Thanks to Bob Minton (SBY)

Stacy Young

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Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.

There is Rachel, the black kitten with white feet who jumped onto my desk
on 60 Minutes and was the real star of the show. Someone found her when
she was less than a month old, sitting alone in the middle of a park,
close to death from an upper respiratory infection. She's healthy now and
very happy.

And there is Charlotte, who looks like one of the cows on the side of the
Ben and Jerry's ice cream truck. She and her sister Allison were thrown
out of a crack dealer's cadillac into the street when they were three
weeks old. Someone saw it happen and scooped them up before the oncoming
traffic ran over them. You'll never meet more affectionate cats than
Charlotte and Allison.

And Mufasa, a beautiful orange long-haired cat who was rescued from
another shelter when she was a kitten. She's Bob's favorite. She loves to
put her front paws around his neck and give him kisses all over his face.

There are a lot more cats who are safe and happy here at our beautiful
sanctuary thanks to the miraculous generosity and compassion of Bob
Minton. I will be forever grateful to this kind-hearted man who took pity
on the plight of these animals and saved their lives.

I am sickened (although not surprised) to see the lengths to which
Scientology is willing to go to try to destroy Bob Minton. I cannot stop
them from spreading their lies about him and his family. I wish I could,
but as long as they can hide behind their false cloak of religion no one
will be able to stop their terrorism. All I can really do to help him is
to stand up to Scientology's bully tactics myself, expose what they're
doing to us, and offer my help to other people who are being harmed by
this criminal organization.

I have spoken publicly in other arenas but never before on ars. Now it's
time.

Many of you know about Scientology's harassment of my husband Vaughn and
me from Vaughn's posts and others. But I want to tell my version. We have
been the target of their campaign of harassment and character
assassination since we began speaking out in 1993, and it has been
horrifying to discover firsthand what this terrorist organization
masquerading as a "religion" is willing to do to silence its critics.
Vaughn and I both held high positions when we were inside, but even in our
positions neither of us realized how utterly corrupt and vicious this
group really is. I have been face to face with their dark side now, and I
know that I have seen the face of pure, psychotic Evil.

The harassment of us increased dramatically this fall. Three things
happened that were probably what caused DM to order us taken out: 60
Minutes interviewed us, the German government asked Vaughn to testify
about Scientology, and we started helping Ken Dandar on the Lisa McPherson
case. Until then, the harassment had always been directed at slandering
and libeling us, breaking us financially, or threatening us in various
other ways but it was always an attack on us personally. But suddenly,
this fall, the target shifted to our sanctuary animals.

All of our neighbors in West Seattle had been very supportive of the
rescue work we were doing. They would bring stray cats and dogs to us and
ask us to help find homes for them, and we always did. Some of them even
adopted kittens from us. But this fall a man moved into an apartment right
down the street from us and immediately began complaining to our landlord
about our rescue work. Then our landlord's assistant began receiving calls
from someone who said he lived in our neighborhood but who would never
give his address and whose phone number was bogus. He falsely claimed that
he had been in our house and that it was filthy and the cats were all
sick. The landlord's assistant knew this was not true because she had been
in our house. She defended us to this man and let us know these calls were
coming in and that she was sure the man was a Scientologist.

Our neighbors and our landlord had weathered earlier onslaughts from
Scientology -- the whole neighborhood had been leafleted with a 15-page
smear about us, Eugene Ingram had gone door to door spreading lies about
us, and all the neighbors had stood by us when we were picketed.

Then an anonymous letter was left on all of our neighbors' doorsteps
asking them to complain to Animal Control about our rescue operation. Our
neighbors knew it was from Scientology and it only reconfirmed what they
already thought: that Scientology is a hateful organization. But we also
received an anonymous letter on our own doorstep, and ours contained a
direct threat against our rescued animals. At that point we began to be
very concerned for their safety.

When the anonymous letter campaign failed to influence our neighbors,
Scientology increased the pressure, and it soon became apparent that their
plan was to get us arrested for felony animal abuse and to get all of our
animals confiscated and killed. Our veterinarian was visited several times
by David Lee and told that we were under investigation for animal abuse,
that our animals were being kept in filthy conditions, etc, etc.
Fortunately our vet had been to our house a number of times to treat the
animals and knew Lee was lying. The vet thought there was no question that
Lee was trying to make a felony case against us to get us arrested. David
Lee visited many other people related to our animal work and tried to
spread the same lies, but no one believed him because they all know how
much we care about the animals and the degree of care we give them.

So Scientology increased the pressure even more. Animal Control, the
Department of Construction and Land Use, and Seattle City Council all
became the targets of a phone campaign against our sanctuary. They were
constantly being phoned about us, and even though Animal Control made
repeated visits to our sanctuary and repeatedly found that the reports
they were receiving were false, the phone campaign was successful in
bringing pressure to bear on the city so that they finally ordered us to
get rid of the cats.

This was disastrous for me. Getting rid of these cats would mean taking
them to the pound, where many of them would surely have been killed. We
are a sanctuary. This means that we take in many cats that would be killed
outright if they were taken to the pound. They are sick or injured, and
most shelters aren't set up to provide long-term care for a sick or
injured animal. I had nursed some of these cats for months. There was no
way I was going to risk having them killed.

Our only other option was to move, but where could we go? And what
landlord would rent to someone with a cat sanctuary? We searched high and
low for a place in an area that was zoned for what we were doing, but we
couldn't find anything.

I was exhausted from the stress of their constant harassment and frantic
with worry about what would happen to the cats. Then one night two women
showed up at our front door at about eight o'clock. I stepped outside to
see what they wanted and they both looked me up and down in a very
peculiar way.

"Are you Stacy Young?" the plump one asked in the tone of voice one uses
with a child. She handed me a business card that identified her as being
from the Department of Mental Health Services, Commitment Section.

"We've received some calls saying that you've lost quite a bit of weight
recently and that you've been -- well, uh -- collecting cats," the plump
woman told me, very gently, and instantly I realized what was happening.
Scientology was trying to have me committed.

I called Vaughn outside and told him what they had said. We looked at each
other in disbelief and then I turned to the women, who clearly were not
witnessing what they had expected to see.

"Do I look too skinny to you?" I asked them, holding my arms out. I am
definitely not underweight by any means. The women shook their heads,
frowning.

"And as for 'collecting cats,' let me take you inside and show you our cat
sanctuary," I said, and ushered them into the house. It was spotless, and
several very healthy cats lounged on a cat tree in the living room. The
two women muttered to each other that it certainly was clean, and the cats
looked just fine.

I told them all about our rescue work and the sanctuary, about finding
good homes for the cats once they were ready to be adopted, and then I
explained about Scientology's harassment campaign against us. The two
women were horrified, and extremely embarrassed about having come to our
house. They explained that the calls had been anonymous and the people
had clearly lied, saying I was crazy, that my house was filthy, that all
the cats were sick -- the same old story. They admitted that they had come
out to determine if I should be committed, and that they were ready to
begin the process even though they had received nothing but anonymous
calls.

They ended up apologizing to me as they left, but the incident left me
badly shaken. What frightened me was that Scientology could so easily
manipulate the mental health bureaucracy that these women had actually
been ready to commit me.

It was the last straw for me. The next day we had another surprise
inspection from Animal Control and another notice from the city. Then we
got a notice from our landlord, delivered apologetically by his assistant
who explained that he was now being sent notices by the city. The letter
said we had until the end of the month to get rid of all the cats. The end
of the month was two weeks away.

That night was when Vaughn posted his briefing to the net about what had
been going on. Scientology had finally found our vulnerability. We were
willing to put ourselves at risk but we couldn't risk the lives of the
animals. We were literally at the end of the line. We had no idea what we
were going to do. All I knew was that I was not going to surrender these
animals. I had made a commitment to save their lives and somehow I was
going to live up to that commitment.

And then a miracle happened. Bob Minton called. He called a few days after
Vaughn posted his briefing. Neither Vaughn nor I had ever met him or ever
even heard of him before. All he said was that he didn't feel Scientology
should be allowed to terrorize people the way they were doing to us and he
wanted to help us. What could he do to help, he wanted to know.

From time to time in my life things have been so bad that they couldn't go
anywhere but up, and this was one of those times. I told him the truth.

"What we need is a sanctuary for our animals," I said.

And Bob Minton replied, "Well, I can help you with that."

I had never met this guy before and knew nothing about him. But I knew
that I had nowhere else to go, and no one else to turn to, and no choice
but to believe this stranger who was offering to help us.

He never asked any questions, never questioned our motives, never asked
for any proof of who we were or what we were doing, never made any demands
of us at all. He just believed in us. He helped us find sanctuary for our
animals and put them out of the reach of the Scientologists.

He came to visit us after we moved to Vashon Island and we met him for the
first time. After a few days we had become great friends, and I am sure we
will be friends for a long time. Bob is a kind-hearted, generous,
down-to-earth person who is profoundly concerned about the harm
Scientology is doing to people. There is really nothing more to it than
that. Now Scientology is trying to destroy him because he has helped
people like Vaughn and me, and others who won't let Scientology's terror
tactics silence them. But he isn't going to stop trying to help people,
and I want to do the same thing.

I want to offer help to others the way Bob Minton offered help to us when
we desperately needed it. So I have this announcement to make to all
Scientology staff members, and especially to Sea Org members:

I know what it is like to be in there and to feel you have nowhere else to
go. I know how terrifying it is to think of what will happen to you if you
leave. But I want you to know this: I can offer you a safe place where you
can catch up on your sleep and you can talk to people who will understand
what you've been through and can help you get your life started again in
the real world. We will help you recover from this nightmare called
Scientology. Please call us, or contact us in whatever way you can.

Our phone number is 206-463-6809. Our address is 19731 Vashon Highway,
Vashon, WA 98070. My e-mail address is s...@eskimo.com. Vaughn's e-mail
address is wri...@eskimo.com.

Stacy Young

tall...@mail.storm.ca

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In article <69s8rn$hvp$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

You are a remarkable person, Stacy. The strays of Seattle are lucky to have
someone like you on their side, as are the Sea Orgers to whom you offer
sanctuary. (Even though the latter may not realize this yet.)

Welcome to a.r.s.! And love to the cats!

K

and H (feline unit)

Birgitta

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On 18 Jan 1998 06:52:39 GMT, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

>Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
>whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.

Dear Stacy,

Your non-ex formula is approved:o)
You can go directly to affluence and apply it by giving an extra hug
to Bob Minton if you happen to see him again. I
met him in CW in December and will never forget this friendly
man.
I am most happy to welcome you on ARS. I am an ex-GO/OSA
myself and is doing what I can to enlighten former members,
critics and media about CoS, in Sweden where I live, and sometimes in
other countries.
My four cats 'Trollet', 'Minus', 'Smurf' and 'Trassel' asked me
to forward greetings to 'Rachel'. They are all in love with her
after seeing her on TV. / Bid of Sweden

The Angel of Xenu

Gregg Hagglund

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In article <34c2ea3a...@news.sverige.net>, b...@cheerful.com (Birgitta
) wrote:

>On 18 Jan 1998 06:52:39 GMT, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:
>

>>Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
>>whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.
>

>Dear Stacy,
>
>Your non-ex formula is approved:o)
>You can go directly to affluence and apply it by giving an extra hug
>to Bob Minton if you happen to see him again. I
>met him in CW in December and will never forget this friendly
>man.
>I am most happy to welcome you on ARS. I am an ex-GO/OSA
>myself and is doing what I can to enlighten former members,
>critics and media about CoS, in Sweden where I live, and sometimes in
>other countries.
>My four cats 'Trollet', 'Minus', 'Smurf' and 'Trassel' asked me
>to forward greetings to 'Rachel'. They are all in love with her
>after seeing her on TV. / Bid of Sweden
>
> The Angel of Xenu
>

Welcome to ARS Stacy,

I too met Bob Minton for the first time in CW.
As Bid says he his a very kind hearted and empathic individual
and deeply concerned about the damage Co$ does so arrogantly
and so often inadequately opposed.

My three cats "Xenu", "Dr. Enturbulator" and "BT" ( the kitten)
all send you and yours loving paw prints and soft face nuzzles.

Be well,

Gregg Hagglund

<<<oo{ At Constant Cause Over the toronto org.}oo>>>
oo>>>{ And sentenced to Death for this SP Act. }<<<oo

["You know, people die if they criticize scientology -
I should take care if I were you."
-Marcus Nyman, OSA (former GO), $cio-org, Stockholm, Sweden.]

Gregg Hagglund SP4
http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond
--
" I'm sure it's obvious to all who read my stuff, that I have
serious problems when it comes to being able to communicate."
- -RonsAmigo, Official OSA Shill on ARS

Download the latest Xemu Flyer:
http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/2-1ZipArch.html

Andreas Heldal-Lund

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On 18 Jan 1998 06:52:39 GMT, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

> Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
> whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.

WOW! This post made my Sunday, I'm sitting here with a
big smile on my face and a good feeling inside. Thanks
a lot to Stacy, Vaughn and Bob! This is much bigger than
saving the cats, you should know that! Witnessing this
motivates other critics, seeing that the evil acts by
the cult makes critics stronger and may even produce
more critics.

Again a foot bullet by the cult, if I ever doubt my
fight against this cult, I got a new story to remind
me.

Welcome to ARS Stacy and Vaughn, I suspect many with me
are looking forward to your future posts here.

PS: Give the TV star Rachel a good cuddle from me! :)

Yours faithfully, Andreas Heldal-Lund - Adm. TOXE CXI
_______________________________________________________
OPERATION CLAMBAKE --------------> http://www.xenu.net/
S T O P T H E C U L T O F S C I E N T O L O G Y

Deana M. Holmes (NED for OTs Series)

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s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

>
>I want to offer help to others the way Bob Minton offered help to us when
>we desperately needed it. So I have this announcement to make to all
>Scientology staff members, and especially to Sea Org members:
>
>I know what it is like to be in there and to feel you have nowhere else to
>go. I know how terrifying it is to think of what will happen to you if you
>leave. But I want you to know this: I can offer you a safe place where you
>can catch up on your sleep and you can talk to people who will understand
>what you've been through and can help you get your life started again in
>the real world. We will help you recover from this nightmare called
>Scientology. Please call us, or contact us in whatever way you can.
>
>Our phone number is 206-463-6809. Our address is 19731 Vashon Highway,
>Vashon, WA 98070. My e-mail address is s...@eskimo.com. Vaughn's e-mail
>address is wri...@eskimo.com.

Stacy,

I want to thank you so much for doing this! This is so needed!

I talked to a former SO member last week. She got out after only a short
while, but has been rather concerned about people she knew in the SO who
she knew who wanted to get out, but who literally had no place to go. I
didn't know what to tell her, because I didn't know of a place where SO
could go. Now I know a place.

Of course, it will take a lot of courage for SO to come to you, because
you and Vaughn are super SPs. But if even one SO takes advantage of your
offer and saves his or her life, that will be enough. I hope that many
take advantage of this.

I thank you and Vaughn profusely for this!

Deana

Deana M. Holmes
alt.religion.scientology archivist since February 1995
Defied David Miscavige's Intention Beams, November 1, 1997
mir...@super.zippo.com

Tilman Hausherr

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In <69s8rn$hvp$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young)
wrote:

>There is Rachel, the black kitten with white feet who jumped onto my desk

>on 60 Minutes and was the real star of the show. Someone found her when
>she was less than a month old, sitting alone in the middle of a park,
>close to death from an upper respiratory infection. She's healthy now and
>very happy.
>
>And there is Charlotte, who looks like one of the cows on the side of the
>Ben and Jerry's ice cream truck. She and her sister Allison were thrown
>out of a crack dealer's cadillac into the street when they were three
>weeks old. Someone saw it happen and scooped them up before the oncoming
>traffic ran over them. You'll never meet more affectionate cats than
>Charlotte and Allison.
>
>And Mufasa, a beautiful orange long-haired cat who was rescued from
>another shelter when she was a kitten. She's Bob's favorite. She loves to
>put her front paws around his neck and give him kisses all over his face.
>
>There are a lot more cats who are safe and happy here at our beautiful
>sanctuary thanks to the miraculous generosity and compassion of Bob
>Minton. I will be forever grateful to this kind-hearted man who took pity
>on the plight of these animals and saved their lives.

Good luck Stacy and Robert... why not make a web page with pictures of
the cats? I recommend "Netscape Gold" , it is as easy as working with
WinWord.

Tilman

Martin Hunt

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In article <69s8rn$hvp$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

>I want to offer help to others the way Bob Minton offered help to us when
>we desperately needed it. So I have this announcement to make to all
>Scientology staff members, and especially to Sea Org members:
>
>I know what it is like to be in there and to feel you have nowhere else to
>go. I know how terrifying it is to think of what will happen to you if you
>leave. But I want you to know this: I can offer you a safe place where you
>can catch up on your sleep and you can talk to people who will understand
>what you've been through and can help you get your life started again in
>the real world. We will help you recover from this nightmare called
>Scientology. Please call us, or contact us in whatever way you can.
>
>Our phone number is 206-463-6809. Our address is 19731 Vashon Highway,
>Vashon, WA 98070. My e-mail address is s...@eskimo.com. Vaughn's e-mail
>address is wri...@eskimo.com.

What a wonderful, kind act! I hope someone in the cult right
now and wondering where to go and what's the first step in
getting out takes you up on your offer. I bet sitting down
with a cat on your lap would be highly therapeutic for someone
put through that system of ethics, make-it-go-right, sleeplessness,
totalitarianism, poor diet, and a lot of force applied.

--
Cogito, ergo sum. FAQs: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/

"But regardless how hard the going is for us critics in the face
of entrenched evil, as Winston Churchill said once that these are
not the dark days, but rather the great days. They are great because
the cult is giving each of us an opportunity to find out the depth
of our love of freedom." - Grady Ward.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.

Steve Zadarnowski

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s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

>Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
>whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.

Thanks, Stacy, for getting the whole story out to us. We all knew
you were being harassed, but didn't know just how far Scientology
was going. And yes, thanks to Bob Minton for his generosity and
ability to step in just at the right time.

ARS is good place to expose Scientology's antisocial behaviour,
and the pressure it places on people on staff who thought they
were joining an ethical group. Be careful!!

Steve

JKLintzBFA

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Dear Stacy,

I'm sitting hear with tears streaming down my face after reading your post. I
left my (ex) husband behind when I defected from a cult (not CO$) three years
ago. His grandparents were bankrupted by CO$ and lost their home, and an aunt
is some kind of big-wig in Clear Water.

When I first defected, I stayed with someone who I believed was a friend, but
who turned out to be very abusive. And of course she didn't at all understand
what I had been through or was going through. After four months of trying to
just survive, I was fortunate enough to be sheltered by a woman I'd just met,
who has provided me with a safe haven. So I know what a gift you are offering!
May the universe bless you a thousand fold.

BTW, isn't it odd how the CO$ can scream how evil psychiatry is on national TV,
and at the same time try to _use_ psychiatry for their own evil purposes?

Jan
<and canine buddy rescued from the pound-we were'nt allowed to have pets in the
cult>

Neal Hamel

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On 18 Jan 1998 06:52:39 GMT, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

>Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
>whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.
>

[ snip ]

>
>The harassment of us increased dramatically this fall. Three things
>happened that were probably what caused DM to order us taken out: 60
>Minutes interviewed us, the German government asked Vaughn to testify
>about Scientology, and we started helping Ken Dandar on the Lisa McPherson
>case. Until then, the harassment had always been directed at slandering
>and libeling us, breaking us financially, or threatening us in various
>other ways but it was always an attack on us personally. But suddenly,
>this fall, the target shifted to our sanctuary animals.
>

Thank you so much for giving the details behind this incident.

I thought that by this time I would have become inured to the acts that the
scienos take against their critics. However, this is another time when I
have been taken aback at the depths to which this sad cult will go to
frighten and silence their critics. As it turns out, this kind of stuff is
Hubbard's only workable tech. It is the same tech that criminals use. The
leaving of a dead cat on Minton's doorstep is in the same league as the
Mafia's dead fish in a newspaper.

Glad you are doing well and thanks so much for willing to be in the
forefront of scientology's harrassment. I add my thanks to Bob Minton for
providing the means that allows you, Vaughn and cats, a sanctuary.

Scientology is a miserable fucking excuse for a church .

-Neal H.

Eric Bohlman

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Stacy Young <s...@eskimo.com> wrote:
: I was exhausted from the stress of their constant harassment and frantic

If you haven't already done so, talk to Ken Dandar about this. If you
can document that the Co$ was behind this, it will blow away the First
Amendment defense that they're almost certainly going to try to use in
the McPherson wrongful-death suit (that getting medical care for Lisa
would have resulted in her being "committed" to a "psychiatric
institution" which would be against the religious beliefs of Scientologists).

gerry armstrong

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On 18 Jan 1998 06:52:39 GMT, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:

>Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
>whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.
>

[snip]

>I have spoken publicly in other arenas but never before on ars. Now it's
>time.
>

Stacy:

You are a welcome sight.

I remember my first post as if it was yesterday:

"Test."

That was back on June 25, 1997.

Since then all hell broke loose. So send three and four pence we're
going to a dance.

Gerry

>
>Stacy Young

arnie_lerma_-_exscieno

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Why are we here? Why spend so much time and effort?
Because we care, and because fear, silence and apathy
have created a society that tolerates not just the cruelty of
Scientology, but cruelty of all forms.

The greatest two threats to the survival of mankind on this
precious earth, are corruption and starvation. Starvation due
to destruction of the environment, due to waste & fraud, both
governmental, corporate and individual - where planning for the
next quarter’s profit has replaced the ancient dictates of the Great
White Father - to plan for the the 7th son....

The fascist empire of Scientology provides a web, which if followed
would provide a vector for ferreting out corruption - as Scientogy’s
false promises bring out the worst in man - Greed, avarice, - anything
in the name of money - The opportunity is here to follow Scientology’s
lines of influence and find all those willing to sell out for the cash, who
place
their own survival above mankind’s - as well as locate and recover
our brothers who have fallen under the spell of lies.

This battle to expose the true nature of Scientology management
will not be the last battle, there will be other enemies, once the threat
of another Nurenburg, an Orweilian future is handled once and for all.
After this evil empire is fixed..
“next time you see me comin, you better run” (bob dylan)

I’ve been told from time to time

“You must have faith”

When I drive my car,
I have no ‘faith’ that I’m holding the wheel,
I *know* I’m holding the wheel
- there is no faith involved.

And I’ve stepped off into space too many times now,
only to find hands reach out and catch me.

Scientology will lose it's irs exemption. and it's donors
It's public figures will be ridiculed.. as the ‘deluded adherents’ they have
become.
All its make money quick schemes will be soon be made public
An another Nurenburg will be avoided
And Scientologys plan to Clear the planet of anyone
who dares disagree with this dwarf on a donkey named Heber will be thwarted.

Purpose

The commonality of intent [ by critical participants ]
is demonstarted by the excercise of free will, free association,
and the constitutional gaurantee to assemble peacably
under a ‘virtual’ Liberty tree - the Net....
that there is more to truth than just an ‘acceptable truth’
that furthers the aims of the group

Hubbard states: “Reality is Agreement”
I watched Pat Broeker run a red light one day, in 1971, we were going
to the beach, and he laughed and said “Reality is ‘just’ agreement”

Reality is not what is simply agreed upon by members of any sect, group, or
cult.

Scientologists often parrot Hubbard, to wit:

“what is true for you is true for you”

This is another baldfaced lie, this is the arrogance of a conman -
who whispers - with persuasion, just follow my path and you
will be free - - just go jump off a roof sometime. Like the Selphosophy
Psycho - in the last scene of Millenium. Splat [ he hit the pavement]
That’s real.
And that’s what’s happenning to Scientology right now.

And as Hubbard died so shall Scientology, some deluded adherents locked away
from
from public view, while an orgy of greed writhes around...

“what is true for you is true for you” is a LIE

The favorite slogan of new conscripts, and seems thats all they have
these days - did you see how young the crowd was picketing the
Clearwater police station?

Bringing a Scientologist to realization of this one idea,
will exit a Scientologist from the fold

This is an exit door.

“What’s true for you is true for you” - IS A LIE!

Faith:

I’ve been told from time to time

“You must have faith”

When I drive my car,
I have no ‘faith’ that I’m holding the wheel,
I *know* I’m holding the wheel
- there is no faith involved.

And am I am pleased beyond expression that there are so many
folks I haven’t yet had the pleasure to meet, joining this jolly
band of mery pranksters, devoted to one thing -

Exposing and immortalizing the truth wherever they find
anyone trying to hide it -

Thank you all for your efforts.

And thank *you* Bob Minton for the ‘shut eye’

as well as my life.

Sincerely

Arnie Lerma
Ex-Scientologist
I’d pefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak
Secrets are the mortar, binding lies as bricks together, into prisons for the
mind
http://www.lermanet.com

And don’t forget to support the critic of your choice

And demand that the IRS revoke all exemptions granted as they
are everything but a ‘charitable’ organization.

wgert

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Interesting that Stacy Young considers telling authorities about her
is harassment but telling lies about Scientology is just "free speech"
or "speaking out". It's easy to blame anything that happens to them
when they break the law on "Scientologists". Were they in compliance
with the law, or not?

wgert
Read the Rogues Gallery on ARS Bigots
www.dancris.com/~rshaw

David Gerard

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On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:29:04 GMT, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
wrote:

:In <69s8rn$hvp$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young)
:wrote:
:
:>There is Rachel, the black kitten with white feet who jumped onto my desk
:>And there is Charlotte, who looks like one of the cows on the side of the
:>And Mufasa, a beautiful orange long-haired cat who was rescued from

:Good luck Stacy and Robert... why not make a web page with pictures of

:the cats? I recommend "Netscape Gold" , it is as easy as working with
:WinWord.

Heck yes. The World Wide Web was in fact invented to distribute pictures of
cats.

Most photos can be made into a decently-sized JPEG of no more than 20-30
kilobytes.

(I am available to help critics with this - send any photos you would like
this done with as 300-400k JPEGs, MIME attachments in email, one photo per
message; or put them in a temporary web space I can get them from.)

If advertised (properly) on local Seattle newsgroups, such a page could
even help in placing the stray animals with good homes.

--
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Stop JUNK EMAIL Boycott AMAZON.COM http://mickc.home.mindspring.com/index1.htm
"Because you can't cotton to evil. No sir. You have to smack evil on the nose
with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad evil. Bad, BAD evil.'"

Robert Vaughn Young

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Stacy Young (s...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats

: Stacy Young
--
*----------------------------------------------*
Robert Vaughn Young * The most potent weapon of the oppressor is *
wri...@eskimo.com * the mind of the oppressed. - Steve Biko *
*----------------------------------------------*

Jens Tingleff

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In article <6a3ke8$jgl$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, wri...@eskimo.com (Robert
Vaughn Young) wrote:

> Stacy Young (s...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> : Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
> : whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.

[...]

[..]

Charming, eh??

"anonymous calls." What cowards!!! As for doubting that the Co$ is behind
this, try DejNews to find the posts by Co$ apologists. Sinckening!

Best wishes to you, Stacy, and thanks to Bob Minton for Doing the Right
Thing[tm].

Jens

------ No PGP signature, no authenticity. Vive La France!! ---------
http://www.imaginet.fr/~jensting/. Scientology[tm]?? Check it out at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/mpoulter/scum.html *and*
http://www.scientology.org/. Report to alt.religion.scientology ;-)

wgert

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Wow, VY. VY forgot to take off Stacey's signature! And instead just
re-posted Stacey. Oversight, or getting old, or Stacey now refuses to
ghost write for him!

wgert

wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young) wrote:

>Stacy Young (s...@eskimo.com) wrote:
>: Stacy Young here. I 'm sitting here in my office with several of the cats
>: whose lives were saved by Bob Minton.

snip - repetitive.

Mark W Brehob

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wgert (wg...@loop.com) wrote:
: Interesting that Stacy Young considers telling authorities about her

: is harassment but telling lies about Scientology is just "free speech"
: or "speaking out". It's easy to blame anything that happens to them
: when they break the law on "Scientologists". Were they in compliance
: with the law, or not?

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wgert (wg...@loop.com) wrote:
: Wow, VY. VY forgot to take off Stacey's signature! And instead just

: re-posted Stacey. Oversight, or getting old, or Stacey now refuses to
: ghost write for him!

: wgert

I'll rent you a clue about news posting software, Mr OSA.

There are several failure modes to news interfaces that cause the buffer
to get posted - in this case, the buffer had not been modified.

Perry Scott
Co$ Escapee

Perry Scott

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Robert Vaughn Young (wri...@eskimo.com) wrote:

: (The funniest irony in all this was that Scientology was forcing me

: to go out and do what I did for the cult: work agencies and the media.
: That was also where I first learned how to use FOIA.)

That irony was not lost on me, RVY. As I was reading I was thinking,
"Hmm. Sounds like GO/OSA SOP." Gosh, could it be that you actually
learned something USEFUL in the cult? :) I can't wait to see RonsAmigo
write it up as a "win" for Scientology.

: People chatted and

: enjoyed each other. It was community. It was neighborhood.
:
: What a concept! Neighbors!

Innit wunnerful? Wog tek can give you such big wins....

: Our neighbors had come to learn about Scientology, not because of us, but

: because of the cult. Our neighborhood had been leafleted with anonymous
: slimey pieces about us that neighbors brought down in disgust, offering to
: help and giving us a chance to tell them of our work. Some had been called
: by the likes of Gene Ingram or David Lee, asking salacious questions.
: Finally, when we were picketed, neighbors came down and sat on our patio
: with us, as a show of solidarity.

OSA doesn't realize, after repeated Foot Bullets, that these tactics
just don't work. It's really quite amazing how consistent they are, how
they generate an unintended effect, and how they never seem to "get it".
OSA personnel apparently live in a delusional state. I'm not sure if
that makes them more dangerous, more predictable, or more pityable.

However, I'm beginning to see the standard patterns that OSA uses. For
example, the latest legal slime on Henson very much follows the pattern
used in Op Freakout as well as the DA against Erlich and yourself. It's
like they have only so many standard scripts and cannot vary from the
inflexible Orders that Hubbard gave them. If they can't adapt, they're
doomed.

: The picketers, in their "knowing how to

: know wisdom," insulted the neighbors while we sat back watched. Later,
: neighbors would ask us, "Don't they know how they look and what they are
: doing?"

What did OSA do to a busload of tourists in Clearwater last December? :)
Ready! Foot! Aim! Fire! Again, it's hard to develop a proper level
of fear and respect for OSA when they're so deluded, so out-of-touch with
reality.

: I asked those who had no cats/dogs if they would like to adopt three, the

: legal limit. (If they had a cat or two, they were asked if they would
: adopt whatever brought them to the legal limit.) All agreed.

Nice plan. Neutralize the primary threat. But, you knew that - you're
ex-GO (and I mean that in the nicest way - PR was run from G.O. back
then right? or do I M/U the hierarchy?)

: The magistrate was wonderful. She was fascinated with our animal rescue

: work and the degree of care we give the animals. My $50 fine per cited
: unlicensed cat (and I was cited for 10) was reduced to $5. My $500 fine
: was reduced to $50. I happily wrote the check and let the magistrate know
: where she could come adopt a rescued cat.

Now, why couldn't Ronald Whyte be so reasonable? Justice still lives in
the US Legal System, it just gets temporarily lost sometimes.

: (ASIDE TIP: If you ever spot a plant, never let on and

: never tell the cult how you spotted them. A good rule of intelligence is
: that it is better to know who is a plant and to leave them in place rather
: than blow their cover, and start all over. It's easier to keep the one you
: know.)

Straight from some GO Hat Pack, I assume. This "tip" is being run on
OSA as you speak. I'll let THEM stew about the WHO who's cover has been
blown.

: They hammered at our looking for a new place. As I had heard a little bit
: from my wife, I told them that yes, he [Minton] had offered to help us with a

: place. This sent the hired guns over the edge. Rinder went running out the
: room to make his telephone pee call to you-know-who and then came racing
: back with notes to fire at me.

Rinder has a real hard-on for Bob Minton. Hear that Bob? You're
upstat! Isn't it wonderful how Mr OSA telegraphs the extent of his
hard-on for Minton? It certainly gives Bob INSTANTANEOUS feedback on
the relative effectiveness of various actions. Again, it's hard to
develop a healthy fear or respect for an organization that's so
predictable.

: FACTNet, which was the reason for the depo. Just Minton, Minton, Minton.

It goes like this (this aside is for non-G.O.): OSA Network Order 35
"INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATIONS AND PREDICTIONS" correlates all the "attacks"
against Scientology by cross-referencing them in separate files. Now
look at the fattest file - that's the one labelled "The Internet". Now
follow the money. Bob Minton is on the Internet. His money is
supporting the Internet ARSCC Cabal. Therefore, MINTON MUST BE THE WHO
behind all the Internet Suppressives.

(If anyone wants to read OSA NW 35, I can provide a URL. It's been
attacked by Helena, so it seeded itself elsewhere like dandelions.)

Again, it's so predictable.

Is that a "pass", RVY? Do I know how to know OSA?

: As I listened to the ranting and watching the frothing, I quietly thought

: of two Scientology maxims: "Natter is evidence of missed withholds" and
: "The TA is moving. Do nothing." (The latter is too complex to explain but
: Scientology ex-auditors will understand.)

I (a non-auditor) understand both. It's so pleasing to apply the Tek to
Scientology. They really DO have the ability to pull their own overts
if they would just follow their own Tek. I'm thinking of things like
applying the Treason formula to themselves with Society being the group,
followed by TR3-auditing "When has Source been a Not Survive?" until
cognition.

: By the end of the depo, there was no doubt in my mind. Minton was for real

: and he was starting to appear as their greatest fear. Interesting.

Oh yes. Oh yes, yes, yes. OSA/RTC/BPI applies scorched-earth
litigation at great expense because their opponents don't have much
money to start with. If someone with resources in Power enters the
"enemy" camp, that policy (which is their main crutch) gets effectively
neutralized. They are scared spitless of Bob Minton and especially any
of his pre-retirement professional contacts. It could easily swamp
their IAS income and blow the "War Chest".

I still can't figure out why they are picketting and harrassing someone
in a Beacon Hill neighborhood. It is the most insane thing OSA could
possibly do (although they probably don't cognite even now, due to not
auditing themselves on "When has Source been a Not Survive?").

Again, I'll maintain a healthy respect for OSA, but their actions make
it really difficult. They are so out-of-touch with the wog world.

: The location is pretty much in the center of the island, about a half mile

: south of the King County Police Station. (Great cops on this island!)
: It is well off the main highway, down a long private dirt road. This helps
: security and gives future picketers a nice lonely place to march, not
: to mention a lousy site for line-of-sight stake-outs. The house and
: grounds already had lights activated by motion-detectors. Our only
: addition is a rescued dog who made even the FedEx and UPS people nervous,
: until we introduced them.

Nice location. You might want to get to know your local Police Dept.
Knowing what I know of OSA, I suspect the harrassment will continue,
though I hope they are smart enough to not do it directly. I would
expect more anonymous reports to public officials, more DA, and the
like.

: The Vashon people are wonderful and we've started having many over to see

: our work and to get to know us. Some already saw Stacy on "60 Minutes".

The ARSCC(WDNE,YHBT) Dissem Division is upstat. Big Win! Operation
Safe Havens is already creating a "Safe Place" for our members(wdne).
:)

: Thus, thanks to Bob [laugh - no, not THAT "Bob"],

I think all Bobs are part of THE BOB. It's a cosmic thing, like the Q
Continuum (ref: Star Trek: The Next Generation).

: The final irony is that this all came about because of the cult. We would

: never have met Bob, in all likelihood, had it not been for them. Bob Minton
: had been around for awhile yet our paths did not cross until they attacked
: and threatened our animal rescue work. Like an angel, Bob Minton appeared
: only then. All he asked then - and since - is that the animals be safe.
: Warped RTC/OSA minds like to think differently but that is what
: distinguishes them.

Bob's the greatest. (No, not THAT Bob) Bob is someone who's making a
difference, rather than allowing wealth to turn oneself inward in an
orgy of conspicuous consumption. I hope to someday be fortunate enough
to emulate him. It's quite different than what Scientology teaches, I
might add.

: Best wishes from us and all the furries...
: Robert Vaughn Young

Maggie says "blur-r-r-r-t" and Kate (a part-Siamese) says "myip myip"
back. Kate is ex-pound, Maggie was saved from the pound.

: My credentials can be found in an article I wrote for Quill,

: the magazine of the Society of Professional Journalists, which is
: archived at
: http://www.scientology.no.net/archive/media/young-quill.html

I just read this last night on www.entheta.net. Good article. Very
spooky.

Perry Scott
Co$ Escapee

Charlie Ambrosi

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wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young) spewed forth:

God BLESS you two people!

I used to think of $cientology as a VIPER....but now realize that it has none
of the cleverness or elegance of the snake.

It's more like a SCORPION......a stupid creature who's life motto is: "When in
trouble...STING yourself to death!" LOL

Take heart...the word is finally getting OUT about this evil wacko cult.

btw...seen Kirstie Alley lately??.....Looks like she's mutating into L. Ron
Blubbard!

*********
And for you automated email spammers out there,
here's the email addresses of the current board of
the Federal Communications Commission:

Chairman William Kennard: wken...@fcc.gov
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And let's help you send some spam to the US Postal Service, too:

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Remove the extra "home" for the true address!)

wgert

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Jan 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/23/98

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WOW. Get the toothbrush out of his mouth. NOW!

wgert

Arnie Lerma - ExScieno wrote:
> Why are we here? Why spend so much time and effort?
>Because we care, and because fear, silence and apathy

snip

The Galactic Overlord Remailer

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Jan 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/23/98

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In article <34c6b...@news2.lightlink.com>, Alec wrote:
> >> Stacy Young (s...@eskimo.com) wrote:

> >> : "We've received some calls saying that you've lost quite a bit of weight
> >> : recently and that you've been -- well, uh -- collecting cats," the plump
> >> : woman told me, very gently, and instantly I realized what was happening.
> >> : Scientology was trying to have me committed.
>
>

> Ditto here!
>
> When I was stressed out following extreme OSA suppression, the OSA terminal
> of CCDallas wrote a letter to the superintendant of the Psychiatric Ward
> disclosing some items from my confessional folder, and making an effort to
> persuade the Psychiatrist to commit me.

In a way, this shows how the cult is declining. In Operation Freakout, when
I'm guessing the cult was near or at the peak of its power, they damn near
accomplished their goal at getting Paulette Cooper either committed or
jailed, in an amazing tale of espionage of planting fake evidence.
Only the FBI stumbling across the Operation Freakout documents in their
raid did she avoid jail for a crime she did not commit.

With Stacey Young, they didn't (or couldn't) put the effort into this op that
they did with Op. Freakout. They did whatever dirty deeds needed to get the
mental health folks headed out her way, apparently with a butterfly net and
straightjacket ready :-), but they didn't follow through. They didn't consider
that they'd see that Stacey was perfectly normal once they got there, and
realize they'd been had. In other words the Co$ failed to plan, which is the
same as planning to fail.

Alec doesn't give enough details, but either something similar happened, or
the people at the local psych ward weren't fooled in the first place.

Volney

Clark Thompson

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wgert is losing it. He's about to blow.

--crt
wgert <wg...@loop.com> wrote in article
<6a924c$jkp$2...@usenet76.supernews.com>...

Tilman Hausherr

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Jan 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/23/98

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In <6a6dp2$i2j$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn
Young) wrote:

>weeks and I didn't need complications in my life. I know how they like to
>run in the plants. (ASIDE TIP: If you ever spot a plant, never let on and
>never tell the cult how you spotted them. A good rule of intelligence is
>that it is better to know who is a plant and to leave them in place rather
>than blow their cover, and start all over. It's easier to keep the one you
>know.)

Prof. Johannes Aagaard had a plant in his office for several years... I
hope that this story will be told some day. When I met im in october we
were all too busy joking & degrading & enturbulating.

But be careful about telling stories about scientology plants in the US
- I hear that Moxon is preparing lawsuits based on the "veggie libel"
law.

--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
Annoy scientology by buying books: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/bookstore.html

Alec

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The Galactic Overlord Remailer wrote in message
<6a9bao$ic2$1...@godzilla.zeta.org.au>...

Yeah, Sorry I wasn't complete. I called in one of my customers, a
Psychologist, to take me as his own client--narrowly escaping a 90-day incar
ceration threatened by the head psych after he received the letter from the
Scientology OSA terminal.

I meant to warn others. In the defense against the abusive Church of
Scientology everyone should have a Psychologist on his side.

---David Alexander

Alec

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Jan 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/25/98

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Jack Craver wrote in message <34ccde21....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...
>On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:27:15 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:
>< snip >

>>
>>Yeah, Sorry I wasn't complete. I called in one of my customers, a
>>Psychologist, to take me as his own client--narrowly escaping a 90-day
incar
>>ceration threatened by the head psych after he received the letter from
the
>>Scientology OSA terminal.
>>
>

>Wow ! What a story. Have you posted this letter anywhere? A web page
>perhaps? Who was the OSA Terminal? The psych?
>You should really elaborate about this cuz I'm sure this is web-page
>material.
>Why would a "head psych" threaten to incarcerate you based on what a
>Scn OSA says?

>
>>I meant to warn others. In the defense against the abusive Church of
>>Scientology everyone should have a Psychologist on his side.
>>
>>---David Alexander

>jack

Jack I thought you were once posting for OSA on ARS. Is this correct? Have
you had a change of heart? Are you perhaps hoping to set me up for a libel
suit? Why would an OSA poster really "want" me to expose Scientology fraud
and duplicity? Please tell me if you are now against Scientology. If you
are trolling me as a set-up that would be very 1.1 on the tone scale
(duplicitous).

Does anyone else know if Jack is sincere about this--or is still an OSA
poster? Will you post if you have any info?

Jack please respond if you are serious.

---Alec
posted and mailed

Tommy_sp...@xs.net

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Jan 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/25/98

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Charlie Ambrosi wrote:
>
> wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young) spewed forth:

This is how this blowhard attributes ALL quotes..as 'spew'. He has been
doing it for so long that he has quite forgotten that he is doing it.
See Santayana's definition of a fanatic. I will give anyone interested a
peek into his mind in a few more paragraphs..

> God BLESS you two people!

They don't need your (or your gawd's) blessings - they have the Truth.
That's enough.

> Take heart...the word is finally getting OUT about this evil wacko cult.

Yeah..and the word's already out on yours.

> btw...seen Kirstie Alley lately??.....Looks like she's mutating into L. Ron
> Blubbard!

Personal attack in lieu of reason - here's some more of this sterling
character's personal observations:

In article <6a8m4b$7db$7...@ha2.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
Charlie Ambrosi <cent...@homehome.com> wrote:
>gib...@prairienet.org (Mark Gibson) spewed forth:
>
>>Frodo (Fr...@middleearth.com) wrote:
>>It must really suck to be Hillary right about now. But she deserves
>>ever second of humiliation she suffers...and then some.
>>
>
>Or to be CHELSEA! Imagine what's floating around her DORM right now!
>
>OH!...btw...I have a buddy who attends Stanford women's vollyball games
and
>he sat five feet from Chelsea during one game.
>
>I asked him what she looked like in person and he said "that face would
stop
>SEVERAL trains!!" LOL
>
>Poor Chelsea.....ugly as sin and with a daddy who can't stop screwing
around
>on her mommy.

I think this says as much as needs to be said about Charlie Abmrosi.
With allies like you, who needs OSA? And exactly where are all the
Religous Right-wing Avatars coming from the past few days anyway? Have
they succeded in getting the IRS abolished and a Theocracy installed
ALREADY???? Must have time on their hands............Well, I've got
headline news for you, Charlie - we are already dealing with ONE
psuedo-religous political entity that uses lawyers and innuendo to
flatten thier opponents - don't need another. The prerequesite here
seems to be a heart and a concience and a desire to help people ground
down by attacks of Evil disguised as religion. You don't qualify, IMHO.

Tommy

"If you take me for a fool, I'm cyanide."
Greg Lake

Alec

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Jack Craver wrote in message <34cef130....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...

>On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:53:52 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Jack Craver wrote in message
<34ccde21....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...
>>>On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:27:15 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:
>>>< snip >
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, Sorry I wasn't complete. I called in one of my customers, a
>>>>Psychologist, to take me as his own client--narrowly escaping a 90-day
>>incar
>>>>ceration threatened by the head psych after he received the letter from
>>the
>>>>Scientology OSA terminal.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Wow ! What a story. Have you posted this letter anywhere? A web page
>>>perhaps? Who was the OSA Terminal? The psych?
>>>You should really elaborate about this cuz I'm sure this is web-page
>>>material.
>>>Why would a "head psych" threaten to incarcerate you based on what a
>>>Scn OSA says?

[jack]

>>Jack please respond if you are serious.
>>
>>---Alec
>>posted and mailed
>>
>

>No Alec, I'm am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of OSA. But
>neither am I anti-Scn. If you believe that I am trolling you as a
>set-up, then that is certainly your privilege and no-one will require
>you to answer any questions posed here.
>
>Your post does not "ring true" for me, but I would not be surprised if
>I am wrong. It has happened before, and will probably happen again.
>
>Even so, my question to you is sincere and if you would answer, then I
>welcome the opportunity to learn, even if from my mistakes.
>
>jack

That's good for me! Here goes.

While I still believed in Scientology, the Dallas OSA terminal (DSA), Ann
Laws, along with the HCO terminal, Cathy Hebert, and the Ethics Officer,
Colleen Neary, initiated a "Non-Enturbulation Order", and Fair Game against
me--easily causing me to accept that I was an evil person (because of my
belief in Scientology). Over a period of about five months, these persons
refused to communicate with me in spite of my overtures to them. My letters
to the Executive Director Int'l, Guillaume LeSevre, whose stated duty is to
"answer all letters from Scientologists", were never answered. My pleas to
the International Justice Chief were answered with instructions to report
back to the Dallas crushers. Like Pavlov's dog who went neurotic when the
signals for reward and punishment were mixed, I went loopy. There was a
suicide attempt. The Dallas Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit (a pseudonym
for Pavlov's dog pound) incarcerated me for the legal 10-day period and the
head psychiatrist told me he was going to send me to Terrell (,
Texas--Dallas' finest asylum) for 90 days for "medical and ECT therapy". I
called the Celebrity Center Dallas because I "knew" they would protect me
from the "evil Psychs". Ten months later I got a copy of a letter sent by
the DSA to the head Psych telling him some confessions from my counseling
folders--incriminating me and clinching my incarceration. The DSA
encouraged the Psychiatrist to institutionalize me.

Meanwhile back at the hole, I called my customer, who is a "Clinical
Psychologist", and he took me into his care for a time to establish my
stability for the court/detention facility Judge.

I am witness that COS BELIEVES in Psychiatry as a means to dispose of
persons they don't wish to see again.

---David Alexander

Jack Craver

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On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:27:15 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:
< snip >
>
>Yeah, Sorry I wasn't complete. I called in one of my customers, a
>Psychologist, to take me as his own client--narrowly escaping a 90-day incar
>ceration threatened by the head psych after he received the letter from the
>Scientology OSA terminal.
>

Wow ! What a story. Have you posted this letter anywhere? A web page
perhaps? Who was the OSA Terminal? The psych?
You should really elaborate about this cuz I'm sure this is web-page
material.
Why would a "head psych" threaten to incarcerate you based on what a
Scn OSA says?

>I meant to warn others. In the defense against the abusive Church of

Jack Craver

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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:53:52 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:

>
>Jack Craver wrote in message <34ccde21....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...

>Jack I thought you were once posting for OSA on ARS. Is this correct? Have
>you had a change of heart? Are you perhaps hoping to set me up for a libel
>suit? Why would an OSA poster really "want" me to expose Scientology fraud
>and duplicity? Please tell me if you are now against Scientology. If you
>are trolling me as a set-up that would be very 1.1 on the tone scale
>(duplicitous).
>
>Does anyone else know if Jack is sincere about this--or is still an OSA
>poster? Will you post if you have any info?
>

>Jack please respond if you are serious.
>
>---Alec
>posted and mailed
>

No Alec, I'm am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of OSA. But
neither am I anti-Scn. If you believe that I am trolling you as a
set-up, then that is certainly your privilege and no-one will require
you to answer any questions posed here.

Your post does not "ring true" for me, but I would not be surprised if
I am wrong. It has happened before, and will probably happen again.

Even so, my question to you is sincere and if you would answer, then I
welcome the opportunity to learn, even if from my mistakes.

jack

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Ron Newman

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In article <34CBF0...@swbell.net>, Tommy_sp...@Xs.net wrote:

> Charlie Ambrosi wrote:
> >
> > wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young) spewed forth:
>

> This is how this blowhard attributes ALL quotes..as 'spew'. He has been
> doing it for so long that he has quite forgotten that he is doing it.

I'm sure it's nothing more than an automatically-generated line.
Many newsreaders can be configured to generate "attribution" lines
that say various amusing things like this.

--
Ron Newman rne...@thecia.net
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/

Jack Craver

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On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:41:38 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:

< snip >

>
>Ask away. I was just surprised because of the "OSA-style" with which you
>entered this newsgroup.

Because of my job and family, I have posted here only sporadically for
perhaps a year. I am an ex-scientologist. To stay current and actively
posting on ars demands more time than I am willing to give. Once in a
while however, I do get the free time necessary to become more
involved.

If my big mouth lands me in court with COS, it will
>have accomplished something my pen and my computer have failed to do.
>

The step from protester to martyr is small. I am not sure that going
to court against CoS is always an accomplishment.

You have answered most of my questions in your last post. Thanks for
being so candid.

Good luck
jack

>
>
>---David Alexander
>

Jack Craver

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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:53:48 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:

>
>Jack Craver wrote in message <34cef130....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...

>>On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:53:52 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Jack Craver wrote in message
><34ccde21....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...

>>>>On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:27:15 -0600, "Alec" <al...@flash.net> wrote:
>>>>< snip >
>>>>>

>>>>>Yeah, Sorry I wasn't complete. I called in one of my customers, a
>>>>>Psychologist, to take me as his own client--narrowly escaping a 90-day
>>>incar
>>>>>ceration threatened by the head psych after he received the letter from
>>>the
>>>>>Scientology OSA terminal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wow ! What a story. Have you posted this letter anywhere? A web page
>>>>perhaps? Who was the OSA Terminal? The psych?
>>>>You should really elaborate about this cuz I'm sure this is web-page
>>>>material.
>>>>Why would a "head psych" threaten to incarcerate you based on what a
>>>>Scn OSA says?
>
>

>[jack]

>
>>>Jack please respond if you are serious.
>>>
>>>---Alec
>>>posted and mailed
>>>
>>
>>No Alec, I'm am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of OSA. But
>>neither am I anti-Scn. If you believe that I am trolling you as a
>>set-up, then that is certainly your privilege and no-one will require
>>you to answer any questions posed here.
>>
>>Your post does not "ring true" for me, but I would not be surprised if
>>I am wrong. It has happened before, and will probably happen again.
>>
>>Even so, my question to you is sincere and if you would answer, then I
>>welcome the opportunity to learn, even if from my mistakes.
>>
>>jack
>
>

Perhaps, but why does psychiatry BELIEVE Scn data so much as to
incarcerate anyone?
Why would a "head psych" pay any attention at all to what the local
Scn DSA Ann Laws says about anyone?

You have written a very moving post and out of respect for your own
personal privacy, I must ask if you wish to continue giving answers to
many other questions that I have.
Believe me, if you decline, I promise to drop this thread.
Satisfying my curiosity is not a very good reason to answer questions
of a very personal nature, IMO.
Unless *you* want to.

Good luck
jack

Posted/Mailed
>---David Alexander
>

Alec

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Jack Craver wrote in message <34cc1570....@NEWS.MIA.BELLSOUTH.NET>...

The Psychiatrist had a Scientologist in his paws. He didn't care where he
got the goods from. He wanted to score a Scieno. He had me and he didn't
care who the Judas was. You can't be surprised to learn that Scientologists
are perceived by Psychiatrists as paranoid schizophrenics.

Scientologists are a very real nuisance to Psychiatry--or at least they were
until ARS exposed them to the degree that it has. Don't forget that CCHR
had been--and still is--dogging Psychiatrists wherever they can. With CCHR
scouts running around Psychiatrists don't get much unconscious Call Girl
anymore.

This should be incriminating only to those particular Psychs who are guilty.
Many people have gotten into Psychiatry out of Compassion. These are the
very people who don't deserve the stigma. Others choose it smugly as it
shows a "good return" on their education. I don't know if the weird Psychs
are the residuals from the founding members, or if they are the funding
contingent who channel government monies for the development of
Machiavellian control techniques. Another negative function are the
marketing "Behavioral Psychiatrists" who research things like subliminal
advertising and scent-compulsive drugs for fragrances and magazine ads.
There is an underground group who sell feromones and aphrodisiacs for a
price. Have you asked yourself where--and how--they research
aphrodisiacs?--and who funds it? Have you wondered how Musk Oil came to be
used as a cosmetic fragrance?--experimentation with the sentient sex gland
harmones from animals. The Advertising and Marketing Industries certainly
have a stake in it. It could be that Psychs fund their own research or
channel government funding toward such testing--keeping their clientele at
arm's length.

Psychiatry and Scientology are birds of a feather. They can use each other
to their own benefit when it works.

Two advantages Psychiatry has that make them less menacing than Scientology
are 1) that Psychiatry gets most of its funding from goverment and cartel
capital (except for the lucrative Medicare and Social Security Income
accounts--and some wealthy individual institutionalizations), whereas
Scientology has to directly devastate and brain-wash its customers for their
capital sums. 2) Psychiatry is under FDA and Medical Examiner's Boards'
tutelage, and are subject to Malpractice suits. Scientology, especially
when considered a religion is exempt from government encroachment, as well
as most private litigation, or even prosecution.

>You have written a very moving post and out of respect for your own
>personal privacy, I must ask if you wish to continue giving answers to
>many other questions that I have.

My whole purpose in life--at least until I resolve this issue--is to expose
the duplicity of Scientology.

>Believe me, if you decline, I promise to drop this thread.
>Satisfying my curiosity is not a very good reason to answer questions
>of a very personal nature, IMO.
>Unless *you* want to.

Ask away. I was just surprised because of the "OSA-style" with which you

entered this newsgroup. If my big mouth lands me in court with COS, it will

have accomplished something my pen and my computer have failed to do.

>Good luck
>jack

---David Alexander