Accuracy of OT8 on the internet.
Michael Pattinson
http://www.torymagoo.org/cosvm/ot8.htm
It is wholly inaccurate. I did OT8 in 1990, and NONE of this was part
of it. Not the Jesus part, and not the whole "recalled process" part,
which is, IMHO a "crock of shift". It looks to me like these are 2
DECOY texts to confuse the public. Tory can not be blamed for posting
it, but I can vouch for its inaccuracies.
The two accurate things that have been posted on the internet are;
1. Ariane Jacquier's account of OT8.
2. The "End Phenomenon" of OT8 that Scientology's lawyers forced out
of me in a deposition "Now I know who I am not, and am interested in
finding out who I am".
This other stuff was nowhere on OT8. I think it should be removed from
Tory's web page in the interests of correctly informing the public.
Thanks
Michael Pattinson
Michael Pattinson
PS I would advise Anonymous not to use the Hubbard/Scientology "Jesus-
pedophile" banner or text anywhere, as it is not verifiable in any
way, and most likely false..
MP
commodor...@gmail.com
FROM THOSE LIED TO BY HIS ILLEGAL ORGANIZATION.
Skipper
FTSOH <FT...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:46:05 -0800 (PST).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> <0f4d9b77-c015-4766...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
> And the Organization Header: http://groups.google.com.
> The famous author: Michael Pattinson <mpatt...@gmail.com>.
> Wrote on the subject: Accuracy of OT8 on the internet.:
> Thanks Michael, that pretty much puts an end to the "Jesus was a
> Pedophile" crock of shit I hope.
Well, I'm sure you heard him on tape deride "the man on the cross" as
an "implant" and also about Jesus snort and say "If he even existed"?
Patty Pieniadz
Michael, thank you so very, very much for putting this issue to rest.
Patty
Skipper
TruthSetsYouFree <TruthSet...@invalid.host> wrote:
> Class VIII tapes yes, but nowhere "Pedophile".
>
> That was the issue here.
Right. My point is that Elwrong lied his ass off about Jesus. He put
out the book "$cientology and the Bible" and he let a lot of Sea Org
members and public think he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. For
example, the "Safespace" project at Celebrity Centre in 1973 which was
a book that wanted to be a movie about Jesus going back to his galactic
roots (another civilization) being electronically imprisoned (sound
familiar, Xenu?) and then returning to Earth. Fred Hare who did the
sci-fi TV show (I told him how to do it and what $cientologists to
recruit) was completely convinced Elwrong was Jesus come back.
And then there's the lovely quote on Philadelphia Doctorate Course tape
#1 where Elwrong talks about people writing in about preclears turning
into Satan before their eyes and Elwrong tells the audience: "Hmph. Who
do they think I am? Ha ha ha ha ha."
That piece of shit wasn't Christ, the Antichrist, or even "piss
christ." He was just a lying, manipulating piece of shit and the people
making money off his stuff now and lying, manipulating, no good pieces
of shit. I've met a lot of the people mentioned on Ariane's discussion
including "OT8 rewriter" Ray Mithoff, so I say in on good authority.
Friendly Xenu
>I just read this web page for the first time.
>http://www.torymagoo.org/cosvm/ot8.htm
>It is wholly inaccurate.
Thanks for the clarification, Michael. And it's great seeing you
participate in a.r.s again. }:-}
---
"Every time Tory waves to OSA, David Miscaviage gets shorter."
Friendly Xenu
>This other stuff was nowhere on OT8. I think it should be removed from
>Tory's web page in the interests of correctly informing the public.
What the hell... That's not part of Tory's web site. I think
I screwed up and posted the cosvm.org web site to the wrong host.
I'm going to remove all of that right now.
phil scott
I did L-12.... and have determined that there were multiple versions
delivered within scn at the same time for various reasons... Id
*suspect the same with OT-8... especially since several who have since
left have compared notes, and posted the NG to the effect that each
did another version.... the first *reportedly nasty has hell re the
satanist thang...changed after the first few who did the level either
die or blew.... all here say on this end though....but the L-12
experience is not heresay.
many tactics were used by Hubbard to mask his stuff.
I think the thrust of the expose major can be diverted by excessive
hair splitting...id say its sufficient to anounce that the 'pedo'
thang looks like it may have been a forgery.... and move on. that
was never the issue.
the cults massive crime wave and ruining thousands of lives IS the
issue.
Phil Scott
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sevral x's have posted the ng in the past stating that that there were
several versions of OT-8... the first producing bad results...and on
the topic of hubbard and satanism... heresay? maybe. someone will
dig up those posts, then based on who posted them we can decide on
credibility.
Some posting on the credibility of the OT8 stuff had been out of
scientology for over a decade when the first version of it was
released...so how they would know eludes me.
but it is an arguement that changes the focus from the real
issues....the cults abuses and crime wave and whats being done about
it.
having said that I support those who try to keep it factual....thats
always vital......
sarcasm, parody, joking and degrading, satire? well that should be
recognised as putting the attention on the larger issue as well.
Phil Scott
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!
This is the one that Kendrick Moxon marked as a copyright infrigment,
in RTC vs Arnaldo (Arnie)
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/washingtonpost/lermaraid091995.html
Lerma, Leiby, Marc Fisher, The Washington Post and Digital gateway
and then Scientology's Scientologist attorney Earle Cooley explained
to Judge brinkema after they changed their minds and realized they had
better NOT call it a copyright infringement... he said (lying - trying
to lead the judge to a wrong conclusion) "that just goes to show you
have to have experienced people doing the search" (of my hard
disks )..
Kendrick Moxon was a 20+ year scientologist at that time... an
OT7.....and OSA, and a RTC Exec and Lawyer privy to all, having the
highest security clearances in scientology..
and he marked it as a copyright violation...
The back peddling was amazing!
And now it is called a "FORGERY"
regarding 20 year scientology OT7 and RTC Lawyer, and Unindicted Co-
conspirator in US vs Mary Sue Hubbard, Moxon tabbing the OT 8 bulletin
as the real deal in RTC vs Lerma
now for the rest of the story
Shortly after the Lerma Raid of August 5th 1995, for posting the
Fishman affidavit to alt.religion.scientology,
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/washingtonpost/lermaraid091995.html
Helena Kobrin
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/kob3.jpg
and Warren McShane
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/bed1.jpg
showed up on
http://www.lermanet.com/leiby.htm
Richard Leiby's doorstep...in Maryland, ( I had given the doc to
Richard for safekeeping..(who had put in the vault at the washington
post) in order to be able to prove it was a court filing, and not
"Stolen property" as Scientology had claimed ( lying) to the Judge, in
6" of exparte filings, in order to get the raid authorized...
They were asking him if he had the fishman documents.
Richard said he had OT1 through OT8, and asked if THEY were the ones
they were looking for, including OT8??
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/kob3.jpg
Helena Kobrin answered yes, those... and
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/raid.html
Warren McShane elbowed her, to shut up, clarifying that they were
interested in OT1 through OtVII
---------------------
So there you have it,
Kendrick Moxon tabbed OT8 as a COPYRIGHT violation
( see first post in this thread ) AND
Helena Kobrin said YES, to Washington Post writer Richard Leiby, on
his front doorstep.. that OT8 was a one of the COPYRIGHT works in
question until Warren McShane elbowed her in the ribs to be silent.
arnie lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
Is is real or or is it forgery, I do not know, whatever it is, at
LEAST it is similar enough to how Hubbard describes what Christianity
really is to fool the best and most experienced big shots in
Scientology.
Hubbard saying: There man on the Cross, there was no christ
http://www.Lermanet.com/cos/nochrist.wav
and.. with the quote above and perhaps this one:
"The only difference between Moslems and christians is how they go to
the bathroom" (laughing)
http://www.lermanet.com/audio/hubbard-on-christians-and-moslems.wma
and a laughable book called The Hymn of Asia, filled with nonsensical
sanscrit looking writings that in fact say nothing, and a long "poem"
in English by the penultimate narcissist Hubbard claiming to be the
reincarnation of Buddha!
you have enough to get EVERYONE pissed off without generating ten
thousand lines of argument about whether it is real or not
Regards
Arnie Lerma
LERMANET.COM Exposing the CON
Hartley Patterson
> It is wholly inaccurate. I did OT8 in 1990, and NONE of this was part
> of it. Not the Jesus part, and not the whole "recalled process" part,
> which is, IMHO a "crock of shift".
The website Anonymous are getting this from is likely:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/index2.html
Not Karin's fault, it just needs an update to say that you (and presumably
other OT8s now) can testify that the OT8 you read was not this one.
Posting to ARS to that effect is not going to work, most Anonymous don't
read it.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
Jonathon Barbera
<mpatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I just read this web page for the first time.
>
I am responsible for disseminating the fake OT VIII about Jesus back
in the 1990's. I knew it was fake but I always liked the reference
overall.
The primary source of anti-Christian sentiment on this newsgroup is
me. I am a declared SP and not a representative of the church.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!
wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:46:05 -0800 (PST), Michael Pattinson
>
> >I just read this web page for the first time.
>
> I am responsible for disseminating the fake OT VIII about Jesus back
> in the 1990's. I knew it was fake but I always liked the reference
> overall.
>
> The primary source of anti-Christian sentiment on this newsgroup is
> me. I am a declared SP and not a representative of the church.
>
> Love,
> -- Jonathon
disinformation alert
I believe you are trying to rewrite history
The Fishman OTs and The pedophile OT8 doc was posted repeatedly by an
anon using the nicl SCAMIZDAT
On his deathbed, Joe Harrington admitted he was behind SCAMIZDAT, and
admitted being the one to send the docs to me
which I posted, because OSa was claiming they were ALL a "Forgery"
when Joe would post them.
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/joeharrington.htm
The red on white version of this mailed to OT's in clearwater area
towards the end of the 1980's, I have a red on white version of this
and yeah it is a mimeo edition...
I have no idea who you are other than a low content spammer to this
newsgroup.
Nor do you appear in the 1997 edition of th ARSCC index of posters to
ARS
Nor does anyone I know from back then recall you.
Nor do you appear at Joe Harrington's wake in 2001 - online here
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/joeharrington.htm
"I am Scamizdat"
Joe Harrington
nor do I recall you ever before until recently..
your google posting activity goes back to 2007
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=yrIb4B0AAABBQxnL4Psr6dv3pbxcW-eu3XyM1BuRoGLlEDcroSXccg
And I've been here since 1993.
Im calling you out as an imposter and a liar.
Regards
Arnie Lerma
703-241-1498
McDermot
I always liked to read it, don't make it unavailable.
The history of it would be good to find out about.
There was an OT9 somewhere too.
Jonathon Barbera
I used to have a red and white pdf file containing this fake OT VIII.
>I have no idea who you are other than a low content spammer to this
>newsgroup.
>
>Nor do you appear in the 1997 edition of th ARSCC index of posters to
>ARS
>
>http://www.lermanet.com/ARS/
>
>Nor does anyone I know from back then recall you.
>
You're not researching very well. I'm quoted repeatedly in Martin
Hunt's ars terminology faq for one. Or don't you remember Martin Hunt
(ARSCC founder) either?
My current e-mail only goes back to 2007, you are correct. However,
I've signed my name as "-- Jonathon" since 1992. Now go research some
more. You're embarassing yourself as it is.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Skipper
<se...@location.org> wrote:
Here's OT 9 by steps:
OT 9 - Cause Over Appearance
Step 1: Bend over.
Step 2: Stick head up ass.
Step 3: Jump.
Step 4: Disappear
Note from Elwrong: I'm outa here. SUCKERS!
phil scott
wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:46:05 -0800 (PST), Michael Pattinson
>
> >I just read this web page for the first time.
>
> I am responsible for disseminating the fake OT VIII about Jesus back
> in the 1990's. I knew it was fake but I always liked the reference
> overall.
>
> The primary source of anti-Christian sentiment on this newsgroup is
> me. I am a declared SP and not a representative of the church.
>
> Love,
> -- Jonathon
Cult boy.....loaded remarks from beginning to end..
phil scott
<ale...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 7:13 pm, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:46:05 -0800 (PST), Michael Pattinson
>
> > <mpattin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >I just read this web page for the first time.
>
> > I am responsible for disseminating the fake OT VIII about Jesus back
> > in the 1990's. I knew it was fake but I always liked the reference
> > overall.
>
> > The primary source of anti-Christian sentiment on this newsgroup is
> > me. I am a declared SP and not a representative of the church.
>
> > Love,
> > -- Jonathon
>
> disinformation alert
> I believe you are trying to rewrite history
>
> The Fishman OTs and The pedophile OT8 doc was posted repeatedly by an
> anon using the nicl SCAMIZDAT
> On his deathbed, Joe Harrington admitted he was behind SCAMIZDAT, and
> admitted being the one to send the docs to me
> which I posted, because OSa was claiming they were ALL a "Forgery"
>
> The red on white version of this mailed to OT's in clearwater area
> towards the end of the 1980's, I have a red on white version of this
> and yeah it is a mimeo edition...
>
> I have no idea who you are other than a low content spammer to this
> newsgroup.
>
> Nor do you appear in the 1997 edition of th ARSCC index of posters to
> ARS
>
> http://www.lermanet.com/ARS/
>
> Nor does anyone I know from back then recall you.
>
> "I am Scamizdat"
> Joe Harrington
>
> nor do I recall you ever before until recently..
>
>
> And I've been here since 1993.
>
> Im calling you out as an imposter and a liar.
>
> Regards
> Arnie Lerma
> 703-241-1498
that would be about right arnie... this barbera guy has not been
around long and he has been posting to confuse issues at every
opportunity.
Phil Scott
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!
Sorry pal, Lots of followups calling you out as a liar, like this:
Jonathon Barbera wrote:
> University Police: Illinois Campus Shooter On "Medication"
> http://www.infowars.com/?p=255
> -- Jonathon
You ARE really this stupid to twist a story into a bold-faced lie.
Well, you are promoting a big lie, so that is in keeping with
Hubbard's
"the only way to control people is to lie to them" theme of
Scientology.
Q"
and some posts as a freezoner type, scientology works,
but they must be screwed up because they don't like me from 1996, 680
or so from 96-2002
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=barbera%40primenet.com&qt_s=Sear
Whats the deal were you too crazy for the sea org recruiters?
its nice that you made up a list of upper level rubbish, but you are a
recent confirmed liar and fake,
Once i see a pattern of lies, the source gets kill filed, and yes you
are in my kill files in Forte agent
but Ive been using google lately so I got a chance to get aquainted..
I'm supposed to believe you have reformed and now tell the truth?
Sounds like "we don;t do that anymore"
which means we dont do that any less
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
you are an obvious cult op jonathon or whatever your real name
is... now you are trying to confuse the cult as a xian based
cherch.... all kinds of spin.... to get anons attention off of the
March 15 protext.
Phil Scott
roger gonnet
news:efd6040f-d8a4-452a...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 17, 1:46 pm, Michael Pattinson <mpattin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just read this web page for the first time.
>
> http://www.torymagoo.org/cosvm/ot8.htm
>
> It is wholly inaccurate. I did OT8 in 1990, and NONE of this was part
> of it. Not the Jesus part, and not the whole "recalled process" part,
> which is, IMHO a "crock of shift". It looks to me like these are 2
> DECOY texts to confuse the public. Tory can not be blamed for posting
> it, but I can vouch for its inaccuracies.
>
> The two accurate things that have been posted on the internet are;
>
> 1. Ariane Jacquier's account of OT8.
>
> 2. The "End Phenomenon" of OT8 that Scientology's lawyers forced out
> of me in a deposition "Now I know who I am not, and am interested in
> finding out who I am".
>
> This other stuff was nowhere on OT8. I think it should be removed from
> Tory's web page in the interests of correctly informing the public.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Pattinson
---Well, Mike, you are wrong: the OT 8 you did is the now official one, but
no one has been able to disprove the "jesus pedophile" one. Indeed, if you
knew your french story, you could know that as late as 1993, the cult
attacked Bernard Fillaire, a french writer, for copyright violation
supposedly committed in his book "Le Grand Décervelage", where he gave this
"jesus pedophile" version of OT8.
---They were already a lot of OT8s in France then, so, if OSA complained for
violation of copyrights against Fillaire in 1993, I presume OSA services had
checked that document -appears on pages 52-54 of his book .
Later, OSA dismissed the complaint and indeed, it can be supposed that the
old version had already gotten such a very bad press INSIDE the few OT8s'
club that they had sent lots of KRs to OSA. We can wonder why many if not
most of the first OT8s have left and why some have died.
I did L-12.... and have determined that there were multiple versions
delivered within scn at the same time for various reasons... Id
*suspect the same with OT-8... especially since several who have since
left have compared notes, and posted the NG to the effect that each
did another version.... the first *reportedly nasty has hell re the
satanist thang...changed after the first few who did the level either
die or blew.... all here say on this end though....but the L-12
experience is not heresay.
many tactics were used by Hubbard to mask his stuff.
--- there is a much evident exemple:
---See how dianetics changed often... In the 1950s, it changed lots of
times, adding lots of processes in a matter of months. In 1974, the course
was the first step after Life rapair, now it's on Grade V brfore powers; it
was modified into "Dianetics To-day" in 1976 and again few months later into
the NED. Stupidly, Hubbard reworte later the OT levels and transformex them
into NED for OTs, while most of the porcesses there are"nt dianetics at all
(if compared to 'scientology' processes like OT2, 3 etc).
I think the thrust of the expose major can be diverted by excessive
hair splitting...id say its sufficient to anounce that the 'pedo'
thang looks like it may have been a forgery.... and move on. that
was never the issue.
the cults massive crime wave and ruining thousands of lives IS the
issue.
roger
Jonathon Barbera
If it is "obvious" then you must be very troubled in life. I have been
honest about my relationship to the church. I was in the church from
1990-1993 and then declared in 1994.
As for the "xian" issue, it is separate from the church. I am a
private individual relating his opinion that Christianity and the man
on the cross are part of a mind control implant. Many people suffer
from this implant, Roman Catholics doubly so.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
If you did a google search, you would find my posts going back to
1992. I've used five different e-mail addresses over those 16 years,
but I've signed my name as "-- Jonathon" since 1992.
Love,
-- Jonathon
phil scott
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> a écrit dans le message denews:efd6040f-d8a4-452a...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
hi roger, this FTSOH asshole appears to be on the standard cult op
agenda. Here is my rebuttal.
FTSOH View profile
(snip the trash job)
> It's a conspiracy Phil, run by Oracle.
you said that moron.... the fact is that Brian Quigley worked from
oracle computers as an oracle employee to try and frame me for
posting
libel etc... thats a matter of well established and recorded
history.
not impressive of you 'FTSOH' (who is not known on ars or by the
arscc wdne btw... the cult ops with new fake names come and go like
flies.)
note to anons... I dont know if FTSOH is a cult op or not...but he or
she is behaving like one.
In this case trying to discredit me, and
to deny the fact of Oracle corp infiltration by known operatives of
the criminal cult.... thats factual...thats also the cults long
established pattern....
cos members have been sent to prison for the same sort of tactic in
the snow white case... infiltrated govt, stole documents, planted
others, blackmailed govt officials.
many others were hit by scientology in the same
fashion or worse (paullette cooper for instance)...... shit head
here , FTSOH
is now trying to call the tactic a
'conspiracy theory'.
if FTSOH is not a cult op Id be entirely surprised....
notice how he
also tried to derail the massive anonymous expose and protest issue
with a debatable
point on cult trivia regarding what the known lying sack of shit
Hubbard said or did not say.... amazing these people.
expect a lot more of that crap from the crime cultists...its a well
established pattern.
Phil Scott
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> Go into full conspiracy rant mode Phil please, pretty please...- Hide quoted text -
phil scott
wrote:
err moron.... you are probably still in the cult....or our but still
nutz.
repost rebuttal:
FTSOH View profile
(snip the trash job)
Phil Scott
- Hide quoted text -
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> Go into full conspiracy rant mode Phil please, pretty please...- Hide quoted text -
phil scott
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
your cult, and you apparently also use many fake names....
impressive.. and also fake addresses...as you trash real critics and
try to distract from the expose.... as your cult keeps shrinking.
Feisty
"phil scott" <ph...@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:563b8fd7-71a0-4065...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
repost rebuttal:
FTSOH View profile
(snip the trash job)
---isn't that funny how Jonathan uses corporate sponsors to negatively and
virally influence public opinion by placing YOU in the hotseat? He's just
let you know in one sentence alone the agenda of the sales cult.
That's why it's not a religion. You can always tell a pitch man by the time
spend shaping opinion using jingles rather than facts. Jonathan gives
telemarketers a bad name. Here they can keep people going all day long on
the phone or tv. how much diff isn't it? Faith is an oxymoron as used.
(And if you read from the bottom up, you see the payoff earlier, and don't
have to wade through all the filler. Confusion tech in their posts works
from top down....)
The more you explain, the less work he has to do... They intentionally make
facts wrong and etc... cause it works right at the instinct level to put
others in the "we correct what's wrong mode" which places people without
saying outright... "below" them...
And OT 8 would sound so appealing to people on that stairway up.... to
elightenment... to sacrifice their whole day on you Phil.... Ain't that wild
how high people go when they are really in hell?
Tricky stuff that corp heirarchy... no mutal respect..
Maureen
Rasta Robert
>
> not impressive of you 'FTSOH' (who is not known on ars or by the
> arscc wdne btw... the cult ops with new fake names come and go like
> flies.)
>
>
> if FTSOH is not a cult op Id be entirely surprised....
>
You seem to be one of the few who have not been able to figure
out who FTSOH is. Do lurk moar...
--
<http://rr.www.cistron.nl/> -!- <http://www.rr.dds.nl/>
<http://www.dread.demon.nl/>
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> wrote in message
>
> news:563b8fd7-71a0-4065...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 18, 4:10 am, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:05:22 -0800 (PST), phil scott
>
> > <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> > >On Feb 17, 4:45 pm, "Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!"
> > ><ale...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> On Feb 17, 7:13 pm, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> > >> wrote:
>
>
> (snip the trash job)
>
> > It's a conspiracy Phil, run by Oracle.
>
.
>
> ---isn't that funny how Jonathan uses corporate sponsors to negatively and
> virally influence public opinion by placing YOU in the hotseat? He's just
> let you know in one sentence alone the agenda of the sales cult.
> That's why it's not a religion. You can always tell a pitch man by the time
> spend shaping opinion using jingles rather than facts. Jonathan gives
> telemarketers a bad name. Here they can keep people going all day long on
> the phone or tv. how much diff isn't it? Faith is an oxymoron as used.
>
> (And if you read from the bottom up, you see the payoff earlier, and don't
> have to wade through all the filler. Confusion tech in their posts works
> from top down....)
Very good point, if any readers have NOT read the confusion technique
pages on Lermanet.com, they are a MUST READ, if you don't read
anything else on this website read these...
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/confusion-technique.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/confusion-technique2.htm
>
> The more you explain, the less work he has to do... They intentionally make
> facts wrong and etc... cause it works right at the instinct level to put
> others in the "we correct what's wrong mode" which places people without
> saying outright... "below" them...
>
> And OT 8 would sound so appealing to people on that stairway up.... to
> elightenment... to sacrifice their whole day on you Phil.... Ain't that wild
> how high people go when they are really in hell?
>
> Tricky stuff that corp heirarchy... no mutal respect..
>
> Maureen
CS Lewis, A Christian Theologian who wrote many stories illustrative
of what he considered God's will to be. The screwtape letters series
was an attempt to teach judeo-christian principles by contriving the
example of a series of letters from a middle level management level
member of Satan's demons to one of his minions ons on earth on how to
conduct the recruitment of souls for Satan...
"The Screwtape letters likened hell to a bureaucracy in which everyone
is perpetually concerned about dignity and advancement, where everyone
has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions
of envy, self-importance and resentment." - reminded me of what
Scientology is actually like, especially it's management organization
- the sea org. http://www.lermanet.com/sources.htm
>
anothers...@hotmail.com
there is plenty of evidence and to which we all object. Best to
concentrate on those.
And besides, we have Ron's own voice talking about how Christ was an
implant -- thus proving that scientology is not truly compatible with
all religions because it is obviously NOT compatible with
Christianity.
Another Surfer
Jonathon Barbera
FTSOH is OSA double agent Sten-Arne Zerpe. He is notorious for
trolling critics and Scientologists alike.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
wrote:
You're mixing my identity up with FTSOH (Sten-Arne Zerpe). Trace the
thread back.
Love,
-- Jonathon