refuse to be sucked in, but have i already?
Fun4897329847323
curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
Scientology).
But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
Please respond, i need some answers.
ACT
"Fun4897329847323" <fun48973...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was
just
> curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed
prety
> normal there,
> (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
try picketing outside the Org to find out their true colours!
> I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
> Scientology).
Scientology books don't stand up to much scientific scrutiny. My own copy of
"Dianetics" is full of pencil-marks outlining contradictions,
inconsistencies and Hubbard's broadsweeping statements.
>
> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory
film)
"We're the auditors?"
> i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
> Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
> messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
> Please respond, i need some answers.
I suggest you stay away from the org for a while. Or if you insist on going
there, leave your wallet at home.
Cheers,
ACT
The German Paymaster
messages don't work. Since you say "Scientology is bullshit" I'm
pretty sure you're not brainwashed. If you later feel any desire to go
back to the Org, or if Scientology starts making sense to you, talk to
a trusted (non-Scn) friend or relative immediately. In the meantime,
I'd recommend you visit Xenu TV (http://www.xenutv.com/) and watch the
Xenu cartoon or some of the clips of Scientologists robotically
attacking picketers... that should act as a "skepticism booster shot".
In article <20000523053701...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
fun48973...@aol.com (Fun4897329847323) wrote:
> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short
introductory film)
> Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but
sublimic
> messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
> Please respond, i need some answers.
--
Love and encouragement,
The German Paymaster
(well, half-German... on my father's side)
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/
"Sheesh! Everyone's a critic!" -- John Travolta :-)
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Before you buy.
Phil Scott
(Fun4897329847323) wrote:
>im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was just
>curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
>normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
>I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>Scientology).
>
>But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
>i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
>Please respond, i need some answers.
The front end of the cults indoctrination centers are staffed mostly
with newbies who have no clue about the cult...and these people are
genuinely well intended. the cult feeds on these people
and they are good people....
thats how the cult sucks you in. You think the cult is good that
way. No its not too late, just dig the scene and boggie on.
Phil Scott
Pierre Savoie
subliminal images in advertising, starting by turning his thesis research
into a readable paperback called SUBLIMINAL SEDUCTION (1973), and followed
it up with a few sequels. He pointed out disturbing images in print ads,
clearly visible when you looked at them right. It's not a recent
advertiser's trick; Renaissance painters also slipped in shocking stuff on
the Sistine Chapel (what was Eve doing to Adam the instant before they
turned around to look at the snake in the tree?) Key even said that Blue
Suede's 70's song "Hooked on a Feeling" had at one point a nonsense line "Oo
ga sha kah" which once buried deep down in the mix transforms smoothly into
"Who got sucked off?" The more shocking and unexpected a subliminal is, the
more the mind instantly rejects or reinterprets it, so the better it works.
On this theory you could expect to see porno in Christian Television Network
commercials.
He was solidly castigated by Madison Avenue, and THE SKEPTICAL INQUIRER
(www.csicop.org) magazine also attacked his theories, since to them they
count as a "claim of the paranormal". Ironically, one TV interview used a
subliminal technique (called "monster lighting", an overhead light that
leaves shadows under the eyes to make people look sinister) to attempt to
discredit him. Key fought back by covering the interviewer's teleprompter
so Key could have a chance to speak when the manicured head was left
speechless.
Still, one thing Key said is that TV commercials and videos are
low-resolution images and it is harder to do subliminals on them.
Advertisers prefer glossy photographic print ads and movie screens, that's
high resolution. So relax, you're not mind-controlled, you've been
sufficiently informed about Scientology. Some are even known to lead happy,
fulfilled lives completely out of Scientology's influence! S'truth!
They're not the way, the truth and the light; nothing is. If you develop a
sudden change of heart, waking up in the middle of the night wanting to join
Scientology combined with an odd craving for pickles, just get on the
Internet for a bit. That will cure ANY "religious" yearnings, and Yahoo.com
will even point out the shortcomings of each religion, cult and psychic
stand, all neatly categorized for your convenience (their "opposing views"
categories are brilliant!)
"Fun4897329847323" <fun48973...@aol.com> wrote in message
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chee...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
control relies on reinforcement. Visit www.xenu.net before you go back. Ask them
questions based on what you find there. Judge them by the information content of
their response. If they attack or evade instead of answering, you can be sure
everything is not on the up-and-up. Think for yourself though, and question anyone
who tries to persuade you not to. Cheese23
The Cardinal
be fine... and dont go back
Cardinal Tony Biggleswirth KoX SP2
Look Ma.... a new website
http://members.xoom.com/richileau/
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
Cry "Squeak!" And let loose the Four Ferrets of the Apocalypse!
Cornelius Krasel
> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
> i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
> Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
> messeges from the film already?
No. It is not possible to be "brainwashed" by "sublimic messages".
Instead of going to a Scientology org I'd recommend a spelling
course.
--Cornelius.
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Baba ROM DOS
<20000523053701...@ng-fv1.aol.com>...
>im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was
just
>curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed
prety
>normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
>I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>Scientology).
>
film)
>i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>Please respond, i need some answers.
Rent the film "Videodrome". That will give you some
idea of what's been done to you. You can only hope
that the neurological changes in your brain are relatively
minor after only one viewing. But don't go back. Ever.
Even if it seems perfectly safe and logical to go back
and ask questions. *Especially* if it seems perfectly
safe and logical to go back and ask questions.
mimus
>im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was just
>curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
>normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
>I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>Scientology).
>
>But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
>i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
>Please respond, i need some answers.
If something like that worked, don't you think it would've been
implemented in the "Dianetics" TV commercials and sucked all us
zombies into the "centers" for "processing"?
BTW, this argument applies likewise to the volcano in those ads, which
is supposed to stimulate or "restimulate" or something our "reactive
mind" or "reactive bank" and bring back bad 70-odd-million-year-old
memories--from some "cell memory" or other-- of Galactic politics gone
bad, our subsequent death, pickling and transport to a local volcano,
where our pickled dead selves with "spirits" still attached were
H-bombed, our H-bomb-freed "spirits" electronically trapped and even
more strangely programmed or "implanted", and, and . . .
Had any memories, dreams or visions like that lately?
I saw
many people
reduced to
incoherent babbling,
stripping off clothes,
crawling around on the ground,
banging heads, limbs and other body parts
against furniture and walls,
barking,
losing all sense of one's identity
and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon
If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists
posting on the Internet every few days,
we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996)
Case 5/BTLA/SP2
Starshadow
One showing of a film, even with subliminals, which need repeated viewing
to be effective even if they are effective (experts disagree) won't suck you
in.
Another thing you might want to be aware of is that Hubbard started the
whole scam to make money, and bragged freely about it to fans and pros in
the sf community.
Knowing that it was started *as a scam* is frequently inoculation enough.
--
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow (SP4, KoX)
"Feminism--the radical notion that women are people, too"
Steve Zadarnowski
>im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was just
>curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
>normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
>I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>Scientology).
>
>But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
>i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
>Please respond, i need some answers.
Yes, you have been brainwashed. Hidden images saying "Post to ARS"
are embedded in Scienofilms and Scienotapes. Thus, you have posted.
Relax. Their laughable attempts at appearing to have the solutions
to mankind's every problem (and I mean EVERY problem) just don't
cut it nowadays, and you came to the right place. It's just that
between the Scieno Psych Spammers and Battlefield Earth, we aren't
discussing much Scientology in detail. Give it a couple of weeks
and ARS will be back in full swing...
S
Monica Pignotti
fun48973...@aol.com (Fun4897329847323) wrote:
> im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i
was just
> curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They
seemed prety
> normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
> I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
> Scientology).
>
> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short
introductory film)
> i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
> Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but
sublimic
> messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
> Please respond, i need some answers.
From what you wrote here, I don't think you have been brainwashed.
There is no scientific evidence that subliminal messages are effective
anyway. You seem to have your critical thinking skills very much
intact. Good for you!
--
Monica Pignotti
pATRICk dARCy
fun48973...@aol.com (Fun4897329847323) wrote:
> im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i
was just
> curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They
seemed prety
> normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
> I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
> Scientology).
>
> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short
introductory film)
> i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
> Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but
sublimic
> messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
> Please respond, i need some answers.
>
i really hope u havent been brainwashed yet :) but i have a question.
u say u went to scientology twice. what are u looking for?
thanks pat
--
travolta was just awful in that new sci fi movie. i love scientologists
even more now
:)
pATRICk dARCy
hey cardinal. why dont u tell us something about yourself. dont tell
us too much so scientology cant get u, but tell us something.
Lronscam
<20000523053701...@ng-fv1.aol.com>, On or about 23 May 2000
09:37:01 GMT,
Fun4897329847323 says...
>im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was just
>curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
>normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
They do seem pretty normal and only become abnormal when it comes to
Scn'gy. Go in there and tell them you don't understand part of Dianetics
and they will give you a dictionary. Tell them you think Hubbard was
possibly a mad man and they will disown you in a minute.
I actually loved Scn'gsts when I first got into it. Every one was so
friendly (when you have money to give them or time, as I later learned).
But the further you get into it, the more you realize that it only accepts
you under extreme conditions; the longer you are in, the more conditional
it becomes.
>I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>Scientology).
>
>But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
>i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
>Please respond, i need some answers.
You are young so I'll forgive you for this statement. There is no such
thing as an absolute brainwashing. You are in control of your own destiny,
and subliminal messages do not affect people the way you think, if at all.
Now follow my directions: go to the mirror, look into it, tell yourself
that you are in control of your own destiny and nothing is more powerful
than the ability to say 'no,' and simultaneously slap yourself in the face.
;) Do this three times and tell me how you feel.
Ted Mayett
(Fun4897329847323) wrote:
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
>Please respond, i need some answers.
If it does have subliminals, and you can ask these questions, you are
not affected.
Phil Scott
wrote:
>It is very unlikely you have been brainwashed from one event. Effective mind
>control relies on reinforcement. Visit www.xenu.net before you go back. Ask them
>questions based on what you find there. Judge them by the information content of
>their response. If they attack or evade instead of answering, you can be sure
>everything is not on the up-and-up. Think for yourself though, and question anyone
>who tries to persuade you not to. Cheese23
Well not brainwashed subliminally, but I was in the cult for 15 years,
one can get sold a bill of goods by fake smiles real easy, happens
every day.... then the hard core brainwash follows
Phil Scott
>
>Fun4897329847323 wrote:
>
>> im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was just
>> curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
>> normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>>
>> I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>> Scientology).
>>
>> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
>> i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
Dave Bird
Fun4897329847323 <fun48973...@aol.com> writes:
>im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i was just
>curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They seemed prety
>normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
>I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
>Scientology).
>
>But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short introductory film)
>i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
>Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but sublimic
>messeges from the film already?
>if so, what can i do about it?
You have not been brainwashed by sublim. Visual sublim requires
a separate apparatus from the projector to make much shorter, brighter
flashed messages in order for it to "work" (i.e. for the messages to
not be consciously seen by the viewer). Experiment also shows it
to be ineffective (i.e. it doesn't persuade or change actions).
Brain-washing, better translated as thought-reform, is exactly what
it sounds like: you volunteer for long periods of being trained in
doing nothing but thinking & acting according to their instructions,
until in theory that behaviour is drilled into you and becomes yours.
You have not done this.
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for some extremely nasty people and don't realize it. But don't worry;
it took them a long time to get brainwashed, and the Orientation film
didn't do it. It is just a mis-produced piece of hogwash--sort of like
Battlefield Earth, only black PRing the psyclos from a different slant.
The way Scientology brainwashes you is by getting you high (euphoric)
through various means. So can a lot of other practices and substances,
most of which are safer in the long run.
In article <20000523053701...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
fun48973...@aol.com (Fun4897329847323) wrote:
> im 18, and have visited the church of scientology. twice. anyway, i
was just
> curios and had to find out what it was all about on my on. They
seemed prety
> normal there, (the staff) but they didnt seem that great either.
>
> I believe that those books and courses are bullshit (ive read What IS
> Scientology).
>
> But anyway, while i was there, they showed me a movie(short
introductory film)
> i knew i shouldnt have seen it, but i did.
> Can someone tell, is it possible ive already been brainwashed but
sublimic
> messeges from the film already? if so, what can i do about it?
> Please respond, i need some an
Rick English
>Yes, the people at your org are undoubtedly nice people. They just work
>for some extremely nasty people and don't realize it.
This is really the history of Dianetics/Scientology.
When I was first introduced to it (early teens, in the
50's), it was by a bunch of 'oldies', attractive to me by
their being radical and Sci-Fi fans as well as truly genuine
people who thought they were involved in something that was
groundbreaking.
40 years later, I have seen ALL of them, and I repeat ALL of
them, destroyed by this sickest, even if the slickest,
indulgence of one worthless human being's (*) fantasies of
immortality and deification.
(*) LRH for the terminally clueless
>But don't worry;
>it took them a long time to get brainwashed
It took trust.
Then it took 'trust betrayed'. Which even the delerious,
BT- ridden Ill Ron knew was about as low as you can go, yet
still managed to codify.
And that I still feel is LRH's greatest achievement - he
knew all about insanity, and to prove it he created
Scientology.
So his legacy is the Co$ - cure that, and you've cured
insanity !
RE