Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams
Roland
I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
Recently your scumbag OSA organisation decided to intimidate
a critic called Bob Minton by killing a neighbour's cat and
leaving it on his doorstep.
You fucking scumbags! And I use the term collectively. Just
how many of you scumbags posted to this newsgroup saying that
if something like that had happened then you did not support
it? Just how many of you said that if someone within your
organisation were killing pets then it was wrong?
Not one of you fucking scumbags said a thing.
You people are less than human. You all make me feel sick.
One of your evil bastards has gone out and killed a cat.
That could have been a beloved pet of a child in that
neighbourhood. Just what sort of Christmas will that child
have as a result of your pet murder? One of you talks about
a Christmas truce. Why? So people can reflect on your
organisations murdering cruelty? Maybe you have a pet
murder planned especially for Christmas day, aimed at
hurting children as well as pets, and you want all to be
quiet on that day so that your disgusting vicious acts
have more impact.
Disgusting lowlives. Just how many of you condemn the
vicious and cruel acts of your organisation? None of
you. You sit there and smirk and think that standard
tech is being applied by OTs and you lot don't care a
fuck that childrens lives are being shattered this
Christmas by your murdering of pets.
You people disgust me. You murdering lowlife clams.
You make me sick by your cowardly support of your
organisation that performs these cruel acts. Judged
by your silence on this newsgroup you all support these
actions. This makes you, socially, the most disgusting
group on this planet.
You are all cowards. By your silence you support the
crimes of your cult. The silence here on ars is loud.
You have the choice of comdemning these crimes but
instead you are either silent or you post in support.
Disgusting lowlives. Disgusting clams. Disgusting mafia
pet-murdering scumbags. You are all vile beyond
description. Disgusting vile and cruel brainwashed
cowardly subhuman scum. May you rot in hell you
murdering scumbags.
Just what does it do to you people when you murder a
child's pet? Do you scieno guys get an erection? Are
you that sick? Do you praise the 100% standard tech that
went into it? Do you cheer for more pet killings in
order to silence critics?
You people are sub-life. You are the most disgusting
people that have ever darkened existence. May you rot in
Hell you disgusting low-life murdering clams.
[end of Christmas message to Scientologists worldwide]
Roland
--
Xemu's Home Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/
RonsAmigo
>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
>I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>
>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
<snip>
Are you people proud of this lunatic?
How many of you find even a trace of
sanity in this madman's rant?
Just curious?
Amigo
William Barwell
In article <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Perhaps you should be rather chastising your fellow culties for their
libel attacks on critics first? Erin and her hate campaign, Gertie and his
libels.
Are you proud to have these shits on your side?
Never hear you or other Scientologists remonstrating with such drooling,
self deafeating obvious hat ecampaigns fed by the OSA lie machine.
Tend to that Scientology log in your eye before you worry about
Roland's mote in his eye.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Brett
rons...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) wrote:
>>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
><snip>
>
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
>
>Amigo
>
If one didn't read the headers, your post looks a critic commenting
about 'Mankind Greatest friend and your Saviour', LRH ;)
However, *the* difference between Roland's often tasteless rants are
that they are just that - Usenet Rants, whereas your "church's"
equivalents are actual policy, and are ruthlessly carried out, causing
pain, suffering, psychosis and even death.
How could you *not* be embarassed by the atrocity that calls itself
'ethical' and 'religious' ?
Xmas time indeed is a time to reflect. No chance of you doing that I
suppose ?
Brett K
Tilman Hausherr
In <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, rons...@aol.com
(RonsAmigo) wrote:
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
I am not proud of him and I'd wish that he would change his style. But
he was a scientologist, so it is no wonder that he is still somewhat
mentally ill. Scientology makes people mentally ill.
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
He certainly has some sanity. Because besides calling people "scumbags",
he made an important argument: that NO scientologist came up and said
that he wouldn't approve the activities against critics. Scientologists,
instead, accused us of having done it. I also think that most
scientologists approve it, because they hope it would "handle" critics.
You will also notice that never, never, never has scientology management
made a call to scientologists that harassment activities against critics
are illegal and shouldn't be done, and that any known harasser would be
turned in. Youself has also never protested against the harassment of
critics. In fact, yourself have *participated* in the harassment,
although just in the form of "ordinary hate", here on the newsgroup.
(Of course, if someone presents your hateful posts to a scientologist
spokesperson, she will deny that you are a scientologist, and will claim
that we have no proof that you are one!!)
The latest of this have been your disgusting posts about Steve Keller,
that are probably libellous. Of course, for you this is "ethical", as
Steve Keller is anti-scientology, therefore he is per scientology
"ethics" a criminal, and one of the people who should be put into
isolation camps. Lisa McPherson was just the beginning. But critics will
do all they can to prevent you and the other scientologists from doing
more "Lisa McPherson jobs".
Merry Xmas!
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos
Keith [Henson] also assaulted the private investigator
while resisting arrest, which is why he got arrested.
(from wg...@loop.com, scientology bigot)
Hud Nordin
In article <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com> rons...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) writes:
>>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>>I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>
>>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>Are you people proud of this [person]?
I am proud that during a peaceful picket, Roland was repeatedly punched
in the face by a scientologist thug and he didn't hit back. He probably
still carries a wee bit of anger from that episode. Understandable.
Merry Christmas, friend of Ron. Peace on Earth.
================================================================
John Ritson's report:
Protesters gave them extracts from the song book 'The House of the
Grasping Clam' etc. Eventually 'higher authority' must have
persuaded them that they were being 'non-confront' and they emerged
to hand out copies of 'Freedom' (the anti-German issue where the
Public Affairs Director talks about the 'Nazi regime of the 1920s
and 1930s'). After about 45 minutes, reinforcements had arrived and
they felt bolder. Roland Rashleigh-Berry was handing out his Xemu
leaflet next to the door of the org when one clam grabbed a dozen
leaflets or so, ripped them up and tried to stuff them down
Roland's shirt. Roland pushed him away and was then punched
repeatedly in the face by the Scientologist. Pictures of his
blood-spattered face will soon be appearing on the Net.
Unfortunately there were no police present at the time (they had
been there soon after the start, called by the Scientologists, and
were there after this incident). The incident was notified to the
police by Roland, but he decided not to press charges of assault or
actual bodily harm. In a case like this with no 'neutral' witnesses
a magistrate would probably just bind both parties over to keep the
peace, or fine them each a few quid.
--
Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley / The City of Sunnyvale / California
Gregg Hagglund
In article <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rons...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) wrote:
>>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
>>
>>I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>
>>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
><snip>
>
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
>
>Amigo
Hmm. I'll make you a deal RonsaDodger.
I'll satisfy your curiosity if you will mine.
Please post the *scientific* peer reviewed data that
*proves* the efficacy of the 'tech'.
Do that and I promise to answer your curiousity about
my opinion on Rolands Rant sooner than 47 years after
it was first asked.
BTW have you got your "Save a Kitten/ Castrate a Critic of Scientology"
T shirt or coffee mug yet? ARSCC (wdne) order number R2-45.
(As advertised on AOL "SPs are mud-people annnimaaaalls!")
A real bargoon if you buy both for $ 1000 US. Sold seperately for
$750 US. Guaranteed not to rip run ravel or smell bad. Irradiated to
ensure complete freedom from BTs.
Make all checks payable to:
Master of Chaos Minton the Magnanious c/o the ARSCC (wdne).
In the grand tradition of Scientology we accept personal checks,
Money Orders, Credit Cards, Family Heirloom Jewelry and
Options on your First Born...........
<<<oo{ At Constant Cause Over the toronto org.}oo>>>
oo>>>{ And sentenced to Death for this SP Act. }<<<oo
["You know, people die if they criticize scientology -
I should take care if I were you."
-Marcus Nyman, OSA (former GO), $cio-org, Stockholm, Sweden.]
Gregg Hagglund SP4
http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond
--
" I'm sure it's obvious to all who read my stuff, that I have
serious problems when it comes to being able to communicate."
- -RonsAmigo, Official OSA Shill on ARS
Download the latest Xemu Flyer:
http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/2-1ZipArch.html
john smith
In article <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, rons...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) wrote:
>>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
>>
>>I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>
>>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
><snip>
>
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
>
>Amigo
>
>
Paul
RonsAmigo wrote:
>
> >Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
> >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
> >
> >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
> <snip>
>
> Are you people proud of this lunatic?
No, why should I be? Why should I assume responsibility for another
individual's words?
> How many of you find even a trace of
> sanity in this madman's rant?
Roland has been very badly hurt by his time in the Church of
Scientology[tm]. As a result, he occasionally indulges in such
irrational postings as the one you cite here.
I have compassion for Roland and pray that he will find the peace he
needs. Can you say the same?
-Paul
NoGoot
>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>>I've got a Christmas message
>>to all Scientologists:
>>
>>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
<snip>
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
I've been the recipient of his knee-jerk, irrational attacks;
but I can't say that I haven't found a *trace* of sanity in
what he says. He is, you know, a product of Scientology.
I'm not surprised at his extreme volatility -- I experience
it myself at times, and attribute it to the feeling that
I've been betrayed by promises from Scientology
which the leaders know cannot be delivered. Promises
that I believed in for an 18 - 19 year period of my life.
NoGoot
Bev
RonsAmigo wrote:
> >Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
> >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
> >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
> Are you people proud of this lunatic?
I am neither proud nor ashamed of Roland. As far as branding him a
lunatic, look at some of your own writings.
Critics on this NG have taken Roland and other critics to task quite
a few times.
Not once has any Co$ rep EVER taken another Co$ rep to task for their
bouts of "lunacy", not once. Sit down and have a hot cocoa, be good
to yourself and let those veins in your temples get back down to
size.
> How many of you find even a trace of sanity in this madman's rant?
Do you mean Roland? When you use the term "madman" that could quite
easily and understandably be confused with L. Ron Hubbard. If you
are talking about Roland, I don't agree with his sentiments.
Of course, I also know that Roland was a member of Co$ and exposed
to the extreme reactiveness that is so pervasive in that atmosphere,
and that is a hard thing for people to break when they get out of
the Co$.
I also know tht Roland got his face beaten and punched several times
by a Co$ member at a peaceful picket. (peaceful on the part of the
CRITICS that is).
Let me ask you and the other Co$ members who read a.r.s., how many of
you found even a trace of sanity in that Co$ madman's actions?
Are you Co$ members proud of him beating a critic?
How come no objections were raised by any Co$ members when Roland
was beaten by a fellow Co$ member?
Hey, if you try to hold all critics accountable for the actions of one
critic, then it is only reasonable that all Co$ members should be
held accountable for the actions of one Co$ member.
Or isn't that the way you had planned on playing this game you
started here?
> Just curious?
Just curious.
Beverly
NoGoot
>Let me ask you and the other Co$ members who read a.r.s., how many of
you
>found even a trace of sanity in that Co$ madman's actions?
Are you Co$
>members proud of him beating a critic?
How come no objections were raised by
>any Co$ members when Roland
was beaten by a fellow Co$ member?
Hey, if you
>try to hold all critics accountable for the actions of one
critic, then it is
>only reasonable that all Co$ members should be
held accountable for the
>actions of one Co$ member.
Or isn't that the way you had planned on playing
>this game you
started here?
> Just curious?
Just curious.
Beverly
Excellent turnabout, Beverly. How does the saying go: "Turnabout is Fair
Play". I think so.
NoGoot
Sorry, I forgot to reformat my first post of this:
In article <349C45...@iag.net>, Bev <dbj...@iag.net> writes:
>Let me ask you and the other Co$ members who read a.r.s., how many of you
found even a trace of sanity in that Co$ madman's actions?<
>Are you Co$ members proud of him beating a critic?<
>How come no objections were raised by any Co$ members when Roland was beaten
by a fellow Co$ member?<
>Hey, if you try to hold all critics accountable for the actions of one critic,
then it is only reasonable that all Co$ members should be held accountable for
the actions of one Co$ member.<
>Or isn't that the way you had planned on playing this game you started here? <
Martin Hunt
In article <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rons...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) wrote:
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
Hubbard really was quite the flake, wasn't he.
How do you explain his insane behaviour to yourself? Or does
the fact of the workability of the tech to your mind just allow
you to gloss over Hubbard's weird paranoia, drug use, screaming
apoplectic fits, etc.?
Are you happy with the way he died, 75, obese, sick as shit?
Strokes, a lump on his forehead, heart attacks? Not very OT.
More a chain-smoking carny operator, talking about the
"customers", how to bilk the missions out of more money,
how to run and hide from the Fed...how to get rid of
infestations of Body Thetans.
Hey, Ron's A; how're your Body Thetans doing? You're above
OT III, right? You believe in Xenu and all that weird shit.
Are you *really* one to be talking about lunacy? :-)
--
Cogito, ergo sum. FAQs: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
"I don't 'think' anymore. I mean, it's actually an effort to go back
down into that level again." - Success story from "P.S.", an OT V.
Walt
RonsAmigo wrote:
> >Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
> >
> >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
> >
> >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
> <snip>
>
> Are you people proud of this lunatic?
> How many of you find even a trace of
> sanity in this madman's rant?
> Just curious?
>
> Amigo
Yeah, you are a curious specimen. Consider this. An infant uses
emotion to signal it's needs. An adult uses such signals in more
exploitative ways, learning to use affection or anger as a social coin
in trade for various accommodations. For example, one can pretend to be
angry or pleased, or even threaten or promise to become angry or pleased
under certain future circumstances. I think the guy doesn't want any
"clams" to assault him again physically, and he is making an emotional
appeal for them not to do it again. No "clams" have ever assaulted me
physically, but if they did, I would probably make some kind of angry
response, maybe even an insane rant. According to Minsky, adults have
passed through too many stages of development to remember or understand
how their emotional selves were constructed. That is why analyzing
emotions is not really worth the effort. So, for my part, I'll just say
this. Dear Clams, please don't ever assault me like you did Keith
Henson, or even approach me as you have with other Alcor members. Don't
hand leaflets out to my neighbors (this isn't a neighborhood in the
usual sense, leaflets would get a very bad response), and do not
approach my friends or relatives. Consider that if you make enough
people angry, emotional rants against your group will be considered the
social norm, and not mad at all.
Walt Parkman
David Gerard
:>I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
:>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
:Are you people proud of this lunatic?
:How many of you find even a trace of
:sanity in this madman's rant?
:Just curious?
I'm sure Roland knows applause when he hears it: The Snapping of the
Clams.
Compuv
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
In a word, RonsAmigo - no, I don't condone Roland's outburst. I can understand
it though. The guy is obviously an animal-lover and this event has triggered
his anger along with the frustration of knowing he can't do anything about it.
Perhaps on reflection he would have made his post more objective.
Can I ask you a straight question too? Do you condone the actions of those who
left someone's dead pet on a critic's doorstep?
Dave SP1
StukaFox
Pathetic Clam Shill <rons...@aol.com> wrote:
: Are you people proud of this lunatic?
I am, you sad sack of shit. I'm always proud when I see someone
raise a voice against the outrages of your employer's stinking
scam. There's anger in his voice. Anger's a powerful motivator.
The more you piss people off, the harder they fight, the more
personal sacrafices they're willing to make. Anger's an annealing
force. Anger brings people from the sidelines into the game.
Anger makes participants out of observers. That's why I want
the stupid bastards who run the Scam Called Scientology to just
keep pissing people off, left and right. The madder people
get, the more prone to action they become.
Look what the Ho's badly-advised RMGROUP bought you stupid
bastards: thousands of people like myself who never gave
a shit about your scummy scam are now giving of their time,
their income and their selves to stop Scientology from
continuing to scam people out of their money. Anyone else
who had two braincells would have figured this out and backed
off, letting the whole thing blow over. But not Scientology!
Your backward, bankrupt tech leads you right down the road
to self destruction, both for your followers and your whole
organization. Scientology saw its own funeral pyre and said
"We'll teach those bastards who lit this! We'll put out their
fire with gasoline!"
What's it feel like, belonging to the organizational equivilent
of John Grubor?
Your whole role here, Amigo, is simply to make more enemies and
bring more people over to our side. You're the greatest
recruiting tool we've ever had. Never stop posting. Thank you.
StukaFox
--
"I hate all you Nazis, and THIS SUMMER I AM GOING TO BREAK SOME NAZI
SKULLS AND IF THE COPS WANT TO COME AND STOP ME -- THEY WILL SOON FIND
THEMSELVES WITH BULLETHOLES IN THEIR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-- Net-Tantrum courtesy Tiny Timmy Brown (bath...@iglou.com)
William Barwell
In article <349d383a...@news2.lightlink.com>, Keith <@teleport.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:53:36 GMT, with a msg-id of
><349f92f3....@news.snafu.de>
> \til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr),
>>
>>>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>>
>>he was a scientologist, so it is no wonder that he is still somewhat
>>mentally ill. Scientology makes people mentally ill.
>>
>
>
>Keith
Reading your posts.
What happened to Gertie's brain Wyatt? MikeSmith3? Erin?
Quite a crew the Scientologists have here.
It doesn't look good...
Keith Henson
Compuv (com...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <19971220064...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
: rons...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) wrote:
: >Are you people proud of this lunatic?
: >How many of you find even a trace of
: >sanity in this madman's rant?
: In a word, RonsAmigo - no, I don't condone Roland's outburst. I can
: understand it though. The guy is obviously an animal-lover and this event
: has triggered his anger along with the frustration of knowing he can't do
: anything about it. Perhaps on reflection he would have made his post more
: objective.
Given the provacation and the total lack of condemnation by scientology
supporters for killing pets as a method to intimidate critics, I think
Roland may have been over restrained in his response.
: Can I ask you a straight question too? Do you condone the actions of
: those who left someone's dead pet on a critic's doorstep?
Of course Amigo does, anything is ok to further the huborg. But will he
say so? I doubt he will respond at all. Keith Henson
Rebecca Hartong
Roland wrote in message <349DAD...@virgin.net>...
>Ceon Ramon wrote:
>> rantings. You do not speak for me and I do not endorse one word of your
>> post.
>
>Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many of your posts.
>
>How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
>Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
>perhaps?
>
>Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
LOL!!!!! Well... there you have it!
Ceon Ramon is a Scientologist--or at the very least a Scientology apologist.
Roland has spoken! Martin? Are you seeing this? You recently asked for an
example of a critic being declared "a Scientologist" for the heinous act of
publicly disagreeing with another critic's tactics. Here you go!
Roland, Roland, Roland... and what can we say about you? Hell, it's not
necessary to say anything about you.
Roland
Ceon Ramon wrote:
>
> In article <349B0B...@virgin.net>,
> Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
> >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
> >
> >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
>
> Listen, I don't care who apologizes to whom for the dead cat --which is an
> unresolved and probably unresolveable issue. But I have to say I take
> exception to your message. You are doing no one, least of all yourself,
> any favors with these self-indulgent tantrums of hate and vindictiveness.
> I feel that as a critic I must publicly disassociate myself from your
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't make me fucking laugh.
> rantings. You do not speak for me and I do not endorse one word of your
> post.
Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many of your posts.
How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
perhaps?
Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
Roland
Ceon Ramon
In article <349DAD...@virgin.net>,
Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>Ceon Ramon wrote:
>>
>> In article <349B0B...@virgin.net>,
>> Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>> >
>> >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>>
>> ...and other good wishes for the holidays, brought to us by Roland.
>> rantings. You do not speak for me and I do not endorse one word of your
>> post.
>
>Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many of your posts.
Actually, Roland, if I were a public scientologist lurking or posting
here to examine criticism of my organization, I'd be convinced by posts
like yours that what I was told about critics was right: they're raving
lunatics who have nothing but hate in their hearts. And if I were an
OSA-type I'd be absolutely delighted with you, for much the same reasons.
In either case it's unlike that I would write suggesting you seek
psychological counseling. :-)
>How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
Ah, when shall we three meet again? :-)
>Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
>perhaps?
The only thing I direct to Dennis is good will and my very best wishes for
his complete and utter triumph over the CoS in 1998.
>
>Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
And a very merry Christmas to you, laddie.
--Barbara
timj...@werple.net.au
In article <349B0B...@virgin.net>,
roland.rash...@virgin.net wrote:
>
> I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>
> Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
> a critic called Bob Minton by killing a neighbour's cat and
> leaving it on his doorstep.
Yeah Roland, that's right, so fuck with us and Little Fluffie
is gonna get it, right in the neck.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Regards,
Tim
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William Barwell
In article <882785709....@dejanews.com>,
<timj...@werple.net.au> wrote:
>In article <349B0B...@virgin.net>,
> roland.rash...@virgin.net wrote:
>>
>> I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>
>> Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>>
>> Recently your scumbag OSA organisation decided to intimidate
>> a critic called Bob Minton by killing a neighbour's cat and
>> leaving it on his doorstep.
>
>Yeah Roland, that's right, so fuck with us and Little Fluffie
>is gonna get it, right in the neck.
>
>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
strangling her. Yet.
Martin Hunt
In article <515a32f...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>,
Sister Clara <cl...@holsoft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many of your posts.
>
>Another one for your collection, Martin. Another long standing critic accused
>of being on OSA's side. But wait, it gets even better!
Er, "you are on their side" does not equate to calling a person OSA
for expressing an opinion contrary to the "Party Line"; sorry, but
I want something more exact entered into evidence. :-)
Also, calling Barbara a "long standing critic" is a bit of a stretch,
don't you think? Does she consider herself a critic, for starters?
I haven't seen her say all that many things about Scientology that
I would consider critical. Ceon's more of a fence-sitter on the
whole question of whether Scientology is truly evil and whether
something should be done about, IMO, from my POV, no insult intended
to her or to you. What's a "critic", as above? Er, well, someone who
criticizes Scientology, I suppose. Someone who points out its
flaws and errors. Someone who exposes its true nature. Let's be
blunt; someone who attacks Scientology, who makes Scientology a
target for the reason of the cult's nature, of the leadership
of the cult's intentions and actions against critics, journalists,
ex members, and so forth. I'd have no trouble calling Dennis
Erlich, Ted Mayett, Roland, Gregg, Arnie, and many other here
"critics". I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that term with Ceon,
as her position is not so clear-cut, at least to me.
Anyway, this is all bullshit; I've waited a week for a shred of
evidence for the mythical Dianism "Party Line", and nothing has
been produced. I declare victory in this debate, pending actual
evidence, and move on. Ta ta!
Martin Hunt
In article <67kcm5$8...@snews1.zippo.com>,
"Rebecca Hartong" <har...@erols.com> wrote:
>LOL!!!!! Well... there you have it!
>Ceon Ramon is a Scientologist--or at the very least a Scientology apologist.
>Roland has spoken! Martin? Are you seeing this? You recently asked for an
>example of a critic being declared "a Scientologist" for the heinous act of
>publicly disagreeing with another critic's tactics. Here you go!
Can you post where I specifically asked for this, please? I don't
believe you've got it right. There was something about OSA and a
mythical "Party Line", my *main* disagreement, as I recall. I fail
to see either in the above. Hey, I've blown up at Barbara in the
past too; it's hardly proof of the absurd claims about "Party Lines"
and all the other capitalized epithets and constructions...
This, to me, looks like an ordinary flame war between a couple
hot-heads, and hardly provides evidence for the claims made. <shrug>
Is Roland one of the mythical "In Group"? If so, I think it's only
fair to point out that almost every single main poster here has
disagreed with him at one time or another, including myself. I see
a great number of such disagreements going on right now over one
particular hot-headed post. And now, enough of this bullshit; I've
got some serious suppression to get done before X-mas! :-)
(Jeez; you ask for a shred of proof for an absurd claim around
here, and you get gang-bang sec-checked by the witch's coven!
(jk)).
ttyl,
martin.
Rebecca Hartong
Martin Hunt wrote in message ...
>Is Roland one of the mythical "In Group"? If so, I think it's only
>fair to point out that almost every single main poster here has
>disagreed with him at one time or another, including myself. I see
>a great number of such disagreements going on right now over one
>particular hot-headed post. And now, enough of this bullshit; I've
>got some serious suppression to get done before X-mas! :-)
Your point is well taken.
Actually, though Ron Newman mentioned in a post a week or so ago that I'd
been called OSA for disagreeing with other critics, I don't recall that ever
happening. Maybe it did and I've just forgotten. It's definitely happened
to Diane, though.
>(Jeez; you ask for a shred of proof for an absurd claim around
>here, and you get gang-bang sec-checked by the witch's coven!
>(jk)).
Hand me some of that Eye of Newt before you leave.
Tilman Hausherr
In <349DAD...@virgin.net>, Roland
<roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
>Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
>perhaps?
>
>Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
Roland, you seem to be an anti-social person per scientology: you attack
the wrong target.
Tilman
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Joe Harrington
Roland wrote:
> > >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
> > >
> > >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
> >
> >
> > unresolved and probably unresolveable issue. But I have to say I take
> > exception to your message. You are doing no one, least of all yourself,
> > any favors with these self-indulgent tantrums of hate and vindictiveness.
> > I feel that as a critic I must publicly disassociate myself from your
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Don't make me fucking laugh.
>
> > post.
>
>
> Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
> perhaps?
>
> Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
>
> Roland
Roland,
I hope you will take some time over the holidays to reflect on your
inner rage and your outward expression of it, and do a little soul
searching.
I don't think your views in any way express any type of consensus in
this newsgroup, and I pray you find some peace in your heart.
Joe
Paul
Roland wrote:
> Ceon Ramon wrote:
> > In article <349B0B...@virgin.net>,
> > Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
> > >I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
> > >
> > >Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
> >
> > ...and other good wishes for the holidays, brought to us by Roland.
> >
> > Listen, I don't care who apologizes to whom for the dead cat --which is an
> > unresolved and probably unresolveable issue. But I have to say I take
> > exception to your message. You are doing no one, least of all yourself,
> > any favors with these self-indulgent tantrums of hate and vindictiveness.
> > I feel that as a critic I must publicly disassociate myself from your
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Don't make me fucking laugh.
I've read her posts, Roland; she qualifies.
> > rantings. You do not speak for me and I do not endorse one word of your
> > post.
>
> Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many of your posts.
Bullshit.
> How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
> Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
> perhaps?
>
> Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
Jesus Christ, Roland, will you get a grip? I completely agree with Ceon
on this one; your post was way out of line. Are you going to call me a
"clam" now? Or claim that I'm on "their side"?
OSA just loves posts like yours, because they can use them to paint all
critics as "hate-filled bigots". They can also use them as evidence in
court when they try to get TRO's or to block picket attempts because of
fear of violence.
You have no reason to listen to me and I'm sure you'll tell me to FOAD,
too but, damnit, if you really care about the crusade you're on, you'll
stop posting shit like this.
-Paul
Paper Tiger
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In Message-ID: <VIin0Mdl...@islandnet.com>,
mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
[snip]
>Also, calling Barbara a "long standing critic" is a bit of a stretch,
>don't you think?
She's posted 907 articles since August 1995. Is that long enough?
Jesus, Martin, it's not what I'd call a great example of a critic
being hammered for an unpopular opinion, but do you have to be so
nit-picky about it? Is this gonna turn into one of those
Whippersnapper-ish dictionary threads?
>Does she consider herself a critic, for starters?
Sheesh.
[snip]
>Anyway, this is all bullshit; I've waited a week for a shred of
>evidence for the mythical Dianism "Party Line", and nothing has
>been produced.
I haven't seen anything nearly as clear-cut as last year's "Dennie"
episode, but rest assured I'll let you know when I do.
Did you miss the reply to Ron Newman I made last week, BTW, listing
all the various things you accused Clara of being over her opinions
on the German situation? What were your thoughts on that?
>I declare victory in this debate, pending actual
>evidence, and move on. Ta ta!
Don't ever change, Martin.
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David Gerard
Gasp!
Hello, Tim. I promise not to make a 'get a life' comment. ;-)
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Conner
On 20 Dec 1997 06:44:11 GMT, in message
>>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net>
>
>>
>>I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>
>>Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>
><snip>
>
>Are you people proud of this lunatic?
>How many of you find even a trace of
>sanity in this madman's rant?
>Just curious?
>
you know, amigo, he asked a couple of questions
you might think about answering, before you try
to hold him up as your own caricature of what ars
is.
like 'what scientologist has posted to condemn
the killing of the cat left on minton's doorstep'.
or like condemning the message of intimidation
that the dead cat was apparently intended to
convey.
i note that you didn't do either of these. you just
tried to make it an attack on roland. kinda like
your message to steve keller. you sort of sugar
coated it a bit at first. but it was obvious your
real intention was simply to hurt, when you could
do nothing else.
are these scientology's ethics, amigo? to hurt,
to attack. somehow i think they are.
and what will you think, i wonder, when you realize
you've been gypped of $100K or so of money, and
several years of your life, by a lying con religion.
maybe you'll be a touch angry, too.
and maybe by then, a bit 'touched' by scientology
ethics, so that your only response is to lash out.
some time ago we had a discussion her on ars that
talked about how people lost years of their lives in
scn, and when they came out, they were just simply
behind. behind in emotional growth, behind in decis-
iveness, behind in being an adult human being, because
none of those things were part of scientology.
maybe that's roland's situation. i would guess not,
though i don't know him. i'd guess he's just out to
tweak noses, in his own way.
and though his style is not mine, i'd guess he's tweaked
yours a tiny bit. and after the heller post, you deserve
it. so good on him.
let me know when you think killing the cat was
a bad thing. maybe i 'll care about it then.
-- see...@ix.netcom.com (Conner, nee Number 3)
Note: the header address is wrong!
Friends of Dennis Erlich Club (www.netcom.com/~seekon/friends.html)
Martin Hunt
In article <67louh$s...@snews1.zippo.com>,
"Rebecca Hartong" <har...@erols.com> wrote:
>Your point is well taken.
>Actually, though Ron Newman mentioned in a post a week or so ago that I'd
>been called OSA for disagreeing with other critics, I don't recall that ever
>happening. Maybe it did and I've just forgotten. It's definitely happened
>to Diane, though.
It happened to me, too, and I've saved the proof and added it into
my vanity sig, according to arscc vormal code of order iii-S7:
Ex-Scn and proud to be a Wog, FAQ maintainer, Member - ars moderation
team, Black Hat #4 (AS, CAN), The Jester, J&D #1, Fearless Leader, KoX,
1.1, Sally's loverboy, Enturbulator, the Royal We, little Hitler, keeper
of the sacred C word, read OT III and didn't get pneumonia, multiple
Kobringram recipient, Merchant of Chaos, OSA INT ARS Project I/C, Critic,
Hate Monger, DB, copyright terrorist, Original ARS Bigot, in the front
of the bus (with an ARS babe on my lap), Studmuffin of ars, Basher, Homo
Sap, Meatball, Cancelled from ARS, OSA File# 700167r, Two-Faced Liar,
FO-SP, KoH, KL 24, GGBC Institutional Case, Founder-ARSCC, lead balloon
PMS winner, item j on cult's search-term hit list in Grady case, DA
target, word-twister, Alpha Male, master troller, ARSCC books project
I/C, KBM, leading suppressive, SP 5, PC minion, another OSA plant,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fair use censored by $cientology, ARShole, Official Groupthinker,
Usenet Neo-Nazi, Grady mouth case, One Third Hunt, part-time volunteer
consulting Swedish supervisor, Hate-Seller of the Month candidate,
double registered ho-gram recipient, KFBG, punch-drunk ars addict,
Diane Groupie, Official ARS Mythologizer, member: Anticult-Cult, as
seen on radio, Ringmaster, outstanding idiot and bigot, a dozen more
forgotten - 10,000+ ars posts.
Of course, Diane herself is responsible for a few of these labels. :-)
Martin Hunt
In article <c13426f...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>,
Sister Clara <cl...@holsoft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
>> It happened to me, too, and I've saved the proof and added it into
>> my vanity sig, according to arscc vormal code of order iii-S7:
>
>I thought that had been superceded? Oh well, no matter.
Gak; "vormal"? Damned keyboard thetans!
>> Enturbulator, the Royal We, little Hitler, keeper of the sacred C word,
>
>Hmm. Been letting that last honour slip recently...
I don't get no respect.
>> leading suppressive, SP 5, PC minion, another OSA plant,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I wish I knew who gave you that label.
I'll have to search my archives; I try to keep all label-profering
posts for just such occasions.
>> Official ARS Mythologizer, member: Anticult-Cult,
>
>Bernie by any chance?
That would be the one.
>Hmmm. Methinks a competition should be in the offing :-)
E-Meters at twenty paces some golden dawn?
Hey, I came across a book about Jack Parsons! Quite recent;
incidentally mentions LRH. I'll post more about it after I've
read it, see if there's anything good in there. He really was
a handsome chap, and a most interesting genius to boot; I have
no idea how Hubbard could have stolen Sara away from him...
Sara spoke fondly of Parsons many years later. I think she deeply
regretted ditching him for that usless, abusive asshole, "Ron"
Hubbard.
--
Cogito, ergo sum. FAQs: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
"But regardless how hard the going is for us critics in the face
of entrenched evil, as Winston Churchill said once that these are
not the dark days, but rather the great days. They are great because
the cult is giving each of us an opportunity to find out the depth
of our love of freedom." - Grady Ward.
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Michael Reuss
> Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>> Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>> I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>> Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
If there is a Hell, it wouldn't be your job to decide on its ultimate
inhabitants, Roland.
>Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many of your posts.
>How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
>Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth directed at Dennis Erlich
>perhaps?
There was no mention of Dennis in the post you responded to.
>Fuck off and die you Clam scumbag.
This is very distasteful, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, Roland.
From my vantage point, your anger does not serve you well. I think you
ought to learn to control it. That should even come ahead of your
opposing the Co$.
--
Michael Reuss (remove nospam from address to reply by e-mail)
Honorary Kid
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <34af95fa...@news.frii.com>, Michael Reuss writes:
>Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>Rebecca Hartong(?):
>>|Roland<roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>|>
>>|> I've got a Christmas message to all Scientologists:
>>|> Rot in Hell You Scumbag Clams!!
>>Of course not. You are on their side as evidenced by many
>>of your posts.
>>How are your fellow witches, Diane and Sister Clara getting on?
>>Might we see a re-enactment of MacBeth
Actually I've got a three witches parody somewhere: I'm saving
it up to post in the spring with other new songs & stuff.
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