Attack of the Anti-Mintonistas
Joe's Garage
have to appreciate something in life. If nothing else, you have to
appreciate that fact that we, as members of the human race, are capable of
appreciation.
In that respect, if someone you hate receives recognition from a group you
despise, you are still normally able to get over your own hatred and
resentment long enough to say, "even though that is a person I hate and a
group I despise, I acknowledge that people are not animals, but are
capable of appreciation"
... unless you have been programmed to act in the unthinking
mean-spiritedness of war.
In war, all is delusion. You are purposely deceived into thinking that
your enemies are your friends and your friends are your enemies. To
survive, you have to learn how to function, not by labels and stereotypes,
but by actions. For example, saying "that person is an SP, so he is OK,
but that person over there is a Scientologist, so you better watch out"
will not work in the foggy haze of battle. You have cult members on this
news group who are equating Bob Minton with Ron Hubbard and who call
themselves "critics." If you side with the alleged "critics" and treat
Bob Minton as if he were on the same level as the Master of Deception, Ron
Hubbard, you will turn into an unknowing, enemy toady. It is intended
that way.
This Alternative Charlemagne award is a great idea, and the timing is
great, too. It comes after a years-long endeavor by Scientology to frame
Bob Minton flopped at the Florida trial as badly as Battlefield Earth. It
shows the cult up for what it is. Speaking of showing cults up for what
they are, look at a secondary benefit of the award: cultists are attacking
something that differentiates people from being animals - appreciation.
Is criticizing the award an attack? No, I've privately received some
great arguments against this award, and against awards in general. The
arguments are backed up with facts and based on appreciation of values.
I've gone on with this anyway because it looks to me like the benefits
outweight the disadvantages. One benefit is a public demonstration of
operation on a level which nobody can rationally associate with resentment
and hatred.
Another benefit is the drawing of the line between irrationality and
rationality. Here's an example of irrationality: "Do you still beat your
wife? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say it that way" is an example of
asking a question for the purpose of planting in the listeners' minds that
not only may the person addressed have once beat his wife, but that the
asker let something slip that he had secret knowledge of. There is no
difference between that and asking if the award committee, of which Gerry
Armstrong and Ursula Caberta are members, is not a front group for an
anti-cult movement similar to what Narconon is for Scientology, then
apologizing for having used the wrong wording.
By the way, Scientolgy's OSA is also busy trying to poison the environment
for the award in Leipzig, Germany, the site of the award presentation.
Joe Cisar: http://cisar.org/rfs0100.htm
Award site: http://alt-charlemagne-award.de
Why would Gottfried Helnwein, one of the world's leading Scientologists,
lie? See http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News/has00.htm
Phil Scott
wrote:
Bobs score card is starting to get a lot of birdies on it lately, it
started off with a few boggies though and that made some of us
nervous,
We have been oped so much that it seems the survivors among us have
gotten cautious, especially those of us who have not met Bob
personally and have no feel for man as a person. I think caution is a
good thing.
I know Stacy though, and that lent Bob some extra credibilty with
me...along with the way Bob has treated those around him.
I am concerned though with any grouping of critics or for that matter
freezoners. These groups can be established and then the members
sued in a class if one is not careful.
As far as the award goes, well, someone deserves one, and Bob would be
near the top of the list with his contributions to the McPherson civil
case and support of critics. Personally I'd like to see a joint
award, with at least Arnie Lerma on podium, and LW regardless his
wildness, he has single handedly born this fight in a way no others
have, and Dennis and Paullette, and Vaughn, and and Joe and Rodger,
and Mark and ...well its a long list isnt it.
Best Regards, Phil Scott
Joe's Garage
[...]
>
> I am concerned though with any grouping of critics or for that matter
> freezoners. These groups can be established and then the members
> sued in a class if one is not careful.
Besides, you never know what other kind of people have supported the
Alternative Charlemagne Award to Bob Minton. They might be members of
Parliament or something. The list can be seen at the award site in my sig
file. There is also an e-mail address at the site if you want your name
included. If it doesn't work, e-mail me.
Blue Xenu
>
>On Sun, 28 May 2000 07:26:55 -0400, Joe's Garage <swa...@xenu.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>Bobs score card is starting to get a lot of birdies on it lately, it
>started off with a few boggies though and that made some of us
>nervous,
>
>We have been oped so much that it seems the survivors among us have
>gotten cautious, especially those of us who have not met Bob
>personally and have no feel for man as a person. I think caution is a
>good thing.
>
>I know Stacy though, and that lent Bob some extra credibilty with
>me...along with the way Bob has treated those around him.
>
>freezoners. These groups can be established and then the members
>sued in a class if one is not careful.
>
>near the top of the list with his contributions to the McPherson civil
>case and support of critics. Personally I'd like to see a joint
>award, with at least Arnie Lerma on podium, and LW regardless his
>wildness, he has single handedly born this fight in a way no others
>have, and Dennis and Paullette, and Vaughn, and and Joe and Rodger,
>and Mark and ...well its a long list isnt it.
You're just urinating in the wind, Phil.
>>Joe Cisar: http://cisar.org/rfs0100.htm
>>Award site: http://alt-charlemagne-award.de
>>Why would Gottfried Helnwein, one of the world's leading Scientologists,
>> lie? See http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News/has00.htm
>>
>>
>
"The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere." --Anne Morrow Lindbergh
Blue Xenu
says...
Fuck you, Joe. You know nothing about war.
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
Now why on earth would you say this?
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Joe's Garage
He wants campaigns and dates. I think they already have my name and birth
date, now they need my dates in the service to see what else got pinned on
me in the military besides medals. I'll give them what could be a TRUE
STORY to talk about:
What about that night in the Black Clap Bar? That counts as war.
A half dozen deserters burst through the front door, one of them
fired a half clip into the ceiling and yelled, EVERYBODY FACE DOWN
ON THE FLOOR, THIS IS A HOLD-UP! Unfortunately he yelled in a
language which nobody in the Black Clap understood, but everybody
still decided they better lie face down on the floor, just in case
it was a hold-up. The robbers picked everybody clean in two minutes,
and before the last one left, he fired the other half clip into
the ceiling and yelled, OK NOBODY MOVE FOR TEN MINUTES AFTER WE
LEAVE! Sure enough, just to be on the safe side, nobody moved a
muscle. This whole time I had been in the water closet. I opened
the door, and there were a whole bunch of people lying face down on
the floor. I carefully picked my way to the bar, finished by Mai Tai,
and left the bar, saying in a loud voice, "Damn drunks don't know
when they've had too much to drink!" Now I ask you, would anybody
who doesn't know what war is be able to tell what could be an absolutely
TRUE STORY like that?
Diane Richardson
wrote:
>On Mon, 29 May 2000, Gerry Armstrong wrote:
>
>> On 29 May 2000 01:38:48 -0700, Blue Xenu <Blue_...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.10005...@darkstar.zippy>, Joe's
>> >says...
[snip]
> >Fuck you, Joe. You know nothing about war.
>>
>> Now why on earth would you say this?
>
>He wants campaigns and dates. I think they already have my name and birth
>date, now they need my dates in the service to see what else got pinned on
>me in the military besides medals. I'll give them what could be a TRUE
>STORY to talk about:
>
>What about that night in the Black Clap Bar? That counts as war.
>A half dozen deserters burst through the front door, one of them
>fired a half clip into the ceiling and yelled, EVERYBODY FACE DOWN
>ON THE FLOOR, THIS IS A HOLD-UP! Unfortunately he yelled in a
>language which nobody in the Black Clap understood, but everybody
>still decided they better lie face down on the floor, just in case
>it was a hold-up. The robbers picked everybody clean in two minutes,
>and before the last one left, he fired the other half clip into
>the ceiling and yelled, OK NOBODY MOVE FOR TEN MINUTES AFTER WE
>LEAVE! Sure enough, just to be on the safe side, nobody moved a
>muscle. This whole time I had been in the water closet. I opened
>the door, and there were a whole bunch of people lying face down on
>the floor. I carefully picked my way to the bar, finished by Mai Tai,
>and left the bar, saying in a loud voice, "Damn drunks don't know
>when they've had too much to drink!" Now I ask you, would anybody
>who doesn't know what war is be able to tell what could be an absolutely
>TRUE STORY like that?
Yes, people could and do tell such stories. They're called fiction.
Diane Richardson
ref...@bway.net