An IAS event I attended...
Anti-Reg
lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
enlighten you.
When I first entered Scientology in 1987, the IAS (an organization set up to
protect Scientology) only required a yearly ($300) or lifetime ($2,000)
membership. I don't ever remember them asking members for more money after
they had already purchased their memberships.
In the mid 1990s, the IAS really stepped up its fund raising activities.
While IAS events had been held before, they suddenly became more common and
transformed into group reg cycles. And let me tell you, IAS regs make org
regs look like Avon ladies.
In the last four years of my membership in the Co$, the IAS regularly sent
teams around to local orgs to hold fund-raising "events". A single
representative of the IAS would come a week in advance and get as many
"confirms" as possible. Then on the day of the event, they would bring in a
professional reg to work the crowd that had been assembled.
One particular event stands out in my mind. It was about two years ago on a
Saturday night. They had assembled about 40 of us in a room. A Sea Org IAS
reg, who I had dealings with previously (more on this later) was running the
show. Her name was Bridget and she was one of the most agressive, ruthless,
unreasonable regs I have ever met.
Toward the beginning of the meeting, we were informed that she needed to
raise $28,000 that night. Over the course of the evening she used every
peer-pressure, group-manipulation tactic imaginable to get the people in the
audience to part with their money.
I won't bore you with all the details, but here are a few of her finer
moments:
At one point she told the audience, "If the person next to you hasn't
donated yet, nudge them and let them know they need to."
Then later she brought an adorable little girl (a staff member's daughter)
to the front of the room and said "If someone will donate $5,000 we will
give this girl an IAS cap" and then waved the cap in front of the little
girl just out of her reach.
And of course there was the ever present "psychiatrists are ruining the
world", "the German government is picking on us", etc. etc.
Some audience members participated as well. In an effort to get others to
donate, one woman said, "We are still paying off debt from the early
eighties but we find the money to donate."
This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was tired and
hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over $2,000 that
night. Others there dropped much more.
When I got home that night I noticed a message on my answering machine. It
was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and that
she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not available
but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That would
elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to heavily reg
me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her because
she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
I know this sounds unbelievable, but every word of it is true.
The Anti-Reg
"I got regged one too many times!"
Steve Zadarnowski
>I know this sounds unbelievable, but every word of it is true.
No, it sounds like other reports of relentless pressure
to pump money into Scientology, and every bit as
merciless as we've come to expect.
S
Keith Henson
> I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen a
> lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
> don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
> enlighten you.
Thank you very much for this post.
> When I first entered Scientology in 1987, the IAS (an organization set up to
> protect Scientology) only required a yearly ($300) or lifetime ($2,000)
> membership. I don't ever remember them asking members for more money after
> they had already purchased their memberships.
> In the mid 1990s, the IAS really stepped up its fund raising activities.
Hmm. Was this after Jan 1995? Reason I ask is that is the point where scn
begin to duke it out with the net.
> While IAS events had been held before, they suddenly became more common and
> transformed into group reg cycles. And let me tell you, IAS regs make org
> regs look like Avon ladies.
I can see why. As little as they do for course/auditing, they do
*nothing* for IAS money.
> In the last four years of my membership in the Co$, the IAS regularly sent
> teams around to local orgs to hold fund-raising "events". A single
> representative of the IAS would come a week in advance and get as many
> "confirms" as possible. Then on the day of the event, they would bring in a
> professional reg to work the crowd that had been assembled.
snip (some story!)
Man, talk about playing on human weaknesses!
Keith Henson
Safe ... www.fza.org
experiences.
One time in Clearwater there was suppose to be a special guest actor holding
a "special event" at the Sand Castle. It was the black guy on the old
Berretta show ... the pimp. I forget his name. He's suppose to be a high OT
level. So I innocently went to the event and he started in a speech about
religious freedom and how he felt it was his mission to protect the upper
end of the bridge but IAS needs money to do this.
Then he started putting INDIVIDUALS on the spot with ... "How much are you
going to donate?" after several other people had pledged thousands. I was
broke at the time and very embarassed, ashamed, and mad all at once and
shouted "THIS IS BULLSHIT!" and then walked out. The other people were
stunned.
He was stunned too and went into a justification to me as I was walking out
that he was the "wrong person I should be 'ridging' with, it's the psychs
and SPs."
I was so disgusted and disappointed. I felt conned. I was in disbelief that
this deception could happen in my church. I thought this was just a happy
"event" that I was going to. There was no forwarning it was a reg cycle.
Another time I was in the L.A. Org. It announced a "big breakthrough" in
handling the suppression of the "psychs." What happened was a lecture about
how much money IAS needed to handle the psychs. They would go around and ask
the audience if one would pledge $1000, would another match him. They had to
raise $20,000+ also and said nobody was leaving until the group had met its
goal. I and my friend ended up walking out in disgust in spite of the group
peer pressure to stay there until it was over.
BOTH of these events happened in the 90's ... L.A. org in the late 90's.
By the way, annual membership to IAS is now $450 a year and Lifetime is
$3000. You HAVE to have a membership in order to buy Church of Scientology,
Inc. services.
Safe
"Anti-Reg" <Ant...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:82fhn7$6cd$1...@news.aros.net...
> I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen
a
> lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists).
I
> don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
> enlighten you.
>
Lronscam
Anti-Reg wrote:
>
> I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen a
> lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
> don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
> enlighten you.
If people know, they aren't saying.
>
> When I first entered Scientology in 1987, the IAS (an organization set up to
> protect Scientology) only required a yearly ($300) or lifetime ($2,000)
> membership. I don't ever remember them asking members for more money after
> they had already purchased their memberships.
>
> In the mid 1990s, the IAS really stepped up its fund raising activities.
> While IAS events had been held before, they suddenly became more common and
> transformed into group reg cycles. And let me tell you, IAS regs make org
> regs look like Avon ladies.
I can imagine. IAS money is *all* profit. There is no middle man to go
through and there is no hassle at all.
There is another thing here. Davey is the one who is responsible for
this. He is just looking for the short run. Never does he mind what will
happen in a few years. If you ask me, this evidence suggests a weaker
Scientology but a wealthier one.
>
> In the last four years of my membership in the Co$, the IAS regularly sent
> teams around to local orgs to hold fund-raising "events". A single
> representative of the IAS would come a week in advance and get as many
> "confirms" as possible. Then on the day of the event, they would bring in a
> professional reg to work the crowd that had been assembled.
>
> One particular event stands out in my mind. It was about two years ago on a
> Saturday night. They had assembled about 40 of us in a room. A Sea Org IAS
> reg, who I had dealings with previously (more on this later) was running the
> show. Her name was Bridget and she was one of the most agressive, ruthless,
> unreasonable regs I have ever met.
>
> Toward the beginning of the meeting, we were informed that she needed to
> raise $28,000 that night. Over the course of the evening she used every
> peer-pressure, group-manipulation tactic imaginable to get the people in the
> audience to part with their money.
>
> I won't bore you with all the details,
Please do. I am willing to hear every boring detail. If anything, it
will be recorded on Dejanews.
but here are a few of her finer
> moments:
>
> At one point she told the audience, "If the person next to you hasn't
> donated yet, nudge them and let them know they need to."
>
> Then later she brought an adorable little girl (a staff member's daughter)
> to the front of the room and said "If someone will donate $5,000 we will
> give this girl an IAS cap" and then waved the cap in front of the little
> girl just out of her reach.
>
> And of course there was the ever present "psychiatrists are ruining the
> world", "the German government is picking on us", etc. etc.
>
> Some audience members participated as well. In an effort to get others to
> donate, one woman said, "We are still paying off debt from the early
> eighties but we find the money to donate."
>
> This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was tired and
> hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over $2,000 that
> night. Others there dropped much more.
Sucker! ;0)
>
> When I got home that night I noticed a message on my answering machine. It
> was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and that
> she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
> answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not available
> but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That would
> elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to heavily reg
> me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her because
> she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
>
> I know this sounds unbelievable, but every word of it is true.
I believe every word of it. I have seen the regs in action. I was never
around when the IAS meant much other than totoal profit over and above
the course you took. Who has ever heard of such a 'church' who has a
membership and your spiritual liveliness depends on you being a paid
member of that organization.
Lronscam
Anti-Reg wrote:
>
>
BTW, keep talking. This is the kind of stuff I love to hear. For some
reason I never hear stories like this.
Yours for knowing how to know.
Dobe R Mann
>I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen a
>lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
>don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
>enlighten you.
(chomp)
>
>This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was tired and
>hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over $2,000 that
>night. Others there dropped much more.
>
>When I got home that night I noticed a message on my answering machine. It
>was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and that
>she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
>answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not available
>but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That would
>elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to heavily reg
>me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her because
>she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
>
>I know this sounds unbelievable, but every word of it is true.
>
>The Anti-Reg
>
>"I got regged one too many times!"
Hello Anti-Reg and welcome. Glad to see you here and posting.
As to your posting.... I am wondering if Russell or Lurkmonster have any
comments about this kind of behavior.
Dobe R Mann
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>I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen a
>lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
>don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
>enlighten you.
[snip tales of larceny]
I can well believe this. In the late 1970s, there used to be something
called the Safe Environment Fund, established ostensibly to "create a
safe environment for Scientology". Is the IAS the successor to the SEF?
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Safe
"Safe ... www.fza.org" <Sa...@scientology.at> wrote in message
news:384c2...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't
seen
> a
> > lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of
Scientologists).
> I
> > don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let
me
> > enlighten you.
> >
Mike O'Connor
<Sa...@scientology.at> wrote:
>One time in Clearwater there was suppose to be a special guest actor holding
>a "special event" at the Sand Castle. It was the black guy on the old
>Berretta show ... the pimp. I forget his name. He's suppose to be a high OT
>level. So I innocently went to the event and he started in a speech about
>religious freedom and how he felt it was his mission to protect the upper
>end of the bridge but IAS needs money to do this.
Antonio Fargas played "Huggy Bear" on Baretta.
--
Mike O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com>
<http://www.leptonicsystems.com>
Indanm
damage to the Church, when naive people, who may be toying with the idea of
$cientology, log onto this fabulous newsgroup.
I had a terrible experience when I was at Celebrity Center a few years ago. We
were all herded into a room to get a briefing from Michael Roberts on the
ongoing fight against the Psychs, Germany et al. He used all his acting ability
to muster up great intensity and urgency. Again, each person in the room was
put on the spot, and I could see my turn was coming up. I felt great
nervousness, how I would imagine feeling in a bank robbery in North Hollywood.
There were 'guards' (staff members) posted at the doors to prevent people
leaving. Even though I was an active scieno at the time I felt this was such an
affront to my personal liberty that I stood up and pushed my way out. I was
chased down the corridor by Cathy Garcia (CC chief reg.) but I left the
building.
I have never donated a penny to the IAS since and never will.
Future808
>When I first entered Scientology in 1987, the IAS (an organization >set up to
protect Scientology) only required a yearly ($300) or >lifetime ($2,000)
membership. I don't ever remember them asking >members for more money after
they had already purchased their >memberships.
Yep. At first it was a thing everyone pretty much did out of pride, then IAS
regging turned into the most brutal push for money I've ever seen.
>>in the last four years of my membership in the Co$, the IAS >>regularly sent
teams around to local orgs to hold fund-raising >>"events". A single
representative of the IAS would come a week in >>advance and get as
many"confirms" as possible. Then on the day >>of the event, they would bring
in a professional reg to work the >>crowd that had been assembled.
And work it they did. I recall one "event" where the reg (sorry, don't recall
the name) said that if this was 100 years agot the IAS would be asking us for
wheat or straw to keep the farm going. And that money was the same thing and
didn't we want to keep the farm going.
What totally disgusted me (this was near the time I finally left $cn for good)
was a phone call I overheard in the org the afternoon of the day a particular
IAS event was going to happen. The Sea Borger in town doing the fund raising
was on the phone to the boss, and they were planning what time the boss was
going to call during the event. They were discussing how to whip the crowd into
a frenzy, how this reg was to tell the audiance the phone call was not
rehearsed, scripted etc. Later that evening the reg totally LIED to the
audiance and said there was a special phone call for ________org, this was some
important information that had JUST come in, this boss at the IAS just HAD to
let _______org know since there was an IAS rep in town. Except that it had all
been planned hours before. And the same spiel was given the next day in another
org in another town.
Another point I haven't seen posted regarding the IAS events is how much it
pissed off the small and struggling orgs. I've seen public that had been regged
for a year for a course, couldn't come up with $10 and then turn around and
give $2000 to the IAS. For small and struggling orgs (read: just about all of
them) this created a lot of pissed of staff members. IAS comes to town and rips
off the public, disappears, comes back the next quarter and wonders why they
can't get squeeze more each time. Another foot - bullet.
Also not mentioned is the fact (last I knew of) that the regs do get a 10%
comission. I (regretfully now) helped out on some IAS reg cycles and was
surprised to see a check several weeks later for 10% of what I had raised. I
thought we were saving mankind, not making profits.
I have no idea how much the IAS gets a year now, but 10% of that is still quite
a bit of money.
Anti-Reg, keep up the good posting. I'm yet another who can verify that what
you've written about is true.
Ex-CMO
OSA I'm watching YOU
Neal Hamel
<chr...@lutefisk.OISPAMNOdemon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <82fhn7$6cd$1...@news.aros.net>, Anti-Reg <Ant...@hotmail.com>
>writes
>>I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen a
>>lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
>>don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
>>enlighten you.
>
>[snip tales of larceny]
>
>I can well believe this. In the late 1970s, there used to be something
>called the Safe Environment Fund, established ostensibly to "create a
>safe environment for Scientology". Is the IAS the successor to the SEF?
Chris,
The IAS existed since the 50's, long before the creation of the SEF.
The SEF was formed to raise money for the "Scientology Eleven". The name
"Safe Environment Fund" was chosen because of surveys. You seldom see such a
disparity between the name and its function - even in Scientology.
-Neal H.
MaranAtha
The IAS was formed in 1984 (coincidence??) long after SEF and was
deliberately made to look like the successor to Hubbards various
incarnations of HASI.
--
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Before you buy.
MaranAtha
"Anti-Reg" <Ant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't
seen a
> lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of
Scientologists). I
> don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so
let me
> enlighten you.
>
set up to
> protect Scientology) only required a yearly ($300) or lifetime
($2,000)
> membership. I don't ever remember them asking members for more money
after
> they had already purchased their memberships.
You were lucky then - from the moment the IAS was set up it was
designed for one thing only - to raise money and to stash it in
untraceable accounts with absolutely no public or even "in scientology"
accountability. None whatsoever.
The whole "Patron" Honor Roll and Sponsor business was started in
November 1984 and there were many many tales just like yours of people
being "hard sold" on donating money.
>
> In the mid 1990s, the IAS really stepped up its fund raising
activities.
> While IAS events had been held before, they suddenly became more
common and
> transformed into group reg cycles. And let me tell you, IAS regs
make org
> regs look like Avon ladies.
I am sure that Ms Rhea has passed on your comments to the IAS regges
- they will be very proud to hear this. (and no, I am not being ironic
or sarcastic)
>
> In the last four years of my membership in the Co$, the IAS regularly
sent
> teams around to local orgs to hold fund-raising "events". A single
> representative of the IAS would come a week in advance and get as many
> "confirms" as possible. Then on the day of the event, they would
bring in a
> professional reg to work the crowd that had been assembled.
This follows the Aides Order on Flag World Tours.
>
> One particular event stands out in my mind. It was about two years
ago on a
> Saturday night. They had assembled about 40 of us in a room. A Sea
Org IAS
> reg, who I had dealings with previously (more on this later) was
running the
> show. Her name was Bridget and she was one of the most agressive,
ruthless,
> unreasonable regs I have ever met.
Your message has probably been printed off and sent to Bridget and
will probaboly be a ocmmendation in her ethics file by now.
>
> Toward the beginning of the meeting, we were informed that she needed
to
> raise $28,000 that night. Over the course of the evening she used
every
> peer-pressure, group-manipulation tactic imaginable to get the people
in the
> audience to part with their money.
well yes - she was trying to make her quota and get her commissions..
>
> I won't bore you with all the details, but here are a few of her finer
> moments:
>
> At one point she told the audience, "If the person next to you hasn't
> donated yet, nudge them and let them know they need to."
>
> Then later she brought an adorable little girl (a staff member's
daughter)
> to the front of the room and said "If someone will donate $5,000 we
will
> give this girl an IAS cap" and then waved the cap in front of the
little
> girl just out of her reach.
>
> And of course there was the ever present "psychiatrists are ruining
the
> world", "the German government is picking on us", etc. etc.
>
> Some audience members participated as well. In an effort to get
others to
> donate, one woman said, "We are still paying off debt from the early
> eighties but we find the money to donate."
Oh don't you just love these people - if it wasn't for them being
ever willing to squeeze that extra couple of grand ...
>
> This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was
tired and
> hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over
$2,000 that
> night. Others there dropped much more.
see - it worked!!
>
> When I got home that night I noticed a message on my answering
machine. It
> was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and
that
> she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
> answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not
available
> but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That
would
> elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to
heavily reg
> me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her
because
> she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
Yep, thats Bridget. Surprised she is still doing it.
MaranAtha
Lronscam <NOSPAML...@aol.com> wrote:
> I believe every word of it. I have seen the regs in action. I was
never
> around when the IAS meant much other than totoal profit over and above
> the course you took. Who has ever heard of such a 'church' who has a
> membership and your spiritual liveliness depends on you being a paid
> member of that organization.
>
There was NEVER a time when the IAS was about anything other than
accumulating huge piles of money.
That is all it was set up for, that is all it has ever been about.
Untraceable unaccountable money.
But as Old Velcro was busy bragging - there are soooo many
scientologists who earn soooo much money that it is no problem for them
to funnel large amouonts of cash to something over which they have no
control and for which they get no return.
Tommy
>
> In article <82fhn7$6cd$1...@news.aros.net>, "Anti-Reg" <Ant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen a
> >lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I
> >don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
> >enlighten you.
>
>
> >
> >This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was tired and
> >hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over $2,000 that
> >night. Others there dropped much more.
> >
> >was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and that
> >she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
> >answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not available
> >but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That would
> >elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to heavily reg
> >me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her because
> >she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
> >
> >
> >The Anti-Reg
> >
> >"I got regged one too many times!"
>
> Hello Anti-Reg and welcome. Glad to see you here and posting.
>
> As to your posting.... I am wondering if Russell or Lurkmonster have any
> comments about this kind of behavior.
>
C'mon, Dobe - you know the drill.
Flatly deny that it happened, then declare it apochryphal, then say it
was an aberration and that they certainly don't do things like that at
*my* org - yada yada yada blah blah blah.
Tommy
--
L.Ron Hubbard on trying to get $cientology declared a religion for tax
purposes:
"I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion,
we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less
customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be
necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could
make it stick."
Best Regards,
Ron
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
Please turn off HTML, it makes the post unreadable for
people like me. :(
On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 00:13:46 -0600, greg <mo...@ou.edu> wrote:
><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
>Bravo!!!!! Its called guts and charisma...something those cowerdly brainwashers
>lack.
><p>Indanm wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>This is a great posting and hopefully the kind that
>will do great deal of
><br>damage to the Church, when naive people, who may be toying with the
>idea of
><br>$cientology, log onto this fabulous newsgroup.
><p>I had a terrible experience when I was at Celebrity Center a few years
>ago. We
><br>were all herded into a room to get a briefing from Michael Roberts
>on the
><br>ongoing fight against the Psychs, Germany et al. He used all his acting
>ability
><br>to muster up great intensity and urgency. Again, each person in the
>room was
><br>put on the spot, and I could see my turn was coming up. I felt great
><br>nervousness, how I would imagine feeling in a bank robbery in North
>Hollywood.
><br>There were 'guards' (staff members) posted at the doors to prevent
>people
><br>leaving. Even though I was an active scieno at the time I felt this
>was such an
><br>affront to my personal liberty that I stood up and pushed my way out.
>I was
><br>chased down the corridor by Cathy Garcia (CC chief reg.) but I left
>the
><br>building.
><p>I have never donated a penny to the IAS since and never will.</blockquote>
></html>
Best wishes, SP4 & Adm. TOXE CXI
Andreas Heldal-Lund, Normannsgaten 9, N-4013 Stavanger, Norway
Pho: +47 88 00 66 66 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: hel...@online.no
home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
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"Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could
have acted, the indifference of those who should have known
better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered
most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
- Haile Selassie
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M. C. DiPietra
Maybe you can tell me if my perceptions of a brochure I recently saw
make sense.
The brochure was for a course I'd never seen before, called the OT
Hatting Course, given on the Freewinds. It said you could be anywhere
on the Bridge, and the only prerequisite was the Student Hat Course or
another low-level course, I forget which one.
From the success stories and other info in the brochure, I read
between the lines and saw that it seemed like they wre asking one to
pay for a "course" that showed one how to *sell OT* to their friends
and relatives.
Like an MLM or Ponzi.
Would that be possible?
Thanks,
---http://maggiecouncil.iuma.com
M.C.DiPietra <mdip...@earthlink.net>, SP4
"Hell, if you understood everything I say,
you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
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In article <384c2...@news2.lightlink.com>, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
<Sa...@scientology.at> wrote:
>What you're saying is the truth. I know it is. I've had a couple simular
>experiences.
>
>One time in Clearwater there was suppose to be a special guest actor holding
>a "special event" at the Sand Castle. It was the black guy on the old
>Berretta show ... the pimp. I forget his name. He's suppose to be a high OT
>level. So I innocently went to the event and he started in a speech about
>religious freedom and how he felt it was his mission to protect the upper
>end of the bridge but IAS needs money to do this.
>
>> I have been monitoring this newsgroup for some time now and I haven't seen
>a
>> lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists).
>I
>> don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
>> enlighten you.
>>
Ted Mayett
<hkhe...@netcom15.netcom.com> wrote:
>Anti-Reg <Ant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In the mid 1990s, the IAS really stepped up its fund raising activities.
>
>Hmm. Was this after Jan 1995? Reason I ask is that is the point where scn
>begin to duke it out with the net.
>
I believe it was sometime in late1994, at least here in Vegas, that
IAS "events" were held about every 6 weeks. typically under phony or
misleading names for the events. And it was like this author wrote...
extremely aggressive. Here the group of women he described would
audio-tape the events.
Lronscam
> What totally disgusted me (this was near the time I finally left $cn for good)
> was a phone call I overheard in the org the afternoon of the day a particular
> IAS event was going to happen. The Sea Borger in town doing the fund raising
> was on the phone to the boss, and they were planning what time the boss was
> going to call during the event. They were discussing how to whip the crowd into
> a frenzy, how this reg was to tell the audiance the phone call was not
> rehearsed, scripted etc. Later that evening the reg totally LIED to the
> audiance and said there was a special phone call for ________org, this was some
> important information that had JUST come in, this boss at the IAS just HAD to
> let _______org know since there was an IAS rep in town. Except that it had all
> been planned hours before. And the same spiel was given the next day in another
> org in another town.
>
>
This sounds like what happens on ARS. I don't think all of the
Scientologists here on ARS are OSA lackeys, but there are some. They
will lie to you right to your face and think nothing of it. Someday,
when they leave Scientology, which seems like most people do eventually,
they will be ashamed of how they acted. There were things that I
thought, but never did in my brief stay in Scientology. I am ashamed of
just the idea of it all.
Rebecca Jo McLaughlin
> Antonio Fargas played "Huggy Bear" on Baretta.
Starsky and Hutch.
Beck
old enough to remember
Owen Roe
around that they offered a standing $1,000 bet.
The bartender would squeeze a lemon until all of the juice ran into a
glass, then hand the lemon to a patron. Anyone who could squeeze out one
more drop of juice would win the money. Many people had tried over time
— weightlifters, longshoremen, wrestlers — but nobody could do it.
One day this scrawny little man wearing thick glasses and a polyester
suit came in and said in a tiny, squeaky voice, "I'd like to try the
bet." After the laughter had died down, the bartender said, "OK,"
grabbed a lemon and squeezed away. He then handed the wrinkled remains
of the rind to the little man.
The crowd's laughter turned to silence as the man clenched his fist
around the lemon and six drops fell into the glass. As the crowd
cheered, the bartender paid the $1,000 and asked the little man, "What
do you do for a living?" Are you a lumberjack, a weight lifter or what?"
"I'm a registrar for the I.A.S."
Mike O'Connor
<bec...@umich.edu> wrote:
Ooh! Oh well, I feel young again!
Dobe R Mann
>> >I know this sounds unbelievable, but every word of it is true.
>> >
>> >The Anti-Reg
>> >
>> >"I got regged one too many times!"
>>
>> Hello Anti-Reg and welcome. Glad to see you here and posting.
>>
>> As to your posting.... I am wondering if Russell or Lurkmonster have any
>> comments about this kind of behavior.
>
>C'mon, Dobe - you know the drill.
>Flatly deny that it happened, then declare it apochryphal, then say it
>was an aberration and that they certainly don't do things like that at
>*my* org - yada yada yada blah blah blah.
>
> Tommy
>
Well... <sigh> I thought I might at least ask. ;-/
Russell Shaw
Dobe R Mann wrote in message ...
a
>>lot of postings on the IAS (International Association of Scientologists).
I
>>don't know if it's that people don't know what they are up to... so let me
>>enlighten you.
>
>
>>
>>This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was tired
and
>>hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over $2,000
that
>>night. Others there dropped much more.
>>
>>When I got home that night I noticed a message on my answering machine.
It
>>was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and that
>>she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
>>answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not
available
>>but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That would
>>elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to heavily
reg
>>me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her
because
>>she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
>>
>>
>>The Anti-Reg
>>
>>"I got regged one too many times!"
>
>Hello Anti-Reg and welcome. Glad to see you here and posting.
>
>As to your posting.... I am wondering if Russell or Lurkmonster have any
>comments about this kind of behavior.
I have *never* liked "being regged". In fact, I hate it. This year I have
given $11,000 to the IAS. But if anyone ever _calls me_ I tell them that
~if~ I *was* going to send the money, I am not going to now. Don't call me,
and I might send money. Call me and I won't. Anything that looks like it
could be a reg event is something I don't go to. Ever.
But in this regard, I am rare. The sad truth is that most will give the
money *only* if the reg event occurs. Which is why they continue to have
them.
Beverly Rice
> > "Anti-Reg" <Ant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>This kind of stuff went on for over four hours, until everyone was tired
> and
> >>hungry and the quota was finally met. I ended up dropping over $2,000
> that
> >>night. Others there dropped much more.
> >>
> >>When I got home that night I noticed a message on my answering machine.
> It
> >>was an IAS representative who was saying how proud she was of me and that
> >>she wanted me to call her that night. So I called the org and Bridget
> >>answered. Bridget said the representative who had called was not
> available
> >>but then asked, "Would you be able to donate another $3,000? That would
> >>elevate you to the next level of sponsorship!" She proceded to heavily
> reg
> >>me for the next 15 minutes until I pretty much had to hang up on her
> because
> >>she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
> I have *never* liked "being regged". In fact, I hate it.
I believe you :-)
I never had the priviledge of being regged in Co$ because I never
went to any of their meetings when I would be called and told it
was "mandatory".
They had me during the day working for their Applied Scholastics
front group, my evenings were for my ~family~, which, thank God,
were not involved in the Co$.
I did get to listen to some of the more interesting highlights
of these "mandatory" meetings afterwards.
Precious moments, such as, "sell your truck", or forgoing other
handy little necessities (sp) because the IAS has a much greater
priority in saving the planet.
I know the drill though. I got it when I was in The Way
International. But it wasn't for money, it was always to either
join The Way Corps, or to "sponsor" someone who had chosen to
serve God by joining The Way Corps.
Of course, I have also experienced the same thing by being
foolish enough to allow a salesman in to my home to discuss
Burial and Cemetary plots to my husband and I several years
ago.
It was really interesting to see him pull out the data on what
was available as far as services and "grief needs".
However, Ihave to admit, when he pulled out a map of the Cemetary and
began describing the different areas, my husband and I could no longer
contain ourselves when he got to the "garden" of eternal rest and
explained to us that the middle of that area (more expensive) was
watched over by a "Rotating Jesus". :-)
Hahahahahaha!!!
My husband and I both just kind of blinked, then looked at each
other, and then just laughed, and laughed, and laughed.
Honestly . . . a "Rotating Jesus". Puhhhhh-leeeeze!!
Oh well, point I'm making is it is all the same thing . . . we want
to ~sell~ you something.
However, I do think a "Rotating Jesus" is a far better buy than
a membership with the IAS. :-)
> But in this regard, I am rare.
Yes, you are rare <g>.
> The sad truth is that most will give the money *only* if the
> reg event occurs. Which is why they continue to have them.
And is also proof that the minds of Co$ members are maleable, just
like the average consumer in a Capitalistic country.
Thanks for being honest, Russ. It is very much appreciated.
Beverly
Russell Shaw
Beverly Rice wrote in message <384F93...@ao.net>...
>> I have *never* liked "being regged". In fact, I hate it.
>
>I believe you :-)
Now, see - we are getting somewhere, already! :-)
>Of course, I have also experienced the same thing by being
>foolish enough to allow a salesman in to my home to discuss
>Burial and Cemetary plots to my husband and I several years
>ago.
>
>It was really interesting to see him pull out the data on what
>was available as far as services and "grief needs".
>
>However, Ihave to admit, when he pulled out a map of the Cemetary and
>began describing the different areas, my husband and I could no longer
>contain ourselves when he got to the "garden" of eternal rest and
>explained to us that the middle of that area (more expensive) was
>watched over by a "Rotating Jesus". :-)
Well, something like that IS going to cost more!
>
>Hahahahahaha!!!
>
>My husband and I both just kind of blinked, then looked at each
>other, and then just laughed, and laughed, and laughed.
>
>Honestly . . . a "Rotating Jesus". Puhhhhh-leeeeze!!
>
>Oh well, point I'm making is it is all the same thing . . . we want
>to ~sell~ you something.
>
>However, I do think a "Rotating Jesus" is a far better buy than
>a membership with the IAS. :-)
Now Beverly, THAT'S where we disagree! :-)
Lronscam
>
> Dobe R Mann wrote in message ...
> >In article <82fhn7$6cd$1...@news.aros.net>, "Anti-Reg" <Ant...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>"I got regged one too many times!"
> >
> >Hello Anti-Reg and welcome. Glad to see you here and posting.
> >
> >As to your posting.... I am wondering if Russell or Lurkmonster have any
> >comments about this kind of behavior.
>
> I have *never* liked "being regged". In fact, I hate it. This year I have
> given $11,000 to the IAS. But if anyone ever _calls me_ I tell them that
> ~if~ I *was* going to send the money, I am not going to now. Don't call me,
> and I might send money. Call me and I won't. Anything that looks like it
> could be a reg event is something I don't go to. Ever.
>
> money *only* if the reg event occurs. Which is why they continue to have
> them.
>
Russ, I thought courses were supposed to take care of any kind of money
problem in Scientology? In all honesty, regging is salesmanship. You
won't see that in any respectable establishment. I know there are
requests for money, but nothing in the line that the regs at Scientology
do.
I have a little story about high pressure sales. Nothing compared to
what Anti-Reg has to say. When I was almost done my Objectives course
the registrar brought me in his room. He starting asking me questions
about my finances and how I was going to pay for my next course. I told
him I was not going to take another course for awhile. He stepped up his
pressure on me and when he found out that I was not going to take
another course, there just happened to be another registrar there.
Incidentally, there were money problems at my org and I think higher ups
wanted to know why it was so downstat. The second reg was transferred
there.
The new reg decided to get my auditing partner and I together to see how
we were both going to pay for a new course. My partner had some pretty
high credit card bills but still had a credit-line left. The reg started
to ask him if he could lend me some money so I could stay on the bridge.
I was getting agitated at this time and I flat out said 'no'; I was
adamant about it and so was my partner. We discussed it briefly, but not
to the extent that it should have been discussed. He and I were alike,
we had some goals and no stupid Scientologists was going to get in the
way.
From what he told me he was sold an Emeter, when in fact he didn't need
one for at least a year. He was kind of pissed off about it. I didn't
blame him. It was just so obnoxious of them to do such a thing. And you
wonder why people like me are not Scientologists?
My point is that with the high cost of everything, don't you think that
Scientologist do enough? When is enough enough?
Some examples of cost to expense ratio:
I think Emeters cost Scientology around $100 a piece to make, yet they
are sold for $4,000 dollars and you have to send them back for
calibration every so often. Even then people spent another $600 for an
alleged chip upgrade. Some fairly fast computers don't cost that much
and you get a computer monitor, CD rom drive and a hard drive big enough
to last you an inexhaustible amount of space, or so they claim.
David Miscavage claimed that Scientology sold 10,000 of them a year --
if you can believe anything he says. I would have to guess it is less
than that, but what do I know? Even if you half those numbers that still
equals $20,000,000 for a large Ohm Meter. Quite a nice profit, I'd say.
Scientology sells books of LRH for top dollar. Some books cost $100 and
as little as $25. Books themselves don't cost much to manufacture. They
are very cheap. What costs so much is that there are so many people
involved in the process. Considering the Sea Org members usually run
shows like this, with them getting $20 a week and such, I assume there
is a great mark up on these as well. I bet there isn't a book of
Scientology's that cost more than $5 to make.
Now comes the purif. What is the purif running for now a days? I bet it
is at least $2,000, and for what? Sitting in a sauna for 3 weeks. You
even have to buy your own vitamins *after* you have paid for the purif
which, incidentally, they don't tell you until after they get their
money. Another $20 a week added to an already outrageous cost. Oh, don't
forget about the book as well. The stupid picture book that a kid could
read for another $25. I bet that cost them around $.50 to make. If
anyone wants to know what it looks like, just imagine when you were
young and you had those coloring books. It isn't much different. There
is also a portion where they describe how SPs work. One thing that all
courses, more than likely, do is instill in Scientologists that
invalidation is the worst crime of the century.
I could go on and on and on, but I won't. The cost/expense ratio just
doesn't make Scientology a poor organization. They don't need the IAS
money. It is just nice to have. Since it is really not giving a person
something, it must be high on Davey's priority list.
When people leave Scientology, one can only wonder why. To me, it is not
that people leave that makes me curious, it is when people stay. =0)