My own apology. Sort of.
thorazine shuffle
to it for a while now.
I really wish I would have spent a lot more time reading before I ever
posted anything. I severely underestimated the intelligence of most of the
folks here. I've shot my mouth off about things that I had no business
discussing.
To those that I have offended, or bored, or who's time I've simply wasted
with my posts, I apologize.
I'm learning as I go, and I read everything I can get my hands on.
That being said, the one thing I have going for me is a very strong nose for
bullshit. It's what brought me here. If I've called you an asshole, you most
likely are. I stand by it. Fuck you.
Quaoar
Don't worry one second about whatever you think you have done. This is
UseNet, the land of free expression. There are no rules.
Q
Out_Of_The_Dark
wrote:
You've been tolerant of my foibles so far and I'm grateful ;) But
does todays comment to Durks still count? " a lying, self-serving,
attention seeking cunt of a 'man'. " lol!
You are right. It is very wise to read up on everything one can get
their hands on. There is so much available on the net. Since you are
reading often, could you please let me know of any sites you believe
should be on this list I am compiling, copy below:
I find that these are essential for the new reader:
A.R.S.. Short FAQ for Newcomers version 0.12
http://suburbia.net/%7efun/scn/links/ufaq.txt
Friend of Mankind: 4 part documentary compiled from news broadcasts
www.xenutv.com/friendofmankind.htm
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews with ex-members of the
Church of Scientology, exploring their reasons for joining, staying,
and leaving. http://alley.ethercat.com/door/ Do your's online, too.
The death of L Ron Hubbard: Documents and facts
http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/
Are the mysterious deaths of Lisa McPherson and L. Ron Hubbard
connected? http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/hubbard_death.htm
Documents Of A Lifetime - the uncensored L. Ron Hubbard papers
http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/lrhpaper.htm
A PIECE OF BLUE SKY by Jon Atack
www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/atack/
Top 20 pages visited on Lermanet.com
http://www.lermanet2.com/top20.html
Operation Clambake presents: Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html
Documenting critical information in the news and on the web:
The Scientology Critical Information Directory
http://www.xenu-directory
Those, along with the list below, are just a few of the many sites
with valuable information OSA does not want you need to read. These
are not placed in any particular order outside of category:
http://www.altreligionscientology.org/
http://www.Factnet.org Lawrence Wollersheim's Cult information site
http://www.xenu.net Andreas Heldal-Lund's Operation Clambake
http://www.torymagoo.org Tory Christman (formerly Bezazian)
http://www.lermanet.com Arnie Lerma's 4500+ pages of Exposing the Con
http://www.xenutv.com The Mark Bunker Video & Audio archives for ex-
scns
http://www.antisectes.net Roger Gonnet, Former President of COS France
http://www.lisamcpherson.org Jeff Jacobsen's site dedicated to Lisa
http://www.xenu-directory.net The critics 'Who What where'
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/
http://www.factnet.org/
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/ supporter and critic testimonies
http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77
http://www.antisectes.net Roger Gonnet, fmr Pres. COS France
http://www.lisamcpherson.org
http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk Hartley Patterson ARSCC
http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm Tory on OSA
http://www.holysmoke.org
http://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Henson
http://www.stop-narconon.org
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ Dave Touretzky's 'The COS's Wacky
secrets'
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/ 4 the Critical study of
Scientology
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.info To counter RFW disinformation.
http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/Scientology_Cult_Videos_197_2006.php
http://www.perkinstragedy.org Jeremy & Elle Perkins Tragedy
http://www.ScienTOMogy.com
http://www.suentology.com
http://www.raids.org
http://www.lermanet.com/paulette-cooper updated June 2007
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com Lisa McPherson story (video)
http://www.entheta.net/
http://www.modemac.com/cos
http://www.StopScientology.com
http://www.paulettecooper.com/
http://www.StopScientology.com
http://www.whatisscientology.net
http://www.parishioners.info
http://www.scientology-lies.com. Kristi Wachter's site
http://www.stopdisconnection.com
http://www.disconnectioninscientology.com
http://truthaboutscientology.com Critical Facts, COS Stats and info
http://www.whyaretheydead.net Scientology related Deaths
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com
http://warrior.xenu.ca/ Mark Plummer's Archives
http://www.solitarytrees.net/ Ted Mayette & Friends
http://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Henson News
http://www.crackpots.org/ NarCONon is Scientology!
http://www.skeptictank.org/ Fredric L. Rice
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/ THE WOG BLOG from XENU TV
http://fire.prohosting.com/tomweeks Tom Weeks
http://www.scientology-kills.org/ Valerie Emanuel's Scientology
Kills
http://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/
OT VIII Michael Pattinson's Experiences
http://www.lermanet2.com/michaelpattinson/
Archives of The Lisa McPherson Trust
http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/lisa_mcpherson/the_trust/
An Illustrated History of Scientology in Color
http://www.rickvodicka.com/Scientology.htm
http://www.rickvodicka.com/CONTENT/scientology2/IHS-3.pdf
Celebrity Critics of Scientology - Celebrities against Scientology
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebcrit.html
COS fears Hollywood's Mark Ebner
http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com
http://thaddeusgadfly.com/ Are you a Scientologist?
BBC Radio report on Volunteer Ministers, 2 July 2006
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/stolgy_23.htm
Facts about the Scientology's Volunteer Minister Program
http://cosvm.xenu-directory.net/
Jean-Luc Barbier's CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IN EUROPA US CULT GO HOME!
http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/english-index.htm#H
Scientology critical sites: Other Language Sites:
Declarations from the scientology official to the IRS
http://www.xenufrance.net
http://www.antisectes.net by Roger Gonnet, Former President COS France
http://www.antisectes.net/index-law.htm
http://scientologie.fraude.free.fr
http://ccdh.critique.free.fr
http://narconon.critique.free.fr
French translations of Lisa McPherson Trust
http://www.antisectes.net/indexlmt.htm
http://xenu.com-it.net/ Italian Clam Bake
http://xenu.com-it.net/update.htm
Jean-Luc Barbier Anti-scientologie
http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/index.html#H
Jean-Luc BarbierAnti-scientologie#H INDEX DEUTSCHE PRESSE-ARTIKEL
http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/Index-Presseartikel.htm#H
German Wochen-Review aus der alt.religion.scientology, seit 1995
http://www.religio.de/publik/arsfaq.html
Here is a site that contains a very big lot of press coverage in many
languages: http://www.moreaboutscientologycult.eu
Facts about Scientology as a religion: Web sites of importance:
http://www.bible.ca/scientology.htm "If you ain't got money.. ...."
http://www.bible.ca/scientology-christianity-compared.htm
http://contenderministries.org/scientology.php
Why Christians Object to Scientology:
http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2000/september4/8.93.html
Is Scientology compatible with Christianity? Let's ask L. Ron Hubbard
www.skeptictank.org/compat.htm
Church of Scientology Research resources, News, and News Archive
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s04a.html
Bradley Woodward's Christianity and Scientology - A Comparison:
http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/
http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/ Scientology and Christianity
Examined
http://www.religiousshunning.org The Committee on Religious Shunning
Message Boards & Groups
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/ For Ex Sea Org Members
http://ocmb.lermanet.us/discussion/
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/26600/26600.html?1177143384
http://forum.exscn.net/
Mary
John Dorsay
Great list, Mary!
John
WolfyRik
> On Jun 29, 12:08 am, "thorazine shuffle" <thorazineshuf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've been reading this group for a couple of years, off and on, and posting
> > to it for a while now.
>
> > I really wish I would have spent a lot more time reading before I ever
> > posted anything. I severely underestimated the intelligence of most of the
> > folks here. I've shot my mouth off about things that I had no business
> > discussing.
>
> > To those that I have offended, or bored, or who's time I've simply wasted
> > with my posts, I apologize.
> > I'm learning as I go, and I read everything I can get my hands on.
>
> > That being said, the one thing I have going for me is a very strong nose for
> > bullshit. It's what brought me here. If I've called you an asshole, you most
> > likely are. I stand by it. Fuck you. <
>
> You've been tolerant of my foibles so far and I'm grateful ;) But
> does todays comment to Durks still count? " a lying, self-serving,
> attention seeking cunt of a 'man'. " lol!
>
> You are right. It is very wise to read up on everything one can get
> their hands on. There is so much available on the net. Since you are
> reading often, could you please let me know of any sites you believe
> should be on this list I am compiling, copy below:
>
> I find that these are essential for the new reader:
>
>
> Friend of Mankind: 4 part documentary compiled from news broadcastswww.xenutv.com/friendofmankind.htm
>
> Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews with ex-members of the
> Church of Scientology, exploring their reasons for joining, staying,
>
> The death of L Ron Hubbard: Documents and factshttp://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/
>
> Are the mysterious deaths of Lisa McPherson and L. Ron Hubbard
> connected? http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/hubbard_death.htm
>
>
> Operation Clambake presents: Frequently Asked Questionshttp://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html
>
> Documenting critical information in the news and on the web:
>
> Those, along with the list below, are just a few of the many sites
> with valuable information OSA does not want you need to read. These
> are not placed in any particular order outside of category:
>
> scnshttp://www.antisectes.netRoger Gonnet, Former President of COS Francehttp://www.lisamcpherson.orgJeff Jacobsen's site dedicated to Lisahttp://www.xenu-directory.netThe critics 'Who What where'http://www.gerryarmstrong.orghttp://www.carolineletkeman.org/http://www.factnet.org/http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/ supporter and critic testimonieshttp://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77http://www.antisectes.net Roger Gonnet, fmr Pres. COS Francehttp://www.lisamcpherson.orghttp://www.snafu.de/~tilman/http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk Hartley Patterson ARSCChttp://www.lermanet.com/faqs.htmlhttp://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htmTory on OSAhttp://www.holysmoke.orghttp://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Hensonhttp://www.stop-narconon.orghttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Dave Touretzky's 'The COS's Wacky> Scientologyhttp://www.suppressiveperson.org/http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.info To counter RFW disinformation.http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/Scientology_Cult_Videos_197_2006.phphttp://www.perkinstragedy.orgJeremy & Elle Perkins Tragedyhttp://www.ScienTOMogy.comhttp://www.suentology.comhttp://www.raids.orghttp://www.lermanet.com/paulette-cooperupdated June 2007http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com Lisa McPherson story (video)http://www.entheta.net/http://www.modemac.com/coshttp://www.StopScientology.comhttp://www.paulettecooper.com/http://www.StopScientology.comhttp://www.whatisscientology.nethttp://www.parishioners.infohttp://www.scientology-lies.com. Kristi Wachter's sitehttp://www.stopdisconnection.comhttp://www.disconnectioninscientology.comhttp://truthaboutscientology.com Critical Facts, COS Stats and infohttp://www.whyaretheydead.net Scientology related Deathshttp://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.comhttp://warrior.xenu.ca/ Mark Plummer's Archiveshttp://www.solitarytrees.net/ Ted Mayette & Friendshttp://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Henson Newshttp://www.crackpots.org/ NarCONon is Scientology!http://www.skeptictank.org/ Fredric L. Ricehttp://xenutv.wordpress.com/ THE WOG BLOG from XENU TVhttp://fire.prohosting.com/tomweeks Tom Weekshttp://www.scientology-kills.org/ Valerie Emanuel's Scientology
> Killshttp://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/
>
> OT VIII Michael Pattinson's Experienceshttp://www.lermanet2.com/michaelpattinson/
>
> Archives of The Lisa McPherson Trusthttp://www.xenu.net/archive/events/lisa_mcpherson/the_trust/
>
> An Illustrated History of Scientology in Colorhttp://www.rickvodicka.com/Scientology.htmhttp://www.rickvodicka.com/CONTENT/scientology2/IHS-3.pdf
>
> Celebrity Critics of Scientology - Celebrities against Scientologyhttp://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebcrit.html
> COS fears Hollywood's Mark Ebnerhttp://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com> BBC Radio report on Volunteer Ministers, 2 July 2006http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/stolgy_23.htm
> Facts about the Scientology's Volunteer Minister Programhttp://cosvm.xenu-directory.net/
> Jean-Luc Barbier's CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IN EUROPA US CULT GO HOME!http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/english-index.htm#H
>
> Scientology critical sites: Other Language Sites:
>
> French translations of Lisa McPherson Trusthttp://www.antisectes.net/indexlmt.htm
>
> http://xenu.com-it.net/Italian Clam Bakehttp://xenu.com-it.net/update.htm
>
>
> Jean-Luc BarbierAnti-scientologie#H INDEX DEUTSCHE PRESSE-ARTIKELhttp://www.anti-scientologie.ch/Index-Presseartikel.htm#H
>
> German Wochen-Review aus der alt.religion.scientology, seit 1995http://www.religio.de/publik/arsfaq.html
>
> Here is a site that contains a very big lot of press coverage in many
> languages: http://www.moreaboutscientologycult.eu
>
> Facts about Scientology as a religion: Web sites of importance:
>
> Why Christians Object to Scientology:http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2000/september4/8.93.html
> Is Scientology compatible with Christianity? Let's ask L. Ron Hubbardwww.skeptictank.org/compat.htm
> Bradley Woodward's Christianity and Scientology - A Comparison:http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/ Scientology and Christianity
>
> Message Boards & Groupshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/For Ex Sea Org Membershttp://ocmb.lermanet.us/discussion/http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/26600/26600.html?1177143384http://forum.exscn.net/
>
> Mary
!! That's one heck of a list! Will keep me busy for hours!
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> > The death of L Ron Hubbard: Documents and facts
> >http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/
>
> > Are the mysterious deaths of Lisa McPherson and L. Ron Hubbard
> > connected? http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/hubbard_death.htm
>
> > Documents Of A Lifetime - the uncensored L. Ron Hubbard papers
> >http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/lrhpaper.htm
>
> > A PIECE OF BLUE SKY by Jon Atack
> >www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/atack/
>
> > Top 20 pages visited on Lermanet.com
> >http://www.lermanet2.com/top20.html
>
> > Operation Clambake presents: Frequently Asked Questions
> >http://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html
>
> > Documenting critical information in the news and on the web:
> > The Scientology Critical Information Directory
> >http://www.xenu-directory
>
> > Those, along with the list below, are just a few of the many sites
> > with valuable information OSA does not want you need to read. These
> > are not placed in any particular order outside of category:
>
> >http://www.altreligionscientology.org/
> >http://www.xenu.netAndreas Heldal-Lund's Operation Clambake> >http://www.lermanet.comArnie Lerma's 4500+ pages of Exposing the Con
> >http://www.xenutv.comThe Mark Bunker Video & Audio archives for ex-
> > scns
> >http://www.antisectes.netRoger Gonnet, Former President of COS France
> >http://www.lisamcpherson.orgJeff Jacobsen's site dedicated to Lisa
> >http://www.xenu-directory.netThe critics 'Who What where'
> >http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
> >http://www.carolineletkeman.org/
> >http://www.factnet.org/
> >http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/ supporter and critic testimonies
> >http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77
> >http://www.antisectes.net Roger Gonnet, fmr Pres. COS France
> >http://www.lisamcpherson.org
> >http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/
> >http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk Hartley Patterson ARSCC
> >http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html
> >http://www.holysmoke.org
> >http://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Henson
> >http://www.stop-narconon.org
> > secrets'
> >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/4 the Critical study of
> > Scientology
> >http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
> >http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.info To counter RFW disinformation.
> >http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/Scientology_Cult_Videos_197_2006.php
> >http://www.antisectes.net/index-law.htm
> >http://scientologie.fraude.free.fr
> >http://ccdh.critique.free.fr
> >http://narconon.critique.free.fr
>
> > French translations of Lisa McPherson Trust
> >http://www.antisectes.net/indexlmt.htm
>
> >http://ocmb.lermanet.us/discussion/
> >http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/
> >http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/26600/26600.html?1177143384
> >http://forum.exscn.net/
>
> > Mary < < <
Thanks! I know there are many more great sites out there that I
missed.
If you come upon any sites not listed, email me!
Mary
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> !! That's one heck of a list! Will keep me busy for hours <
Good! There are many blogs that should be listed, too.If you come upon
any sites not listed, let me know. Thanks.
Mary
The Critics 'Who What Where'
www.xenu-directory.net
Out_Of_The_Dark
While it is true that this is " UseNet, the land of free expression",
it does not always mean one wants to abandon one's conscience
altogether!
Mary
"The person that loses their conscience has nothing left worth
keeping." Izaak Walton
barb
spends a great percentage of its time trying to get laid, yet wishing
someone the opportunity is seen as an insult. Go figure.
--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.cox.net/bwarr1/index.htm
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
gandow
I took the chance to include it in our new Blog
http://blog.dialogzentrum.de/links-zu-scientology-2/
Thank You very much.
TG
Out_Of_The_Dark
> Out_Of_The_Dark schrieb:
>
> Hi Mary,
> I took the chance to include it in our new Blog
> http://blog.dialogzentrum.de/links-zu-scientology-2/
>
> Thank You very much.
> TG <
blogs list I'm doing, too
I'll email you when I have more site and blog links to justify a web
site update.
Mary
New full story by Paulette Cooper:
Looking over my shoulder, The Inside Account of the Story That almost
killed me.www.lermanet.com/paulette-cooper/
thorazine shuffle
> snip
>
> You've been tolerant of my foibles so far and I'm grateful ;) But
> does todays comment to Durks still count? " a lying, self-serving,
> attention seeking cunt of a 'man'. " lol!
Yes, it does.
I've been watching that moron since he started with the whole
"Scientologists got me drunk/chloroformed me and made me crash my car in the
parking lot where I work" thing. Remember that? Turned out that Fred just
got too drunk on his own and crashed his car in the parking lot where he
worked. It made for some great Fred drama while it lasted, though.
Fred is also the first and only person I have ever seen trying to make money
with an anti-CoS website. He's a huge critic, but please click the banners..
It seems he's also once again offering to mail out DVD copies of The Bridge.
Send him your name and address, Mary, and report back here when you get your
copy. I won't hold my breath.
So, yeah, I pretty much think he's a worthless pile of shit.
thorazine shuffle
> thorazine shuffle wrote:
>snip
>
> Heh. It never fails to amuse when somebody says, "Fuck you." Humanity
> spends a great percentage of its time trying to get laid, yet wishing
> someone the opportunity is seen as an insult. Go figure.
>
> --
> --
> Barb
> Chaplain, ARSCC
> http://members.cox.net/bwarr1/index.htm
>
> "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
> insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
> Scientology."
> -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
It's an extremely versatile word with way too many meanings. Not my fault.
Ball of Fluff
wrote:
Actually, discussing people in a presonalized way IS one of the things
a person has no business discussing.
So if you've taken shots at anyone...then you're the one with the
problem.
C