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Babbles Schwartz - It was nice knowing you... BYE BYE!!

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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 23, 2005, 3:53:21 PM10/23/05
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Seems as if the Salt Lake City, Utah library finally grew tired of
Babbles continued spreading of lies and assorted crap all over the
internet and turfed her from the library internet access. She and her
little prepubescent friend, Richard Scoville of freepseechstore infamy
were like peas in a pod and relished their roles as spreaders of lies
and libel throughoout the internet. Scoville will be the next scourge
of the internet to be brought down as a result of the libel he posts on
his website and throughout USENET.

Of course, Scoville charges for his version of free speech and Babs was
only too willing to go along with the racket... maybe she received a
commission from Dick for her assistance.

Long live free speech... real free speech, not Scoville's version...

Ball of Fluff

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Oct 23, 2005, 4:55:35 PM10/23/05
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<freespeech...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1130097201.8...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Seems as if the Salt Lake City, Utah library finally grew tired of
> Babbles continued spreading of lies and assorted crap all over the
> internet and turfed her from the library internet access. She and her
> little prepubescent friend, Richard Scoville of freepseechstore infamy
> were like peas in a pod and relished their roles as spreaders of lies
> and libel throughoout the internet. Scoville will be the next scourge
> of the internet to be brought down as a result of the libel he posts on
> his website and throughout USENET.

She's still posting. There's some university library that lets her post.

C


freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 23, 2005, 4:57:21 PM10/23/05
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Today? I was under the impression that she had been turfed from the
University library.

Ball of Fluff

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Oct 23, 2005, 5:03:11 PM10/23/05
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<freespeech...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Today? I was under the impression that she had been turfed from the
> University library.

Maybe so. I know there were at least two library systems at which she was
posting. The Salt Lake City public one and some university one.

Last posts from her on google were yesterday's.

C


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Viper

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Oct 23, 2005, 6:46:37 PM10/23/05
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Any way to prove this 100%?

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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 23, 2005, 7:06:01 PM10/23/05
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She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
world is a better place.

Ball of Fluff

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Oct 23, 2005, 8:18:22 PM10/23/05
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<freespeech...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
> head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
> world is a better place.

What's the URL?

wbarwell

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Oct 23, 2005, 9:44:25 PM10/23/05
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freespeech...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Can somebody post a copy to ARS?


--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.

Cheerful Charlie

Nessie

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Oct 23, 2005, 9:38:37 PM10/23/05
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"Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
news:435c...@news2.lightlink.com...

http://www.freespeechstore.com/Qresults.asp?FromPage=index

Salt Lake City Library, Director Nancy Tessman is censoring free speech

Author: BARBARA SCHWARZ

Abstract: Nancy Tessman, Salt Lake City library director is abusing
her authority and falling for the lies of Usenet abusers, the socalled
"Usenet or Internet m...

You need to log in to read the rest.


SirLagsALot

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:39:23 PM10/23/05
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that freespeechstore website is a fucking scam...it says you can register
for free and view articles...but that is a lie...it insists that you PAY to
view anything....sure..you can register for free...but that entails giving
them your email address...for spamming purposes I am sure...but doesnt get
you any more access to articles than NOT signing up

nothing free about it!

"Nessie" <ness...@MOVEwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message

tobyty...@yahoo.com

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:40:19 PM10/23/05
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What kind of idiot would pay money for the privilege of reading all
those kook rants?

Peace,
Toby

--
"Sure, not smoking ENOUGH can cause cancer..." --- L. Ron Hubbard

realpch

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:45:39 PM10/23/05
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Well, you know what will probably happen. Someone will probably set her
up with her own computer and dial up access, and she'll be back posting.

Peach

realpch

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:49:06 PM10/23/05
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You need to *pay* to read the rest!
: )
The so called Free Speech Store seems to believe that speech should be
free, but reading it should be on a paying basis.

Peach

realpch

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:54:02 PM10/23/05
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Well, I've read that the proprietor of the site put up some strongly
phrased stuff about a company with whom he had a disagreement, so that
presumably the subject of his ire would have to pay to find out what was
being said of himself. It's an interesting concept.

Peach

SirLagsALot

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:55:20 PM10/23/05
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In order to access the database and read a speech(s) at freespeechstore.com
you must first become a member of our site(*BULLSHIT*), which is FREE!
Posting is also FREE! Only database access and/or speech retrieval, reading,
and speech storage require funding. Once you have registered, you can gain
speech retrieval, reading, and storage privileges with one of two payment
options.

1. Twenty-four (24) hours of unlimited site access, speech retrieval,
and/or storage for only $3.99.


2. One year or twelve (12) months of unlimited site access, retrieval,
and/or storage for only $40.00.

I should have googled first

Freespeechstore.com ripoff fraud Business owner is known internet scam
artist, spam - mailer, and much more including telephone harrassment,
criminal behavior San Antonio Texas *REBUTTAL employee ..AmeriSpec Does
Shoddy Work..Brent Chappel

Company
Freespeechstore.com
Address:
P.O. Box 120442
San Antonio Texas 78212
U.S.A.
Phone Number:
210-737-3656
Fax:


Friends, if you're looking for other websites to post your bad experiences
with companies, be VERY careful if you post anything on
"freespeechstore.com". Our company received an e-mail alert from this
website stating that someone had complained about our business. THIS IS
WHERE IT GETS REALLY WEIRD.

I pulled up the website, and sure enough, a nameless person posted a
complaint about our company. We work hard to please our customers, and we
offer a full refund if they're the LEAST bit satisfied. NOW THIS IS WHERE IT
GET'S EVEN MORE WIERD.

I could not access the full complaint from this nameless person unless I
agreed to give my credit card number over the internet. Yep, I had to pay
$3.99 for the privilege of seeing what was said about our firm. I was
skeptical, so I e-mailed the freespeechstore.com people and asked them to
let me know more about their operation. No response.

The next day, I sent another e-mail to them - no response. I did some
checking and found the "registered owner's name" for the website. I sent a
polite e-mail to the person listed, and within a few minutes I received a
hateful reply telling me that I was a "loser" for not paying with my credit
card to get more info.

THINK THAT'S AS WIERD AS IT GETS? I did even more checking on the listed
owner's "name" and found it was Margaret Morice. Upon doing a Yahoo search,
I found numerous complaints about "Margaret Morice" and discovered that the
Morice name is an alias and that the REAL owner of the website is supposed
to be a Mr. Richard Morton Scoville of San Antonio. Mr. Scoville is
apparently a known internet scam artist, spam-mailer, and much more
including telephone harrassment, criminal behavior and more and more.

So, here's the bottom line. If you are unhappy with a company you did
business with, report them here to ripoffreport.com and give the company an
opportunity to respond and make it right. There's two sides to every story
and neither side should be for sale, especially with someone of
"questionable character" like this Scoville guy and his absurd site called
"freespeechstore.com". BE CAREFUL AND DO NOT GIVE HIM YOUR CREDIT CARD
NUMBER!

We are in the process of turning him and his business over to the local,
state and national authorities.

Brent
San Antonio, Texas
U.S.A.

"Nessie" <ness...@MOVEwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message

tobyty...@yahoo.com

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Oct 23, 2005, 11:03:39 PM10/23/05
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But no one else can read it, either! Except someone stupid enough to
pay to read kook rants, and that would not be my preferred audience. I
can write some pretty strongly phrased stuff about someone I'm mad at,
put it in my desk drawer, and tell the person I'm mad at they have to
pay me to read it. Same concept, without the bullshit.

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realpch

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Oct 23, 2005, 11:48:02 PM10/23/05
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Well, I didn't say it was an efficient concept, just an interesting one.
; )
Peach

realpch

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Oct 23, 2005, 11:49:11 PM10/23/05
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Nessie wrote:

>
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:54:02 -0700, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >tobyty...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Nessie wrote:
> >> > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:435c...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > <freespeech...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1130108761.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > >> She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
> >> > >> head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
> >> > >> world is a better place.
> >> > >
> >> > > What's the URL?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.freespeechstore.com/Qresults.asp?FromPage=index
> >> >
> >> > Salt Lake City Library, Director Nancy Tessman is censoring free speech
> >> >
> >> > Author: BARBARA SCHWARZ
> >> >
> >> > Abstract: Nancy Tessman, Salt Lake City library director is abusing
> >> > her authority and falling for the lies of Usenet abusers, the socalled
> >> > "Usenet or Internet m...
> >> >
> >> > You need to log in to read the rest.
>
> Apparently, I was not daft enough or I would have posted
> the whole pigsty:-)

>
> >> What kind of idiot would pay money for the privilege of reading all
> >> those kook rants?
>
> Barbara must have someone paying for her, by credit card that is.

>
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Toby
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Sure, not smoking ENOUGH can cause cancer..." --- L. Ron Hubbard
> >
> >Well, I've read that the proprietor of the site put up some strongly
> >phrased stuff about a company with whom he had a disagreement, so that
> >presumably the subject of his ire would have to pay to find out what was
> >being said of himself. It's an interesting concept.
>
> So who pays by credit card for Barbara to have access?
> Quite interesting concept too.

No no, you can post a rant for *free*, but if anyone wants to read it,
they have to pay!

Peach

Android Cat

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Oct 23, 2005, 11:55:51 PM10/23/05
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SirLagsALot wrote:
> In order to access the database and read a speech(s) at
> freespeechstore.com you must first become a member of our
> site(*BULLSHIT*), which is FREE! Posting is also FREE! Only database
> access and/or speech retrieval, reading, and speech storage require
> funding. Once you have registered, you can gain speech retrieval,
> reading, and storage privileges with one of two payment options.

Note that FreeSpeechWhore will violate his stated privacy policy by posting
the IP address used to connect his page as well as anything else he can
gleen from his web server logs of your access. (I have no idea if he probes
back for open ports. I don't even log that these days, just drop it at the
border. Hmm, it's been ages since I checked for good ole 7:42 Zombie
Charlie.)

Did anyone check to see if Google has a cache of that page? Knowing his
mentality, he wants maximum search engine ranking and lets Google's bot have
free access. (Some sites are extremely trusting of the User-Agent string in
HTTP requests, btw.)

I think his fixation with the SPEWS spam list began when he started his
scam. He probably tried to spam email saying "Someone has posted something
about you", directing them to freespeechstore and expecting them all to pay
to sign up and read it. That would have quickly got him blocked by a number
of lists, but since SPEWS is nameless, faceless, and doesn't argue, it's the
focus of his spasms.

Babs probably gets complementary kook access.

--
Ron of that ilk.


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Babbling Schwarz

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Oct 24, 2005, 1:37:07 AM10/24/05
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> Seems as if the Salt Lake City, Utah library finally grew tired of Babbles continued > spreading of lies and assorted crap all over the internet and turfed her from the library > internet access.

Though it might have something to do with a critic known to have hired
a SLC attorney to take issue with the SLC Library's ignoring
PsychoSchwarz' activities....

Developing....

The Chief Instigator

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Oct 24, 2005, 1:37:24 AM10/24/05
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"Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> writes:

><freespeech...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>news:1130101041.6...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Today? I was under the impression that she had been turfed from the
>> University library.

>Maybe so. I know there were at least two library systems at which she was
>posting. The Salt Lake City public one and some university one.

Wasn't that up the hill at the U of U?

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Manchester 2, Houston 1 (SO) (October 22)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, October 25 vs. Chicago, 7:05

wbarwell

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Oct 24, 2005, 2:14:13 AM10/24/05
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Simkatu wrote:

> wbarwell wrote:
>> freespeech...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>>
>>>She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that
>>>the head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since
>>>then. The world is a better place.
>>
>>
>> Can somebody post a copy to ARS?
>

> Babbles can, since she posted it to FreeSpeechWhore.
>
> Here's the teaser for the page:


>
> Salt Lake City Library, Director Nancy Tessman is censoring free
> speech Author: BARBARA SCHWARZ
> Abstract: Nancy Tessman, Salt Lake City library director is abusing
> her authority and falling for the lies of Usenet abusers, the
> socalled "Usenet or Internet m...
>

> Relevant Website: http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
> size 150 bytes - date created 10/22/2005 7:53:11 PM - last revision
> 10/22/2005 7:53:11 PM
>
> But nobody is dumb enough to pay $3.99 to find out what Barbara
> Schwarz has to say about anything, so don't count on getting the
> full text of her "speech" unless she decides to provide it herself.
>
>

Oh lordy, $3.99 to read her mad drivelings!?
Maybe if it was Albanian Zlotys.


No, maybe not then. Well we may have a bit of sanity around here
until she manages to dig some old PII 233 mhz machine out
a dumpster somewhere.

Simkatu

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Oct 24, 2005, 1:57:53 AM10/24/05
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Nessie wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:54:02 -0700, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>tobyty...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>Nessie wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:435c...@news2.lightlink.com...
>>>>
>>>>><freespeech...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1130108761.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
>>>>>>head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
>>>>>>world is a better place.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the URL?
>>>>
>>>>http://www.freespeechstore.com/Qresults.asp?FromPage=index
>>>>
>>>>Salt Lake City Library, Director Nancy Tessman is censoring free speech
>>>>
>>>>Author: BARBARA SCHWARZ
>>>>
>>>>Abstract: Nancy Tessman, Salt Lake City library director is abusing
>>>>her authority and falling for the lies of Usenet abusers, the socalled
>>>>"Usenet or Internet m...
>>>>
>>>>You need to log in to read the rest.
>
>
> Apparently, I was not daft enough or I would have posted
> the whole pigsty:-)
>
>
>>>What kind of idiot would pay money for the privilege of reading all
>>>those kook rants?
>
>
> Barbara must have someone paying for her, by credit card that is.
>
>
>>>Peace,
>>>Toby
>>>
>>>--
>>>"Sure, not smoking ENOUGH can cause cancer..." --- L. Ron Hubbard
>>
>>Well, I've read that the proprietor of the site put up some strongly
>>phrased stuff about a company with whom he had a disagreement, so that
>>presumably the subject of his ire would have to pay to find out what was
>>being said of himself. It's an interesting concept.
>
>
> So who pays by credit card for Barbara to have access?
> Quite interesting concept too.

It is free (and pointless) to post to freespeechstore.

If Barbara has access to read the articles there, then it might have
been donated to her. I haven't seen any evidence that indicates that
she is a preferred customer or anything, though.

wbarwell

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Oct 24, 2005, 3:07:21 AM10/24/05
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freespeech...@yahoo.ca wrote:


Well then let us sing...

Ding Dong!
The Witch is dead!
Which old Witch?
The Wicked old Witch!
Ding dong!
The Wicked Witch is deeeeeeeeeeeeead!
.........

FreeSpeechStore

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Oct 24, 2005, 9:46:31 AM10/24/05
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Right! And, so it is left with you, A SEXUAL DEVIANT....

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.www.webmaster/browse_frm/thread/3259e94c4d9c3ca9/c64e255b79277805?lnk=st&q=%22marc+wigle%22+early+internet+days&rnum=1&hl=en#c64e255b79277805

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.invest.stocks/browse_frm/thread/9e16a1b309ba614c/67bfa4be4b0d583e?lnk=st&q=marc+wigle&rnum=7&hl=en#67bfa4be4b0d583e

http://freespeechstore.com/Qresults.asp?Search_Keyword=wigle+prtl+primus+singh+susan+byers+magma.ca&btnSearch2=Find+Speech

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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 24, 2005, 10:18:44 AM10/24/05
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Hey Scoville, do you have a problem with the truth? Or do you just want
people to pay you $4 to read your 'version' of the truth?

You're a twit! If you support Babs so much, why don't you give her
access through your AOL account?

richard scoville freespeechstore, remember, free to post, just pay to
read the libel and shut the hell up!

Tilman Hausherr

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Oct 24, 2005, 11:46:32 AM10/24/05
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I'm surprised that she isn't posting from her two other places (the
university, and the LDS family research library).

Tilman

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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:14:13 -0500, wbarwell <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:

>No, maybe not then. Well we may have a bit of sanity around here
>until she manages to dig some old PII 233 mhz machine out
>a dumpster somewhere.

She doesn't have telephone.

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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 24, 2005, 12:21:28 PM10/24/05
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She has to pay to read the speeches that the idiot Scoville posts on
his website unless he has given her free access. You can post whatever
you want... as long as your "free speech" is the same as Scoville's
"free speech". Otherwise, he deletes it.

Tilman Hausherr

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Oct 24, 2005, 1:29:42 PM10/24/05
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:11:22 +0200, Nessie <nes...@whyaretheydead.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:46:32 +0200, Tilman Hausherr
><tilman...@snafu.de> wrote:
>
>>On 23 Oct 2005 16:06:01 -0700, freespeech...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>>>She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
>>>head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
>>>world is a better place.
>>
>>I'm surprised that she isn't posting from her two other places (the
>>university, and the LDS family research library).
>

>I don't think one can post from the LDS family research library.
>If so, I don't think they will take kindly to the kind of postings
>Booby does. One complaint and she is out of there.

She did so. The wikipedia postings signed as "a mormon" (who has the
exact same opinion as her) were from that source.

Lisa Ruby

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And which "critic" might that be?

It is the CoS that initimadates others in order to squelch free speech,
not Scientology critics.


Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

Viper

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Nessie wrote:
>
> Barbara must have someone paying for her, by credit card that is.
>
> So who pays by credit card for Barbara to have access?
> Quite interesting concept too.

FreaSpeechWhore gave her access for free. She is a fellow kook and they got
to stick together.

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Viper

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He tried that with me a few times.

> Babs probably gets complementary kook access.

Yep she gets it for free for being a fellow kook.

Lisa Ruby

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Posting Barbara's letter here:

Barbara Schwarz to Robert.Payne, ntessamn, cward, mpetersen ...
Hide options Oct 22 (2 days ago)
From: Barbara Schwarz <barbara...@gmail.com> Mailed-By: gmail.com
To: Robert...@legal.utah.edu, ntes...@slc.org, cw...@slc.org,
mpet...@media.utah.edu, cw...@slcpl.org, tsal...@slcpl.org,
dor...@slcpl.org, officialbu...@hotmail.com,
Freespe...@aol.com
Date: Oct 22, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Respose to letter of Nancy Tessman of October 21, 2005
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Attention Ms. Nancy Tessman, Mr. Chip Ward, Mr. Robert Payne and Mr. M.
Petersen of the UEN:

This is a response to the letter of Salt Lake City Library Director
Nancy Tessman, dated October 21, 2005. (See copy of letter attached
below) This is also a request for records from the library, the UEN and
the University of Utah. Please acknowledge the receipt of this message.


I received your letter and for the records, I am Ms. Schwarz, and not
Barbara, for you.

Ms. Tessman wrote that the library (or UEN) investigated a number of
complaints related to my use of library Internet resources.
Under Utah's state records laws, I request a copy of these complaints
and the correspondence of the library on these with the complaint
makers, the UEN, the University of Utah and anybody else. I requested
already several months ago copies of the complaints to the library
under this law but was not provided with them. I just had a chance to
see some complaints to the UEN in the Office of General Counsel of the
University of Utah. But the complaints to the library were withheld
from me.
Under the GRAMA records law, I am entitled to a copy of these
complaints.

Ms. Tessman wrote that my "behavior" and "use" of the library Internet
resources would be in violation of policies of the library's Internet
use policy. Ms. Tessman failed of course to define that "behavior" and
failed to explain which policy or which part was allegedly and exactly
violated. Fact is, nothing is wrong with my behavior, and I don't
violate law nor the library Internet use policy.

Ms. Tessman wrote that I am not more allowed to use the computers at
any library, which is a violation of the statutes of the library and
state and federal laws. The library pledged to be open for all members
of the community not just these who are preferred by Ms. Tessman. The
decision is unconstitutional as my freedom of speech and my right to
educate myself through the Internet is being denied my Ms. Tessman.

Ms. Tessman wrote that on a number of occasions I was warned that my
excessive postings of unsolicited e-mail and bulk mail has generated
complaints.
This is not true. I was not approached by any employee of the Salt Lake
Library in regards of e-mail. Mr. Chip Ward ONLY talked to me on a few
occasions about posting on Usenet.
The facts are I DON'T MAIL UNSOLICITED E-MAIL AND BULK MAIL AND I DON'T
POST THESE. The library and the University of Utah and perhaps also
the UEN are making these things up to cover that they are intolerant
and censor my right of free speech on Usenet.
Under GRAMA, I request EVIDENCE by the library and the other just named
that I indeed mailed and posted unsolicited e-mail and bulk mail.

In earlier years, I mailed requests for records to agencies and that
was/is covered by the law. The library can't strip me of my rights of
Internet access of these requests. Moreover, I have not mailed requests
for records since April 2004 . If my mailing of requests for records
was such a problem for the library or the UEN, how come nobody ever
approached me earlier on it? Mr. Ward and Ms. Tessman or the UEN never
approached me before I posted on Usenet, and they never told me that
filing requests for records would violate library policies.

The library is dishonest, and they conceal the real reason why they
deny Internet use to me. Mr. Chip Ward can confirm that the sentence:
"On a number of occasions, we have warned you that your excessive
postings of unsolicited e-mail and bulk mail has generated complaints."
is everything but true.

I spoke with Chip Ward three times. During one of these talks, Ms.
Tessman was present. In the first meeting, Mr. Ward told me that he got
a number of complaints from some people, e.g. that a guy from Australia
(Robert Griffin) bothers him and he wish he would have not told Griffin
that he knows me as he does not get rid of him anymore. He told me that
he advised the library staff to tell callers to deny knowing me. I
asked him for a copy of the complaints, but Mr. Ward told me that he
will not bother me with that stuff. There was no word about me
e-mailing. It was all about posting on Usenet.

During our second brief talk in the lobby of the library, Mr. Ward told
me that the library is like a post office. Their duty is not to make
judgment on what patrons do and think and write, they are just
providing access to anybody. Apparently, the library thinks now they
don't have to be neutral like a post office anymore but that they are
entitled to censor my speech and activities.

Mr. Ward was present during our third talk. Nancy Tessman basically
told me that "Usenet Managers" threatened to block the UEN because of
my postings. She too knew that at issue were postings and no e-mails
and no bulk mail . She told me basically if I would know another place
to go for Internet access that I should go there but she also did not
tell me that I am barred from accessing the Internet through the
library computers. Chip Ward told me that I should not post on Usenet
for three days and that the complaints all surround usenet group
alt.religion.scientology.
If she would have considered my activities against Internet rules or
the law, she would have not told me to go elsewhere because that would
bring those providers in problems, right? Nancy Tessman knew that she
was/is denying my rights.

With the help of the CEO of the Freespeechstore, Rick Scoville, and
publications of the Religious Freedomwatch, I was able to document to
the library, the UEN and the University of Utah, the Office of General
Counsel, that these "Usenet Managers" like Brian J. Bruns, Robert W.
Clark, and others, are convicted computer crime felons or other kind of
criminals and that Bruns was still under probation. Mr. Scoville and I
provided library, the UEN and the University of Utah with names, e-mail
addresses and phone numbers of officials in other states who needed the
support of the UEN, the Salt Lake City Libary, and the University of
Utah in order to put Bruns or others away. Instead of working against
these cyber felons or other criminals, Ms. Tessman blames me that these
criminals blocked the UEN and the library. It is outrageous!
This is what Ms. Tessman wrote, despite she received evidence that the
people who blocked the library and the UEN are people like Brian J.
Bruns, a felon, a hacker under probation or a felon like Robert W.
Clark who hacked into the Los Alamos computers.
" Upon investigation and review, we believe that access for patrons at
both the Library and through UEN has been reduced to some Usenet sites
due to your repeated violation of Internet guidelines and protocols."
In other words: The library, the UEN and the University of Utah work
hand in hand with these criminals by kicking me out instead working
with authorities of other states and with the FBI to put a stop to
allow criminals to block the UEN.
Under GRAMA, I request the records of these "investigations" by the
library that Ms. Tessman mentioned. I am not in violation of any Usenet
protocol and guidelines, and I want Ms. Tessman to provide these
documents and inform exactly what I have "repeatedly" violated.

Ms. Tessman made her decision to barr me because she apparently does
not like my speech. She is fabricating that I sent "bulk mail and
unsolicited and voluminous e-mail" to have a justification to go
through with her unconstitutional actions against me. She is anti-free
speech and violates the U.S. and Utah Constitution. I want the library
to prove these outrageous claims, and it they were fabricated to find a
reason to deny access to me. As the library had no reason, they made
something up together with the University of Utah, as Robert Payne also
sent me such an e-mail in which he accused me wrongfully of that.

Interestingly, Mr. Chip Ward e-mailed me last month, and he wrote that
he has no complaints against me. See that message and my response
attached as enclosure.

Ms. Tessman permanently suspended my access to library computers but
welcomed me to use the library otherwise. How can anybody whose rights
are being violated by the library enjoy the library or even study in
such a hostile environment?

Moreover, the library is anyway too loud for studies. Instead going
after my rights, Ms. Tessman should listen to the patrons, who suffer
under the extreme noise in the library. I know that quite some patrons
question her competence as there is no room for quiet study ANYWHERE in
the library. You hear loud music and cell phones everywhere and despite
the library has the space to provide quiet reading and writing space,
it is not provided, it doesn't matter that patrons ask for it all the
time and even papers wrote critical about the noise. I don't know
anybody who is able to learn in such an environment, in other words:
education is not the main desire by the Salt Lake City Libary as run by
Ms. Tessman.

Very truly,

Barbara Schwarz

P.S. Ms. Tessman, please tell also your secretary Andrew Shaw to turn
his music down and to move his boom box from my wall. He is my direct
neighbor, and he causes me a lot of headache on a regular basis with
his loud banging music.

=====


October 21, 2005

Barbara Schwarz
335 East 300 South # 401
Salt Lake City, Utah 84111

Dear Barbara,

we have investigated a number of complaints related to your use of
Internet resources at the Salt Lake City Public Library and have come
to the conclusion that your behavior and use is in violation of our
Internet use policy. We will no longer extend privileges to you for use
of our personal computers at any library location.

On a number of occasions, we have warned you that your excessive
postings of unsolicited e-mail and bulk mail has generated complaints.
We have also warned you that our Internet provider, UEN, has expressed
repeated concerns about your misuse of the service. Upon investigation
and review, we believe that access for patrons at both the Library and
through UEN has been reduced to some Usenet sites due to your repeated
violation of Internet guidelines and protocols.

The Library is not making a judgment on the content of your message. We
do however, require that those who use our system recognize that
sending unsolicited and voluminous e-mail is not an authorized use. You
are welcome to use the other resources of the Library; however, your
access has been permanently suspended.

Sincerely

SALT LAKE CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY

Nancy Tessman
Director
NT:bb

Simkatu

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Oct 24, 2005, 8:35:35 PM10/24/05
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Tilman Hausherr wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:14:13 -0500, wbarwell <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com>
> wrote:
>
> >No, maybe not then. Well we may have a bit of sanity around here
> >until she manages to dig some old PII 233 mhz machine out
> >a dumpster somewhere.
>
> She doesn't have telephone.

Maybe Lil Bro, Patrick Michael Sullivan, will provide her with the
monthly funds for local phone service?

He loves her so much, it would be the least he could do.

Brian Bruns

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"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
news:1130197753.0...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> This is what Ms. Tessman wrote, despite she received evidence that the
> people who blocked the library and the UEN are people like Brian J.
> Bruns, a felon, a hacker under probation or a felon like Robert W.
> Clark who hacked into the Los Alamos computers.
>

I still find it highly amusing that she seems to think I was convicted of
hacking. Last time I checked, thats not what the paperwork says. Of
course, if she started telling the truth, all of the stuff she uses to
attack others goes *poof*.


--
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The Summit Open Source Development Group
http://www.sosdg.org / http://blog.sosdg.org/bruns

The Abusive Hosts Blocking List
http://www.ahbl.org

Simkatu

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Tilman Hausherr wrote:
> On 23 Oct 2005 16:06:01 -0700, freespeech...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>
>>She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
>>head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
>>world is a better place.
>
>
> I'm surprised that she isn't posting from her two other places (the
> university, and the LDS family research library).

But Barbara never posted from the LDS family research library, that was
just "a mormon" and "a friend to good people", LOL.

I suspect we might be hearing more from our little Mormon friend soon.

We haven't heard much from "a Mormon" lately. I am hoping that the
letters to the LDS Church did some good. I advised them that they have
been placed on the Abusive Hosts Blocking List, which could affect
legitimate family researchers at the library from communicating with others.


Message has been deleted

Lisa Ruby

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Oct 24, 2005, 10:21:30 PM10/24/05
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Brian Bruns wrote:

>I still find it highly amusing that she seems to think I was convicted of
>hacking. Last time I checked, thats not what the paperwork says.

What paperwork?


Lisa Ruby

realpch

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Oct 24, 2005, 10:51:42 PM10/24/05
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Uuurk. The library didn't really get this right. I believe what they
meant by "excessive postings of unsolicited e-mail and bulk mail" is
actually spamming. I don't see how they can deny her internet access if
they can't get their terms right.

Peach

Zinj

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In article <435D9DBE...@aol.com>, rea...@aol.com says...

<snip>



> Uuurk. The library didn't really get this right. I believe what they
> meant by "excessive postings of unsolicited e-mail and bulk mail" is
> actually spamming. I don't see how they can deny her internet access if
> they can't get their terms right.
>
> Peach

Why not? Actually, usenet and email are closely related, and, for those
posting to an nntp server, their own isp's smtp server is used; just
like email.

Of course, Barbara used the web-based 'Google Groups', but email can
also be sent that way. And, Barbara specifically circumvented Google's
own terms of service rules by using dozens of throw-away email accounts,
which is why she got away with her spamming.

And, that's what it was; whether email or usenet posts, her repetitions,
especially of hundred-line-signatures qualify as spam.

Admittedly, most 'bulk email spammers' prefer to send a single message
to hundreds, thousands or millions of unwilling victims, but sending
hundreds of thousands of *identical* or nearly identical emails to a
*single* recipient is *also* spam. Whether the recipient is a person or
a newsgroup.

Barbara is whining about what I'm sure she considers a 'technicality',
but, it's not a technicality that makes any difference as to whether she
was spamming.

She was.

Zinj
--
Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil!
- The Tick

Lisa Ruby

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Oct 24, 2005, 11:29:32 PM10/24/05
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wbarwell wrote:

>Well then let us sing...

>Ding Dong!
>The Witch is dead!
>Which old Witch?
>The Wicked old Witch!
>Ding dong!
>The Wicked Witch is deeeeeeeeeeeeead!


This phrase comes from the Wizard of Oz. The Wizard of Oz is used in
government mind control operations:

Phrases from the Wizard of Oz are
used in government mind control operations. L.
Ron Hubbard used Wizard of Oz phrases as well.

See:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/4486ba61976559ab/7d365a1dec95c713?q=hubbard+wizard+of+oz&rnum=7&hl=en#7d365a1dec95c713


Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

Marth Rathbun

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Oct 24, 2005, 11:29:53 PM10/24/05
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I would it but I don't make enough money here in the carpentry shop of the
Super Duper Building.

Marty Rathbun
Loving Barbara's burgers even more than Farty Ratbum.


GarryS

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Nessie wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:46:32 +0200, Tilman Hausherr
> <tilman...@snafu.de> wrote:
>
> >On 23 Oct 2005 16:06:01 -0700, freespeech...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >>She posted a speech on Scoville's website telling the world that the
> >>head lady is stifling free speech... Babs hasn't posted since then. The
> >>world is a better place.
> >
> >I'm surprised that she isn't posting from her two other places (the
> >university, and the LDS family research library).
>
> I don't think one can post from the LDS family research library.
> If so, I don't think they will take kindly to the kind of postings
> Booby does. One complaint and she is out of there.

She can't. The LDS computers are designed for people who want to do
family tree/geneology research. Schwarz is crazy enough that I think
her mere presence in the library would warrant LDS staff to watch her
and insure she's not using the computers for anything but geneology.

But who knows? Maybe a "press release" about the SLCPL's actions vs.
Schwarz to the LDS and University of Utah libraries is in order.

Brian Bruns

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"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
news:1130206890.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> What paperwork?

Paperwork being the court documents Barbara Schwarz is trying to say shows
I was convicted of hacking. I can't really go into details, but this is
another case of her conviently twisting and changing words to meet her own
needs.

Message has been deleted

Tilman Hausherr

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>> Barbara Schwarz to Robert.Payne, ntessamn, cward, mpetersen ...
>> Hide options Oct 22 (2 days ago)
>> From: Barbara Schwarz <barbara...@gmail.com> Mailed-By: gmail.com
>> To: Robert...@legal.utah.edu, ntes...@slc.org, cw...@slc.org,
>> mpet...@media.utah.edu, cw...@slcpl.org, tsal...@slcpl.org,
>> dor...@slcpl.org, officialbu...@hotmail.com,
>> Freespe...@aol.com

The address of Nancy Tessman is incorrect, but it is easy to find the
correct one (I hope I did :-)). I wrote her a polite letter explaining
the details of the abuse by Barbara Schwarz.

FreeSpeechStore

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FELONY...PUNK, EX-CON! Follow the bouncing links below for the dossier
on this EX-CON. Soon to have a civil suit for the same and possible
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list is like having Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a meat packing plant!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/1cb7564a8c058568/c1fae6d12f545855?lnk=st&q=freespeechstore+bruns&rnum=1&hl=en#c1fae6d12f545855

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Viper

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Oct 25, 2005, 2:20:00 PM10/25/05
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Brian I need to get ahold of you. I have been looking on IRC but you are
never on.

GarryS

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Oct 25, 2005, 2:26:55 PM10/25/05
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Can someone teach me how to hack into corporate accounts. I want to
bankrupt the Republican Party. :-)

Kim Palmer

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Oct 25, 2005, 2:33:32 PM10/25/05
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Brian Bruns wrote:
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
> news:1130197753.0...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>This is what Ms. Tessman wrote, despite she received evidence that the
>>people who blocked the library and the UEN are people like Brian J.
>>Bruns, a felon, a hacker under probation or a felon like Robert W.
>>Clark who hacked into the Los Alamos computers.
>>
>
>
> I still find it highly amusing that she seems to think I was convicted of
> hacking. Last time I checked, thats not what the paperwork says. Of
> course, if she started telling the truth, all of the stuff she uses to
> attack others goes *poof*.
>
>
the only truth she knows is what her delusions tell her is the truth
the fact that they are not even close to the truth does not matter
to her in the least

Kim P

Kim Palmer

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Oct 25, 2005, 2:35:20 PM10/25/05
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Lisa Ruby wrote:

thanks for the laugh I needed one today
seen any black helicopters lately?

Kim P

David Cary Hart

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On Tuesday 25 October 2005 14:02, FreeSpeechStore opined:

> You were INDICTED for COMPUTER HACKING and plead down to a lesser
> FELONY...PUNK, EX-CON!

You mindless nitwit. What's at issue are the nature of the conviction
and the falsehood of Ms. Schwarz regarding same. The last time I
checked, an indictment is an unproven accusation. By the way, I
understand that Ms. Schwarz is an *illegal alien* (ironic choice of
words in this forum).

> on this EX-CON. Soon to have a civil suit for the same and possible
> revocation of your probation! Having Bruns in charge of an Antispam
> list is like having Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a meat packing plant!
>

Civil suit by WHOM and for WHAT? This is right out of the McCarthy &
Hubbard playbooks. And revocation of probation by WHOM and for WHAT?

Come on Dickie, let's have some facts for a change. I have YET to see
you substantiate a single one of your baseless smears you miserable
putz. And, no, I have no intention of going to your moronic site for
answers.

Grown-ups have the intellectual discipline to judge people by what they
do in the present. Past mistakes are irrelevant to Brian's character.
You, on the other hand, deliberately slander and libel others to make a
buck (assuming that there are individuals stupid enough to access your
site). That speaks volumes about YOUR character.
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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 25, 2005, 4:07:04 PM10/25/05
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Dick, you are a lunatic. Why have you moved from Lullwood? I heard that
the bank foreclosed on you but thankfully a neighbour was able to give
me your new address and tel #...210 462 9808. I don't have your address
here but as soon as I can I'll post so that your "friends" can find you
more easily.

BTW, you may want to tell your host Mr Zumwalt over at Intertnet
Contrasts that all of his clients will be receiving copies of your vile
emails and USENET postings... I'm sure that the Baptist Church will be
REAL thrilled that Zumwalt is harbouring a crook like you. They'll
also be interested to find out how they've been blacklisted by AHBL as
they are associated with you.

Almost forgot, your phone call today to Ottawa has gotten a different
result than you thought... wait for a little surprise DICKIE.


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oops

18 Landmark
Scarborough...

I wonder who lives here???

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FreeSpeechStore

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Do you ever get anything right.."Big Friggin' Dude" or do you just
solicit bi-sexual relations/aberrations for you and your wife? I
wonder who is going to get busted, a judgement, fired, etc. Hide and
watch PUNK! I will see you soon!

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22marc+I.+wigle%22&qt_s=Search

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FreeSpeechStore

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Oct 25, 2005, 6:42:42 PM10/25/05
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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 25, 2005, 7:12:25 PM10/25/05
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"Do you ever get anything right." drivelled out of Scoville's arse.

Oh knobhead, I'll bite. What did I get wrong?

David Cary Hart

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On Tuesday 25 October 2005 15:49, FreeSpeechStore opined:

> Another outed NANAE PUNK & WHINER! Bruns is an EX-CON! Folks..it is
> simple! If FSS libels...SUE or shut up!
>

Ah, the ubiquitous "if I lie then sue me" defense. Substitution of
hyperbole for argument.

A. Dickie is not important enough to warrant the expenditure of time and
money to litigate. Who would bother?

B. Given that this schmuck is obviously not the sharpest knife in the
drawer and considering the apparent lack of stability, his assets
probably consist of some inconsequential equity in his trailer.

Does anyone comprehend what a "NANAE punk is?" NANAE is an unmoderated
usenet newsgroup - without membership. "Punk?" I guess that defines
anyone whom Dickie doesn't like.

I am equally uncertain, why an URL to our website and one of our email
spam traps appears in the subject line of this message. As for
harassing FSS with spam - well that's about as credible as any of
Dickie's mindless ravings. Too bad those meds don't seem work for him.

FreeSpeechStore

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Oct 25, 2005, 8:37:57 PM10/25/05
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What an IDIOT...Nothing, Zippo, Zero...PUNK!
=====================================================================

Brian Bruns

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:29:02 PM10/25/05
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David Cary Hart <Traif-...@TQMcube.com> wrote in news:Tnv7f.3581
$HW5.637@trnddc04:

> Past mistakes are irrelevant to Brian's character.
>

Even more so when you actually read the court documents and see what
Scumville/Bibbles is jumping up and down about. I think the general
response last time they actually told the truth was:

"Yeah, and?"

Brian Bruns

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:30:12 PM10/25/05
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"Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:mtadnZgzZPL...@comcast.com:

> Brian I need to get ahold of you. I have been looking on IRC but you
> are never on.

Work does that to you :)


E-Mail me, you know my addy.

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:30:13 PM10/25/05
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Just like I thought, I got nothing wrong. Well, other than calling you
a knobhead.

oops, another Scoville...

Robert W Scoville
4315 Moss Bnd
San Antonio, TX 78217-1845
(210) 637-1352

I really hope that his neighbours enjoy the mail they're going to get
about Richard Morton Scoville, son of Robert W. Scoville... lol

Mutt Buncher

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:45:26 PM10/25/05
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Eat shit, you stupid boring spamming troll from hell.

"FreeSpeechStore" <freespee...@aol.com> wrote in message
-> I am a fscktard <-

Brian Bruns

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:47:29 PM10/25/05
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"FreeSpeechStore" <freespee...@aol.com> wrote in
news:1130263329.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> You were INDICTED for COMPUTER HACKING and plead down to a lesser
> FELONY...PUNK, EX-CON! Follow the bouncing links below for the
> dossier on this EX-CON. Soon to have a civil suit for the same and
> possible revocation of your probation! Having Bruns in charge of an
> Antispam list is like having Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a meat
> packing plant!

Civil smivle, you've been saying that for over a year now Scumville.

Come on, you got to have something new to wail about now. How about
the fact that I setup a Wiki? Here, let me help you:


"EVIL PUNK Brian Bruns sets up Wiki! He knows he's about to get sued
for libel/slander and he's running scared! Why else would he be
setting up a WIKI! THIS PUNK IS SCARED!"


Or how about that I applied some new security patches to my laptop:

"EX-CON OWNER AHBL.COM SOSDG.ORG Brian Bruns UPDATED his computer with
the latest SEcURITY PATCHES from WINDOWS UPDATE! JUST LOOK at how this
PUNK is running SCARED!"


I got a ton of headlines you could use if your bored. They make no
sense or have no value whatsoever, but that doesn't stop you from using
them, does it?


Heh, keep the laughs coming, I need something to make me smile - the
dreary rain here is depressing.

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:12:02 PM10/25/05
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You've got rain down there too? We're all having fun wiith what's her
name...

Speaking of fun, I really wish that Scumtwit would sue someone!!!
Cripes, I'm coming up on my one year anniversary and still nothing. I
didn't think that it took so long to sue someone. Oh well, maybe things
move a little slower down there in Tex-ass.

Hey Dick, who's going to be sued first and when?

Viper

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Oct 25, 2005, 11:06:29 PM10/25/05
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FreeSpeechStore wrote:
> Another outed NANAE PUNK & WHINER! Bruns is an EX-CON! Folks..it is
> simple! If FSS libels...SUE or shut up!
>
You are going to soooo shit your pants when you do get taken to court. LOL
Just as with Kook Babs your days are numbered. You picked the wrong people
to harrass this time spammer.

Viper

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Oct 25, 2005, 11:13:12 PM10/25/05
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Brian Bruns wrote:
> "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:mtadnZgzZPL...@comcast.com:
>
>> Brian I need to get ahold of you. I have been looking on IRC but you
>> are never on.
>
> Work does that to you :)
>
>
> E-Mail me, you know my addy.

Just tried to email. Hope I remembered the email lol

GarryS

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Oct 26, 2005, 6:28:37 AM10/26/05
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Typical childish Scientology tactic. <yawn>

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 9:12:00 AM10/26/05
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No Scientologist here... sorry, try again.

The only mail that Rob will get will be the crap that his darling son
posts all over the internet about innocent people.

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Mike.Leber

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More Filth on the early days of this PERVERT!

http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public11/3650_Marc%20Wigle%20aka%20%20WI...@ISTAR.CA%20Removed%20From%20ISTAR.CA%20For%20Sexual%20Harassment%20Of%20An...@aol.com%20(Anais69).htm

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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 11:09:33 AM10/26/05
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Oh, now your name is Mike Leber??!! Your real name is Richard Morton
Scoville of the freespeechstore so why do you hide arsehole?

As for your little post about Wigle's "early days" on the internet, why
don't you get your facts straight... wait, I have to stop laughing
before I go any further... hang on... almost done... ok, get your facts
straight idiot. Find the messages that supposedly showed Wigle doing
all of this abusing and look at the headers... do you know what you'll
find?? Right, the messages were forged. Try again moron. Didn't you
learn from what Mikey did to you a couple of months ago??

I've met some stupid people in my life but none compare to you
Scoville. You're certainly one of a kind.

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 11:14:11 AM10/26/05
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Almost forgot, have you spoken to Zumwalt today? He may be a little hot
under the collar... and his clients may not be any happier knowing that
they are associated with you and your lovely website. I'd give him a
call if I were you.

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 11:25:18 AM10/26/05
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I found out who the real Mike Leber is and he will not be impressed
with you impersonating him so I'll send him a note and let him know.
Especially after you've been accusing him of using freespeechstore
supposedly illegally even though you haven't registered the trademark.

I wonder why you're not using FreeSpeechStore as your nickname... I
guess ir's because of all the PUNKS using that name as their own
nickname. Kinda screws up your campaign of internet abuse when people
aren't sure who is posting under your name. lol

BTW, you're still an idiot.

Mike.Leber

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Oct 26, 2005, 11:57:35 AM10/26/05
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Right, another lie from a Sexual Deviant. Here is the early Marc I.
Wigle and his beginnings as the FILTHY PUNK he is today and the headers
are readily available for verification! Your legacy is
archived...DEVIANT!

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=Anais69%20wigle&btnG=Search&sa=N&tab=wg

http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/browse_frm/thread/60af040581614308/25687bd257a4ef65?lnk=st&q=Hosebags+R+Us&rnum=1&hl=en&utoken=wGvPFz4AAAAfTPxMbGb5Zj8Kou0cNpOr6bo7dCL4HR8Bc_ISJ_BHri8Ih7u4CDl-MM_Vj6GeKIXLj5H9HzTCfJPfmVz3J9h3

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.cheap-trick/msg/166ad57de8643e12?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=WIG...@ISTAR.CA&qt_s=Search

Also, please do let Mr. Leber know because you are my conduit/puppet to
this idiot to take action or he will suffer the wrath his customers
deal upon the innocents of the Net. Next is K. Paul Singh, A.J. Byers,
etc. You get the drift, right PUNK!

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freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:09:03 PM10/26/05
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You need mental help Dick. First of all, your links don't lead to
anything that PROVES Wigle posted the messages you allege he did. As
for the rest of your garbage, why do you continue to threaten? You
haven't followed through on anything yet and the last time you sued for
libel, you were spanked by the Wall Street Journal to the tune of $
800,000. You're quite the success.

BTW, I had a search done for Richard Scoville in the Vietnam Vets
association and, guess what?? They couldn't find that name in their
listings. Should I have checked the draft dodger database? They were
quite interested in knowing more about you and your misrepresentations.

Message has been deleted

Mike.Leber

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:15:53 PM10/26/05
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.cheap-trick/msg/09a71433294db8d8?dmode=source&hl=en

Another forgery...Right?? You went too far PUNK! See ya soon in
Court!

=========================================================================

David Cary Hart

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:41:24 PM10/26/05
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On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:42, Mike.Leber opined:

> More Filth on the early days of this PERVERT!
>

So far, all you have demonstrated is the ability to waste a colossal
amount of bandwidth in a misadventure (bordering on obsession) to
attack someone for reasons that are entirely unknown. Those headers
"prove" absolutely nothing. Indeed, they are inconsistent and probably
forged.

It's ironic that this campaign of yours constitutes harassment by any
measure and usenet abuse by most. Moreover, your "arguments" are
unsupportable and unskilled. They represent illogical hyperbole. If one
removes the non sequiturs, half truths, inconsistencies, ad hominems
and confusion - there is nothing left.

Your amusement value is rapidly deteriorating.

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:54:04 PM10/26/05
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OMIGOD, you're right!! He replied to some guy who made an accusation
about a forged email... and you would know about false accusations,
wouldn't you Dick?? It proves nothing Dick but I'm sure that won't
deter you from spewing further.

When will the court papers be sent Dick? The world wants to know.
You're a man of your word, right Dick?

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:56:42 PM10/26/05
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"Those headers "prove" absolutely nothing. Indeed, they are
inconsistent and probably forged."

Thank you but now you know that a speech will appear on his website
exposing you as a PUNK. GOT IT! ;-)

David Cary Hart

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Oct 26, 2005, 1:10:16 PM10/26/05
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On Wednesday 26 October 2005 12:56, freespeech...@yahoo.ca
opined:

Those "speeches" are already on that website. Dickie and his site are
irrelevant in the scheme of things. He exists for his (waning)
amusement value. Unfortunately, he lacks the skills and intellect to
mount any kind of meaningful argument.

Simkatu

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Oct 26, 2005, 1:28:08 PM10/26/05
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Ron...@RonnieMarks.org wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:57:34 +0200, Nessie <nes...@whyaretheydead.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On 23 Oct 2005 21:39:20 -0700, "Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Maybe her new hero, Andy Hoare, at Thunderstar.net will provide her
>>>with free internet access?
>
>
>>>At least if this happens, she won't be forcing United States citizens
>>>and Utah citizens to support her spamming and libel attacks. And if
>>>she has an actual ISP, she will also have to agree to TOS and AUP.
>>
>>An ISP, who is not afraid of legal steps taken against it and
>>lets her post no matter what? Not likely an American one
>>then.
>
>
> Did you read the Thunderstar TOS? It talks about there are many more
> criminals today "due to the proliferation of drugs, psychiatry and
> violence in the media. Such institutions turn out criminals and perverts
> of an unthinkable nature on an alarming rate..."

Yes. I did read it. You know your internet company is in serious
trouble when your Terms of Service are indistinguishable from the
rantings of Tom Cruise jumping on a couch.

> It seems that the person behind "Thunderstar" wants to use their TOS
> statement to make political speeches, and they (the rules) read as if
> they are from a religious fanatic. Most of the rules editorialize. It
> doesn't seem to be very professional. It "feels" like it was written by
> some of the same clams that post here from time to time.

Andy Hoare is a religious fanatatic. He's a Class VI auditor for the
Church of Scientology (or some other stupid title close to that).

> Of course, Barbara has already violated their TOS, but I'll bet they
> keep her account despite that small, annoying fact.

Thunderstar.net is Scientology, so it doesn't do any good to complain to
them.

The only thing you can do is notify their upstream provider which is

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=66.59.140.239&email=on

OrgName: GT Group Telecom Inc.
OrgID: GTGC
Address: 1066 West Hastings Street, Suite 1500
City: Vancouver
StateProv: BC
PostalCode: V6E-3X1
Country: CA

TechHandle: ZG40-ARIN
TechName: Hostmaster
TechPhone: +1-416-848-2000
TechEmail: hostm...@gt.ca

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 26, 2005, 2:17:19 PM10/26/05
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"Unfortunately, he lacks the skills and intellect to mount any kind of
meaningful argument."

You've got that right. I check his site a couple of times a day just
for laughs although some people who he yaps about are not usually happy
about being there and don't find it all that funny. Once you get an
idea of his mental state we all realize that he's just nuts. It's
unfortunate that his family doesn't get him institutionalized.

freespeech...@yahoo.ca

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Oct 30, 2005, 3:08:42 PM10/30/05
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Dick you need mental help.


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