Scientology Attacks Cat Sanctuary Again (sby)
Stacy Young
Scientology is going after our cats again.
Last night we heard that David Lee was going door to door in our old
neighborhood in West Seattle. David Lee is the Scientology private
investigator who tried to have our cats confiscated and killed last fall.
Everyone on a.r.s. knows that Bob Minton saved the cats by providing a
sanctuary for them on Vashon Island. Now Scientology has escalated its
attack, accusing us of harboring cats with AIDS and spreading the rumor
that people are catching AIDS from our cats. (This is medically and
biologically impossible, but hey, Scientology has never been a stickler
for facts).
This morning I went to the mailbox and found the following anonymous
letter. Like the one they distributed in West Seattle, it purports to be
from a "concerned neighbor." (I will leave in all the typos, misspellings
and grammatical mistakes):
Dear Fellow Neighbors,
It has been brought to my attention that our new neighbors Vaughn and
Stacy Young are operating an illegal cat kennel out of their house. I
learned about this activity and the incredible number of cats from a
friend that is part of an animal organization located here on the island.
The number is hard to tally because of the deaths and births that occur
however, we estimate between 200-300 cats. They have 10 or more violations
for the exact same illegal actions in West Seattle. I contacted neighbors
at their old residence and each were greatly relieved to have this problem
located somewhere else. The neighbors in West Seattle finally had, had
enough. They neighbors banded together and contacted the proper
authorities and got rid of the problems. Now the problem is here, and we
must notify the authorities that the Youngs are harboring very sick cats
with communicable diseases here and we don't want this problem over on our
beautiful island. They claim they are rescueing cats but in fact they are
conducting illegal activities for the sake of selling cats for money to
live on. The Youngs don't have a kennel license or any sort of permit to
conduct this sort of illegal Catery. I would have liked to have been
contacted before these people moved in. The Youngs just decided that it's
Ok and we would not mind the diseases over here. I am a cat owner this is
why I am so concerned. Two to three cats is ok, but 200-300 diseased
infected animals is not acceptable in our peaceful neighborhood. By
contacting animal control and the Dept of Zoning this will eliminate our
problems.
Signed a Concerned Neighbor
Reference:
Robert and Stacy Young
19731 Vashon Island Hwy
Vashon island
end of letter
About 10 minutes after I picked up this letter, a representative of
Vashon's local animal rescue group arrived at our house. One of our
neighbors had given it to her and she was very concerned that someone is
spreading these lies about us. She knew they were lies because she (and
others) had already been to our house and met all of our beautiful cats
and knows they are given the best possible care in the world. She also
knows that we have nowhere near "200-300" cats and that the only births we
ever have here are from strays who arrive already pregnant, since any cat
that arrives at our sanctuary is always spayed or neutered.
Her main concern was that someone on the island was conducting this hate
campaign. We assured her that it is definitely coming from off the island
and gave her a full briefing about how Scientology harasses anyone who
tries to tell people the truth about them. We told her they attacked our
cats last fall because I was on "60 Minutes" talking about how
Scientology destroyed a group whose purpose was to educate people about
cults like Scientology, and because we have been helping on the Lisa
McPherson case in Florida. She was horrified that Scientology would try to
hurt innocent animals just to silence the truth and said she was going to
spread the word that Scientology is behind this attack on us. We said we
would be glad to provide her with copies of the "60 Minutes" tape as well
as "Public Eye," the Channel 4 show in England, several other upcoming
national shows about Scientology, and lots and lots of press articles
including New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, St. Pete
Times, and many many others.
Vaughn went out to meet with our neighbors about the letter and found that
no one believes what the letter says, because it is anonymous and people
on Vashon don't believe anything written anonymously. Several made this
point, that they threw it away as soon as they saw it was anonymous.
Lee also hired some kids to hand out another sheet headlined "Public
Health Notice" in front of the two grocery stores in town this morning
until the store owners kicked them off the premises. Here is what the
notice said (again, I am replicating all typos, misspellings and
grammatical mistakes):
Public Health Notice
This is a public health warning informing all residents of Vashon Island
that Robert and Stacy Young are operating an illegal and diseased cat
kennel out of the residence that is located at 19731 Vashon Island Highway
behind the Dental office. We learned about this activity and the
outrageous number of cats from a person that is part of an animal
protection organization located here on our island. The number of cats is
hard to tally because of all the births and deaths from disease but we
estimate between 200-300 cats.
The cats are responsible for the spreading of Ring Worm and other
communicable diseases to humans which the Youngs are aware of. This is a
direct violation of Title 16 RCW Chapter 16.70. The Youngs are also in
violation of Title 70 Chapter 70.95 which is the improper handling of
Biomedical Waste.
The cats also carry the disease FIP (Feline Infectious Peritonitis) which
is the also known as AIDS. If you have any animals on Vashon Island
especially cats you must get yourself and your pets tested by a
veterinarian or physician as soon as possible.
The Youngs have been cited with at least 10 violations while living at the
West Seattle residence for the same illegal actions. The Public Health and
Safety office found out that the West Seattle neighbors had banded
together and contacted the proper authorities to force the Youngs to
comply to the law, but the Youngs decided to move away and bring their
illegal and diseased cat kennel operation to Vashon Island. Now the
problem is here and we must notify the authorities.
The Youngs have no kennel license or any sort of permit to conduct this
sort of illegal and diseased cat kennel. They did not contact any of us,
they just decided to bring their problems over here. We all have cats and
other animals but 200-300 disease infected animals is not acceptable in
our peaceful neighborhood. By contacting the authorities we can eliminate
this problem.
Animal control: 386-4254
Zoning: 684-7899
Health Services: 296-4774
Hazardous Waste: 296-2712
Licenses: 296-2712
Land use permits: 296-6640
end of anonymous text
Again, representatives of Vashon's long-established pet protection
organization have visited our facility and know this is completely
scurrilous. They are fully supportive of our work.
First of all, ringworm is a very common skin fungus amongst homeless,
rescued cats and kittens. It is a fungus similar to athlete's foot. It is
not serious. Little kittens -- especially if they are stray kittens that
were born outside -- often have ringworm when they come into a shelter
because their immune systems aren't very strong yet. It is treatable with
shots, oral medication, a fungal shampoo and topical ointment. I have
found that putting them on extremely high quality, healthy food (which is
the kind we give our cats -- Precise is the name of it, both dry and wet)
is the best treatment of all because it strengthens their immune system.
Yes, humans can catch ringworm from a cat. Anyone who has ever worked at a
shelter can tell you that. I have had it myself. I treated it with topical
ointment and it went away. That was the end of that.
FIP (Feline Infectious Peritonitis) has nothing whatsoever to do with
AIDS. There is an illness known as Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, or FIV.
It affects the immune system of a cat similar to the way HIV affects the
immune system of a human. If a person is HIV positive it does not mean
they have AIDS. If a cat is FIV positive it does not mean anything more
than that their immune system has been weakened by this virus. We have
rescued cats who tested positive for FIV. It is transmitted between cats
in the same ways that HIV is transmitted between humans. FIV is not in any
way communicable to humans.
Now let me say something here.
I think Scientology thinks that this is going to frighten me so badly that
I will convince Vaughn we should stop helping people understand the true
nature of Scientology. They think this will get me to tell Vaughn that we
should stop talking to the media about Scientology; we should stop helping
Ken Dandar on the Lisa McPherson case; we should stop inviting former
Scientologists to our house. They think this will get me to stop talking
to people just coming out of Scientology who need help.
But Scientology is wrong. Dead wrong.
First of all Scientology needs to know that the population of Vashon
Island is disgusted and outraged at this unfounded, vicious attack on the
animals. This is a small island and many residents have already visited
our sanctuary and met our cats. They know that these allegations are
malicious lies, and soon everyone on the island will know that these lies
are coming from Scientology.
And since we all know that Scientology now equals David Miscavige, and
that DM has ordered this latest attack on us, let me speak directly to
you, DM. If you think this latest outrageous attack on innocent animals is
going to intimidate me or frighten me in any way you are dead wrong. You
are all such cowards that you have to pass out anonymous lies about me. If
you are telling the truth about me why don't you have the courage to sign
these letters? But you would never do that because it is a lie and you
don't want people to know that Scientology is behind this character
assassination. You want people to believe that you are there to help
people, that you want to make the world a better place. You don't want
anyone to know that you are vicious, amoral, ruthless and remorseless in
your determination to take over the world. You don't want anyone to know
that you will stop at nothing -- including threatening innocent animals --
to silence anyone who criticizes you.
But I am going to tell the truth about you far and wide, as broadly as I
possibly can. You are coming after Vaughn and me because I appeared on "60
Minutes," because Vaughn appeared on UK Channel 4 Secret Lives, because he
has been asked to testify about Scientology by the federal government in
Germany, because I offered sanctuary to Sea Org members with nowhere else
to go, and because you know that I know firsthand how Lisa McPherson was
killed by "standard tech." You're furious because Bob Minton had the
audacity to thwart your earlier attempt to silence us, and now you think
you're going to launch an attack on us so terrible that no one can save
us.
Well let me tell you something, DM. We worked together; you know me. And
you know what I think of you and your bully tactics. I saw you force staff
to stay up for three and four days at a time until they were nearly
delirious and then scream at them until they broke. I saw you gang-bang
sec check a staff member for hours, you and your two lieutenants screaming
accusations at him until he was shaking and sobbing hysterically. I saw
how you delighted in degrading people, like the time you punished a staff
member by forcing him to his knees and making him push a pencil all the
way down the hall with his nose. He was crying while you stood there
laughing at him. I couldn't do anything about your brutality when I was
your junior, but I can do something about it now. You've done a really
stupid thing, DM. You've gone too far with your attack on these
cats. You've made me see with crystal clarity that you cannot be allowed
to continue destroying people's lives like this, and I now assume full
responsibility for seeing that you are stopped. The more you attack our
cats, the more it will convince me that your true face must be exposed --
in the media, in the courts, in legislatures, in every country, all over
the world.
And again I make my offer to Sea Org members: if you want to escape from
the nightmare but have nowhere to go, call me. My number is 206-463-6809.
Call me any time of the day or night. You don't have to be afraid of DM
and his CMO thugs. There are many many people out here -- kind people --
who will help you. What DM and his people are telling you about us is
false. You have to trust me on that. But here is a promise: I'll let you
get some sleep, I won't scream obscenities at you, and I'll let you say
what you're really thinking without putting you in lower conditions or
sending you to the RPF. Then I'll help you get a life. I promise you that.
Please call me. 206-463-6809. Or e-mail me: s...@eskimo.com.
Stacy Young
wgert
Before everyone goes hysterical here, give me a break.
1. People blow from the Sea Org.
2. People attempt to extort.
3. Initial extortion attempt fails.
4. People embark on futile attempt to earn honest living.
5. Attempt fails.
6. People begin career as litigation whores.
7. Can't take that so escape the scene.
8. Can't survive any other way so get back in litigation/media in hope
of business.
9. Just about go broke at that.
10. Sell souls to devil.
11. The result is all this sanctimonuous salvage, give me a break.
Go back to the cats and leave the people alone.
wgert
s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:
snip
>You have to trust me on that.
snip
>Stacy Young
Garry Scarff
wgert wrote:
>
> Before everyone goes hysterical here, give me a break.
>
> 1. People blow from the Sea Org.
> 2. People attempt to extort.
> 3. Initial extortion attempt fails.
> 4. People embark on futile attempt to earn honest living.
> 5. Attempt fails.
> 6. People begin career as litigation whores.
> 7. Can't take that so escape the scene.
> 8. Can't survive any other way so get back in litigation/media in hope
> of business.
> 9. Just about go broke at that.
> 10. Sell souls to devil.
> 11. The result is all this sanctimonuous salvage, give me a break.
>
> Go back to the cats and leave the people alone.
>
> wgert
Wgert, has your parents ever told you about "burning your bridges?" You
may want to keep Stacy's number handy, in the event, you decide to grow
up and live life for yourself instead of playing the indentured servant
to Scientology, or the church tires of you and off-loads you.
Garry
jbwebb
wgert wrote:
> 10. Sell souls to devil.
William Gertner: What does this mean? Who, or what is the devil?
Please elaborate.
Take care
Joni
ExScio
>2. People attempt to extort.
>6. People begin career as litigation whores.
wgert - you'd better hope this isn't true or we'll be reading
about the Young's libel case against you.
<<<<< ExScio (with the emphasis on EX) - St. Louis area SP >>>>>
Conner
On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:37:43 GMT, in message
<6b5avv$r83$1...@usenet11.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>Before everyone goes hysterical here, give me a break.
>
>1. People blow from the Sea Org.
>2. People attempt to extort.
>3. Initial extortion attempt fails.
>4. People embark on futile attempt to earn honest living.
>5. Attempt fails.
>6. People begin career as litigation whores.
>7. Can't take that so escape the scene.
>8. Can't survive any other way so get back in litigation/media in hope
>of business.
>9. Just about go broke at that.
>10. Sell souls to devil.
>11. The result is all this sanctimonuous salvage, give me a break.
>
methinks the overt does cry loudly.
are you describing yourself, gertie? maybe it has something
to do with your career as a sysadmin at SuperNews
-- see...@ix.netcom.com (Conner)
Note: the header address is wrong!
Friends of Dennis Erlich Club (www.netcom.com/~seekon/friends.html)
Keith Henson
: 1. People blow from the Sea Org.
: 4. People embark on futile attempt to earn honest living.
: 5. Attempt fails.
Err wgert, is this supposed to be a *recomendation* for scientology?
: Go back to the cats and leave the people alone.
But you dudes keep giving them ammo to hammer cos right out here in front
of everyone. When does Gene Ingram get on my case again? He left a bunch
of hot leads dangling when he left for England.
Keith Henson
John C. Randolph
Ladies and gentlemen, my apologies if this is off topic for rec.pets.cats,
but I thought there might be a cat-lover or two who would want to know about
this.
Stacy Young is a former member of the criminal cult of Scientology, who has
managed to escape.
Today, she and her husband run an animal sanctuary, which the thugs who run
the "Church" of scientology are trying to shut down, in an infantile revenge
plot against Ms. Young.
-jcr
In <6b3l6f$25i$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com> Stacy Young wrote:
->
-> Scientology is going after our cats again.
->
-> Last night we heard that David Lee was going door to door in our old
-> neighborhood in West Seattle. David Lee is the Scientology private
-> investigator who tried to have our cats confiscated and killed last fall.
-> Everyone on a.r.s. knows that Bob Minton saved the cats by providing a
-> sanctuary for them on Vashon Island. Now Scientology has escalated its
-> attack, accusing us of harboring cats with AIDS and spreading the rumor
-> that people are catching AIDS from our cats. (This is medically and
-> biologically impossible, but hey, Scientology has never been a stickler
-> for facts).
->
-> This morning I went to the mailbox and found the following anonymous
-> letter. Like the one they distributed in West Seattle, it purports to be
-> from a "concerned neighbor." (I will leave in all the typos, misspellings
-> and grammatical mistakes):
->
-> Dear Fellow Neighbors,
->
-> It has been brought to my attention that our new neighbors Vaughn and
-> Stacy Young are operating an illegal cat kennel out of their house. I
-> learned about this activity and the incredible number of cats from a
-> friend that is part of an animal organization located here on the island.
-> The number is hard to tally because of the deaths and births that occur
-> however, we estimate between 200-300 cats. They have 10 or more violations
-> for the exact same illegal actions in West Seattle. I contacted neighbors
-> at their old residence and each were greatly relieved to have this problem
-> located somewhere else. The neighbors in West Seattle finally had, had
-> enough. They neighbors banded together and contacted the proper
-> authorities and got rid of the problems. Now the problem is here, and we
-> must notify the authorities that the Youngs are harboring very sick cats
-> with communicable diseases here and we don't want this problem over on our
-> beautiful island. They claim they are rescueing cats but in fact they are
-> conducting illegal activities for the sake of selling cats for money to
-> live on. The Youngs don't have a kennel license or any sort of permit to
-> conduct this sort of illegal Catery. I would have liked to have been
-> contacted before these people moved in. The Youngs just decided that it's
-> Ok and we would not mind the diseases over here. I am a cat owner this is
-> why I am so concerned. Two to three cats is ok, but 200-300 diseased
-> infected animals is not acceptable in our peaceful neighborhood. By
-> contacting animal control and the Dept of Zoning this will eliminate our
-> problems.
->
-> Signed a Concerned Neighbor
->
-> Reference:
->
-> Robert and Stacy Young
-> 19731 Vashon Island Hwy
-> Vashon island
->
-> end of letter
->
-> About 10 minutes after I picked up this letter, a representative of
-> Vashon's local animal rescue group arrived at our house. One of our
-> neighbors had given it to her and she was very concerned that someone is
-> spreading these lies about us. She knew they were lies because she (and
-> others) had already been to our house and met all of our beautiful cats
-> and knows they are given the best possible care in the world. She also
-> knows that we have nowhere near "200-300" cats and that the only births we
-> ever have here are from strays who arrive already pregnant, since any cat
-> that arrives at our sanctuary is always spayed or neutered.
->
-> Her main concern was that someone on the island was conducting this hate
-> campaign. We assured her that it is definitely coming from off the island
-> and gave her a full briefing about how Scientology harasses anyone who
-> tries to tell people the truth about them. We told her they attacked our
-> cats last fall because I was on "60 Minutes" talking about how
-> Scientology destroyed a group whose purpose was to educate people about
-> cults like Scientology, and because we have been helping on the Lisa
-> McPherson case in Florida. She was horrified that Scientology would try to
-> hurt innocent animals just to silence the truth and said she was going to
-> spread the word that Scientology is behind this attack on us. We said we
-> would be glad to provide her with copies of the "60 Minutes" tape as well
-> as "Public Eye," the Channel 4 show in England, several other upcoming
-> national shows about Scientology, and lots and lots of press articles
-> including New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, St. Pete
-> Times, and many many others.
->
-> Vaughn went out to meet with our neighbors about the letter and found that
-> no one believes what the letter says, because it is anonymous and people
-> on Vashon don't believe anything written anonymously. Several made this
-> point, that they threw it away as soon as they saw it was anonymous.
->
-> Lee also hired some kids to hand out another sheet headlined "Public
-> Health Notice" in front of the two grocery stores in town this morning
-> until the store owners kicked them off the premises. Here is what the
-> notice said (again, I am replicating all typos, misspellings and
-> grammatical mistakes):
->
-> Public Health Notice
->
-> This is a public health warning informing all residents of Vashon Island
-> that Robert and Stacy Young are operating an illegal and diseased cat
-> kennel out of the residence that is located at 19731 Vashon Island Highway
-> behind the Dental office. We learned about this activity and the
-> outrageous number of cats from a person that is part of an animal
-> protection organization located here on our island. The number of cats is
-> hard to tally because of all the births and deaths from disease but we
-> estimate between 200-300 cats.
->
-> The cats are responsible for the spreading of Ring Worm and other
-> communicable diseases to humans which the Youngs are aware of. This is a
-> direct violation of Title 16 RCW Chapter 16.70. The Youngs are also in
-> violation of Title 70 Chapter 70.95 which is the improper handling of
-> Biomedical Waste.
->
-> The cats also carry the disease FIP (Feline Infectious Peritonitis) which
-> is the also known as AIDS. If you have any animals on Vashon Island
-> especially cats you must get yourself and your pets tested by a
-> veterinarian or physician as soon as possible.
->
-> The Youngs have been cited with at least 10 violations while living at the
-> West Seattle residence for the same illegal actions. The Public Health and
-> Safety office found out that the West Seattle neighbors had banded
-> together and contacted the proper authorities to force the Youngs to
-> comply to the law, but the Youngs decided to move away and bring their
-> illegal and diseased cat kennel operation to Vashon Island. Now the
-> problem is here and we must notify the authorities.
->
-> The Youngs have no kennel license or any sort of permit to conduct this
-> sort of illegal and diseased cat kennel. They did not contact any of us,
-> they just decided to bring their problems over here. We all have cats and
-> other animals but 200-300 disease infected animals is not acceptable in
-> our peaceful neighborhood. By contacting the authorities we can eliminate
-> this problem.
->
-> Animal control: 386-4254
-> Zoning: 684-7899
-> Health Services: 296-4774
-> Hazardous Waste: 296-2712
-> Licenses: 296-2712
-> Land use permits: 296-6640
->
-> end of anonymous text
->
-> Again, representatives of Vashon's long-established pet protection
-> organization have visited our facility and know this is completely
-> scurrilous. They are fully supportive of our work.
->
-> First of all, ringworm is a very common skin fungus amongst homeless,
-> rescued cats and kittens. It is a fungus similar to athlete's foot. It is
-> not serious. Little kittens -- especially if they are stray kittens that
-> were born outside -- often have ringworm when they come into a shelter
-> because their immune systems aren't very strong yet. It is treatable with
-> shots, oral medication, a fungal shampoo and topical ointment. I have
-> found that putting them on extremely high quality, healthy food (which is
-> the kind we give our cats -- Precise is the name of it, both dry and wet)
-> is the best treatment of all because it strengthens their immune system.
-> Yes, humans can catch ringworm from a cat. Anyone who has ever worked at a
-> shelter can tell you that. I have had it myself. I treated it with topical
-> ointment and it went away. That was the end of that.
->
-> FIP (Feline Infectious Peritonitis) has nothing whatsoever to do with
-> AIDS. There is an illness known as Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, or FIV.
-> It affects the immune system of a cat similar to the way HIV affects the
-> immune system of a human. If a person is HIV positive it does not mean
-> they have AIDS. If a cat is FIV positive it does not mean anything more
-> than that their immune system has been weakened by this virus. We have
-> rescued cats who tested positive for FIV. It is transmitted between cats
-> in the same ways that HIV is transmitted between humans. FIV is not in any
-> way communicable to humans.
->
-> Now let me say something here.
->
-> I think Scientology thinks that this is going to frighten me so badly that
-> I will convince Vaughn we should stop helping people understand the true
-> nature of Scientology. They think this will get me to tell Vaughn that we
-> should stop talking to the media about Scientology; we should stop helping
-> Ken Dandar on the Lisa McPherson case; we should stop inviting former
-> Scientologists to our house. They think this will get me to stop talking
-> to people just coming out of Scientology who need help.
->
-> But Scientology is wrong. Dead wrong.
->
-> First of all Scientology needs to know that the population of Vashon
-> Island is disgusted and outraged at this unfounded, vicious attack on the
-> animals. This is a small island and many residents have already visited
-> our sanctuary and met our cats. They know that these allegations are
-> malicious lies, and soon everyone on the island will know that these lies
-> are coming from Scientology.
->
-> And since we all know that Scientology now equals David Miscavige, and
-> that DM has ordered this latest attack on us, let me speak directly to
-> you, DM. If you think this latest outrageous attack on innocent animals is
-> going to intimidate me or frighten me in any way you are dead wrong. You
-> are all such cowards that you have to pass out anonymous lies about me. If
-> you are telling the truth about me why don't you have the courage to sign
-> these letters? But you would never do that because it is a lie and you
-> don't want people to know that Scientology is behind this character
-> assassination. You want people to believe that you are there to help
-> people, that you want to make the world a better place. You don't want
-> anyone to know that you are vicious, amoral, ruthless and remorseless in
-> your determination to take over the world. You don't want anyone to know
-> that you will stop at nothing -- including threatening innocent animals --
-> to silence anyone who criticizes you.
->
-> But I am going to tell the truth about you far and wide, as broadly as I
-> possibly can. You are coming after Vaughn and me because I appeared on "60
-> Minutes," because Vaughn appeared on UK Channel 4 Secret Lives, because he
-> has been asked to testify about Scientology by the federal government in
-> Germany, because I offered sanctuary to Sea Org members with nowhere else
-> to go, and because you know that I know firsthand how Lisa McPherson was
-> killed by "standard tech." You're furious because Bob Minton had the
-> audacity to thwart your earlier attempt to silence us, and now you think
-> you're going to launch an attack on us so terrible that no one can save
-> us.
->
-> Well let me tell you something, DM. We worked together; you know me. And
-> you know what I think of you and your bully tactics. I saw you force staff
-> to stay up for three and four days at a time until they were nearly
-> delirious and then scream at them until they broke. I saw you gang-bang
-> sec check a staff member for hours, you and your two lieutenants screaming
-> accusations at him until he was shaking and sobbing hysterically. I saw
-> how you delighted in degrading people, like the time you punished a staff
-> member by forcing him to his knees and making him push a pencil all the
-> way down the hall with his nose. He was crying while you stood there
-> laughing at him. I couldn't do anything about your brutality when I was
-> your junior, but I can do something about it now. You've done a really
-> stupid thing, DM. You've gone too far with your attack on these
-> cats. You've made me see with crystal clarity that you cannot be allowed
-> to continue destroying people's lives like this, and I now assume full
-> responsibility for seeing that you are stopped. The more you attack our
-> cats, the more it will convince me that your true face must be exposed --
-> in the media, in the courts, in legislatures, in every country, all over
-> the world.
->
-> And again I make my offer to Sea Org members: if you want to escape from
-> the nightmare but have nowhere to go, call me. My number is 206-463-6809.
-> Call me any time of the day or night. You don't have to be afraid of DM
-> and his CMO thugs. There are many many people out here -- kind people --
-> who will help you. What DM and his people are telling you about us is
-> false. You have to trust me on that. But here is a promise: I'll let you
-> get some sleep, I won't scream obscenities at you, and I'll let you say
-> what you're really thinking without putting you in lower conditions or
-> sending you to the RPF. Then I'll help you get a life. I promise you that.
-> Please call me. 206-463-6809. Or e-mail me: s...@eskimo.com.
->
-> Stacy Young
->
->
->
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wgert
Though Vaughn and Stacy have glorified their departure from the Church
for purposes of interest and to enhance their ability to entice
newspapers and magazines to pay them (mainly the German publications),
to any impartial observer it is certain that there is two sides to
every story.
The other side of the story requires one examine their history of
betrayal in their personal relationships and in so doing a strong
argument could be made that the real story includes the factor that
Vaughn and Stacy failed to remain in the Church because they were
continually dishonest with others and with themselves. When the
betrayal became too great, and the Youngs lust for money overcame
them, the only way to ease their conscience was to belittle, ridicule
to make it appear that they were the victims.
One of the first problems the Youngs encountered while members of the
Church, was when they began a relationship by sexually cheating on
their respective spouses. This was hardly something which could be
expected to be condoned.
Trust and loyalty are among the qualities most admired by
Scientologists and by many people. This quality is very important when
one is helping another to reach spiritual enlightenment through
auditing in the Church and it is a very important quality in any
civilized society. Despite this, the Youngs chose to begin their
relationship while Vaughn was receiving basic levels of religious
counselling from Stacy.
Unbelievably, the Youngs promote themselves as "experts," yet,
having sex with someone whom you are supposed to be counselling is a
grave ethical violation and no "expert" would ever commit such a
serious violation.
If a doctor were to do such a thing, he could probably lose his
license and certainly would not be considered an "expert" in his field
in a court of law. Looking back on it, it is certainly not
unreasonable to believe that they should have been dismissed on the
spot. However, the Youngs promised they would reform and that it would
not happen again. What compounded this incident was that both Vaughn
and Stacy were legally married to others at the time, introducing
adultery into the picture.
This story is not an attempt to just trash the Youngs, but to
provide an accurate perspective from which to understand how they
arrived at the point where they abandoned their own spiritual
enlightenment and turned to evil where they now find themselves in the
pay of an extremely unscrupulous attorney (who has been accused by
a former associate of having sex with minor boys).
The main point of this is simply that the unfaithfulness in their
personal lives has been going on for a long time and extends through
two marriages and to the people they were once friends with in the
Church. (This incident was not the first time Vaughn had committed
adultery. While married to his first wife, he had several extramarital
affairs with women who were also married.)
Even so, despite how the Youngs now portray with heavy bitterness
what happened, they were not treated harshly by the Church over the
matter but were offered help to overcome their lapse in personal
integrity. The evidence shows that the stories the Youngs now tell are
done to enhance their earning power in collecting fees for being
witnesses in court for opposition lawyers looking to make a buck.
Instead of harsh treatment, the Youngs were given every
assistance to resolve the matter. Eventually they divorced their
then-partners and later married each other.
Instead of learning from the harm which this sort of betrayal
creates for others, history would repeat itself after the Youngs left
the Church. While living high on the hog, earning thousands of dollars
in witness fees for bearing false testimony against former friends in
the Church (testifying on behalf of a known lying criminal - Steven
Fishman and his wacko psychologist) Stacy became involved in yet
another extramarital encounter which resulted in a tubal pregnancy
(not by Vaughn) which of course necessitated considerable financial
expense to the Youngs, for an operation to terminate the pregnancy.
No one wishes to see the Young's suffer. On the contrary they
have been repeatedly warned against the course they have embarked
upon, not because of anything the Church would do, but because they
are now driven by a mixture of hatred and greed and are being trapped
by their own destructive acts despite the pain it is bringing to their
lives.
(This is from the pages of the Rogues Gallery of ARS Bigots. Go to
www.dancris.com/~rshaw for more details).
gr...@gradyxward.com (Grady Ward) wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:37:43 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>>1. People blow from the Sea Org.
>Why would they "blow" from such a wonderful organization as scientology?
t.r.mcloughlin
wgert wrote:
> This story is not an attempt to just trash the Youngs, but to
> provide an accurate perspective from which to understand how they
> arrived at the point where they abandoned their own spiritual
> enlightenment and turned to evil where they now find themselves in the
> pay of an extremely unscrupulous attorney (who has been accused by
> a former associate of having sex with minor boys).
*clap* ... *clap* ... *clap*
Wow. Thanks. A new benchmark. Find me a hyperbaric chamber.
trm
Neal Hamel
On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:37:43 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>Before everyone goes hysterical here, give me a break.
>1. People blow from the Sea Org.
>2. People attempt to extort.
>3. Initial extortion attempt fails.
>4. People embark on futile attempt to earn honest living.
>5. Attempt fails.
>6. People begin career as litigation whores.
>7. Can't take that so escape the scene.
>8. Can't survive any other way so get back in litigation/media in hope
>of business.
>9. Just about go broke at that.
>10. Sell souls to devil.
>11. The result is all this sanctimonuous salvage, give me a break.
>>Go back to the cats and leave the people alone.
Gertie,
What the hell does the harrassment of the Youngs in an attempt to deprive
them of the ability to provide shelter for cats have to do their testifying
against scientology?
If ever anyone needed convincing that Hubbard's doctrine of Fair Game is
currently being used by the sick and twisted people at OSA, they need go no
farther than to review the facts of this stupid and juvenile operation
against the Youngs. You do not even bother to contest that your employer,
OSA, is behind it. Why are scientologists so scared of the words that the
Youngs speak?
Is this evidence of the new civilization that you intend to bring to us
wogs?
-Neal H.
Neal Hamel
On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 03:14:42 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
[ venom snipped ]
> No one wishes to see the Young's suffer. On the contrary they
>have been repeatedly warned against the course they have embarked
>upon, not because of anything the Church would do, but because they
>are now driven by a mixture of hatred and greed and are being trapped
>by their own destructive acts despite the pain it is bringing to their
>lives.
Do you really think that the readers of your post(s) would for a minute
believe your statement that you do not want to see the Young's suffer? OSA
has appointed itself as judge, jury and executioner for the Youngs because
the Youngs have the temerity to challenge your nasty cult. This, folks, is
Hubbard's Fair Game doctrine in action. The scienos believe they have the
right to destroy the Youngs because they present a threat to Hubbard's
would be empire.
OSA is attempting to destroy the Youngs, and then you, Gertie, pretend to
have some care for them. I am amazed that you would close this post of
your evil thoughts with a paragraph as disengenuous as anything I have ever
read on this newsgroup.
-Neal H.
Catarina
Their actions speak louder than words.
Wish you success, and hug a cat from me.
Catarina -sp1
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Archangel
This is why I like having you around, weejurt. Every now and then it's
theraputic to see the face of sheer, unredeemable malevolence.
This is my one of my favorite bigot's pages, Second to the "bigot for
pay/Judas was a bigot" one. I'm still waiting for Russ to recongnize
his M/U's in that one. Isn't "going by" a M/U a high crime?
wgert wrote:
>
> Though Vaughn and Stacy have glorified their departure from the Church
> for purposes of interest and to enhance their ability to entice
> newspapers and magazines to pay them (mainly the German publications),
> to any impartial observer it is certain that there is two sides to
> every story.
Of course there is. The Co$ side, and the truth. I guess to an
"impartial observer" black must also necessarily be white right?
(Hint: in logic courses, argument by cliche is not presented as a valid
form.)
>
> The other side of the story requires one examine their history of
> betrayal in their personal relationships
Information no doubt gleaned from their "confidential" PC folders.
>and in so doing a strong
> argument could be made that the real story includes the factor that
> Vaughn and Stacy failed to remain in the Church because they were
> continually dishonest with others and with themselves.
HMMMM. Let me get this straight. They were dishonest, so this made
them hate the church. Hmmmm. Still looking for causal
relationship.....nope. T'aint there.
>When the
> betrayal became too great, and the Youngs lust for money overcame
> them, the only way to ease their conscience was to belittle, ridicule
> to make it appear that they were the victims.
>
> One of the first problems the Youngs encountered while members >of the
> Church, was when they began a relationship by sexually cheating on
> their respective spouses. This was hardly something which could be
> expected to be condoned.
>
> Trust and loyalty are among the qualities most admired by
> Scientologists
Second only to gullibility and a large bank account.
>and by many people. This quality is very important when
> one is helping another to reach spiritual enlightenment through
> auditing in the Church
Reaching spiritual enlightenment through soup cans? Try changing lead
into gold first. It'll be easier. (Sorry Pilot.)
>and it is a very important quality in any
> civilized society. Despite this, the Youngs chose to begin their
> relationship while Vaughn was receiving basic levels of religious
> counselling from Stacy.
>
> Unbelievably, the Youngs promote themselves as "experts," yet,
> having sex with someone whom you are supposed to be counselling is a
> grave ethical violation and no "expert" would ever commit such a
> serious violation.
BZZZZZZT. Try again.
>
> If a doctor were to do such a thing, he could probably lose his
> license and certainly would not be considered an "expert" in his field
> in a court of law.
Or maybe made to pay a fine. But NOT harassed and assaulted. Only a
criminal cult would do that.
>Looking back on it, it is certainly not
> unreasonable to believe that they should have been dismissed on the
> spot.
However, they both had some money left, and the Co$ hates to lose money.
>However, the Youngs promised they would reform and that it would
> not happen again. What compounded this incident was that both Vaughn
> and Stacy were legally married to others at the time, introducing
> adultery into the picture.
>
> This story is not an attempt to just trash the Youngs,
Yes it is. Liar.
>but to
> provide an accurate perspective from which to understand how they
> arrived at the point where they abandoned their own spiritual
> enlightenment and turned to evil where they now find themselves in the
> pay of an extremely unscrupulous attorney (who has been accused by
> a former associate of having sex with minor boys).
How 'bout that! Two DA's in one sentence! Way to go!
>
> The main point of this is simply that the unfaithfulness in their
> personal lives has been going on for a long time and extends through
> two marriages and to the people they were once friends with in the
> Church. (This incident was not the first time Vaughn had committed
> adultery. While married to his first wife, he had several extramarital
> affairs with women who were also married.)
>
> Even so, despite how the Youngs now portray with heavy bitterness
> what happened, they were not treated harshly by the Church over the
> matter but were offered help to overcome their lapse in personal
> integrity.
How were they helped? Extra beans and rice at dinner? More $400/hr
auditing?
>The evidence shows that the stories the Youngs now tell are
> done to enhance their earning power in collecting fees for being
> witnesses in court for opposition lawyers looking to make a buck.
>
> Instead of harsh treatment, the Youngs were given every
> assistance to resolve the matter. Eventually they divorced their
> then-partners and later married each other.
>
> Instead of learning from the harm which this sort of betrayal
> creates for others, history would repeat itself after the Youngs left
> the Church. While living high on the hog, earning thousands of dollars
> in witness fees for bearing false testimony against former friends in
> the Church (testifying on behalf of a known lying criminal - Steven
> Fishman and his wacko psychologist) Stacy became involved in yet
> another extramarital encounter which resulted in a tubal pregnancy
> (not by Vaughn) which of course necessitated considerable financial
> expense to the Youngs, for an operation to terminate the pregnancy.
>
> No one wishes to see the Young's suffer.
Except the Co$
>On the contrary they
> have been repeatedly warned against the course they have embarked
> upon, not because of anything the Church would do,
but because if what they would say abotu the criminal cult.
>but because they
> are now driven by a mixture of hatred and greed and are being trapped
> by their own destructive acts despite the pain it is bringing to their
> lives.
Explain how caring for abandoned animals equals "hated and greed" Oh
wait. You can't.
>
> (This is from the pages of the Rogues Gallery of ARS Bigots. Go to
> www.dancris.com/~rshaw for more details).
Archangel
ExScio
wgert wrote:
> This story is not an attempt to just trash the Youngs...
Yes it is.
You've been digging through the PC folders again I see.
jbwebb
wgert:
>
> One of the first problems the Youngs encountered while members of the
> Church, was when they began a relationship by sexually cheating on
> their respective spouses. This was hardly something which could be
> expected to be condoned.
>
behavior condoned, but it was revered. Sounds like the Youngs just
wanted to emulate Source, no?
Take care
Joni
NoScieno
wgert, what an EXCELLENT Scientologist you are. I'm so OVERWHELMED by your
sense of DECENCY I can hardly describe it. Such COMPASSION. Such HONESTY. O
yes, and let's not forget all of those exotic SPECIAL qualities that only you
SUPERIOR Scientology people have, like the mysterious ability to "CONFRONT and
EVALUATE DATA," LIVE fully on all YOUR "DYNAMICS," and so forth. My golly
gosh, I'm sure EVERYONE who reads your posts and who really cares about
humanity as much as you obviously do is going to rush right down to their
regional Org before it collapses and sign up for EVERYTHING so they can be JUST
LIKE YOU, purple necktie and all, before it's too late and those BAD, BAD SPs
ruin Scientology like they've been ruining EVERYTHING for TRILLIONS of years --
blowing up planets, enslaving populations and all that.
Why, won't it be a MARVELOUS world when, in a couple of years, EVERYONE will be
a Scientologist like you, there will be NO MORE of those nasty EEEVIL PSYCHS
like the ones who (HORRORS!) wanted to take Lisa McPherson AWAY from her loving
CHURCH full of wonderful warm kind-hearted people just like you, and put her in
CONFINEMENT, pump her full of DRUGS, perform reckless MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS on
her, probably even KILL HER if they got the chance. And of course they would
have taken ALL HER MONEY too. Good thing you Scientology people got to her
FIRST and RESCUED her in time, and were able to put ALL HER MONEY to GOOD use
fighting those EEEVIL PSYCHS and SPs. I'm sure she's GRATEFUL to you
Scientology people, wherever she is now. She probably picked a Scientology
family in a maternity ward close to her beloved Flag so that as soon as
possible she could get back on her BRIDGE TO TOTAL FREEDOM. In FACT, she's
probably a toddler in one of Flag's cheery nurseries RIGHT NOW, eagerly
anticipating being allowed to join the Cadet Org, so she can grow up to be JUST
LIKE YOU, you marvelous, caring, compassionate worthless SHIT-EATING piece of
FOUL EXCREMENT.
ARC, clam-boy.
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In article <69j2dp$1d9$1...@usenet50.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert)
writes:
>>When Wgert sees his bathroom mirror first thing in the morning,
>snip
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
gerry armstrong
On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:37:43 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
.
>10. Sell souls to devil.
>11. The result is all this sanctimonuous salvage, give me a break.
>
That's a key admission against interest we've been looking for. Thank
you to all who risked so much to bring us this close to completing the
cult corral.
That is, theologically what Scientology does. It buys and sells souls.
The cult claims in its fallback OT writings that the "devil," indeed
God Himself and Christ Himself, are but enslavement items from the
Xenu implants. That is, however, just a cover for the Scientological
secret belief that there are devils and a devil who trades in souls
and with whom the cultmasters would be doing a brisk business.
You just don't know do you? It may be sanctimoniousness. It may be
holiness. But either way, I bet there'll soon come a time you'll wish
you hadn't attacked the Youngs and the cats and indeed anyone in the
service of the cultic soul suckers.
Gerry
Michael Reuss
> wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
> Though Vaughn and Stacy have glorified their departure from the Church
Funny, I think their story is anything but glorious. But I do consider
them brave and selfless people, helping others to learn the nasty
truth about the cult of Scientology, so that others might avoid the
pain that Scientology has put them through.
>to any impartial observer it is certain that there is two sides to every
>story. The other side of the story requires one examine their history
In other words, the other side of the story is yet another of those
enlightened Scientology DA packs.
>a strong argument could be made that the real story includes the factor
>that Vaughn and Stacy failed to remain in the Church because they
>were continually dishonest with others and with themselves.
That's funny, your cult doesn't punish dishonesty, but it does punish
disobedience. The Youngs simply wised up to the sometimes brutal scam
that is Scientology. One day many of us hope you will do the same,
wgert.
[snip]
> Trust and loyalty are among the qualities most admired by
>Scientologists and by many people.
Blind obedience is the quality Scientology trains and drills and
conditions into it's adherents.
>This quality is very important when
>one is helping another to reach spiritual enlightenment through
>auditing in the Church and it is a very important quality in any
>civilized society.
I have yet to encounter a Scientologist that I would call enlightened.
Scientology seems to be an impediment to understanding and truth. You
Scientologists lie all the time, without shame. You really need to get
your sense of shame back.
> This story is not an attempt to just trash the Youngs, but to
>provide an accurate perspective
Oh no, you couldn't be simply attempting to trash the Youngs, because
that just wouldn't be right. So you come up with a shore story, which
you believe makes it the Youngs fault for your constant hounding and
harassment of them.
You're not talking to fools here, wgert. We wogs are at cause over you
scammers who speak on behalf of the cult of Scientology. Your cult's
lies and harassments are never going to go unchallenged again. And the
more you dig in and commit to your harassments, your barratry, your
hatred of dissent and the dissenters, the faster you'll shrivel up and
blow away as a political organization.
Get used to the idea.
--
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
--
Michael Reuss (remove nospam from address to reply by e-mail)
Honorary Kid
William Barwell
In article <6b5avv$r83$1...@usenet11.supernews.com>, wgert <wg...@loop.com> wrote:
>Before everyone goes hysterical here, give me a break.
>
>1. People blow from the Sea Org.
Most sea orgers usually do sooner or later.
>2. People attempt to extort.
Whoops! Lie alert! Lie alert!
Same old liars.
Extort? Who makes that claim? The same people still claiming
Hubbard was blind and crippled at the end of WWI and abandoned by
his family? That there are 8 milliion Scientoplogists?
That Wgert is a Supernews administrator.
Lies! All lies.
Well, everybody knows it Gertie.
How much money did Scientology extort from Lisa McPherson before you all
killed her with stupidity and incompetence?
How much do you extort with brainweashing and fear mongeing and tall tales
of BTs and other lies?
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Robert Vaughn Young
To anyone who wants to see what John Travolta's money buys and what
Scientology truly teaches, read the following hate post about me and my
wife from the official ARS-Scientology spokesman.
And to the "wgert" account: that's how much I'm afraid of your lies.
Do you work for people who injure innocent animals to send a message to me
and my wife?
wgert (wg...@loop.com) wrote:
: Though Vaughn and Stacy have glorified their departure from the Church
--
*----------------------------------------------*
Robert Vaughn Young * The most potent weapon of the oppressor is *
wri...@eskimo.com * the mind of the oppressed. - Steve Biko *
*----------------------------------------------*
Robert Vaughn Young
To the "wgert" account: Are you working for people who will injure an
innocent animal to send a message to me and my wife?
CillyPuddi
I didn't read this thing. Weee Gertitated nonsense in not credible at all. If
he would just consider answering some of my questions. I might tolerate his
nonsense.
>Subject: Re: Scientology Attacks Cat Sanctuary Again (sby)
>From: wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young)
>Date: Sat, Feb 7, 1998 18:03 EST
>Message-id: <6bip7e$4qi$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>
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ExScio
RVY wrote:
>To the "wgert" account: Are you working for people who will injure an
>innocent animal to send a message to me and my wife?
Sounds like a fair question to me. How about an answer, wgert?
Martin Hunt
From: mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology Attacks Cat Sanctuary Again (sby)
Organization: The ARSCC: http://www.arscc.com/
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In article <6b3l6f$25i$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
s...@eskimo.com (Stacy Young) wrote:
>Scientology is going after our cats again.
Thank you for your report on what Scientology is up to in your
neck of the woods, Stacy; it reads almost as a how-to of making
entrenched enemies out of people, how to turn an entire community
against Scientology. I'm from a small island community like
Vashon, and I know how these people get when riled up; at times,
these close-knit communities can be extremely political and
activist...I think there were more protesters from Salt Spring
than the cities here over environmental issues. If Scientology
didn't learn it's lesson in Ireland over Odhran Fortune, then
they're destined to repeat that lesson in how not to proceed
against a group.
...
Operation Foot Bazooka is doing well in the early part of 1998,
I see.
I wish you and Robert well against this implacable and rather
stupid enemy. Can anything be done legally to stop this Lee
person and his spreading of libel sheets in your community?
ttyl,
martin.
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Free! Email hel...@online.no for $cientology $ecret NOTs! See
what deluded cult members pay $360,000 for!
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Laudanum
On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 03:14:42 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
> Though Vaughn and Stacy have glorified their departure from the Church
>for purposes of interest and to enhance their ability to entice
>newspapers and magazines to pay them (mainly the German publications),
>to any impartial observer it is certain that there is two sides to
>every story.
>
*snip of verbal vomitus and mixed bits of glorified excrement*
Gertner, you are, by far, one of the more pathetic wastes of
oxygen I have ever had the displeasure of meeting, reading, and/or
hearing about. You continuously dredge up snippets if data, some of
it hyperbole, some outright falsehood about the private lives of those
who have the audacity to talk about the cult and it's practices (How
/dare/ they?) You accuse damn near everyone who doesn't trundle about
cheering, "OSA, all the way! OSA, all the way!" of being a religious
bigot, all the while proving yourself to be far worse, by any rational
system of ranking than those you decry.
You are a pitiful, petty, and small-minded little man who leads a
pitiful, petty, and small-minded existence.
I hope you find a sense of personal accomplishment in it all --
it would be a shame for your life (at least up until now, and I don't
see you changing your persona any time in the near future) to be a
total waste to everyone and everything (except for the Co$ coffers, of
course).
How are things looking in the mirror in the morning, Gertner?
Why don't you think about your own lies in addition to those of
Flubbard's tomorrow? A little break. A deviation from the routine.
Why don't you think about your own hatred before you lambast those who
criticize your church as bigots? I can only hope that the
Hubbard-Tek(tm) didn't strip you of all shreds of humanity. Remove
the log from your own eye before you start bitching about other
people's motes.
In other words, just FOAD, you sorry-ass son of a jackal.
-Laudanum