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1. Gerry Armstrong

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From: Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org>

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:43:06 -0700

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Subject: Expert Declaration of Gerry Armstrong, July 22, 2004

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Webbed with photographic evidence at:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/armstrong-decl-2004-07...

Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting

I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:

1. I am over the age of eighteen and could competently testify about
the facts herein if called upon to do so.

2. Sometime during or about the weekend of July 16-18, 2004 my
sweetheart Caroline Letkeman roasted some brown rice in one of our
frying pans on our electric range in our apartment at #1-45950
Alexander Avenue, in Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada. I have also
roasted rice in this manner so am familiar with the procedure that we
both use.

3. Our standard procedure is as follows: We rinse the rice, drain the
water, and spread the wet rice in a frying pan on low heat for about
thirty minutes. The rice dries and then roasts to a golden color and
heavenly aroma. After roasting, we grind the roasted rice, stir the
rice meal into four times its volume of cold water, add some salt,
crank up the heat and get it all boiling, then turn down the heat and
simmer until we’ve got a pot of brown rice porridge. It takes about
twenty minutes on our stove to make the cold water boil and the
porridge simmer til done. Usually we make more than one day’s portion
of porridge, so we put the uneaten part in the fridge. The next day,
and continuing thereafter until the porridge is gone, we take about
the same size portion, mix it with some ground flax, dollop the mixed
mass into an olive oiled frying pan, and smooth it into a pan-filling
pancake. Depending on its mass, the pancake usually cooks about twenty
minutes on side one at medium-high temperature, and about five minutes
on side two. When side one is well browned, it will often come free
from the pan, making it possible to flip the pancake in order to cook
side two. Sometimes it is necessary to employ a spatula to spatulate
side one from the pan, a condition I believe is in part attributable
to the degeneration of the subject pan’s coating through years of use.
It has happened on a number of occasions over the past several months
that even spatulation did not achieve a flippable pancake, and we were
left for breakfast again with porridge, albeit considerably denser,
flecked with flax and marbled with chunks and crumbs of crust. It is a
very rare, but not unpostulated, occurrence when one of our pan-sized
rice pancakes flips into the pan without any batter landing on the rim
of the pan, the kitchen countertop, or the floor.

4. Ms. Letkeman has told me that during her roasting of the rice on
the occasion referred to above she did not observe the subject pan at
all times, and that it was during one of the times when she was not
observing the pan that the first miracle occurred that is described
hereinafter. I have no reason to doubt Ms. Letkeman’s memory of this
event, because there was no one in the apartment with us throughout
any of the occurrences described herein, and both of us were doing
different things at different times.

5. During one of the times when she was observing the subject pan, Ms.
Letkeman said that she was seeing a shape, a face in the rice in the
pan. I then also observed the pan and observed a face, and further
observed that the face that had appeared in the roasting rice was the
face of Xenu, the terrible and unmistakable tyrant of seventy-five
million years ago. I immediately got our camera and took a photograph
of the pan face, which photograph I am appending hereto as Exhibit A.
Since I took the photograph, I have at all times retained it in my
custody and control, and it has not been altered in any way.

6. I am very familiar with Xenu’s appearance, having written the sole
definitive study of his appearance, and assembled the largest archive
of authentic records of his appearance on earth, or, as this planet
was known to Xenu, "Teegeeac," or "Teegeeack," depending on the
spelling. I have written many articles, declarations and affidavits
about Xenu, and I have testified as a Xenu expert in several court
proceedings. In my opinion, the face in the subject rice in the
subject pan was that of the same Xenu, also known as Lord Xenu, who is
known to have ruled the sector of the universe that included earth
seventy-five million years ago.

7. Not long after Ms. Letkeman and I observed Xenu’s face in the pan,
and I had taken a photograph of his face, I observed that his face had
disappeared from the pan, just as it had appeared. His face has not to
my knowledge reappeared, at least in the same pan, since the
above-described appearance.

8. Exactly two days later, while Ms. Letkeman and I were frying a
pancake that had been made from the very same porridge that had been
cooked from the very same meal that had been ground from the very same
rice in which Xenu’s face had appeared, and in the very same pan, Ms.
Letkeman observed that the pancake batter did not stay flat in the
pan, as is usual and anticipated, but had risen in the middle of the
pan into a conical shape. She related to me her observation, and I
also examined the shape of the pancake batter, and again got our
camera and took photographs to document this manifestation, which I
have concluded is a second miracle of Xenu that validates the first.
True, correct and unaltered copies of these photographs are appended
hereto as Exhibits B through E.

9. My examination showed that the pancake was formed into a virtually
pan-sized volcano, with a complete, functioning vent and crater. This
occurrence has specific, miraculous significance to me, and, in my
opinion, to other Xenu scholars as well, because volcanoes had been so
specifically significant to Xenu, his troops and their victims on
Earth seventy-five million years ago, and for all seventy-five million
years since. Indeed, the most authentic picture known of Xenu, which
Time Magazine used for the cover of its "Person of the Billennium"
issue, shows him standing in front of a violently erupting volcano. It
is noteworthy that the volcano pictured in the photograph on the cover
of the subject Time issue is remarkably similar in shape to the
volcano that erupted from the rice pancake batter in the subject
frying pan on the occasion described herein.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/fun/parody/billenium.html

10. As is well known, the autoschizological Xenu Cult, which is
headquartered in southern California, publishes a description of these
events involving these same galactic entities and their eternal link
to Earth’s volcanoes in the Cult’s universally available "secret
scriptures."

[Quote]

The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets around larger stars
visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet -- 178 billion on
average) by mass implanting.

He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2) and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas
and there "packaged."

His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means
of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.

When through with his crime Loyal Officers (to the people) captured
him after 6 years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap
where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has
since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that
this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill
(by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it.

[...]

Incident Two

75,000,000 years ago on this planet. Sometimes capture was on another
planet and explosion on this planet, then called Teegeeack. Locate
area of Explosion. Pictures of explosions follow it. Get original
explosion. Effort to stop usually present.

[...]

H Bomb dropped on Volcano. Explosion. Terrific winds. Thetan carried
over peak. Electronic ribbon came up. He stuck to it. It was then
pulled down and he was (as part of a group) implanted with R6.

Picture of pilot saying he is mocking it up.

(R6 material follow, then days of pictures, God, Devil, etc)

(Thetan usually cognites on pilot or before (or on 1st incident) and
leaves.)

[...]

The incident is over 36 days long. Capture on other planets was weeks
or months before the implant. Those on Teegeeack (Earth) were just
blown up except for Loyal Officers who were (shortly before the
explosion on Earth) rounded up.

Do Not Scan through the duration of 36 days.

The Volcanic Explosion on Earth to the point where "the Pilot" says
he's mocking it up is only a few days.

Sequence of Inc 2 for [thetans] on another planet.

1. Capture (being shot)
2. Freezing.
3. Transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point).
4. Being placed near a volcano.
5. Hydrogen bomb explosion in or on the volcano.
6. Beginning Implant up to "the pilot."
7. Various picture sequences.
8. The 7s and c.c. & OT II materials.
9. 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of materials
and 3 explanations for the bombing.
10. Transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into clusters.

The pictures contain God, the Devil, Angels, Space Opera, theatres,
helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and
various scenes very like modern England.

You name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirety "R6".

If one was a Loyal Officer on Teegeeack the sequence was (1) Capture.
(2) #5 above on. If one was a citizen of Teegeeack there was only #5
on.

The material given at the various "volcanoes" was longer or shorter
but dove-tailed into the same sequence of pictures. We have the whole
text but it is needless.

People who feel dizzy have gotten into the spinning part.

[...]

Inc 2 sometimes forms gigantic clusters. In such there is a Leader, an
Alternate Leader and several (8 to 18) more. These were all implanted
in different volcanic areas with fractions of the main 36 day implant
and then ...

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2. roger gonnet

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:29:02 +0200

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Subject: Re: Expert Declaration of Gerry Armstrong, July 22, 2004

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"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> a écrit dans le message de
news:gfnvf01f9j9ukg9b0ous0kieq6lgig9u73@4ax.com...

> Webbed with photographic evidence at:

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/armstrong-decl-2004-07...

> Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting

> I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:

LOL!

Good job, Gerry and Mistress Witness of the Holy Apparition of Saint Xenu
the Ruhlah!!

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3. Spacetraveler

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Date: 22 Jul 2004 15:37:51 -0700

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"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message <news:40ffeb4a$0$26049$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
> "Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> a écrit dans le message de
> news:gfnvf01f9j9ukg9b0ous0kieq6lgig9u73@4ax.com...
> > Webbed with photographic evidence at:

> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/armstrong-decl-2004-07...

> > Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting

> > I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:

> LOL!

> Good job, Gerry and Mistress Witness of the Holy Apparition of Saint Xenu
> the Ruhlah!!

Too bad only that he spends his time to this kind of ridicule instead
of using his energy to more fruitfull revelations. If you may call it
revelations.

Spacetraveler

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4. Spacetraveler

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Date: 22 Jul 2004 15:50:04 -0700

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Subject: Re: Expert Declaration of Gerry Armstrong, July 22, 2004

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The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
of doing. Id est telling fairytales. But when someone actually knows
about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
challenging your claims you avoid responding. A couple of times you
even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such. Why
is that Gerry?

Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?

Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."

Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.

I challenge you to defy me! I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
that.

http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.04071...

Spacetraveler

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Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message <news:gfnvf01f9j9ukg9b0ous0kieq6lgig9u73@4ax.com>...
> Webbed with photographic evidence at:
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/armstrong-decl-2004-07...

> Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting

> I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:

> 1. I am over the age of eighteen and could competently testify about
> the facts herein if called upon to do so.

> 2. Sometime during or about the weekend of July 16-18, 2004 my
> sweetheart Caroline Letkeman roasted some brown rice in one of our
> frying pans on our electric range in our apartment at #1-45950
> Alexander Avenue, in Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada. I have also
> roasted rice in this manner so am familiar with the procedure that we
> both use.

> 3. Our standard procedure is as follows: We rinse the rice, drain the
> water, and spread the wet rice in a frying pan on low heat for about
> thirty minutes. The rice dries and then roasts to a golden color and
> heavenly aroma. After roasting, we grind the roasted rice, stir the
> rice meal into four times its volume of cold water, add some salt,
> crank up the heat and get it all boiling, then turn down the heat and
> simmer until we?ve got a pot of brown rice porridge. It takes about
> twenty minutes on our stove to make the cold water boil and the
> porridge simmer til done. Usually we make more than one day?s portion
> of porridge, so we put the uneaten part in the fridge. The next day,
> and continuing thereafter until the porridge is gone, we take about
> the same size portion, mix it with some ground flax, dollop the mixed
> mass into an olive oiled frying pan, and smooth it into a pan-filling
> pancake. Depending on its mass, the pancake usually cooks about twenty
> minutes on side one at medium-high temperature, and about five minutes
> on side two. When side one is well browned, it will often come free
> from the pan, making it possible to flip the pancake in order to cook
> side two. Sometimes it is necessary to employ a spatula to spatulate
> side one from the pan, a condition I believe is in part attributable
> to the degeneration of the subject pan?s coating through years of use.
> It has happened on a number of occasions over the past several months
> that even spatulation did not achieve a flippable pancake, and we were
> left for breakfast again with porridge, albeit considerably denser,
> flecked with flax and marbled with chunks and crumbs of crust. It is a
> very rare, but not unpostulated, occurrence when one of our pan-sized
> rice pancakes flips into the pan without any batter landing on the rim
> of the pan, the kitchen countertop, or the floor.

> 4. Ms. Letkeman has told me that during her roasting of the rice on
> the occasion referred to above she did not observe the subject pan at
> all times, and that it was during one of the times when she was not
> observing the pan that the first miracle occurred that is described
> hereinafter. I have no reason to doubt Ms. Letkeman?s memory of this
> event, because there was no one in the apartment with us throughout
> any of the occurrences described herein, and both of us were doing
> different things at different times.

> 5. During one of the times when she was observing the subject pan, Ms.
> Letkeman said that she was seeing a shape, a face in the rice in the
> pan. I then also observed the pan and observed a face, and further
> observed that the face that had appeared in the roasting rice was the
> face of Xenu, the terrible and unmistakable tyrant of seventy-five
> million years ago. I immediately got our camera and took a photograph
> of the pan face, which photograph I am appending hereto as Exhibit A.
> Since I took the photograph, I have at all times retained it in my
> custody and control, and it has not been altered in any way.

> 6. I am very familiar with Xenu?s appearance, having written the sole
> definitive study of his appearance, and assembled the largest archive
> of authentic records of his appearance on earth, or, as this planet
> was known to Xenu, "Teegeeac," or "Teegeeack," depending on the
> spelling. I have written many articles, declarations and affidavits
> about Xenu, and I have testified as a Xenu expert in several court
> proceedings. In my opinion, the face in the subject rice in the
> subject pan was that of the same Xenu, also known as Lord Xenu, who is
> known to have ruled the sector of the universe that included earth
> seventy-five million years ago.

> 7. Not long after Ms. Letkeman and I observed Xenu?s face in the pan,
> and I had taken a photograph of his face, I observed that his face had
> disappeared from the pan, just as it had appeared. His face has not to
> my knowledge reappeared, at least in the same pan, since the
> above-described appearance.

> 8. Exactly two days later, while Ms. Letkeman and I were frying a
> pancake that had been made from the very same porridge that had been
> cooked from the very same meal that had been ground from the very same
> rice in which Xenu?s face had appeared, and in the very same pan, Ms.
> Letkeman observed that the pancake batter did not stay flat in the
> pan, as is usual and anticipated, but had risen in the middle of the
> pan into a conical shape. She related to me her observation, and I
> also examined the shape of the pancake batter, and again got our
> camera and took photographs to document this manifestation, which I
> have concluded is a second miracle of Xenu that validates the first.
> True, correct and unaltered copies of these photographs are appended
> hereto as Exhibits B through E.

> 9. My examination showed that the pancake was formed into a virtually
> pan-sized volcano, with a complete, functioning vent and crater. This
> occurrence has specific, miraculous significance to me, and, in my
> opinion, to other Xenu scholars as well, because volcanoes had been so
> specifically significant to Xenu, his troops and their victims on
> Earth seventy-five million years ago, and for all seventy-five million
> years since. Indeed, the most authentic picture known of Xenu, which
> Time Magazine used for the cover of its "Person of the Billennium"
> issue, shows him standing in front of a violently erupting volcano. It
> is noteworthy that the volcano pictured in the photograph on the cover
> of the subject Time issue is remarkably similar in shape to the
> volcano that erupted from the rice pancake batter in the subject
> frying pan on the occasion described herein.
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/fun/parody/billenium.html

> 10. As is well known, the autoschizological Xenu Cult, which is
> headquartered in southern California, publishes a description of these
> events involving these same galactic entities and their eternal link
> to Earth?s volcanoes in the Cult?s universally available "secret
> scriptures."

> [Quote]

> The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets around larger stars
> visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
> solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet -- 178 billion on
> average) by mass implanting.

> He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb
> on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2) and then the Pacific area ones
> were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas
> and there "packaged."

> His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means
> of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.

> When through with his crime Loyal Officers (to the people) captured
> him after 6 years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap
> where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has
> since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that
> this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill
> (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it.

> [...]

> Incident Two

> 75,000,000 years ago on this planet. Sometimes capture was on another
> planet and explosion on this planet, then called Teegeeack. Locate
> area of Explosion. Pictures of explosions follow it. Get original
> explosion. Effort to stop usually present.

> [...]

> H Bomb dropped on Volcano. Explosion. Terrific winds. Thetan carried
> over peak. Electronic ribbon came up. He stuck to it. It was then
> pulled down and he was (as part of a group) implanted with R6.

> Picture of pilot saying he is mocking it up.

> (R6 material follow, then days of pictures, God, Devil, etc)

> (Thetan usually cognites on pilot or before (or on 1st incident) and
> leaves.)

> [...]

> The incident is over 36 days long. Capture on other planets was weeks
> or months before the implant. Those on Teegeeack (Earth) were just
> blown up except for Loyal Officers who were (shortly before the
> explosion on Earth) rounded up.

> Do Not Scan through the duration of 36 days.

> The Volcanic Explosion on Earth to the point where "the Pilot" says
> he's mocking it up is only a few days.

> Sequence of Inc 2 for [thetans]

...

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We seem to have some hung comms about science....

Cheerful Charlie,----[ /home/wbarwell/sci/dianetics.mf1 ]
|
*************************************************************************** *
| Dianetics Mini-FAQ
| William C. Barwell October 6, 1997
|
*************************************************************************** *
|
| L. Ron Hubbard's book Dianetics makes quite a few unwarranted claims as to
| just what Dianetics can accomplish. This mini- FAQ is to examine just what
| Dianetics claims for those who do not want to bother to obtain and read
| this miserable book to find exactly out what Hubbard claimed.
|
| Dianetics was published in 1950, simultaneously as a book and in the
| Science Fiction magazine, Astounding Science Fiction.
|
| I will be examining a 1999 paperback edition.
| (I updated this July 22, 2004)
|
| Hubbard's main claims can be found in the chapters, 'The Scope of
| Dianetics' (book one, chapter one), 'The Clear' (book one chapter one),
| 'Psychosomatic Illnesses' (book two chapter five) and 'Release or Clear',
| (book three chapter two). I am not examining all of the claims of
| Dianetics, but more specifically what claims a Dianetics "clear" can
| achieve.
|
|
| What is a clear?
|
| "A Clear (noun) is an individual who has a result of Dianetic therapy, has
| neither active nor potential psychosomatic illnesses or abberations."
| (Page 221)
|
| *****
|
| "The Clear is an unaberrated person.
|
| "The Clear has no engrams which can be stimulated to throw out the
| correctness of computation by entering hidden or false data into it. No
| aberration." (page 147)
|
| ******
|
| The engram is the single and sole source of aberration and psychosomatic
| illnesses. (Page 90)
|
| ********
|
| "The purpose of therapy and its sole target is the removal of the content
| of the reactive engram bank. In a release, the majority of emotional
| stress is deleted from this bank. In a Clear, the entire content is
| removed." (Page 227)
|
| *********
|
| Yes, your 'engram bank' contains the engrams that cause abberations and
| illnesses. The goal of Dianetics is to audit out your engrams, empty the
| engram bank for good, and become clear.
|
|
| "Clear is the goal Dianetics therapy, a goal which some patience and a
| little study will bring about". (Page 577)
|
| ***** Your life as a Clear ******
|
| So you extend "some practice and a little study" and you are finally
| declared a Clear by a beaming Dianetics auditor. How does he know?
|
|
| "But a Clear is a Clear and when you see it you will know it with no
| further mistake." (Page 401)
|
| "How can you tell a Clear? How does man measure the optimum to man? Can he
| adjust to his enviroment smoothly? And far more important, can he adjust
| the enviroment to him? Sixty days and six months after a Clear has been
| effected, the auditor should make a search for any neglected material. He
| should question the Clear carefully as to the events of the past interval.
| In such a way he can learn of any worries, concerns, or illnesses which
| may have taken place and attempt to trace these to engrams. if he cannot
| then find engrams, the Clear is definitely and without question, cleared.
| And he will stay that way." (Page 401)
|
|
| Whew! Finally, we are sure we are Clear! We did it! Checked out and by
| golly, there is no mistake. No more engrams.
|
|
| Now for the miracles! What is behind door number three, Ron!?
|
|
| ***** Your new IQ *******
|
| Yes, you always wanted to be smart! That's why you bought the book, right?
| Let's see what Ron said about Clears and IQs.
|
|
| "Is it any wonder, that when these demons (engram caused aberrations) are
| deleted, IQ soars, as it can be observed to do in a Clear? Add the demon
| circuits to the shut down aspect of restimulation and the truth can be
| seen in the observation that people run on about one-twentieth of their
| mental power." (page 119)
|
| "A Clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything which ever
| happened to him, or anything he ever studied. He does mental computations,
| such as those in chess, for example, which a normal would do in half an
| hour, in ten or fifteen seconds." (Page 222)
|
| "He can do a swift study of anything within his intellectual capacity,
| which is inherent and the study would be the equivalent to him of a year
| or two when he was 'normal'. His vigor, persistance, and tenacity to life
| are very much higher than anyone has thought possible." (Page 222)
|
| "IQ, unless it falls down into the feebleminded level, is no great factor.
| And even then the IQ of any patient goes up like a skyrocket with clearing
| and rises all the while during the work." (Page 253)
|
| ****** A Perfect memory ******
|
| "A Clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything that ever
| happened to him, or anything he ever studied." (Page 222)
|
| ****** Enhanced Rationality *******
|
| "Release of such engrams means a restoration of rationality to individual
| far above the current norm and a stability and well-being greater than man
| thought man possessed. These engrams have been confirmed by taking data
| from a child, from the mother, and the father, and all data checked. So we
| are dealing here with scientific facts which, no matter how startling, are
| nonetheless true."
|
|
| ****** Live longer than 'normals' ******
|
| "What the lifespan of a Clear is cannot be answered now; ask in a hundred
| years." (Page 401)
|
| "The deletion of engrams from the reactive bank uniformly brought about a
| condition where they could recieve benefit from the hormones, but where
| such artifical administration was not necessary, save in cases of extreme
| age. What this means to gerontology (the study of longevity in life)
| cannot at this time be estimated, but it can be predicted with confidence
| that the deletion of engrams from the reactive bank has a marked effect on
| the extension of life. A hundred years from now, this data will be
| available, but no Clears have lived that long as yet." (Page 128)
|
|
| ******* No more accidents! ********
|
| "Treatment for accidental injury, surgery for various things such as
| malform -ation inherent in the body on a genetic basis, and orthopedics,
| which can properly be classed under both, remain properly outside of the
| field of Dianetics, although it can be remarked in passing that almost all
| accidents are to be traced to dramatization of engrams and that Clears
| rarely have accidents." (Page 122)
|
|
| ******* No More Psychosmatic Illnesses ********
|
|
| "About 70% of the physicians current roster of diseases fall into the
| category of psychosomatic illnesses." (Page 120)
|
| How this can come about can be shown by an analogic explanation such as a
| schematic diagram, but we are not so much interested in structure at this
| stage of the science of the mind - because by knowing function alone we
| can cure aberrations and psychosomatic illnesses everytime, predict new
| ills and aberrations and generally work "miracles" as such actions were
| once called before man knew anything about the mind." (page 127)
|
|
| ********* Clears do not get colds *************
|
|
| "Clears do not get colds." (page 123)
|
|
| ********** No Migraine Headeaches ************
|
|
|
| "Migraine headaches are psychosomatic, and with the others, are uniformly
| cured by Dianetic therapy. (And the word *cured* is used in the fullest
| sense.)" (Page 123)
|
| ********** Numerous ills cured **********
|
| "Arthritis, dermititis, allergies, asthma, some coronary difficulties, eye
| trouble, bursitis, ulcers, sinusitis, ect., form a small section of the
| psychosomatic catalgue. Bizarre aches and pains in various parts of the
| body are generally psychosomatic."
| (Page 123)
|
| ********* Hubbard's classes of psychosomatic ills ***********
| (All curable by Dianetics)
|
| There are 5 classes of psychosomatic ills:
|
|
| (1) Those ills resulting from mentally caused derangment in physical fluid
| flow, which class subdivides into:
|
|
| (1a) ...Inhibition of fluid flow
|
| (1B) ...magnication of flow
|
| (2) Those illnesses resulting from mental derangement of physical growth,
| which class subdivides into:
|
|
| (2A) ...Inhibition of growth
|
| (2B) ...magnification of growth
|
| (3) Those ills resulting from a predisposition to disease resulting from a
| chronic psychsomatic pain in that area.
|
| (4) Those ills resulting from the perpetuation of a disease on account of
| chronic pain in the area;
|
|
| (5) Those ills caused by he verbal command content of engrams.
|
|
| (Page 131)
|
| "In Class 1A fall such ordinary things as constipation and arthritis."
| (Page 131)
|
| "..the scientific fact is that when the engram is picked up, that
| arthritis vanishes and does not return and this is x-ray plate evidence."
| (Page 132)
|
|
| "Class 1B of psychosomatic ills, magnification of fluid flow, contains
| such things as high blood pressure, diarrhea, sinusitis, priapism,.. or
| any other physical condition resulting from a superabundance of a fluid." ...

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Not as far as I know. I urged you to find out who actually thought up
that peer review tactic, and getting it published in some special
magazine in order to get something widely accepted even if it could be
rubbish. It's all about manipulation. The science method as I briefly
described is the one that has been used through many ages, and it is a
fully workable one. Yours has a very short history and tend to make
things complicated. And in fact slow down positive developements.

And? Do you think not that dear old Gerry is avoiding responding to
me?

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Its the way science has been done since organizations such as the
Royal Society were set up many moons ago in 1660, many other
societies quickly followed suit.

This has been an extremely successful model that has
been working well for 3 1/2 centuries. Worldwide, large numbers
of colleges and Universities have been part and parcel of
science and are often involved in publishing journals.

Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
us that you are a scientific illiterate.

Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.

See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
struggling with. It is obvious that Hubbard's many claims in
Doofantics that 270 cases were examined blah, blah, blah,
were rank lies. As are his goofy claims, clears have perfect memories,
extended lifespans, massive IQ increaes, no more colds, 70%
of human ills cured, and more, are false and obviously so.
A man who makes false claims that don't work is no scientist.

So its obvious why Hubbard did not go through the usual
channels with his goofy nonsense as far as science is concerned.
He'd be found out in jig time. This is why faced with challenges
from peopl elike me, Scientologists usually go into bitter
denunciations of science and them smarty-pants scientists.

Scientology could no more back up teh basic claims of
Scientology, Hubbard or Doofusnetics than Hubbard could.

And that is what scince, its peer reviews and journals and
other smarty-pants nonsense is all about.
Culling the cranks, quacks, goofballs and nuts.
And finding errors, sloppy work, careless or not well
thought out work.
Or the well done, but simply not quite correct or
work that might be true but is on the cutting edge and might
be wrong and needs to be tested.
Hubbard does not fall inthe latter territory.
He is the first category, the crank, the pseudoscientist.

What you are saying is, "I don't have an
answer for you so I am blowing it off and not answering."

But your ideas about science are primitive and irrelevant.
Hubbard does not cut the mustard.

He claims on page 222 of his turgid tome that clears have
perfect memories and massive IQ increases.
That is simply tested.

For example there are well designed memory tests
that have been used for years to test memories.
It is useful for such things as testing people for
memory problems, early onset of Altzheimers,
or strokes or other problems. But this test does have
the statistical testing of thens of thousands of subjects
behind it so science has a very good idea of what the range
of average humans is as far as memory.
And it has a good idea of what the range of exceptional memory
in the best subjects are fromsuch tests.

Now, scientifically speaking, its an easy test, take pre-clears,
test them. Take a population of clears. Test them. If Hubbard
is doing science, if his claims are true, the clears will test
far above the normal range of test subjects that have
taken these tests of the years.
These tests have a well developed and uniform and simple
manner of being done, its hardly onerous or technically difficult.

Yet, over 50 years, Dianetics/Scientology has not doe anything
like this. Instead, it has simply kept Dianetics on as many bookstore
shelves as possible, peddling the same old lies, year after year.
Scientology is not science, does not do science and doesn't care about
science, becuase, even the clams at the top know it ain't so.

Science is about putting up or shutting up.
Scientology is about chumming for suckers.

Each year, in New York, in preperation for the yearly London
Mind Olympics, in April, there is held and event called
the Memoriad. people from all over the US gather for feats
of memory and related tasks. You have 60 seconds to go through
a shuffled pack of cards and memorize as many as possible.
Any number of people can memorize the whole pack in 60 seconds.
You get an hour to memorize a long sequence of a binary digit.
Top Memoriad winners do 2000 digits in an hour perfectly.

So. Where are all those Scientology clears? Years ago, I challenged
Scientology to march their best clears into the yearly Memoriad
and put up or shut up.

It ain't science, but it would be cute to see the Scientologists
show teh world what Scientology can do for you, in light of
Hubbard's claims in Dianetics, a book still peddled furiously by
this silly clam cult.

If you are peddling the claim, put up.
Don't sneer about peer review and run away.
And call it an argument. It isn't. Its picking
a small excuse and running away.

Its an old, old net kook manuveur that is obvious and invites
derision and laughter.

It's all about manipulation.

Its about competence.
Scientology is not aboit competence.
Or science.
Its about culling facts and truth from error
and pseudoscience. It has worked for centuries,
this method has been the most truely successful
human intellectual endeavor since mankind
invented writing.

Your bitter and totally off the wall denunciation
tells us a lot. You know deep down, that Scientology doesn't cut the
mustard.

We can look at the long list of obviously silly claims
from Dianetics to "The History of Man" to Hubbard's
many bloviating books to his other works. It is not science.
Most of it isn't even good pseudoscience. It obviously is not true.

The claimed results for following this crap are not true.
No clears with massive IQ increaes, no chess problems worked in
10 - 15 seconds, no perfect memories. No OT powers. No nothing.

The science method as I briefly

> described is the one that has been used through many ages, and it is a
> fully workable one. Yours has a very short history and tend to make
> things complicated. And in fact slow down positive developements.

Science is all that works. Pseudoscience does not work.
Hubbard's bullshit does not work, looking at his very own claims.
Dianetics does not work. Scientology, built on Dianetics does not work.
Its a pseudoscience cult.

It is not science, despite its attempt to steal the very name of
science.

Big claims, but you get none of the claims Hubbard so cheerflu bloviates
endlessly in Dianetics on.

> And? Do you think not that dear old Gerry is avoiding responding to
> me?

I know you avoided me.

I also know you are a scientific illiterate with little sense of
of what the difference between real science and nonsense is.

*************************************************************************** *
Dianetics Mini-FAQ
William C. Barwell October 6, 1997
*************************************************************************** *

L. Ron Hubbard's book Dianetics makes quite a few unwarranted claims as to
just what Dianetics can accomplish. This mini- FAQ is to examine just what
Dianetics claims for those who do not want to bother to obtain and read this
miserable book to find exactly out what Hubbard claimed.

Dianetics was published in 1950, simultaneously as a book and in the Science
Fiction magazine, Astounding Science Fiction.

I will be examining a 1999 paperback edition.
(I updated this July 22, 2004)

Hubbard's main claims can be found in the chapters, 'The Scope of
Dianetics'
(book one, chapter one), 'The Clear' (book one chapter one), 'Psychosomatic
Illnesses' (book two chapter five) and 'Release or Clear', (book three
chapter
two). I am not examining all of the claims of Dianetics, but more
specifically
what claims a Dianetics "clear" can achieve.

What is a clear?

"A Clear (noun) is an individual who has a result of Dianetic therapy, has
neither active nor potential psychosomatic illnesses or abberations."
(Page 221)

*****

"The Clear is an unaberrated person.

"The Clear has no engrams which can be stimulated to throw out the
correctness
of computation by entering hidden or false data into it. No aberration."
(page 147)

******

The engram is the single and sole source of aberration and psychosomatic
illnesses. (Page 90)

********

"The purpose of therapy and its sole target is the removal of the content
of the
reactive engram bank. In a release, the majority of emotional stress is
deleted
from this bank. In a Clear, the entire content is removed." (Page 227)

*********

Yes, your 'engram bank' contains the engrams that cause abberations and
illnesses. The goal of Dianetics is to audit out your engrams, empty the
engram
bank for good, and become clear.

"Clear is the goal Dianetics therapy, a goal which some patience and a
little
study will bring about". (Page 577)

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The introduction of control over scientific discoveries themselves.
First we had the Catholic Church controlling this, we have had
Copernicus, Galilei and so on. The Church was losing territory and so
another way of controlling had to be constructed. The principle of
science is to question any and all. What did Einstein actually do, how
was he able to come to his discoveries. Set systems will limit the
probablility to discover new things, it will limit them.

> Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
> us that you are a scientific illiterate.

Your opinion attempting to discredit me, you failed. I urged you to
regard some things, give other options. That instead should be
regarded as broadening one's understanding about something. You don't
want that, you want to set your boundaries. And that William is very,
very, unscientific. Science is supposed to broaden your view. This
tells us that you have seriously misunderstood the essence of science
itself.

> Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
> uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
> wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.

> See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
> struggling with.

He is not struggling with it. He made some very valid points. You have
not understood the purpose of the book Dianetics. I think he (she)
actually did.
It suffices to apply some of the information. One has to take the book
for what it is.

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Which has anything to do with what? The church failed to stamp out
the idea of a round earth and failed to stamp out the idea of
a heliocentric solar system. Galileo's greater work though, was
physics. He created science as we know it. How did Einstein do it?
Do you know? H e set out to explain the weird happenings discovered
in the Michaelson-Morely experiments to accurately measure the speed of
light.

Limits? Discovery limits us? Well, yes if that limits us from running off
at the mouth, making some speculations just wrong.

"Set systems", like Hubbo's bloviations, limit people's understandings
of reality and set them off on wild goose chases.

And the big promises, as seen in Dianetics, I laid them out in my
little mini-FAQ, don't happen as promised. It isn't science. Its
a con. The cult still peddles these cons. Luckily for Scientology, nobody
really reads Dianetics. And reflects on these untruths, obvious as they
are.

The "set system" of Hubbard is insane. Anybody who has read
Hubbard's Sex and Pain HCOPL knows Hubbard was not sane, and
not anywhere near as smart he thought.

I read the "set system" of "The History of Man" and laugh and
laugh and laugh.
Clam engrams and Fac One. Tain't science, Space Traveler,
tain't science.

>> Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
>> us that you are a scientific illiterate.

> Your opinion attempting to discredit me, you failed.

Have I? Shall we take a round of votes here as to whether
you have adequately shown Hubbard's codswallop is science?
That Doianetics claims are true? That you know anything at
all about science? That Hubbard knew dirt all about science?

Well, it looks like you have Faxhor's vote. Everybody else is probably
rolling on the ground.

Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Does your jaw hurt?

And where ARE those clears with perfect memories?
Do we just ignore the fact that this book makes big claims,
claims its science, and then can't show us a single example
of its many claims?

I urged you to

> regard some things, give other options. That instead should be
> regarded as broadening one's understanding about something.

Such as regarding Dianetics unproven claims as
irrelevant? Or Hubbard's lies, such as being a nuclear
physicists as irrelevant? As regarding Hubbard's space
cooty madness, implant stations under the Pyranees
mountains, gorilla goals, Xenu space opera tall tales and
the Sex and Pain HCOPL and the big lies of Dianetics as
science?

Not a chance.

You don't

> want that, you want to set your boundaries. And that William is very,
> very, unscientific.

Buying Hubbar's blazing ignorant bullshit is scientific?
can you hear the rude laughter out there in the peanut
gallery?

Hubbard made claims. We can see them in Dianetics.
They are all false. That is not science.
That is ignorant pseudoscience, a con, bullshit,
wrongheaded failure, quackery, and your feeble arguments
are useless here.

Science is supposed to broaden your view. This

> tells us that you have seriously misunderstood the essence of science
> itself.

You are about as far from a broad view as possible.
Hubbard's feebleminded bullshit is not broadminded.
Its false to its core.

And that is the issue.

>> Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
>> uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
>> wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.

>> See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
>> struggling with.

> He is not struggling with it. He made some very valid points.

The peanut gallery erupts in derisive laughter.

Faxhor hasn't made any valid points at all.
neither have you.

You have

> not understood the purpose of the book Dianetics. I think he (she)
> actually did.

What is to understand?
Hubbard makes claims.
That engrams exist.
That he knows how to remove them.
That a clear can easily be made in about 100
hours, and that clears have many amaizing abilities.

No clears are made, and nobody who is supposed
to be a clear, after 50 years and 50,000 supposed
clears, has any of the amazing abilities of Hubbard's
frothy propagandistic claims.

No, Hubbard's purposes are extremely obvious and
anybody who reads even a little of that stupid book
knows it. He tells us his purpose over and over and over.

To create clears with super-duper powers far beyond
miserable, engram ridden normals.
Either you haven't read this book and are plain ignorant of all
of this, or you are lying about all of this in a lame effort to save
Hubbo's less that salvagable reputation.
I suspect the latter.

> It suffices to apply some of the information. One has to take the book
> for what it is.

No, Faxhor flails at random.

All one has to do is scan through Hubbard, and its obvious
it ain't science, and Hubbard claims it is.

And not one of his big promises works as advertised.

--
Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.

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No, Einstein did it by reasoning independently. You however and most
others think in set patterns, they do not go beyond them. That is
limitation.

> Limits? Discovery limits us?

You are not reading and duplicating.

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> Well, yes if that limits us from running off
> at the mouth, making some speculations just wrong.

> "Set systems", like Hubbo's bloviations, limit people's understandings
> of reality and set them off on wild goose chases.

> And the big promises, as seen in Dianetics, I laid them out in my
> little mini-FAQ, don't happen as promised. It isn't science. Its
> a con. The cult still peddles these cons. Luckily for Scientology, nobody
> really reads Dianetics. And reflects on these untruths, obvious as they
> are.

> The "set system" of Hubbard is insane. Anybody who has read
> Hubbard's Sex and Pain HCOPL knows Hubbard was not sane, and
> not anywhere near as smart he thought.

> I read the "set system" of "The History of Man" and laugh and
> laugh and laugh.
> Clam engrams and Fac One. Tain't science, Space Traveler,
> tain't science.

> >> Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
> >> us that you are a scientific illiterate.

> > Your opinion attempting to discredit me, you failed.

> Have I? Shall we take a round of votes here as to whether
> you have adequately shown Hubbard's codswallop is science?
> That Doianetics claims are true? That you know anything at
> all about science? That Hubbard knew dirt all about science?

> Well, it looks like you have Faxhor's vote. Everybody else is probably
> rolling on the ground.

> Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Does your jaw hurt?

> And where ARE those clears with perfect memories?
> Do we just ignore the fact that this book makes big claims,
> claims its science, and then can't show us a single example
> of its many claims?

> I urged you to
> > regard some things, give other options. That instead should be
> > regarded as broadening one's understanding about something.

> Such as regarding Dianetics unproven claims as
> irrelevant? Or Hubbard's lies, such as being a nuclear
> physicists as irrelevant? As regarding Hubbard's space
> cooty madness, implant stations under the Pyranees
> mountains, gorilla goals, Xenu space opera tall tales and
> the Sex and Pain HCOPL and the big lies of Dianetics as
> science?

> Not a chance.

> You don't
> > want that, you want to set your boundaries. And that William is very,
> > very, unscientific.

> Buying Hubbar's blazing ignorant bullshit is scientific?
> can you hear the rude laughter out there in the peanut
> gallery?

> Hubbard made claims. We can see them in Dianetics.
> They are all false. That is not science.
> That is ignorant pseudoscience, a con, bullshit,
> wrongheaded failure, quackery, and your feeble arguments
> are useless here.

> Science is supposed to broaden your view. This
> > tells us that you have seriously misunderstood the essence of science
> > itself.

> You are about as far from a broad view as possible.
> Hubbard's feebleminded bullshit is not broadminded.
> Its false to its core.

> And that is the issue.

> >> Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
> >> uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
> >> wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.

> >> See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
> >> struggling with.

> > He is not struggling with it. He made some very valid points.

> The peanut gallery erupts in derisive laughter.

> Faxhor hasn't made any valid points at all.
> neither have you.

> You have
> > not understood the purpose of the book Dianetics. I think he (she)
> > actually did.

> What is to understand?
> Hubbard makes claims.
> That engrams exist.
> That he knows how to remove them.
> That a clear can easily be made in about 100
> hours, and that clears have many amaizing abilities.

> No clears are made, and nobody who is supposed
> to be a clear, after 50 years and 50,000 supposed
> clears, has any of the amazing abilities of Hubbard's
> frothy propagandistic claims.

> No, Hubbard's purposes are extremely obvious and
> anybody who reads even a little of that stupid book
> knows it. He tells us his purpose over and over and over.

> To create clears with super-duper powers far beyond
> miserable, engram ridden normals.
> Either you haven't read this book and are plain ignorant of all
> of this, or you are lying about all of this in a lame effort to save
> Hubbo's less that salvagable reputation.
> I suspect the latter.

> > It suffices to apply some of the information. One has to take the book
> > for what it is.

> No, Faxhor flails at random.

> All one has to do is scan through Hubbard, and its obvious
> it ain't science, and Hubbard claims it is.

> And not one of his big promises works as advertised.

> --
> Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
> www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
> A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
> www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
> "L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
> step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
> himself with fellow liars.

> Cheerful Charlie

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