Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
Tilman Hausherr
Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
The Tampa Tribune
18.9.1993
By ABDON M. PALLASCH
Tribune Staff Writer
CLEARWATER -- Church of Scientology officials are installing
concealed cameras and microphones in at least 69 counseling rooms where
church members reveal their innermost thoughts, a church spokesman
confirms.
What transpires behind the closed doors of an auditing session --
one-on-one counseling -- is as confidential as a confession from a
parishioner to a priest in the Roman Catholic Church, said Scientology
spokesman Richard Haworth.
"It's subject to what's called the priest-penitent privilege,"
Haworth said.
Occasionally, be said, sessions are videotaped to be reviewed by a
senior auditor. That review helps the auditor perfect his techniques.
The person being audited must consent to being taped, he said.
"It's quality control -- It's not an unusual thing." Haworth said.
Clearwater's downtown Fort Harrison Hotel is home to the
international spiritual headquarters of the Church of Scientology, a
religion founded by the late science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.
None of the current auditing rooms on the first floor of the hotel
is equipped for video or audio taping. A video recorder must be wheeled
in, Haworth said, and that can be an obtrusive presence.
That's why the video cameras -- two in each room -- will be hidden
above the ceiling and the microphones will be placed in the molding
along the walls of auditing rooms being fashioned from former
hotel rooms on the fourth and firth floors, Haworth said.
"Somebody sticks a microphone in front of you and you're mike-shy,"
Haworth said. "The reason the rooms are being re-done is so they're a
better physical environment for the counseling to take place."
Blueprints on file with the city's building code division show
detailed plans for an extensive electronic audio-visual system at the
hotel and at the downtown Clearwater Building, also owned by the church.
To people in the auditing room, the cameras concealed above the
ceiling would appear to be a light fixture, city Building Code Analyst
Kevin Garriott said as he examined the blueprints.
In the Clearwater Building, one camera would be aimed at a chair;
the other at both the auditor and person being audited from a profile
position, blueprints show.
The Fort Harrison blueprints show how the cables from all the
auditing rooms on the fourth and fifth floors hook up to VCRs and
television monitors on the third floor.
Officials at the city's building department approved the plans be-
cause they violate no city codes. "I have never heard of this before,
other than in a bank or in a grocery store," said Clearwater
Planning and Zoning Director Jim Polatty.
Plans for the Clearwater Building, which the church also is
remodeling, call for at least four "Look/Listen In System" auditing
rooms on the second floor with hidden cameras and microphones
mounted under desk tops.
Videotaping people without their consent is legal in Florida,
experts say. Banks and supermarkets use hidden cameras.
Audiotaping someone without consent would violate state law, said
David Audlin, chief assistant state-wide prosecutor in Tallahassee.
Haworth said he didn't know if written consent forms are used, but
people give at least verbal consent before being taped.
Ted Mayett (KoX)
On 9 Aug 1997 06:36:32 -0700, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
wrote:
>Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
>
>The Tampa Tribune
>18.9.1993
>
> Videotaping people without their consent is legal in Florida,
>experts say. Banks and supermarkets use hidden cameras.
>
> Audiotaping someone without consent would violate state law, said
>David Audlin, chief assistant state-wide prosecutor in Tallahassee.
>
So too in the Vegas casino's. Video taping is allowed,
audio taping was turned down. (but they tried)
--
Ted Mayett OT 1.1
http://xenu.phys.uit.no/cgi-bin/globloc.cgi
Warrior
In article <347f5e2a...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de says...
>
>Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
On a related note, L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Scientology cult
ordered on July 5, 1974, in LRH ED 236 Int, entitled "Registration
Program No.2" that "listen-in devices" were to be installed in the
desks of "registrars" (salespeople). The devices consisted of concealed
microphones in the desks of the salespersons (registrars), with wires
leading to another office where the conversations could be monitored by
another staff member. Often this monitoring was done by another registrar,
the executive director, or the "cramming officer" (one whose duty it is
to see to "correction" of staff who make mistakes).
This LRH ED was revised on February 13, 1981, and issued as LRH ED
236R "Registration Program No.2R". The order from Hubbard to install
"listen-in devices" was not removed from the issue when it was revised.
In fact the order was re-issued as part of the revised issue.
On January 11, 1983, the original LRH ED 236 Int was fully restored
by another LRH ED, which is LRH ED 345 Int, entitled "LRH ED LINE USE".
These listen-in devices were installed for the stated purpose of
enabling "correction" of Scientology's salespersons who were engaged
in trying to hard-sell Scientology services to "prospects" (in Scientology
terminology, this is someone with money) who have shown an interest in
"services".
In *practice*, the listen-in devices were usually used ALSO as a
method of monitoring the conversation between the registrar and the
prospect, so that if the registrar was having trouble "closing the sale",
another salesperson could "tag" or "double-team" and assist in handling
the person's objections. The end result of this of course was to get the
"prospect" to pay MONEY to Scientology.
I wonder whether this violates local laws of various states. This
practice, as ordered by Hubbard in LRH ED 236 Int, with regards to
the installation and use of listen-in devices was in use *world-wide*
by Scientology since at least 1974.
I have witnessed many staff using the listen-in system for purposes
other than what was stated in the LRH ED.
With regards to taping "auditing sessions", this practice has
been in use in Scientology organizations across the world since
at least 1963. The cult center I worked for had video cameras
installed in various rooms which were used for "confessional
auditing", "sec checks", and other types of "counselling sessions".
Warrior
> Videotaping people without their consent is legal in Florida,
>experts say. Banks and supermarkets use hidden cameras.
>
> Audiotaping someone without consent would violate state law, said
>David Audlin, chief assistant state-wide prosecutor in Tallahassee.
>
Tom Klemesrud
Ted Mayett (KoX) (te...@skylink.net) wrote:
: On 9 Aug 1997 06:36:32 -0700, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
: wrote:
: >Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
: >
: >The Tampa Tribune
: >18.9.1993
: >
: > Videotaping people without their consent is legal in Florida,
: >experts say. Banks and supermarkets use hidden cameras.
: >
: > Audiotaping someone without consent would violate state law, said
: >David Audlin, chief assistant state-wide prosecutor in Tallahassee.
: >
: So too in the Vegas casino's. Video taping is allowed,
: audio taping was turned down. (but they tried)
Yes, but Bill Clinton doesn't go confessing his sins at the crap table.
Tom Klemesrud SP6
KoX
(He professes his crap at the sins table:)
roger gonnet
Tom Klemesrud wrote:
>
> Ted Mayett (KoX) (te...@skylink.net) wrote:
> : On 9 Aug 1997 06:36:32 -0700, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman
> Hausherr)
> : wrote:
>
> : >Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
> : >
> : >The Tampa Tribune
> : >18.9.1993
> : >
>
> : > Videotaping people without their consent is legal in Florida,
> : >experts say. Banks and supermarkets use hidden cameras.
> : >
> : > Audiotaping someone without consent would violate state law,
> said
> : >David Audlin, chief assistant state-wide prosecutor in Tallahassee.
> : >
>
> : So too in the Vegas casino's. Video taping is allowed,
> : audio taping was turned down. (but they tried)
What is perhaps illegal is black-mailing them with the tape, no, as
hubbard did as well as his pet-adepts. It is probably illegal as well to
register written confessions (meaning often nothing, when you know how
much of that is plain overrun in fact)
>
> Yes, but Bill Clinton doesn't go confessing his sins at the crap
> table.
He's he gambling?
Jeffrey L. Bell
In a previous article, Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>
> Blueprints on file with the city's building code division show
>detailed plans for an extensive electronic audio-visual system at the
>hotel and at the downtown Clearwater Building, also owned by the church.
>
> To people in the auditing room, the cameras concealed above the
>ceiling would appear to be a light fixture, city Building Code Analyst
>Kevin Garriott said as he examined the blueprints.
Sounds like a good picket handout.
-Jeff Bell
Cornelius Krasel
Warrior (war...@electrotex.com) wrote:
> In article <347f5e2a...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de says...
> >Scientologists concealing cameras while counseling
>
> On a related note, L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Scientology cult
> ordered on July 5, 1974, in LRH ED 236 Int, entitled "Registration
> Program No.2" that "listen-in devices" were to be installed in the
> desks of "registrars" (salespeople).
Here are some relevant excerpts.
--Cornelius.
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/* Cornelius Krasel, U Wuerzburg, Dept. of Pharmacology, Versbacher Str. 9 */
/* D-97078 Wuerzburg, Germany email: pha...@rzbox.uni-wuerzburg.de SP3 */
/* "Science is the game we play with God to find out what His rules are." */
L. Ron Hubbard
EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE
LRH ED 236 INT
5 July 1974
Cancels all LRH ED 159 INT Series Reissued 22.10.82
_URGENT_
_IMPORTANT_
(LRH Comm to Get Done Fast)
To: C/Os, EDs, all Registrars,
Dissem Secs, Dist Secs,
Ltr Regs, ARC Brk Regs,
Phone Regs, Tours I/Cs,
Tours Personnel, any and
all Execs and Staff
concerned with any public
sales or money collection
From: RON
Subject: _REGISTRATION PGM NO. 2_
[snip]
A situation exists in some orgs where sales are very low.
A second situation exists in several orgs where only very tiny
payments are made by the public on the "sales" that are made.
Data is that many orgs have been without Reges. This was
under handling by the LRH Comm network getting in LRH ED 234
INT and a general push to get Reges on post.
Further data is that Big League Sales has not been pushed
for a year.
The Why of this scene is that Reges are not closing be-
cause they do not know or do not use Big League Sales.
To handle this it is necessary to activate the tech given
in the above references and to get it checked out and patrolled
so that it is actually and properly used.
[snip]
This program will bring you expansion and a prosperous
org.
[snip a list]
34. Have Reception or the Reg's Communicator keep a log
of all persons interviewed. Have each marked where
a service is sold and paid for. Give I&R the job
of going over these logs and getting the ratio of
interviews to sold for each Reg. This is a SALES %
RECORD. Have these graphs made up and posted each
week near the crew notice board out of public but
in staff view. HAS _________
[snip]
39. Have an electronic system installed in the org with
a mike that looks like a calendar or ornament on
the Reg's desk and a listen-in switch-board system
in the ED's office so he can overhear at any time
any interview in progress. Have a tape recorder
that can plug in to the box and tape any interview.
This is a duplicate of the listen-in system that
cured bad auditing in DC before C/Ses existed.
C/O OR ED _________
40. Tell Reges that if any excellent interview is taped
it will be sent to Flag and commended.
C/O OR ED _________
41. Have the phone company hook a phone listen-only
connection to the Phone Reg's phones and available
in the ED's office so that at any time a phone
interview can be monitored but not interrupted.
C/O OR ED _________
[snip]
Good luck and prosperity.
The planet _is_ ours.
Grow up big enough to handle it.
L. RON HUBBARD
FOUNDER
Adopted as Official
CSI:LRH:clb:bk:iw Church Policy by the
Copyright (c) 1974, 1982
by L. Ron Hubbard CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED INTERNATIONAL
Future808
As a side note to all this, I have posted before but thought I would bring
up again. All of the auditing rooms at Flag have both video and voice
transmissions which are sent to the Snr C/S office, where they can monitor
the sessions.
This is done to "ensure standard tech" but I wonder about that.
For those of you who have not had auditing, one of the commands given
before the start of the auditing session is "Is this room ok to audit in"?
I wonder what would happen if the PC (pre-clear, person recieveing
auditing) said, "Sure, just turn off the cameras".
Would they do the session?
I once had a student auditor who want to tape my Sec-Check session so that
"the C/S could check the auditor's TRs". I said absolutely not, and a 15
minute conversation ensued, in which the auditor tried to "handle me" on
this. I steadfastly refused, and eventually the session was done with no
tape recording.
Mr. Ex-CMO
Warrior
In article <19970815202...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, futu...@aol.com
says...
I wonder if there was a hidden videocam on Lisa McPherson while
she was held in isolation at Flag?
Warrior
jbwebb
Warrior wrote:
>>
> >I once had a student auditor who want to tape my Sec-Check session so that
> >"the C/S could check the auditor's TRs". I said absolutely not, and a 15
> >minute conversation ensued, in which the auditor tried to "handle me" on
> >this. I steadfastly refused, and eventually the session was done with no
> >tape recording.
> >
>
> she was held in isolation at Flag?
Interesting. Very interesting. Immediately, I would have to say no just
because they took such copious notes. Interesting. On reflection, I
would say "yes."
I wonder if any "videotapes" were subpoened? Someone needs to alert the
lawyers about this. I'm sure they probably thought of it already, but it
doesn't hurt to second guess them.
Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft's resident "genius" has a theory that in the
near future, everything will be videotaped or recorded. Everyone will
carry around this miniature computer that will document our lives from
birth to death. The savings in insurance money, (medical, workman's
comp, accidental death, etc) and police detective work will be enormous.
These tapes will serve as a sort of autobiography, diary, and/or
insurance policy. Lisa probably missed these benefits by around 25
years. Well, MAYBE she did.
Take care
Joni
>
roger gonnet
David Gerard wrote:
>
> On 19 Aug 1997 00:58:25 +1000,
> Frank Copeland <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
> :jbwebb <jbw...@gramercy.ios.com> wrote:
>
> :>Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft's resident "genius" has a theory that in
> the
> :>near future, everything will be videotaped or recorded. Everyone
> will
> :>carry around this miniature computer that will document our lives
> from
> :>birth to death. The savings in insurance money, (medical, workman's
> :>comp, accidental death, etc) and police detective work will be
> enormous.
> surveillance
> :in the name of saving money and police time sends a chill through me
> far
> :colder than the thought of a $cientology controlled planet.
hey, don't forget that this "computer programmed" being is already a
fact in scientology; honnie el robbie had everything on folders about
the people, ann i'd not be surprised that actually, most of the
sensitive staffs are already entirely on computer files; for the moment,
staff do not have a computer on them - or an electronical leash like
prisoner in case that they want to blow from scam - but...
Roger
Frank Copeland
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jbwebb <jbw...@gramercy.ios.com> wrote:
>Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft's resident "genius" has a theory that in the
>near future, everything will be videotaped or recorded. Everyone will
>carry around this miniature computer that will document our lives from
>birth to death. The savings in insurance money, (medical, workman's
>comp, accidental death, etc) and police detective work will be enormous.
I don't know about you, but the thought of universal ubiquitous surveillance
in the name of saving money and police time sends a chill through me far
colder than the thought of a $cientology controlled planet. You can at least
spoof an e-meter. Fuck the insurance companies, and fuck the police. They
can take my freedom from my cold dead body.
> These tapes will serve as a sort of autobiography, diary, and/or
>insurance policy. Lisa probably missed these benefits by around 25
>years. Well, MAYBE she did.
Lisa was watched 24 hours a day, for 17 days, until she died. Surveillance
did her absolutely no good, because the people doing the watching were
fools.
- --
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Keep it in Usenet. E-mail replies and 'courtesy' copies are not welcome.
If you're selling, I ain't buying.
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David Gerard
:>Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft's resident "genius" has a theory that in the
:>near future, everything will be videotaped or recorded. Everyone will
:>carry around this miniature computer that will document our lives from
:>birth to death. The savings in insurance money, (medical, workman's
:>comp, accidental death, etc) and police detective work will be enormous.
:I don't know about you, but the thought of universal ubiquitous surveillance
:in the name of saving money and police time sends a chill through me far
:colder than the thought of a $cientology controlled planet. You can at least
:spoof an e-meter. Fuck the insurance companies, and fuck the police. They
:can take my freedom from my cold dead body.
Read 'Earth' by David Brin.
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