David Touretzky
anonymous...@gmail.com
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
Department. He also spends hundreds of hours spreading hatred over the
internet from his office at CMU. Touretzky works nights instead of the
usual school hours and so is able to spend much of his time online,
unobserved by colleagues and administrators. As a result, almost any
evening Touretzky can be found using the resources and facilities of
Carnegie Mellon University to preach his racist, bigoted views to
anyone from his fellow fanatics to his unsuspecting students, while the
taxpayers pay the bills.
Touretzky is deeply involved in extremist activities and, as an
example, it has been calculated that, in less than a year, he spent
over 300 of his supposed "working" hours participating in hate
newgroups and chat rooms. It must be presumed that Touretzky was paid
full salary while he spent those 300 hours spreading hate on the
internet, a fact that should be of concern to his employers at CMU as
well as those government and private institutions that fund Touretzky's
considerable research grants, which amount to more than $5,000,000.00,
producing, in the opinion of RFW, absolutely nothing worthwhile, yet he
keeps asking for more money for his "research" on rats. In fact
Touretzky admist that he is overpaid and it is to his advantage if
taxes are raised by the Federal Government:
"My money comes mostly from the US govt, not corporations. So if we
raise taxes and hike the NSF and NIH and DARPA budgets, that would be
to my benefit. ... I'm already overpaid." -- David Touretzky
As examples of this kind of the sick content he encourages anyone to
view, one of these sites uses pornography to mock and desecrate
religious practices while another provides detailed instructions on how
to build a fertilizer bomb (the kind Timothy McVeigh copied off the
internet and used to massacre men, women and childres in Oklahoma
City).
When called to account for his hate activities, Touretzky is quick to
hide behind the banner of "free speech" -- a specious argument at best
when one considers that Touretzky's entire anti-religious hate campaign
is specifically designed to denigrate the beliefs of others and thereby
inhibit their ability to practice their religion and speak freely about
their beliefs.
Recently one of Touretzky's fellow newsgroup members proved this
hypocrisy by posting to the internet information about Touretzky's
visits to a local sex shop and the purchases he makes there. Did
Touretzky respect her right to "free speech?" Of course not. On the
contrary, he kicked up such a row that the Internet Service Providers
in question took the sites down, regardless of the fact that they were
violating that individual's Constitutional rights.
While racism and bigotry are sicknesses that we must tolerate in
private individuals in order to have a free society, as taxpayers we
are under no obligation to pay their salaries or tolerate their misuse
of our public institutions. David Touretzky is using Carnegie Mellon
University as a platform for his hate agenda, in violation of
University policy. He constantly uses his position as a CMU professor
to lend credibility to his views, even giving press interviews from his
office. In a Danish TV Touretezky portrayed himself as "expert" on
matters about which he has no clues, but again he made it look as if
CMU was sanctioning his interviews.
David Touretzky is not a person who makes the occasional discriminatory
remark out of ignorance. On the contrary, he is engaged in a dedicated
attack on races and religions.
For more information on David Touretzky and his extremist activities
and associates, visit
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/index.html
We invite you to read the statements Touretzky has made and decide for
yourself whether or not Touretzky should be allowed to continue his
activities at the expense of the taxpayer, and whether or not he should
be considered a social "expert" of any kind. If you think he should
not, contact your local Senator and Representative and request their
assistance to look into Touretzky's utilization of government funds.
For more information on how to find your Senator or Representative
visit http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov. If you know of
instances of David Touretzky being involved in wasting or misusing of
government funds you can also write to
webm...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
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INTRODUCTION: THE Q LIST AND BEGINNING OF LOGICS
A lecture given on 10 November 1952
There is an organization known as the police, an organization
which is addicted to making you do everything you don't want to
do and preventing you from doing everything you want to do. And
that is their motto. Their motto is "stop motion." A society --
Homo sapiens -- in this age could not exist without a very, very
adequate police force -- tremendously adequate. As a matter of fact,
there have been much better police forces. The present police
forces of Earth are a little bit in apathy.
The Mexican police force is the only one I know of that isn't in
apathy, and it is so completely unregulated and untrammeled that
it doesn't have to be. They have what they call a ley de fuego,
which solves all of their police problems. That is to say,
someone must obey the police, it says in the law-books. They must
obey the police. And the other thing it says in there: if anyone
runs, you shoot 'em. So it's a simple method, then, of handling
anyone suspected, oh, of striking a match, anyone suspected of
murder -- same order of magnitude in Mexico. All you do is when
you pick up the suspect you tell him to run: If he doesn't run,
you shoot him, and if he runs, you shoot him. And so it's very
effective and very simple.
--
When I shake my killfile I can hear them buzzing.
WCB
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
LOGICS 1-7
A lecture given on 10 November 1952
There is no more madder nation than Japan. And you walk down the
street in Japan and you say to some Japanese, "Blah-d-blah,
blither-blither," something of the sort. And he says, "I withhold
my foul breath from your face," and "Yes," and so on. And he goes
on down the street. And you told him that you were on your way
home and you wanted him to go on to the office. And he took it
that you were on your way to the office and you wanted to go
home.
It's supposed to be a terribly hard language. It's not a hard
language. It's as simple as baby talk, really. It's an awfully
easy language in terms of languages. Some of the Malay languages
are a little bit rough.
But in katakana you have this great big character, which is a
Chinese character, and then you have the little katakana stuff up
at the corner of it (if I'm using the proper terms on this; it's
been years since I ran into this stuff).
Anyway, they've got the character and then they say how it's
pronounced in Japanese. But do you know that two Japanese can
stand together and converse with each other for a little while
and then all of a sudden find out they're talking about two
entirely different things, and with a great surprise find this
out, and they promptly break out their pencils and pieces of
paper, and they draw the Chinese character for the proper words
they're using. "Oh. Oh, I understand; that's very good. Yeah,
very good, yeah. I so solly. Yeah." Whee! That's a rough one.
They identify. And you will find that they're perfectly happy to
do that. It makes bad communication. And they're perfectly happy
to have bad communication. They don't want anything better than
that. If you went in there and tried to straighten their language
out and give them new words to support these, why, they'd be
upset with you as all could be.
Now, you take katakana is, I think, if I remember rightly, some
forty-seven characters -- just sort of fishing this out of the hat.
It's been ages since I ran into this. Anyway, some forty-seven
characters, something like that. And when they write them all
down they don't space anything -- when they're just a stream of
characters. There's no spaces that separate any of the words they
represent. And boy, that sentence can read any way. It can read
"The boy milked the cow" or it can read "Dogs are forbidden
here" or it can read "The steamer will sail at nine." They don't
care. Well, you just sort of infer from the surroundings what
it's all about.
And that nation has the highest rate of suicide, has the highest
rate of thick-lens glasses and did the most suicidal trick a few
years ago. It's the doggonedest country.
roger gonnet
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> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
Barbiecraziepet times after times...
Mikhail Bilinski
news:1122349582....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
> David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
> Department. He also spends hundreds of hours spreading hatred over the
> internet from his office at CMU. Touretzky works nights instead of the
> usual school hours and so is able to spend much of his time online,
> unobserved by colleagues and administrators. As a result, almost any
> evening Touretzky can be found using the resources and facilities of
> Carnegie Mellon University to preach his racist, bigoted views to
> anyone from his fellow fanatics to his unsuspecting students, while the
> taxpayers pay the bills.
>
I am pretty sure that even universities use proxies, and it is quite simple
to keep a log and print out a proxy report. Care to try again?
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http://www.clambake.org
http://www.scientology-kills.org
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.lermanet.com
A lack of humor does not necessarily mean a lack of wit, but they are
rarely seen without each other.
Barbara Schwarz
Good idea to inform about psych troll Dave Touretzky, AI. I noticed
that he is sitting in a house of glass but throws stones after L. Ron
Hubbard and Scientology.
Barbara Schwarz
===============
"I can hypnotize a man without his knowledge and consent into
committing treason against the United States", boasted psychiatrist
George Estabrooks in the early 1940s.
================
In 1947, psych J.G. Watkin induced criminal behavior in deeply
hypnotized people. He took a normal healthy army private, a stable
personality, put him in deep trance and was told the officer sitting in
front of him would be a Japanese soldier who must be killed otherwise
the would be killed. The officer grabbed him by the throat and four
people were needed to pull the private off the officer. Also other
hypnosis experiments of these kinds worked.
http://www.whale.to/b/bowart_b.html
==============
Nevertheless, most judges (corrupt remote controlled idiots as they
are) adopted the psych lies that criminal behavior cannot be induced
under hypnosis. The suicide bombers and other terrorists show us
almost everyday what's the matter with them.
If the psychiatrists behind terror and crimes are not caught, we never
get a peaceful and civilized world
Barbara Schwarz
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Elron's Racist writings. Hubbard the racist bigot.
The South African native is probably the one impossible person
to train in the entire world? he is probably impossible by any
human standard.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September 1957.
....
...it is easily seen that a primary requisite in any program of the
rehabilitation of the Bantu in South Africa would be mental health...
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB April 1960, "The Scientific Treatment of the Insane"
The South African Rundown, the only Scientology rundown targeted at a
specific ethnic group, was developed for "delivery to South Africans, those
who
reside in South Africa as well as those who have emigrated to other parts of
the world". Hubbard apparently felt they required special processing because
they were "untrainable" and "insane".
The Church's auditing tool, the E-meter, requires adjustment in order to
accommodate
the needle's larger movements because of the intensity of a Bantu's
undisclosed
transgressions ("withholds").
A "black South African's" withholds read not only on the needle [of the
E-meter]
alone but on the Tone Arm [sensitivity adjustment] as well.
-L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, section I: "Meter Oddities", 1988 (pg.
24)
...
Because the one thing, the very, very commercial little culture the Bantu
has
... the idea of commerce and money and that sort of thing is very deeply
ingrained in these people.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, "Errors in Time", 18
July 1963
Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought is one of Scientology's basic
public
texts and has this to say about African "savages":
Just as individuals can be seen, by observing nations, so we see the African
tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on
brutality
and savagery for others but not for himself, is a no-civilization.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
It was republished in 1997, perpetuating Hubbard's racist view of Africans.
...
...the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no
madhouses
provided by his tribe.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Bridge
Publications,
Los Angeles, 1995.
The Church runs security checks on members suspected of certain criminal
behaviors.
The Johannesburg Security Check was "the roughest security check in
Scientology"
and consisted of a series of pointed questions which the Scientologist must
answer
while on the E-meter (used in this case not as an auditing tool but as a lie
detector). The contents of this security check were later incorporated into
The
Only Valid Security Check. Included in the list of "crimes" is engaging in
an
intimate relationship with a member of a "colored" race. Selected portion of
the questions:
Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another color?
Have you ever committed culpable homicide?
Have you ever bombed anything?
Have you ever murdered anyone?
Have you ever kidnapped anyone?
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter (HCOPL) 7
April 1961, "Johannesburg Security Check"
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy "Letter (HCOPL)
22 May 1961, "The Only Valid Security Check"
---------
There are hints that Scientology membership was limited to whites, at least
initially, in the orgs of southern Africa. In the first quote, Hubbard is
concerned about the World Bank taking control of England and the general
advance of Communism. He believes a stronghold of civilization can be set
up in Africa to ensure the survival of white Anglo-American culture. In
the second quote, Hubbard praises the South African org, that, in spite
of the limited white population from which to recruit, managed to outproduce
all other Scientology orgs.
Now if we can get white population, immigrants and big companies and so on
moving
into Africa and if we can get with that Scientology well established in
Southern
Africa, why we can then look forward to a salvage operation base, in case
the
northern hemisphere's lights go out.
-L. Ron Hubbard, recorded talk to the Saint Hill staff about Rhodesia, 6 May
1966
As South Africa has a white population of only 2.8 million or thereabouts,
you
can see that every other central organization in the world has been
out-created.
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 17 July 1959, "Africa over the Top"
Hubbard sought to create a Scientology homeland in South Africa or Rhodesia
(Zimbabwe).
The Church claims it opposed the white minority governments (yet most of its
activity
in the early years took place in colonial states where whites ruled and
English was
the official language: England, United States, Australia, South Africa,
Rhodesia);
Hubbard, however, appears to have thought the problem of apartheid was
overstated.
-------------
It is considered in England and the United States that the Government of
South Africa
is altogether too harsh with its native peoples. It is sadly humorous to
notice that
the native in South Africa, however, holds an exactly reverse opinion and
the fault
he finds with the South African Government is that it is far too lenient in
its
administration of laws throughout the native populace.
-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 96, "Justice", 15 September 1956
------------
The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is no
native
problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England!
...
The South African government is not a police state. It's easier on people
than
the United States government!
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin (HCOB) 10 October
1960
(quoted in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid by Chris Owen)
----------------
Hubbard praises the South African government's handling of the black slums
in Johannesburg:
Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may
I state that you have
conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the
most impressive and
adequate resettlement activity in existence.
L. Ron Hubbard, Letter to South African Apartheid Government, 7 November
1960, Johannesburg; reprinted
in K.T.C. Kotzé, Inquiry into the Effects and Practices of Scientology,
Pretoria, 1973 (as quoted by
Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid)
-------------
Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives
of the tribe of the Bugga-Bugga-Booga-Boogas down in Lower Bugga-Wugga
Booga-Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red
flags today and revolting against their central government.
Well, the British Tommy that went down there with his Snider, or his
Lee-Enfield, and brought them higher education in the first place was
only occasionally followed by anybody who taught them anything. And
they didn't learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture
rapidly.
They've been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know,
dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level
of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.
-L. Ron Hubbard, The Study Tapes, "Study: Evaluation and Information",
lecture given 11 August 1964
-----------------------------
You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself
a nigger; that's what they're born for.
-L Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb
--------------------------------
Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south,
where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost
and the wagon and the whip and anything around there?a hat. They talk
to them, you know. "What'sa mattuh wi' you hat?" They imbue them with
personality.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80, Part I, "Route to
Infinity", 21 May 1952
-----------------------
Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can
get
attention from matter or objects.
...
The white goes further. He often believes he can get attention only from
whites and that yellow and brown people's attention is worthless. Thus
the yellow and brown races are not very progressive, but, by and large,
saner.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
------------------------------
Now we say there's, well, another place in the world?there's India.
Wonderful place ? except for its people.
-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Control of Hysteria" (lecture), 15 April 1957.
--------------------------------
In North Africa they had the Arab with the gun and whip, but he could
force people to do things a gun and a whip [sic] and he accomplished
a tremendous amount of extermination, but he certainly didn't advance
that civilization very much.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September
1957, as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill
Organization) (as quoted by Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for
Apartheid)
-------------------------------
He's [the Arab] been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he
lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He's been going
crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about
the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.
This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been
eating death for a very long time and it is death.
The Arab is to a point where he won't even follow a decent leader.
He's got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration
and bigotry. Then he'll follow him.
...the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem
and disease and poverty and political unrest.
-L. Ron Hubbard, 20th Advanced Clinical Course, "Case Analysis rock
Hunting",
lecture of 4 August 1958
---------------------------------------
Hubbard on Egyptians:
Past civilizations have vanished, you see...Hindi, Greek, Roman,
European, they did vanish. These little beaten-down peasants you
see in France were once the proud Romans. Those small brown men w
ho sell their sisters on the streets of Cairo were once the mighty
Egyptians.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Ability, issue 56, October 1957, quoted in Winning
("News Journal of the Office of Special Affairs") vol.1, iss.3, 1997
(quoted in a.r.s. post by Peter Lucey)
-------------------------------------------
Hubbard on Jews
Furthermore, [Sigmund Freud] had a racial fixation on sex, a
fixation sufficiently pronounced to cause it to infect contagiously
all modern European stock.
-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 92, "A Critique of Psychoanalysis", 10 July 1956
------------------------------------------------
This is the only way I know of to keep Anzo from being deluged with Asiatic
hordes.
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Information Letter, "Anzo Supplement", 17 February 1969
----------------------------------
Japanese is a baby talk ? very, very hard to read, very, very, easy to talk.
... A very faint kind of language.
-L. Ron Hubbard, New Slant on Life, Bridge Publications, 1997.
------------------------------------
One of the reasons they [the Japanese] have bad eyesight is
probably these microscopic characters [furigana] which have
many lines and strokes to them. ... We wonder why they went
mad and bombed Pearl Harbor when they knew they couldn't win.
That [the Japanese language] would be a reason.
-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Part Played by the Analytical Mind" (
lecture), 19 July 1950 (as quoted by Anthony Roberts in a.r.s. post)
-----------------------------------------
A science of mind is a goal which has engrossed thousands of
generations of Man. Armies, dynasties and whole civilizations have
perished for the lack of it. Rome went to dust for the want of it.
China swims in blood for the need of it; and down in the arsenal
is an atom bomb, its hopeful nose full-armed in ignorance of it.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,
Chapter 1: "The Scope of Dianetics", Church of Scientology of
California Publication Organization, Los Angeles, CA, 1950
-----------------------------------------------
When this government [Chiang Kaishek's] finally fell there was
no one ready to teach the Chinese the human way of life.
-L. Ron Hubbard, The Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin, Vol. 2, No.
1, "Education and the Auditor", July 1951
And we see at the other extreme China, slavishly dedicated to
ancient scholars, incapable of generating within herself sufficient
rulers to continue, without bloodshed, a nation.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Fundamentals of Thought, Chapter "Causation and
Knowledge", Section "Civilization and Savagery", page 113-114, 1997.
You can put these things into the hands of some Chinese and send
him to Hong Kong and we'll have cleared chinks.
-L. Ron Hubbard, tape 5211C06A LS-1, "Methods of Research - The
Thetan as an Energy Unit"; also known as "Secrets of the MEST
Universe", lecture 1)
...[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to
overrun any white country in any way except by intermarriage.
One American marine could stand off a great many yellowmen
without much effort.
A Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down.
They smell of all the baths they didn't take.
The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.
-L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928.
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jls
<anonymous...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On the
> contrary, he kicked up such a row that the Internet Service Providers
> in question took the sites down, regardless of the fact that they were
> violating that individual's Constitutional rights.
>
WRONG. Constitutional rights violations are committed by agents of a state
or federal government. You must have a state actor in order to have a
constitutional rights violation.
Ironically it looks as though you wish to deny Touretzky his rights of free
speech.
anonymous...@gmail.com
> Good idea to inform about psych troll Dave Touretzky, AI. I noticed
> that he is sitting in a house of glass but throws stones after L. Ron
> Hubbard and Scientology.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Thank you Barbara. All others (trolls & sock puppets) ignored. I think
David Touretzky is insane. ARS is full of psychotics who only
recognize the mistakes of others and never correct themselves.
- Anonymous
> ===============
> "I can hypnotize a man without his knowledge and consent into
> committing treason against the United States", boasted psychiatrist
> George Estabrooks in the early 1940s.
> ================
> In 1947, psych J.G. Watkin induced criminal behavior in deeply
> hypnotized people. He took a normal healthy army private, a stable
> personality, put him in deep trance and was told the officer sitting in
> front of him would be a Japanese soldier who must be killed otherwise
> the would be killed. The officer grabbed him by the throat and four
> people were needed to pull the private off the officer. Also other
> hypnosis experiments of these kinds worked.
>
> http://www.whale.to/b/bowart_b.html
> ==============
> Nevertheless, most judges (corrupt remote controlled idiots as they
> are) adopted the psych lies that criminal behavior cannot be induced
> under hypnosis. The suicide bombers and other terrorists show us
> almost everyday what's the matter with them.
>
> If the psychiatrists behind terror and crimes are not caught, we never
> get a peaceful and civilized world
>
> Barbara Schwarz
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Mikhail Bilinski
news:1122417136.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>> Good idea to inform about psych troll Dave Touretzky, AI. I noticed
>> that he is sitting in a house of glass but throws stones after L. Ron
>> Hubbard and Scientology.
>>
>> Barbara Schwarz
>
> Thank you Barbara. All others (trolls & sock puppets) ignored. I
> think David Touretzky is insane. ARS is full of psychotics who only
> recognize the mistakes of others and never correct themselves.
>
> - Anonymous
>
>> >
Wow! So since you are accusing all critics of the evil corporation,
$cientology, of being psychotics, does that mean you now recognize
psychiatry as a real science? If you are going to use the terms, then you
must at least be legitimizing the field. Methinks anonymous is hoist on
his own petard, but then again, any $cientologisyt would be because they
are limited in thought, and in action. I would say L Ron's teachings has
brought his followers to the same level of subhumanity that his racist
rantings paint non-whites...He was a racist con artist, and he has you all
enslaved, even from the grave.
Robert Carlson
Robert Carlson
---
Working for the Church of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs.
Also know as: Faxhor, anon...@gmail.com, SunSurfer,
classifi...@gmail.com, Jet, etc, etc, etc...
FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
anonymous...@gmail.com
- Anonymous
================================================================
Eugen Fischer (1874-1967) was a prominent Nazi German eugenicist
responsible for the pseudoscientific theories of racial hygiene
that sent an estimated half a million Gypsies to their death in
the Porajmos (see also: Holocaust) and led to the compulsory
sterilization of hundreds of thousands of other individuals,
deemed racially defective, such as the Rhineland Bastards, the
mentally ill, and the mentally retarded.
Born in Karlsruhe, Germany, Fischer joined the Nazi party soon
after it was established. A book, Human Hereditary Teaching
and Racial Hygiene, co-written by him and Edwin Bauer and
Fritz Lentz, served as the "scientific" basis for Nazism's
attitude toward other races. He served as the head of the
Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity,
and Eugenics, until 1933, when Hitler appointed him rector
of the University of Berlin.
Under the Nazi regime, Fischer developed the physiological
specifications used to determine racial origins. He and his
team experimented with Gypsies and African-Germans, taking
blood and measuring skulls to find scientific validation for
his theories.
Fischer retired from the university in 1942. After the war,
he completed his memoirs, which critics say whitewash his
role in the genocidal program of the Third Reich. He died
in 1967.
Mikhail Bilinski
news:VZSTMZ5U3855...@anonymous.poster:
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>> Good idea to inform about psych troll Dave Touretzky, Robert. I
noticed
>> that he is sitting in a house of glass but throws stones after L. Ron
>> Hubbard and Scientology.
>>
>> Barbara Schwarz
>
> Thank you Barbara. All others (trolls & sock puppets) ignored. I
think
> David Touretzky is insane. ARS is full of psychotics who only
recognize
> the mistakes of others and never correct themselves. They're not like
me
> and my child support payments.
>
> Robert Carlson
> ---
> Working for the Church of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs.
> Also know as: Faxhor, anon...@gmail.com, SunSurfer,
> classifi...@gmail.com, Jet, etc, etc, etc...
>
>
Spam baby, yeah! That is the way isn't it? Just keep repeating
yourself until ordered to stop by your masters right? So, superhuman
$cienoman, what am I thinking right now? I can read your
thoughts...mmm...mmm..oohhmm... I see a blank chalkboard,..ooohhm..I see
a fat, dissipated old man with some red hair left approaching the
board...mmm...I get the feeling the fat, dissipated old drug-addict is
using the imagery of a chalkboard to represent your mind, he is writing
now...Mmmm...Oooohhhmmm..he writes...he writes...SUCKERS! And I have
lost the connection.
anonymous...@gmail.com
<snip>
I am "proud" of "your" history.
- Anonymous
================================================================
Ernst Rüdin (April 19, 1874 - 1952) Swiss-German psychiatrist,
geneticist and eugenicist. Rüdin was born in St. Gallen,
Switzerland. He is known as one of the fathers of racial hygiene.
Psychiatry, genetics, and racial hygiene
Influenced in racial hygiene and social Darwinism by his brother-in-law
Alfred Ploetz, Rüdin started his career as a psychiatrist and
developed the concept of "empirical genetic prognosis" of mental
disorders. He published his initial results on the genetics of
schizophrenia in 1916.
Rüdin was the director (1917-1945) of the Genealogical-Demographic
Department at the German Institute for Psychiatric Research.
Eugenics
Ernst Rüdin was the director of the one of the first eugenics research
institutes, known as Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Genealogy in Munich,
Germany. He also headed the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research in
Frankfurt and the German Society for Rassenhygiene (Race-hygiene) and
was one of the first members of the organization which attempted to
educate the public on the "dangers" of heredity defectives and the
value of the Nordic race as "culture creators."
Rüdin's work was endorsed by the German government's National
Socialist Party(Nazi). The Nazi's recognized Rudin as one of the
father's of the Nazi ideology.
In 1933, Ernst Rüdin, Alfred Ploetz, and several other experts on
racial hygiene were brought together to form the Expert Committee on
Questions of Population and Racial Policy under Reich Interior Minister
Wilhelm Frick. The committee's ideas were used as a scientific basis to
justify the actions of the Nazi's racial policies.
Rüdin wrote the official commentary for the Nazi racial policy "Law
for the Prevention of Genetically Diseased Offspring" which the German
government passed on January 1, 1934.
Rüdin was supplied with manpower and financial support and special
awards were given to him by the Nazis and Adolf Hitler.
Rüdin quoted Hitler in a speech to the German Society for
Rassenhygiene: "Whoever is not physically or mentally fit must not pass
on his defects to his children. The state must take care that only the
fit produce children. Conversely, it must be regarded as reprehensible
to withhold healthy children from the state."
After 1945, Rüdins connections to the Nazis were the main reason for
criticism towards psychiatric genocide in Germany.
Quotes
"The significance of Rassenhygiene did not become evident to all aware
Germans until the political activity of Adolf Hitler and only through
his work has our 30 year long dream of translating Rassen- hygiene into
action finally become a reality." - Ernst Rüdin
References
"Aufgaben and Ziele der Deutschen Gesellschaft fur Rassenhygiene"
Archiv Fur Rassen- und Gesellschafts- biologie 28 (1934): pp. 228-29
"The Science and Politics of Racial Research" by William Tucker.
University of Illinois Press, 1994.
"Psychiatric research and science policy in Germany: the history of the
Deutsche Forschungsanstalt fur Psychiatrie (German Institute for
Psychiatric Research) in Munich from 1917 to 1945)" MM. Weber, 2000
"Program and practice of psychiatric genetics at the German Research
Institute of Psychiatry under Ernst Rudin: on the relationship between
science, politics and the concept of race before and after 1993" by V.
Roelcke, 2002
"Racial Hygiene" by Robert Proctor.
Robert Carlson
> Good idea to inform about psych troll Dave Touretzky, Robert. I noticed
> that he is sitting in a house of glass but throws stones after L. Ron
> Hubbard and Scientology.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Thank you Barbara. All others (trolls & sock puppets) ignored. I think
David Touretzky is insane. ARS is full of psychotics who only recognize
Robert Carlson
<snip>
I am "proud" of "your" history.
Robert Carlson
Robert Carlson
Robert Carlson
Mikhail Bilinski
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>> REPOST, Noise and chatter ignored.
>>
>> - Anonymous
>>
>> ================================================================
>>
>> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
>> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>>
>> David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer
Science
>> Department. He also spends hundreds of hours spreading hatred over
the
>> internet from his office at CMU. Touretzky works nights instead of
the
>> usual school hours and so is able to spend much of his time online,
>> unobserved by colleagues and administrators. As a result, almost any
>> evening Touretzky can be found using the resources and facilities of
>> Carnegie Mellon University to preach his racist, bigoted views to
>> anyone from his fellow fanatics to his unsuspecting students, while
the
>> taxpayers pay the bills.
>>
>> Touretzky is deeply involved in extremist activities
>
> Translated, he's telling the truth about a noxious cult. It's not
as
> bad -- or as weird! -- as Chri$$$tianity, but the Church of
$cientology
> will never be mistaken for Mother Teresa's mission.
>
>
I think Robert feels the bite, otherwise he wouldn't be repeating
himself like some tragic ass-puppet. Dwarfid Miscavige has his hand up
Carlson, and is treating him like the slave he is.
Ken Smith
> REPOST, Noise and chatter ignored.
>
> - Anonymous
>
> ================================================================
>
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
> David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
> Department. He also spends hundreds of hours spreading hatred over the
> internet from his office at CMU. Touretzky works nights instead of the
> usual school hours and so is able to spend much of his time online,
> unobserved by colleagues and administrators. As a result, almost any
> evening Touretzky can be found using the resources and facilities of
> Carnegie Mellon University to preach his racist, bigoted views to
> anyone from his fellow fanatics to his unsuspecting students, while the
> taxpayers pay the bills.
>
> Touretzky is deeply involved in extremist activities
Translated, he's telling the truth about a noxious cult. It's not as
pitdog
Uzytkownik "Ken Smith" <for...@it.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:42E6CD62...@it.com...
> > Touretzky is deeply involved in extremist activities
>
> Translated, he's telling the truth about a noxious cult. It's not as
> bad -- or as weird! -- as Chri$$$tianity, but the Church of $cientology
> will never be mistaken for Mother Teresa's mission.
well, think of what you posted, comparing a money making cult to a big
religion.
they be saying: antireligious person and all that.
anyway, confusing some things and mixing them up really is not a smart
tactic...
(unless u are a scientologist playing around here lol)
anonymous...@gmail.com
criminals and their criminal supporters with anything that resembles
respect.
- Anonymous
WCB
Which is why Scientology gets none.
Would you like to duscuss Hubbard's crimes?
Bounced checks.
Ripping off Jack Parsons.
Theft.
Fraud.
He had to run and hide to avoid the IRS, Justice department and
a hundred lawsuits. Had he not ran and hid, he would
have gone to prsiosn along with his asshole wife.
M.C. DiPietra
wbar...@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com let fly on 7/27/05 6:34 AM:
Now, this makes sense to everyone else in the universe.
But to big, brave anonymous.informer, the word "criminal" simply means "one
who doesn't think in lockstep with me; one who has another opinion"
Like Steve Martin once said [about the French] "it's like they have a
different word for *everything*!" Only, Scn, inc. uses the same words, just
gives them different meanings.
This is part of how a good Scientologist is taught how to lie effectively.
--
M.C. DiPietra, mdipiet...@tampabay.rr.nospam.com SP5
"Hell, if you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
jls
<anonymous...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122442235.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I don't read the guy and don't know if he's a pro or con. I simply
responded to your misrepresentation of law.
If someone is a criminal he has committed a crime. What crimes do you say,
behind the cloak of your comfy anonymity, that this person or persons have
committed?
Robert Carlson
criminals and their criminal supporters with anything that resembles
respect.
Robert Carlson
Ken Smith
Although I am not familiar with his work, and would prefer to make my
own judgment as to its content rather than rely on your claims, nothing
that you've said about Mr. Touretsky even begins to suggest that he has
committed a criminal offense. Rather, it seems that *you* are engaged
in a vicious campaign of slander and innuendo.
And what do Touretzky's purported purchases at local sex shops have
to do with anything, other than providing substantive evidence that the
Co$ is the dangerous paranoid cult that your critics claim? You've been
out stalking the guy, and you expect us to think you've got both oars in
the water?!?
Religion is ultimately about conning people out of their money, and
as this classic tax case shows, the Co$ is in essence a for-profit
business exploiting religion. By way of example:
We affirm the Tax Court decision upholding the Commissioner's revo-
cation of the Church of Scientology of California's tax exempt status
on the ground that a portion of its income inured to the benefit of L.
Ron Hubbard and others. We reject the Church's argument that the
notice of deficiency was constitutionally and administratively defec-
tive. Finally, we uphold the Commissioner's imposition of a penalty
on the Church for failure to file the proper returns.
Church of Scientology of California v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue,
823 F.2d 1310 (9th Cir. 1987) (revoking Sec. 501(c)(3) tax exemption).
[And trust me, I've said the same about many Christian organizations.]
Some would suggest, and not entirely without cause[1], that the
Church of $cientology is itself a criminal organization. I don't
believe it is really worse than other religious organizations of which I
am aware -- I am especially quick to dismiss claims made by Christians
concerning what they claim are non-Christian cults! -- but the way that
the Co$ had gone about conducting its business certainly raises eyebrows.
My question to you is this: If the Co$ has nothing to hide, why do
you spend such an inordinate amount of time, money, and effort harassing
and persecuting your critics?
_____________________________________
[1] By way of example, if this story is substantively true, one could
certainly infer that the Co$ attempted to murder the defendant in this
case. After all, that *is* what the Co$ *successfully* alleged to avoid
a summary dismissal under Rule 12(b)(6):
Flynn is a Massachusetts attorney who frequently represents former
Scientologists against CSC. On June 25, 1983, Flynn allegedly made
the following remarks to an audience of eighty persons in Los Angeles:
Among the things that occurred to me in the four years that I have
been litigating with an enormous organization that has a few people
that control huge amounts of money, to hire armies of lawyers to try
to destroy me and my clients and whether you know it or not yet,
people like yourself, is what the whole war and game and battle is
about.
In October 1979, shortly after I rejected an offer from the Church
of Scientology that is to say whoever that is to get a refund for a
client which I'm going to explain to you a litte bit about, I was
flying up to South Bend, Indiana and my airplane engine quit after
an hour and a half in the flight, and for those of you who are pilots,
you know that any degree of condensation you pick up on a pre flight
examination from your fuel tanks. Well I was an hour and a half into
the flight and we lost power entirely and we made an emergency landing
and my eleven year old son was in the plane, another lawyer and a
college classmate of mine, a Vietnam Veteran, and we drained off
quarts of water from my fuel tanks. And as I indicated, it was shortly
after I rejected an offer that I'm going to talk to you people about.
And that's when their lawyers showed up and offered me a check for
her money plus a little bit. And I told the lawyer what he could do
with his check and that took place shortly before the plane incident.
Now for a number of years, I dismissed the plane incident as being
simply too preposterous to believe that this organization could do
it.
Church of Scientology of California v. Flynn, 744 F.2d 694 (9th Cir.
1984) (reversing summary dismissal in libel case).
Many of the cases involving the Co$ are amazingly entertaining.
WCB
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>> jls, looks like your vision is distorted. I see no need to treat
>> criminals and their criminal supporters with anything that resembles
>> respect.
>
> Although I am not familiar with his work, and would prefer to make my
> own judgment as to its content rather than rely on your claims, nothing
> that you've said about Mr. Touretsky even begins to suggest that he has
> committed a criminal offense. Rather, it seems that *you* are engaged
> in a vicious campaign of slander and innuendo.
>
Of course. They are scientologists, that is policy.
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 15 FEBRUARY 1966
HCO Dir
LRH Comm
ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY (Additional Pol Ltr)
....
Anyone proposing an investigation of or an "Enquiry" into Scientology
must receive this reply and no other proposal: "We welcome an investigation
into (Mental Healing or whoever is attacking us) as we have begun one
ourselves and find shocking evidence."
You can elaborate on the evidence we have found and lay it on thick
attacking the attackers only.
NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology. ONLY agree to an
investigation of the attackers
....
This is correct procedure:
(1) Spot who is attacking us.
(2) Start investigating them promptly for FELONIES or worse
using own professionals, not outside agencies.
(3) Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation
of them.
(4) Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the
attackers to the press.
Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it
rough, rough on attackers all the way.
....
HOW TO STOP ATTACKS
The way we will eventually stop all attacks from there on out is
by processing the society as follows:
(1) Locate a source of attack on us.
(2) Investigate it.
(3) Expose it with wide lurid publicity.
--
WCB
You must remember, he is a Scientologist. Hubbard's bizarre
claims are, anybody who attacks Scientology will prove to be a
criminal.
Robert carleson, our clamhead buddy here, is a follower of Hubbo
the Magnificat who is never wrong.
These clowns ae sure anybody who says a word about Stupidology(tm)
is a criminal, its only left to investigate them to find their crimes.
Which is indeed the main reason most any critic in the past
could expect to be swarmed by Scientology hired PIs and other
harassers.
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 5 NOVEMBER 1967
BPI
CRITICS OF SCIENTOLOGY
....
"Now, get this as a technical fact, not a hopeful idea. Every time we have
investigated the background of a critic of Scientology, we have found crimes
for which that person or group could be imprisoned under existing law.
We do not find critics of Scientology who do not have criminal pasts.
Over and over we prove this.
....
We are slowly and carefully teaching the unholy a lesson. It is as follows:
"We are not a law enforcement agency. BUT we will become interested in the
crimes of people who seek to stop us. If you oppose Scientology we promptly
look up?and will find and expose your crimes. If you leave us alone we will
leave you alone."
It's very simple. Even a fool can grasp that.
And don't underrate our ability to carry it out.
....
Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes,
known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist. Because they do."
....
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
Cen O Con HCO POLICY LETTER OF 16 FEBRUARY, 1969
Guardians Office
PROs
Intelligence
Confidential
ENEMY NAMES
....
It is wise to challenge such adverse commentators as routine
procedures. A call by a local "housewives committee", etc. as to why they
are hostile to human rights or in favor of psychiatric butchery and getting
them in the press with it and with no mention of us is good PRO.
Intelligence data when gained, can be fed back to PRO for more
spectacular confrontations.
....
Intelligence uses the names for investigation, run back, cross filing.
PRO uses the hostile commentator to guide his own counter attacks.
The effect at the least is to shut the hostile people up.
This activity (investigate, press counter-attack such speakers) must
not be neglected.
We happen to be fortunate, if you call it that, that persons hostile
to Scientology usually have criminal backgrounds even when in public life.
One doesn't always find these even when they exist but one at least finds
connections which are useful.
It is very sound strategy never to fight a battle on your own
territory or subject or even on the territory of an ally. Always fight
battles in enemy territory.
Therefore do exposes of such people in the area of their subjects or
interest, not bringing us or any real ally into it.
....
anonymous...@gmail.com
> <snip>
anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am "proud" of "your" history.
Robert Carlson forger wrote:
<snip>
The criminal forger didn't want you to read about Ernst Rudin a
significant nazi psychiatrist.
- Anonymous
================================================================
Ernst Rudin (April 19, 1874 - 1952) Swiss-German psychiatrist,
geneticist and eugenicist. Rudin was born in St. Gallen, Switzerland.
He is known as one of the fathers of racial hygiene.
Psychiatry, genetics, and racial hygiene
Influenced in racial hygiene and social Darwinism by his brother-in-law
Alfred Ploetz, Rudin started his career as a psychiatrist and developed
the concept of "empirical genetic prognosis" of mental disorders. He
published his initial results on the genetics of schizophrenia in 1916.
Rudin was the director (1917-1945) of the Genealogical-Demographic
Department at the German Institute for Psychiatric Research.
Eugenics
Ernst Rudin was the director of the one of the first eugenics research
institutes, known as Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Genealogy in Munich,
Germany. He also headed the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research in
Frankfurt and the German Society for Rassenhygiene (Race-hygiene) and
was one of the first members of the organization which attempted to
educate the public on the "dangers" of heredity defectives and the
value of the Nordic race as "culture creators."
Rudin's work was endorsed by the German government's National Socialist
Party(Nazi). The Nazi's recognized Rudin as one of the father's of the
Nazi ideology.
In 1933, Ernst Rudin, Alfred Ploetz, and several other experts on
racial hygiene were brought together to form the Expert Committee on
Questions of Population and Racial Policy under Reich Interior Minister
Wilhelm Frick. The committee's ideas were used as a scientific basis to
justify the actions of the Nazi's racial policies.
Rudin wrote the official commentary for the Nazi racial policy "Law for
the Prevention of Genetically Diseased Offspring" which the German
government passed on January 1, 1934.
Rudin was supplied with manpower and financial support and special
awards were given to him by the Nazis and Adolf Hitler.
Rudin quoted Hitler in a speech to the German Society for
Rassenhygiene: "Whoever is not physically or mentally fit must not pass
on his defects to his children. The state must take care that only the
fit produce children. Conversely, it must be regarded as reprehensible
to withhold healthy children from the state."
After 1945, Rudins connections to the Nazis were the main reason for
criticism towards psychiatric genocide in Germany.
Quotes
"The significance of Rassenhygiene did not become evident to all aware
Germans until the political activity of Adolf Hitler and only through
his work has our 30 year long dream of translating Rassen- hygiene into
action finally become a reality." - Ernst R=FCdin
anonymous...@gmail.com
Where does all the research money go? Who pays all the ARS
bigots and other organized internet "campaigns"?
- Anonymous
================================================================
FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer
Science Department. He also spends hundreds of hours spreading
hatred over the internet from his office at CMU. Touretzky
works nights instead of the usual school hours and so is able to
spend much of his time online, unobserved by colleagues and
administrators. As a result, almost any evening Touretzky can
be found using the resources and facilities of Carnegie Mellon
University to preach his racist, bigoted views to anyone from
his fellow fanatics to his unsuspecting students, while the
taxpayers pay the bills.
Touretzky is deeply involved in extremist activities and,
as an example, it has been calculated that, in less than a
year, he spent over 300 of his supposed "working" hours
participating in hate newgroups and chat rooms. It must be
presumed that Touretzky was paid full salary while he spent
those 300 hours spreading hate on the internet, a fact that
should be of concern to his employers at CMU as well as those
government and private institutions that fund Touretzky's
considerable research grants, which amount to more than
$5,000,000.00, producing, in the opinion of RFW, absolutely
nothing worthwhile, yet he keeps asking for more money for
his "research" on rats. In fact Touretzky admist that he is
overpaid and it is to his advantage if taxes are raised by
the Federal Government:
"My money comes mostly from the US govt, not corporations.
So if we raise taxes and hike the NSF and NIH and DARPA budgets,
that would be to my benefit. ... I'm already overpaid."
-- David Touretzky
As examples of this kind of the sick content he encourages
anyone to view, one of these sites uses pornography to mock
and desecrate religious practices while another provides
detailed instructions on how to build a fertilizer bomb
(the kind Timothy McVeigh copied off the internet and used
to massacre men, women and children in Oklahoma City).
taxpayers, and whether or not he should be considered a
social "expert" of any kind. If you think he should not,
contact your local Senator and Representative and request
their assistance to look into Touretzky's utilization of
government funds.
For more information on how to find your Senator or
Representative visit http://www.senate.gov and
http://www.house.gov. If you know of instances of David
Touretzky being involved in wasting or misusing of
government funds you can also write to
webm...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
Barbara Schwarz
You need no astonomer to see the moon at night. Everybody knows it is
the moon. Everybody knows that Dave Touretzky says he is a free speech
advocate but tears down any website criticial of him if he can.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Good Wikipedia article, AI. These psychs trolls on Usenet have no
conscience. They don't mind following the orders of their psychiatric
butcher masters.
Here is more about Tilman Hausherr's very own history, and it ain't
good.
OPC stands for Office for the Protection of the Constitution. The
Germans call that cult "Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz". It is a
German secret service, which was established with the objective to
uphold the German Constitution. In numerous occasions the OPC has been
accused of violating the German constitution and law.
A classic example is a case brought against a German political party
accused of violating the constitution. During a court proceeding it
came to light that many OPC agents had infiltrated the party that
allegedly conducted anti-constitutional activity. When the judge asked
the OPC to disclose the names of their agents, in order to ascertain
whether it was the party or the OPC that had conducted unconstitutional
activities, the OPC refused to provide the information. The judge
dismissed the case against this party.
The German secret service also sends their agents in the Church of
Scientology and the Munich org filed a law suit against that as it
indeed violates constitutional rights.
The OPC has distinguished itself by being prominently exposed in the
media or in courts almost routinely. It has become such an
embarrassment in Germany (and abroad) that one of the ruling political
parties in Germany was contemplating either an extensive reorganization
or the abolishment of the entire agency.
Be reminded that while the OPC spied illegally on harmless
Scientologists, September 11 terrorist Atta and his cell in Hamburg
plotted undisturbed these terror acts. Wonder why the OPC did not catch
them, unless they did not want to catch them or even set the terror act
up.
Back to Tilman Hausherr: last year interesting information was posted
to this newsgroup by ex-critic. I am quoting the exact statements made
by the ex-critic regarding Tilman Hausherr the OPC spy.
"Rumors that Tilman works for the Office for the Protection of the
Constitution left many of us wondering. When Tilman came to Clearwater
he was heard talking, very secretly, to someone in German. It wasn't
his fiancé Ilse because she was with him. A critic who speaks German
called Siemens security in Berlin, with a good story, pretending to be
in the know about Tilman. The security officer said that Siemens and
the OPC have a working relationship. Siemens agreed to provide a cover
for Tilman while he works for the OPC. The moral of the story is this:
Tilman is a German agent who is paid to be a "critic". He fooled every
single one of us. Tilman, did you know that spying on US soil, let
alone recruiting agents, is highly illegal? Every single critic you
have used to feed data back to your agency is an accessory to your
crimes. Check with your spy master, he'll tell you."
An old friend of mine made a few inquiries in Berlin and found out that
Tilman Hausherr is married to an ex Scientologist from Austria. I
wonder if that ex-Scientologist was not a former OPC infiltrator to
begin with.
That old friend of mine called that marriage a perfect set up for an
OPC agent, just like the Vera Wollenberger story, East German citizen.
In 1991 Vera had access to her Stasi file where she discovered that the
main informer against her had been her own husband.
Tilman is awfully prolific on the Net for being just an employee of
Siemens. I googled his name and found that Tilman is one of the top
posters (in quanity not quality) on ARS.
I asked some old friends of mine to go to his place and take some
pictures that could shed more light on the whole matter.
And there was Tilman's statement that it is a good idea to hurt the
American tourism.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/whistle/cwletters/cw2.html
As Tilman is apparently a German agent, it boils down to that his
secret service, his country wants to destroy the American tourism. It
reminds me of the "friendship" that the Saudis have with the USA. They
say they are our friends, but you know that most September 11
terrorists came from this country. Germany says they are friends of the
United States, but they persecute and defame an American religion (SCN)
and Tilman wants to hurt the American trourism. "Fine" friends they
are.
And look also closer at Siemens, Tilman Hausherr's official employer:
http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pubs/speeches/2003/AEI-3-4-03.htm
Yes, I know that no weapons of mass destructions were found in Iraq,
but what we know about the Germans is that Iraq must have had them,
mainly from Germany, who officially is against war but cowardly
provides the weapons. When U.S. forces marched in Iraq simply destroyed
them or hid them elsewhere.
Some quotes from the Wisconsin Project:
"And we have a literal mountain of information about who supplied the
WMD programs in Iraq. Mostly it was the Germans."
"MR. MILHOLLIN: It shows the Germans supplied 50 percent of all of the
WMD-related things that the Iraqis imported and that the rest of the
world divided the remainder. The Swiss came in second. The Swiss have
an unreasonably good reputation in the world. Actually, if you look at
their exports, they are not a clean country when it comes to WMD
exports. "
"At the same time Germany was selling poison gas plants to Libya, it
was selling the same thing to Iraq. This was in the late '80s."
And now we are coming back to Tilman Hausherr's official employer:
"One of the first process control computer was at Rapta (ph), the
poison gas plant was made by Siemens. Well, that created somewhat of a
stir. Siemens has sent delegations to our office on three different
occasions asking how they can "get off our list." We put Siemens in the
New York Times frequently. The answer is you can stop selling bad
things."
"The second poison gas plant that Mr. Qaddafi built was under a
mountain called Tarhuna (ph). It, too, needed a process control
computer.Now, where do you suppose the process control computer for the
second poison gas plant came from? It came from Siemens."
"The point I'm making here is that this problem in Iraq that we're
going to solve with U.S. troops and U.S. blood and U.S. treasure is an
imported problem. The WMD program is imported lock, stock, and barrel.
There's no indigenous capability in that country. And the same is true
of Iran."
"There is a machine that destroys kidney stones inside the body called
a lithotriptor. Siemens sold six lithotriptors to the Iraqis a few
years back. Each lithotriptor contains a small electronic high
performance switch which is the same switch that is used to detonate
nuclear weapons. Saddam wanted to buy about 200 extra switches for
spare parts."
"So in my view, the German exports were even more culpable because they
produced a more nefarious result and generated much less income;
whereas, the French, they were supplying fighter jets..."
I think that these switches are deliberately designed with the "dual
purpose" by Siemens. That medical company, this company who has a
working relationship with the German Secret Service OPC apparently
likes when nuclear weapons are being detonated. I would boycott buying
anything from Siemens.
Tilman Hausherr's cover is blown. You know now who the anti-religious
exrtemist works for.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
The SEGNPMSS wrote:
> "anonymous...@gmail.com" <anonymous...@gmail.com> aka Robert
> Carlson wrote in news:1122349582....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> using the University of Hawaii resources:
>
>
>
> > http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
> Religious Freedom Watch aka Joel Philips' lies collection.
>
> As for the site being factual, Philips even admits on video "they don't
> have that obligation".
>
> Seeing is believing.
>
> http://www.xenutv.com/andreas/index.html
>
> File name: andreas1.rm
> From time index: 09:51.80
>
> Transcript of exchange with Tory Christman and Joel Philips
>
>
> TC: Why won't you take down the lies about me - when they're absolute lies?
>
> JP: You show me where they are. I-i-if (stutters) they're on my site -
>
> TC: They're on "Religious Freedom Watch". That whole site -
>
> JP: Yeah...
>
> TC: Those are lies about me. They are *absolute* lies - four pages of lies!
>
> JP: You prove to me that that's the case.
>
> TC: They're there! There's nothing to prove! You prove to me that it's
> true! They're lies!
>
> JP: (stutters, interjects) I don't have to. We don't have that obligation.
> --
> http://www.geocities.com/segnpmss/
LOL. What is the significance of that toothbrush on the head of that
thing?
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
For heavens sake, Willy Barwell. Those must be your crimes, as you
dramatize them. Ron did not commit them. And you know it. You case
officer told you, he also informed you that Ron was impostored and that
you should accuse Ron on the crimes of the impostor. How disgusting!
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
WCB wrote:
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
> Elron's Racist writings. Hubbard the racist bigot.
>
> The
Forgeries. Ron never made them. Dave Touretzky made racist forgeries.
See, if Ron would have made these racist statements, Dave Touretzky
would like and not attack him, as they would have racist statements in
common. However, Ron did not, and Dave and you other low life forms
attack him.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Forgeries. Ron never made them. Dave Touretzky made racist statements.
Barbara Schwarz
anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is Sami Al-Arian a role model for David Touretzky?
Interesting questions. I think the SEGNPMSS hired him, yes, the German
psychs because they rather want "Jews" as Dave, Rick Ross or Benny Beit
Hallahmi do the religious persecution for them. You know why. One day
they want to say again: "We didn't do it, the Jews did!" And these
alleged Jews and psych trolls don't get it how they are being used.
Barbara Schwarz
WCB
All Hubbard's, all there for anybody to read.
WCB
All Hubbard's. Scattered throuhout his many books for all to read who have
access to them.
WCB
>
>
> WCB wrote:
>> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > jls, looks like your vision is distorted. I see no need to treat
>> > criminals and their criminal supporters with anything that resembles
>> > respect.
>> >
>> > - Anonymous
>>
>> Which is why Scientology gets none.
>>
>> Would you like to duscuss Hubbard's crimes?
>> Bounced checks.
>> Ripping off Jack Parsons.
>> Theft.
>> Fraud.
>> He had to run and hide to avoid the IRS, Justice department and
>> a hundred lawsuits. Had he not ran and hid, he would
>> have gone to prsiosn along with his asshole wife.
>
>
> For heavens sake, Willy Barwell. Those must be your crimes, as you
> dramatize them. Ron did not commit them. And you know it. You case
> officer told you, he also informed you that Ron was impostored and that
> you should accuse Ron on the crimes of the impostor. How disgusting!
Mary Sue did several years in the pen. Hubbard would have joined her buyt
he ran away leaving her holding the bag and hid his sorry ass to avoid
prison, a knock-kneed, yellow pot-belly coward. Left his wife to rot
in prison while he callously divorced her from hiding.
Not much of a man, was he?
chuckb...@aol.com
WCB wrote:
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> INTRODUCTION: THE Q LIST AND BEGINNING OF LOGICS
>
> A lecture given on 10 November 1952
>
> There is an organization known as the police, an organization
> which is addicted to making you do everything you don't want to
> do and preventing you from doing everything you want to do. And
> that is their motto. Their motto is "stop motion." A society --
> Homo sapiens -- in this age could not exist without a very, very
> adequate police force -- tremendously adequate. As a matter of fact,
> there have been much better police forces. The present police
> forces of Earth are a little bit in apathy.
>
> The Mexican police force is the only one I know of that isn't in
> apathy, and it is so completely unregulated and untrammeled that
> it doesn't have to be. They have what they call a ley de fuego,
> which solves all of their police problems. That is to say,
> someone must obey the police, it says in the law-books. They must
> obey the police. And the other thing it says in there: if anyone
> runs, you shoot 'em. So it's a simple method, then, of handling
> anyone suspected, oh, of striking a match, anyone suspected of
> murder -- same order of magnitude in Mexico. All you do is when
> you pick up the suspect you tell him to run: If he doesn't run,
> you shoot him, and if he runs, you shoot him. And so it's very
> effective and very simple.
>
>
>
>
> --
> When I shake my killfile I can hear them buzzing.
Oh man! Love your posts. Better than Scientology jokes.
To believe I sat through how many hundreds of similar
lectures.
There isn't a lecture he's given that doesn't contain
at least one similar gem.
I tell media routinely, just read the first 15 pages
of "The Creation Of Human Ability".
Best, Chuck Beatty
ex-Sea Org (1975-2003)
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05205/542899.stm
412-260-1170 (call after 9pm New York City time;
after 6pm LA time; after 7pm Denver time)
(Call anytime if important!)
Barbara Schwarz
Why should he go to jail for a woman he did not know, who made a
marriage to him up or married an impostor. Would you do that?
Barbara Schwarz
Mikhail Bilinski
news:1122492561.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
You know Barbara, your own case officer must be a complete moron, or, he
is intentionally telling you to spout total crap like you have been. I
really pity you and your multiple personalities.
Barbara schwarz
Sigh, Miki Plummy, I have no case officer. You mix me up with
yourself.
>or, he
> is intentionally telling you to spout total crap like you have been. I
> really pity you and your multiple personalities.
Those are YOUR multiple personalities including your 234.987 sock
puppets.
Barbara Schwarz
>
Robert Carlson
<snip>
Robert Carlson wrote:
<snip>
Scientology doesn't want you to read about L Ron Hubbard's Affirmations.
Robert Carlson
---
Deadbeat dad working for the Church of Scientology's Office of Special
Affairs.
Also know as: Faxhor, anon...@gmail.com, SunSurfer,
classifi...@gmail.com, Jet, etc, etc, etc...
=======================
The purpose of this experiment is to re-establish the ambition, willpower,
desire to survive, the talent and confidence of myself.
To accomplish the above the following fears must be removed:
Fear that I have written myself out by writing junk. I built certain
psychoses in myself while living with my former wife as a means to protect
my writing. I affirmed that my writing was hard work and took much labor.
This was a lie. I was always anxious about people's opinion of me and was
afraid I would bore them. This injected anxiety and careless speed into my
work. I must be convinced that I can write skillfully and well, that I have
no phobias about writing and no fears of it. People criticized my work
bitterly at times. I must be convinced that such people were fools. I must
be convinced that I can write far better than ever before, that a million
people at least would be happy to see my stories. I must be convinced that
I have succeeded in writing and with ease will regain my popularity, which
actually was not small. I must also be convinced that I dictate stories to
a dictaphone with ease.
I must be told that my memory is strong and reliable, that I can remember
all I have ever read or studied, that no illness or medicine has affected
mind or memory.
(b) My service record was not too glorious. I must be convinced that I
suffer no reaction from any minor disciplinary action, that all such were
minor. My service was honorable, my initiative and ability high. I have
nothing to fear from friends about my service. I can forget such things as
Admiral Braystead. Such people are unworthy of my notice.
(c) I can have no doubts of my psychic powers. My magical ability is high
and clear. I earned my titles and command.
(d) Any distaste I may have for Jack Parsons originated in a psychic
experiment. Such distaste is foolish. He is my friend and comrade-in-arms.
(e) Sexual feeling has been depressed by several things amounting to a
major impasse. To cure ulcers of the stomach I was given testosterone and
stilbesterol. These reduced my libido to nothing. While taking these drugs
I fell in love with Sara. She can be most exciting sexually to me. Because
of drugs as above and a hangover from my ex-wife Polly, I sometimes am
unexcited by anything sexual. This depresses me.
My wife left me while I was in a hospital with ulcers. Polly was quite
cruel. She was never a woman for me. She was under-sexed and had bad sexual
habits such as self-laceration done in private. She was no mate for me and
yet I retained much affection for her. It was a terrible blow when she left
me for I was ill and without prospects. I know, by this, she actually
wanted no more than my ability to support her. This has had an effect of
impotency upon me, has badly reduced my ego.
Polly was very bad for me sexually. Because of her coldness physically, the
falsity of her pretensions, I believed myself a near eunuch between 1933
and 1936 or ? when I found I was attractive to other women. I had many
affairs. But my failure to please Polly made me always pay so much
attention to my momentary mate that I derived small pleasure myself. This
was an anxiety neurosis which cut down my natural powers....
I have a very bad masturbatory history.
=======================
Read more of L Ron Hubbard's Affirmations, one of the earliest examples of
OT solo auditing.
http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/nl/english/admissions-hubbard.html
or
http://www.lermanet2.com/reference/Admissions.pdf
Robert Carlson
Where does all the IAS donation money go? Who pays all the Scientology
lawyers, private investigators, hate sites and other organized internet
"campaigns"?
Robert Carlson
Mikhail Bilinski
news:1122510765.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> I wish Mikhail were my boyfriend. I would save money on batteries.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>>
>
>
I told you I don't go that way once already Barbara. I like women.
anonymous...@gmail.com
> I don't read the guy and don't know if he's a pro or con.
> I simply responded to your misrepresentation of law.
>
> If someone is a criminal he has committed a crime.
> What crimes do you say, behind the cloak of your comfy
> anonymity, that this person or persons have committed?
FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
- Anonymous
WCB
> jls wrote:
>> I don't read the guy and don't know if he's a pro or con.
>> I simply responded to your misrepresentation of law.
>>
>> If someone is a criminal he has committed a crime.
>> What crimes do you say, behind the cloak of your comfy
>> anonymity, that this person or persons have committed?
>
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
INTRODUCTION: THE Q LIST AND BEGINNING OF LOGICS
A lecture given on 10 November 1952
There is an organization known as the police, an organization
which is addicted to making you do everything you don't want to
do and preventing you from doing everything you want to do. And
that is their motto. Their motto is "stop motion." A society --
Homo sapiens -- in this age could not exist without a very, very
adequate police force -- tremendously adequate. As a matter of fact,
there have been much better police forces. The present police
forces of Earth are a little bit in apathy.
The Mexican police force is the only one I know of that isn't in
apathy, and it is so completely unregulated and untrammeled that
it doesn't have to be. They have what they call a ley de fuego,
which solves all of their police problems. That is to say,
someone must obey the police, it says in the law-books. They must
obey the police. And the other thing it says in there: if anyone
runs, you shoot 'em. So it's a simple method, then, of handling
anyone suspected, oh, of striking a match, anyone suspected of
murder -- same order of magnitude in Mexico. All you do is when
you pick up the suspect you tell him to run: If he doesn't run,
you shoot him, and if he runs, you shoot him. And so it's very
effective and very simple.
Android Cat
> jls wrote:
>> I don't read the guy and don't know if he's a pro or con.
>> I simply responded to your misrepresentation of law.
>>
>> If someone is a criminal he has committed a crime.
>> What crimes do you say, behind the cloak of your comfy
>> anonymity, that this person or persons have committed?
>
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
Hiding behind shell organizations like the Scientology Parishioners
Committee and relaypoint.com, the Church of Scientology operates a libellous
hate site against its critics at www.religiousfreedomwatch.org aka
www.parishioners.org. (Since Scientology doesn't have parishes, the use of
the word parishioners is part of their attempts to cloak themselves in
mainsteam religious trappings.)
Normally such a site would have attracted libel lawsuits, but since
Scientology is quite willing to spend millions of dollars to harass
individual critics, that would be playing on their field, by their rules.
(As well, since Scientology uses deniable shells, a winning lawsuit might
might, after years of effort and expense, find that the shell suddenly had
only pennies of assets to seize. This has been their standard operating
procedure in many court cases around the world.)
To promote their hate site, Scientology uses individuals who are even more
deniable than their shells. These individuals either use anonymous
remailers to post pastes from the site, or are "judgement-proof" due to
their lack of assets, poor record of sanity, and abuse of free access at
public libraries, universities and schools which are hesitant to cut their
access due to free-speech issues.
So, please do read the RFW site carefully, and ask yourself what kind of
criminally-convicted religion (in Canada among other countries) desperately
needs to smear anyone critical of them as heinous and dangerous criminals,
and yet take the coward's route of hiding behind phoney fronts and dupes
rather than making their claims directly themselves.
--
Ron of that ilk.
"Every aspect of this case demonstrates the very real and persistent malice
of Scientology."
- Supreme Court of Canada, July 20, 1995, Hill v Church of Scientology.
Robert Carlson
> I don't read the guy and don't know if he's a pro or con.
> I simply responded to your misrepresentation of law.
>
> If someone is a criminal he has committed a crime.
> What crimes do you say, behind the cloak of your comfy
> anonymity, that this person or persons have committed?
None. Here's the score according to Android Cat:
===============================
===============================
Barbara Schwarz
that Robert Carlson defamed him on Usenet, despite he never posted here
but just this forger.
It also would not surprise me if Henson would be found as the forger.
Henson forged me before.
Barbara Schwarz
Keith Henson
>"anonymous...@gmail.com" <anonymous...@gmail.com> aka Robert
>Carlson wrote in news:1122349582....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>using the University of Hawaii resources:
>
>> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
>Religious Freedom Watch aka Joel Philips' lies collection.
>
>As for the site being factual, Philips even admits on video "they don't
>have that obligation".
>
>Seeing is believing.
The main reason I asked for Interrogatories was to find who is behind
the extralegal PI attacks on me in real life and on the libel on a.r.s
since an OPP officer has assured me that the PI harassment is someone
in the US involved in a lawsuit against me.
Obviously Faxhor/Robert Carlson gets one served on him through his
brother who is on staff with the Hawaii org to see who controls him.
But what does Robert Carlson do? He mostly cuts and pastes from RFW.
So who or what is behind RFW?
This one is directed to Joel Phillips
PO Box 50744
Pasadena, CA 91115
US
Phone: +1.6265480001
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 1:
http://www.xenutv.com/andreas/index.html
File name: andreas1.rm
From time index: 09:51.80
Transcript of exchange with Tory Christman (TC) and Joel Philips (IP)
TC: Why won't you take down the lies about me - when they're absolute
lies?
JP: You show me where they are. I-i-if (stutters) they're on my site
-
TC: They're on "Religious Freedom Watch". That whole site -
JP: Yeah...
TC: Those are lies about me. They are *absolute* lies - four pages of
lies!
JP: You prove to me that that's the case.
TC: They're there! There's nothing to prove! You prove to me that it's
true! They're lies!
JP: (stutters, interjects) I don't have to. We don't have that
obligation.
Is this transcript an accurate representation of what you said?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 2:
Registrant Info:
and
Administrative Info:
for Domain Name: religiousfreedomwatch.com is
Joel Phillips
PO Box 50744
Pasadena, CA 91115
US
Phone: +1.6265480001
Fax..:
Email: phili...@earthlink.net
Is this information correct?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 3:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 2 is no, supply the correct
Registrant, Administrative, and contact information
______________________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 4:
Billing Info:
Technical Info:
West Coast Internet
Paul Quaranto
34700 Pacific Coast Hwy. Ste. 308
Capistrano Beach, CA 92624
US
Phone: +1.9494873300
Fax..:
Email: dom...@fea.net
Is this information correct?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 5:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 4 is no, supply the correct
Billing, Technical and contact information.
_________________________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 6:
What is the traffic to the Religious Freedom Watch web site? List
last 12 months and last three whole months.
Web hits last 12 months______ Previous months 1st_____ 2nd______
3rd_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 7:
What is the traffic to Religious Freedom Watch pages on Keith Henson?
List last 12 months and last three whole months.
Web hits last 12 months______ Previous months 1st_____ 2nd______
3rd_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 8:
What is the traffic to Religious Freedom Watch pages on David
Touretzky? List last 12 months and last three whole months.
Web hits last 12 months______ Previous months 1st_____ 2nd______
3rd_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 9:
Who is the web master for Religious Freedom Watch?
________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 10:
Who writes the HTML code for Religious Freedom Watch
________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 11:
Who does the search engine optimization for Religious Freedom Watch?
_________________________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 12:
Religious Freedom Watch has IRC logs on some pages. How were those
logs obtained?
___________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 13:
Religious Freedom Watch has IRC logs on some pages. Who obtained
those logs?
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 14:
In regard to these IRC logs were they authenticated?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 15:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 14 is yes, who
authenticated the IRC logs?
______________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 16:
Have you ever had to do an amends project?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 17:
Have you or anyone associate with Religious Freedom Watch ever spoken
to Kendrick Moxon or any one from his office?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 18:
If you answered yes on SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 17 how many times did
you or those concerned with Religious Freedom Watch speak to Kendrick
Moxon or someone from his office in the last year?
____________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 19:
List the people who determine content on Religious Freedom Watch.
__________________
___________________
_________________
_________________
________________
________________
************
As before, if you have ideas for questions, please post or email me.
Keith Henson
anonymous...@gmail.com
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
internet and used to massacre men, women and childres in Oklahoma
City).
activities at the expense of the taxpayer, and whether or not he should
anonymous...@gmail.com
internet and used to massacre men, women and childres in Oklahoma
City).
activities at the expense of the taxpayer, and whether or not he should
be considered a social "expert" of any kind. If you think he should
not, contact your local Senator and Representative and request their
assistance to look into Touretzky's utilization of government funds.
For more information on how to find your Senator or Representative
visit http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov. If you know of
instances of David Touretzky being involved in wasting or misusing of
government funds you can also write to
webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
anonymous...@gmail.com
CANADA ACTS TO DENY ANTI-RELIGIOUS TERRORIST SAFE HARBOR
An apparent scheme by anti-religious extremist Keith Henson
to avoid incarceration in the U.S. by seeking political
refugee status in Canada appears to be backfiring.
In April 2001, the California jury that convicted Henson
of a hate crime failed to reach a consensus on the
additional charge of terrorism brought against him by the
Riverside District Attorney. Evidence that Henson had
for years stalked and harassed Scientology parishioners
and made repeated threats -- all while being a self-
described explosives expert -- was, at that time, deemed
insufficient to earn Henson the label of "terrorist."
Then came September 11th and, just as the man on the
street opened his eyes to the heinous potential of
individuals consumed by hatred, so did governments
worldwide.
Henson's bid to remain in Canada, thereby avoiding a
California jail sentence, has only brought his extremist
activities under closer scrutiny -- but this time, by a
Canadian government determined to ensure that their
country can never be used as a safe harbor by terrorists
of any variety.
According to Canada Immigration documents released on
the Internet, after Henson fled to Canada in May, 2001,
he was arrested and ordered conditionally deported
due to his fugitive from justice status in the U.S.
A Toronto Immigration Review Board Adjudicator thereafter
released Henson on a $10,000 Immigration bond with
numerous conditions. One of the considerations for his
release was the UN policy on the detention of refugee
claimants. Henson had applied for refugee status under
the UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees,
an agreement to which Canada is signatory. However,
subsection F(b) of Article 1 of that Convention reads:
"The provisions of this Convention shall not apply to any
person with respect to whom there are serious reasons
for considering that: (b) he has committed a serious
non-political crime outside the country of refuge prior
to his admission to that country as a refugee."
It seems largely due to this glaring lack of qualification
in Henson's claim that on March 20, 2002, the Minister of
Citizenship and Immigration Canada announced his intention
to intervene in the Convention refugee proceedings of the
claimant, stating:
"The nature of the offence for which Mr. Henson was convicted
is one of implied violence directed toward a particular group,
with the means to carry out the threat. The Canadian
equivalent for that offence is likely that of 'willful
promotion of hatred' at subparagraph 319(2) of the Criminal
Code or that of subparagraph 319(1), 'public incitement of
hatred.'"
However, most telling is the following statement which
indicates just how seriously such offenses, and those who
perpetrate them, are now being regarded by Canadian
officials, post-September 11th:
"Although the present Canadian legislation only provides
for a maximum term of imprisonment of two years,
the Minister will argue that it constitutes a serious
offence, when viewed within the totality of the
evidence, and in view of the proposed Anti-terrorism
Act."
With regard to the proposed Anti-terrorism Act, the Minister
specifically cited several proposed amendments to the
Criminal Code of Canada, one of which would:
"...create a new offence of mischief motivated by bias,
prejudice or hate based on race, religion, color, or
national or ethnic origin, committed against a place
of religious worship or associated religious property.
This offence would be subject to a maximum penalty of 10
years when prosecuted on indictment, or to a maximum
penalty of eighteen months on summary conviction."
The Minister urged the Panel to "take these proposed
amendments into consideration when assessing the nature
and quality of the claimants' actions in the USA in
determining whether exclusion is warranted."
The Minister's Counsel, acting on his behalf, further stated
"...there is extensive information which shows that Mr. Henson
had engaged in many activities which would comprise other
offences under the Criminal Code of Canada, namely:
81(1) using explosives;
82(1) possession of explosives without lawful excuse
176(1) obstructing or violence to clergyman
176(2) disturbing religious worship or certain meetings
181 spreading false news
264(1) criminal harassment
264.1(1)(a) utter death threats
265(1)(b) attempts/ threatens assault
318(1) advocating genocide
346(1) extortion
"The Minister's position is that the claimant's persistence,
his single-mindedness exhibited against a particular group,
the failure to cease harmful actions despite legal
prohibitions, the impact statements of the members of the
group, when viewed together, show that the claimant
committed a serious, non-political crime prior to entering
Canada.
"The Minister's position is that, the specific nature of
Mr. Henson's actions are such that they could be regarded
as offences under Canadian criminal law, and their
cumulative effect sufficiently egregious to warrant
exclusion under F(b) of Article 1 of the Convention."
In further asserting the "non-political" nature of Henson's
crime, the Minister's Counsel stated:
"Evidence exists that Mr. Henson had embarked upon a pattern
of activity designed to cease the operation of the Church
of Scientology in the USA. While he may characterize his
actions as being politically-motivated, the Minister's
evidence shows that the US criminal and judiciary systems
found no basis for his allegations against the Scientology
foundation.
"Indeed, the California court effectively found that Mr.
Henson's actions constituted a dangerous form of harassment
rather than the exercise of free speech. His actions
against the organization were legally characterised as a
common criminal offence, rather than political ones.
"Other than exercising free speech, there is no compelling
evidence that Mr. Henson attempted to use the democratic
systems in order to effect change. There is information
to indicate that his activities were a hobby, a means of
self-expression, motivated by a need for publicity and for
personal gain rather than a genuine, political aim."
The Minister also found Henson's refugee claim to lack
credibility, stating:
"Mr. Henson's Convention refugee claim is based upon
alleged harassment by the Scientology foundation in the
USA. However, the converse was found in a court of law
in the USA: that Scientology members were criminally
harassed by Mr. Henson....
"...Moreover, information in the Minister's possession
indicates that the claimant did not enter Canada with
the intention of making Convention refugee claim, but
only did so upon the advice of his friends. Mr. Henson
is attributed as saying, 'I actually came up here for a
different reason. I came up here to picket for another
cause. And there was so much trolling and so much
interest that we said, 'why not' [May 23, 2001, Internet
article by [name redacted]]."
Such scams are not new to the anti-religious extremist
movement. Honesty is not the stock-in-trade of those
who associate with racists, such as close Henson associate,
Arnaldo Lerma, who is himself allied with Neo-Nazi leader
Willis Carto, and United Anarchist Party leader, Bill White.
The Minister indicated with the following statement that
a darker motive may lie behind Henson's harassment of
Scientology:
"There is also an issue about whether the claimants'
statements and activities in relation to his stance
on Scientology is actually leverage to compel funds
from that organization."
A close associate of Henson is "deprogrammer" Rick Ross,
who has been convicted of felony Grand Theft Embezzlement.
Attempts by extremists and extremist organizations to
extort money from the Church of Scientology is covered
on the Anti-Religious Extremist section of this site
(see Gerald Armstrong, Graham Berry, Michael Pattinson,
Steven Fishman, Larry Wollersheim, most of whom are also
close Henson associates.)
But it is in recognizing Henson's actions as terrorism that
the Canadian government takes a bold, decisive step toward
ensuring both the personal safety of its citizens and their
right to freedom of worship.
In an opinion with regard to Keith Henson and the legal
definition of terrorism, Counsel for the Department of
Justice, Canada, Immigration Law Section, stated:
"Under this definition [C-36, the Anti-terrorism Act I,
Clause E] ...Henson's actions can be seen to be for a
religious or ideological purpose. The actions could
also be seen to be intentionally committed for the
purpose of intimidating a segment of the public -
the Church of Scientology. The threat to blow up the
Church of Scientology and to kill the organization may
be seen as a serious threat to cause death, bodily harm,
and a risk to health or safety, property damage and/or a
serious interference with an essential service so as to
constitute terrorist activity."
[Note: Per the prior opinion, 83.2001(1) of the Anti-
terrorism Act, which defines "terrorist activity,"
came into force on December 18, 2001.]
In summary, the Minister's Counsel stated that "It is the
Minister's position that the present claim is an effort
to elude the administration of justice in the USA and
as such may be viewed as a claim of convenience."
In acting swiftly and decisively to recommend excluding
Keith Henson from refugee status consideration, due to his
non-qualification under the Convention and with regard to
his terrorist status, the Government of Canada demonstrates
its commitment to religious freedom and sets an example for
democratic nations world-over.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/henson_cn1.html
WCB
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
Elron's Racist writings. Hubbard the racist bigot.
The South African native is probably the one impossible person
to train in the entire world? he is probably impossible by any
human standard.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September 1957.
....
...it is easily seen that a primary requisite in any program of the
rehabilitation of the Bantu in South Africa would be mental health...
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB April 1960, "The Scientific Treatment of the Insane"
The South African Rundown, the only Scientology rundown targeted at a
specific ethnic group, was developed for "delivery to South Africans, those
who
reside in South Africa as well as those who have emigrated to other parts of
the world". Hubbard apparently felt they required special processing because
they were "untrainable" and "insane".
The Church's auditing tool, the E-meter, requires adjustment in order to
accommodate
the needle's larger movements because of the intensity of a Bantu's
undisclosed
transgressions ("withholds").
A "black South African's" withholds read not only on the needle [of the
E-meter]
alone but on the Tone Arm [sensitivity adjustment] as well.
-L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, section I: "Meter Oddities", 1988 (pg.
24)
...
Because the one thing, the very, very commercial little culture the Bantu
has
... the idea of commerce and money and that sort of thing is very deeply
ingrained in these people.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, "Errors in Time", 18
July 1963
Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought is one of Scientology's basic
public
texts and has this to say about African "savages":
Just as individuals can be seen, by observing nations, so we see the African
tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on
brutality
and savagery for others but not for himself, is a no-civilization.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
It was republished in 1997, perpetuating Hubbard's racist view of Africans.
...
...the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no
madhouses
provided by his tribe.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Bridge
Publications,
Los Angeles, 1995.
The Church runs security checks on members suspected of certain criminal
behaviors.
The Johannesburg Security Check was "the roughest security check in
Scientology"
and consisted of a series of pointed questions which the Scientologist must
answer
while on the E-meter (used in this case not as an auditing tool but as a lie
detector). The contents of this security check were later incorporated into
The
Only Valid Security Check. Included in the list of "crimes" is engaging in
an
intimate relationship with a member of a "colored" race. Selected portion of
the questions:
Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another color?
Have you ever committed culpable homicide?
Have you ever bombed anything?
Have you ever murdered anyone?
Have you ever kidnapped anyone?
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter (HCOPL) 7
April 1961, "Johannesburg Security Check"
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy "Letter (HCOPL)
22 May 1961, "The Only Valid Security Check"
---------
There are hints that Scientology membership was limited to whites, at least
initially, in the orgs of southern Africa. In the first quote, Hubbard is
concerned about the World Bank taking control of England and the general
advance of Communism. He believes a stronghold of civilization can be set
up in Africa to ensure the survival of white Anglo-American culture. In
the second quote, Hubbard praises the South African org, that, in spite
of the limited white population from which to recruit, managed to outproduce
all other Scientology orgs.
Now if we can get white population, immigrants and big companies and so on
moving
into Africa and if we can get with that Scientology well established in
Southern
Africa, why we can then look forward to a salvage operation base, in case
the
northern hemisphere's lights go out.
-L. Ron Hubbard, recorded talk to the Saint Hill staff about Rhodesia, 6 May
1966
As South Africa has a white population of only 2.8 million or thereabouts,
you
can see that every other central organization in the world has been
out-created.
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 17 July 1959, "Africa over the Top"
Hubbard sought to create a Scientology homeland in South Africa or Rhodesia
(Zimbabwe).
The Church claims it opposed the white minority governments (yet most of its
activity
in the early years took place in colonial states where whites ruled and
English was
the official language: England, United States, Australia, South Africa,
Rhodesia);
Hubbard, however, appears to have thought the problem of apartheid was
overstated.
-------------
It is considered in England and the United States that the Government of
South Africa
is altogether too harsh with its native peoples. It is sadly humorous to
notice that
the native in South Africa, however, holds an exactly reverse opinion and
the fault
he finds with the South African Government is that it is far too lenient in
its
administration of laws throughout the native populace.
-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 96, "Justice", 15 September 1956
------------
The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is no
native
problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England!
...
The South African government is not a police state. It's easier on people
than
the United States government!
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin (HCOB) 10 October
1960
(quoted in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid by Chris Owen)
----------------
Hubbard praises the South African government's handling of the black slums
in Johannesburg:
Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may
I state that you have
conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the
most impressive and
adequate resettlement activity in existence.
L. Ron Hubbard, Letter to South African Apartheid Government, 7 November
1960, Johannesburg; reprinted
in K.T.C. Kotzé, Inquiry into the Effects and Practices of Scientology,
Pretoria, 1973 (as quoted by
Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid)
-------------
Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives
of the tribe of the Bugga-Bugga-Booga-Boogas down in Lower Bugga-Wugga
Booga-Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red
flags today and revolting against their central government.
Well, the British Tommy that went down there with his Snider, or his
Lee-Enfield, and brought them higher education in the first place was
only occasionally followed by anybody who taught them anything. And
they didn't learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture
rapidly.
They've been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know,
dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level
of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.
-L. Ron Hubbard, The Study Tapes, "Study: Evaluation and Information",
lecture given 11 August 1964
-----------------------------
You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself
a nigger; that's what they're born for.
-L Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb
--------------------------------
Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south,
where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost
and the wagon and the whip and anything around there?a hat. They talk
to them, you know. "What'sa mattuh wi' you hat?" They imbue them with
personality.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80, Part I, "Route to
Infinity", 21 May 1952
-----------------------
Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can
get
attention from matter or objects.
...
The white goes further. He often believes he can get attention only from
whites and that yellow and brown people's attention is worthless. Thus
the yellow and brown races are not very progressive, but, by and large,
saner.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
------------------------------
Now we say there's, well, another place in the world?there's India.
Wonderful place ? except for its people.
-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Control of Hysteria" (lecture), 15 April 1957.
--------------------------------
In North Africa they had the Arab with the gun and whip, but he could
force people to do things a gun and a whip [sic] and he accomplished
a tremendous amount of extermination, but he certainly didn't advance
that civilization very much.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September
1957, as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill
Organization) (as quoted by Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for
Apartheid)
-------------------------------
He's [the Arab] been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he
lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He's been going
crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about
the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.
This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been
eating death for a very long time and it is death.
The Arab is to a point where he won't even follow a decent leader.
He's got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration
and bigotry. Then he'll follow him.
...the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem
and disease and poverty and political unrest.
-L. Ron Hubbard, 20th Advanced Clinical Course, "Case Analysis rock
Hunting",
lecture of 4 August 1958
---------------------------------------
Hubbard on Egyptians:
Past civilizations have vanished, you see...Hindi, Greek, Roman,
European, they did vanish. These little beaten-down peasants you
see in France were once the proud Romans. Those small brown men w
ho sell their sisters on the streets of Cairo were once the mighty
Egyptians.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Ability, issue 56, October 1957, quoted in Winning
("News Journal of the Office of Special Affairs") vol.1, iss.3, 1997
(quoted in a.r.s. post by Peter Lucey)
-------------------------------------------
Hubbard on Jews
Furthermore, [Sigmund Freud] had a racial fixation on sex, a
fixation sufficiently pronounced to cause it to infect contagiously
all modern European stock.
-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 92, "A Critique of Psychoanalysis", 10 July 1956
------------------------------------------------
This is the only way I know of to keep Anzo from being deluged with Asiatic
hordes.
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Information Letter, "Anzo Supplement", 17 February 1969
----------------------------------
Japanese is a baby talk ? very, very hard to read, very, very, easy to talk.
... A very faint kind of language.
-L. Ron Hubbard, New Slant on Life, Bridge Publications, 1997.
------------------------------------
One of the reasons they [the Japanese] have bad eyesight is
probably these microscopic characters [furigana] which have
many lines and strokes to them. ... We wonder why they went
mad and bombed Pearl Harbor when they knew they couldn't win.
That [the Japanese language] would be a reason.
-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Part Played by the Analytical Mind" (
lecture), 19 July 1950 (as quoted by Anthony Roberts in a.r.s. post)
-----------------------------------------
A science of mind is a goal which has engrossed thousands of
generations of Man. Armies, dynasties and whole civilizations have
perished for the lack of it. Rome went to dust for the want of it.
China swims in blood for the need of it; and down in the arsenal
is an atom bomb, its hopeful nose full-armed in ignorance of it.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,
Chapter 1: "The Scope of Dianetics", Church of Scientology of
California Publication Organization, Los Angeles, CA, 1950
-----------------------------------------------
When this government [Chiang Kaishek's] finally fell there was
no one ready to teach the Chinese the human way of life.
-L. Ron Hubbard, The Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin, Vol. 2, No.
1, "Education and the Auditor", July 1951
And we see at the other extreme China, slavishly dedicated to
ancient scholars, incapable of generating within herself sufficient
rulers to continue, without bloodshed, a nation.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Fundamentals of Thought, Chapter "Causation and
Knowledge", Section "Civilization and Savagery", page 113-114, 1997.
You can put these things into the hands of some Chinese and send
him to Hong Kong and we'll have cleared chinks.
-L. Ron Hubbard, tape 5211C06A LS-1, "Methods of Research - The
Thetan as an Energy Unit"; also known as "Secrets of the MEST
Universe", lecture 1)
...[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to
overrun any white country in any way except by intermarriage.
One American marine could stand off a great many yellowmen
without much effort.
A Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down.
They smell of all the baths they didn't take.
The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.
-L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- hate
post got buried underr all the turd seeker spams.
Robert Carlson
=========================
Read more of L Ron Hubbard's Affirmations, one of the earliest examples of
OT solo auditing.
http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/nl/english/admissions-hubbard.html
or
http://www.lermanet2.com/reference/Admissions.pdf
I really do love the Affirmations.
Robert Carlson
=========================
Robert Carlson
Robert Carlson
will be cleared of my reactive mind. Until that day comes, I will be
inspired by a man who traveled terra incognita to develop one of the
earliest forms of Scientology counselling, called "Affirmations".
=========================
=========================
L Ron Hubbard's Affirmations inspire me!
mail.com
Henson) wrote:
> As before, if you have ideas for questions, please post
> or email me.
Have you considered trying to ask Ken Hoden why he purjured
himself while defaming you? While he is not directly connected to
the PI assaulting you (as far as anyone knows), he is partly
responsible for you being required to seek political asylum in
Canada.
> Keith Henson
---
http://lastliberal.org / I support privatization of religion.
Free random & sequential signature changer http://holysmoke.org/sig
"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being
oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice
what [religion] they do." -- D. Dale Gulledge
Barbara Schwarz
WCB wrote:
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> > http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
> >
>
> Elron's
Forgeries.
And in your world these racist statements that Dave Touretzky made are
alright, Barwell?
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Robert Carlson wrote:
> =========================
>
> The purpose
Another forgery.
The trail of the forger of Robert Carlson (who never posted on ARS but
ist just forged) leads to Portland, Oregon. And I remember Baby
YGibson, a hatefilled anti-religous boy who wrote that he is not even
through high school yet, was posting on ARS also from there.
Let's pull some more strings and shall the parents go to prison and
lets send Baby Gibson to a Brat Camp.
Barbara Schwarz
Keith Henson
Rice, Esq.) wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:47:46 GMT, hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith
>Henson) wrote:
>
>> As before, if you have ideas for questions, please post
>> or email me.
>
>Have you considered trying to ask Ken Hoden why he purjured
>himself while defaming you? While he is not directly connected to
>the PI assaulting you (as far as anyone knows), he is partly
>responsible for you being required to seek political asylum in
>Canada.
Hoden might be connected to the Canadian PI. I have information from
an OPP officer that the client of the second level PI firm claimed to
be "involved" in a lawsuit against me.
That means interrogatories go to RTC, Hoden, Dezotell, Wagoner, and
the US Trustee plus all the attorneys who are or have been of record
for all of these people, Kobrin & Moxon, Rosen, David Cook, and a
considerable list of others.
Of course Hoden gets interrogatory questions about his testimony in
the criminal trial.
I wrote a good deal about it to Judge Wallerstein.
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/55612ec293d6d5af?hl=en&
Of course that was before I was told by a county official just how
corrupt the entire process had been.
I sure wish I could find him. Depending on his circumstances he might
be willing to talk. (Like if he has cancer and is not going to live
long.)
Keith Henson
Swamp Sensei
news:1122933094.2...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Have I got this straight? This Robert Carlson who never posted .. was
forged? And people followed him back to who he was by posts that he never
made?
You need to increase your Thorium dosage bag-lady.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Swamp Sensei wrote:
> "Barbara Schwarz" <Stilllov...@myway.com> wrote in message
> news:1122933094.2...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Robert Carlson wrote:
> >> =========================
> >>
> >> The purpose
> >
> > Another forgery.
> >
> > The trail of the forger of Robert Carlson (who never posted on ARS but
> > ist just forged) leads to Portland, Oregon. And I remember Baby
> > YGibson, a hatefilled anti-religous boy who wrote that he is not even
> > through high school yet, was posting on ARS also from there.
> >
> > Let's pull some more strings and shall the parents go to prison and
> > lets send Baby Gibson to a Brat Camp.
>
> Have I got this straight?
Is that little criminal brat your son? Gee, what a bad parent!
>This Robert Carlson who never posted .. was
> forged?
Right. Robert Carlson exists but never posted here, only a forger that
tries to defame that gentleman. Ask your son for details.
> You need to increase your Thorium dosage bag-lady.
My guess is that you are on drugs and are living in garbage can when
you allow your son (not even through school) to forge and libel other
people. Not your son might go to jail, you too. You are reponsible for
his criminal acts.
Barbara Schwarz
barb
Who is Godeka, and what is his connection to the Portland OR org?
And why did he shoot up the org like that?
Could it be because they wouldn't give him thousands of dollars in
refund that he asked for?
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
mail.com
Henson) wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:27:32 GMT, desertphile@hot mail.com (David
> Rice, Esq.) wrote:
> >Have you considered trying to ask Ken Hoden why he purjured
> >himself while defaming you? While he is not directly connected to
> >the PI assaulting you (as far as anyone knows), he is partly
> >responsible for you being required to seek political asylum in
> >Canada.
> Hoden might be connected to the Canadian PI. I have information from
> an OPP officer that the client of the second level PI firm claimed to
> be "involved" in a lawsuit against me.
That surprises me. I thought Hoden is (er, was) Sea Org and not
GO/OSA.
> That means interrogatories go to RTC, Hoden, Dezotell, Wagoner, and
> the US Trustee plus all the attorneys who are or have been of record
> for all of these people, Kobrin & Moxon, Rosen, David Cook, and a
> considerable list of others.
>
> Of course Hoden gets interrogatory questions about his testimony in
> the criminal trial.
>
> I wrote a good deal about it to Judge Wallerstein.
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/55612ec293d6d5af?hl=en&
>
> Of course that was before I was told by a county official just how
> corrupt the entire process had been.
>
> I sure wish I could find him. Depending on his circumstances he might
> be willing to talk. (Like if he has cancer and is not going to live
> long.)
Questions for Mr. Hoden:
1) Did Jairus C. Godeka enter the United States on a "Religious
Worker" Visa at the behest of Scientology Inc.?
2) Given the context in which your testimony regarding Jairus C.
Godeka strongly implied Godeka was a "religious bigot" and his
shooting was a "hate crime," why did you neglect to also testify
that he was a long-term Scientology customer?
3) Did you know that your testimony regarding Godeka was false
when you asserted someone died in that crime?
anonymous...@gmail.com
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
Barbara Schwarz
http://no-terror.wirewalk.com/
Cyberterrorism
Then there are a number of people who promote all forms of terrorism
by placing instructions on how to make illegal explosives on the
Internet, some even encouraging their use in schools, against law
enforcement officials or others.
Many of these people mirror or post webpages which were found by them
elsewhere and are simply copied to their own site. While most of these
people do not divulge their identities, a few are proud to do so. Some
attempt to shield themselves legally by stating that they are publicly
revealing the instructions as a First Amendment issue, ignoring the
moral implications of their actions.
First Amendment right to spread Terrorism
Probably the most infamous is a Carnegie Mellon University professor,
David Touretzky, who is continuing to mirror a website originally put
up by Sherman Austin, an anarchist who was arrested by the FBI and is
now in prison for putting the bomb instructions on his website.
Although the FBI was able to get Austin to take down his site,
Touretzky still has it on the official Carnegie Mellon University
website.
But not only did this professor put up the site but he even went
further and added his own instructions and other information on atom
bomb construction.
Carnegie Mellon University apparently is very familiar with this site
and defended it as a first amendment expression.
WPXI.com - Target 11 - CMU Professor's Web Site Causing Controversy
The Tartan - Author of explosives guide may serve jail time; CMU
professor supports him
Carnegie Mellon University is a major taxpayer-subsidized university
which continues to allow the professor to spread bomb making
information on the university's system to anyone; and the above news
story shows the university is aware of the website.
Taxpayers Supporting Cyberterrorism
While Touretzky placed "disclaimers" on the university site to not
follow their easy instructions and make the bombs, it doesn't change
the fact that teenagers, terrorist wannabes, and school shooters can
easily find and could use these instructions to make bombs and
potentially kill others or themselves.
A quick search of Yahoo shows very high ranking of Touretzky's and
Carnegie Mellon's bomb-making section, meaning those pages have been
linked from more web sites and "clicked-through" more often in searches
for explosives information:
Fuel fertilizer explosives N. 1 rank
Drano bomb N. 1
Molotov cocktail N. 5 rank
Homemade explosives N. 10
Carnegie Mellon University and government funding bodies that are
supporting this university and Touretzky should be alerted to this
problem.
Public funding should be revoked if the university continues to refuse
to do anything about its bomb promoting professor.
It is of concern and disturbing to see how easy it is for kids (and
anyone else) to find bomb making materials on the web and I thought
this outrage ought to be exposed. One teenager in his basement posting
stuff from a book is scary enough but when a college's website which
clearly shows .edu in the URL is used and bomb making instruction are
given the academic imprimatur, then it is no longer a personal issue.
I think you'll agree this isn't a First Amendment issue but rather
a security issue. And the most disturbing issue is why the university
has apparently refused to shut down this do-it-yourself-death site and
taken disciplinary actions against the professor who put it up.
It is your tax money that is funding such a form of cyberterrorism.
Mikhail Bilinski
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> Swamp Sensei wrote:
>> "Barbara Schwarz" <Stilllov...@myway.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122933094.2...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Robert Carlson wrote:
>> >> =========================
>> >>
>> >> The purpose
>> >
>> > Another forgery.
>> >
>> > The trail of the forger of Robert Carlson (who never posted on ARS
but
>> > ist just forged) leads to Portland, Oregon. And I remember Baby
>> > YGibson, a hatefilled anti-religous boy who wrote that he is not
even
>> > through high school yet, was posting on ARS also from there.
>> >
>> > Let's pull some more strings and shall the parents go to prison and
>> > lets send Baby Gibson to a Brat Camp.
>>
>> Have I got this straight?
>
> Is that little criminal brat your son? Gee, what a bad parent!
>
>
>>This Robert Carlson who never posted .. was
>> forged?
>
> Right. Robert Carlson exists but never posted here, only a forger that
> tries to defame that gentleman. Ask your son for details.
>
>
>> You need to increase your Thorium dosage bag-lady.
>
> My guess is that I am on heavy drugs and are living in garbage can.
> I am completely out of my mind, and I love to forge and libel other
> people. I won't go to jail, I will go to a rubber room for the
> criminally insane.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
>
My guess is that several people are using Barbara's singular personality
to post. I like an earlier suggestion to have the SLC police check up
on her...Quick before $cn can first.
classifi...@gmail.com
WCB
> FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
INTRODUCTION: THE Q LIST AND BEGINNING OF LOGICS
A lecture given on 10 November 1952
There is an organization known as the police, an organization
which is addicted to making you do everything you don't want to
do and preventing you from doing everything you want to do. And
that is their motto. Their motto is "stop motion." A society --
Homo sapiens -- in this age could not exist without a very, very
adequate police force -- tremendously adequate. As a matter of fact,
there have been much better police forces. The present police
forces of Earth are a little bit in apathy.
The Mexican police force is the only one I know of that isn't in
apathy, and it is so completely unregulated and untrammeled that
it doesn't have to be. They have what they call a ley de fuego,
which solves all of their police problems. That is to say,
someone must obey the police, it says in the law-books. They must
obey the police. And the other thing it says in there: if anyone
runs, you shoot 'em. So it's a simple method, then, of handling
anyone suspected, oh, of striking a match, anyone suspected of
murder -- same order of magnitude in Mexico. All you do is when
you pick up the suspect you tell him to run: If he doesn't run,
you shoot him, and if he runs, you shoot him. And so it's very
effective and very simple.
LOGICS 1-7
A lecture given on 10 November 1952
There is no more madder nation than Japan. And you walk down the
street in Japan and you say to some Japanese, "Blah-d-blah,
blither-blither," something of the sort. And he says, "I withhold
my foul breath from your face," and "Yes," and so on. And he goes
on down the street. And you told him that you were on your way
home and you wanted him to go on to the office. And he took it
that you were on your way to the office and you wanted to go
home.
It's supposed to be a terribly hard language. It's not a hard
language. It's as simple as baby talk, really. It's an awfully
easy language in terms of languages. Some of the Malay languages
are a little bit rough.
But in katakana you have this great big character, which is a
Chinese character, and then you have the little katakana stuff up
at the corner of it (if I'm using the proper terms on this; it's
been years since I ran into this stuff).
Anyway, they've got the character and then they say how it's
pronounced in Japanese. But do you know that two Japanese can
stand together and converse with each other for a little while
and then all of a sudden find out they're talking about two
entirely different things, and with a great surprise find this
out, and they promptly break out their pencils and pieces of
paper, and they draw the Chinese character for the proper words
they're using. "Oh. Oh, I understand; that's very good. Yeah,
very good, yeah. I so solly. Yeah." Whee! That's a rough one.
They identify. And you will find that they're perfectly happy to
do that. It makes bad communication. And they're perfectly happy
to have bad communication. They don't want anything better than
that. If you went in there and tried to straighten their language
out and give them new words to support these, why, they'd be
upset with you as all could be.
Now, you take katakana is, I think, if I remember rightly, some
forty-seven characters -- just sort of fishing this out of the hat.
It's been ages since I ran into this. Anyway, some forty-seven
characters, something like that. And when they write them all
down they don't space anything -- when they're just a stream of
characters. There's no spaces that separate any of the words they
represent. And boy, that sentence can read any way. It can read
"The boy milked the cow" or it can read "Dogs are forbidden
here" or it can read "The steamer will sail at nine." They don't
care. Well, you just sort of infer from the surroundings what
it's all about.
And that nation has the highest rate of suicide, has the highest
rate of thick-lens glasses and did the most suicidal trick a few
years ago. It's the doggonedest country.
classifi...@gmail.com
classifi...@gmail.com
Barbara Schwarz
Wonder also how many Keith Henson bodies float through space and
endanger the space shuttles. Does NASA know? :)
Barbara Schwarz
KEITH HENSON (continued)
Background Information
In 1982, as part of the divorce proceedings between Henson and then
wife Carolyn Meinel, Carolyn filed a signed affidavit of her expenses
that Henson needed to cover as part of his spousal support. Listed
under medical expenses were:
"$6,000 since May 1981 includes [an] operation and four-day hospital
stay [for one of his daughters]; ... psychological counseling for [two
of his daughters] as a result of father's sexual molestation of them."
Also in the case file was a note that Henson molested his two oldest
daughters, at the time 12 and 13. Carolyn requested that Henson be
jailed if he did not receive psychological counseling on the matter.
In 1987 Henson developed an interest in cryonics (the practice of
freezing dead bodies in the belief that scientists will revive them
sometime in the future). Henson, his wife and his two-year old daughter
signed up with Alcor Life Extension Foundation, the organization that
handles the freezing and storage of bodies or heads. Henson himself
took part in the procedure of freezing people's bodies.
In that same year, Henson founded the Far Edge Committee. The group's
sole purpose was to plan the "Far Edge Party", a gathering of
"downloaded multiple selves" (assuming one could make many copies of
oneself and download them into space) that was to be held in the
far-off future on the other side of the Milky Way.
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Barbara Schwarz
My guess, delusional Keith Henson multiplied me in space, and now I am
cloned and take over ARS from all ends. It's all Henson's fault. And
yours of course, Mark Plummer. Why? Because I say so. :)
Android Cat
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>> also write to webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
>>
>> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>
>
> http://no-terror.wirewalk.com/
> Cyberterrorism
Your link doesn't show what you claim it does. Try this one:
http://barbara-is-a-compulsive-usenet-kook.wirewalk.com/
--
Ron of that ilk.
Barbara Schwarz
Android Cat wrote:
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> also write to webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
> >>
> >> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
> >
> >
> > http://no-terror.wirewalk.com/
> > Cyberterrorism
>
> Your link doesn't show what you claim it does.
It once worked as I was there myself.
> Try this one:
>
> http://barbara-is-a-compulsive-usenet-kook.wirewalk.com/
This one got changed in
> http://RonSharp-is-a-compulsive-hypocrite-usenet-kook.wirewalk.com/
Barbara Schwarz
Android Cat
> Android Cat wrote:
>> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> also write to webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> http://no-terror.wirewalk.com/
>>> Cyberterrorism
>>
>> Your link doesn't show what you claim it does.
>
> It once worked as I was there myself.
Yes, but you also say you were in an underwater fantasy village in the Great
Salt Lake.
So which school or library are you abusing tonight?
anonymous...@gmail.com
- Anonymous
Android Cat
> Ron Sharp only leaves behind his legacy of a troll.
Say cheese Robert. Thanks.
Looks like rain tonight.
Keith Henson
wrote:
snip
>Obviously Faxhor/Robert Carlson gets one served on him through his
>brother who is on staff with the Hawaii org to see who controls him.
snip
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 1:
Put a check mark by the names have you used when posting to Usenet
news groups or when adding content to the Wikipedia?
Faxhor
AI
(more)
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 2:
What other names have you posted or added content to the Wikipedia
under?
_______________________________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 3:
Where do you live? Telephone number?
__________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 4:
How do you support yourself?
_______________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 5:
Who, if anyone, gives you suggestions or orders about what you should
post?
______________________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 7:
Is Steve Carlson your brother?
Yes___ No___
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 8:
Is Steve Carlson a staff member at a Hawaii scientology organization?
Yes___ No___
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 9:
Were you married to Jan Carlson (Inafuku)
Yes___ No___
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 10:
Is Kaitlyn Ann Carlson DOB 12-5-94 your daughter?
Yes___ No___
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 11:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 10 is yes, do you provide
for her support?
Yes___ No___
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 12:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 11 is yes, how much?
____________/month
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 13:
Have you reposted material from www.ReligiousFreedomWatch.com?
Yes___ No___
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 14:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 13 is yes, did you take any
steps to verify the material you reposted was not libelous?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 15:
Were you on staff with a Hawaii scientology organization?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 16:
If the answer to SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 15 is yes, what dates?
_____________________
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 17:
Have you ever had to do an amends project?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 18:
Have you ever spoken to Kendrick Moxon or any one from his office?
Yes____ No_____
SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 19:
If you answered yes on SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 18 how many times did
you speak to Kendrick Moxon or someone from his office in the last
year?
____________
As before, if you have ideas for questions, please post or email me.
I really appreciate the ideas I have been getting.
Keith Henson
Robert Carlson
=====================
Hiding behind shell organizations like the Scientology Parishioners
Committee and relaypoint.com, the Church of Scientology operates a
libellous hate site against its critics at www.religiousfreedomwatch.org
aka www.parishioners.org. (Since Scientology doesn't have parishes, the use
of the word parishioners is part of their attempts to cloak themselves in
mainsteam religious trappings.)
Normally such a site would have attracted libel lawsuits, but since
Scientology is quite willing to spend millions of dollars to harass
individual critics, that would be playing on their field, by their rules.
(As well, since Scientology uses deniable shells, a winning lawsuit might
might, after years of effort and expense, find that the shell suddenly had
only pennies of assets to seize. This has been their standard operating
procedure in many court cases around the world.)
To promote their hate site, Scientology uses individuals who are even more
deniable than their shells. These individuals either use anonymous
remailers to post pastes from the site, or are "judgement-proof" due to
their lack of assets, poor record of sanity, and abuse of free access at
public libraries, universities and schools which are hesitant to cut their
access due to free-speech issues.
So, please do read the RFW site carefully, and ask yourself what kind of
criminally-convicted religion (in Canada among other countries) desperately
needs to smear anyone critical of them as heinous and dangerous criminals,
and yet take the coward's route of hiding behind phoney fronts and dupes
rather than making their claims directly themselves.
=====================
I'll vouch for that.
And, Ron, doesn't my church have a unique reputation in Canada?
Robert Carlson
According to Ron:
Robert Carlson
pedophile? Don't pedophiles have rights? What's wrong with having sex with
children?
Robert Carlson
Robert Carlson
Feisty
"Keith Henson" <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:42f6e8bc...@nntp.broadband.rogers.com...
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:47:46 GMT, hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith Henson)
> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >Obviously Faxhor/Robert Carlson gets one served on him through his
> >brother who is on staff with the Hawaii org to see who controls him.
>
> snip
>
> SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 1:
>
> Put a check mark by the names have you used when posting to Usenet
> news groups or when adding content to the Wikipedia?
>
> Faxhor
> anonymous...@gmail.com
Was this phrase quoted by the same person more than once on the internet, and what is the
source?
Faxhor 25 Nov 2004 00:38:51
"David G. Post, co-director of the Cyberspace Law Institute at Georgetown University,
said, "Unless this judge were willing to completely rewrite copyright law for
cyberspace...
www.gyxe.com/discussion/44-411-can-you-sue-someone-for-calling-you-a-pedophile-read.shtml
Android Cat
> "Keith Henson" <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:42f6e8bc...@nntp.broadband.rogers.com...
>> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:47:46 GMT, hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith Henson)
>> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>>> Obviously Faxhor/Robert Carlson gets one served on him through his
>>> brother who is on staff with the Hawaii org to see who controls him.
>>
>> snip
>>
>> SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 1:
>>
>> Put a check mark by the names have you used when posting to Usenet
>> news groups or when adding content to the Wikipedia?
>>
>> Faxhor
>> anonymous...@gmail.com
>
> Was this phrase quoted by the same person more than once on the
> internet, and what is the source?
>
> Faxhor 25 Nov 2004 00:38:51
> "David G. Post, co-director of the Cyberspace Law Institute at
> Georgetown University, said, "Unless this judge were willing to
> completely rewrite copyright law for cyberspace...
> www.gyxe.com/discussion/44-411-can-you-sue-someone-for-calling-you-a-pedophile-read.shtml
There were a couple of times that he posted from non-UofH addresses -- SOHO
business IPs of no particular identity, as I recall. (This was before the
.. sport .. of imitation by some people, so I'm inclined to believe that
they were valid faxhor ports.)
ross.in...@gmail.com
I have never met Mr. Henson. The claim that he is somehow a "close
associate" of mine is a false statement.
Such false statements should serve to discredit this post and the
person that posted it.
Scientologists and those sympathetic to Scientology often spam Internet
discussion groups like this with rants of one sort or another about
perceived enemies.
See http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/Scien47.html
This is my response to such often misleading information posted about
me.
Rick Ross
www.rickross.com
ross.in...@gmail.com
Paul Fritschle
religious freedom guarantees David Touretzky's right to post "bomb
making" instructions online--the same information that has been
available for years in libraries and magazines.
Paul
Feisty
"Android Cat" <androi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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