NEWS: Asylum Scam - the Stern article
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The Big Bluff
In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
proves: it was a fraud.
Hamburg, Germany
June 29, 2000
Stern magazine
First the retirees flocked to Clearwater. Then the
Scientologists. Since then the sunny, small city in Florida,
situated on the warm-watered Gulf of Mexico, has become
one of the most bizarre places in America.
Young people in uniform stream busily through the once
sleepy downtown, security guard patrol with video cameras
and earsets, surveillance cameras probe the
Scientology-owned buildings and the streets around them.
About 5,000 adherents of the "Church of Scientology,"
judged to be a profit-oriented corporation in Germany, live
here; daily, according to sect statements, up to 2,000 more
come from all over the world daily to obtain costly courses
in the Mecca of the "Thetans." "Here," said the German
Scientologist Antje Victore defiantly, "I can live like any
other person."
She said she could not do that in her homeland. The
45-year-old woman, who has earned her money by being,
among other things, a jockey, is the first and, so far, the
only German to enjoy political asylum in the United States.
In 1997, her case raised eyebrows around the world and
hampered German-American relations.
Shortly before the New York Times distributed the news
about the Victore affair, Federal Minister Klaus Kinkel was
still being blamed by Washington for alleged discrimination
against Scientologists in Germany. The Kohl administration
was completely astonished. "We implore you to put an end
to the shameful, organized persecution," wrote 34
American celebrities - among them Dustin Hoffman, Goldie
Hawn and producer Oliver Stone - in an open letter to the
CDU Chancellor.
The Scientologist woman was said to have submitted
"thousands of documents" to the immigration officials at the
time which supposedly proved that she had been
persecuted in Germany. They included "newspaper articles
and official forms which asked for religious affiliation," said
Victore over the telephone; she was not ready to meet for
an interview. Today she works for a car rental agency.
"Stern" research now shows that the spectacular
Scientology asylum case was staged. No trace of "religious
persecution." The lady simply had money problems, as her
letters show. "On April 1, I need - and it has to be certified
received in cash in Berlin - DM 13,100.51. Please tell me
what is wrong now and whether you will eventually know
who could invest (settle) the tax amounts for me," she faxed
on March 23, 1996 to a [Scientology] member. Six months
later she wrote to her female friend Dagmar H. (full name is
known to the editors), who was a Scientologist of the
highest trained rank at the time, an "Operating Thetan 8":
"Today I received a forfeiture notice from the Schoenberg
Revenue Office. The thing with the taxes is slowly getting
very hot. I don't know any more. Please help me Dagmar.
What should I do?"
Victore clung to the hope that she would still come up with
the money for her tax debts. She took part in capital
investment companies with nice-sounding names that
promised fabulous returns, like Jackson Services and
Lincoln Limited. What she didn't know yet: she was dealing
with a fraudulent business to which she had been referred
by Swiss Scientologist Erwin Dossenbach. She faxed him
repeatedly, demanding and pleading for her money back.
She was repeatedly consoled. The Swiss district attorney
has been investigating Dossenbach since the mid 1990s and
accused him of investment fraud. The amount of damage in
the dubious deals with lively Scientology participation: a
total of about ten million franks.
That also included the money on which Antje was waiting
in vain. Her tax debts in Germany bore down on her more
and more from month to month and her U.S. visa,
extended multiple times, was running out soon. In letters to
Dagmar H., Victore began to talk more about her asylum
application. She said she needed "urgently all available
entheta articles from this year." By that she meant press
reports which discussed Scientology in a critical manner
and in which the organization was accused of having
totalitarian strategies. "Whatever you can find, Dagmar. I
am supposed to provide more 'proof' that is is really so bad
in Germany. You've told me before that you could deliver
enough 'stuff' to me," she implored her friend.
The stuff was delivered - by the Scientology intelligence
agency, OSA, in the German center of the
psycho-corporation in Hamburg. But that was not enough
to convince Immigration Judge Rex J. Ford in Tampa,
Florida. Her first application was refused in Summer 1996.
"Solely and alone, what the government does is decisive.
Only those sort of things are useful. Unfortunately I have
too little of that, namely only an interview with Bluem in
Spiegel," she complained. I don't want to land in prison like
Karl-Erich. But that is exactly what is going to happen if I
can't pay!"
Karl-Erich is a member of Scientology who was convicted
by the state attorney's office for tax evasion. Antje Victore
had built up an advertising company with in Schwaan, near
Rostock, in the beginning of the 1990s. When the law
caught up with him and his partner, Victore took over
management of the company, but could not pay income,
business or sales tax for 1993: exactly the 13,100.51
marks which she later was asking other Scientologists for.
"OSA also had a very real interest in getting Antje's
application for asylum approved so she could stay in the
States," said Jens Billerbeck, who was in close contact with
Victore at the time, but has since then left Scientology.
"They were trying to prevent her from appearing as a
witness in the trial against her former company chief." The
boss, at the time, of the international Scientology
intelligence service, Kurt Weiland, was concerned that she
could spill delicate details about the psycho-business and
also about the German Scientology Center. "Antje knew a
lot."
All the more forcefully Weiland effected the "handling" of
the problem. Billerbeck: "Antje proudly reported to me that
Weiland and an OSA attorney worked on the method of
procedure personally in her asylum proceedings." The
strategy to convince the Immigration Judge, was as tricky
as it was effective: German Scientologist who have a
business, authored letters to Antje Victore in which it was
pretended that she had put in for a position with them. With
"deep regret" they rejected Victore because of her
membership in Scientology.
"Since the attacks of the press are also directed against
companies which employ Scientologists, it is anticipated
that the revelation of this membership in a religion would be
disadvantageous to a company," was in that letter. Other
"rejections" were similarly founded. The "restrictive politics"
of the state governments in Munich and Berlin were
repeatedly, whereby it was said that Scientologists were
not allowed to work in public institutions and were
excluded from all agreements and contracts. "Under these
conditions I cannot employ you; I would risk discrimination
and business loss," wrote one of the businesswomen.
The company chiefs glibly kept quiet about their
membership in Scientology. They were to let on to the U.S.
immigration judge only that "in Germany many
Scientologists are unemployed, and that it was very difficult
for practicing Scientologists in Germany to lead a normal
life." In her telephone discussion with the "Stern," Victore
dodged the question about these letters: she said it was
absolutely insignificant whether the letters were personally
directed to her - for the application for asylum the proof of
general persecution was decisive, "it was not about me."
Jens Billerbeck and Dagmar H., who have left the
[Scientology] organization since then, have verified for
"Stern" magazine in sworn testimony that they were asked
for such letters by Antje Victore and, as a favor to a fellow
Scientologist, they wrote and sent her the letters. Actually,
Victore had never put in an application with them. On
October 10, 1996, Victore faxed Billerbeck several such
letters which he was supposed to use as a model. She
would be super happy if he would be able to write her the
letter in English, she told him. She put the word "letter" in
quotation marks. "Stern" magazine has a copy of five such
faked company letters.
The deceptive bluff was a success. When the "asylum case"
was won the end of February 1997, Victore sent
Billerbeck a letter of praise typical for Scientology, of
which "Stern" has a copy: It said that "for the first time in
history" a German citizen had obtained political asylum in
the USA. Billerbeck: "On the telephone she explicitly asked
me not to tell anyone about the asylum decision. The
decision in court was to be published by Scientology itself
at an opportune moment. This was the express wish of
OSA." The sensation was printed in the New York Times
in early November. The woman was said to have "clearly
and convincingly" demonstrated that her fear of persecution
on account of her belief had been founded, announced
Weiland.
When Federal President Johannes Rau was in Washington
recently, he had to defend himself anew from harsh
criticism: the U.S. Trade Representative Charlene
Barshevsky accused Germany of discriminating against the
award of public contracts to companies who did not want
to sign a "sect filter" statement in which they distanced
themselves from the organization.
As if that were one of the "pieces of evidence" in the
Victore asylum case.
Christine Kruttschnitt
Rainer Nuebel
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repeatedly mentioned, whereby
> not allowed to work in public institutions and were
> excluded from all agreements and contracts. "Under these
> conditions I cannot employ you; I would risk discrimination
> and business loss," wrote one of the businesswomen.
>
> The company chiefs glibly kept quiet about their
> membership in Scientology. They were to let on to the U.S.
> immigration judge only that "in Germany many
> Scientologists are unemployed, and that it was very difficult
> for practicing Scientologists in Germany to lead a normal
> life." In her telephone discussion with the "Stern," Victore
> dodged the question about these letters: she said it was
> absolutely insignificant whether the letters were personally
> directed to her - for the application for asylum the proof of
> general persecution was decisive, "it was not about me."
>
> Jens Billerbeck and Dagmar H., who have left the
> [Scientology] organization since then, have verified for
> "Stern" magazine in sworn testimony that they were asked
> for such letters by Antje Victore and, as a favor to a fellow
> Scientologist, they wrote and sent her the letters. Actually,
> Victore had never put in an application with them. On
> October 10, 1996, Victore faxed Billerbeck several such
> letters which he was supposed to use as a model. She
> would be super happy if he would be able to write her the
> letter in English, she told him.
I can't imagine a judge reading a letter from one German to another German
- in English - and not thinking that there was something fishy was going
on. Oh well, he had his "thousands of documents" of proof. I doubt if he
read every single one.
Joe Cisar: http://cisar.org/rfs0100.htm
Award site: http://alt-charlemagne-award.de
Why would Gottfried Helnwein, one of the world's leading Scientologists,
lie? See http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News/has00.htm
Beverly Rice
> German_Scn_News <german_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >The Big Bluff
> >
> >In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
> >asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
> >proves: it was a fraud.
> [...]
>
> On the telephone she explicitly asked me not to tell anyone about the
> asylum decision. The decision in court was to be published by
> Scientology itself at an opportune moment. This was the express wish of
> OSA." The sensation was printed in the New York Times in early
> November. The woman was said to have "clearly and convincingly"
> demonstrated that her fear of persecution on account of her belief had
> been founded, announced Weiland.
> [...]
>
> And here's how the thriving cult of greed and power defrauded the U.S.
> Congress. It started with the article placed in the NY Times to coincide
> with Congressional Hearings:
The Co$ ~IS~ all about lies, deception and fraud.
To defraud congresscritters is a piece of cake for Co$.
Don't forget, congresscritters love publicity and celebrities.
Co$ gave them both.
Beverly
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> New York Times
> November 8, 1997
> U.S. Immigration Court Grants Asylum to German Scientologist
>
> By DOUGLAS FRANTZ
> TAMPA, Fla. -- A federal immigration court judge has granted asylum to a
> German member of the Church of Scientology who claimed that she would be
> subjected to religious persecution had she been required to return to her
> homeland, the woman's lawyer and a Scientology official said Friday.
>
> While few details of the case were available, it is believed to be the
> first time the United States has given asylum protection to a
> Scientologist. The Church of Scientology has been waging a
> highly public international campaign against what it considers
> discrimination against its members by the German government.
>
> The asylum case comes as the treatment of Scientologists in Germany
> remains a topic of dispute between Washington and Bonn, which has refused
> to recognize Scientology as a religion.
>
> Officials at the German Embassy in Washington said Friday that they had
> not heard of the asylum decision and would have no reaction until it was
> confirmed.
>
> For the last four years, the State Department has criticized Germany's
> treatment of Scientologists in its annual human rights report. But the
> dry language of the reports did not reach a level that might have been
> expected to justify asylum.
>
> An immigration court judge decided to approve the woman's application to
> remain in this country after a hearing last February. Officials at the
> State Department and the Immigration and Naturalization Service in
> Washington said they were unaware of the case.
>
> John Lund, an immigration lawyer in Tampa who represents the German
> woman, said his client was in the United States legally.
>
> "She voluntarily applied for asylum," Lund said, "and the matter was
> referred to the immigration court by the Immigration and Naturalization
> Service. The court made the decision, based on her individual facts, that
> she should be granted asylum."
>
> Lund said the woman's case was not part of any orchestrated effort by the
> Church of Scientology to publicize its claims of discrimination.
>
> "Our matter was totally outside of any campaign by the church," Lund
> said. "This individual was acting solely on her own."
>
> To protect relatives still in Germany, Lund and Scientology officials
> refused to disclose the woman's name or where she lived.
>
> The asylum process is closed to the public for the protection of asylum
> seekers, said Richard Kenney, a spokesman for the Executive Office for
> Immigration Review, which oversees the immigration courts. Kenney said
> the decision of an immigration judge was final unless the Immigration and
> Naturalization Service appealed.
>
> Kurt Weiland, an official with the Church of Scientology International,
> said a dozen German witnesses testified at the immigration hearing that
> the woman faced severe persecution in her homeland.
>
> "She proved her suffering, the damage she experienced emotionally and
> economically, and how she was ostracized from society, all for no other
> reason than her religion," Weiland said.
>
> German officials consider Scientology an extremist organization dedicated
> to bilking its parishioners of money. The German government has barred
> Scientologists from membership in major political parties and placed the
> organization under surveillance. Some local governments
> have prohibited Scientologists from holding public service jobs.
>
> Church members in Germany also claim that they have been barred from
> other types of jobs, that their businesses have been boycotted and that
> their children have been expelled from public schools.
>
> Under international standards and American law, actions that restrict a
> person's rights to practice his or her religion, including prohibitions
> against membership in political parties or holding government jobs, could
> constitute persecution, said Karen Musalo, a lawyer and director of the
> international human rights project at Santa Clara University in
> California.
>
> "Taken cumulatively," Ms. Musalo said, "these constitute serious forms of
> discrimination against the practitioners of a particular religion for the
> sole reason of their membership in this religion."
>
> Under immigration law, religious persecution is one of five
> justifications for granting asylum to a foreigner in the United States.
> The others are race, nationality, political opinion and membership
> in a particular social group. People who are granted asylum are generally
> allowed to become permanent residents within a year.
>
> In the first eight months of the current fiscal year, immigration judges
> heard 54,276 applications for asylum and granted 4,293 of them.
>
> Kenney said that a decision made by a judge in one case would not be
> binding on applications by people in similar situations. Each request for
> asylum, he said, is judged individually.
>
> A State Department spokesman, James Rubin, said he was unaware of the
> Scientology asylum case. But Rubin said the treatment of Scientologists
> in Germany was discussed on Wednesday by Secretary of State Madeleine
> Albright in a meeting in Washington with Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel of
> Germany.
>
> The Clinton administration has discussed the issue several times with
> German officials. While maintaining that Scientologists should be granted
> religious freedom, Albright herself accused the church of distorting
> history last summer when it compared its treatment to the persecution of
> Jews in Nazi Germany.
>
> In January, 34 show-business celebrities ranging from actors to studio
> heads, signed a $56,000 full-page advertisement in The International
> Herald Tribune scolding Chancellor Helmut Kohl of Germany for his
> government's "shameful pattern of organized persecution" of the Church of
> Scientology.
>
> The German government has maintained that Scientology is not a religion,
> but a profit-making venture. Officials have argued that restricting the
> activities of the church members is necessary to protect against the
> expansion of an extremist group in a nation with acute sensitivities on
> the subject.
>
> Until a landmark reversal in 1993, the U.S. government also refused to
> recognize Scientology as an organized religion. In that year, the
> Internal Revenue Service granted tax-exempt status to the organization.
>
> Congress entered the dispute last week. The House International Relations
> Committee approved a resolution condemning the German government for its
> treatment of Scientologists and members of other minority religions.
>
> The resolution drew a sharp protest from Kinkel, who called the
> accusations of discrimination baseless and argued that Scientology's
> goals in Germany were exclusively economic.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Now let's look at congressional testimony that leverages the lie:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> U.S. House of Representatives
> Debate on HR 22 (1997)
> Congressional Record
> [Page: H10522]
>
> Mr. SALMON. Mr. Speaker, I really respect the folks that have gotten up
> to speak in opposition. I believe that they believe very strongly in
> their position, and we cannot criticize somebody for speaking their
> beliefs. That is what this is all about. But I am flabbergasted at
> those who might suggest that since there is other persecution,
> religious persecution, going on in the world that we should not start
> with this.
> [...]
>
> Yes, they are an ally, and yes we treasure that relationship, but we
> ought to be able to go to them and tell them the things which trouble
> us.
>
> I was talking with the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Ney], and he pointed
> out in the paper this morning that there was a German citizen who was
> just granted asylum in this country because of religious persecution in
> Germany. Yes, that is right, granted asylum in this country because of
> religious persecution in Germany. We have got to do all that we can to
> stop that.
> [...]
>
> Mr. NEY. Mr. Speaker, it is probably pretty good we are coming down to
> the closure, because now we are coming down to the ridiculous, to
> mention that Tom Cruise and John Travolta are setting foreign policy.
> John Travolta and Tom Cruise and Ann Archer and Chick Corea are
> fortunate enough to have a celebrity status that can bring attention to
> the issue of discrimination, not alleged, not taxation, but
> discrimination.
>
> So I am glad that their intent is not to set foreign policy, but they
> have given of their time to set forth a cause that is very, very
> important to those who cannot be on this floor to speak or, to those
> who do not have celebrity status, to be able to be heard, not only
> here, but in Germany.
>
> This is not about taxation. Let me tell you about support, as far as
> people saying this does not have support. Things do not get lightly
> here to the floor. This was not introduced yesterday. This has been
> around. It has support, because Democrats and Republicans have voiced
> that they want this on the floor tonight, Mr. Speaker. They want the
> people of this country and the people around the world to understand
> this issue, Mr. Speaker.
>
> And the fact that now our Government has gone a step further and has
> officially granted asylum, do you know how hard it is to get asylum? Our
> Government stated yesterday, it was in the Washington Post today, that
> asylum has been granted to a German citizen because they dared to be
> something different, of a different religion, than us. That is how far
> this has gone.
>
> Painful words, someone said. It is a shame we are to the point of what
> someone may consider painful words. The reason we have painful words is
> because there have been painful deeds, not something someone has made
> up, but posters that say `no thank you' to a play on the word of
> `sect,' of minority religions.
>
> It goes a little beyond that. Those official sanction posters that have
> a fly swatter to swat at those pesky little minority members of a
> religion. It has gone to the point of not someone saying, let's not
> watch a movie, but of a government that has told citizens of the United
> States that you in fact shall not perform in the country of Germany
> because you are a different religion that we just simply do not like
> that is the type of thing that has occurred.
> [...]
>
> This is about standing up, no matter what you think of another
> religion, for American citizens' rights, and if the Democrat or the
> Republican Party dared, dared, on the registration forms in the United
> States to say, `Are you a Catholic or not?' or, `Are you a Protestant,
> or are you a Muslim, or are you a Jew?' if that dared to happen in this
> country, do you know what type of outcry there would be? On the forms,
> it happens over there about certain religions only: Are you a member or
> not?
>
> It does exist; it is real; we need to stand up.
> [...]
>
> Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from New Jersey for
> yielding me this time.
> [...]
>
> Back in 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt said in the future days
> which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon 4
> essential human freedoms. Those freedoms he listed were freedom of
> speech, of expression, of being free from want, and freedom from fear.
> He also told us of the freedom of every person to worship God in his
> own way everywhere in the world. I mention that because just yesterday,
> if Members read the New York Times, there was an article that said a
> Federal immigration court judge in Tampa, Florida, granted asylum to a
> German citizen who was a member of the Church of Scientology. Her
> asylum claim was based on the fact that she would be subjected to
> religious persecution had she returned to Germany.
>
> Many of my constituents, as I suspect many of your constituents, are
> members of religious minority groups like the Church of Scientology.
> This resolution calls for protecting their rights if and when they
> spend time in Germany. They deserve this protection. German citizens
> themselves who are members of minority religious groups deserve
> religious freedom as well.
>
> As Members cast their vote on House Concurrent Resolution 22, remember
> the words of President Roosevelt listing religious freedom as one of
> the four essential human freedoms. As he said, freedom of every person
> to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world. Today is one of
> those future days that President Roosevelt spoke of. Today we should be
> standing together to say aye to House Concurrent Resolution 22.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> HEARING OF THE HOUSE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE SUBJECT: THE
> TREATMENT OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN WESTERN EUROPE CHAIRED BY:
> REPRESENTATIVE BENJAMIN GILMAN
>
> REP. BENJAMIN GILMAN (R-NY): The committee will come to order. The
> Committee on International Relations meets in open session today to take
> testimony on a topic of the treatment of religious minorities in Western
> Europe.
> [...]
>
> REP. GILMAN: Thank you, Mr. Jensen.
>
> We will now proceed with our final witness, Ms. Catherine Bell, known for
> the television series of JAG. As a former Marine Corps attorney, I'm sure
> you don't hesitate to give us straight testimony today. Thank you for
> being here, Ms. Bell.
>
> MS. BELL: Mr. Chairman, distinguished members of the committee, thank you
> very much for holding today's hearing and for the opportunity to
> testify.
> [...]
>
> On behalf of Ann Archer, I would like to thank you, sir, as committee
> chairman, as well as Congressmen Salmon and Payne, for introducing the
> resolution in the House, and Senator Enzi, the principal sponsor in the
> state.
>
> Our thanks go also to the many members of this committee who have
> co-sponsored the resolution. I trust that after today's hearing, those
> members who have not yet signed on to House Resolution 388 will be
> motivated to do so.
> [...]
>
> Finally, I would like to introduce Ms. Antia Viktor (sp). In 1997 she
> became the first German Scientologist to be granted asylum by a U.S.
> immigration court on the grounds that she faced ruinous religious
> persecution if she had to return to Germany.
>
> I understand that on behalf of all those experiencing discrimination in
> Germany, the members of my religion who are here today wish to present a
> petition to you, Mr. Chairman, asking for the full support of your
> committee behind House Resolution 388.
> [...]
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> PREPARED TESTIMONY OF CRAIG JENSEN CHAIRMAN AND CEO OF EXECUTIVE
> SOFTWARE BEFORE THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
>
> SUBJECT - THE TREATMENT OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN WESTERN EUROPE
> WEDNESDAY, JUNE 14, 2000
>
> [...]
> Employment applications and contracts typically include a "sect filter"
> clause requiting one to explicitly declare that he is not affiliated
> with my religion. And to make sure that government officials can
> identify and thereby actively practice discrimination against
> Scientologists, private businesses owned by members of my Church are
> entered into the German government's computers with a chillingly
> evocative "S" notation. The extent and pervasiveness of governmental
> religious discrimination in Germany may be gauged by the decision of a
> U.S. federal immigration court to grant asylum to a German
> Scientologist on the grounds that she would face religious persecution
> if she had to return to Germany.
> [...]
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> --
> SCIENTOLOGY IS SECRETLY A UFO CULT
> ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
>
> Mike O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com>
> <http://www.leptonicsystems.com>
Mike O'Connor
German_Scn_News <german_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[this article is also webbed at http://cisar.org/000629c.htm]
>
>The Big Bluff
>
>In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
>asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
>proves: it was a fraud.
[...]
On the telephone she explicitly asked me not to tell anyone about the
asylum decision. The decision in court was to be published by
Scientology itself at an opportune moment. This was the express wish of
OSA." The sensation was printed in the New York Times in early
November. The woman was said to have "clearly and convincingly"
demonstrated that her fear of persecution on account of her belief had
been founded, announced Weiland.
[...]
And here's how the thriving cult of greed and power defrauded the U.S.
Congress. It started with the article placed in the NY Times to coincide
with Congressional Hearings:
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Mark Bunker
This woman washes the rental cars right outside the LMT office. She works
one door away from us.
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> It is such a small world...
>
> This woman washes the rental cars right outside the LMT office. She works
> one door away from us.
Washing cars? Is that an OT job? wow!
Does not need a lot of IQ; so, despite her being Clear with OT over 135, an
OT with one point IQ more for every hour of processing, despite being a
political "refugee", she's washing cars to have something to eat? LOL.
roger
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> It is such a small world...
>
> This woman washes the rental cars right outside the LMT office. She works
> one door away from us.
Wow, she left a job as the president of her own company in Germany to come
wash cars for Scientology in Clearwater - 363 days out of the year. The
other 2 days she has to appear before U.S. Congress and tell them how
rotten it was in Germany. I wonder what they would do to her if she
walked over to Mark Bunker and said, "Hi Mark!"? Make her wash cars for
the rest of her life??! She's already doing that.
Joe Cisar: http://cisar.org/rfs0100.htm
Award site: http://alt-charlemagne-award.de
Why would Gottfried Helnwein, one of the world's leading Scientologists,
lie? See http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News/has00.htm
>
"El Roto"
Joe's Garage wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Mark Bunker wrote:
>
>> It is such a small world...
>>
>> This woman washes the rental cars right outside the LMT office. She
works
>> one door away from us.
>
>Wow, she left a job as the president of her own company in Germany to come
>wash cars for Scientology in Clearwater - 363 days out of the year. The
>other 2 days she has to appear before U.S. Congress and tell them how
>rotten it was in Germany. I wonder what they would do to her if she
>walked over to Mark Bunker and said, "Hi Mark!"? Make her wash cars for
>the rest of her life??! She's already doing that.
She'd probably get promoted to the Maintenance and Grounds crew at Hemet.
I'm sure that possibility would keep her (or anyone else) toeing the line
quite nicely.
Steve G.
Steve A
<german_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [this article is also webbed at http://cisar.org/000629c.htm]
>
> The Big Bluff
>
> In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
> asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
> proves: it was a fraud.
Seems to me that the US Government put a lot of store by this asylum
claim: the criticism of Germany almost appears to have been predicated
on this result, since it is the only specific instance of alleged
persecution of Scientologists by the German State that is cited.
I wonder how embarrassed - and, more to the point, angry - the State
Department officials who put Scientology's case for them are feeling,
now that the degree to which they were duped is public...
--
"God above, it's bad. Sweet baby Jesus, it's bad. By all that
is holy and sacred on the Earth, this is a bad, bad, bad film."
-- London Daily Mirror, review of "Battlefield Earth"
Steve A
<markb...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
> It is such a small world...
>
> This woman washes the rental cars right outside the LMT office. She works
> one door away from us.
Perhaps she'd like to blow, and claim religious asylum from German
*Scientology*, now. :-)
It might be an interesting test of her religious principles...
German_Scn_News
http://cisar.org/000629c.htm]
The Big Bluff
In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive asylum in the USA
as a Scientologist. Stern research proves: it was a fraud.
Hamburg, Germany
June 29, 2000
Stern magazine
First the retirees flocked to Clearwater. Then the Scientologists. Since
then the sunny, small city in Florida, situated on the warm-watered Gulf
of Mexico, has become one of the most bizarre places in America.
Young people in uniform stream busily through the once sleepy downtown,
security guards patrol with video cameras and earsets, surveillance
cameras probe the Scientology-owned buildings and the streets around them.
About 5,000 adherents of the "Church of Scientology," judged to be a
profit-oriented corporation in Germany, live here; according to sect
advertising company with him in Schwaan, near Rostock, in the beginning of
the 1990s. When the law caught up with him and his partner, Victore took
over management of the company, but could not pay income, business or
sales tax for 1993: exactly the 13,100.51 marks which she later was asking
other Scientologists for.
"OSA also had a very real interest in getting Antje's application for
asylum approved so she could stay in the States," said Jens Billerbeck,
who was in close contact with Victore at the time, but has since then left
Scientology. "They were trying to prevent her from appearing as a witness
in the trial against her former company chief." The boss, at the time, of
the international Scientology intelligence service, Kurt Weiland, was
concerned that she could reveal delicate details about the psycho-business
and also about the German Scientology Center. "Antje knew a lot."
All the more forcefully Weiland effected the "handling" of the problem.
Billerbeck: "Antje proudly reported to me that Weiland and an OSA attorney
worked on the method of procedure personally in her asylum proceedings."
The strategy to convince the Immigration Judge, was as tricky as it was
effective: German Scientologist who have a business, authored letters to
Antje Victore in which it was pretended that she had put in for a position
with them. With "deep regret" they rejected Victore because of her
membership in Scientology.
"Since the attacks of the press are also directed against companies which
employ Scientologists, it is anticipated that the revelation of this
membership in a religion would be disadvantageous to a company," was in
that letter. Other "rejections" were similarly founded. The "restrictive
politics" of the state governments in Munich and Berlin were repeatedly
mentioned, whereby it was said that Scientologists were not allowed to
Christine Kruttschnitt
Rainer Nuebel
Jeannette Schweitzer
---
Top half of sample letter: Stern article Inset
Berlin
September 2, 1996
Your inquiry regarding the possibilities of work for Scientologists in
Berlin
Dear Mrs. Victore,
In our estimation, the present labor market situation is not favorable for
adherents of the Scientology Church.
Because the attacks in the press are also directed against companies that
employ Scientologists, it can be anticipated that disclosure of one's
religious membership is a disadvantage for the company concerned.
Even the Senate in Berlin is pursuing an extraordinarily restrictive
politic against Scientologists. Firms or persons who are affiliated with
the concepts of the Scientology religion ...
---
Related articles
Antje Victore always seemed to get along particularly well
in southern climates....
http://cisar.org/trn0415.htm
http://cisar.org/trn0363.htm
Karl-Erich - Dubious investment practices - Scientologists
as investment consultants ...
----------
Beverly Rice
> <german_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > [this article is also webbed at http://cisar.org/000629c.htm]
> > The Big Bluff
> > In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
> > asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
> > proves: it was a fraud.
> Seems to me that the US Government put a lot of store by this asylum
> claim: the criticism of Germany almost appears to have been predicated
> on this result, since it is the only specific instance of alleged
> persecution of Scientologists by the German State that is cited.
> I wonder how embarrassed - and, more to the point, angry - the State
> Department officials who put Scientology's case for them are feeling,
> now that the degree to which they were duped is public...
Huh?
What are you talking about?
I don't understand.
What do you mean?
:-)
Actually, while the story was brought to public attention because
of the PR machine and the pimping of Co$ 'clebs . . .
the ~TRUTH~ about the ~SCAM~ will never become public knowledge
unless some major newpaper media pick it up over here and put
in on the front pages.
I guarantee all the congresscritters that allowed themselves
to be whored by the Co$ 'cleb pimps are ~NOT~ going to go out
of their way to say they did not investigate this whole thing
enough to find out it was a scam to begin with.
Shows how sloppy they are.
Nope . . .
under the carpet . . .
with all the other ~bodies~.
ARC,
Beverly
l.l.lipshitz
| On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:11 -0400, German_Scn_News
| <german_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| >
| > The Big Bluff
| >
| > In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
| > asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
| > proves: it was a fraud.
|
| claim: the criticism of Germany almost appears to have been predicated
| on this result, since it is the only specific instance of alleged
| persecution of Scientologists by the German State that is cited.
|
| I wonder how embarrassed - and, more to the point, angry - the State
| Department officials who put Scientology's case for them are feeling,
| now that the degree to which they were duped is public...
i hope they are embarrassed and angry enough to
bring fraud charges against her and deport her.
-elle
------------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elk...@min.net ]=------------
the greatest lesson in life is to know that
even fools are right sometimes. -wc
Steve A
> Steve A (ste...@castle-systems.co.uk) sez:
> | On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:11 -0400, German_Scn_News
> | <german_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> |
> | > [this article is also webbed at http://cisar.org/000629c.htm]
> | >
> | > The Big Bluff
> | >
> | > In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
> | > asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
> | > proves: it was a fraud.
> |
> | Seems to me that the US Government put a lot of store by this asylum
> | claim: the criticism of Germany almost appears to have been predicated
> | on this result, since it is the only specific instance of alleged
> | persecution of Scientologists by the German State that is cited.
> |
> | I wonder how embarrassed - and, more to the point, angry - the State
> | Department officials who put Scientology's case for them are feeling,
> | now that the degree to which they were duped is public...
>
> i hope they are embarrassed and angry enough to
> bring fraud charges against her and deport her.
One would hope so. Asylum seems to be a touchy subject at the moment,
and the idea that someone could get away with a bogus claim would tend
to bring the whole process into disrepute.
I would also think that the role of Scientology in presenting evidence
in support of this bogus claim should also be investigated - this
calls Scientology's claims to morality and ethics into very serious
question.
Beverly Rice
> elk...@min.net (l.l.lipshitz) wrote:
> > Steve A (ste...@castle-systems.co.uk) sez:
> > | On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:11 -0400, German_Scn_News
> > | > [this article is also webbed at http://cisar.org/000629c.htm]
> > | > The Big Bluff
> > | > In 1997, Antje Victore was the first German to receive
> > | > asylum in the USA as a Scientologist. Stern research
> > | > proves: it was a fraud.
> > | Seems to me that the US Government put a lot of store by this asylum
> > | claim: the criticism of Germany almost appears to have been predicated
> > | on this result, since it is the only specific instance of alleged
> > | persecution of Scientologists by the German State that is cited.
> > | I wonder how embarrassed - and, more to the point, angry - the State
> > | Department officials who put Scientology's case for them are feeling,
> > | now that the degree to which they were duped is public...
> > i hope they are embarrassed and angry enough to
> > bring fraud charges against her and deport her.
> One would hope so. Asylum seems to be a touchy subject at the moment,
> and the idea that someone could get away with a bogus claim would tend
> to bring the whole process into disrepute.
>
> I would also think that the role of Scientology in presenting evidence
> in support of this bogus claim should also be investigated - this
> calls Scientology's claims to morality and ethics into very serious
> question.
The Co$ has ~NO~ ethics that run linear to what the rest of
the world sees ethics as being.
Co$ ~ethics~ only has to do with whatever is best for the Co$,
and screw anything and everything else . . . period.
This has been demonstrated openly time and time and time and
time again here on this NG.
The sad fact is, not only is she ~NOT~ a victim of "religious
intolerance" (very oxymoronic claim coming from a member of the
~Religion of Intolerance~) . . .
but she simply is someone who was in trouble with her ~TAXES~
of all things.
This is something that other wealthy German Hubbardites who
gave vast amounts of money to Co$ and to it's "War Chest"
have also been accused of, and even convicted of, in Germany.
Now ~THAT~ is a fine thing that our congresscritters and very
obviously stupid 'clebs did, condeming an entire nation for
something that was not even true, and ends up merely being yet
another Co$ member in financial trouble.
So, yes, she should be deported ~BACK~ to Germany and face
the consequences of her negligent financial actions . . .
and the congresscritters and 'clebs should most definitely
apologize to the German nation.
Ohhhhhh, the pain . . .
the ~PAIN~.
~WHEN~ is the US govt. going to wake up and quit allowing
this hateful, lying, deceptive, fraudulent, harassive,
intimidating, negligent, and criminal organization to QUIT
~HIDING~ behind the cloak of ~religion~?
ARC for being patient and letting Co$'s own actions and time
bring about realization of what they really are to others,
Beverly