Obama is a Fool
Zeke Krahlin
http://ezekielk.tblog.com/post/1970041348
It is my letter to the editor sent to many newspapers across the
United States, list garnered from the following page:
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/1NET/Nws/NwspprAdd.htm
Locally, I posted to various gay rags (such as the Bay Area Reporter,
and the S.F. Bay Times) and other newspapers here in the San Francisco
Bay Area, such as the East Bay Express, The S.F. Chronicle, and the
S.F. Bay Guardian. Spread the word!
--begin letter:
President Obama:
I am a gay activist and progressive, and voted for you. In good faith
of course, that you would begin the desperately-sought resolution to
include gay people at the table of equal rights along with other
long-suffering minorities. My expectation was most reasonable for a
democratic politician: that, in spite of being against gay marriage,
you would denounce the unbridled homophobic vitriol from the
fundamentalist faction, that has been plaguing our nation for at least
two decades.
You could have selected any person of the cloth to open your historic
inauguration to represent the inclusive unity you so frequently
espouse. Among these choices for the opening prayer number many
ministers, preachers, reverends and priests who do not vociferate
anti-gay vitriol from the pulpit. Instead, you chose a most divisive
fundamentalist over a vast array of uniters...one who utters the most
vulgar and hateful words against our sexual minority citizens.
For a man of great intelligence (as you clearly are), I'm sure you
fully realize the implications of your choice. Which belies your claim
that you are a stalwart defender of gay equality. In fact, your
unfortunate selection gives tacit approval for fag bashers to increase
their attacks against sexual minorities in spite of our constitution's
mandate to keep church and state separate, and to protect any minority
from majority attack.
I must conclude that you have deliberately chosen to violate one of
America's most sanctified laws...for being so well informed and
worldly, you could not have made this choice out of ignorance. It is
tragic and shameful that you, America's first person of color to be
elected to the highest office of our unfair land, have chosen to
perpetrate the ignoble tradition of anti-gay persecution by
African-Americans at large. In so doing, you have given the green
light for furthering such bigotry, giving a thumbs up (as it were)
towards increased violence against homosexuals. (How so many who've
voted for you must now be dancing for joy that they'll also be rid of
those goddamned faggots for once and for all!)
President Obama: as one who is also well educated, intelligent and a
progressive, I can only conclude that--in spite of your excessive
IQ--you have failed to hold true reverance towards equal rights for
all minorities. In choosing to make gay people an exception to this
most American ideal, I have to conclude that, in spite of your
obvious intelligence, you are nonetheless a fool.
And, my enemy.
MOST sincerely,
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
San Francisco
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--end of letter
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Sidney Lambe
Zeke Krahlin <ezek...@goct.net> wrote:
Snip off-topic, pro-gay propaganda.
This is one of the reasons that a lot of people don't
support the gays.
They are rude and elitist: They don't think that the
rules apply to them.
Shut up, you asshole.
<plonk>
Sid
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including replies to any name in my killfile. So if I don't
respond to a reply it is because I didn't see it.
Thou shalt not suffer a troll to speak in thine presence.
separatus
[Snip]
You have to be kidding. You disapprove of the preacher selected, and
therefore Obama (and consequently his entire future administration) is
hopelessly corrupted and hypocritical? Have you considered the radical
notion that perhaps every detail of that event was not personally
planned by him. I suppose if you got the preacher you wanted you would
be the first to defend the virtuous Obama against the next group of
people who felt slighted?
I suspect that like so many minorities, you are not seeking a "level
playing field" as is often espoused. Rather, it's a pernicious kind of
equality that is summed up with "I want to be more equal to make up
for my persecution". Grow up. A level playing field doesn't imply
favoritism, it mandates NO favoritism. If you want progress, the
example of Women in America and their climb to overcome social mores
would be an excellent example.
Time to killfile you.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
>You could have selected any person of the cloth to open your historic
>inauguration to represent the inclusive unity you so frequently
>espouse. Among these choices for the opening prayer number many
>ministers, preachers, reverends and priests who do not vociferate
>anti-gay vitriol from the pulpit. Instead, you chose a most divisive
>fundamentalist over a vast array of uniters...one who utters the most
>vulgar and hateful words against our sexual minority citizens.
marriage who has not been tossed out of their respective church.
You haven't noticed the christian churches are very anti gay?
And that those who are sympathetic to gays are tossd out
on their ear?
I would point out i'm in favor of gay rights/gay marriage but
it's going to be hundreds of years before the US of A is
ready to embrace gay rights and gay marriage.
Also the US of A is extremely homophobic and the gay community
hasn't figured out how to fight that homophobia.
Seon Ferguson
politician who won't represent the people who voted for him. I wonder how
long it will be before the anti war people wake up.
Sidney Lambe
The gays all think that everyone has to like them and approve of
their lifestyle, which is not reasonable. No one has to like anything
they don't like. There is nothing in the Constitution that says one
has to like anyone and approve of them.
This is another example of what you have covered above, their demands
for a more than level playing field.
I personally have a big problem with the gay movement.
When it was first getting off the ground in the 1960's, it gained
general support among the progressives by being committed to
not-breeding in order to do something real about the population
problem. They called heterosexuals, contemptuously, "breeders".
Now, while there are scores of millions of desperate orphans in
the world, are they adopting them? No, they are breeding their
own children. This stinks.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>The gays all think that everyone has to like them and approve of
>their lifestyle, which is not reasonable. No one has to like anything
>they don't like. There is nothing in the Constitution that says one
>has to like anyone and approve of them.
without some clown deciding that because they look gay
they have to smash them over the head with a crow bar
or kill them.
>
>I personally have a big problem with the gay movement.
Let me guess....you're republican and call yourself
pro life except when that life is gay, a child
who wants to eat, or a child who needs medical care.
>Now, while there are scores of millions of desperate orphans in
>the world, are they adopting them? No, they are breeding their
>own children. This stinks.
Been there, done that. I tried to adopt years ago, too many
social workers (especially black ones) would rather have
the black child be in foster care until they age out rather than
have them adopted by a white family.
Also social workers want the kids in foster care and not
get adopted to preserve jobs for social workers.
Do you know what the qualifications are to
be a social worker? They need an associate degree.
That degree can be in zoology, anthropology, etc.
No degree in children required.
BTW, i'm not gay. But I was not acceptable as
an adoptive parent. (not in my 20s worth
a million dollars and unable to afford the
$120,000 they charge to buy a kid from
an adoption agency.)
Yes it's illegal to sell a kid unless you're
an adoption agency then you can charge
$120,000 to sell a kid.
And then once you buy the kid the birth mother
or the dad can come back and say they want the
kid back.
Adoption in the US of A is a joke.
Steve
minority too!!
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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storm
>
> Quick name any person of the cloth who is in favor of gay rights/gay
> marriage who has not been tossed out of their respective church.
>
Check out a denomination called Unitarian Universalism. I wish I
could say that it was 100% pro-gay marriage for all ministers, but
they do have a very large percentage and the overall denomination is
in favor of all gay rights. When I went to the local Prop 8 protest
in Boulder, one of the main speakers was a UU minister. I once went
to their national convention and the Sunday service that went with the
convention was led by a lesbian UU minister who told her and her
partner's story in beautiful and stirring words. (like having the
habit of closing the front curtains before you could kiss in your own
home) I am not offering you names over the Internet, but a little
google work should get you some encouraging info.
-storm
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
>On Dec 29, 11:38 pm, ReggieL...@sendtousenet.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Quick name any person of the cloth who is in favor of gay rights/gay
>> marriage who has not been tossed out of their respective church.
>>
>
>
>Check out a denomination called Unitarian Universalism.
And check out the faction in that church that wants toss
out the pro gays.....
> I wish I
>could say that it was 100% pro-gay marriage for all ministers, but
>they do have a very large percentage and the overall denomination is
>in favor of all gay rights.
And they have a significant faction opposed to gay rights.
> When I went to the local Prop 8 protest
>in Boulder, one of the main speakers was a UU minister. I once went
>to their national convention and the Sunday service that went with the
>convention was led by a lesbian UU minister who told her and her
>partner's story in beautiful and stirring words. (like having the
>habit of closing the front curtains before you could kiss in your own
>home) I am not offering you names over the Internet, but a little
>google work should get you some encouraging info.
Ironically if prop 8 were voted on today it would probably fail.
pewte...@gmail.com
{{ You are one person who has woken up to the fact thatObamais just
another politician who won't represent the people who voted for
him. }}
I kinda knew it all along.
{{ I wonder how long it will be before the anti war people wake up. }}
I wonder how long it will be before the anti war people stop looking
the other way when gays are bashed, tortured and murdered; and include
them in their cause to end global violence. They're part of the
problem too!
Whenever homosexuals are rounded up, imprisoned and sentenced to death
(often with a wall crushing them; a most horrid way to go) by this or
that Muslim-or-other-zealous nation, there's never a peep from "the
anti war people".
Seems there's too much heterocentrism among the anti war types to be
of any use. Guess it's fine and dandy to use gays for the eternal
scapegoat (from both the right and the left, AND the center), and to
exclude the mass slaughter of queers as a wartime issue.
pewte...@gmail.com
> You have to be kidding.
Indeed I'm not.
> You disapprove of the preacher selected, and
> thereforeObama(and consequently his entire future administration) is
> hopelessly corrupted and hypocritical?
Let me put it this way: what if Obama-yo-momma selected a RACIST
member of the KKK to speak. Wouldn't you take that as a definite sign
that something is TERRIBLY wrong with the president-elect? Wouldn't
you feel betrayed? Wouldn't you suspect the very credibility of this
man upon you placed so much trust?
Oh, I get it, it's just those silly fags acting out again. 'Scuse me,
what was I thinkin': that the pagan community would be somewhat more
SENSITIVE to sexual minority issues than those vile Jesus goons?
> Have you considered the radical
> notion that perhaps every detail of that event was not personally
> planned by him. I suppose if you got the preacher you wanted you would
> be the first to defend the virtuousObamaagainst the next group of
> people who felt slighted?
Have YOU considered reading or watching (or hearing) and of the GAY
and PRO-GAY outcries against the Warren selection? Obviously not. Most
likely you read NO news having to do with gays, you care not to stay
informed on the sexual minority matters. After all, you're not a fag,
why should you care? I doubt you'll listen to reason, which is my
suggestion to INFORM yourself why so many gay activists and their
liberal, hetero supporters, are extremely upset in this matter. But
for the sake of some decent OTHER pagan folk viewing this, I point to
the following resources:
CNN Outrage Over Obama's Choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf9u8wRUarc
Additional youtube videos on the Obama-Warren issue:
http://tinyurl.com/6twbjv
News articles on the issue (and more videos):
http://tinyurl.com/7b39jf
> I suspect that like so many minorities, you are not seeking a "level
> playing field" as is often espoused.
You just made "pagan" a dirty word. Congrats! Who needs the right
wing, when pagans have MORE than their share of bigots, especially
HOMOPHOBES. Proof positive than Xians don't own a monopoly on anti-gay
venom.
> Time to killfile you.
Homophobe!
pewte...@gmail.com
> Quick name any person of the cloth who is in favor of gay rights/gay
> marriage who has not been tossed out of their respective church.
Unitarian churches. Episcoplean churches. Various other churches
scattered throughout the US. I don't care to be sabotaged by your
attempts to bog me down in providing an extensive list just to appease
your hetero bullying.
> You haven't noticed the christian churches are very anti gay?
> And that those who are sympathetic to gays are tossd out
> on their ear?
You accept this situation as 100% true in each and every case? Aren't
you forgetting the occassional pro-gay victory now and then, here and
there? You are IGNORANT about the gay issue, yet in your BREEDER
ARROGANCE insist you know everything on the sexual minority issue.
Typical idito str8. You have not benefitted in any way from being a
pagan.
>
> I would point out i'm in favor of gay rights/gay marriage but
> it's going to be hundreds of years before the US of A is
> ready to embrace gay rights and gay marriage.
Sounds to me, more like you WISH gay rights to remain a victory in the
distant future, than to see it happen now. Nice excuse for you to sit
on your fat pagan ass all day, and do NOTHING to help the gay cause.
In fact, you'd rather do whatever you can to DISCOURAGE gay people
from being treated as equals...such as by your posting this most
IGNORANT message.
I would point out that you CAN'T be in favor of gay rights, when you
espouse such obvious TRITE. Yet ONE MORE BREEDER who insists on being
the last word on the gay issue. Dumb hetero pig.
Don't you realize that what you just said about gays (they're
emancipation a LONG ways off) was exactly what bigoted whites used to
say about blacks, way back before 1955?
> Also the US of A is extremely homophobic and the gay community
> hasn't figured out how to fight that homophobia.
I see. Once more, an obviously DIMWITTED hetero knows it all,
especially when it comes to the gay issue...and issue he or she most
likely has NEVER studied or researched. And also most likely, has
never picked up a single gay rag in his or her locality, nor read any
gay-relevant news online.
Steve
<pewte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So please explain to me how being gay has any bearing on ones religious
beliefs.
pewte...@gmail.com
> separatus <separatus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The gays all think that everyone has to like them and approve of
> their lifestyle,
Not true at all. You're yet one more dumb hetero who persists in
stereotyping and marginalizing sexual minorities. And DEMONIZING us in
order to INCREASE anti-gay violence. (While at the same time coming
off as sweet-natured and reasonable).
> No one has to like anything
> they don't like. There is nothing in the Constitution that says one
> has to like anyone and approve of them.
Right on! No one has to like heterosexuals either. I don't, I despise
'em for they arrogant and violent bullying those NOT just like them.
They're just a bunch of empowered breeding pigs who thrive off
scapegoating and violence, especially when promoted by their own
church and government. Simple minded breeder sluts.
> This is another example of what you have covered above, their demands
> for a more than level playing field.
Bullshit. The ONLY playing field EVER offered gays, is one filled with
landminds and hetero vipers. We are finally waking up to this obvious
fact that gays will have to RISE UP AND TAKE what is rightfully
theirs...'cause NO heterocentric society will EVER treat us as human
beings.
> I personally have a big problem with the gay movement.
Personally, I think you do...you have a VERY big problem with us
queers. You arrogance sticks out like a syphillitic thumb.
> Now, while there are scores of millions of desperate orphans in
> the world, are they adopting them? No, they are breeding their
> own children. This stinks.
I don't see you crying out against uncontrolled HETERO breeding, you
dinkus! Which IS the main cause for overpopulation. Yet, you would
scapegoat gays for the overpopulation issue, too? That's it, blame us
for every problem on this planet. How very un-pagan and pro-
fundametalist this is!
So here we see PAGANS scapegoating gays in the SAME manner as Xians
do. And NOT ONE SINGLE STANDING UP BY THE PAGANS HEREIN for gay
rights, for my letter posting great disgust with Obama's choice of
Rick Warren.
Oh, I get it: pagans don't REALLY care about queers, it was just a way
of coming off as more compassionat than those brainwashed Xians. Nice
job, you've certainly convinced me here, you snot-for-brains
heteroSETchoowul.
--
Faggot Bible
http://www.gay-bible.org
pewte...@gmail.com
> Wrong. Gays want to be able to walk down the street
> without some clown deciding that because they look gay
> they have to smash them over the head with a crow bar
> or kill them.
Thank you, ReggieL, may your new year be the best year ever. I wonder
why hardly ANYONE speaks out for the occassional gay participant, here
in pagan/shaman/alternative newsgroups. How pathetic that I seem to be
the only one who adds any gay topics to the mix. Or number among a
handful of gay posters, who are unfortunately, way to few and far
between for pagans' own good!
--
ZekeBlog: gay rants & queer insights
http://ezekielk.tblog.com
pewte...@gmail.com
> As a single, straight, white male, I want special compensation for being a
> minority too!!
You've had your day in the sun. Now go crawl under that hetero rock
and STFU. Game over, breeder.
Seon Ferguson
<pewte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 29, 10:46 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> {{ You are one person who has woken up to the fact thatObamais just
> another politician who won't represent the people who voted for
> him. }}
>
> I kinda knew it all along.
>
Well you were more wise than I ever was.
> {{ I wonder how long it will be before the anti war people wake up. }}
>
> I wonder how long it will be before the anti war people stop looking
> the other way when gays are bashed, tortured and murdered; and include
> them in their cause to end global violence. They're part of the
> problem too!
>
> Whenever homosexuals are rounded up, imprisoned and sentenced to death
> (often with a wall crushing them; a most horrid way to go) by this or
> that Muslim-or-other-zealous nation, there's never a peep from "the
> anti war people".
>
> Seems there's too much heterocentrism among the anti war types to be
> of any use. Guess it's fine and dandy to use gays for the eternal
> scapegoat (from both the right and the left, AND the center), and to
> exclude the mass slaughter of queers as a wartime issue.
>
Well if you paid attention to my posts you would see I regularly speak out
against persecution of homosexuals in Muslim countries, same with Bahai's. I
speak out whenever someone's civil liberties are taken away. Even in Muslim
countries. I also notice they don't speak out about people's rights being
taken away in China.
Steve
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Right.... I've had my day in the sun and did breed. The results turned out
pretty good, one is a teacher, and the other is an engineer. The "game" as
you put it, will carry on. I would urge you to seek some professional help
for those inferiority and anger issues tho. Gay folks aren't special, nor is
anybody else. The still put pants on one leg at a time.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
>On Dec 29, 10:38 pm, ReggieL...@sendtousenet.com wrote:
>
>> Quick name any person of the cloth who is in favor of gay rights/gay
>> marriage who has not been tossed out of their respective church.
>
>Unitarian churches. Episcoplean churches. Various other churches
>scattered throughout the US. I don't care to be sabotaged by your
>attempts to bog me down in providing an extensive list just to appease
>your hetero bullying.
Alot of those churches have those who stood up for gay rights and the
thanks they got was to have their head chopped off.
>
>> You haven't noticed the christian churches are very anti gay?
>> And that those who are sympathetic to gays are tossd out
>> on their ear?
>
>You accept this situation as 100% true in each and every case? Aren't
>you forgetting the occassional pro-gay victory now and then,
Victories that have been very few and far between.
>Sounds to me, more like you WISH gay rights to remain a victory in the
>distant future, than to see it happen now. Nice excuse for you to sit
>on your fat pagan ass all day, and do NOTHING to help the gay cause.
>In fact, you'd rather do whatever you can to DISCOURAGE gay people
>from being treated as equals...such as by your posting this most
>IGNORANT message.
Wrong. I support gay rights and gay marriage (our state even
allows gay marriage....the only other state that had gay marriage.)
But the gay community has failed in attempting the sell the
issue to the masses. Take a close look at California.
In the days leading up to the ballot question the anti
forces failed to put a human face on the issue. In the days
after the ballot question passed the gay community put a human
face on the issue and now if it was on the ballot the question
would go down to defeat and gay marriage would survive.
File under closing the barn door after the horses have
escaped.
>I would point out that you CAN'T be in favor of gay rights, when you
>espouse such obvious TRITE. Yet ONE MORE BREEDER who insists on being
>the last word on the gay issue. Dumb hetero pig.
Why becuase the gay community hasn't taken my advice that
they need to strategize about how to sell the issue to
the masses?
The US of A is an extermely homophobic country, it starts
at second grade when kids call other kids fags.
That is the wall the gay communnity is up against.
They need to figure out how to fight the battle.
>Don't you realize that what you just said about gays (they're
>emancipation a LONG ways off) was exactly what bigoted whites used to
>say about blacks, way back before 1955?
Let me put it this way: i'm older than dirt, probably older than
most here. In many ways blacks have progressed alot since the
civil rights movement, but in many ways blacks are worse off
now than they were long before the 60s.
Young poeple are supportive and tolerant of blacks, older people
in their 70s 80s and 90s are still extremely intolerant of
blacks. I've got relatives who survived world war 2 who
are extremely prejudiced against blacks. That won't change
until they shuffle off this mortal coil.
When it comes to gay rights the movement is probably a good 100-300
years behind the civil rights movement. And that won't change
until little Johnnny in second grade stops calling little Bobby
in a fag. That is going to take many years to change that
behavior and foster that tolerance.
I wish it would happen faster but we have too many anti
gay morons in the US of A who produce off spring and
raise them to hate gays.
Welcome to 2009. Welcome to the real world.
>
>
>> Also the US of A is extremely homophobic and the gay community
>> hasn't figured out how to fight that homophobia.
>
>I see. Once more, an obviously DIMWITTED hetero knows it all,
>especially when it comes to the gay issue...and issue he or she most
>likely has NEVER studied or researched. And also most likely, has
>never picked up a single gay rag in his or her locality, nor read any
>gay-relevant news online.
Wrong again.
Our state has a large gay community.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
I'm not even going to get into how muslim countries deal with
homosexuals. After the Muslims will put you to death for
converting to chrisianity.
(A guy in Afghanastan was sentenced to death, his crime........
converting to Chrisitianity.)
Seon Ferguson
<Reggi...@sendtousenet.com> wrote in message
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Yeah and they would probably treat wiccans or witches even worse. That's why
I feel lucky to live in Australia. I can practice any religion I want and
not have to be afraid of being persecuted.
BBDD
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:08:48 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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That is not the worst punishment ~ it lacks the imagination of
Europeans. Recently the embryos were ripped from the bellies of soon
to be mothers and dead animals sewn up in the wombs so the women would
rot to death from the inside. Their crime? Being Muslim. Then, in the
glorious name of Jesus, they pinned all the female children and
systematically raped even the very youngest. Their defense for doing
so was that it was not sexual but to ruin them as suitable wives to
Muslim men in the future.
Even Wiccans kill, and they are far more bigoted than any other. Ever
meet a black Wiccan? All religious faith is chronic insanity.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
In the above example of Afghanastan you'd think common sense would
kick in............If you're christian don't go to an Islamic country
to try and convert them all to christianity. It probably won't end
well.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
>Even Wiccans kill, and they are far more bigoted than any other. Ever
>meet a black Wiccan?
our coven.
BBDD
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:51:00 -0800 (PST), BBDD <baudab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:>Even Wiccans kill, and they are far more bigoted than any other. Ever
> >meet a black Wiccan?
>
> Actually as a matter of fact I have. We had some in
> our coven.
Actaully, I have too, just recently. Worst Uncle Tom I ever met! He
read one of my posts and outed (I guess you'd call it). This guy has
fried brains to begin with. His IQ is in the eighties. Blacks are not
attracted to Wicca because it has a Northern European (Arian) motif.
Wicca is less than one hundred years old and nothing more than a
fantasy for those not equiped for real magick. The fantasy is Arian
focused. Being make believe, this reveals closet racism. Africa has an
ancient and far superior tradition of magic.
Seon Ferguson
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I guess when people develop faith they think it is truth and are willing to
die for their beliefs because they are so sure it is the truth and that
Islam is evil. I didn't quite put that as good as it sounded in my head but
Christians are so sure that Jesus is the only way. They wouldn't keep quiet.
I wish I had that kind of conviction I get jealous sometimes. But at other
times I'm glad I'm open to whatever the real truth is.
But if I was a Christian I would move as soon as I could. Good thing I live
in Australia where it won't matter if I convert to Christianity one day.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
Then go right ahead. Just don't expect the American soldier to come
to your rescue.
> I didn't quite put that as good as it sounded in my head but
>Christians are so sure that Jesus is the only way. They wouldn't keep quiet.
There are thousands of religions on this planet. Who knows which one
is the right way.
BBDD
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All religions inevitably cause atrocities, including Wicca. Pagans
committed horrid atrocities against the Christians. It took
Christianity just a few generations before they did worse. Wicca is
very young. It will cause the suffering all religions do when the time
comes. It is the nature of any group (fascist) faith
Seon Ferguson
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They would if there was oil oops!
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>> I didn't quite put that as good as it sounded in my head but
>>Christians are so sure that Jesus is the only way. They wouldn't keep
>>quiet.
> There are thousands of religions on this planet. Who knows which one
> is the right way.
I think there is more than one paths to the divine. Besides I believe when
we die we all go to the other side. What religion we belong to doesn't
matter.
BBDD
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There is no reason to think any religion is the right way. There is
something systemically wrong with religion. But why should we need to
choose one. There is truth in all things. Why can't we be strong
independent individuals and take only what works for each one of us
personally from all religions without resorting to faith in any one of
them?
Seon Ferguson
"BBDD" <baud...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wiccan's may cause suffering one day but if they truly followed Wicca they
would follow harm none just as Christians and Jews who follow thou shalt not
murder would not take part in any Crusade massacres or witch burnings etc.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>> I kinda knew it all along.
>>
>Well you were more wise than I ever was.
It's a gift of prophecy, which does have its difficult aspects.
Nonethess, I accept and take pride.
>Well if you paid attention to my posts
Something which I clearly DON'T do, seeing as I'm usually kept busy
w/other Internet intrigue, than with usenet. Sorry!
>you would see I regularly speak out
>against persecution of homosexuals in Muslim countries, same with Bahai's. I
>speak out whenever someone's civil liberties are taken away. Even in Muslim
>countries. I also notice they don't speak out about people's rights being
>taken away in China.
Excellent! You are nonetheless the exception to a sorry rule. You are
a vanguard, a pioneer. A scholar and a gentleperson. :)
Thanks for your bright light, Seon. Blessing on you and loved ones
this new year and always.
Zeke Krahlin
>I'm not even going to get into how muslim countries deal with
>homosexuals.
Well, it's pretty bad.
>After the Muslims will put you to death for
>converting to chrisianity.
Well, THAT'S pretty good. At least they got SOMEthing right!
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Yeah and they would probably treat wiccans or witches even worse. That's why
>I feel lucky to live in Australia. I can practice any religion I want and
>not have to be afraid of being persecuted.
As far as I know, that's simply not true. Violence occurs in
Australia, much as it does in any other country...albeit less
frequently. Like in the US, you can practice whatever religion you
want, in theory...but it will usually cause you rejection and social
isolation, if you do not toe the mainstream line.
May as well also mention that homophobia remains a serious prejudice
in Australia (as it does in every western nation)...and Australian is
nowhere near free of racism.
Zeke Krahlin
>In the above example of Afghanastan you'd think common sense would
>kick in............If you're christian don't go to an Islamic country
>to try and convert them all to christianity. It probably won't end
>well.
But it will end justly.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Good thing I live in Australia where it won't matter
>if I convert to Christianity one day.
Wow, what a great freedom. You are free to convert to Christianity.
Oh, how I yearn to be rid of these shackles of oppression in my own
nation!
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>I would urge you to seek some professional help
>for those inferiority and anger issues tho.
Oh, right, an alternative counterculture pagan type recommends I see a
mainstream, allopathic doctor. What a joke. Sure, all shrinks are good
in their work, they'll cure me of my disgust, grief and anxiety of
living in a violent and homophobic culture. After all, it's MY problem
if I have a healthy, normal, and VISCERA; reaction to a world that
threatens me constantly, in public, on the air waves, and in the
majority of religious institutions...simply for my non-mainstream
sexual attraction.
Not to mention how currupt the psychiatric field is. If you're on a
gov't health plan (like MediCal or Medicare, like I am) all you'll get
for psychiatric healing, is a permanent subscription to powerful
psychotropic drugs that lobotimize your brain, and turn you into a
mindless sheep. The pharmaceutical industry has its claws in DEEP
w/psychiatric medicine...and you're suggestion I should just THROW my
vulnerable gay self into their murderous hetero arms? Surely you jest.
>Gay folks aren't special, nor is
>anybody else. The still put pants on one leg at a time.
Show you how LITTLE you know about gays. Figures...MOST hetero
asswipes think they are THE last word on gay matters. Oh, har, har, so
funny I forgot to puke.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>So please explain to me how being gay has any bearing on ones religious
>beliefs.
Because ALL major religions (and that includes you rice-eating
ass-wipe Buddhists, aLONG w/the pagans of whom I number) use
homophobia to control the masses. But ONE among several powerful tools
for controlling society. Yep, it's really that simple: To get people
back in line, just start picking on unmarried women and unmarried men.
A.K.A....
witches and faggots.
Zeke Krahlin
>But the gay community has failed in attempting the sell the
>issue to the masses.
Oh, sure. In the exact same ways that Jews failed in attempting to get
the Nazi's to back off. It's OUR FAULT for all this hatred, this
fag-bashing by both church AND government.
AND IT'S OUR QUEER FAULT if we don't find the solution...to both our
liberation and that of our enemy!
Where are the compassionate heteros in all this? Surely they'd be
soundly condemning homophobia in our politicians, our churches, our
public spaces. Where are YOU in all this? Have you ever (or recently)
spoken out for gay rights, not JUST gay marriage? Have you ever
demonstrated against heterocentric dogma whose official sport is fag
bashing?
Or do you just sit there on your fat pagan rump, suggesting that we
gays have failed to make everyone our friend?
Well, how does that old Chinese proverb go? Keep your friends, and
stay close to your enemies.
>Take a close look at California.
>In the days leading up to the ballot question the anti
>forces failed to put a human face on the issue.
Oh, certainly the anti-prop 8 camp did a poor job of it. But I think
it was INTENTIONAL...the camp was infiltrated by right wing zealots in
the guise of progressives...who then sabotaged the cause in a most
devious and effective manner.
It's the social engineering, stupid.
Zeke Krahlin
>There are thousands of religions on this planet. Who knows which one
>is the right way.
Let me make this easy for you, then:
Any religion that preaches anti-gay vitriol is WRONG, no matter how
appealing all its other views may be.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>I think there is more than one paths to the divine.
Last I counted, there were at least four others! :/
>Besides I believe when we die we all go to the
>other side. What religion we belong to doesn't
>matter.
You'll be surprised then (when it comes your time) to discover a
humongous Church of Scientology temple adjacent to St. Peter's gate!
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>There is no reason to think any religion is the right way. There is
>something systemically wrong with religion. But why should we need to
>choose one. There is truth in all things. Why can't we be strong
>independent individuals and take only what works for each one of us
>personally from all religions without resorting to faith in any one of
>them?
That's YOUR religion. Don't try to pass it off as NOT.
>http://niggerwise.com/xeew.html
"Niggerwise?" You're racist! So much for all your good words, eh?
They ring so hollow!
BBDD
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:36:26 -0800 (PST), BBDD <baudab...@gmail.com>
I am not religious. I take what is useful from each religious system
but reject the religion. All religions are social manifestations. In
other words, one must join a fascist unit. A religion must be a group
faith or it does not qualify under the definition. I am member of no
group, denomination, or religion. I do study all attempts at
comprehending the Divine. It is fascist (group) faith that is the bane
of man. One man can think whatever, but the Nazi legions were the
force of the Holocaust. I am old enough to have known some of those
Nazis. They took themselves to be every bit as wholesome as any Wiccan
or Christian does.
No, I am not a racist. The name is a trap for closet racists. African
Americans frequently call each other nigger respectfully, as in, “my
nigger”. It is a way of honoring a fellow survivor of bigotry. If you
are a racist, you think negatively of the term “nigger wise”. What is
pointed out on the very first page of the site is that NIGGERWISE is
the highest of all wisdom.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:32:41 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I think there is more than one paths to the divine.
>
> Last I counted, there were at least four others! :/
>
Maybe more.
>>Besides I believe when we die we all go to the
>>other side. What religion we belong to doesn't
>>matter.
>
> You'll be surprised then (when it comes your time) to discover a
> humongous Church of Scientology temple adjacent to St. Peter's gate!
>
Lol I will be suppressed considering Hubbard was a science fiction writer
and a damn good one when you look at scientology.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:11:33 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Good thing I live in Australia where it won't matter
>>if I convert to Christianity one day.
>
> Wow, what a great freedom. You are free to convert to Christianity.
> Oh, how I yearn to be rid of these shackles of oppression in my own
> nation!
> --
I'm free to convert to any religion I choose even the crazy one's like
scientology. I'm sure your free as well.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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Yes there is violence in Australia I don't deny that and there is still
homophobia and racism but that doesn't mean I can't convert to any religion
without having to worry about getting stonned or something. You have a point
about being isolated if you don't go with the mainstream. The Constitution
said congress can not make any law affecting religion or something like that
it never said the people had tolerate other's. Plus you can always find
people who share your views even if it's a small group. However if you live
in a small town your screwed.
Seamus
<snip>
Back into your killfile, Chief Thracian.
__
>Do the cyclical "september threads" count as continuous?
It's moot now. September 1993 will go down in net.history as the
September that never ended. - Dave Fischer in 1994, alt.folklore.net
The first recorded outbreak of this was Warren Burstein saying
"It's *always* September, *somewhere* on the net" in response to
a particularly Clueless outburst from Delphi.com on alt.folklore.urban,
in fall 1993. - Wendy M. Grossman, "net.wars"
sarchasm
>
>The Constitution said congress can not make any law affecting religion or
>something like that
The U.S. constitution has no bearing on laws within Australia, however.
Seon Ferguson
"sarchasm" <sar....@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nope we need a bill of rights like you guys. Good thing our prime minister
wants us to have one.
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar....@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The Constitution said congress can not make any law affecting religion or
>>>something like that
>>
>> The U.S. constitution has no bearing on laws within Australia, however.
>>
> Nope we need a bill of rights like you guys. Good thing our prime minister
> wants us to have one.
>
Good luck with that, there. When the going gets tough, the "rights" often
get going, (out the window).
Seon Ferguson
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Yeah I remember a case where a reporter got arrested for not revealing his
source. If that happened in America he never would have gotten in trouble.
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:07:46 -0500, Reggi...@sendtousenet.com wrote:
>
>>But the gay community has failed in attempting the sell the
>>issue to the masses.
>
>Oh, sure. In the exact same ways that Jews failed in attempting to get
>the Nazi's to back off. It's OUR FAULT for all this hatred, this
>fag-bashing by both church AND government.
Wrong. If you want to eliminate hatred of gays start with little
Johnny in the second grade calling little Billy a fag.
Kids learn hatred of gays at a very early age.
>AND IT'S OUR QUEER FAULT if we don't find the solution...to both our
>liberation and that of our enemy!
I'm older than dirt, i remember when gay rights were first proposed
many years ago, long before gay marrriage.
The gay community needs to take a page from Obama and strategize
for a while on how to fight the smears.
>Oh, certainly the anti-prop 8 camp did a poor job of it. But I think
>it was INTENTIONAL...the camp was infiltrated by right wing zealots in
>the guise of progressives...who then sabotaged the cause in a most
>devious and effective manner.
Where is your proof of this?
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Lol I will be suppressed considering Hubbard was a science fiction writer
>and a damn good one when you look at scientology.
It really comes down to who has the most money, as to how CLOSE to the
heavenly gates you can build your capitalist enterprise. I wonder if
Bill Hubbard is any relation to Old Mother Hubbard.
Old Mother Hubbard went to the cupboard
To fetch her poor dog a bone.
When she got there, the cupboard was bare,
Except for a UFO!
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
> the Nazi legions were the force of the Holocaust.
Bolstered by a corrupt capitalist system that profits greatly from
war. Nazis are therefore merely the tip of the iceberg of human evil
that remains rampant today.
>I am old enough to have known some of those Nazis.
So what? There are 10 times as many NEW Nazis to replace the ones who
die.
>They took themselves to be every bit as wholesome as any
>Wiccan or Christian does.
Saying so doesn't make it so. Of COURSE the Nazis see themselves as
wholesome: they are the ubermensche! THE superior race. Seems that you
are talking about fanaticism more than just religion. ANY group that
becomes overly zealous about its purpose becomes a danger to
others...which fantics can also be politicians, atheists, scientists,
parents, teachers, you name it. If there's a "cause" you'll find the
"ism" too!
>No, I am not a racist. The name is a trap for closet racists.
Wow, so how many have you entrapped thus far? Do you pluck 'em off
your mighty web and store them in a jar?
> African
>Americans frequently call each other nigger respectfully, as in, =93my
>nigger=94. It is a way of honoring a fellow survivor of bigotry.
Oh wow, I had no idea. Thanks for a most enlightening explanation.
>If you
>are a racist, you think negatively of the term =93nigger wise=94.
Hardly. As a caucasian, I am too respectful of blacks, to use that
term, whether in their presence or not. The word "n*gger" has a recent
history of violence and prejudice. The acceptance of that word among
blacks does NOT change one iota the hatefulness implied by such a word
when used by whites.
>What is
>pointed out on the very first page of the site is that NIGGERWISE is
>the highest of all wisdom.
Saying so doesn't make it so. Sorry to pop your little bubble. I think
your site is as pretentious as it is vacuous.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>I'm free to convert to any religion I choose even the crazy one's like
>scientology. I'm sure your free as well.
Right, and the press is free, too! If you believe that, I have a
bridge to sell you in Port Chester.
On the surface, it may seem we are all free in the USA. But when you
break it down to income, you'll see that the poor have very little
freedom, while the wealthy are reeking with it! And the ranks of the
poor are growing on a vast scale these days.
If I can find a religion based on condemning heterosexual dogma, I
might reconsider your dubious claim.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Yes there is violence in Australia I don't deny that and there is still
>homophobia and racism but that doesn't mean I can't convert to any religion
>without having to worry about getting stonned or something.
Only if you dwell in urban areas. Try that in a small town or rural
setting, and it's a whole 'nother ball of phobic wax! This also
applies to where homosexual really can live in relative peace, and
where they cannot.
> Plus you can always find people who share your views
> even if it's a small group.
Yeah, like the Jews did in Nazi Germany.
>However if you live in a small town your screwed.
Which pretty much nullifies any rights you may have as a minority, in
spite of any protections you may have on paper, by the gov't. My point
being:
This is still a mostly evil world. 500 years from now, the world will
look back and conclude that even the most advanced nations of our time
were basically barbaric in treatment to its citizens, except the
wealthy and well connected.
When humans started dropping from trees, certain individuals became
more powerful over others...for any number of reasons, not the least
orf which is because he or she had access to drinking water which no
one else knew about.
In time, these powers came into play, often conflicting and creating
devastation in their wake. Eventually, a small elite found itself
ruling large numbers of people. This kind of power is all based on
favoritism, and the luck of the draw.
In truth, even our most advanced nations (which of course includes Oz,
and in fact has the US coming in a distant last), we have only begun
to struggle out from under this very ancient form of power and abuse.
"Be fruitful and multiplyj" is one such ancient command that STILL
wreaks great havoc, misery and death to sexual minorities. But ONE
example of our present social mores that MUST die off, and soon, if we
hope to have a planet on which to dwell.
Zeke Krahlin
<eatabul...@yourface.net> wrote:
>Back into your killfile, Chief Thracian.
"My, what a thin skin you have!" said Little Red Riding Hood.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>The U.S. constitution has no bearing on laws within Australia, however.
Austrailia's constitution is much more similar than different, as are
all constitutions of all western democracies. Your point is poorly
made.
Zeke Krahlin
>Kids learn hatred of gays at a very early age.
From who? HETERO parents, HETERO churches. HETERO broadcasters. It is
NOT up to gays to turn this around...it is up to concerned heteros to
point out this egregious violation to his or her fellow heteros.
>The gay community needs to take a page from Obama and strategize
>for a while on how to fight the smears.
Bullsh*t. The HETERO community needs to lock up over HALF its
citizens, before we even begin to diminish bloody violence on this
planet.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Nope we need a bill of rights like you guys. Good thing our prime minister
>wants us to have one.
A lot of good it's done US Amerikans! If anything, the Bill of Rights
serves to point out what rights we DON'T have any more, thanks to the
Patriot Act...and a President who sees the Constitution as nothing
more than a ratty ol' piece of paper.
Your bill of rights will only serve to sell you a bill of goods. It's
a sick joke, to fool citizens into thinking they are free, when quite
the opposite is true.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Yeah I remember a case where a reporter got arrested for not revealing his
>source. If that happened in America he never would have gotten in trouble.
As regards political freedom and equality, Australia and the United
States each has its pros and cons. I'd say they balance out over all.
Yet EACH needs a lot more honesty and compassion to take the next
steps in civilized progress. In general, though, I'd say Australia
comes out ahead on the human rights issue, by more than a slim margin.
At least, since 9/11.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:42:14 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Lol I will be suppressed considering Hubbard was a science fiction writer
>>and a damn good one when you look at scientology.
>
> It really comes down to who has the most money, as to how CLOSE to the
> heavenly gates you can build your capitalist enterprise. I wonder if
> Bill Hubbard is any relation to Old Mother Hubbard.
>
It shouldn't be the case. Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to give away their
belongings? I wonder how he would view the church today.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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Actually I'm in Australia but I still think America has freedom of religion.
Ok someone had the point that they are still prejudices out there against
minority religions and they have a good point. The poor can still make
something out of there life, look at Obama. Before he got elected I was a
bit cynical on the "American Dream" now I truly believe in America anyone
can accomplish anything they set their mind to. The pursuit of happyness
(proper spelling of the movie. Not of happiness) is another prime example of
the American Dream.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:43:09 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yeah I remember a case where a reporter got arrested for not revealing his
>>source. If that happened in America he never would have gotten in trouble.
>
> As regards political freedom and equality, Australia and the United
> States each has its pros and cons. I'd say they balance out over all.
> Yet EACH needs a lot more honesty and compassion to take the next
> steps in civilized progress. In general, though, I'd say Australia
> comes out ahead on the human rights issue, by more than a slim margin.
>
> At least, since 9/11.
>
Yeah 911 is being used to excuse everything. But Australia has its own anti
terror laws where you can be arrested and held without being charged for 14
days. I believe everyone should have the right to be charged with something
and tell their family where they are. But I can enjoy a lot of freedom here.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:13:20 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Nope we need a bill of rights like you guys. Good thing our prime minister
>>wants us to have one.
>
> A lot of good it's done US Amerikans! If anything, the Bill of Rights
> serves to point out what rights we DON'T have any more, thanks to the
> Patriot Act...and a President who sees the Constitution as nothing
> more than a ratty ol' piece of paper.
>
> Your bill of rights will only serve to sell you a bill of goods. It's
> a sick joke, to fool citizens into thinking they are free, when quite
> the opposite is true.
>
Ok what rights does your bill of rights say you can't have?
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:46:57 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yes there is violence in Australia I don't deny that and there is still
>>homophobia and racism but that doesn't mean I can't convert to any
>>religion
>>without having to worry about getting stonned or something.
>
> Only if you dwell in urban areas. Try that in a small town or rural
> setting, and it's a whole 'nother ball of phobic wax! This also
> applies to where homosexual really can live in relative peace, and
> where they cannot.
>
Yeah but the government can't force people to tolerate others. We all have
free will. But yeah I guess gay people in small towns will have to stay in
the closet. I used to talk to someone who came from my old city of around
50,000 to 70,000 and said she had to move when she came out. I hear so many
bad coming out of the closet stories where I used to live. I have since
moved to Canberra where people are now more free to come out, not that I'm
in the closet or anything.
>> Plus you can always find people who share your views
>> even if it's a small group.
>
> Yeah, like the Jews did in Nazi Germany.
>
I never said Nazi Germany was a good place. It started of as a democracy but
when Hitler got elected (yes he was elected) he took away it's constitution
and got new powers.
>>However if you live in a small town your screwed.
>
> Which pretty much nullifies any rights you may have as a minority, in
> spite of any protections you may have on paper, by the gov't. My point
> being:
>
> This is still a mostly evil world. 500 years from now, the world will
> look back and conclude that even the most advanced nations of our time
> were basically barbaric in treatment to its citizens, except the
> wealthy and well connected.
>
I don't think this is a evil world. But thanks to free will people do treat
people badly and yes I agree in a few hundred years from now when humans
look back they will wonder why people were so racist or homophobic.
> When humans started dropping from trees, certain individuals became
> more powerful over others...for any number of reasons, not the least
> orf which is because he or she had access to drinking water which no
> one else knew about.
>
> In time, these powers came into play, often conflicting and creating
> devastation in their wake. Eventually, a small elite found itself
> ruling large numbers of people. This kind of power is all based on
> favoritism, and the luck of the draw.
>
> In truth, even our most advanced nations (which of course includes Oz,
> and in fact has the US coming in a distant last), we have only begun
> to struggle out from under this very ancient form of power and abuse.
> "Be fruitful and multiplyj" is one such ancient command that STILL
> wreaks great havoc, misery and death to sexual minorities. But ONE
> example of our present social mores that MUST die off, and soon, if we
> hope to have a planet on which to dwell.
>
Yeah I admit even Australia treated the Aboriginal people badly. In fact our
prime minister only recently appologised.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
The male image you depict as the entry to the entire site, looks quite
Aryan: blond hair, blue eyes and all. You sure you didn't mean to name
your site *wigger* wise?
zayton
>
> Wow, so how many have you entrapped thus far? Do you pluck 'em off
> your mighty web and store them in a jar?
>
No, the jar is where he keeps his pickled brain.
He has a magnifying glass next to it, so he can check and make sure it is
still there.
He needs to reasure himself, because every9ne he tries to communicate with
soon anks him if he has lost his mind....
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>It shouldn't be the case. Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to give away their
>belongings? I wonder how he would view the church today.
Why not check his web page?
JESUS HAS A WEB PAGE
Š 2000 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
Jesus has a web page,
Of that I surely know.
I stayed up all night reading
Every New Age para-ble.
Jesus has a web page,
And I can point you there:
Surf dot-to slash gaybible
And the home page will appear.
Jesus has a web page
Called "Final Testa-ment",
Sponsored by a free host
'Cause Jesus don't pay rent.
Jesus has a web page,
It's gonna blow your mind:
He says that he and daddy
Do the nasty all the time!
Jesus has a web page,
He's a faggot now I know,
'Cause he whipped it out in front of me,
And asked me for a blow!
Jesus has a web page,
And I can point you there:
Surf dot-to slash gaybible
And the home page will appear.
---finis
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Actually I'm in Australia but I still think America has freedom of religion.
Freedom? You call Xian fundamentalist dogma crushing our rights
freedom? You are indeed free to practice whatever religion you
want...but god help your soul if you choose a non-Xian one!
And what about freedom FROM religion? Why don't we have that, too?
Besides gay bashing in the name of Jehovah, we also have bombing of
abortion clinics, and overall macho violence. Mostly inspired by Xian
zealotry.
>Ok someone had the point that they are still prejudices out there against
>minority religions and they have a good point. The poor can still make
>something out of there life, look at Obama.
Obama's not poor, he's part of the wealthy elite! A corporate shill
whose skin color shields him from too much criticism by "the man".
>Before he got elected I was a
>bit cynical on the "American Dream" now I truly believe in America anyone
>can accomplish anything they set their mind to. The pursuit of happyness
>(proper spelling of the movie. Not of happiness) is another prime example of
>the American Dream.
You don't think his selction of Rick Warren, a notoriously homophobic
preacher, for the inaugural opening prayer, is a serious tarnishing of
the American dream?
The American dream is actually a nightmare, if it is not everyone's
dream. Enough of this adulation for a single nation...it's BOGUS!
Obama's choice of preacher is nothing short ofr a direct spit in the
face of our gay citizens...the vast majority of whom voted him in,
with much HOPE for a change, finally, from so much gay vitriol taking
over the political arena.
Well, apparently the American dream, if it happens, will happen
without those damn faggots. Or Jews, probably.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Yeah 911 is being used to excuse everything.
Using fear to control the citizens. Nothing new under the sun.
>But Australia has its own anti
>terror laws where you can be arrested and held without being charged for 14
>days.
Yes, fashioned upon the blueprint set by Amerika's Patriot Act.
Sometimes, emulating the USA is a big mistake.
>I believe everyone should have the right to be charged with something
>and tell their family where they are.
Well, terrorist law trumps what you believe. Sorry 'bout that, but
it's out of my control. And what if you have no family to tell where
you are, like myself and many others? Where does that leave us?
Persecuted and disappeared for the grievous sin of living the
individual life?
>But I can enjoy a lot of freedom here.
Where your freedom begins, another's ends. So enjoy the illusion while
you can, matey. Australia--along with most of western civilization--is
one of the free-est lands to live in.
But it's still a warped and corrupt version of what democracy was
supposed to become! Albeit better than the U.S.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Ok what rights does your bill of rights say you can't have?
Whatever it says we CAN have, is exactly what we can't. Unless of
course, you're quite affluent.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>Yeah but the government can't force people to tolerate others.
Nonsense. Sometimes the government has no choice BUT to force
tolerance on the nation. Think of desegregation here in Amerika. Think
of anti-semitism laws in Germany and Israel.
>We all have free will.
What good is it w/o the necessary luxuries that make free will worth
having...such as wealth, health, security, friendship, and a society
truly dedicated to each individual's fulfillment? What's free will
gonna get a starving child in Somalia? A dumbed-down redneck kid in
Alabama whose dream of a career is McDonald's? A pregnant Mexican
bride working in a toxic bordertown factory? An elderly citizen w/o
decent health insurance, foreced to sacrifice a heathful diet or vital
medicines in order to pay the rent? Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
>But yeah I guess gay people in small towns will have to stay in
>the closet. I used to talk to someone who came from my old city of around
>50,000 to 70,000 and said she had to move when she came out.
It is an UGLY situation for gays most anywhere, even in our most
advanced nations, which of course includes Australia. Even Holland is
caving in to the homophobia of Muslim immigrants. Amsterdam's gay
neighborhoods have become rife with fag bashing, mostly Muslim
instigated. It is getting worse for gays EVERYWHERE, as the Pope, the
Muslim faith, and many other zealot groups contrive a global holocaust
fomented by gay hatred and scapegoating.
There will soon be marauding gangs and bloody streets filled with the
bodies of gay men and women whose "free will" is useless. Much as it
has been all along, only this cycle in history is a tad more
aggressive.
>I hear so many
>bad coming out of the closet stories where I used to live. I have since
>moved to Canberra where people are now more free to come out, not that I'm
>in the closet or anything.
What you think is "freedom" is but mere crumbs compared to the freedom
and luxury heteros take for granted--even the poorest of 'em--in a
society that caters every whichway hetero bonding, while with the
other hand, condemns and attacks same-sex unions. You are fortunate to
occupy a corner of the world where you know SOME freedoms...enough to
live a reasonably fulfilling life. Which could NEVER happen without a
fairly high level of income to bolster that.
I have fallen many years ago, out of favor with the middle class,
remaining on a low income for most of my life. Believe me, it really
sucks in Amerika to be poor...gays are no less class-conscious than
heteros, so being low income within the gay community is NO dream
come true, I can tell you that! No friends, no social network, no
decent jobs...in spite of my intelligence and talent.
It's just plain pathetic, and biased TREMENDOUSLY to favor
heteros...even if you out in the streets. LOTS of homophobia
everywhere.
Zeke Krahlin
wrote:
>No, the jar is where he keeps his pickled brain.
Oh great "zayton," you are master of my fate! :/
Reggi...@sendtousenet.com
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:07:59 -0500, Reggi...@sendtousenet.com wrote:
>
>>Kids learn hatred of gays at a very early age.
>
>From who? HETERO parents, HETERO churches. HETERO broadcasters. It is
>NOT up to gays to turn this around...it is up to concerned heteros to
>point out this egregious violation to his or her fellow heteros.
Let me put it this way: if gays wait for heteros to turn it around
they'll be waiting for hell to freeze over.
Too many intolerant/ignorant heteros around.
And that won't change until many of the older heteros die off.
As it is i know too many older americans in their 70s 80s and 90s who
are not comfortable with blacks, gays. That will take many years to
overcome.
Intolerance is alive and well in the US of A.
>
>>The gay community needs to take a page from Obama and strategize
>>for a while on how to fight the smears.
>
>Bullsh*t. The HETERO community needs to lock up over HALF its
>citizens, before we even begin to diminish bloody violence on this
>planet.
Won't happen in my lifetime. Too many intolerant people.
And unfortunetly those intolerant people are in charge.
And the bottom line is someone who is tolerant of gays is
dead at the polls come election time.
You do realize for an elected official to come out in
favor of gay marriage is the kiss of death in 2009 in the US of A?
It will take many years to overcome that opposition.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
news:49601509...@news.goct.net...
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:03:44 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Actually I'm in Australia but I still think America has freedom of
>>religion.
>
> Freedom? You call Xian fundamentalist dogma crushing our rights
> freedom? You are indeed free to practice whatever religion you
> want...but god help your soul if you choose a non-Xian one!
>
When have non Christians rights been persecuted?
> And what about freedom FROM religion? Why don't we have that, too?
> Besides gay bashing in the name of Jehovah, we also have bombing of
> abortion clinics, and overall macho violence. Mostly inspired by Xian
> zealotry.
>
Atheists are free to be atheists as well but freedom from religion is a good
freedom as well.
>>Ok someone had the point that they are still prejudices out there against
>>minority religions and they have a good point. The poor can still make
>>something out of there life, look at Obama.
>
> Obama's not poor, he's part of the wealthy elite! A corporate shill
> whose skin color shields him from too much criticism by "the man".
>
Right so which corporations does he obey?
>>Before he got elected I was a
>>bit cynical on the "American Dream" now I truly believe in America anyone
>>can accomplish anything they set their mind to. The pursuit of happyness
>>(proper spelling of the movie. Not of happiness) is another prime example
>>of
>>the American Dream.
>
> You don't think his selction of Rick Warren, a notoriously homophobic
> preacher, for the inaugural opening prayer, is a serious tarnishing of
> the American dream?
>
That is a huge insult to all the gay people who voted for him, yes and it
sends a message that he is against gay marriage.
> The American dream is actually a nightmare, if it is not everyone's
> dream. Enough of this adulation for a single nation...it's BOGUS!
>
> Obama's choice of preacher is nothing short ofr a direct spit in the
> face of our gay citizens...the vast majority of whom voted him in,
> with much HOPE for a change, finally, from so much gay vitriol taking
> over the political arena.
>
Just what I said.
> Well, apparently the American dream, if it happens, will happen
> without those damn faggots. Or Jews, probably.
>
Like the Jews in Obama's staff?
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
news:4960170d...@news.goct.net...
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:05:21 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yeah 911 is being used to excuse everything.
>
> Using fear to control the citizens. Nothing new under the sun.
>
Nope using fear and propaganda to gain support for a war is nothing new as
well.
>>But Australia has its own anti
>>terror laws where you can be arrested and held without being charged for
>>14
>>days.
>
> Yes, fashioned upon the blueprint set by Amerika's Patriot Act.
> Sometimes, emulating the USA is a big mistake.
>
Agreed it's not always the best thing to do.
>>I believe everyone should have the right to be charged with something
>>and tell their family where they are.
>
> Well, terrorist law trumps what you believe. Sorry 'bout that, but
> it's out of my control. And what if you have no family to tell where
> you are, like myself and many others? Where does that leave us?
> Persecuted and disappeared for the grievous sin of living the
> individual life?
>
I'm afraid so but you'd still be entitled to call one person and be charged
with a crime. The people arrested under the anti terror laws don't have
those rights.
>>But I can enjoy a lot of freedom here.
>
> Where your freedom begins, another's ends. So enjoy the illusion while
> you can, matey. Australia--along with most of western civilization--is
> one of the free-est lands to live in.
>
> But it's still a warped and corrupt version of what democracy was
> supposed to become! Albeit better than the U.S.
>
Corrupt maybe but it still beats living under a religious dictatorship.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
news:49601872...@news.goct.net...
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:06:01 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Ok what rights does your bill of rights say you can't have?
>
> Whatever it says we CAN have, is exactly what we can't. Unless of
> course, you're quite affluent.
>
Well I don't think that. I just think governments like the current one just
doesn't follow it.
Seon Ferguson
"Zeke Krahlin" <ezek...@goct.net> wrote in message
news:496018b8...@news.goct.net...
I think I understand why you think America isn't free now. I am a straight
white guy from a middle class family so I have it made. I don't live in a
little town with homophobic bigots like you probably did. Also I hate how
religion is used to justify these kind of atrocities. Jesus never said we
should hate gay people or bash them. But before you say the Bible does
remember the king James version (which most people quote from) was
manipulated by it's translators. I hope your vision of the future doesn't
come true and the fundamentalists Christian or Muslim (both are bad) don't
turn Australia's sort of secular government. But I admit they are a lot of
aussies who would love to bring back the burning times but for gay people
and I find that sad.
David
>
>
> <Reggi...@sendtousenet.com> wrote in message
> news:td9ol49a5r05diuu1...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:08:48 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <pewte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:03991e8c-c4de-4063...@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Dec 29, 10:46 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> {{ You are one person who has woken up to the fact thatObamais just
>>>> another politician who won't represent the people who voted for
>>>> him. }}
>>>>
>>>> I kinda knew it all along.
>>>>
>>> Well you were more wise than I ever was.
>>>
>>>> {{ I wonder how long it will be before the anti war people wake up. }}
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how long it will be before the anti war people stop looking
>>>> the other way when gays are bashed, tortured and murdered; and include
>>>> them in their cause to end global violence. They're part of the
>>>> problem too!
>>>>
>>>> Whenever homosexuals are rounded up, imprisoned and sentenced to death
>>>> (often with a wall crushing them; a most horrid way to go) by this or
>>>> that Muslim-or-other-zealous nation, there's never a peep from "the
>>>> anti war people".
>>>>
>>>> Seems there's too much heterocentrism among the anti war types to be
>>>> of any use. Guess it's fine and dandy to use gays for the eternal
>>>> scapegoat (from both the right and the left, AND the center), and to
>>>> exclude the mass slaughter of queers as a wartime issue.
>>>>
>>> Well if you paid attention to my posts you would see I regularly
>>> speak out
>>> against persecution of homosexuals in Muslim countries, same with
>>> Bahai's. I
>>> speak out whenever someone's civil liberties are taken away. Even in
>>> Muslim
>>> countries. I also notice they don't speak out about people's rights
>>> being
>>> taken away in China.
>>>
>> I'm not even going to get into how muslim countries deal with
>> homosexuals. After the Muslims will put you to death for
>> converting to chrisianity.
>>
>> (A guy in Afghanastan was sentenced to death, his crime........
>> converting to Chrisitianity.)
>
> Yeah and they would probably treat wiccans or witches even worse. That's
> why I feel lucky to live in Australia. I can practice any religion I
> want and not have to be afraid of being persecuted.
>
>
I agree with you. I left the USA because it is NOT the land of the the
free!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seamus
>
> "My, what a thin skin you have!" said Little Red Riding Hood.
You know, not to bitch but, chanking your handle to evade killfiles is bad
form.
__
oh damn... I still don't have your fucking approval... that just
ruins my fucking weekend.
pewte...@gmail.com
> ezeki...@goct.net(Zeke Krahlin) whimpered:
> You know, not to bitch but, chanking your handle to evade killfiles is bad
> form.
What little YOU know, making false accusations! My regular news server
is down, so I have to resort to Google Groups to post. Ergo: two
different handles. Get over yourself.
Seamus
> is down, so I have to resort to Google Groups to post. Ergo: two
> different handles.
Au contraire. I was referring to the difference between "Chief Thracian"
and "Zeke Krahlin".
> Get over yourself.
Unlike you, I am not full of myself, nor do I have a persecution complex.
__
>Do the cyclical "september threads" count as continuous?
It's moot now. September 1993 will go down in net.history as the
September that never ended. - Dave Fischer in 1994, alt.folklore.net
The first recorded outbreak of this was Warren Burstein saying
"It's *always* September, *somewhere* on the net" in response to
a particularly Clueless outburst from Delphi.com on alt.folklore.urban,
in fall 1993. - Wendy M. Grossman, "net.wars"
Seon Ferguson
"David" <dampi...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:49620ee3$0$7463$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
I'm sorry your experience in the states was bad. I guess you had the same
view of America I have when you moved there.
BradGuth
> You are one person who has woken up to the fact that Obama is just another
> politician who won't represent the people who voted for him. I wonder how
> long it will be before the anti war people wake up.
So, you think Obama is just another warlord that's actually worse
corrupted and only cloaked as some kind of anti war mindset. Let's
hope you're not right, because it'll take nukes and 100% global
inflation the next time around.
~ BG
Joseph Littleshoes
Change the analogy slightly and maybe he can act as a 'mechanical
governor' over the engine of capitalism and keep it from a runaway
cascading, out of control harmonic amplification effect.
An Coibhi Drui
I say, as an Irishman and citizen of the world, give President Obama a
chance. Where the rest of the civilized world is concerned, he seems
to be moving in the right direction in his present obvious influence
on the White House. I think his presence will bring an end to the
suspicions of many Arabs about the U.S. being a Christian bastion. He
will gradually pull out of Iraq too. And he will be as good as George
Bush was toward helping maintain the pressure to keep the Northern
Ireland Peace Process alive and well and on track. Even though there
is not much anybody can do to stop the International Financiers
destroying the world economy, I think he may be a steadying influence
for good there too. So, let's give the man a chance, eh ?
Cheers,
Michael.