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Jul 22, 2004, 11:43:06 AM7/22/04

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Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting

I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:

1. I am over the age of eighteen and could competently testify about
the facts herein if called upon to do so.

2. Sometime during or about the weekend of July 16-18, 2004 my
sweetheart Caroline Letkeman roasted some brown rice in one of our
frying pans on our electric range in our apartment at #1-45950
Alexander Avenue, in Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada. I have also
roasted rice in this manner so am familiar with the procedure that we
both use.

3. Our standard procedure is as follows: We rinse the rice, drain the
water, and spread the wet rice in a frying pan on low heat for about
thirty minutes. The rice dries and then roasts to a golden color and
heavenly aroma. After roasting, we grind the roasted rice, stir the
rice meal into four times its volume of cold water, add some salt,
crank up the heat and get it all boiling, then turn down the heat and
simmer until we’ve got a pot of brown rice porridge. It takes about
twenty minutes on our stove to make the cold water boil and the
porridge simmer til done. Usually we make more than one day’s portion
of porridge, so we put the uneaten part in the fridge. The next day,
and continuing thereafter until the porridge is gone, we take about
the same size portion, mix it with some ground flax, dollop the mixed
mass into an olive oiled frying pan, and smooth it into a pan-filling
pancake. Depending on its mass, the pancake usually cooks about twenty
minutes on side one at medium-high temperature, and about five minutes
on side two. When side one is well browned, it will often come free
from the pan, making it possible to flip the pancake in order to cook
side two. Sometimes it is necessary to employ a spatula to spatulate
side one from the pan, a condition I believe is in part attributable
to the degeneration of the subject pan’s coating through years of use.
It has happened on a number of occasions over the past several months
that even spatulation did not achieve a flippable pancake, and we were
left for breakfast again with porridge, albeit considerably denser,
flecked with flax and marbled with chunks and crumbs of crust. It is a
very rare, but not unpostulated, occurrence when one of our pan-sized
rice pancakes flips into the pan without any batter landing on the rim
of the pan, the kitchen countertop, or the floor.

4. Ms. Letkeman has told me that during her roasting of the rice on
the occasion referred to above she did not observe the subject pan at
all times, and that it was during one of the times when she was not
observing the pan that the first miracle occurred that is described
hereinafter. I have no reason to doubt Ms. Letkeman’s memory of this
event, because there was no one in the apartment with us throughout
any of the occurrences described herein, and both of us were doing
different things at different times.

5. During one of the times when she was observing the subject pan, Ms.
Letkeman said that she was seeing a shape, a face in the rice in the
pan. I then also observed the pan and observed a face, and further
observed that the face that had appeared in the roasting rice was the
face of Xenu, the terrible and unmistakable tyrant of seventy-five
million years ago. I immediately got our camera and took a photograph
of the pan face, which photograph I am appending hereto as Exhibit A.
Since I took the photograph, I have at all times retained it in my
custody and control, and it has not been altered in any way.

6. I am very familiar with Xenu’s appearance, having written the sole
definitive study of his appearance, and assembled the largest archive
of authentic records of his appearance on earth, or, as this planet
was known to Xenu, "Teegeeac," or "Teegeeack," depending on the
spelling. I have written many articles, declarations and affidavits
about Xenu, and I have testified as a Xenu expert in several court
proceedings. In my opinion, the face in the subject rice in the
subject pan was that of the same Xenu, also known as Lord Xenu, who is
known to have ruled the sector of the universe that included earth
seventy-five million years ago.

7. Not long after Ms. Letkeman and I observed Xenu’s face in the pan,
and I had taken a photograph of his face, I observed that his face had
disappeared from the pan, just as it had appeared. His face has not to
my knowledge reappeared, at least in the same pan, since the
above-described appearance.

8. Exactly two days later, while Ms. Letkeman and I were frying a
pancake that had been made from the very same porridge that had been
cooked from the very same meal that had been ground from the very same
rice in which Xenu’s face had appeared, and in the very same pan, Ms.
Letkeman observed that the pancake batter did not stay flat in the
pan, as is usual and anticipated, but had risen in the middle of the
pan into a conical shape. She related to me her observation, and I
also examined the shape of the pancake batter, and again got our
camera and took photographs to document this manifestation, which I
have concluded is a second miracle of Xenu that validates the first.
True, correct and unaltered copies of these photographs are appended
hereto as Exhibits B through E.

9. My examination showed that the pancake was formed into a virtually
pan-sized volcano, with a complete, functioning vent and crater. This
occurrence has specific, miraculous significance to me, and, in my
opinion, to other Xenu scholars as well, because volcanoes had been so
specifically significant to Xenu, his troops and their victims on
Earth seventy-five million years ago, and for all seventy-five million
years since. Indeed, the most authentic picture known of Xenu, which
Time Magazine used for the cover of its "Person of the Billennium"
issue, shows him standing in front of a violently erupting volcano. It
is noteworthy that the volcano pictured in the photograph on the cover
of the subject Time issue is remarkably similar in shape to the
volcano that erupted from the rice pancake batter in the subject
frying pan on the occasion described herein.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/fun/parody/billenium.html

10. As is well known, the autoschizological Xenu Cult, which is
headquartered in southern California, publishes a description of these
events involving these same galactic entities and their eternal link
to Earth’s volcanoes in the Cult’s universally available "secret
scriptures."

[Quote]

The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets around larger stars
visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet -- 178 billion on
average) by mass implanting.

He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2) and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas
and there "packaged."

His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means
of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.

When through with his crime Loyal Officers (to the people) captured
him after 6 years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap
where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has
since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that
this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill
(by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it.

[...]

Incident Two

75,000,000 years ago on this planet. Sometimes capture was on another
planet and explosion on this planet, then called Teegeeack. Locate
area of Explosion. Pictures of explosions follow it. Get original
explosion. Effort to stop usually present.

[...]

H Bomb dropped on Volcano. Explosion. Terrific winds. Thetan carried
over peak. Electronic ribbon came up. He stuck to it. It was then
pulled down and he was (as part of a group) implanted with R6.

Picture of pilot saying he is mocking it up.

(R6 material follow, then days of pictures, God, Devil, etc)

(Thetan usually cognites on pilot or before (or on 1st incident) and
leaves.)

[...]

The incident is over 36 days long. Capture on other planets was weeks
or months before the implant. Those on Teegeeack (Earth) were just
blown up except for Loyal Officers who were (shortly before the
explosion on Earth) rounded up.

Do Not Scan through the duration of 36 days.

The Volcanic Explosion on Earth to the point where "the Pilot" says
he's mocking it up is only a few days.

Sequence of Inc 2 for [thetans] on another planet.

1. Capture (being shot)
2. Freezing.
3. Transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point).
4. Being placed near a volcano.
5. Hydrogen bomb explosion in or on the volcano.
6. Beginning Implant up to "the pilot."
7. Various picture sequences.
8. The 7s and c.c. & OT II materials.
9. 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of materials
and 3 explanations for the bombing.
10. Transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into clusters.

The pictures contain God, the Devil, Angels, Space Opera, theatres,
helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and
various scenes very like modern England.

You name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirety "R6".

If one was a Loyal Officer on Teegeeack the sequence was (1) Capture.
(2) #5 above on. If one was a citizen of Teegeeack there was only #5
on.

The material given at the various "volcanoes" was longer or shorter
but dove-tailed into the same sequence of pictures. We have the whole
text but it is needless.

People who feel dizzy have gotten into the spinning part.

[...]

Inc 2 sometimes forms gigantic clusters. In such there is a Leader, an
Alternate Leader and several (8 to 18) more. These were all implanted
in different volcanic areas with fractions of the main 36 day implant
and then "packaged" in Las Palmas or Hawaii. Thus if you run Inc 2 as
far as "The Pilot" it blows up or loosens up and those who don't go
away can be run on Inc 1s.

[End Quote]
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html

11. In their "scriptures," the Xenu Cult pays homage to this
antediluvian galactic despot as the creator of the human race, which
the cultists, for reasons relating to carnivority, call "raw meat,"
and, even more commonly, "wogs®." The Xenuists also refer to Xenu by
his administrative title, the "Supreme Rulah," in their "scriptures,"
and they list the volcanoes they say he used to H-Bomb the billions of
galactic beings seventy-five million years ago to beget the wog® race.
The Xenu Cultists, who practice a form of implanting just as Rulah
Xenu and his renegades did during their years of galactic crime, even
display a volcano on one of their introductory implanting manuals.
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/refund/docs/dmsmh-claims.html

12. In Exhibit B hereto, which is a true and correct overhead
photograph that I took of the subject pan and the rice pancake
volcano, the vent appears as the dark spot in the approximate center
of the volcano.

13. Exhibit C hereto is a true and correct side view photograph I took
showing that the volcano has grown in height surpassing the rim of the
subject pan.

14. Exhibit D hereto is a true and correct photograph I took showing
pancake magma blisters
forming in the volcano’s crater.

15. Exhibit E hereto is a true and correct photograph I took showing
that the volcano has risen to an even greater height above the rim of
the subject pan.

16. A very few minutes after I had taken the photographs described
above and identified as Exhibits B through E hereto, Ms. Letkeman
commented that the volcano had completely lost its conical height and
shape, and had collapsed back down in the subject pan as a standard
flat rice pancake. A true and correct overhead photograph of the
subject pan and the collapsed volcano showing no vent or crater is
appended hereto as Exhibit F.

17. A true and correct side view photograph I took of the subject pan
and its contents showing that the volcano had become again as flat as
a pancake is appended hereto as Exhibit G.

18. The subject pancake then proceeded to cook for approximately
fifteen minutes, during which period I observed it several more times,
at none of which did I observe the pancake do anything out of the
ordinary. After determining that the pancake had cooked to relative
perfection on side one, I caused it to become free of the subject pan,
and I flipped it in order to cook side two. The pancake landed
squarely in the middle of the round pan, and no batter whatsoever
landed on the floor, counter or even the subject pan’s rim.

19. I immediately again got Ms. Letkeman’s and my camera and took an
overhead photograph of the subject pancake in the subject pan. This
photograph, which is appended hereto as Exhibit H, shows that side one
is completely cooked, completely intact, and completely covering the
bottom of the pan. I have concluded that this occurrence is a third
miracle of Xenu, relating to and validating the first and second
miracles identified and described hereinabove.

20. The subject pancake proceeded to cook on side two for
approximately five minutes, at which time my pancake determinism was
that it was done on both sides.

21. My conclusion is that all of the above, along with all of the
photographic evidence identified herein and produced herewith as true
and correct exhibits, is conclusive proof of a serial miracle
involving the being Xenu, Lord Xenu or Supreme Rulah Xenu identified
hereinabove.

I declare under the pains and penalties of perjury under the laws of
British Columbia, Canada, North America, South America, Europe, Asia,
Africa, Australasia, Antarctica, et al. that the foregoing is true and
correct.

Sworn to this twenty-second day of July 2004.

[signed] Gerry Armstrong
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

roger gonnet

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Jul 22, 2004, 12:29:02 PM7/22/04

"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> a écrit dans le message de
news:gfnvf01f9j9ukg9b0...@4ax.com...

LOL!

Good job, Gerry and Mistress Witness of the Holy Apparition of Saint Xenu
the Ruhlah!!

Spacetraveler

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Jul 22, 2004, 6:37:51 PM7/22/04

"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<40ffeb4a$0$26049$626a...@news.free.fr>...

Too bad only that he spends his time to this kind of ridicule instead
of using his energy to more fruitfull revelations. If you may call it
revelations.

Spacetraveler

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Jul 22, 2004, 6:50:04 PM7/22/04

The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
of doing. Id est telling fairytales. But when someone actually knows
about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
challenging your claims you avoid responding. A couple of times you
even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such. Why
is that Gerry?

Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?

Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."

Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.

I challenge you to defy me! I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
that.

http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com

Spacetraveler

Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<gfnvf01f9j9ukg9b0...@4ax.com>...

> Webbed with photographic evidence at:
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/armstrong-decl-2004-07-22.html
>
> Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting
>
> I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:
>
> 1. I am over the age of eighteen and could competently testify about
> the facts herein if called upon to do so.
>
> 2. Sometime during or about the weekend of July 16-18, 2004 my
> sweetheart Caroline Letkeman roasted some brown rice in one of our
> frying pans on our electric range in our apartment at #1-45950
> Alexander Avenue, in Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada. I have also
> roasted rice in this manner so am familiar with the procedure that we
> both use.
>
> 3. Our standard procedure is as follows: We rinse the rice, drain the
> water, and spread the wet rice in a frying pan on low heat for about
> thirty minutes. The rice dries and then roasts to a golden color and
> heavenly aroma. After roasting, we grind the roasted rice, stir the
> rice meal into four times its volume of cold water, add some salt,
> crank up the heat and get it all boiling, then turn down the heat and

> simmer until we?ve got a pot of brown rice porridge. It takes about

> twenty minutes on our stove to make the cold water boil and the

> porridge simmer til done. Usually we make more than one day?s portion

> of porridge, so we put the uneaten part in the fridge. The next day,
> and continuing thereafter until the porridge is gone, we take about
> the same size portion, mix it with some ground flax, dollop the mixed
> mass into an olive oiled frying pan, and smooth it into a pan-filling
> pancake. Depending on its mass, the pancake usually cooks about twenty
> minutes on side one at medium-high temperature, and about five minutes
> on side two. When side one is well browned, it will often come free
> from the pan, making it possible to flip the pancake in order to cook
> side two. Sometimes it is necessary to employ a spatula to spatulate
> side one from the pan, a condition I believe is in part attributable

> to the degeneration of the subject pan?s coating through years of use.

> It has happened on a number of occasions over the past several months
> that even spatulation did not achieve a flippable pancake, and we were
> left for breakfast again with porridge, albeit considerably denser,
> flecked with flax and marbled with chunks and crumbs of crust. It is a
> very rare, but not unpostulated, occurrence when one of our pan-sized
> rice pancakes flips into the pan without any batter landing on the rim
> of the pan, the kitchen countertop, or the floor.
>
> 4. Ms. Letkeman has told me that during her roasting of the rice on
> the occasion referred to above she did not observe the subject pan at
> all times, and that it was during one of the times when she was not
> observing the pan that the first miracle occurred that is described

> hereinafter. I have no reason to doubt Ms. Letkeman?s memory of this

> event, because there was no one in the apartment with us throughout
> any of the occurrences described herein, and both of us were doing
> different things at different times.
>
> 5. During one of the times when she was observing the subject pan, Ms.
> Letkeman said that she was seeing a shape, a face in the rice in the
> pan. I then also observed the pan and observed a face, and further
> observed that the face that had appeared in the roasting rice was the
> face of Xenu, the terrible and unmistakable tyrant of seventy-five
> million years ago. I immediately got our camera and took a photograph
> of the pan face, which photograph I am appending hereto as Exhibit A.
> Since I took the photograph, I have at all times retained it in my
> custody and control, and it has not been altered in any way.
>

> 6. I am very familiar with Xenu?s appearance, having written the sole

> definitive study of his appearance, and assembled the largest archive
> of authentic records of his appearance on earth, or, as this planet
> was known to Xenu, "Teegeeac," or "Teegeeack," depending on the
> spelling. I have written many articles, declarations and affidavits
> about Xenu, and I have testified as a Xenu expert in several court
> proceedings. In my opinion, the face in the subject rice in the
> subject pan was that of the same Xenu, also known as Lord Xenu, who is
> known to have ruled the sector of the universe that included earth
> seventy-five million years ago.
>

> 7. Not long after Ms. Letkeman and I observed Xenu?s face in the pan,

> and I had taken a photograph of his face, I observed that his face had
> disappeared from the pan, just as it had appeared. His face has not to
> my knowledge reappeared, at least in the same pan, since the
> above-described appearance.
>
> 8. Exactly two days later, while Ms. Letkeman and I were frying a
> pancake that had been made from the very same porridge that had been
> cooked from the very same meal that had been ground from the very same

> rice in which Xenu?s face had appeared, and in the very same pan, Ms.

> to Earth?s volcanoes in the Cult?s universally available "secret

> forming in the volcano?s crater.

>
> 15. Exhibit E hereto is a true and correct photograph I took showing
> that the volcano has risen to an even greater height above the rim of
> the subject pan.
>
> 16. A very few minutes after I had taken the photographs described
> above and identified as Exhibits B through E hereto, Ms. Letkeman
> commented that the volcano had completely lost its conical height and
> shape, and had collapsed back down in the subject pan as a standard
> flat rice pancake. A true and correct overhead photograph of the
> subject pan and the collapsed volcano showing no vent or crater is
> appended hereto as Exhibit F.
>
> 17. A true and correct side view photograph I took of the subject pan
> and its contents showing that the volcano had become again as flat as
> a pancake is appended hereto as Exhibit G.
>
> 18. The subject pancake then proceeded to cook for approximately
> fifteen minutes, during which period I observed it several more times,
> at none of which did I observe the pancake do anything out of the
> ordinary. After determining that the pancake had cooked to relative
> perfection on side one, I caused it to become free of the subject pan,
> and I flipped it in order to cook side two. The pancake landed
> squarely in the middle of the round pan, and no batter whatsoever

> landed on the floor, counter or even the subject pan?s rim.
>
> 19. I immediately again got Ms. Letkeman?s and my camera and took an

wbarwell

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Jul 22, 2004, 7:15:09 PM7/22/04

Spacetraveler wrote:

> The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
> of doing. Id est telling fairytales. But when someone actually knows
> about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
> challenging your claims you avoid responding. A couple of times you
> even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such. Why
> is that Gerry?
>
> Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
> factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?
>
> Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
> conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
>
> Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.
>
> I challenge you to defy me! I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
> that.
>

We seem to have some hung comms about science....

Cheerful Charlie,----[ /home/wbarwell/sci/dianetics.mf1 ]
|
****************************************************************************
| Dianetics Mini-FAQ
| William C. Barwell October 6, 1997
|
****************************************************************************
|
| L. Ron Hubbard's book Dianetics makes quite a few unwarranted claims as to
| just what Dianetics can accomplish. This mini- FAQ is to examine just what
| Dianetics claims for those who do not want to bother to obtain and read
| this miserable book to find exactly out what Hubbard claimed.
|
| Dianetics was published in 1950, simultaneously as a book and in the
| Science Fiction magazine, Astounding Science Fiction.
|
| I will be examining a 1999 paperback edition.
| (I updated this July 22, 2004)
|
| Hubbard's main claims can be found in the chapters, 'The Scope of
| Dianetics' (book one, chapter one), 'The Clear' (book one chapter one),
| 'Psychosomatic Illnesses' (book two chapter five) and 'Release or Clear',
| (book three chapter two). I am not examining all of the claims of
| Dianetics, but more specifically what claims a Dianetics "clear" can
| achieve.
|
|
| What is a clear?
|
| "A Clear (noun) is an individual who has a result of Dianetic therapy, has
| neither active nor potential psychosomatic illnesses or abberations."
| (Page 221)
|
| *****
|
| "The Clear is an unaberrated person.
|
| "The Clear has no engrams which can be stimulated to throw out the
| correctness of computation by entering hidden or false data into it. No
| aberration." (page 147)
|
| ******
|
| The engram is the single and sole source of aberration and psychosomatic
| illnesses. (Page 90)
|
| ********
|
| "The purpose of therapy and its sole target is the removal of the content
| of the reactive engram bank. In a release, the majority of emotional
| stress is deleted from this bank. In a Clear, the entire content is
| removed." (Page 227)
|
| *********
|
| Yes, your 'engram bank' contains the engrams that cause abberations and
| illnesses. The goal of Dianetics is to audit out your engrams, empty the
| engram bank for good, and become clear.
|
|
| "Clear is the goal Dianetics therapy, a goal which some patience and a
| little study will bring about". (Page 577)
|
| ***** Your life as a Clear ******
|
| So you extend "some practice and a little study" and you are finally
| declared a Clear by a beaming Dianetics auditor. How does he know?
|
|
| "But a Clear is a Clear and when you see it you will know it with no
| further mistake." (Page 401)
|
| "How can you tell a Clear? How does man measure the optimum to man? Can he
| adjust to his enviroment smoothly? And far more important, can he adjust
| the enviroment to him? Sixty days and six months after a Clear has been
| effected, the auditor should make a search for any neglected material. He
| should question the Clear carefully as to the events of the past interval.
| In such a way he can learn of any worries, concerns, or illnesses which
| may have taken place and attempt to trace these to engrams. if he cannot
| then find engrams, the Clear is definitely and without question, cleared.
| And he will stay that way." (Page 401)
|
|
| Whew! Finally, we are sure we are Clear! We did it! Checked out and by
| golly, there is no mistake. No more engrams.
|
|
| Now for the miracles! What is behind door number three, Ron!?
|
|
| ***** Your new IQ *******
|
| Yes, you always wanted to be smart! That's why you bought the book, right?
| Let's see what Ron said about Clears and IQs.
|
|
| "Is it any wonder, that when these demons (engram caused aberrations) are
| deleted, IQ soars, as it can be observed to do in a Clear? Add the demon
| circuits to the shut down aspect of restimulation and the truth can be
| seen in the observation that people run on about one-twentieth of their
| mental power." (page 119)
|
| "A Clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything which ever
| happened to him, or anything he ever studied. He does mental computations,
| such as those in chess, for example, which a normal would do in half an
| hour, in ten or fifteen seconds." (Page 222)
|
| "He can do a swift study of anything within his intellectual capacity,
| which is inherent and the study would be the equivalent to him of a year
| or two when he was 'normal'. His vigor, persistance, and tenacity to life
| are very much higher than anyone has thought possible." (Page 222)
|
| "IQ, unless it falls down into the feebleminded level, is no great factor.
| And even then the IQ of any patient goes up like a skyrocket with clearing
| and rises all the while during the work." (Page 253)
|
| ****** A Perfect memory ******
|
| "A Clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything that ever
| happened to him, or anything he ever studied." (Page 222)
|
| ****** Enhanced Rationality *******
|
| "Release of such engrams means a restoration of rationality to individual
| far above the current norm and a stability and well-being greater than man
| thought man possessed. These engrams have been confirmed by taking data
| from a child, from the mother, and the father, and all data checked. So we
| are dealing here with scientific facts which, no matter how startling, are
| nonetheless true."
|
|
| ****** Live longer than 'normals' ******
|
| "What the lifespan of a Clear is cannot be answered now; ask in a hundred
| years." (Page 401)
|
| "The deletion of engrams from the reactive bank uniformly brought about a
| condition where they could recieve benefit from the hormones, but where
| such artifical administration was not necessary, save in cases of extreme
| age. What this means to gerontology (the study of longevity in life)
| cannot at this time be estimated, but it can be predicted with confidence
| that the deletion of engrams from the reactive bank has a marked effect on
| the extension of life. A hundred years from now, this data will be
| available, but no Clears have lived that long as yet." (Page 128)
|
|
| ******* No more accidents! ********
|
| "Treatment for accidental injury, surgery for various things such as
| malform -ation inherent in the body on a genetic basis, and orthopedics,
| which can properly be classed under both, remain properly outside of the
| field of Dianetics, although it can be remarked in passing that almost all
| accidents are to be traced to dramatization of engrams and that Clears
| rarely have accidents." (Page 122)
|
|
| ******* No More Psychosmatic Illnesses ********
|
|
| "About 70% of the physicians current roster of diseases fall into the
| category of psychosomatic illnesses." (Page 120)
|
| How this can come about can be shown by an analogic explanation such as a
| schematic diagram, but we are not so much interested in structure at this
| stage of the science of the mind - because by knowing function alone we
| can cure aberrations and psychosomatic illnesses everytime, predict new
| ills and aberrations and generally work "miracles" as such actions were
| once called before man knew anything about the mind." (page 127)
|
|
| ********* Clears do not get colds *************
|
|
| "Clears do not get colds." (page 123)
|
|
| ********** No Migraine Headeaches ************
|
|
|
| "Migraine headaches are psychosomatic, and with the others, are uniformly
| cured by Dianetic therapy. (And the word *cured* is used in the fullest
| sense.)" (Page 123)
|
| ********** Numerous ills cured **********
|
| "Arthritis, dermititis, allergies, asthma, some coronary difficulties, eye
| trouble, bursitis, ulcers, sinusitis, ect., form a small section of the
| psychosomatic catalgue. Bizarre aches and pains in various parts of the
| body are generally psychosomatic."
| (Page 123)
|
| ********* Hubbard's classes of psychosomatic ills ***********
| (All curable by Dianetics)
|
| There are 5 classes of psychosomatic ills:
|
|
| (1) Those ills resulting from mentally caused derangment in physical fluid
| flow, which class subdivides into:
|
|
| (1a) ...Inhibition of fluid flow
|
| (1B) ...magnication of flow
|
| (2) Those illnesses resulting from mental derangement of physical growth,
| which class subdivides into:
|
|
| (2A) ...Inhibition of growth
|
| (2B) ...magnification of growth
|
| (3) Those ills resulting from a predisposition to disease resulting from a
| chronic psychsomatic pain in that area.
|
| (4) Those ills resulting from the perpetuation of a disease on account of
| chronic pain in the area;
|
|
| (5) Those ills caused by he verbal command content of engrams.
|
|
| (Page 131)
|
| "In Class 1A fall such ordinary things as constipation and arthritis."
| (Page 131)
|
| "..the scientific fact is that when the engram is picked up, that
| arthritis vanishes and does not return and this is x-ray plate evidence."
| (Page 132)
|
|
| "Class 1B of psychosomatic ills, magnification of fluid flow, contains
| such things as high blood pressure, diarrhea, sinusitis, priapism,.. or
| any other physical condition resulting from a superabundance of a fluid."
|
|
| "Class 2A can cause such things as a withered arm, a foreshortened nose,
| undeveloped genital organs, or any other underdevelopment of a gland
| having to do with size, (which cross classes this with 1A, hairlessness
| ... and in short, reduction in size of any part of the body."
|
|
| "Class 2B causes such things as oversized hands, a lengthened nose,
| oversized ears, enlarged organs and other common physical malformations.
| (Cancer might possibly come under this heading as overhealing.)"
|
|
| "Class 3 would include tuberculosis (some cases), liver trouble, kidney
| trouble,
| rashes, common colds ect..."
|
|
| "Class 4 Tuberculosis would be included here. Conjunctivitis, all running
| sore, and any condition which refuses to heal, ect."
|
|
| "Class 5 includes an enormously wide catalog of conditions, any one of
| which
| may cross index to other classes, or which arises solely out of engrams
| which dictate the presence or necessity of an illness. "You always have
| colds", "I have cold feet", ect, announce a psychosomatic illness and the
| mechanisms of the body can furnish one. (Page 132-3)
|
| "Any disease whatsoever may be precipitated by engrams." (Page 133)
|
| ********* Engrams make childhood diseases deadly **********
|
| "Measles, for instance may just be measels, or can be measels in company
| with
| an engramic restimulation, in which it may be nearly or entirely fatal."
| (Page 133)
|
| "A check of many subjects on this matter of childhood illness being
| predisposed by, percipitated by, and perpetuated by engrams causes one to
| wonder how violent the diseases themselves really are; they have never
| been observed in a cleared child... (Page 133)
|
| ********** Clears don't get ill **********
|
| "But it remains that a Clear is not easily made ill. In an aberree illness
| closely pursues mental depression (depression of the dynamic level). The
| aberration of the mind and body by engrams leads, then, not only to
| psychosomatic ills, but to actual pathology, which hitherto has been
| considered more or less independent of the mental state." (Page 135)
|
| "It is a scientific fact that no psychosomatic ill exists without an
| aberration.And it is true that no aberration exists without a potential
| or actual psychosomatic ill." (Page 135)
|
| ******** Perversion **********
|
| "The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any
| and all forms of deviation in in dynamic two such as homosexuality,
| lesbianism, sexual sadism ect., and all down the catalogue of Ellis and
| Kraft-Ebbing) is actually quite ill physically. (Page 137)
|
| "Hence the pervert containing hundreds and hundreds of vicious engrams has
| little choice between being dead or being a pervert. But with an effective
| science to handle this problem, a society that would continue to endure
| perversion and all its sad and sordid effects doesn't deserve to survive."
| (Page 138)
|
| *******************************************************************
|
| This is the list of the main claims for what a Clear can accomplish with
| Dianetics auditing. Of course, none of it is true. Nobody gets Dianetics
| Clear and then develops a perfect memory, corrected vision, grows hair on
| a bald head, corrects that large nose, or never again gets a cold.
| Although Hubbard continually claims to have proven all of this, he never
| bothered to really show anything like evidence this any of this was so.
|
| Caveat emptor.
|
| W.C. Barwell
|

`----

--
Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.

Cheerful Charlie

Faxhor

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Is Gerry Armstrong proving that he is a Suppressive Person
who cannot complete a cycle of action including communication
cycles? - Faxhor
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Spacetraveler

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wbarwell <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<410057bb$0$17093$811e...@news.mylinuxisp.com>...

> Spacetraveler wrote:
>
> > The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
> > of doing. Id est telling fairytales. But when someone actually knows
> > about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
> > challenging your claims you avoid responding. A couple of times you
> > even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such. Why
> > is that Gerry?
> >
> > Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
> > factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?
> >
> > Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
> > conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
> >
> > Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.
> >
> > I challenge you to defy me! I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
> > that.
> >
>
> We seem to have some hung comms about science....

Not as far as I know. I urged you to find out who actually thought up
that peer review tactic, and getting it published in some special
magazine in order to get something widely accepted even if it could be
rubbish. It's all about manipulation. The science method as I briefly
described is the one that has been used through many ages, and it is a
fully workable one. Yours has a very short history and tend to make
things complicated. And in fact slow down positive developements.

And? Do you think not that dear old Gerry is avoiding responding to
me?

Spacetraveler

wbarwell

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Jul 23, 2004, 10:57:20 AM7/23/04

Spacetraveler wrote:

> wbarwell <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
> news:<410057bb$0$17093$811e...@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
>> Spacetraveler wrote:
>>
>> > The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
>> > of doing. Id est telling fairytales. But when someone actually knows
>> > about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
>> > challenging your claims you avoid responding. A couple of times you
>> > even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such. Why
>> > is that Gerry?
>> >
>> > Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
>> > factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?
>> >
>> > Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
>> > conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
>> >
>> > Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.
>> >
>> > I challenge you to defy me! I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
>> > that.
>> >
>>
>> We seem to have some hung comms about science....
>
> Not as far as I know. I urged you to find out who actually thought up
> that peer review tactic, and getting it published in some special
> magazine in order to get something widely accepted even if it could be
> rubbish.

Its the way science has been done since organizations such as the
Royal Society were set up many moons ago in 1660, many other
societies quickly followed suit.

This has been an extremely successful model that has
been working well for 3 1/2 centuries. Worldwide, large numbers
of colleges and Universities have been part and parcel of
science and are often involved in publishing journals.

Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
us that you are a scientific illiterate.

Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.

See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
struggling with. It is obvious that Hubbard's many claims in
Doofantics that 270 cases were examined blah, blah, blah,
were rank lies. As are his goofy claims, clears have perfect memories,
extended lifespans, massive IQ increaes, no more colds, 70%
of human ills cured, and more, are false and obviously so.
A man who makes false claims that don't work is no scientist.

So its obvious why Hubbard did not go through the usual
channels with his goofy nonsense as far as science is concerned.
He'd be found out in jig time. This is why faced with challenges
from peopl elike me, Scientologists usually go into bitter
denunciations of science and them smarty-pants scientists.

Scientology could no more back up teh basic claims of
Scientology, Hubbard or Doofusnetics than Hubbard could.

And that is what scince, its peer reviews and journals and
other smarty-pants nonsense is all about.
Culling the cranks, quacks, goofballs and nuts.
And finding errors, sloppy work, careless or not well
thought out work.
Or the well done, but simply not quite correct or
work that might be true but is on the cutting edge and might
be wrong and needs to be tested.
Hubbard does not fall inthe latter territory.
He is the first category, the crank, the pseudoscientist.

What you are saying is, "I don't have an
answer for you so I am blowing it off and not answering."

But your ideas about science are primitive and irrelevant.
Hubbard does not cut the mustard.

He claims on page 222 of his turgid tome that clears have
perfect memories and massive IQ increases.
That is simply tested.

For example there are well designed memory tests
that have been used for years to test memories.
It is useful for such things as testing people for
memory problems, early onset of Altzheimers,
or strokes or other problems. But this test does have
the statistical testing of thens of thousands of subjects
behind it so science has a very good idea of what the range
of average humans is as far as memory.
And it has a good idea of what the range of exceptional memory
in the best subjects are fromsuch tests.

Now, scientifically speaking, its an easy test, take pre-clears,
test them. Take a population of clears. Test them. If Hubbard
is doing science, if his claims are true, the clears will test
far above the normal range of test subjects that have
taken these tests of the years.
These tests have a well developed and uniform and simple
manner of being done, its hardly onerous or technically difficult.

Yet, over 50 years, Dianetics/Scientology has not doe anything
like this. Instead, it has simply kept Dianetics on as many bookstore
shelves as possible, peddling the same old lies, year after year.
Scientology is not science, does not do science and doesn't care about
science, becuase, even the clams at the top know it ain't so.

Science is about putting up or shutting up.
Scientology is about chumming for suckers.

Each year, in New York, in preperation for the yearly London
Mind Olympics, in April, there is held and event called
the Memoriad. people from all over the US gather for feats
of memory and related tasks. You have 60 seconds to go through
a shuffled pack of cards and memorize as many as possible.
Any number of people can memorize the whole pack in 60 seconds.
You get an hour to memorize a long sequence of a binary digit.
Top Memoriad winners do 2000 digits in an hour perfectly.

So. Where are all those Scientology clears? Years ago, I challenged
Scientology to march their best clears into the yearly Memoriad
and put up or shut up.

It ain't science, but it would be cute to see the Scientologists
show teh world what Scientology can do for you, in light of
Hubbard's claims in Dianetics, a book still peddled furiously by
this silly clam cult.

If you are peddling the claim, put up.
Don't sneer about peer review and run away.
And call it an argument. It isn't. Its picking
a small excuse and running away.

Its an old, old net kook manuveur that is obvious and invites
derision and laughter.

It's all about manipulation.

Its about competence.
Scientology is not aboit competence.
Or science.
Its about culling facts and truth from error
and pseudoscience. It has worked for centuries,
this method has been the most truely successful
human intellectual endeavor since mankind
invented writing.

Your bitter and totally off the wall denunciation
tells us a lot. You know deep down, that Scientology doesn't cut the
mustard.

We can look at the long list of obviously silly claims
from Dianetics to "The History of Man" to Hubbard's
many bloviating books to his other works. It is not science.
Most of it isn't even good pseudoscience. It obviously is not true.

The claimed results for following this crap are not true.
No clears with massive IQ increaes, no chess problems worked in
10 - 15 seconds, no perfect memories. No OT powers. No nothing.

The science method as I briefly
> described is the one that has been used through many ages, and it is a
> fully workable one. Yours has a very short history and tend to make
> things complicated. And in fact slow down positive developements.

Science is all that works. Pseudoscience does not work.
Hubbard's bullshit does not work, looking at his very own claims.
Dianetics does not work. Scientology, built on Dianetics does not work.
Its a pseudoscience cult.

It is not science, despite its attempt to steal the very name of
science.

Big claims, but you get none of the claims Hubbard so cheerflu bloviates
endlessly in Dianetics on.

>
> And? Do you think not that dear old Gerry is avoiding responding to
> me?

I know you avoided me.

I also know you are a scientific illiterate with little sense of
of what the difference between real science and nonsense is.

What is a clear?

*****

******

********

*********

****** Enhanced Rationality *******

(1B) ...magnication of flow

(2A) ...Inhibition of growth

(2B) ...magnification of growth

(Page 131)

******** Perversion **********

*******************************************************************

Caveat emptor.

W.C. Barwell

Gerry Armstrong

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On 22 Jul 2004 15:50:04 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
(Spacetraveler) wrote:

>The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
>of doing. Id est telling fairytales.

Exactly?

Hey Spacetroller, this statement by you is a failure to
D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T-I-A-T-E.

And it's a lie. I don't accuse L. Ron Hubbard of telling fairy tales.
I accuse him of calling fairy tales "Science," charging people tons of
time and money to audit his fairy tales and live by his fairy tales,
and hating, beastifiying and obliterating all those sane people who
have the courage to call his fairy tales fairy tales.

I may tell fairy tales, because that is a worthy activity. I do not,
however, and unlike Hubbard and Scientologists, call fairy tales
science, nor do I charge anyone to audit my fairy tales, nor do I
hate, beastify and obliterate people who call my fairy tales what they
are.

>But when someone actually knows
>about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
>challenging your claims you avoid responding.

Now you're lying. You can show no instance in all of the thousands of
posts I've made to Usenet, or in all of the documents I've webbed,
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/index.html
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
or in any other actions I've taken, that supports this lie you've
made. You have made the factual assertion, and it is your
responsibility to support it with evidence.

I have in fact not responded to you specifically, when I have not
responded, because of your dishonesty, and your pretended stupidity
"supporting" your dishonesty. Now I am responding to point that fact
out. You can provide no evidence whatsoever that my reason for not
responding to you when I have not responded is not because of your
dishonesty, and your pretended stupidity "supporting" your dishonesty.

> A couple of times you
>even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such.

Again you lie. Why is that? What havingness is so important that you
have to lie to attain gettingness. Where is that nowhere you claim I
jumped out of? You can't. It's nowhere.

And such what?

> Why is that Gerry?

What? Why did that which didn't happen not happen? Because that's the
way God made the universe. It's a very loving truth for which we
should all be eternally grateful. What didn't happen will have never
happened until the end of time.

>
>Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
>factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?

I am actually fairly thrilled about getting factual with you. That's a
fact.

Some of my experience with Rice are detailed below.

>
>Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
>conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."

Yes, I see where you've said that. Good on the TR-3. Here's my
response, also posted elsewhere:

The basis was what you implied in your statement to which I was
responding. You implied with your assertion about an "unfinished
communication" that you were seeking what in Scientology is known as a
"communication cycle" with me. So, e.g. I would originate a
communication to you, you would receive it, originate an answer or
acknowledgement back to me, and thus end the cycle. A finished
communication.

Such a comm cycle, that finishes communications, would require on your
part duplication and understanding.

Instead, you pretended non-duplication and non-understanding. There
isn't any big deal about that, because it is the way Scientologists
and their ops have communicated to and about me me for more than two
decades. You implied that unlike all other Scientologists you were
going to be different, that you were going to duplicate and
understand, and thus finish communications. And I gave you the benefit
of the doubt and responded that I have hoped a long time to have a

conversation with a Scientologist on this basis.

Here's an example from the communication cycle you're pestering me to
finish:

[Quote]

> I'd like you to quote ALL of Hubbard's lies. That would be very useful
> in this discussion of honesty relating to Scientology.

In my opinion it is dishonest to quote the 1967 fair game issue & the
21 Oct 1968 issue, but not the 21 July 1968 issue, nor the the 6 Oct
1970 issue, sorry. At least in writing as these issues lay out, the
practice of fair gaiming was cancelled. I said at least IN WRITING.
May be as you say they continued with it any way, but this is a
different matter. So treat them differently. Tell about both these
sides. If you don't mention them and people will find out about them
later on (and I have been throwing these issues in peoples faces
lately), they will start being critcal about what you have to say
elsewhere.

[End Quote]

What you've done here is a diversion tactic. You demonstrably did not
want or provide actual communication cycles, so it makes little sense
to waste much time trying to give you what you don't want.

>
>Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.

I understand, e.g., the "Suppressive Person" doctrine. See my
understanding here:
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/

Now it's your turn to show us that you really understand this very
basic Scientology concept.

>
>I challenge you to defy me!

Okay. I defy you.

> I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
>that.

Since I defy you, openly and defiantly, the "reason" that you claim to
have cannot but be unreason. So what is this unreason you've been
holding onto so rigidly?

Gerry Armstrong

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On 22 Jul 2004 22:01:42 -0700, fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:

>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Is Gerry Armstrong proving that he is a Suppressive Person
>who cannot complete a cycle of action including communication
>cycles? - Faxhor
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Once a top poster, it's really hard to kick the bad habit, isn't it?
Scientology does not work.

Here's what everybody should know about the Scientology cult's
"Suppressive Person" doctrine:
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/

>
>spacetra...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler) wrote in message news:<9f53d1e2.04072...@posting.google.com>...
>> The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
>> of doing. Id est telling fairytales. But when someone actually knows
>> about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
>> challenging your claims you avoid responding. A couple of times you
>> even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such. Why
>> is that Gerry?
>>
>> Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
>> factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?
>>
>> Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
>> conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
>>
>> Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.
>>
>> I challenge you to defy me! I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
>> that.
>>
>> http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
>>
>> Spacetraveler

Still_lying_about_Marty

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Jul 23, 2004, 4:46:33 PM7/23/04

Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<gfnvf01f9j9ukg9b0...@4ax.com>...

> Webbed with photographic evidence at:
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/armstrong-decl-2004-07-22.html

>
> Declaration of Gerry Armstrong Re: Miracle Sighting
>
> I, Gerry Armstrong, declare:
>
> 1. I am over the age of eighteen and could competently testify about
> the facts herein if called upon to do so.
>
> 2. Sometime during or about the weekend of July 16-18, 2004 my
> sweetheart Caroline Letkeman roasted some brown rice in one of our
> frying pans on our electric range in our apartment at #1-45950
> Alexander Avenue, in Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada. I have also
> roasted rice in this manner so am familiar with the procedure that we
> both use.

snip

>
> 4. Ms. Letkeman has told me that during her roasting of the rice on
> the occasion referred to above she did not observe the subject pan at
> all times, and that it was during one of the times when she was not
> observing the pan that the first miracle occurred that is described

> hereinafter. I have no reason to doubt Ms. Letkeman?s memory of this

Damn. Now that's really amazing...

Just the other day, I had a painful bout of constipation requiring the
use of of Fleet's enemas. Soon after experiencing an excruciating
bowel movement, I was horrified to find the face of Gerry Armstrong in
one of the grotesque-looking turds.

If it were not for the foul smell of the turd, I would not have been
convinced that this truly was a miracle.

Spacetraveler

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Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<kpl2g053qlg9hd18o...@4ax.com>...

> On 22 Jul 2004 15:50:04 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
> >The irony! You are doing exactly that you are accusing L. Ron Hubbard
> >of doing. Id est telling fairytales.
>
> Exactly?
>
> Hey Spacetroller, this statement by you is a failure to
> D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T-I-A-T-E.
>
> And it's a lie. I don't accuse L. Ron Hubbard of telling fairy tales.
> I accuse him of calling fairy tales "Science," charging people tons of
> time and money to audit his fairy tales and live by his fairy tales,
> and hating, beastifiying and obliterating all those sane people who
> have the courage to call his fairy tales fairy tales.
>
> I may tell fairy tales, because that is a worthy activity. I do not,
> however, and unlike Hubbard and Scientologists, call fairy tales
> science, nor do I charge anyone to audit my fairy tales, nor do I
> hate, beastify and obliterate people who call my fairy tales what they
> are.

You like to use the word 'lie', why is that? Why getting emotional
about that?

The outcome of your actions are the same. You use your fairy tales as
you tell us for discrediting purposes.

> >But when someone actually knows
> >about some things and confronts you with inside knowledge and is
> >challenging your claims you avoid responding.
>
> Now you're lying. You can show no instance in all of the thousands of
> posts I've made to Usenet, or in all of the documents I've webbed,
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/index.html
> http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
> or in any other actions I've taken, that supports this lie you've
> made. You have made the factual assertion, and it is your
> responsibility to support it with evidence.

Again 'lying'. You have proclaimed this earlier and still I have
gotten NO RESPONSE to
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com

> I have in fact not responded to you specifically, when I have not
> responded, because of your dishonesty,

Which claim you completely fail to back up! Noted for the record!

> and your pretended stupidity
> "supporting" your dishonesty. Now I am responding to point that fact
> out. You can provide no evidence whatsoever that my reason for not
> responding to you when I have not responded is not because of your
> dishonesty, and your pretended stupidity "supporting" your dishonesty.

You are repeating things here. Still there is NO RESPONSE to
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com

And you call L. Ron Hubbard paranoid?

> > A couple of times you
> >even jumped on me out of nowhere, giving nasty remarks and such.
>
> Again you lie. Why is that? What havingness is so important that you
> have to lie to attain gettingness. Where is that nowhere you claim I
> jumped out of? You can't. It's nowhere.

In a communication to Barwell you jumped on me proclaiming that I was
'dishonest'. And outed generalistions that all Scientologists were
lying and had fairgamed you and so on. I asked you to clarify
yourself, it is noted for the record that you NEVER did that!

Are you playing games here?

> >Are you following in the footsteps of Fredric Rice, too afraid to get
> >factual about things? Or did he follow in your footsteps?
>
> I am actually fairly thrilled about getting factual with you. That's a
> fact.

Excellent! So dare to respond:
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com

And not with generalities, but with exactness.

(I can't help it became that long though, but that was your doing)

> >Did you not write the words: "I have hoped a long time to have a
> >conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
>
> Yes, I see where you've said that. Good on the TR-3. Here's my
> response, also posted elsewhere:
>
> The basis was what you implied in your statement to which I was
> responding. You implied with your assertion about an "unfinished
> communication" that you were seeking what in Scientology is known as a
> "communication cycle" with me. So, e.g. I would originate a
> communication to you, you would receive it, originate an answer or
> acknowledgement back to me, and thus end the cycle. A finished
> communication.
>
> Such a comm cycle, that finishes communications, would require on your
> part duplication and understanding.
>
> Instead, you pretended non-duplication and non-understanding. There
> isn't any big deal about that, because it is the way Scientologists
> and their ops have communicated to and about me me for more than two
> decades. You implied that unlike all other Scientologists you were
> going to be different, that you were going to duplicate and
> understand, and thus finish communications. And I gave you the benefit
> of the doubt and responded that I have hoped a long time to have a
> conversation with a Scientologist on this basis.

You started your response with D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T-I-A-T-E. So live up
to that yourself! I gave you exact responses to a communication you as
you proclaimed loved to have for years.

Diversion tactics noted.

>
> Here's an example from the communication cycle you're pestering me to
> finish:
>
> [Quote]
>
> > I'd like you to quote ALL of Hubbard's lies. That would be very useful
> > in this discussion of honesty relating to Scientology.
>
> In my opinion it is dishonest to quote the 1967 fair game issue & the
> 21 Oct 1968 issue, but not the 21 July 1968 issue, nor the the 6 Oct
> 1970 issue, sorry. At least in writing as these issues lay out, the
> practice of fair gaiming was cancelled. I said at least IN WRITING.
> May be as you say they continued with it any way, but this is a
> different matter. So treat them differently. Tell about both these
> sides. If you don't mention them and people will find out about them
> later on (and I have been throwing these issues in peoples faces
> lately), they will start being critcal about what you have to say
> elsewhere.
>
> [End Quote]
>
> What you've done here is a diversion tactic. You demonstrably did not
> want or provide actual communication cycles, so it makes little sense
> to waste much time trying to give you what you don't want.

AVOIDANCE noted! My communication is very, very clear. And you FAIL
MISERABLY to respond to it in ány proper way. You avoid the 21 July
1968 issue, that my dear Gerry, is DISHONEST!

People who are truly honest can correct themselves, they can admit
they have been wrong about things. They don't want to harm people.
Your actions and behaviour will tell people what you are.
So far I get avoidance. I made various very solid responses to you
outings, so I am consulting your understanding of Scientology
procedures exactly as they were written.

> >Show us that you have really understood scientology procedures.
>
> I understand, e.g., the "Suppressive Person" doctrine. See my
> understanding here:
> http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
>
> Now it's your turn to show us that you really understand this very
> basic Scientology concept.
>
> >
> >I challenge you to defy me!
>
> Okay. I defy you.
>
> > I have reason to doubt if you dare doing
> >that.
>
> Since I defy you, openly and defiantly, the "reason" that you claim to
> have cannot but be unreason. So what is this unreason you've been
> holding onto so rigidly?

I was first remember! Finish you communication with me or all will
know that you run!

http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com

I know what you are attempting to do Gerry, I will be pestering (your
word) you for a while. I am not sure that you yourself understand that
though.

Dare to respond honestly and exact. I defy you! People are not that
stupid you may think them to be.

Spacetraveler

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Jul 24, 2004, 6:41:05 AM7/24/04

wbarwell <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<41013491$0$17093$811e...@news.mylinuxisp.com>...

The introduction of control over scientific discoveries themselves.
First we had the Catholic Church controlling this, we have had
Copernicus, Galilei and so on. The Church was losing territory and so
another way of controlling had to be constructed. The principle of
science is to question any and all. What did Einstein actually do, how
was he able to come to his discoveries. Set systems will limit the
probablility to discover new things, it will limit them.

>
> Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
> us that you are a scientific illiterate.

Your opinion attempting to discredit me, you failed. I urged you to
regard some things, give other options. That instead should be
regarded as broadening one's understanding about something. You don't
want that, you want to set your boundaries. And that William is very,
very, unscientific. Science is supposed to broaden your view. This
tells us that you have seriously misunderstood the essence of science
itself.

>
> Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
> uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
> wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.
>
> See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
> struggling with.

He is not struggling with it. He made some very valid points. You have
not understood the purpose of the book Dianetics. I think he (she)
actually did.
It suffices to apply some of the information. One has to take the book
for what it is.

Spacetraveler

<snip>

Spacetraveler

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Jul 24, 2004, 6:43:39 AM7/24/04

Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<gkq2g0pv2ujutigq0...@4ax.com>...

> On 22 Jul 2004 22:01:42 -0700, fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:
>
> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >Is Gerry Armstrong proving that he is a Suppressive Person
> >who cannot complete a cycle of action including communication
> >cycles? - Faxhor
> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Once a top poster, it's really hard to kick the bad habit, isn't it?
> Scientology does not work.

If you don't apply it, naturally it will not work.

Spacetraveler

wbarwell

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Jul 24, 2004, 1:29:31 PM7/24/04

Spacetraveler wrote:

> wbarwell <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message

> news:<41013491$0$17093$811e...@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
>> Spacetraveler wrote:
>>

>> >> We seem to have some hung comms about science....
>> >
>> > Not as far as I know. I urged you to find out who actually thought up
>> > that peer review tactic, and getting it published in some special
>> > magazine in order to get something widely accepted even if it could be
>> > rubbish.
>>
>> Its the way science has been done since organizations such as the
>> Royal Society were set up many moons ago in 1660, many other
>> societies quickly followed suit.
>>
>> This has been an extremely successful model that has
>> been working well for 3 1/2 centuries. Worldwide, large numbers
>> of colleges and Universities have been part and parcel of
>> science and are often involved in publishing journals.
>
> The introduction of control over scientific discoveries themselves.
> First we had the Catholic Church controlling this, we have had
> Copernicus, Galilei and so on. The Church was losing territory and so
> another way of controlling had to be constructed. The principle of
> science is to question any and all. What did Einstein actually do, how
> was he able to come to his discoveries. Set systems will limit the
> probablility to discover new things, it will limit them.

Which has anything to do with what? The church failed to stamp out
the idea of a round earth and failed to stamp out the idea of
a heliocentric solar system. Galileo's greater work though, was
physics. He created science as we know it. How did Einstein do it?
Do you know? H e set out to explain the weird happenings discovered
in the Michaelson-Morely experiments to accurately measure the speed of
light.

Limits? Discovery limits us? Well, yes if that limits us from running off
at the mouth, making some speculations just wrong.

"Set systems", like Hubbo's bloviations, limit people's understandings
of reality and set them off on wild goose chases.

And the big promises, as seen in Dianetics, I laid them out in my
little mini-FAQ, don't happen as promised. It isn't science. Its
a con. The cult still peddles these cons. Luckily for Scientology, nobody
really reads Dianetics. And reflects on these untruths, obvious as they
are.

The "set system" of Hubbard is insane. Anybody who has read
Hubbard's Sex and Pain HCOPL knows Hubbard was not sane, and
not anywhere near as smart he thought.

I read the "set system" of "The History of Man" and laugh and
laugh and laugh.
Clam engrams and Fac One. Tain't science, Space Traveler,
tain't science.

>> Bascially, that you seem utterly unaware of any of this shows
>> us that you are a scientific illiterate.
>
> Your opinion attempting to discredit me, you failed.

Have I? Shall we take a round of votes here as to whether
you have adequately shown Hubbard's codswallop is science?
That Doianetics claims are true? That you know anything at
all about science? That Hubbard knew dirt all about science?

Well, it looks like you have Faxhor's vote. Everybody else is probably
rolling on the ground.

Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Does your jaw hurt?

And where ARE those clears with perfect memories?
Do we just ignore the fact that this book makes big claims,
claims its science, and then can't show us a single example
of its many claims?

I urged you to
> regard some things, give other options. That instead should be
> regarded as broadening one's understanding about something.

Such as regarding Dianetics unproven claims as
irrelevant? Or Hubbard's lies, such as being a nuclear
physicists as irrelevant? As regarding Hubbard's space
cooty madness, implant stations under the Pyranees
mountains, gorilla goals, Xenu space opera tall tales and
the Sex and Pain HCOPL and the big lies of Dianetics as
science?

Not a chance.

You don't
> want that, you want to set your boundaries. And that William is very,
> very, unscientific.

Buying Hubbar's blazing ignorant bullshit is scientific?
can you hear the rude laughter out there in the peanut
gallery?

Hubbard made claims. We can see them in Dianetics.
They are all false. That is not science.
That is ignorant pseudoscience, a con, bullshit,
wrongheaded failure, quackery, and your feeble arguments
are useless here.

Science is supposed to broaden your view. This
> tells us that you have seriously misunderstood the essence of science
> itself.

You are about as far from a broad view as possible.
Hubbard's feebleminded bullshit is not broadminded.
Its false to its core.

And that is the issue.

>> Face facts, looking at Hubbards actual claims, they are
>> uniformly, whacky. Unsuppoprted by facts, usually obviously
>> wrong and usually making big claims that are obviously false.
>>
>> See my little mini-FAQ of Dianetics Faxhor is currently
>> struggling with.
>
> He is not struggling with it. He made some very valid points.

The peanut gallery erupts in derisive laughter.

Faxhor hasn't made any valid points at all.
neither have you.

You have
> not understood the purpose of the book Dianetics. I think he (she)
> actually did.

What is to understand?
Hubbard makes claims.
That engrams exist.
That he knows how to remove them.
That a clear can easily be made in about 100
hours, and that clears have many amaizing abilities.

No clears are made, and nobody who is supposed
to be a clear, after 50 years and 50,000 supposed
clears, has any of the amazing abilities of Hubbard's
frothy propagandistic claims.

No, Hubbard's purposes are extremely obvious and
anybody who reads even a little of that stupid book
knows it. He tells us his purpose over and over and over.

To create clears with super-duper powers far beyond
miserable, engram ridden normals.
Either you haven't read this book and are plain ignorant of all
of this, or you are lying about all of this in a lame effort to save
Hubbo's less that salvagable reputation.
I suspect the latter.

> It suffices to apply some of the information. One has to take the book
> for what it is.

No, Faxhor flails at random.

All one has to do is scan through Hubbard, and its obvious
it ain't science, and Hubbard claims it is.

And not one of his big promises works as advertised.

Barbara Schwarz

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Jul 25, 2004, 5:17:05 PM7/25/04

Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in message news:<19b9f902.04072...@posting.google.com>...

Foregoing is another forgery.

Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID
Still_lying_about_Marty.

Those postings are forgeries of criminal, Aids infected, gay lunatic
Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical Dave Touretzky defender. Scarff
is nobody on his own and also stole the identity of Mark Rathbun Marty
Rathbun (mrat...@scientology.org). I believe there is something like
the gay Mafia, and Scarff belongs it it. He constantly posts my home
address on the net in hope I come to harm or that I am being murdered
by those that find the address, if he can't make himself to my town to
kill me. Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often using my
name as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults me,
threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to intimidate
me, libels, insults and lies about me. He also posts with identity
"Dicktop Stud" and "Papa Boner". He furthermore lied that he spoke to
a roomate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never was in
that hospital, but he probably escaped from one. It is also striking
that especially the worst and most lawless guys, as Scarff, promote
junk science psychiatry.

Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to
Scarff applaudes Scarff's lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo
member wrote me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable
behavior and that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of
their active members, and that one of their active members murdered
others under the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the
gay men make sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as
their "Pastor" Terry Brewer, don't see what's wrong with that.

And below is a list of other anti-religious extremists, or psychiatric
trolls, how I call them.

----------------------------------------------

Faxhor

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Jul 28, 2004, 1:55:52 AM7/28/04

Gerry Armstrong: Once a top poster, it's really hard to kick the bad

habit, isn't it? Scientology does not work.

The following was just now posted by Faxhor:
>Top posting is a habit? Now is it really that hard to kick? Anyway,
>Top posting has nothing to do with Scientology.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's assets
in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal Investigation
Division.

When the Church discovered this, its attorneys obtained permission
from a Los Angeles police officer to conduct an investigation into
Armstrong's plans. The investigation caught Armstrong on videotape
stating that he intended to forge and then plant incriminating
documents on Church premises, to be discovered in a subsequent raid.
When challenged on how he would obtain proof of the allegations he
intended to make, he responded that: "We don't have to prove a goddam
thing. We don't have to prove shit. We just have to allege it."

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html

Faxhor

Curt West

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Jul 28, 2004, 2:04:15 AM7/28/04

"Faxhor" <fax...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c901bee5.04072...@posting.google.com...

All this from little Faxwhore. Failed Scientologist.

>
>
>
> Faxhor

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ladayla

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Jul 28, 2004, 1:18:48 PM7/28/04

In article <c901bee5.04072...@posting.google.com>, Faxhor says...

I am interested in where you got this data. Are you basing it on a photo of
Gerry that was taken by a scn PI of Gerry in a park talking with someone? Who or
what are you relying on for these claims?

la
>
>
>
>Faxhor

Gerry Armstrong

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Jul 28, 2004, 2:22:36 PM7/28/04

On 28 Jul 2004 10:18:48 -0700, ladayla <ladayla...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

David Miscavige. LFBD F/N

Miscavige is responsible for every nasty piece of black propaganda
that RTC, OSA, the cult lawyers, PIs, ops and dupes pump out. Nothing
decent gets by the nanodictator. Just lies, perversions, suppression
and evil are permitted by his lowness.

The black PR is a product of Miscavige's intellect and morality. Both
are stunted and diseased.

Faxhor is Miscavige, and Miscavige is Faxhor.

Miscavige is religiousfreedomwatch and religiousfreedomwatch is
Miscavige.

Miscavige ist schwarz und Schwarzes ist Miscavige.

>
>la
>>
>>
>>
>>Faxhor

Faxhor

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Jul 28, 2004, 4:36:12 PM7/28/04

Gerry Armstrong: Once a top poster, it's really hard to kick the bad
habit, isn't it? Scientology does not work.

"Faxhor" <fax...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c901bee5.04072...@posting.google.com...

>Top posting is a habit? Now is it really that hard to kick? Anyway,
>Top posting has nothing to do with Scientology.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's assets
> in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal Investigation
> Division.
>
> When the Church discovered this, its attorneys obtained permission
> from a Los Angeles police officer to conduct an investigation into
> Armstrong's plans. The investigation caught Armstrong on videotape
> stating that he intended to forge and then plant incriminating
> documents on Church premises, to be discovered in a subsequent raid.
> When challenged on how he would obtain proof of the allegations he
> intended to make, he responded that: "We don't have to prove a goddam
> thing. We don't have to prove shit. We just have to allege it."
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

"Curt West" taunted...

Give it up Curt West.

"I thought I had you killfiled. Back in the bin bucket, loon."
- Curt West

Curt either lied about the "killfile" or he is incompetent.
Is this the type of competence we can expect someone who supports
bomb instructions.

Faxhor

Curt West

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Jul 28, 2004, 4:41:06 PM7/28/04

"Faxhor" <fax...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:c901bee5.0407...@posting.google.com...

I took you out of my bozo bucket because of your entertainment value.

>
>
> Faxhor

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Jul 28, 2004, 6:30:02 PM7/28/04

Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<b0rfg0tr8bg4168dp...@4ax.com>...

We seem to agree here upon something.

> Faxhor is Miscavige, and Miscavige is Faxhor.

I disagree here. Faxhor can evidently think for him/herself. Miscavige
is simply a adummy, like in decoy.

This is something you want people to believe.

> Miscavige is religiousfreedomwatch and religiousfreedomwatch is
> Miscavige.

Probably correct, at least to some degree.

> Miscavige ist schwarz und Schwarzes ist Miscavige.

I dont find that very likely either.

Spacetraveler

ladayla

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Jul 29, 2004, 1:33:08 AM7/29/04

In article <9f53d1e2.04072...@posting.google.com>, Spacetraveler
says...

So...where did you get the info that you posted about Gerry?

Spacetraveler

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Jul 31, 2004, 8:44:04 AM7/31/04

wbarwell <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<4102aa12$0$17096$811e...@news.mylinuxisp.com>...

No, Einstein did it by reasoning independently. You however and most
others think in set patterns, they do not go beyond them. That is
limitation.

>
> Limits? Discovery limits us?

You are not reading and duplicating.

Spacetraveler

Faxhor

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Aug 1, 2004, 10:00:24 AM8/1/04

ladayla <ladayla...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<ce8n5...@drn.newsguy.com>...

> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >
> >In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's assets
> >in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal Investigation
> >Division.

> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html

> I am interested in where you got this data. Are you basing it on

>snip<
> la

Anyone can see where I got this data as I included a link to the
reference.

Faxhor

Rodi

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Aug 1, 2004, 4:56:09 PM8/1/04

fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote in message news:<c901bee5.04080...@posting.google.com>...

..................................................................

Well well, and......................well
How many amount of people ataking the critics of the Cave of
Scientology!

You do not have no one single name or face, you do not have what you
needs for be here, and posting your trash!

The Cave of Scientology,Please for further information about THE CAVE
OF SCIENTOLOGY visit:

THE FILES OF RODI
SCIENTOLOGY THE FRAUD EXPOSED
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/
Will be Justice!
Rodi.

Ball of Fluff

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Aug 1, 2004, 4:58:10 PM8/1/04

"Rodi" <rod...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ed87747.04080...@posting.google.com...

>
> Well well, and......................well
> How many amount of people ataking the critics of the Cave of
> Scientology!
>
> You do not have no one single name or face, you do not have what you
> needs for be here, and posting your trash!
>
>
> The Cave of Scientology,Please for further information about THE CAVE
> OF SCIENTOLOGY visit:
>
> THE FILES OF RODI
> SCIENTOLOGY THE FRAUD EXPOSED
> http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/
> Will be Justice!
> Rodi.

Try writing something new instead of just cutting and pasting over and over
again.

Steve Whitlatch

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Aug 2, 2004, 8:09:54 PM8/2/04

In article <c901bee5.04080...@posting.google.com>,
fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) writes:

>> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> >
>> >In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's assets
>> >in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal Investigation
>> >Division.
>
>> >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

That is why we love Gerry Armstrong so much. He is a hero.
scienos are nothing more than Gerry's playthings. What weaklings
the scienos are.

Faxhor

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Aug 2, 2004, 8:40:51 PM8/2/04

"Ball of Fluff" <None> wrote in message news:<410d4b1d$1...@news2.lightlink.com>...

> "Rodi" <rod...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1ed87747.04080...@posting.google.com...
> > Well well, and......................well
> > How many amount of people ataking the critics of the Cave of
> > Scientology!
> >
> > You do not have no one single name or face, you do not have what you
> > needs for be here, and posting your trash!

> Try writing something new instead of just cutting and pasting over and over
> again.
>
> C

Rodi doesn't know a thing about what he is fighting for,
he just wants his face and name to be out there. If his
messiah were to return, where would Rodi hide?

Faxhor

Rodi

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Aug 4, 2004, 12:29:21 AM8/4/04

fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote in message news:<c901bee5.04080...@posting.google.com>...

............................

I wants to say something about The Cave of Scientology,

Please for further information about

THE FILES OF RODI

SCIENTOLOGY THE FRAUD EXPOSED
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

P/S: Scientology wants me out, and really out, but they can not leave
me,
so this is a great problem for Scientology, Mike Rinder, David
Miscavige and for you, slave for a lie, a fraud and for U$A 50, per
week.
Have a nice day!
I AM WAITIN FOR JESUS CHRIST, AND HE IS COMEING SO SOON, DO NOT WORRY!
RODI

Gerry Armstrong

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Aug 5, 2004, 10:53:47 AM8/5/04

These lies all come from the dirty little mind of David Miscavige.
LFBD F/N

Faxhor

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Aug 6, 2004, 6:30:17 AM8/6/04

"These lies all come . . . "
- Gerry Armstrong

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Why does Gerry always complain about how he is being treated
by the Church of Scientology when he once offered himself as
political prisoner and sacrificial executionee to Saddam Hussein.

Faxhor

wbarwell

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Aug 6, 2004, 5:41:27 AM8/6/04

Faxhor wrote:

> "These lies all come . . . "

And still you will not show me any errors in
my Dianetics FAQ, despite your sneering claims.

Repeatedly, you run from that challenge.

Lies, all lies, all of Dianetics.
Can you not help Elron out here?
Are you going to let me whip his sorry ass repeatedly
with no attempt to prove anything he asid was
right?****************************************************************************
Dianetics Mini-FAQ
William C. Barwell October 6, 1997
****************************************************************************

L. Ron Hubbard's book Dianetics makes quite a few unwarranted claims as to
just what Dianetics can accomplish. This mini- FAQ is to examine just what
Dianetics claims for those who do not want to bother to obtain and read this
miserable book to find exactly out what Hubbard claimed.

Dianetics was published in 1950, simultaneously as a book and in the Science
Fiction magazine, Astounding Science Fiction.

I will be examining a 1999 paperback edition.
(I updated this July 22, 2004)

Hubbard's main claims can be found in the chapters, 'The Scope of
Dianetics'
(book one, chapter one), 'The Clear' (book one chapter one), 'Psychosomatic
Illnesses' (book two chapter five) and 'Release or Clear', (book three
chapter
two). I am not examining all of the claims of Dianetics, but more
specifically
what claims a Dianetics "clear" can achieve.

What is a clear?

"A Clear (noun) is an individual who has a result of Dianetic therapy, has
neither active nor potential psychosomatic illnesses or abberations."
(Page 221)

*****

"The Clear is an unaberrated person.

"The Clear has no engrams which can be stimulated to throw out the
correctness
of computation by entering hidden or false data into it. No aberration."
(page 147)

******

The engram is the single and sole source of aberration and psychosomatic
illnesses. (Page 90)

********

"The purpose of therapy and its sole target is the removal of the content
of the
reactive engram bank. In a release, the majority of emotional stress is
deleted
from this bank. In a Clear, the entire content is removed." (Page 227)

*********

Yes, your 'engram bank' contains the engrams that cause abberations and
illnesses. The goal of Dianetics is to audit out your engrams, empty the
engram
bank for good, and become clear.

"Clear is the goal Dianetics therapy, a goal which some patience and a
little
study will bring about". (Page 577)

***** Your life as a Clear ******

So you extend "some practice and a little study" and you are finally
declared
a Clear by a beaming Dianetics auditor. How does he know?

"But a Clear is a Clear and when you see it you will know it with no further
mistake." (Page 401)

"How can you tell a Clear? How does man measure the optimum to man? Can he
adjust to his enviroment smoothly? And far more important, can he adjust the
enviroment to him? Sixty days and six months after a Clear has been
effected,
the auditor should make a search for any neglected material. He should
question
the Clear carefully as to the events of the past interval. In such a way he
can
learn of any worries, concerns, or illnesses which may have taken place and
attempt to trace these to engrams. if he cannot then find engrams, the
Clear is
definitely and without question, cleared. And he will stay that way."
(Page 401)

Whew! Finally, we are sure we are Clear! We did it! Checked out and by
golly,
there is no mistake. No more engrams.

Now for the miracles! What is behind door number three, Ron!?

***** Your new IQ *******

Yes, you always wanted to be smart! That's why you bought the book, right?
Let's see what Ron said about Clears and IQs.

"Is it any wonder, that when these demons (engram caused aberrations) are
deleted, IQ soars, as it can be observed to do in a Clear? Add the demon
circuits to the shut down aspect of restimulation and the truth can be seen
in the observation that people run on about one-twentieth of their mental
power." (page 119)

"A Clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything which ever
happened to
him, or anything he ever studied. He does mental computations, such as
those in
chess, for example, which a normal would do in half an hour, in ten or
fifteen
seconds." (Page 222)

"He can do a swift study of anything within his intellectual capacity,
which is
inherent and the study would be the equivalent to him of a year or two when
he
was 'normal'. His vigor, persistance, and tenacity to life are very much
higher
than anyone has thought possible." (Page 222)

"IQ, unless it falls down into the feebleminded level, is no great factor.
And
even then the IQ of any patient goes up like a skyrocket with clearing and
rises
all the while during the work." (Page 253)

****** A Perfect memory ******

"A Clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything that ever
happened to
him, or anything he ever studied." (Page 222)

****** Enhanced Rationality *******

"Release of such engrams means a restoration of rationality to individual
far
above the current norm and a stability and well-being greater than man
thought
man possessed. These engrams have been confirmed by taking data from a
child,
from the mother, and the father, and all data checked. So we are dealing
here
with scientific facts which, no matter how startling, are nonetheless true."

****** Live longer than 'normals' ******

"What the lifespan of a Clear is cannot be answered now; ask in a hundred
years." (Page 401)

"The deletion of engrams from the reactive bank uniformly brought about a
condition where they could recieve benefit from the hormones, but where such
artifical administration was not necessary, save in cases of extreme age.
What
this means to gerontology (the study of longevity in life) cannot at this
time
be estimated, but it can be predicted with confidence that the deletion of
engrams from the reactive bank has a marked effect on the extension of life.
A hundred years from now, this data will be available, but no Clears have
lived that long as yet." (Page 128)

******* No more accidents! ********

"Treatment for accidental injury, surgery for various things such as malform
-ation inherent in the body on a genetic basis, and orthopedics, which can
properly be classed under both, remain properly outside of the field of
Dianetics, although it can be remarked in passing that almost all accidents
are to be traced to dramatization of engrams and that Clears rarely have
accidents." (Page 122)

******* No More Psychosmatic Illnesses ********

"About 70% of the physicians current roster of diseases fall into the
category
of psychosomatic illnesses." (Page 120)

How this can come about can be shown by an analogic explanation such as a
schematic diagram, but we are not so much interested in structure at this
stage of the science of the mind - because by knowing function alone we can
cure aberrations and psychosomatic illnesses everytime, predict new ills
and
aberrations and generally work "miracles" as such actions were once called
before man knew anything about the mind." (page 127)

********* Clears do not get colds *************

"Clears do not get colds." (page 123)

********** No Migraine Headeaches ************

"Migraine headaches are psychosomatic, and with the others, are uniformly
cured by Dianetic therapy. (And the word *cured* is used in the fullest
sense.)" (Page 123)

********** Numerous ills cured **********

"Arthritis, dermititis, allergies, asthma, some coronary difficulties, eye
trouble, bursitis, ulcers, sinusitis, ect., form a small section of the
psychosomatic catalgue. Bizarre aches and pains in various parts of the body
are generally psychosomatic."
(Page 123)

********* Hubbard's classes of psychosomatic ills ***********
(All curable by Dianetics)

There are 5 classes of psychosomatic ills:

(1) Those ills resulting from mentally caused derangment in physical fluid
flow, which class subdivides into:

(1a) ...Inhibition of fluid flow

(1B) ...magnication of flow

(2) Those illnesses resulting from mental derangement of physical growth,
which class subdivides into:

(2A) ...Inhibition of growth

(2B) ...magnification of growth

(3) Those ills resulting from a predisposition to disease resulting from a
chronic psychsomatic pain in that area.

(4) Those ills resulting from the perpetuation of a disease on account of
chronic pain in the area;

(5) Those ills caused by he verbal command content of engrams.

(Page 131)

"In Class 1A fall such ordinary things as constipation and arthritis."
(Page 131)

"..the scientific fact is that when the engram is picked up, that arthritis
vanishes and does not return and this is x-ray plate evidence." (Page 132)

"Class 1B of psychosomatic ills, magnification of fluid flow, contains such
things as high blood pressure, diarrhea, sinusitis, priapism,.. or any other
physical condition resulting from a superabundance of a fluid."

"Class 2A can cause such things as a withered arm, a foreshortened nose,
undeveloped genital organs, or any other underdevelopment of a gland having
to do with size, (which cross classes this with 1A, hairlessness ... and in
short, reduction in size of any part of the body."

"Class 2B causes such things as oversized hands, a lengthened nose,
oversized
ears, enlarged organs and other common physical malformations. (Cancer might
possibly come under this heading as overhealing.)"

"Class 3 would include tuberculosis (some cases), liver trouble, kidney
trouble,
rashes, common colds ect..."

"Class 4 Tuberculosis would be included here. Conjunctivitis, all running
sore, and any condition which refuses to heal, ect."

"Class 5 includes an enormously wide catalog of conditions, any one of which
may cross index to other classes, or which arises solely out of engrams
which
dictate the presence or necessity of an illness. "You always have colds",
"I
have cold feet", ect, announce a psychosomatic illness and the mechanisms
of
the body can furnish one. (Page 132-3)

"Any disease whatsoever may be precipitated by engrams." (Page 133)

********* Engrams make childhood diseases deadly **********

"Measles, for instance may just be measels, or can be measels in company
with
an engramic restimulation, in which it may be nearly or entirely fatal."
(Page 133)

"A check of many subjects on this matter of childhood illness being
predisposed
by, percipitated by, and perpetuated by engrams causes one to wonder how
violent the diseases themselves really are; they have never been observed
in a
cleared child... (Page 133)

********** Clears don't get ill **********

"But it remains that a Clear is not easily made ill. In an aberree illness
closely pursues mental depression (depression of the dynamic level). The
aberration of the mind and body by engrams leads, then, not only to
psychosomatic ills, but to actual pathology, which hitherto has been
considered more or less independent of the mental state." (Page 135)

"It is a scientific fact that no psychosomatic ill exists without an
aberration.And it is true that no aberration exists without a potential or
actual psychosomatic ill." (Page 135)

******** Perversion **********

"The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any
and
all forms of deviation in in dynamic two such as homosexuality, lesbianism,
sexual sadism ect., and all down the catalogue of Ellis and Kraft-Ebbing) is
actually quite ill physically. (Page 137)

"Hence the pervert containing hundreds and hundreds of vicious engrams has
little choice between being dead or being a pervert. But with an effective
science to handle this problem, a society that would continue to endure
perversion and all its sad and sordid effects doesn't deserve to survive."
(Page 138)

*******************************************************************

This is the list of the main claims for what a Clear can accomplish with
Dianetics auditing. Of course, none of it is true. Nobody gets Dianetics
Clear and then develops a perfect memory, corrected vision, grows hair on
a bald head, corrects that large nose, or never again gets a cold. Although
Hubbard continually claims to have proven all of this, he never bothered to
really show anything like evidence this any of this was so.

Caveat emptor.

W.C. Barwell

mgo...@chello.nl

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"On 6 Aug 2004 03:30:17 -0700, fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote in
<c901bee5.04080...@posting.google.com>:

When I see your name I always think of Faux Whore.

Silly. huh?

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