Google Groups Home
Help | Sign in
Message from discussion My take on the Crone
The group you are posting to is a Usenet group. Messages posted to this group will make your email address visible to anyone on the Internet.
Your reply message has not been sent.
Your post was successful
Azure  
View profile
 More options Jan 22, 1:48 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.triplegoddess
From: Azure <laddieo'lugh@gall's.org>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:48:52 -0900
Local: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:48 am
Subject: Re: My take on the Crone

Terry McCombs wrote:

> NAMES: Crone, Cerridwen (Celtic), Hecate or Hekate (Greek), Carravogue
> (Goddess of winter County Meath Ireland), Mórrígan or Morrigu
> (Celtic), Nemglan (Irish battle goddess), Ala (Nigerian), Ama No Uzumi
> (Japanese), Asase Yaa (West African), Annis (Celtic, later turned into
> various evil fairies or ghosts such as Black Ann and others), Badb
> (Irish), Baubo (Greek). Baba Yaga (Russian), Tripura Bhairavi (Tantric),
> Cailleac Bhuer (Celtic), The Corrigan (from Cornwall to Breton, France),
> Elli (Nordic), Grandmother Spiderwoman (Native American), The
> Hyldermoder (Scandinavia), The Leanansidhe (Isle of Man), Oya (Yoruba),
> The Muireartach (Scottish Highlands), Changing Woman (Navaho),
> Ereshkigal (Sumerian), Estsanatlehi (Native American), Kalma (Finnish),
> Lara (Roman), Lilith (Hebrew), Macha (Irish), Mother Holle (German),
> Nicneven (Celtic), Sedna (Inuit), Xochi Quetzal (Aztec), The Wyrd, Nox
> or Nyx (Greek), Snow Queen (versions in Sweden & Japan), Queen of
> Shadows, Nightmare, Hag, the Wicked Witch.

> SYMBOLS: (Depending on the culture) Caldron, Owl, Snow and or winter,
> Yew tree, Dogs, Darkness, Waning Moon, Dark Moon, Cat, Frog, Raven,
> Snake, Spider, Ghosts, Triquette, Triple Spiral, )O(

> PERSONIFICATION OF (or) AREA OF CONTROL: Sacrifice, the Destroyer, the
> Huntress, Curses, the Underworld, Wisdom, Karma.

> USUAL IMAGE: Depending on the time, culture and various aspects of the
> different goddesses in question, whither they are shown as kind or
> fierce, common or imperial, or are associated with other aspects such as
> night, winter, death or rebirth the different Crone Goddess are depicted
> very differently, however they are usually depicted as elderly women.

> HOLY BOOKS: The Trimorphic Protennoia (Gnostic), Lilith's Fire by
> Deborah Grenn-Scott, Wicked: The Life & Times of the Wicked Witch of the
> West by Gregory Maguire.

> HOLY DAYS: Dec 25, Feast of Frau Holle, on the night of which Mother
> Holle was said to fly around the world giving presents to the good, and
> punishing the wicked like a combination of Santa Claus and Batman. /
> January 6, when the good witch La Befana flies though the skys of Italy
> giving candy to good children and coal to bad ones. / August the 13th,
> November the 30th, and the 29th of each month are holidays for Hecate. /
> October 31, Halloween or Samhain which is associated with a number of
> Crone Goddesses. / The Kali Puja, a movable holiday which takes place on
> the same day as one of Hinduism's brightest holidays Diwali, the
> Festival of Light.

> RELATIVES: (Sisters) Maiden and Mother Goddesses all as varied and
> diverse as their senior aspect the Crone Goddess / (Children) As she is
> the mother of many Mother and Father Goddesses and Gods, as well as any
> number of sacred sacrificial kings/sons, she is the ultimate Mother of
> all.

> SYNODEITIES: See NAMES above.
>  
> DETAILS: If modern society has a hard time dealing with death, and it
> does, that's nothing compared with the fear, angst, and denial with
> which it regards old age.

> From plastic surgery, up to and including the injection of toxic
> chemicals into our faces, to the Balkanization, if not outright exile of
> those over a certain age, to the rendering of people, mostly women, over
> 45 years of age to almost invisibility by the mass media, it is plain to
> see, if you have the vision to look at it, that we as a whole are not
> dealing with the natural progress of aging well.

> This was not always the case, there was a time when those who had
> managed to survive a remarkably harsh world were regarded as someone who
> might actually have something important to contribute. Mythically this
> was expressed by a goddess figure that, along with the Maiden, and the
> Mother, was the most powerful part of the first of all trinities. The
> Crone is found in India, among the Greeks, the Celts, as well as single
> a deity. .

> The Crone goddess made sure that everyone remembered that while at the
> time they may have been alive and vital, winter was still inevitable,
> and all life would someday have to deal with old age and death. And as
> hard and ugly as death could be, it was possible to look it in the eye
> and not be afraid of it.

> The Crone was too old to let deceit stand and from her karma, severe or
> benevolent, fell on those who had created it so they got just what they
> deserve.

> She is the one who sees what needs to be destroyed and is without
> sentimentality seeing to it's destruction, in her older forms she was
> also the one who, as the huntress, knew that life could only come from
> death.

> She was the Goddess who was beyond the giving or restraning of sex as a
> gift as the Maiden did, or sex as a way to bring about new life as the
> Mother did, she saw it as either something no longer needed, or as a way
> to teach a lession, or as simply a thing for pleasure and nothing else.

> She was the goddess that became such minor deities as the many different
> fairies who appeared to men as a beautiful maidens who after a night of
> preternatural bliss, would in the morning, leave the man to find himself
> in the arms of the crone, where he, if unable to deal with this
> transformation was eaten, or if able to accept her, find her beautiful
> again.

> The crone also turned up in the unusual Roman myth of Vertumnus and
> Pomona. Which, at least according to David Littlefield, shows the Roman
> mindset turning away from rape and/or servitude as the only forms of
> adult male and female relationships (for reference see any myth
> involving Zeus getting his rocks off) and moving toward something more
> healthy.

> The myth, as related by Ovid, tells how Vertumnus, the shape-shifting
> god of seasonal change, plant growth and gardens, finds himself in love
> with the nymph Pomona who wants nothing to do with him and so seals
> herself up in her orchard refusing to even speak with him. Vertumnus
> gains entrance to the orchard by changing himself into a crone and
> telling Pomona stories which, along with giving Ovid a reason to relate
> other myths, lets her warm to the person telling the tales and later to
> Vertumnus himself on his revealing his true form.

> Whatever the case, the Crone, in whichever form she was imagined, was
> the sacred mythic avatar for women who could live their own lives
> without the need or approval of others, practically men.

> Which explains why with the coming of the new male centered philosophies
> and mind-sets, the image of the Crone Goddess became darker and darker,
> until with the coming to supremacy of Judeo-Christian, she is kicked
> completely out of Heaven and left to make do as best she could in the
> dark recesses of the mind as the wicked witch.

> Which brings us to the situation we find ourselve in now. These myths
> come from the same Collective Mind we run our our lives with, whether we
> acknowledge it or not, so for the mental health of society I strongly
> suggest we once again become comfortable with the various forms of the
> Crone Goddess.

> Terry McCombs

> For the page for the Crone Goddess with images, links and quotes about
> the crone go to

> The Crone:

> http://community-2.webtv.net/TheObsidianMask/Crone_Goddesses/

You missed Danu, and Mor/Brigid Combination, especially you missed
Brigid.
The Old Mor falls into the well and drowns for winter Brigid Comes forth
bringing the bright promise of the new year.
Badb the Red was Male!

    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2008 Google