Attention Barbara Schwarz; The ribbon cutting event is at 1:00 p.m. today! Put your reporter's hat on!
Ignatius J. Reilly
Scientology center open in Salt Lake's downtown
Saturday, December 10, 2005
Mission focuses on pricey counseling to eliminate negativity
[...]
Deseret Morning News
The Church of Scientology will open a new mission downtown today, with
a public ribbon cutting event at 1 p.m. and remarks by Rep. Curt Oda,
R-Clearfield.
The church has between 200 and 300 practitioners in the greater Salt
Lake area, according to local spokeswoman Lora Mengucci, and the new
mission church at 353 E. 400 South will provide newcomers with an
introduction to the course work and philosophical underpinnings of
Scientology.
Those who have embraced the church's teachings meet at a larger
facility in Sugar House, 1931 S. 1100 East.
The center will focus on Dianetics counseling, according to Cyndy
Wright, executive director of the new mission. "If a person has an
unwanted attitude or emotions, we talk to them to find out where they
are stemming from and help you find the source of those." Dianetics
counseling helps individuals "discover the answers (to such problems)
himself. It's not told to him." Scientology "helps lead people to
discover those things on their own," she said.
Dianetics involves a process called "auditing" or spiritual
counseling, and often includes the use of an "electropsychometer" or
e-meter, which is said to examine the effect of past negative
experiences on a person's current mental state. Eliminating or
"clearing" such negative experiences from a person's "reactive mind"
is the goal of auditing sessions, according to literature from the
church's Web site.
Such sessions become a funding mechanism for the church, which
stresses the need for auditing to clear one's mind and charges fees
that can run into the thousands of dollars.
"With this expansion of our church, we can help more individuals find
solutions to the problems they face in life. We are a practical
religion, which offers practical solutions," Wright said. The church
is highly critical of psychiatry and the use of psychiatric drugs and
believes mental ills are best treated with spiritual counseling.
Initial courses on better communication skills will be offered through
the mission, Wright said, and cost less than $100 including books and
materials.
While the initial course work is relatively inexpensive, critics have
long pointed to the fact that to progress to new levels of spiritual
enlightenment within Scientology, candidates must pay for increasingly
costly instruction that can run into the hundreds of thousands of
dollars.
Mengucci doesn't dispute that her church requires payment for
progression within the faith, but characterized the cost as something
equivalent to "a college education" and said she believes the price is
worth the personal benefit. "On the grand scale of things, is it
really that much when you are doing that much better in life? I don't
think so."
She was introduced to Scientology "by someone on the street who was
like a missionary." She said she went inside, not knowing she was
entering a church, and was introduced to a communications course that
gave her the tools to overcome a lifetime of shyness. As she got more
deeply involved, "It helped me go forward and I was able to view
things straight on and handle them in my life better."
Terris Cota, who is affiliated with the main Church of Scientology in
Los Angeles, came to Utah this week for the mission's grand opening.
She said she spent some time at the University of Utah on Tuesday,
selling books and talking to students about the church, and would like
to see those with questions come to the open house.
"There are a lot of students with issues happening in their lives and
they don't know how to solve them." She said college students "aren't
necessarily our focus, but it is a good public to reach" because
"they're at an age where many are trying to figure out where life is .
. . We don't have a strategic target at the U., but if some group
would like to start something there, we would," Cota said.
The church came under fire late last month in Buffalo, N.Y., after it
rented private space on the campus of the State University of New York
there. Some administrators expressed concern about allowing the
organization to interact with students on campus when it isn't a
registered club, saying the church's presence gave the impression of
government sanction.
Cota said she's watched Scientology expand rapidly in recent years,
and the western United States now has 34 churches. Los Angeles alone
has 40,000 practitioners, the largest single concentration in the
country. Clearwater, Fla., is another Scientology hot spot, and those
who want to progress to the top levels of their faith eventually take
high-level courses either in L.A. or Florida, she said.
Though she didn't have a solid figure, Cota said the most recent
estimate for the number of Scientologists worldwide is 10 million,
though there is no formal membership requirement ritual or baptism, as
with many other faiths.
Scientology does not have a defined theology, liturgy or ritual, but
considers the writings of founder L. Ron Hubbard to be sacred. It
teaches the existence of a supreme being and ongoing life after death
but does not address personal salvation or judgment and is not
associated with the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Locally the church supports, but is not the funding arm for, the
Citizen's Commission on Human Rights, which is headed by a
Scientologist, Mengucci said. The commission is often involved with
political issues on the state level and often lobbies Utah legislators
on human services concerns.
For information, call 532-8008.
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Ignatius J. Reilly
More on today's opening event to get you better prepared, Barbara:
http://www.heraldextra.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=70691
snip>
1210 Religion Briefs
The Daily Herald
Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 12:00 AM
Mayor welcomes Scientologists to SLC
The Church of Scientology is back in the Beehive State -- sort of. The
controversial faith founded by writer L. Ron Hubbard has been present
in Salt Lake City for decades, but without, in recent years, the
facilities for proselytization of new followers.
That will change today with the grand opening of the Church of
Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City. The grand opening event, at 1
p.m., will feature guest speakers including Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky
Anderson, a ribbon-cutting ceremony and free tours.
Church publicist Cynthia Wright said the original Mission of Salt Lake
City became a nonproselytizing congregation in the early 1980s. The
new center will provide educational materials and training for
religious seekers interested in becoming Scientologists.
The Church of Scientology is especially noted for its attraction of
high-profile celebrities. Actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta are both
longtime Scientologists.
Additional information about the grand opening and the Mission of Salt
Lake City is available by phone at (801) 532-8008."
Barbara Schwarz
Ignatius J. Reilly wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:54:40 -0800, Ignatius J. Reilly
> <pyloric-va...@abdominal-distention.com> wrote:
>
> >http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635167644,00.html
> >Scientology center open in Salt Lake's downtown
> >Saturday, December 10, 2005
> >
> >Mission focuses on pricey counseling to eliminate negativity
> >[...]
> >Deseret Morning News
> >
> >The Church of Scientology will open a new mission downtown today, with
> >a public ribbon cutting event at 1 p.m. and remarks by Rep. Curt Oda,
> >R-Clearfield.
How can you think that I will miss that event, Ignatius? But thanks for
reminding me several times. :)
Barbara Schwarz
--
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
More about Dave Touretzky:
http://urlsnip.com/254524
http://urlsnip.com/402460
Other interesting websites:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
http://www.alarmgermany.org/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
http://www.cchr.org
http://www.MindFreedom.ORG/
http://www.datafilter.com/mc
http://www.freespeechstore.com
Barbara Schwarz
Ignatius J. Reilly wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:54:40 -0800, Ignatius J. Reilly
> <pyloric-va...@abdominal-distention.com> wrote:
I see, Mayor Rocky Anderson will be there too. Sounds like a big party.
:) Just hope that the media does not recognize me in the crowd. You
know, they are getting so nosy when they see me.
Barbara Schwarz
--
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
More about Dave Touretzky:
http://urlsnip.com/254524
http://urlsnip.com/402460
Other interesting websites:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
http://www.alarmgermany.org/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
http://www.cchr.org
http://www.MindFreedom.ORG/
http://www.datafilter.com/mc
http://www.freespeechstore.com
>
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>Just hope that the media does not recognize me in the crowd. You
>know, they are getting so nosy when they see me.
Paranoia combined with ego. Amazing.
Barbara Schwarz
Sad that heckler Val has no sense of humor.
Barbara schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving. People were nicely
dresses, all ages, all kind of races, also family with nice undrugged
kids. Not one bag lady, not one heckler or picketer. It was friendly,
professional and peaceful.
But the event did not start exactly at 1 pm, and I wondered what they
were waiting for. They had gas heaters in the streets for the long line
of people to warm up.
I heard that Mayor Rocky Anderson and Rep Curt Oda were already in the
building since half an hour. But they still were waiting of somebody
else. (I have a very exciting style of reporting, don't I, Ignatius? ;)
I know how to build up suspense!)
The yard was packed, and everywhere people with cameras taking photos
of filming. The staff members wore a pin, indicating that they are
hosts and their names.
The building was decorated with many Christmas wreaths and fire red
ribbons and pine cones and hundred red balloons hung over the entrance.
Finally, the missionholder opened the event, and there was a small
problem. The people who did not fit in the yard didn't hear any of the
speech when trax or cars went by, so next time, it would be good if
they put a loudspeaker in the street and not just in the yard. Anyway,
when no car or trax was rolling down University Boulevard, I could hear
was was said. Another lady spoke and we in the street didn't hear what
she was saying as cars rushed down the street.
The Mayor Rocky Anderson was all praise. He spoke a couple of minutes
and commended Scientology on its activities in drug rehab and work
against crimes, he fully recognized SCN as religion and warmly welcomed
SCN in Salt Lake City. He asked them to work with other religions in a
task force that he created. He sat right next to a big picture of L.
Ron Hubbard and so did Rep. Curt Oda. He was even more enthusiastic
about SCN and its activities. The men had louder voices so we could
understand them better. I hope they recorded the speeches and that they
are accessible on the net one day then you can read yourself. Each
speaker got a big applause.
Then the Missionholder cut the ribbon and hundred red balloons flew in
the sky. (Was cold but nice weather, lots a sunshine.)
A minute after the balloons flew, a very fine dressed black couple
rushed towards the yard and she said: "Let me through, I am a speaker!"
Everyone gave them the way free and I knew why the event was delayed.
They waited for that couple. I recognized her as
Jeanetta Williams, president of the NAACP in SLC. They apparently were
stuck in traffic and came exactly one minute too late for the event and
could not deliver their speech but they joined the event.
We all were allowed inside. In the basement they have a gym and a big
sauna, the own purification rundown center. Probably 15 people can fit
in that sauna. In the first floor is the reception, the book store, a
center were people can see introductory films, a test center, then on
another level higher is the academy and auditing rooms and another
story up are administrative offices. Furniture were new and tasteful,
nothing old or from the thrift store.
A staff member gave us the Way to Happiness Booklet and promo and a
personality test about the mission as a present. ( I sure could fill it
out but mine is so good, the line is all on the very right side and
that could be shocking to an unsuspecting test evaluator who usually
deals with people from the street whose curve is on the left side. )
In one big room they had refreshments, huge shrimps, croissants, deli
platters with filled wraps, fruits, brownies, cookies, coffee, hot
cider and mineral water in bottles. I rubbed shoulders with the Mayor a
couple of times, and I heard that the husband of the Missionholder was
explaining him contents from Scientology books.
I can't resist fresh food so I headed towards these trails with Rep.
Curt Oda following me. He is very accessible and it seems that he feels
at home in that Mission. I exchanged some words with the
Scientologists, staff, their chaplain, and public and some others,
looked in each room and also the closets. (To make sure that rumors
come up: I found nobody in it but clothes.)
I took some promo with me that I may have not yet read or not read
since a long time and signed my name in the guest book, and told the
staff at the reception to make sure to ask the Mayor to sign it too as
it would be always great to have the signature of the Mayor in the
guest book. She got a good chuckle out of that one.
I signed my name clearly in it that my signature does not get confused
with that of the Mayor, who might have signed right after me.
That was pretty much it. Now you know as much as if you would have
been there yourself.
Barbara Schwarz
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>Sad that heckler Val has no sense of humor.
Val isn't here. How can you be so stupid and still
remember to breath?
plethora
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> Here are the news. There was a long line outside of the Church of
> Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
> Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
> people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving. People were nicely
> dresses, all ages, all kind of races, also family with nice undrugged
> kids. Not one bag lady,
Well at least ONE bag lady!
.........
Nathan Motalio
Nathan Motalio
>
> I can't resist fresh food
How much do you weigh, lardass?
>
Simkatu
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> Here are the news. There was a long line outside of the Church of
> Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
> Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
> people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving.
Thanks for your report Barbara. I appreciate it.
Barbara Schwarz
Are you her split personality then?
Eru Ilúvatar
>> Val isn't here. How can you be so stupid and still
>> remember to breath?
>Are you her split personality then?
Is that the best you can do? Man, you are so lame.
roger gonnet
"Ignatius J. Reilly" <pyloric-va...@abdominal-distention.com> a écrit
dans le message de news: 2p0mp1t4hcj7l68u5...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:54:40 -0800, Ignatius J. Reilly
> <pyloric-va...@abdominal-distention.com> wrote:
>
>>http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635167644,00.html
>>Scientology center open in Salt Lake's downtown
>>Saturday, December 10, 2005
>>
>>Mission focuses on pricey counseling to eliminate negativity
>>[...]
>>Deseret Morning News
>>
>>The Church of Scientology will open a new mission downtown today, with
>>a public ribbon cutting event at 1 p.m. and remarks by Rep. Curt Oda,
>>R-Clearfield.
>>
>>The church has between 200 and 300 practitioners in the greater Salt
>>Lake area, according to local spokeswoman Lora Mengucci, and the new
>>mission church at 353 E. 400 South will provide newcomers with an
>>introduction to the course work and philosophical underpinnings of
>>Scientology.
I don't believe they have 2 or 300 members.
See the number of sclams websites in UTAH was equal to ZERO in february. None!
Do scientologists fear the mormons "persecutions", that they would hide 2 or 300
members who shouold have perhaps 50 sclams websites?
r
Nathan Motalio
You also see these long lines when thousand of lemmings cast themselves
over the edge of a cliff.
blackdove
Ditto.
Andrew Robertson
"Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134275351.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And thank you, Simkatu, for your generous comment. Replying to the content
of a post rather than reacting instinctively with a preconceived attitude
towards the poster is not always typical on this newsgroup.
Barbara is a highly intelligent woman with considerable experience and
knowledge of the Church of Scientology at a senior level, and there are many
things she could contribute to this forum.
At present she spends considerable time engaged in dueling banjos with her
adversaries, but that's her choice and she walks her own path. And though
it's a yellow brick road that's far from Kansas, I know she'll find her ruby
slippers in the end.
Andrew
blackdove
I'm not much for underwater cities and remote controlled bees.... but
it WAS a good post.
-blackdove
Ignatius J. Reilly
<barbara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the report Barbara!
It's by far the best post you've ever written because it's objective
content, though biased from your parallax view, which can't be
avoided, by anyone, is not trying to supplant reality with 'personal
reality spin' that doesn't leave reason to twist in the 'abstract'
wind. You might think about doing an Eval of your 'normal' posting
style vis-a-vis your hard hitting report of the event. But now I
digress with a possible invalidation, or am I? Think about it.
I have a question about your report, when you say:
>In one big room they had refreshments, huge shrimps, croissants, deli
>platters with filled wraps, fruits, brownies, cookies, coffee, hot
>cider and mineral water in bottles. I rubbed shoulders with the Mayor a
>couple of times, and I heard that the husband of the Missionholder was
>explaining him contents from Scientology books.
>
>I can't resist fresh food so I headed towards these trails with Rep.
>Curt Oda following me. He is very accessible and it seems that he feels
>at home in that Mission. I exchanged some words with the
>Scientologists, staff, their chaplain, and public and some others,
>looked in each room and also the closets. (To make sure that rumors
>come up: I found nobody in it but clothes.)
I'm taking "rubbing shoulders" literally as meaning 'mixing and
socializing' by "exchanging words", as you say, with staff or maybe
even notables like Mayor Rocky and Rep. Curt Oda. If you did chat with
Salt Lake luminaries could you fill in the blanks of what was said
between, let's say, you and the Mayor? Or Rep. Curt Oda? I'll even
take quotes from the Mission holder or public/staff Scientologist's.
I'm asking for specific quotes on questions and/or originations put
forward by you and how those originations and/or questions were
received by pooh-bah's such as the Mayor. I have to assume from your
report that you weren't hard hitting enough to talk about ear implants
as the source of wog control or mentioning the dreaded SEGNMPSS as
being controlling agents of the Church to see what responses might be.
Out gradient for notables but not for ARS?
The 'why' of the story was obvious from the start that didn't need
your input as a reporter, but the 'who' and 'what' was filled in quite
nicely. You gave visual dimension to your description of events
conveying the human element of the story. Well done Barbara. Now, how
about filling in the ___ blanks about what was said between you and
whomever around the punch bowl festivities."Exchanged some words"
isn't good enough. Try harder with the specifics of what was said.
That's the way to complete your report. Did Rocky's hair stand on end
when you spoke to him? <kidding> If so, what did you say to make that
happen? If you were charming, to whomever, what did you say or ask
that made you charming, and what were the response's from others as
quotes that should have been in your report? Get what I'm after? Lets
dissect this thing to the bone and not leave anything hanging. Good
reporters always give quotes from the questions they asked as an
essential of any story. Lets see yours! Don't bail out on me yet ;-)
Lets see this through.
IJR
John Dorsay
Nathan Motalio
My point is that lemmings follow each other stupidly to their death
sometimes.
The Snopes article states:
"Contrary to popular belief, lemmings do not periodically hurl
themselves off of cliffs and into the sea. Cyclical explosions in
population do occasionally induce lemmings to attempt to migrate to
areas of lesser population density. When such a migration occurs, some
lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers.
These deaths are not deliberate "suicide" attempts, however, but
accidental deaths resulting from the lemmings' venturing into unfamiliar
territories and being crowded and pushed over dangerous ledges."
So they don't commit suicide, but they die in large numbers after
massing and falling over cliffs. Semantical differences aside, thanks,
Snopes!
Hmm. Wannabe $cientologists lining up, stupidly venturing into
unfamiliar territory and being pushed into danger. The difference is the
lemmings do it unwillingly and the $cienofreaks do it by choice. Doesn't
make it any less stupid.
barb
You don't get it. Scientologists are often tricked and misled into it.
The Bridge is actually only a Pier.
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
Barbara Schwarz
Nathan Motalio wrote:
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I can't resist fresh food
>
> How much do you weigh, lardass?
Lol. Fresh food makes so fat. The nutrionists say it all the time, stay
away from the fruits, they make you obese. You are such an idiot,
"Nathan". Wonder where you buy your lard-apples! :) Perhaps you should
try another produce store. You one is weird just like you are.
Barbara Schwarz
That "suicidal behavior" of the Lemmings could have something to do
with environmental pollution.
Barbara Schwarz
Remember, psychiatric patients who pop anti-depressants are in big
dangers to kill themselves. I saw no depressed face in that line. If
you would try to kick them over a cliff, they would hold onto that
rope! Even the Mayor looked happy.
L. Ron Hubbard expects Scientologists to use their heads and think for
themselves. If somebody is in the orgs who allows himself to be tricked
and misled by an infiltrator, he did not apply basic Scientology to
think for themselves.
I am being defamed here
> "Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134275351.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> >> Here are the news. There was a long line outside of the Church of
> >> Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
> >> Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
> >> people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving.
> >
> > Thanks for your report Barbara. I appreciate it.
>
> And thank you, Simkatu, for your generous comment. Replying to the content
> of a post rather than reacting instinctively with a preconceived attitude
> towards the poster is not always typical on this newsgroup.
I did not yet come to the conclusion that Simkatu is not one of my
"new" thread to thread stalkers and defamers, Andrew. He also did not
correct his crap about me on Wikipedia.
>
> Barbara is a highly intelligent woman with considerable experience and
> knowledge of the Church of Scientology at a senior level, and there are many
> things she could contribute to this forum.
I can't argue with that one, Andrew. :)
>
> At present she spends considerable time engaged in dueling banjos with her
> adversaries, but that's her choice and she walks her own path.
Could be that I don't spend considerable time posting but that I am a
fast typer?
>Although
> it's a yellow brick road that's far from Kansas, I know she'll find her ruby
> slippers in the end.
>
> Andrew
Thanks, Andrew, I'll post a picture on ABS with my feet wearing them,
once I got them. Or you may publish them in your photo gallery.
I am being defamed here
Me neither. Never posted of an underwater CITY and never approved of
remote contolled bees.
I am being defamed here
> because it's objective
> content, though biased from your parallax view, which can't be
> avoided, by anyone, is not trying to supplant reality with 'personal
> reality spin' that doesn't leave reason to twist in the 'abstract'
> wind. You might think about doing an Eval of your 'normal' posting
> style vis-a-vis your hard hitting report of the event. But now I
> digress with a possible invalidation, or am I? Think about it.
If you ask me to become like anybody else on ARS, you will be very
disappointed. I post the truth how I have discovered and seen it. That
applies to all my poistings. I don't post to fit in. Enough people do
this already, and somebody has to post what was never posted before.
> I have a question about your report, when you say:
>
> >In one big room they had refreshments, huge shrimps, croissants, deli
> >platters with filled wraps, fruits, brownies, cookies, coffee, hot
> >cider and mineral water in bottles. I rubbed shoulders with the Mayor a
> >couple of times, and I heard that the husband of the Missionholder was
> >explaining him contents from Scientology books.
> >
> >I can't resist fresh food so I headed towards these trails with Rep.
> >Curt Oda following me. He is very accessible and it seems that he feels
> >at home in that Mission. I exchanged some words with the
> >Scientologists, staff, their chaplain, and public and some others,
> >looked in each room and also the closets. (To make sure that rumors
> >come up: I found nobody in it but clothes.)
>
> I'm taking "rubbing shoulders" literally as meaning 'mixing and
> socializing' by "exchanging words", as you say, with staff or maybe
> even notables like Mayor Rocky and Rep. Curt Oda.
If you think I am like a paparazzi and force myself onto people in
party's like the Mayor or the Rep., you are mistaken. I did exchange
some words with the Rep., and I don't see why you have to know those
private words. They were not of any special sigificance but friendly.
The Mayor joined the missionholder husband right from the start of the
event and was listening to his explanations. It was packed, that's
where the shoulder rubbing comes from. I heard much of their
conversation but did not interrupt. I however corresponded with same
Mayor a few years ago.
>If you did chat with
> Salt Lake luminaries could you fill in the blanks of what was said
> between, let's say, you and the Mayor? Or Rep. Curt Oda? I'll even
> take quotes from the Mission holder or public/staff Scientologist's.
> I'm asking for specific quotes on questions and/or originations put
> forward by you and how those originations and/or questions were
> received by pooh-bah's such as the Mayor.
Why don't you address the mission for a copy of the speeches that were
delivered?
>I have to assume from your
> report that you weren't hard hitting enough to talk about ear implants
> as the source of wog control or mentioning the dreaded SEGNMPSS as
> being controlling agents of the Church to see what responses might be.
> Out gradient for notables but not for ARS?
Why would I talk about that on the opening event of a Mission? When I
am invited to an event about mindcontrol, I tell all about it.
Moreover, you twist also what I said.
>
> The 'why' of the story was obvious from the start that didn't need
> your input as a reporter, but the 'who' and 'what' was filled in quite
> nicely. You gave visual dimension to your description of events
> conveying the human element of the story. Well done Barbara. Now, how
> about filling in the ___ blanks about what was said between you and
> whomever around the punch bowl festivities."Exchanged some words"
> isn't good enough.
Guess, next time you have to go yourself when you are not happy with
the report.
>Try harder with the specifics of what was said.
> That's the way to complete your report. Did Rocky's hair stand on end
> when you spoke to him? <kidding> If so, what did you say to make that
> happen?
Let me say this: the Mayor and I were not on the same page in the past
about a city administrative handling and we had correspondence about
that. Saturday was the big day of the mission, and I had no right to
interrupt the peaceful event. If that event would have been about
administrative procedures, I would have brought my matter up. If the
Mayor would have stood in a corner and nobody would have talked to him
about SCN, I would have done it but the Missionholder husband was doing
it already.
Do I think that the Mayor recognized me as Barbara Schwarz? Yes, I do.
Did he try to hide when he saw me? No. Did he avoid me? No. However, he
was mainly occupied listening to the explanation of the Missionholder's
husband and asked him numerous questions, and it was a peaceful
philosphical discussion. They were discussing the religious aspect of
Scientology.
>If you were charming, to whomever, what did you say or ask
> that made you charming, and what were the response's from others as
> quotes that should have been in your report? Get what I'm after?
No, I don't get what you are after. What do you really want to know?
How the officials reacted to Scientology or me? I am always myself,
Igi, I am the way I am. And contrary to the reports on ARS, I am
appropriate. I have manners. Yes, I write and speak about the bad that
is hidden behind this world but not in forums and at times where it
does not fit.
The speeches that were delivered were postitive and uplifting and if
you want to know the opinions of the Mayor, the Rep., the NAACP
President, and anybody else there you should make official requests to
get transcripts.
>Lets
> dissect this thing to the bone and not leave anything hanging. Good
> reporters always give quotes from the questions they asked as an
> essential of any story. Lets see yours! Don't bail out on me yet ;-)
> Lets see this through.
I am not a reporter, and I don't want to be any. I am a private
Scientologist, and you better leave it at this. Yes, I know that
international infiltrators are sent in the orgs by German psych secret
services but I would be a Type III, which I am not, when I accuse the
first faces that I see of being infiltrators. The way to find them is
to examine their activities, production or what they not produce or do.
In other words, for me to determine infiltrators, I would have to
become a staffmember again.
Simkatu
I am being defamed here wrote:
> Andrew Robertson wrote:
> > "Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1134275351.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > >> Here are the news. There was a long line outside of the Church of
> > >> Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
> > >> Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
> > >> people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your report Barbara. I appreciate it.
> >
> > And thank you, Simkatu, for your generous comment. Replying to the content
> > of a post rather than reacting instinctively with a preconceived attitude
> > towards the poster is not always typical on this newsgroup.
>
> I did not yet come to the conclusion that Simkatu is not one of my
> "new" thread to thread stalkers and defamers, Andrew. He also did not
> correct his crap about me on Wikipedia.
Barbara-
I can promise you that I am not posting about you or making any
comments to you under any other names besides this one. I know my
saying so is not likely to convince you, but nevertheless it is true.
I have no idea who your new friends are.
Also, even if I were to believed the Wiki article was "crap", I cannot
get rid of your wikipedia article. Wikipedia works on a consensus
basis and if I delete the article it would only be reverted by someone
else.
> > Barbara is a highly intelligent woman with considerable experience and
> > knowledge of the Church of Scientology at a senior level, and there are many
> > things she could contribute to this forum.
>
> I can't argue with that one, Andrew. :)
I agree with him and you as well.
Barbara Schwarz
Simkatu wrote:
> I am being defamed here wrote:
> > Andrew Robertson wrote:
> > > "Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1134275351.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > > >> Here are the news. There was a long line outside of the Church of
> > > >> Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
> > > >> Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
> > > >> people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your report Barbara. I appreciate it.
> > >
> > > And thank you, Simkatu, for your generous comment. Replying to the content
> > > of a post rather than reacting instinctively with a preconceived attitude
> > > towards the poster is not always typical on this newsgroup.
> >
> > I did not yet come to the conclusion that Simkatu is not one of my
> > "new" thread to thread stalkers and defamers, Andrew. He also did not
> > correct his crap about me on Wikipedia.
>
> Barbara-
>
> I can promise you that I am not posting about you or making any
> comments to you under any other names besides this one. I know my
> saying so is not likely to convince you, but nevertheless it is true.
> I have no idea who your new friends are.
You are right on one point. You don't convince me.
>
> Also, even if I were to believed the Wiki article was "crap", I cannot
> get rid of your wikipedia article. Wikipedia works on a consensus
> basis and if I delete the article it would only be reverted by someone
> else.
You didn't even try. Tilman and you were the most fanatical writers of
that article that portays me deliberately in a wongful way.
> > > Barbara is a highly intelligent woman with considerable experience and
> > > knowledge of the Church of Scientology at a senior level, and there are many
> > > things she could contribute to this forum.
> >
> > I can't argue with that one, Andrew. :)
>
> I agree with him and you as well.
Really, what happened to you suddenly? You posted awful stuff about me.
And what about your despicable websites about Patrick Michael Sullivan,
Marty Rathbun and me? Some were canceled for TOS violation but others
are still up, aren't they?
The stuff that you put on the web about Patrick is what Robert Griffin
wrote about him, and he never provided any evidence that his claims are
true. Somebody who worked in the Canadian correction system posted that
Canada has no such inmate numbers. But you don't care, you just web
that stuff without that you make sure that you have the info right.
I just can't buy your sudden boy scout image, Simkatu. You are high on
the suspect list of some of my latest harassers and defamers. All you
have to do is to open a new e-mail address, get a proxy and attack me
all the way as you attacked me with your Simkatu/Vivaldi and perhaps
other IDs.
Nathan Motalio
> Nathan Motalio wrote:
>
>>Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can't resist fresh food
>>
>>How much do you weigh, lardass?
>
>
> Lol. Fresh food makes so fat. The nutrionists say it all the time, stay
> away from the fruits, they make you obese.
No, they don't. Nutritionists say to make servings of fruit a daily part
of your diet, you insane shitbag.
Nathan Motalio
> John Dorsay wrote:
>
>>Nathan Motalio wrote:
>>
>>>Simkatu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Here are the news. There was a long line outside of the Church of
>>>>>Scientology Mission of Salt Lake City when I arrived at approx. 1 pm on
>>>>>Saturday, December 10, 2005. You usually just see these long lines when
>>>>>people wait for a free Turkey on Thanksgiving.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your report Barbara. I appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You also see these long lines when thousand of lemmings cast themselves
>>>over the edge of a cliff.
>>
>>Your point is?
>>
>>http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm
>>
>>John
>
>
> That "suicidal behavior" of the Lemmings could have something to do
> with environmental pollution.
Yes, they probably got crowded out of their living space by the reams of
paperwork wasted by your stupid, useless, failed legal filings, you
litigious twat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Schwarz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Schwarz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Schwarz
realpch
Naw, they're not him. Barbara, you just aren't very good at spotting the
differences between posters. Sometimes as I'm clicking through the
articles here, I'm not paying too much attention to who wrote them, and
I start reading and say to myself, "Oh, that's so-and-so." And it always
is so-and-so. You get to recognize people's styles.
There's a couple of reasons I've never been interested in posting under
other names:
1. I'm too lazy.
2. I always sound like myself and would be immediately recognizable.
Peach
Simkatu
Nathan-
Barbara was being facetious. She also appears to be wittier than you
and has a better sense of humor. Perhaps you can learn something
from her?
Take care,
Simkatu
Nathan Motalio
I did. See my apology to her earlier this evening.
blackdove
I am being defamed here wrote:
I'm sorry. Village. You'll have to forgive me for not keeping track.
-blackdove
barb
...and unless Barbara just completed a "lucid English in a week" course,
that's not her, either.
realpch
I think this line is: "You didn't even try. Tilman and you were the most
fanatical writers of
that article that portays me deliberately in a wongful way."
And this: "Canada has no such inmate numbers. But you don't care, you
just web that stuff without that you make sure that you have the info right."
I see the English style moves around a lot in Barbara's posts. But I
have noticed that Barbara is really good at picking up phrases that she
reads here and incorporating them into her own posts.
Peach
barb
Aha...
Barbara Schwarz
Thanks for the invalidation. I remember you mixed a false Kevin up with
another one too.
>
> There's a couple of reasons I've never been interested in posting under
> other names:
> 1. I'm too lazy.
> 2. I always sound like myself and would be immediately recognizable.
>
> Peach
Alright, I never accused you of being another poster. As you say you
are so much better in finding out who posters are, why don't you tell
me whose sock puppet Plethora, Hepatitis (or similar is who posts just
like Plethora) or the Dr. Postman Avatar defamer is. Last one is really
easy. :)
Barbara Schwarz
Snow Dog wrote:
> against both you and I, Barbara.
Correct.
> And I doubt the leopard has changed
> its spots. I haven't looked, but I still believe his hatred and
> harassment sites of us both are still up on the web and they can be
> viewed via web based proxies. So, I am not sure what's going on with
> Simkatu. Maybe he's found the right combination of psychiatric meds and
> he is now in his happy place?
As drugs are dangerous I write that happy place in quotes "happy
place".
>But whatever's going on with him, I
> wouldn't trust the guy, period. His latest flip-flop from being mean to
> being nice and polite just shows a man who is mentally imbalanced.
>
> Who can forget Simkatu's conspiring with the rest of the "ARS GANG
> MEMBERS" in that Wikipedia article re. yourself, or his BS/PMS sites,
> or his Tripod and Geocities sites and his everything2.com site? If
> Simkatu wants to come clean, he can at least delete his hatred and
> harassment sites of us both.
He is right, Simkatu. You have to do a better effort to make Patrick
and me believe that you changed and are not one of the new identities
who follow us around and defame us.
>
> Enough creeps from Usenet, including ROBERT GRIFFIN, have done enough
> damage to us both via the written word that will last a lifetime. But
> you know, according to people like Griffin and Simkatu, we are just
> "bums" and "insane" people who cannot afford bus fare. so I guess to
> those two creeps and dirtbags, people who are poor and insane are fair
> game?
>
Simkatu can't be rich as he has no own computer. Oh, I forgot I "mixed"
him up with Marty Sharp. ;) He is the one who has no own computer.
> Quite honestly, I wish creeps like Simkatu would just dare drop by my
> home one day and attempt to repeat to my face the garbage they have
> spewed about you and me on the WWW and on Usenet. I wonder how Simkatu
> would feel if his real name and address and his place of work were
> posted on Usenet with a host of defamation attached to them and we then
> began to 'suck up' to him a few months later, like he is doing to you
> now, after all that hatred was said and done? Do you think Simkatu
> would be very receptive to us? I doubt it. He'd probably want to take a
> good swing at us both. Hey, believe me, I know how that feels. Visit me
> sometime, stalkers...
Most people who post with other IDs are cowards. Simkatu never revealed
his real name.
Anyway, Simkatu, it boils down to that what you did to Patrick and me
but also Marty Rathbun and the Phillips couple keeps hanging in the
air. Just put yourself in our shoes. After all you did we have to
suspect you doing the same thing to us just under other identities and
with a proxy.
I like the idea of people changing but with you, Sim, it is really hard
to imagine.
Barbara Schwarz
My desperate defamers fabricate that my English is bad. And when I
post, and that English is too good for them, they lie that's not my
posting. How disturbed. They always lying to themselves.
Barbara Schwarz
That is funny. I doubt very much that I adopt phrases from postings of
anti-religious extremists, Peach. But I read English books.
I am being defamed here
Barb, if I would adopt your phrases, I would post like a drunk, and I
sure don't.
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
<snip>
> > Naw, they're not him. Barbara, you just aren't very good at spotting the
> > differences between posters.
> >Sometimes as I'm clicking through the
> > articles here, I'm not paying too much attention to who wrote them, and
> > I start reading and say to myself, "Oh, that's so-and-so." And it always
> > is so-and-so. You get to recognize people's styles.
>
> Thanks for the invalidation. I remember you mixed a false Kevin up with
> another one too.
You are welcome!
I so seldom get to deliver a really good invalidation, I'm glad when
someone is appreciative.
> > There's a couple of reasons I've never been interested in posting under
> > other names:
> > 1. I'm too lazy.
> > 2. I always sound like myself and would be immediately recognizable.
> >
> > Peach
>
> Alright, I never accused you of being another poster. As you say you
> are so much better in finding out who posters are, why don't you tell
> me whose sock puppet Plethora, Hepatitis (or similar is who posts just
> like Plethora) or the Dr. Postman Avatar defamer is. Last one is really
> easy. :)
>
> Barbara Schwarz
I never thought you did. I was simply discussing why *I* don't do it. I
don't know who those guys are. I read a couple of their posts and then
haven't been paying too much attention to them. However I have been
paying attention to Simkatu.
Peach
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
<snip>
> > fanatical writers of
> > that article that portays me deliberately in a wongful way."
> >
> > And this: "Canada has no such inmate numbers. But you don't care, you
> > just web that stuff without that you make sure that you have the info right."
> >
> > I see the English style moves around a lot in Barbara's posts. But I
> > have noticed that Barbara is really good at picking up phrases that she
> > reads here and incorporating them into her own posts.
> >
> >
> > Peach
>
> That is funny. I doubt very much that I adopt phrases from postings of
> anti-religious extremists, Peach. But I read English books.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Boy, you're just spoiling for a fight today, aren't you? I hand you a
compliment, and look what you do with it.
Peach
I am being defamed here
I am in a good mood, Peach, and no intention to wrestle around with
you. Also, I am a girl and no boy.
I posted that your posting was funny. You know me long enough to know
that I don't think highly of the large majority of ARS posters, and you
claiming that I pick up their phrases and are incorporating them in my
postings amuses me because so absurd. The English of many of the
posters is not good either. As a Scientologist, I apply study tech and
go to the source of where I get good information, grammar books or
websites for example.
I read English books, Peach, grammar books, software books, other
non-fiction, novels, you name it. That's where I learn.
ARS posters are not my opinion leaders. But I am not mad about your
posting just amused.
realpch
>
> you. Also, I am a girl and no boy.
>
> I posted that your posting was funny. You know me long enough to know
> that I don't think highly of the large majority of ARS posters, and you
> claiming that I pick up their phrases and are incorporating them in my
> postings amuses me because so absurd. The English of many of the
> posters is not good either. As a Scientologist, I apply study tech and
> go to the source of where I get good information, grammar books or
> websites for example.
>
> I read English books, Peach, grammar books, software books, other
> non-fiction, novels, you name it. That's where I learn.
>
> ARS posters are not my opinion leaders. But I am not mad about your
> posting just amused.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Ah, but it's not absurd, unless you think that you mind has a little
mechanism which tells it, "You may pick up English slang and phrases
from anywhere in the universe except for ARS!"
I myself alluded to an unfortunate phrase this past week which I picked
up from reading Fred Rice's posts. Language is contagious.
Peach
I am being defamed here
Please Peach, let it go. I carefully avoid to pick up anything from ARS
posters. I don't think it is wise to pick up something from Fred Rice
except a wave of good bye.
Barbara Schwarz
Simkatu
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > Who can forget Simkatu's conspiring with the rest of the "ARS GANG
> > MEMBERS" in that Wikipedia article re. yourself, or his BS/PMS sites,
> > or his Tripod and Geocities sites and his everything2.com site? If
> > Simkatu wants to come clean, he can at least delete his hatred and
> > harassment sites of us both.
#1) I still think PMS is a low-life dirtbag. I do not accuse him of
being insane. I accuse him of being a criminal and a stalker. He
admitted to being a criminal and he admitted to spending time in
Oakalla prison and I know he is a stalker from his own admitted
behaviour.
#2) My webpage about you, Barbara, only lists court cases you have
filed. These are public court documents and I make no comment about
them, I only provide the information that the courts provided to me.
It is not defamation to provide links to court documents.
#3) I have decided to stop flaming you in public regarding your
"state-of-mind". I believe your state of mind is in large part a
result of your Scientology training and in part biological. I think
you are only partially responsible for how your mind works. So
therefore I do not intend to engage you in any more flame wars. I
don't think it is a productive use of your time or my time.
> He is right, Simkatu. You have to do a better effort to make Patrick
> and me believe that you changed and are not one of the new identities
> who follow us around and defame us.
As I alluded to previously, that would be a next-to-impossible task.
I'm not going to waste my time or your time by trying to convince you
that I am not somebody else.
> > Enough creeps from Usenet, including ROBERT GRIFFIN, have done enough
> > damage to us both via the written word that will last a lifetime. But
> > you know, according to people like Griffin and Simkatu, we are just
> > "bums" and "insane" people who cannot afford bus fare. so I guess to
> > those two creeps and dirtbags, people who are poor and insane are fair
> > game?
I hold Patrick fully responsible for his behaviour. I'm not going to
do anything to him except hold him accountable for the harm he has
caused other people by his own actions.
I don't believe Barbara is fully responsible for her behaviour. The
Church of Scientology is largely to blame for what she does now. So
in the future I will refrain from engaging Ms. Schwarz in any
protracted flame wars about her mental condition. It will free up more
time for both of us to do productive things.
Barbara did a good job wearing the reporter's hat recently and I'd like
to see her spend more time writing things like that rather than wasting
her time constantly fighting with people on ARS about things that will
never be settled in this forum.
> Simkatu can't be rich as he has no own computer. Oh, I forgot I "mixed"
> him up with Marty Sharp. ;) He is the one who has no own computer.
I'm not going to argue with you about my identity anymore. There is
plenty of information available that demonstrates that I am not he, and
you and Patrick both have the tools and knowledge to prove that I am
not Mr. Sharp.
> > Quite honestly, I wish creeps like Simkatu would just dare drop by my
> > home one day and attempt to repeat to my face the garbage they have
> > spewed about you and me on the WWW and on Usenet.
The only reason you are baiting me to show up at your house is so you
can accuse me of stalking you and perhaps have me arrested when I get
there.
You and I both know that when it comes down to it Patrick, you are a
gutless, spineless, worm that would run away in fear and shame if I
ever were to make an appearance.
Remember the last time you tried to get someone to show up in Nainamo
for a fight? You remember how you called the cops on him when he
actually showed up?
I remember, Patrick. You gutless worm.
> I wonder how Simkatu
> > would feel if his real name and address and his place of work were
> > posted on Usenet with a host of defamation attached to them and we then
> > began to 'suck up' to him a few months later, like he is doing to you
> > now, after all that hatred was said and done?
We both know that Patrick wouldn't hesitate for one second to publish
that information if he had it. He and you have already attempted to
do so. So he is a usenet stalker.
But it's okay when Patrick is the one doing the stalking, right?
> Do you think Simkatu
> > would be very receptive to us? I doubt it. He'd probably want to take a
> > good swing at us both. Hey, believe me, I know how that feels. Visit me
> > sometime, stalkers...
What would you do to me if I showed up at your house Patrick?
> Most people who post with other IDs are cowards. Simkatu never revealed
> his real name.
I didn't post with my real ID because I don't want my family and
friends attacked by a criminal cult. I've weighed the benefits of
being "out" and decided against it. If that makes me a coward that I
would protect my family thusly, then so be it.
> Anyway, Simkatu, it boils down to that what you did to Patrick and me
> but also Marty Rathbun and the Phillips couple keeps hanging in the
> air. Just put yourself in our shoes. After all you did we have to
> suspect you doing the same thing to us just under other identities and
> with a proxy.
I didn't do anything to Marty Rathbun or the Phillips. It is folly to
suggest otherwise.
> I like the idea of people changing but with you, Sim, it is really hard
> to imagine.
That's okay. You don''t have to imagine it.
Barbara Schwarz
> Simkatu! Are you a coward? Post your real name. Let's see if you can
> take it. Let's see if you are really big enough and brave enough to
> post your real name and let people who you have talked about take issue
> with you.
>
> Can you stand behind your own words?
He is very afraid that anybody finds out his real ID, and I still think
he is Marty Sharp.
>
> Can you stand behind your sexual harassment of Barbara Schwarz and your
> sickening comments directed at her re. "DILDOS" and other garbage?
>
> Wassamadder, Anus Simkatu? Are you afraid? Are you afraid that your
> friends and family might read your name on Usenet and how you foist
> your hatred and harassment off onto other people, you wimp? What about
> that new girl friend you are searching for, you lonely, sad, emotional
> little puppy? Do you think she would feel OK seeing what you wrote re.
> your sexual harassment of Barbara Schwarz? What about you parents and
> your siblings or relatives, or coworkers at the University of Kansas?
> How would they view your piggish behavior on Usenet?
>
> Come on out from your RAT HOLE, Simkatu. Quit hiding like SADDAM
> HUSSEIN did before he was caught and exposed...
>
> BTW, for any who wants to provide information re. this creep who calls
> himself "Simkatu", please email me at psllvn2004 @ gmail.com. You are,
> as always, 100% anonymous.
Patrick sticks to his words, and I am absolutely convinced that Patrick
will keep his promise to not reveal his sources.
>
> MERRY CHRISTMAS, Simkatu! This is my Christmas gift to you! Because
> Barbara and I have to go into the new year knowing what you did to us
> both. So may it all be returned to you IN SPADES. Enjoy!
It is very clear, if somebody attacks, stalks, defames, harasses and
forges people like Simkatu/Vivaldi did, the hurt in his victims does
not just evaporate, and that is why Simkatu's idea of that everything
if forgotten and forgiven doesn't work out.
The best advice that I can give posters is to post fair right from the
start and not do what Simkatu did and propably continues to do with
other sock puppets and proxies.
Barbara Schwarz
--
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
More about Dave Touretzky:
http://urlsnip.com/254524
http://urlsnip.com/402460
Other interesting websites:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
http://www.alarmgermany.org/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
http://www.cchr.org
http://www.MindFreedom.ORG/
http://www.datafilter.com/mc
http://www.freespeechstore.com
Snow Dog wrote:
> He is a massive coward, absolutely a MASSIVE coward. And mark my words,
> the day his real name and other contact information is published on
> this newsgroup he will go nuts and freak right out. And tough luck for
> him.
>
> This piece of garbage, Simkatu, has stated in the past that I had
> brought shame to my family. I didn't do that. My family loves me a lot.
> It was cowards like ROBERT GRIFFIN and Simaktu that did that by posting
> outright lies and other garbage about myself and they did the same to
> other people. I have good family and friends. I am not a bum and I can
> more than afford "bus fare" etc.. And I have a career and a future.
> But filth like Simkatu and Griffin have tried to steal these things
> away from myself and others. Time to return their misery to them.
>
> I challenge Simkatu to publish his real name and address on the NG like
> he has done to others, including me and you.
>
> Simkatu! Are you a coward? Post your real name! Let's see if you can
> take it. Let's see if you are really big enough and brave enough to
> post your real name and let people who you have talked about take issue
> with you. Can you stand behind your own words? Can you stand behind
> your sexual harassment of Barbara Schwarz and your sickening comments
> directed at her re. "DILDOS" and other garbage? Wassamadder, Anus
> Simkatu? Are you afraid? Are you afraid that your friends and family
> might read your name on Usenet and how you foist your hatred and
> harassment off onto other people, you wimp?
>
> Come on out from your RAT HOLE, Simkatu. Quit hiding like SADDAM
> HUSSEIN did before he was caught and exposed...
Simkatu
> Can you stand behind
> your sexual harassment of Barbara Schwarz and your sickening comments
> directed at her re. "DILDOS" and other garbage?
> > http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
This page above, that belongs to Barbara Schwarz, contains pictures of
dildos and tells a story about dildos. This page above, that belongs
to Barbara Schwarz, does not have a filter to prevent young children
from having their innocence taken away by Barbara's fanciful stories
about dildos.
So, yes, I can stand behind my statements that I think Barbara should
remove her dildo pages from the internet. I will not argue this topic
anymore, since it is clear that Barbara is going to keep allowing
children to see her dildos.
If you want to ask me nicely again in a few weeks why I object to
Barbara's dildo page, I might remind you again.
Take care Patrick.
Barbara-
I would like you to notice that Mr. Sullivan is bull-baiting me in
order to get me angry and to repost more of the same old stuff that we
have already rehashed. Like I said, I do not hate you. I wish only
the best for you.
Patrick would like me to start calling you nasty names and demeaning
your state-of-mind again, but I am not going to do it anymore. I don't
think you deserve it, nor do I think it productive use of my time or
your time. I feel sorry that you spend all your days rehashing the
same old tired arguments here, when you could be writing new stories
and new reports about Scientology (like your recent report from SLC new
mission!) that would be far more productive for you and everyone else.
I do not wish to discuss your dildos anymore and I promise I won't
initiate another discussion of your dildos, so unless you or Patrick
brings them up again, I am through mentioning your affinity for the
dildo pictures. I think we are all tired of discussing your dildos,
aren't you tired of it too?
I know I'm not going to come between you and Patrick, but you should at
least understand that what Patrick is doing here, by bull-baiting me,
is not in your best interest. Do you know why Patrick is doing things
that are not in your best interest?
--
Simkatu
I am being defamed here
Simkatu wrote:
> Snow Dog wrote:
>
> > Can you stand behind
> > your sexual harassment of Barbara Schwarz and your sickening comments
> > directed at her re. "DILDOS" and other garbage?
>
> > > http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
>
> This page above, that belongs to Barbara Schwarz, contains pictures of
> dildos and tells a story about dildos. This page above, that belongs
> to Barbara Schwarz, does not have a filter to prevent young children
> from having their innocence taken away by Barbara's fanciful stories
> about dildos.
Defamation. My website contains the truth. My website is addressed to
parents and not to students, however, Dave Toruetzky orders his porn
stuff from the university with kids around.
>
> So, yes, I can stand behind my statements that I think Barbara should
> remove her dildo pages from the internet. I will not argue this topic
> anymore, since it is clear that Barbara is going to keep allowing
> children to see her dildos.
You posted so many sexual harassing postings on the net, Simkatu while
you stalked me and Patrick. You put no filter on these postings either.
You allowed children to read your offensive and vulgar postings.
>
> If you want to ask me nicely again in a few weeks why I object to
> Barbara's dildo page, I might remind you again.
>
> Take care Patrick.
>
> Barbara-
>
> I would like you to notice that Mr. Sullivan is bull-baiting me in
> order to get me angry and to repost more of the same old stuff that we
> have already rehashed. Like I said, I do not hate you. I wish only
> the best for you.
You hurt Patrick, and he does not bull-bait you. You did that for many
months with him and me. I think you got in troubles with the university
and that is the only reason why want Patrick, I and other believe that
you changed.
>
> Patrick would like me to start calling you nasty names and demeaning
> your state-of-mind again, but I am not going to do it anymore. I don't
> think you deserve it, nor do I think it productive use of my time or
> your time. I feel sorry that you spend all your days rehashing the
> same old tired arguments here, when you could be writing new stories
> and new reports about Scientology (like your recent report from SLC new
> mission!) that would be far more productive for you and everyone else.
>
>
> I do not wish to discuss your dildos anymore and I promise I won't
> initiate another discussion of your dildos, so unless you or Patrick
> brings them up again, I am through mentioning your affinity for the
> dildo pictures. I think we are all tired of discussing your dildos,
> aren't you tired of it too?
You know very well that these are not my dildos but these Dave
Touretzky's. Before I got the porn letter with his invoice inside I
didn't even know what those were.
> I know I'm not going to come between you and Patrick, but you should at
> least understand that what Patrick is doing here, by bull-baiting me,
> is not in your best interest. Do you know why Patrick is doing things
> that are not in your best interest?
You can leave judging characters up to me, Simkatu. Patrick is a much
better person than you are.
Barbara Schwarz
Snow Dog wrote:
> Anus Simkatu wrote:
>
> > I know I'm not going to come between you and Patrick, but you should at
> > least understand that what Patrick is doing here, by bull-baiting me,
> > is not in your best interest. Do you know why Patrick is doing things
> > that are not in your best interest?
>
> through your crap right away. And she can see through the crap you
> posted above. You are TRASH, Simkatu. Just manipulative TRASH.
>
> How are things going at the UNIVERSITY of KANSAS, you walking, talk
> piece of human trash?
>
> > --
> > [Anus] Simkatu
>
> Merry Christmas, Anus! Thanks for posting my name, address and
> telephone number, with a whole host of lies attached and screwing up my
> reputation. The favor will be returned.
I don't fall for Simkatu's tricks, Patrick. My experiences with him as
just as bad as yours, why would I believe him suddenly? I would be a
fool if I would trust a snake.
Dave Bird
Barbara Schwarz <barbara...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I can't resist fresh food
>>
>> How much do you weigh, lardass?
>
>Lol. Fresh food makes so fat. The nutrionists say it all the time, stay
>away from the fruits,
my advice for readers of this group is stay away from the nuts,
including
>Barbara Schwarz
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