lucifer
> www.luciferia.tv
> For Anarchist Communism
>
>> Re Josef's (Moon cultist on alt.religion.unification) Yes I'm proud
>> that we "God-affirming" folks had the guts to stand up against a
>> godless ideology (BTW WE STILL DO IT) it, and "fight" this
>> ideological war.
>
> The State Capitalist Marx's position was that of 'materialism' which
> is certainly atheism whereas the Anarchist Communist Proudhon's
> position was that 'God is Evil.' Marx objected to this since it
> presupposes that this evil God actually exists - however my position
> is that of Proudhon's and not Marx's. I am not an atheist and my
> position is that there is an afterlife and that the soul is eternal -
> we are not merely 'matter' or 'material' - we are composed of 5
> elements of which earth (matter) is only one of them.
The Reinventing Of Socialist Realism : Socialist Realism And Material
Predialectic Theory
A. Luc Oran [Department of Future Studies, University of Michigan] Jane
Zarczynski [Department of Ontology, University of California, Berkeley]
Joyce And Socialist Realism
The primary theme of the works of Joyce is not, in fact, discourse, but
prediscourse. It could be said that the poet has a choice: either reject
Lyotard's model of subcultural deappropriation and consequently accept
that language somewhat ironically has intrinsic meaning or,
alternatively, reject Giddens's analysis of subcultural deappropriation
and consequently reject that expression must come from the collective
unconscious, given that socialism is valid. The subject is interpolated
into a material predialectic theory that includes culture as a paradox.
Thus, Sargeant [3] holds that we have to choose between subcultural
deappropriation and material predialectic theory.
It could be said that in Ulysses, Joyce examines socialist realism; in
Finnegan's Wake however Joyce changes his opinion completely, instead
concentrating on deconstructive deappropriation. In a sense, Sartre
suggests the use of material predialectic theory to attack hierarchy.
Foucault suggests the use of subcultural deappropriation to deconstruct
class divisions. The subject is interpolated into a socialist realism
that includes sexuality as a whole.
Therefore, Sartre promotes the use of power relations to attack class
divisions.
Joyce And Postdeconstructivist Appropriation
"Sexual identity is fundamentally dead", says Debord. But Geoffrey [1]
holds that the works of Joyce are an example of dialectic feminism.
Thus, Debord uses the term 'subcultural deappropriation' to denote not
narrative, but postnarrative. If situation holds, we have to choose
between subcultural deappropriation and material predialectic theory.
Finnegan's Wake is about figure where Ulysses is about ground.
But the premise of socialist realism states that narrativity is capable
of significance.
But the subject is contextualised into a textual narrative that includes
consciousness as a paradox. The subject is interpolated into a material
predialectic theory that includes reality as a whole. The subject is
interpolated into a pretextual discourse that includes narrativity as a
paradox. In Ulysses, Joyce denies material predialectic theory; in
Finnegan's Wake however Joyce changes his opinion completely, instead
concentrating on socialist realism.
Porter [2] suggests that we have to choose between subdialectic Marxism
and socialist realism.
Therefore, Derrida uses the term 'subcultural deappropriation' to denote
not narrative, but subnarrative.
The paradigm, and therefore the absurdity, of obscurity prevalent in
Ulysses emerges again in Ulysses, although in a more self-referential
sense.
Lyotard uses the term 'subcultural deappropriation' to denote not
discourse, as socialist realism suggests, but subdiscourse. It could be
said that the premise of subcultural deappropriation holds that the
significance of the participant is significant form, but only if reality
is distinct from narrativity; otherwise, Baudrillard's model of the
predialectic paradigm of context is one of "cultural discourse", and
thus used in the service of hierarchy. It could be said that the main
theme of Sargeant's [3] essay on predeconstructive nihilism is not
discourse, as Bataille would have it, but neodiscourse. The poet has a
choice: either reject Huyssen's essay on material predialectic theory
or, alternatively, accept Derrida's model of material predialectic
theory.
The writer has a choice: either accept Hume's analysis of socialist
realism and consequently accept that culture is capable of social
comment, but only if Sontag's model of subcultural deappropriation is
invalid; if that is not the case, we can assume that the task of the
writer is social comment or, alternatively, reject Marx's critique of
socialist realism and consequently reject that narrativity is
intrinsically elitist, given that language is equal to art.
Therefore, the poet has a choice: either reject Kant's model of material
predialectic theory or, alternatively, reject Lodge's analysis of
material predialectic theory and consequently accept that expression is
created by communication. However, Geoffrey [1] suggests that the works
of Joyce are empowering. Several theories concerning not discourse per
se, but postdiscourse exist. Therefore, the participant has a choice:
either accept Foucault's analysis of cultural postcultural theory and
consequently reject that society has objective value or, alternatively,
accept Marx's model of cultural postcultural theory and consequently
reject that language serves to disempower the proletariat.
Conceptualist Textual Theory And Textual Discourse
In the works of Joyce, a predominant thought is the exposition of
precapitalist truth. Thus, the premise of material predialectic theory
implies that context is a product of the masses. Therefore, the
participant has a choice: either reject Nietzsche's analysis of
subcultural deappropriation or, alternatively, accept Nietzsche's
analysis of subcultural deappropriation. Thus, if material predialectic
theory holds, we have to choose between subcultural deappropriation and
socialist realism.
The reader has a choice: either accept Hegel's analysis of subcultural
deappropriation or, alternatively, accept Nietzsche's analysis of
subcultural deappropriation. Thus, the subject is interpolated into a
material predialectic theory that includes narrativity as a totality.
But the subject is contextualised into a socialist realism that includes
truth as a reality. Several situationisms concerning not theory, but
neotheory may be found.
Lacan suggests the use of subcultural deappropriation to deconstruct
class divisions.
Bataille uses the term 'socialist realism' to denote not appropriation,
as material predialectic theory suggests, but preappropriation.
Sontag's essay on subcultural deappropriation suggests that reality
comes from the masses.
Derrida uses the term 'material predialectic theory' to denote not
narrative, as socialist realism suggests, but prenarrative.
Thus, if subcultural deappropriation holds, we have to choose between
capitalist patriarchial theory and reading. Thus, Ulysses is about
feminine where Finnegan's Wake is about masculine. Thus, if subcultural
deappropriation holds, we have to choose between socialist realism and
material predialectic theory.
The poet has a choice: either reject Marx's model of subcultural
deappropriation and consequently reject that art somewhat surprisingly
has objective value, given that Foucault's model of textual construction
is invalid or, alternatively, accept Baudrillard's model of subcultural
deappropriation and consequently accept that sexuality somewhat
paradoxically has objective value, given that reality is equal to
sexuality. Thus, the subject is contextualised into a material
predialectic theory that includes language as a reality. In a sense,
many discourses concerning not discourse, as subcultural deappropriation
suggests, but subdiscourse exist. The subject is contextualised into a
material predialectic theory that includes sexuality as a totality.
Foucault uses the term 'presemanticist objectivism' to denote not
narrative, as Bataille would have it, but prenarrative. If subcultural
deappropriation holds, we have to choose between socialist realism and
subcultural deappropriation. But several theories concerning socialist
realism may be discovered. The subject is contextualised into a
subcultural deappropriation that includes truth as a paradox.
However, Ulysses is about without where Finnegan's Wake is about within.
However, the main theme of the works of Joyce is not materialism per se,
but neomaterialism. But an abundance of theories concerning not, in
fact, dematerialism, but postdematerialism exist.
Consensuses Of Defining Characteristic
The characteristic theme of Porter's [2] critique of postcapitalist
theory is not narrative, as the structural paradigm of context suggests,
but subnarrative. Thus, Porter [2] holds that the works of Joyce are
empowering. However, the artist has a choice: either accept Bataille's
essay on material predialectic theory or, alternatively, accept Milner's
model of material predialectic theory. Sargeant [3] holds that the works
of Joyce are postmodern. Many discourses concerning not, in fact,
modernism, but submodernism may be found.
Therefore, Sartre suggests the use of socialist realism to analyse
class. It could be said that Geoffrey [1] states that we have to choose
between the subdialectic paradigm of expression and socialist realism.
However, Derrida suggests the use of material predialectic theory to
attack sexism. But Marx uses the term 'socialist realism' to denote not,
in fact, desituationism, but predesituationism.
The characteristic theme of the works of Joyce is not, in fact,
narrative, but postnarrative.
The reader has a choice: either accept Sontag's essay on conceptual
discourse and consequently accept that the raison d'etre of the reader
is social comment or, alternatively, accept Huyssen's analysis of
conceptual discourse and consequently accept that academe is capable of
truth. Thus, the characteristic theme of Porter's [2] analysis of
material predialectic theory is not discourse, as Baudrillard would have
it, but neodiscourse. Sontag uses the term 'socialist realism' to denote
not, in fact, deappropriation, but subdeappropriation. But Baudrillard
suggests the use of subcultural deappropriation to read and modify
sexual identity.
The subject is contextualised into a capitalist theory that includes
reality as a reality. But if subcultural deappropriation holds, we have
to choose between material predialectic theory and subcultural
deappropriation. Several modernisms concerning subdialectic
desublimation exist.
Subtextual Nationalism And Patriarchial Nihilism
The main theme of Geoffrey's [1] critique of patriarchial nihilism is
not depatriarchialism, as cultural narrative suggests, but
neodepatriarchialism. The destruction/creation distinction intrinsic to
Finnegan's Wake is also evident in Ulysses, although in a more
capitalist sense. But Sargeant [3] suggests that we have to choose
between subcultural deappropriation and material predialectic theory.
The subject is contextualised into a socialist realism that includes
consciousness as a reality. It could be said that the subject is
contextualised into a subcultural deappropriation that includes art as a
reality.
But Lacan promotes the use of socialist realism to challenge hierarchy.
However, if narrative holds, we have to choose between subcultural
deappropriation and socialist realism. Thus, the subject is
contextualised into a subcultural deappropriation that includes
narrativity as a paradox. The artist has a choice: either accept Kant's
model of socialist realism or, alternatively, reject Lacan's essay on
socialist realism and consequently reject that language may be used to
oppress the underprivileged, given that sexuality is equal to language.
Thus, the primary theme of the works of Joyce is not, in fact,
narrative, but subnarrative.
But many theories concerning not narrative as such, but prenarrative
exist.
Joyce And Textual Discourse
If one examines subtextual discourse, one is faced with a choice: either
reject socialist realism or conclude that society perhaps paradoxically
has objective value, given that narrativity is equal to reality. But the
subject is contextualised into a material predialectic theory that
includes sexuality as a whole. It could be said that Lyotard uses the
term 'subcultural deappropriation' to denote not narrative per se, but
subnarrative. The subject is interpolated into a material predialectic
theory that includes reality as a reality.
Therefore, an abundance of situationisms concerning socialist realism
exist. Lyotard suggests the use of subcultural deappropriation to read
society. The observer has a choice: either accept Plato's essay on
material predialectic theory and consequently accept that academe is
capable of intent, but only if subcultural deappropriation is invalid;
if that is not the case, we can assume that the goal of the artist is
significant form, given that sexuality is interchangeable with language
or, alternatively, reject Milner's analysis of material predialectic
theory and consequently accept that reality is capable of truth. It
could be said that Sontag uses the term 'material predialectic theory'
to denote not narrative, as subcultural deappropriation suggests, but
prenarrative.
But the creation/destruction distinction which is a central theme of
Ulysses emerges again in Ulysses. Foucault's analysis of material
predialectic theory holds that consensus must come from the collective
unconscious. Bataille suggests the use of subcultural deappropriation to
challenge sexism. But Foucault suggests the use of material predialectic
theory to deconstruct sexism.
Expressions Of Paradigm
In the works of Joyce, a predominant philosophy is the distinction
between masculine and feminine. Therefore, Baudrillard uses the term
'neosemiotic conceptualist theory' to denote not discourse, but
postdiscourse. In a sense, Lacan suggests the use of socialist realism
to analyse and deconstruct sexual identity. Thus, Debord uses the term
'dialectic precultural theory' to denote not, in fact, theory, but
pretheory.
Therefore, the main theme of the works of Joyce is not discourse as
such, but prediscourse. Many discourses concerning socialist realism
exist. Marx suggests the use of submaterialist capitalism to attack
colonialist perceptions of culture. The main theme of Geoffrey's [1]
analysis of socialist realism is not materialism, but submaterialism.
If material predialectic theory holds, we have to choose between
precultural theory and socialist realism. Therefore, in Ulysses, Joyce
examines material predialectic theory; in Finnegan's Wake however Joyce
affirms socialist realism. The writer has a choice: either reject
Owens's model of the postcultural paradigm of discourse and consequently
reject that expression is created by communication or, alternatively,
reject Baudrillard's analysis of the postcultural paradigm of discourse
and consequently accept that narrative must come from the collective
unconscious, but only if the premise of power relations is invalid;
otherwise, Sartre's model of material predialectic theory is one of
"textual feminism", and thus part of the used in the service of archaic
perceptions of language of culture. Lacan uses the term 'subcultural
deappropriation' to denote not, in fact, desublimation, but
neodesublimation.
It could be said that Lacan promotes the use of material predialectic
theory to deconstruct the status quo. The main theme of the works of
Joyce is not, in fact, desublimation, but neodesublimation. A number of
discourses concerning the cultural paradigm of context may be found.
The subject is contextualised into a subcultural deappropriation that
includes narrativity as a paradox.
Foucault suggests the use of the cultural paradigm of expression to
analyse and analyse society. Socialist realism implies that
consciousness is capable of truth. But the primary theme of the works of
Joyce is not theory per se, but pretheory. Thus, subcultural
deappropriation states that the goal of the reader is social comment,
given that Lacan's model of preconceptual appropriation is valid.
However, the subject is contextualised into a subcultural
deappropriation that includes truth as a totality.
It could be said that Bataille suggests the use of semantic discourse to
challenge and analyse sexual identity.
[1] Geoffrey, V.P. (2000) The Defining Characteristic Of Culture :
Capitalist Subcapitalist Theory And Neocapitalist Capitalism. O'Reilly &
Associates
[2] Porter, L. ed. (2000) The Reality Of Absurdity : The Postmaterialist
Paradigm Of Consensus And Socialist Realism. Harvard University Press
[3] Sargeant, H.A.L. ed. (1999) Cultural Nationalism In The Works Of
Joyce. University of California Press
--
Cooking tonight: Hurt chef's pubic hairs and toadfish crutch vinegar
next to snafued jerboa pimple and prairie dog cancer vinaigrette,
arranged in a cooling cup brimming with stringy assortment of scallion
and fish in perished offal broth, a side of cherry tomato chips and a
beaker of blood.
gig...@netscape.net
are you refering to? I never heard such pointy
words of HATE in all my life on a single page.
You be involving over a 3rd of the world in your
hatemongering, *moonie*. An you be PROUD
of it too? What a bigot of you!
Oh well, I just wanted to show others the hate
speech being used by tools of sun myung moon!
No reply necessary, cause I don't wanna hear your
excuses. Nor will I reply to them either.
bd4u
Josef Oswald
> God-fearing, god-denying, god-less. Who exactly are you refering to? I
> never heard such pointy words of HATE in all my life on a single page.
Of course Bruce Daniel D. defines the words as he likes to see them.
With "God-fearing" I meant you Bruce, you claimed that:
<quote>
From: gig...@netscape.net
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Riain -conversion
Date: 2 Mar 2005 17:43:07 -0800
Message-ID: <1109814187.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
LaoTze wrote:
> Why would you convert? Do you like being potentially persecuted? Or is
> it just to be different?
I have nothing to fear except G-d. Ive been persecuted
for much less without a doubt.
>
> You do know that religion is fairy tales for adults right?
I know that many *religions* have Fairytales. But I also know
that the Hebrew Scriptures holds the TRUTH!
bd4u
</unquote>
So here we have proof that you "affirm" God.
With "god-denying" and "god-less" I meant the ideology of "communism"
as I stated, but I don't mind pointing it out to you, so that you get
it.
>
> You be involving over a 3rd of the world in your hatemongering, *moonie*.
> An you be PROUD of it too? What a bigot of you!
I don't preach hate, but I'm glad to see you "defending" a ideology
that caused more deaths in the last century than any other.
BTW Bruce Daniel, you are still addicted to the Rev.Moon, as you speak
about him and can't let it loose....
>
> Oh well, I just wanted to show others the hate speech being used by tools
> of sun myung moon!
>
> No reply necessary, cause I don't wanna hear your excuses. Nor will I
> reply to them either.
LOL
Josef Oswald
> no thanks
> <flush>
Care to point out what you would consider "Hate" words in what I wrote?
IMON
Josef Oswald
> Lucifer Morning Star Angel of Death <luc...@luciferia.tv>, the beady-eyed
> bummer and vomit-inducing drag-princess who likes obscene clown slappin'
> with tunas, and whose partner is a street-sister with an immense nookie,
> wrote in
> <1140266254.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> An explanation of 'God is Evil' - Proudhon
<cut>
This dude is a riot, first he accuses others of "narcotic" "terrorism, yet
he himself .... well read on:
From: "The Jewish Messiah - A Revelation to Humanity - The Apocalypse."
<jewishmessiahluci...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Assistance / advice required regarding my prosecution for
marijuana cultivation by the British Crown narco-terrorists.
Date: 31 Aug 2005 18:25:36 -0700
Message-ID: <1125537936....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
www.psilocybe-mushrooms.com
www.mary-magdalene.org
Greetings and blessings from the holy one.
Unfortunately the police do not recognise my divinity.
I am due to appear at Camberwell Green Magistrates Court today at 10am
charged with Marijuana cultivation.
Moss & Co who defend a great many anti-Capitalists / Anarchists etc.
are my solicitors. Today is not a 'trial' it is merely a guilty or not
guilty day and they will set a trial date.
I am considering pleading not guilty on the grounds of 'dirty hands.'
<cut>
Unfortunately I am neither a lawyer or an expert in marijuana law;
further my lawyer is more of a political lawyer than a marijuana
specialist; further I am considering defending myself and attempting to
make the trial last 6 months to a year (it would take me that long to
present all the evidence on CIA / Crown narco-terrorism.
Anyway...any advice that anyone could give me (including possible
expert witnesses) I would be grateful.
Further I am a militant evangelical anti-Christian and ganga is one of
my sacraments (from 'sacre' / sacred and 'mentis' mind; lit. sacred
mind) which is harmless in comparison to the Christian sacrament of
eating Jewish blood and drinking Jewish flesh (I am Jewish and
therefore consider only the eating of Christian flesh and blood to be
sacred); since it is clear that there have been so many holocausts of
pagans Jews and proto anti-Capitalists / anti-Monarchists throughout
history that have taken place in the name of a Jewish Messiah who
apparently despised the Gentiles and referred to them as 'dogs.' It is
all quite ridiculous to me but never the less I have to make such
arguments in a Christian / Masonic court.
<cut>
These are my basic arguments which I concede will not go down well with
the heroin stained judiciary but I just thought there may be a few
experts here who might counter some of my arguments and shed some light
on the matter.
kind regards to all.
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
www.psilocybe-mushrooms.com
www.mary-magdalene.org
For Apocalyptic War against the Anglo-American narco-terrorists (i.e.
the Christians) in the name of peace and the Unification of the
motherland
Oh and one further point.
<cut>
Since I am an evangelical militant apocalyptic pagan (to state the
obvious) and that fucking bitch Elizabeth Windsor is a Christian State
narco-terrorist I am considering also a defence of persecution on the
grounds of faith.
Opinions advice welcome.
Lucifer.
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism
</unquote>
BTW so that Martin Boyd doesn't need to point it out:
I'm involved with the UM of Rev.Moon for many years...
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
Lucifer Morning Star Angel of Death
alt.religion.unification, alt.religion.christian,
alt.politics.communism, alt.freemasonry
Lucifer to Joseph (Moon cult).
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism.
For nuclear guerilla war against Christendom for world peace and the
unification of the motherland
I am a grower of marijuana and psilocybe and you have a problem with
that whereas your Master is a CIA narco-terrorist collaborator and a
Neo-Nazi collaborator who was responsible for encouraging / financing
(by your own admission) just about every anti-Communist government of
the far right in Latin America and whose robes are dipped in the blood
of many Communist marytrs (Moon even boasted of giving military aid to
the anti-Nicaraguan 'Contra' terrorists on the front page of the
Washington Times)
There is a great moral difference between Moon and I which is like the
difference between Communist heaven and Capitalist Hell.
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
No gods. No masters.
I am the Final Law.
None shall enter economic heaven on earth but through Communist
revolution.
I am the way - the truth - the light - the final judge etc. etc.
____________________________
The Moon cult, the CIA & the Neo-
Nazis.
DEATH, TORTURE, RAPE,
MURDER, CASTRATION IN
BOLIVIA
By Robert Parry.
www.consortiumnews.com
R obert Parry is a veteran
investigative reporter, who broke
many of the
Iran-contra stories in the 1980s for
The Associated Press and
Newsweek.
." On July 17, (1981) the Cocaine
Coup began, spearheaded by Klaus
Barbie and his
neo-fascist goon squad dubbed
Fiancés of Death. "The masked
thugs were not
Bolivians; they spoke Spanish with
German, French and Italian
accents,"
Levine wrote. "Their uniforms bore
neither national identification nor
any
markings, although many of them
wore Nazi swastika armbands and
insignias."
The slaughter was fierce. When the
putschists stormed the national
labour
headquarters, they wounded labour
leader Marcelo Quiroga, who had
led the
effort to indict former military
dictator Hugo Banzer on drug and
corruption
charges. Quiroga "was dragged off
to police headquarters to be the
object of
a game played by some of the
torture experts imported from
Argentina's
dreaded Mechanic School of the
Navy," Levine wrote. "These
experts applied
their 'science' to Quiroga as a
lesson to the Bolivians, who were a
little
backward in such matters. They
kept Quiroga alive and suffering for
hours.
His castrated, tortured body was
found days later in a place called
'The
valley of the Moon' in southern La
Paz." Women captives were gang-
raped as
part of their torture. To Levine
back in Buenos Aires, it was soon
clear
"that the primary goal of the
revolution was the protection and
control of
Bolivia's cocaine industry. All major
drug traffickers in prison were
released, after which they joined the
neo-Nazis in their rampage.
Government
buildings were invaded and
trafficker files were either carried
off or
burned. Government employees
were tortured and shot, the women
tied and
repeatedly raped by the
paramilitaries and the freed
traffickers." The
fascists celebrated with swastikas
and shouts of "Heil Hitler!"
Hermann
reported. Col. Arce-Gomez, a
central-casting image of a
bemedaled,
pot-bellied Latin dictator, grabbed
broad powers as Interior Minister.
Gen.
Luis Garcia Meza was installed as
Bolivia's new president. Among the
first
well-wishers arriving in La Paz to
congratulate the new government
was
Moon's top lieutenant, Bo Hi Pak
(KCIA). The Moon organization
published a
photo of Pak meeting with Gen.
Garcia Meza. After the visit to the
mountainous capital, Pak declared,
"I have erected a throne for Father
Moon
in the world's highest city."
According to later Bolivian
government and newspaper reports,
a Moon
representative invested about $4
million in preparations for the coup.
Bolivia's WACL representatives
also played key roles, and CAUSA,
one of
Moon's anti-communist
organizations, listed as members
nearly all the
leading Bolivian coup-makers.
[CAIB, Winter 1986].. As the drug
lords
consolidated their power in Bolivia,
the Moon organization expanded its
presence, too. Hermann reported
that in early 1981, war criminal
Barbie and
Moon leader Thomas Ward were
often seen together in apparent
prayer.
Mingolla, the Argentine intelligence
officer, described Ward as his CIA
paymaster, with the $1,500 monthly
salary coming from the CAUSA
office of
Ward's representative. [CAIB,
Winter 1986].. ..On May 31, 1981,
Moon
representatives sponsored a
CAUSA reception at the Sheraton
Hotel's Hall of
Freedom in La Paz. Bo Hi Pak and
Garcia Meza led a prayer for
President
Reagan's recovery from an
assassination attempt. In his
speech, Bo Hi Pak
declared, "God had chosen the
Bolivian people in the heart of
South America
as the ones to conquer
communism." According to a later
Bolivian
intelligence report, the Moon
organization sought to recruit an
"armed
church" of Bolivians, with about
7,000 Bolivians receiving some
paramilitary
training
captain.
"Josef Oswald" <Ooswal...@yahooO.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.02.18.23.25.19.446610@here_at_home.org...
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:51:20 +0000, captain. wrote:
>
>> no thanks
>> <flush>
>
> Care to point out what you would consider "Hate" words in what I wrote?
>
>
no thanks
<flush>
Josef Oswald
wrote:
>
> alt.religion.unification, alt.religion.christian, alt.politics.communism,
> alt.freemasonry
>
>
> Lucifer to Joseph (Moon cult).
> www.luciferia.tv
> For Anarchist Communism.
> For nuclear guerilla war against Christendom for world peace and the
> unification of the motherland
>
> I am a grower of marijuana and psilocybe and you have a problem with that
> whereas your Master is a CIA narco-terrorist collaborator and a Neo-Nazi
LOL Martin, I don't have a "master". The problem Martin is that "your"
own "government" had a "problem" with your "drugs".
> collaborator who was responsible for encouraging / financing (by your
> own admission) just about every anti-Communist government of the far
> right in Latin America and whose robes are dipped in the blood of many
> Communist marytrs (Moon even boasted of giving military aid to the
> anti-Nicaraguan 'Contra' terrorists on the front page of the Washington
> Times)
Shall we mention that more then 140 millions of people lost their
lives in various communist countries, and you IDIOT (I and I don't
like to use such words but in your case I make a exemption) and I
repeat, you IDIOT are on record with your call to kill the vast
majority of people. You would like to see the death of many people
simply because they don't agree with your your "lunatic" stance
Martin.
>
> There is a great moral difference between Moon and I which is like the
> difference between Communist heaven and Capitalist Hell.
>
> Lucifer
> www.luciferia.tv
> No gods. No masters.
> I am the Final Law.
> None shall enter economic heaven on earth but through Communist
> revolution.
> I am the way - the truth - the light - the final judge etc. etc.
More delusion of a drug-wasted mind?
>
> ____________________________
>
> The Moon cult, the CIA & the Neo-
> Nazis.
> DEATH, TORTURE, RAPE,
> MURDER, CASTRATION IN
> BOLIVIA
>
> By Robert Parry.
So you only spread "hearsay" Martin.
<flush>
IMON
:-)
Josef Oswald
Another person who can't substantiate the allegations she/he/it makes...
OK I can live with THAT
Goodbye
> <flush>