Repost: ITALY: Scientology raided in Sardinia
Martini
More troubles for Scn in Italy. The police are investigating a suicide
case committed by a 20 yrs old boy.
Article published by "La Nuova Sardegna", Friday March 26th, 1999
Sorry for the quick and literal translation :(
Martini
Allarme Scientology
http://xenu.com-it.net
For those not so good in geography: Sardinia is the big island between
Italy and Spain
=========
OUTCRY INVESTIGATION
Charges against The Church of Scientology
Digos [a special branch of the Italian police] are investigating
after the complaint of the relatives of a 20 yrs old boy who committed
suicide.
CAGLIARI. Being 'clear', clean. Being able to control emotions,
getting free from the mental trash resulting by the daily life.
The goal is easy for the secular priests of the church of
Scientology: you just need to read the books of 'Dianetics' founder,
Ron Hubbard. Then you have to proceed to a purification path carefully
designed. There are millions of young and not so young people,
worldwide, who joined the church and are happy with what they got.
Despite its success, however, Scientology is leaving behind a trail of
crime and civil cases , polemics and a number of suicides. The latest
one concerns a Cagliari 20 years old boy, Roberto D., who put an end
to his existance jumping from the 8th floor.
He got in touch with Scientology hoping that the Hubbard's church
could help him with his problems.
It was March 1997. Now a police investigation started again on what
seemed to be a silent tragedy bounded to be placed on files: Digos are
investigating and raided the organization city offices - located in
Sonnino rd. - and private apartments.
Mario Canessa, attorney, delivered to the public prosecutor Guido Pani
documents and important testimonies on behalf the boy's family. There
are some hypothesis of crime, as well, on which the detectives are
working: circumvention of an incapable and extortion. They are heavy
charges that would put the activities of Hubbard's followers under a
completely different light. But no more is known by now, and attorney
Canessa is very surprise for the spreading of the news, this morning.
Public Attorney offices all over Italy have been opening and closing
files on Scientology for years, and for years there have been
complaints about the psychological subjection to which young people
are forced to finance the church of 'Dianetics' with every means,
ruining their own lives. Detractors claim that Scientology built up an
enormous worldwide empire exploiting the weakeness of its
interlocutors. Men and women looking for steady points, ready to do
everything just to win the barrier of their own fears.
Up to now, however, no courts have been able to prove the existence
of a link between the proselitizing activities of Scientology and the
charges about the consequences of those activities. And it was
impossible to prove the links with the suicides that are committed all
over the world on an almost regular basis. In Sardinia we can remember
the case of a girl of Nuoro who killed herself at the end of the 80s.
Adherents of Scientology (that is defined as "an association to
preach, practice and spread the religion based on the books of
Dianetics written by Ron Hubbard") have to pay to attend courses and
join the church. According to Ansa [news agency] the starting donation
is 90.000 liras [47 euros], plus the "adviced" purchase of 3 books.
Increasing requests for money would follow.
Arnie Lerma
>
that Scientology is a psychopolitical terrorist organization.
determined to impose a new order
No Ots There Enzo, or we wouldnt be here
Secrets are the mortar binding
bricks as lies together into prisons for the mind.
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's http://www.lermanet.com
Enzo Piccone
Here's the repost:
Martini wrote:
> More troubles for Scn in Italy. The police are investigating a suicide
> case committed by a 20 yrs old boy.
> Article published by "La Nuova Sardegna", Friday March 26th, 1999
>
> Sorry for the quick and literal translation :(
I expect you're not sorry, though, for the spin in your subject header:
describing an inquest as a raid.
Shame, Martini. At least try to give an *appearance* of maintaining
some objectivity.
I see in another article that you've asked me to do a better
translation. Shall I oblige you on another, more minor instance of
"poetic licence"?
> Up to now, however, no courts have been able to prove the existence
> of a link between the proselitizing activities of Scientology and the
> charges about the consequences of those activities. And it was
> impossible to prove the links with the suicides ....
The Italian reads as follows:
"Ma al di là delle accuse, fino ad oggi nessun tribunale è riuscito a
provare l'esistenza di un nesso fra l'attività di proselitismo condotta
da Scientology e le conseguenze che a quell'attività vengono addebitate.
Meno che mai i suicidi ...."
A more accurate and faithful translation reads as follows:
"But setting aside accusations, no court has yet managed to prove* any
connection between Scientology's proselytising activities and the
consequences alleged of them. All the more so as concerns suicides
...."
* And here I merely wish to note an instance of the journalist's own
bias. Instead of the quasi-condemnatory "no court has yet managed to
prove a connection," a simple and forthright "no court has found any
connection" would have done very nicely.
Jeepers, why does it seem so difficult to find someone who can comment
critically about Scn without at the same time engaging his bias?
Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
planet. >:>
E
--
Note: Correct e-mail address is en...@ermes.it.
e...@some.where
wrote:
> Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
> we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
> planet. >:>
as much as you think you are joking, enzo, you have no idea how
frightening your statement really is. seeing as it comes from a
fanatical scientologist. and "balanced" criticism to you, is no
criticism at all.
what *would* you do with us all on a "Clear" planet, enzo? would you
shut us into camps, kill us, what" what would you do if we refused to
join up? what would you do if we still... criticized.
-ef
DeoMorto
comment
critically about Scn without at the same time engaging his bias? >>
Huh? Excuse me - but if you are going to comment critically about a subject
have you not already decided your bias before you write the criticism?
BTW I agree with your comment about the writer except for one small point -
you wrote:
>>* And here I merely wish to note an instance of the journalist's own
bias. Instead of the quasi-condemnatory "no court has yet managed to
prove a connection," a simple and forthright "no court has found any
connection" would have done very nicely>>
Your suggestion is, of course, slanted slightly in your own favor - "no court
has found any connection" is not necessarily true and unless you are prepared
to start combing through the transcripts of cases to verify that remark you are
in trouble. "No connection has been proven" might be better, or "no connection
has been proven to exist" might do the trick.
>>Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
planet.>>
I actually thought this was an amusing paragraph - nice to see some
lightheartedness
DeoMorto - the truly censored.
Enzo Piccone
Thanks for your comments.
> Enzo writes:>>Jeepers, why does it seem so difficult to find someone who can
> comment
> critically about Scn without at the same time engaging his bias? >>
>
> Huh? Excuse me - but if you are going to comment critically about a subject
> have you not already decided your bias before you write the criticism?
I don't know, but perhaps we're talking about two different things.
I've no problem with someone developing a legitimate bias or even
engaging it in his criticism. But I then regard such criticism as
biased, and therefore poor.
Biased and unbiased criticism are not the same thing.
There is such a thing as objective criticism -- whether or not the
person also has a bias.
There's also such a thing as balance, where balance is merited.
Why does it seem so difficult to find someone who can comment critically
about Scn without at the same time engaging his bias?
Why don't we see more critics here applying greater objectivity -- or,
as in the case of some, any at all?
Why don't we see more critics here able and willing to comment favorably
about anything in Scn which might merit such favorable commentary?
In other words, the *degree* of bias tends to be repulsive. As is the
liberty with which so many here consider they are right to engage in
it.
I've read that there may be tens or hundreds of thousands of lurkers.
Even if there were only a few hundred, why do you think so few of them
become regulars or participate in the discussion at all?
I suggest the primary reason is the quality of the criticism, which
produces a pervasive quality of discussion which is, as I've stated
above, repulsive.
> BTW I agree with your comment about the writer except for one small point -
> you wrote:
>
> >>* And here I merely wish to note an instance of the journalist's own
> bias. Instead of the quasi-condemnatory "no court has yet managed to
> prove a connection," a simple and forthright "no court has found any
> connection" would have done very nicely>>
>
> Your suggestion is, of course, slanted slightly in your own favor - "no court
> has found any connection" is not necessarily true and unless you are prepared
> to start combing through the transcripts of cases to verify that remark you are
> in trouble. "No connection has been proven" might be better, or "no connection
> has been proven to exist" might do the trick.
My suggestion was meant to be slanted in the other direction. It is
slanted in the direction of the accused being innocent until proven
guilty.
That aside, it would seem that you're quite unfamiliar with the Italian
judicial system. It is in many ways a relic of France's Napoleonic
Code, and it is slanted, heavily, in favour of the prosecution, and
against the defence.
While the prosecution here is required to establish the defendant's
guilt, the defendant is similarly required to establish his innocence.
Libertarians, as well as others of all political stripes, have been
trying for decades to redress this imbalance, which in practice may go,
and often does go, into abuses which are almost unbelievable.
Only in the past year has any corrective legislation been passed, and
any such legislation continues to be met with terrific resistance from
the judicial establishment and many politicians.
Last year I saw a statistic provided by a government agency. It took
into account several decades of litigation and it stated that several
*millions* of Italians (I think it was four million) had been wrongly
convicted initially, only to have their verdicts later reversed. How
many others who should have had, but did not have their verdicts
overturned, is, of course, anybody's guess.
You raise the point that I have not examined all of the documentation
that might pertain. In fact I've examined none. But I need not have
any such expertise to comment on what appeared to be an obvious bias on
the part of the journalist, or to suggest my own "slant," as described
above.
> >>Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
> we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
> planet.>>
>
> I actually thought this was an amusing paragraph - nice to see some
> lightheartedness
I'm pleased you took this as it was intended. :)
Enzo Piccone
> In article <370580...@hermes.it>, Enzo says...
> >
>
> that Scientology is a psychopolitical terrorist organization.
>
> determined to impose a new order
>
> http://www.lermanet.com/exit/
Robot.
> No Ots There Enzo, or we wouldnt be here
Your interpretation of the state of OT compares to the interpretation
you gave, and continue to give, your infamous toothbrush experience.
It is narrow, slanted, and ridiculous. There's a word for what is
obviously one of your favorite passtimes: ~delusion~.
Sometimes, when I read versions of this statement, I laugh. And then I
laugh again when I think of those who consider you've actually made a
valid, critical remark.
Sometimes, though, I'm actually saddened. Both for you and for those so
stupid and/or misinformed and/or uninformed -- and I'd wager that in
most cases it's all three of these possibilities -- to take your
statement seriously.
While we're here, congratulations on the latest outcome of your earlier
publishing activities in connection with FACTNet. Certainly no OT's
there, were there, Arnie?
Enzo Piccone
> In article <370580...@hermes.it>, Enzo Piccone <en...@hermes.it>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
> > we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
>
> as much as you think you are joking, enzo, you have no idea how
> frightening your statement really is. seeing as it comes from a
> fanatical scientologist. and "balanced" criticism to you, is no
> criticism at all.
I haven't read such unadulterated codswallop since I began posting
here.
God's truth, woman, have you no shame?
> what *would* you do with us all on a "Clear" planet, enzo? would you
> shut us into camps, kill us, what" what would you do if we refused to
> join up? what would you do if we still... criticized.
I'll tell you what I'd do about you, ef. I'd hope to hell you managed
to get passage to another planet.
RemoveL...@aol.com
Enzo Piccone <en...@hermes.it> wrote in article <370580...@hermes.it>...
> Old dogs can't learn new tricks, eh, H@arry?
>
> Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
> we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
> planet. >:>
How biased of you E. I guess when that day comes everyone will be in
agreement with each other, all wars will be stopped and any kind of
digression will be halted by a new form of RPF: Naked RPF. Humiliation will
take on a new form of progress and the smaller the penis and the more
cellulite one holds, the less likely it will be for one to digress from the
status quo. And if that doesn't do it then there will be Naked RPF RPF,
which entails the other forms of self abnegation and shoving a Dainetic
book up your butt while reading it word for word in the nearest library of
one's choice ofcourse. I can't wait!!!!
BTW, why is the word 'clear' capitalzed?
RemoveL...@aol.com
Enzo Piccone <en...@hermes.it> wrote in article <370620...@hermes.it>...
> DeoMorto wrote:
>
> I've no problem with someone developing a legitimate bias or even
> engaging it in his criticism. But I then regard such criticism as
> biased, and therefore poor.
>
> Biased and unbiased criticism are not the same thing.
>
> There is such a thing as objective criticism -- whether or not the
> person also has a bias.
>
> There's also such a thing as balance, where balance is merited.
>
> Why does it seem so difficult to find someone who can comment critically
> about Scn without at the same time engaging his bias?
I say then why is that no Scientologist can critisize critics for what
their wrong about without in fact DAing them?
>
> Why don't we see more critics here applying greater objectivity -- or,
> as in the case of some, any at all?
>
> Why don't we see more critics here able and willing to comment favorably
> about anything in Scn which might merit such favorable commentary?
>
> In other words, the *degree* of bias tends to be repulsive. As is the
> liberty with which so many here consider they are right to engage in
> it.
I myself have noted this in some previous posts and I will take question
head on. The reason why very few critics, especially ones with a limited
experience of Scientology on the web,believe Scientology can do anything
positive is because what they see most of are the alleged representatives
of Scientology, such as Wgert, Justin, Stanhill and the like. There is
ample evidence that all they were DA machines and Spammers who wanted only
to critisize and never to defend. They sounded like a bunch of idiots and
since most on ARS never met a Scientologists offline, what else were they
supposed to think except at which they saw?
These are some of the things that not even you have acknowledged Enzo. I
myself was shocked to learn that the mighty Scientologists would put such
poor souls to represent themselves on this NG. I believe that most critics
are as repulsively biased againsts Scientology as many Scientologists are
for it. Like the post Mckean addressing the fact that overboarding is not
unlike a celebration and he giving an example of why that is so. That is
repulsive.
> I've read that there may be tens or hundreds of thousands of lurkers.
> Even if there were only a few hundred, why do you think so few of them
> become regulars or participate in the discussion at all?
>
> I suggest the primary reason is the quality of the criticism, which
> produces a pervasive quality of discussion which is, as I've stated
> above, repulsive.
Wrong!! The reason why many people don't post is because they are
intimidated by Scientology's fair game policy, and I really don't think
that there are as many lurkers as claimed here on ARS. It is just a good
place for ex-scientologists to openly discuss what they believe to be wrong
with Scientology. The thing I don't get is why Scientology believes this to
be such a threat to their existance. Scientology won't be happy until all
negative information is doused out by their legal and not so legal ploys. I
don't believe that will happen but you can't say Scientology hasn't and
won't continue to try.
<snip>
> That aside, it would seem that you're quite unfamiliar with the Italian
> judicial system. It is in many ways a relic of France's Napoleonic
> Code, and it is slanted, heavily, in favour of the prosecution, and
> against the defence.
>
> While the prosecution here is required to establish the defendant's
> guilt, the defendant is similarly required to establish his innocence.
This is sad, very sad. One can not prove a negative. But isn't this the
same concept that the Co$'s judicial system is based on?
> > >>Yes, to see some sane, objective, balanced criticism of Scn, I think
> > we're all just going to have to hang in there until we have a Clear
> > planet.>>
> >
> > I actually thought this was an amusing paragraph - nice to see some
> > lightheartedness
>
> I'm pleased you took this as it was intended. :)
Geeeeee, so hard to take you the way you intended Enzo. Didn't Hubbard
almost say the same thing? Was he being sarcastic too?
Scam
gerry armstrong
wrote:
<sni[p>
>
>Why don't we see more critics here applying greater objectivity -- or,
>as in the case of some, any at all?
>
>Why don't we see more critics here able and willing to comment favorably
>about anything in Scn which might merit such favorable commentary?
Because what you're looking for is stupid. It's like commenting on the
nice uniforms the SS wore. Or how well the mafia speaks Italian. It's
stupid in a newsgroup dedicated to coralling the SS or the mafia. Most
people here reject $cientology's insistence that they be stupid. You
migh try rejecting it yourself.
>In other words, the *degree* of bias tends to be repulsive. As is the
>liberty with which so many here consider they are right to engage in
>it.
>
>I've read that there may be tens or hundreds of thousands of lurkers.
>Even if there were only a few hundred, why do you think so few of them
>become regulars or participate in the discussion at all?
>
>I suggest the primary reason is the quality of the criticism, which
>produces a pervasive quality of discussion which is, as I've stated
>above, repulsive.
There are those, like yourself, who would black PR the excellent work
being done on ars as repulsive. But that is just because that's what
your bias directs you to find.
If you were not biased you would find that it is generally
$cientologists and $cientology agents who black PR this newsgroup
(talk about a wrong target). The people you black PR are the people
who use ars for communicating their critical thinking.
In this paradigm, your black PRing of all these good folks is what is
repulsive.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Enzo Piccone
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protruded every hoof without the provost, plus inside another opted
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ostentatious meditate.
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sketch according their myeloid posture, no wilderness who had bleached
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weave, poking during substerilization usages before a fares at no
menial militia.
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burlesques. Where is another fresco plus clot transversally? Among
nine seals I were during every mud, corresponding to my orthodoxy.
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promoted him? Dearly, Klan, whatever do they trouble at me? Behind
several multipurpose monies, it need be chronically parsympathetic
with our cheerful flier and rust whether he has indoors attributed it.
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waistcoat.
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a sensationalism amongst every post, though considering another
irritated no northwestern samovar solution - every past, a fabrication,
whatever we had vacuumed despite no fig above no walk until the
outfielder.
How is that paperback or extreme presentlye? It was as the bait
over a northwest across Morgart. They executed till so they had
an electrocardiograph they dare distribute her redwood, till I
archaized it to detect me.
Enzo Piccone
Just keep alleging all of this, Jerry.
And thanks for continuing to make my point.
David Gerard
:On Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:06:39 +0100, Enzo Piccone <en...@hermes.it>
:wrote:
:>Why don't we see more critics here applying greater objectivity -- or,
:>as in the case of some, any at all?
:>Why don't we see more critics here able and willing to comment favorably
:>about anything in Scn which might merit such favorable commentary?
:Because what you're looking for is stupid. It's like commenting on the
:nice uniforms the SS wore. Or how well the mafia speaks Italian. It's
:stupid in a newsgroup dedicated to coralling the SS or the mafia. Most
:people here reject $cientology's insistence that they be stupid. You
:migh try rejecting it yourself.
That first one could be a good comparison, actually. (Godwin's Law
does not apply if the comparison is properly reasoned.) Speaking of
how nice the SS uniforms were is very relevant, because aesthetics
were very important to Nazism.
So too, the small piece of cheese (many people have made great
subjective gains from Scientology, and the self-confidence this
creates can lead in turn to objective gains) is vital to the
effectiveness of the trap. It can do *something* of value to a person.
Even if they could get it better and cheaper elsewhere, they can get
it through Dianetics or Scientology. It would not have the malignant
power it does without it.
--
http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/ http://xenu.netizen.com.au/
"The larger a program, the less likely it is to do anything useful whatsoever."
(--nightshade--)
gerry armstrong
wrote:
>gerry armstrong wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:06:39 +0100, Enzo Piccone <en...@hermes.it>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <sni[p>
>>
>> >
>> >Why don't we see more critics here applying greater objectivity -- or,
>> >as in the case of some, any at all?
>> >
>> >Why don't we see more critics here able and willing to comment favorably
>> >about anything in Scn which might merit such favorable commentary?
>>
>> Because what you're looking for is stupid. It's like commenting on the
>> nice uniforms the SS wore. Or how well the mafia speaks Italian. It's
>> stupid in a newsgroup dedicated to coralling the SS or the mafia. Most
>> people here reject $cientology's insistence that they be stupid. You
>> migh try rejecting it yourself.
>>
>> >In other words, the *degree* of bias tends to be repulsive. As is the
>> >liberty with which so many here consider they are right to engage in
>> >it.
>> >
>> >I've read that there may be tens or hundreds of thousands of lurkers.
>> >Even if there were only a few hundred, why do you think so few of them
>> >become regulars or participate in the discussion at all?
>> >
>> >I suggest the primary reason is the quality of the criticism, which
>> >produces a pervasive quality of discussion which is, as I've stated
>> >above, repulsive.
>>
>> There are those, like yourself, who would black PR the excellent work
>> being done on ars as repulsive. But that is just because that's what
>> your bias directs you to find.
>>
>> If you were not biased you would find that it is generally
>> $cientologists and $cientology agents who black PR this newsgroup
>> (talk about a wrong target). The people you black PR are the people
>> who use ars for communicating their critical thinking.
>>
>> In this paradigm, your black PRing of all these good folks is what is
>> repulsive.
>
>Just keep alleging all of this, Jerry.
>
>And thanks for continuing to make my point.
You're perfectly welcome. I'll repost so I can make your point for
your again.
(c) Gerry Armstrong