Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am
gerry armstrong
I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
I am honored to share that cult black PR positioning with Bob.
This post from cult agent briansmbaker should clear things up for
agent Street. The rot of Scientology black PR is inexcusable.
Gerry
Subject: Re: Questions for Ron's Amigo, week #15 and still no
answers
From: brians...@hotmail.com
Date: 1998/04/24
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In article <353a3c5d....@news.dowco.com>#1/1,
arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
>
> On 16 Apr 1998 06:19:38 GMT, wonde...@aol.com (WONDERFULR) wrote:
> >
> >That this is ***EXACTLY*** what I am talking about. It would be also quite
> >easy to make a case that "the sun was shining each time an animal died -
> >THATis why they died".
snip
> You personally have probably never assaulted someone, tried to involve
> someone in a highway accident, sued someone to silence him, tried to
> have someone jailed by making false charges, stolen someone's
> manuscriupt and art, broken into government offices, locked up someone
> and denied the person medical attention until she dies. These tactics
> were not successful and they all backfired. But they are all real
> incidents, all done by your cult, and as you say, they have caused
> people to be even more determined in their opposition to your cult.
> And don't you "permit" all the bad things Scientology does by not
> speaking out against them when _you_, as opposed to critics, are in a
> position to do something directly about thes bad acts.
>
> >But as this is the ~kind~ of "statement" (animal tortures & killings) that
> >are ROUTINELY posted on ars with the challenge, "Prove it isn't true -
> >cause we think it is" - that I refuse to attempt to "handle" each lunatic
> >concept posted.
snip
> Gerry
Based on your "logic", it would be irresponsible not to compare you to
others who have violated the law or publicly supported positions that
the vast majority of the populace find insane. People like Tobin
Hinckley, Timothy McVeigh or the World Trade Center bombers. Of
course, many people are convinced you are as certifiable as those
nutcases and therefore the comparison is fair - until you prove it not
to be the case. But of course, that is going to require you dealing
with your fugitive status and jail time before anyone could give you
*any* credibility.
Andreas Heldal-Lund
On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
>
>I am honored to share that cult black PR positioning with Bob.
If that claim from Rinder resulted in anything it is me finding
new ways to fight this criminal cult! They really know how to
give me inspiration to fight them!
Best wishes, Andreas Heldal-Lund
Operation Clambake: www.xenu.net SP4 & Adm. TOXE CXI
_______________________________________________________________
"If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion
and ignorance which does harm." -- Marcus Aurelius
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gerry armstrong wrote in message <358f4759....@news.dowco.com>...
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
>
>I am honored to share that cult black PR positioning with Bob.
>
>agent Street. The rot of Scientology black PR is inexcusable.
>
>Gerry
Perhaps Rinder was talking about the *other* Timothy McVeigh -- the sailor
who was "outted" by idiots at AOL, after the navy used slimey social
engineering tactics to obtain personal information. The one who got a
(presumably large) settlement out of AOL, and a silver parachute from the
navy.
Hmm...
Slimey investigation
Stupidity at AOL
A large damage settlement
Major footbulleting
Yes, obviously that's the Timothy McVeigh that Mike meant. Quite a clever
analogy too! Of course, if he DID mean the Oklahoma bomber McVeigh then
he's just a cult loon attempting lame Dead Agent tactics--but we should be
nice, and assume otherwise.
/\<.
Clambots! Clambots!
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when OSA comes for you?
Clambots!
And what DID happen to JuStan, wgerty (and his pig) and the rest? Were they
shut down to devote computing resources to Team Scientology's massive
crypto-cracking effort?
Deana Holmes
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
I'd like to say publicly that the Dateline story about Bob Minton has
caused a lot of discussion among my relatives. They still think I'm
crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.
I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue. This
person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
Dateline. No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.
Deana
mir...@xmission.com
====================
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EldonB123
>>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike Rinder's
black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
Someone on the AOL clam board said that Rinder's ethics presence was obvious.
It sure was.
Keith Henson
Deana Holmes (mir...@newsguy.com) wrote:
: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry
: armstrong) wrote:
: >I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
: >Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
: I'd like to say publicly that the Dateline story about Bob Minton has
: caused a lot of discussion among my relatives. They still think I'm
: crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
: successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.
I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.
Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.
: I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
: relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue. This
: person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
: Dateline. No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
: going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.
There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
donating money during pickets.
Keith Henson
Lisa Chabot
gerry armstrong <arms...@dowco.com> wrote:
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
These sort of arguments--the one presented by DS--make me feel like
we've, well, been slimed. From "Ghostbusters". It's icky, annoying,
but not very dangerous.
Or for another analogy, it's like when you were a kid and picked up
a little lizard or a snake, and it panicked and crapped on your hand.
Intellectually stinky, but it washes off. Just don't eat it.
.
.
--
non-spam can be sent to lsc at this ISP
Me and my trenchant mouth. --Homer Simpson
WHIPPERSNAPPER
Now, THIS I find remarkable.
We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
Scientologist!
Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood. She feels she
must convert them! Some think she's crazy!
This is fascinating, and you just can't fail to see the parallels. I
wonder how many other cult-of-critics members have the same problems.
Henson, apparently. Anyone else? Practically all, I'll bet.
There's a Scn principle: What you resist you become -- if you lose.
In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>,
Keith Henson <hkhe...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Deana Holmes (mir...@newsguy.com) wrote:
>: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry
>: armstrong) wrote:
>
>: >I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>: >Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
>
>: I'd like to say publicly that the Dateline story about Bob Minton has
>: caused a lot of discussion among my relatives. They still think I'm
>: crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
>: successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.
>
>I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.
>
>Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.
Oh gee, Henson, we think well of ourselves, don't we?
Lemme see... your example is that of a malicious propagandist and a failed
litigant whose PR game (to justify harassment-via-copyright violation as
if it were a public service) backfired horrifically; a guy whose time is
apparently largely spent on the streets with a sign slamming a religious
sect or posting rumors and deprecations to the Internet.
I imagine, perhaps uncharitably, that what time you have left in the day
must be spent hiding money (how you earn any I haven't a clue), securing
assets (if you have any) against collection and drinking cheap beer with
like-minded buddies.
You stand for all to see as an archetypical example, most especially for
those seeking new careers; spraining your arm as you pat yourself on the
back.
It's sorta funny in a tragic way. You too, like Deana, are a caricature
of what you think you're fighting.
>: I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
>: relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue. This
>: person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
>: Dateline. No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
>: going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.
>
>There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
>total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
>donating money during pickets.
>
>Keith Henson
- Whippersnapper
"Do you have a dumpster I could root through?" -- Calvin
Rebecca Hartong
Keith Henson wrote in message ...
>Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.
Hmm...
Wulfen
I'm posting this for Deep Wog (who was the better half at the APA
counterpicket):
The BURGERFLIPPER scribbled:
>Now, THIS I find remarkable.
Are all $cientologists so easily amused?
Oh wait. I forgot. One of the first things $cientology must destroy
is the sense of humour. No doubt open laughter is an ethics
violation;
to the RPF with the offenders!
>We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
>friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
>Scientologist!
Well, KNUCKLECRACKER, I guess you'll just have to produce these "many"
"new scientologists" before we can give your claims more weight than
a neutrino, eh?
>Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood. She feels she
>must convert them! Some think she's crazy!
It's funny, I sometimes think the same thing when I see otherwise
normal
human beings standing on busy sidewalks, trying to "convert" passers
by
to the 'glorious' tenants of the "Church" of $cientology.
Who but a borderline nutcase would do something like this? Especially
with the *proven fact* that the "Church" IS a criminal cult. The
answer,
of course, without question, absolutely NO doubt, is that *NO ONE*
would
do this -- these people are dupes of the criminal cult.
This explains why the "Church" so frightened of the pickets. It
certainly can't be the act of informaing the public; even the Co$
knows that the average member of the public would rather live beside
an
open tank of raw sewage rotting in the bright August sunshine than
reside
next door to an Org of the Criminal Cult. Naturally. So it must be
the
'church' is terrified -- in a near panic -- that current members of
the
cult discover the truth. It doesn't take much; just a whee *whiff*
of that potent elixir, and a lifelong addict is formed and the cult
is down one more member. Yes indeed, without a doubt, the criminal
cult
is firmly on the path of slowly suffering a death of a thousand cuts
[revenue
cuts, of course!] if it keeps to current form.
>This is fascinating, and you just can't fail to see the parallels. I
>wonder how many other cult-of-critics members have the same problems.
Good Bob! Is the CANDYWRAPPER next going to suggest that even the
critics must eat, sleep and (gasp!) breath? Can it be true? What
other
ominous parallels are there between the critics and your average Co$
flunky on alt.religion.scientology? Is there *any* substance to
recent
reports that the critics also have to go to the washroom -- just like
a member of the criminal cult?
>Henson, apparently. Anyone else? Practically all, I'll bet.
>
>There's a Scn principle: What you resist you become -- if you lose.
You certainly *are* revealing today, aren't you, WOODYWHACKER? Like
most people, you were "resisting" the urge to be a member of the
criminal cult. After all, who wouldn't? People do not naturally want
to "destroy" someone else for the act of criticism -- it takes
special,
in depth, training only available (at great expense) from the criminal
cult to become someone like this.
So presumably you "lost" your struggle -- and became a $cientologist.
Grady Ward is dead-on: a criminal cult, made up of losers and
weaklings.
Now officially confirmed!
----------------------------------------------------------------
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-- http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn --
"Science is a method, not an ideology."
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Starshadow
In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>, hkhe...@netcom.com says...
>
> I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.
>
Keith darlin', I admire the heck out of you. But I don't think I'm
gonna post the NOTS anytime soon.
--
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow SP4, Granny Dyke
Keith Henson
Starshadow (stars...@mindless.com) wrote:
: In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>, hkhe...@netcom.com says...
: >
: > I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.
: >
: > Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.
: Keith darlin', I admire the heck out of you. But I don't think I'm
: gonna post the NOTS anytime soon.
<grin> You don't need to, they have been posted till they are almost
spam. Keith Henson
Starshadow
BTW, I saw you on some cable science program, where you were talking
about cryogenics. Was kinda fun; went "Hey, that's Keith Henson!" to my
wife, who said, "I take it one of your online critic friends"??
One day I hope to shake your hand.
Fraud Buster
On 23 Jun 1998 16:39:13 EDT, Whip...@cris.com (WHIPPERSNAPPER) wrote:
>
>Now, THIS I find remarkable.
>
>We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
>friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
>Scientologist!
>
>Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood. She feels she
>must convert them! Some think she's crazy!
>
>This is fascinating, and you just can't fail to see the parallels. I
>wonder how many other cult-of-critics members have the same problems.
>Henson, apparently. Anyone else? Practically all, I'll bet.
>
>There's a Scn principle: What you resist you become -- if you lose.
>
>
>In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>,
>Keith Henson <hkhe...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>Deana Holmes (mir...@newsguy.com) wrote:
>>: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry
>>: armstrong) wrote:
>>
>>: >I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>>: >Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
>>
>>: I'd like to say publicly that the Dateline story about Bob Minton has
>>: caused a lot of discussion among my relatives. They still think I'm
>>: crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
>>: successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.
>>
>>I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.
>>
>>Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.
>
>Oh gee, Henson, we think well of ourselves, don't we?
>
>Lemme see... your example is that of a malicious propagandist and a failed
What about standing outside Psychiatric conventions in Canada with
signs that say "Psychiatry is a Fraud" "Psychiatry Costs Lots of
$$$$" I mean how is picketing Scn any different ? You guys are just
as phoney. I am glad people picket you . You can dish it out it seems
(criticism) but Scn sure can not take it.
>litigant whose PR game (to justify harassment-via-copyright violation as
>if it were a public service) backfired horrifically; a guy whose time is
>apparently largely spent on the streets with a sign slamming a religious
>sect or posting rumors and deprecations to the Internet.
Lets see. Keith is a computer consultant and Electrical Engineer who
lives in Palo Alto, California. What do *you* do for a living ? And i
think many of the statements made against Scientology here on the net
and on a.r.s. are by Ex - Scientologists !!! Keith Henson is a great
guy, but if he disappeared off the face of the planet scn criticism
sure would not. There are as many critics almost as there are ex -
members.
>
>I imagine, perhaps uncharitably, that what time you have left in the day
>must be spent hiding money (how you earn any I haven't a clue), securing
>assets (if you have any) against collection and drinking cheap beer with
>like-minded buddies.
>
>You stand for all to see as an archetypical example, most especially for
>those seeking new careers; spraining your arm as you pat yourself on the
>back.
>
>It's sorta funny in a tragic way. You too, like Deana, are a caricature
>of what you think you're fighting.
I think Scientology is FAR more destructive than Keith or Deana are.
After all Keith and Deana express their civil rights when they picket
in a simmilar way to Scns expressing theirs when they go to the APA
conferences to picket. Looking at Scns stand out a psychiatric
convention with signs that say "Psychiatry Kills" is about as
hypocritical and inane as you can get (considering the source).
Far more so than us unorganized mess of critics who simply decided you
guys are too abusive of the net (and often critics and ex - members).
>
>
>>: I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
>>: relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue. This
>>: person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
>>: Dateline. No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
>>: going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.
>>
>>There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
>>total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
>>donating money during pickets.
>>
>>Keith Henson
>
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>
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Wul...@SPAMOFF.Total.net (Wulfen) wrote:
>I'm posting this for Deep Wog (who was the better half at the APA
>counterpicket):
>The BURGERFLIPPER scribbled:
>>Now, THIS I find remarkable.
>Are all $cientologists so easily amused?
Well, that's a good thing. If they're off being amazed at the dynamics of
rubber bands, they're not out killing people like Lisa or drowning dogs like
Duke.
I say, keep them amused.
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Fredric Rice
eldo...@aol.com (EldonB123) wrote:
>>>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike Rinder's
>black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
>Someone on the AOL clam board said that Rinder's ethics presence was obvious.
>It sure was.
Yes, I can also agree with that; his ethics certainly were evident.
Imagine the outcry which would occur if someone publically stated that all
blacks are criminals. This crime syndicate boss should have been thrown out
of Dateline for that crack.
Fredric Rice
>: > I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.
>: > Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.
>: Keith darlin', I admire the heck out of you. But I don't think I'm
>: gonna post the NOTS anytime soon.
><grin> You don't need to, they have been posted till they are almost
>spam. Keith Henson
Not to mention the fact that the APA has mailed and faxed a copy to every
news agency in the United States. Of course I'm just guessing. It might
have been the CIA or Elton John. }:-}
Come to think of it, I wonder if the NOTS _have_ been distributed among
the big news agencies now that they're publically available on Internet.
There's certainly enough evil in the crime syndicate to warrant a full
week of hour-long series exposing the cult.
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>,
hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
<snip>
> There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
> total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
> donating money during pickets.
>
> Keith Henson
>
Keith - make sure you keep a record of what you
you are being given so you can turn it over to
Sandy Rosen. And now you owe another $23,000 in
costs. Rod
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Keith Henson
rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
: In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>,
: hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
: <snip>
: > There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
: > total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
: > donating money during pickets.
: >
: > Keith Henson
: >
: Keith - make sure you keep a record of what you
: you are being given so you can turn it over to
: Sandy Rosen. And now you owe another $23,000 in
: costs. Rod
If anyone ever needs to verify that the "Rod" account is official, this
is a number I did not know. Keith Henson
Bev
rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
> > There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
> > total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
> > donating money during pickets.
> Keith - make sure you keep a record of what you
> you are being given so you can turn it over to
> Sandy Rosen. And now you owe another $23,000 in
> costs. Rod
What other $23,000.00? Where did you get this information from?
Maybe your corporation can deduct it from the 3Million have still
owe to Wollersheim.
Beverly
Tashback
In article <3590617...@news.total.net>, Wul...@SPAMOFF.Total.net
(Wulfen) wrote:
> I'm posting this for Deep Wog (who was the better half at the APA
> counterpicket):
>
> The BURGERFLIPPER scribbled:
>
> >Now, THIS I find remarkable.
>
> Are all $cientologists so easily amused?
>
> Oh wait. I forgot. One of the first things $cientology must destroy
> is the sense of humour. No doubt open laughter is an ethics
> violation;
> to the RPF with the offenders!
He didn't say he was amused. He said it was remarkable.
> >We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
> >friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
> >Scientologist!
>
> Well, KNUCKLECRACKER, I guess you'll just have to produce these "many"
> "new scientologists" before we can give your claims more weight than
> a neutrino, eh?
No, Whip is right on that point. New Scientologists often have a difficult
time explaining their zeal for the organization to their families. Heck,
that's been documented even in the critical references ars critics like to
cite. Why do you challenge him on such an easily verifiable point? And why
do you call him names?
Tash
Rebecca Hartong
Tashback wrote in message ...
>No, Whip is right on that point. New Scientologists often have a difficult
>time explaining their zeal for the organization to their families. Heck,
>that's been documented even in the critical references ars critics like to
>cite. Why do you challenge him on such an easily verifiable point? And why
>do you call him names?
Because Whippersnapper is the enemy, Tash, and as such his arguments don't
deserve the firing of even a single neuron in consideration of whether they
have merit. The E*N*E*M*Y!! And if you can't see that, you're the
E*N*E*M*Y too!
You'd better just straighten out and start flying right, missy!
;-)
---------------------------------
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http://www.erols.com/hartong
Starshadow
In article <6n5a15$k...@enews1.newsguy.com>, har...@erols.com says...
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <3590617...@news.total.net>, Wulfen writes:
>>Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood. She feels she
>>must convert them! Some think she's crazy!
>
>normal
>human beings standing on busy sidewalks, trying to "convert" passers
>by
>to the 'glorious' tenants of the "Church" of $cientology.
who are these people who rent apartments in the Chruch of Scientology,
and why are they 'glorious'? (clue: I think you mean **tenets**).
In article <35919bf0....@news.wwa.com>, Fraud Buster writes:
>>litigant whose PR game (to justify harassment-via-copyright violation as
>>if it were a public service) backfired horrifically; a guy whose time is
>>apparently largely spent on the streets with a sign slamming a religious
>>sect or posting rumors and deprecations to the Internet.
>
>Lets see. Keith is a computer consultant and Electrical Engineer who
>lives in Palo Alto, California. What do *you* do for a living ?
Clamsnapper designs electronic control systems of some sort.
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In<eE6OsvA7...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>, Chris Owen writes:
>In<358f9d07...@enews.newsguy.com>, Deana Holmes writes:
>>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, arms...@dowco.com (gerryarmstrong) wrote:
>>>
>>>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>>>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.
>>
>>caused a lot of discussion among my relatives. They still think I'm
>>crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
>>successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.
>>relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue. This
>>person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
>>Dateline. No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
>>going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.
>
I expect they just wonder why she spends her time fighting
a bunch of cult loonies whom they consider not worth the bother.
Bev
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Whip...@cris.com (WHIPPERSNAPPER) wrote:
>Now, THIS I find remarkable.
>
>We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
>friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
>Scientologist!
>
>Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood. She feels she
>must convert them! Some think she's crazy!
Very interesting indeed.
>This is fascinating, and you just can't fail to see the parallels. I
>wonder how many other cult-of-critics members have the same problems.
>Henson, apparently. Anyone else? Practically all, I'll bet.
I am not sure. While there probably are some people intelligent enough
to see through their bias, I am afraid others just go along in a
typical mob reaction. It is of course *much* more easy to get someone
reacting through cheap propaganda and demonization than it is to bring
them up to some understanding, empathy and tolerance.
>There's a Scn principle: What you resist you become -- if you lose.
It's not just a Scn principle. "Critics" are not necessarily brighter
than "cultists". Often, to be a "critic" is about the same form of
escape as being a "cultist". That's all there really is to it. They
almost automatically reproduce the same psychological process.