MORE CO$ TERROR IN OTTAWA
Gregg Hagglund
Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious attack
by Scientology.
My parents had just returned from a 'last' visit to many elderly and frail
relatives and friends who live in the west and BC.
Amongst the pile of mail was an innocuous looking envelope.
Inside that envelope was a vicious, premeditated and emotionally explosive
letter from Scientology agent Peter Ramsay.
Despite the fact Scientology has been warned to leave my parents alone,
and despite the fact my mothers fear and upset about Scientology was
nationally published in the Globe and Mail, Scieno Ramsay sent another
terrorist attack, this time via the mail.
This attack, containing completely false and scurrilous information about
myself, and apparently based on the extortionate letter sent to Ron Sharp and
Alan Barclay, has, *as intended*, devastated my parents emotionally.
Further, Mr. Ramsay threatens to spread Scientology oily venomous
black propaganda about me thru' out my parents neighborhood, as
well as the neighborhood of my brothers family and at the Church
my Ottawa Family attends *on communal worship day*.
My family in Ottawa attends and participates in a *real* Church which
has one Communal day a week (Sunday) Worship of God and Prayer to God.
And it doesn't cost a dime unless you volunteer what you can.
They do not rely on selling fake self-help-hidden-Xenu-space-opera-crap,
at fixed prices, for income.
Of course, this latest terrorist attack has my parents upset at me more than
the evil criminal organisation which concocted it. This is , unhappily, as
expected. However, I can forgive my parents for being old and human
and predictably afraid and reactive in this manner. [Co$ *does*
have decades of training in black propaganda, doesn't it.]
I can even, eventually, forgive Peter Ramsay for being the stupid and
foolish tool of the Corrupt and Criminal Cult of Greed and Power that he is.
But I do not know if I will ever forgive Co$ management and its policies of
terrorist tactics.
There is a real crime here of Criminal Harrassment. However, my parents
must file a complaint. And this is not likely. They are too old and fearful
to do this. They are now afraid to answer the door or open the mail. I suppose
the ever so unethical Co$ will now begin a phone terror campaign. This
will complete the envelope of fear which Co$ is trying to weave around them
in order to hurt me and get me to stop the Pickets.
Well, despite the Family upset, I *will* keep picketing!
And letter writing too!
Scientology did not get Charity Status in Canada and is not likely to.
Now I will strip their marriage privilege with only truth and facts.
And then we will see how the Co$ fares after its advertising and promotions
are examined under the same conditions and restrictions as any other
corporation must.
I have others diligently working on the property tax issue. And still
there is the slight matter of Provincial Sales taxes and Federal Tax Fraud
to have investigated.
And lastly, there is the spector of the Bonnie Woods Case to haunt the
Co$ and Al Buttnor at the Toronto Org. Just how far will Al go? And how
much will it cost him and Co$?
Emotionally,
Gregg
--
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<http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/index.html>
Toronto Picket Reports now at:
<http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/index.html>
Arnie Lerma
elr...@cgo.wave.ca says...
>
>
> Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious attack
>by Scientology.
>
>My parents had just returned from a 'last' visit to many elderly and frail
>relatives and friends who live in the west and BC.
>
> Amongst the pile of mail was an innocuous looking envelope.
>
> Inside that envelope was a vicious, premeditated and emotionally explosive
>letter from Scientology agent Peter Ramsay.
>
> Despite the fact Scientology has been warned to leave my parents alone,
> and despite the fact my mothers fear and upset about Scientology was
>nationally published in the Globe and Mail, Scieno Ramsay sent another
>terrorist attack, this time via the mail.
>
> This attack, containing completely false and scurrilous information about
>myself, and apparently based on the extortionate letter sent to Ron Sharp and
>Alan Barclay, has, *as intended*, devastated my parents emotionally.
> Further, Mr. Ramsay threatens to spread Scientology oily venomous
>black propaganda about me thru' out my parents neighborhood, as
>well as the neighborhood of my brothers family and at the Church
>my Ottawa Family attends *on communal worship day*.
Well the whackos papered my 72 year old mom's neighborhood
while still mailing her source magazine..
Clams will be Clams
> My family in Ottawa attends and participates in a *real* Church which
>has one Communal day a week (Sunday) Worship of God and Prayer to God.
>And it doesn't cost a dime unless you volunteer what you can.
>They do not rely on selling fake self-help-hidden-Xenu-space-opera-crap,
>at fixed prices, for income.
>
> Of course, this latest terrorist attack has my parents upset at me more than
>the evil criminal organisation which concocted it. This is , unhappily, as
>expected. However, I can forgive my parents for being old and human
>and predictably afraid and reactive in this manner. [Co$ *does*
>have decades of training in black propaganda, doesn't it.]
This is PROOF POSITIVE that Scientology is nothing
more that a Psyhopolitical Terrorist Organization
> I can even, eventually, forgive Peter Ramsay for being the stupid and
>foolish tool of the Corrupt and Criminal Cult of Greed and Power that he is.
>
> But I do not know if I will ever forgive Co$ management and its policies of
>terrorist tactics.
>
> There is a real crime here of Criminal Harrassment. However, my parents
>must file a complaint. And this is not likely. They are too old and fearful
>to do this. They are now afraid to answer the door or open the mail. I suppose
>the ever so unethical Co$ will now begin a phone terror campaign. This
>will complete the envelope of fear which Co$ is trying to weave around them
>in order to hurt me and get me to stop the Pickets.
Yes sir, and I will picket Scientology in Dc this Saturday and it will be
the Gregg Haugland memorial Picket.
> Well, despite the Family upset, I *will* keep picketing!
> And letter writing too!
> Scientology did not get Charity Status in Canada and is not likely to.
> Now I will strip their marriage privilege with only truth and facts.
> And then we will see how the Co$ fares after its advertising and promotions
> are examined under the same conditions and restrictions as any other
> corporation must.
> I have others diligently working on the property tax issue. And still
>there is the slight matter of Provincial Sales taxes and Federal Tax Fraud
>to have investigated.
>
> And lastly, there is the spector of the Bonnie Woods Case to haunt the
>Co$ and Al Buttnor at the Toronto Org. Just how far will Al go? And how
>much will it cost him and Co$?
>
>Emotionally,
>
>
>Gregg
>--
> Gregg Hagglund SP5
><http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/index.html>
>Toronto Picket Reports now at:
><http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/index.html>
Hey Gregg,
Congratulations,
You are doing a hell of a job up there exposing the crime syndicate.
If you like ask your folks or anyone who desire to
give me a call at 703 241 1498 and Ill be glad to explain the facts of life as
they are while fighting the Art of decpetion, to anyone.
Im proud to know you Gregg.
consider these just the desperate moves of dying psychotic group.
That cos may essentially fund a nice retirement for you is just a side effect
here of telling the truth.
God works in strange ways.
Arnie Lerma
Secrets are the mortar binding
bricks as lies together into prisons for the mind.
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's http://www.lermanet.com
Captain Nerd
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In article <7m19db$15...@edrn.newsguy.com>, Arnie Lerma
<Arnie_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> In article <elrond-0707...@cogeco-40-63.cgocable.net>,
> elr...@cgo.wave.ca says...
>
> > I can even, eventually, forgive Peter Ramsay for being the stupid and
> >foolish tool of the Corrupt and Criminal Cult of Greed and Power that he
is.
> >
> > But I do not know if I will ever forgive Co$ management and its policies
of
> >terrorist tactics.
> >
> > There is a real crime here of Criminal Harrassment. However, my parents
> >must file a complaint. And this is not likely. They are too old and fearful
> >to do this. They are now afraid to answer the door or open the mail. I
suppose
> >the ever so unethical Co$ will now begin a phone terror campaign. This
> >will complete the envelope of fear which Co$ is trying to weave around them
> >in order to hurt me and get me to stop the Pickets.
>
> Yes sir, and I will picket Scientology in Dc this Saturday and it will be
> the Gregg Haugland memorial Picket.
What time?
Cap.
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http://www.nerdwatch.com
Rod Keller
: Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious attack
: by Scientology.
This is exactly the type of material that Scientology admitted was false
and defamatory in the U.K. They should apologize for this letter also.
--
Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully
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>In article <7m19db$15...@edrn.newsguy.com>, Arnie Lerma
><Arnie_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <elrond-0707...@cogeco-40-63.cgocable.net>,
>> elr...@cgo.wave.ca says...
>
>>
>> > I can even, eventually, forgive Peter Ramsay for being the stupid and
>> >foolish tool of the Corrupt and Criminal Cult of Greed and Power that he
>is.
>> >
>> > But I do not know if I will ever forgive Co$ management and its policies
>of
>> >terrorist tactics.
>> >
>> > There is a real crime here of Criminal Harrassment. However, my parents
>> >must file a complaint. And this is not likely. They are too old and fearful
>> >to do this. They are now afraid to answer the door or open the mail. I
>suppose
>> >the ever so unethical Co$ will now begin a phone terror campaign. This
>> >will complete the envelope of fear which Co$ is trying to weave around them
>> >in order to hurt me and get me to stop the Pickets.
>>
>> Yes sir, and I will picket Scientology in Dc this Saturday and it will be
>> the Gregg Haugland memorial Picket.
>
>
> What time?
noonish, call me, 703 2411498
> Cap.
>
>
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>something geeky this way passes" Captain Nerd
> cpt...@nerdwatch.com
> http://www.nerdwatch.com
Secrets are the mortar binding
barb
Gregg Hagglund wrote:
> Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious attack
> by Scientology.
<snip>This is so infuriating! If your folks don't want to report it to the police,
someone should get their church and community involved with protecting them and
giving them moral support. The news media should be informed as well! And remember
the Woods' settlement...where's Dave (Bird's the Word) when you need him?
Stick it to 'em Gregg! Your parents absolutely should not be afraid to go out or get
the mail. GODDAMN THAT FUCKING KULT!!!
--
barb
"Don't let the water out of the sink, I think some of my mind is in there."
Dave Bird
writes
>Gregg Hagglund (elr...@cgo.wave.ca) wrote:
>: Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious
>attack
>: by Scientology.
>
>and defamatory in the U.K. They should apologize for this letter also.
They had a hard time over the libel of Casey Hill in Canada, didn't
they... and are held liable in law for their members' actions there....
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Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion
I thought, upon seeing the Subject of Gregg's post, that sayng
"terror" might be overblown. You know what? I don't think it is,
especially not in this case. Scientology, using terror tactics on
Gregg's parents (trying, and apparently succeeding in instilling fear
and terror), is trying to coerce Gregg Hagglund into ceasing his
anti-Scientology activity. The only way I could describe Scientology's
actions in this instance are terroristic, Scientology is using terror
tactics to influence other peoples' behaviour.
That is utterly contemptible.
However, I'm not shocked that Scientology would do something like
this. The last time Scientology involved Gregg's parents (quite
against their will) in their attempts to get Gregg to stop protesting
and acting against Scientology's various antisocial acts, Al Buttnor
of the Toronto Org and an Ottawa Scientologist visited Gregg's parents
at home - a visit which frightened the hell out of them. Scientology
has also attempted to intimidate other critics via those critics'
parents - attempts which have, to my knowledge, all failed.
Why do I keep saying "Scientology" instead of "David Ramsay" or "Al
Buttnor"? Because of Scientology's history of planning illegal acts,
and then claiming innocence when brought into a courtroom. The two
Canadian cases involving Scientology are a case in point: Scientology
was criminally convicted of Breach of the Public Trust, appealed the
conviction as far as it could, and protested its innocence all the way
up the appeal courts. "Rogue members", it said. The Canadian courts
didn't agree, and fined Scientology $250,000 Cdn. Then, Scientology
libelled Casey Hill, and got dinged for millions more (9 mil?) in
libel damages. So, the courts have found that Scientology organized
illegal activities. That's why I say Scientology - I know that without
that despicable organization, these people wouldn't be trying to get
at Gregg through his parents.
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:02:48 -0400, elr...@cgo.wave.ca (Gregg
Hagglund) wrote:
>
> Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious attack
>by Scientology.
>
> My parents had just returned from a 'last' visit to many elderly and frail
>relatives and friends who live in the west and BC.
>
> Amongst the pile of mail was an innocuous looking envelope.
>
> Inside that envelope was a vicious, premeditated and emotionally explosive
>letter from Scientology agent Peter Ramsay.
If it's anything like the last one, it's no wonder they were scared.
> Despite the fact Scientology has been warned to leave my parents alone,
> and despite the fact my mothers fear and upset about Scientology was
>nationally published in the Globe and Mail, Scieno Ramsay sent another
>terrorist attack, this time via the mail.
>
> This attack, containing completely false and scurrilous information about
>myself, and apparently based on the extortionate letter sent to Ron Sharp and
>Alan Barclay, has, *as intended*, devastated my parents emotionally.
> Further, Mr. Ramsay threatens to spread Scientology oily venomous
>black propaganda about me thru' out my parents neighborhood, as
>well as the neighborhood of my brothers family and at the Church
>my Ottawa Family attends *on communal worship day*.
I'd call it threatening as well as extortionate. Unfortunately for
Ramsay and his cult, all it did was steel our resolve.
> My family in Ottawa attends and participates in a *real* Church which
>has one Communal day a week (Sunday) Worship of God and Prayer to God.
>And it doesn't cost a dime unless you volunteer what you can.
>They do not rely on selling fake self-help-hidden-Xenu-space-opera-crap,
>at fixed prices, for income.
>
> Of course, this latest terrorist attack has my parents upset at me more than
>the evil criminal organisation which concocted it. This is , unhappily, as
>expected. However, I can forgive my parents for being old and human
>and predictably afraid and reactive in this manner. [Co$ *does*
>have decades of training in black propaganda, doesn't it.]
>
> I can even, eventually, forgive Peter Ramsay for being the stupid and
>foolish tool of the Corrupt and Criminal Cult of Greed and Power that he is.
>
> But I do not know if I will ever forgive Co$ management and its policies of
>terrorist tactics.
>
> There is a real crime here of Criminal Harrassment. However, my parents
>must file a complaint. And this is not likely. They are too old and fearful
>to do this. They are now afraid to answer the door or open the mail. I suppose
>the ever so unethical Co$ will now begin a phone terror campaign. This
>will complete the envelope of fear which Co$ is trying to weave around them
>in order to hurt me and get me to stop the Pickets.
>
> Well, despite the Family upset, I *will* keep picketing!
> And letter writing too!
> Scientology did not get Charity Status in Canada and is not likely to.
> Now I will strip their marriage privilege with only truth and facts.
> And then we will see how the Co$ fares after its advertising and promotions
> are examined under the same conditions and restrictions as any other
> corporation must.
(I'm really looking forward to this one.)
> I have others diligently working on the property tax issue. And still
>there is the slight matter of Provincial Sales taxes and Federal Tax Fraud
>to have investigated.
Heh... This is what Scientology is so afraid of. One man, armed with a
pen or a computer and objectively verifiable facts, attempting to roll
back the Scientology presence in Canada by legal means.
> And lastly, there is the spector of the Bonnie Woods Case to haunt the
>Co$ and Al Buttnor at the Toronto Org. Just how far will Al go? And how
>much will it cost him and Co$?
Hopefully far enough that the year 2000 Toronto ARSCC pickets will all
be held in Kitchener or Buffalo.
The next Toronto picket is on the 17th of July - I hope you all can
make it.
>Emotionally,
>
>
>Gregg
>--
> Gregg Hagglund SP5
><http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/index.html>
>Toronto Picket Reports now at:
><http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/index.html>
>
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Fredric L. Rice
Hagglund) wrote:
> Inside that envelope was a vicious, premeditated and emotionally explosive
> letter from Scientology agent Peter Ramsay.
Can you get a copy of the crime boss's finger prints to me, please?
If you don't know how to lift prints, I can provide a summation. If
your local police department made prints, can you get a copy to me?
---
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Cult libels & gets comeuppance: http://www.shellac.freeserve.co.uk/woods.html
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Ghod know they paid enough to be convinced they have them. - Keith Henson
If Hubbard can burn in hell, he can certainly burn on Hubbard Way.- Mark Bunker
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> On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:02:48 -0400, elr...@cgo.wave.ca (Gregg
> Hagglund) wrote:
>
> > Inside that envelope was a vicious, premeditated and emotionally
explosive
> > letter from Scientology agent Peter Ramsay.
>
> Can you get a copy of the crime boss's finger prints to me, please?
> If you don't know how to lift prints, I can provide a summation. If
> your local police department made prints, can you get a copy to me?
Peter's hardly a boss. I'm afraid my copy of Peter's work has probably been
fingered too much. (Oddly enough the copy mailed to my apartment buzz code
never arrived. Maroons!)
Cheap prints method: Crazy Glue inna bag?
Should I ask why his prints might be useful?
Ron of that ilk.
Nile Evil Bastard
: Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious attack
:by Scientology.
I will have to respond to this.
Let's see now ... pickets here have successfully bored me out of bothering
- though if someone else will go to the minor effort of organising one,
I'll be there! - and Xenu leaflets only go so far (though it's pretty
far).
I need to come up with something that will cost me very little time,
effort or money, and yet cause them to rush about like headless chooks.
And that they will know DAMN WELL is me. (I want more DA flyers, dammit!)
Yes. I think I'll spend the weekend making a list of places to call ...
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Fredric L. Rice
www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/) wrote:
>> This attack, containing completely false and scurrilous information about
>>myself, and apparently based on the extortionate letter sent to Ron Sharp and
>>Alan Barclay, has, *as intended*, devastated my parents emotionally.
>> Further, Mr. Ramsay threatens to spread Scientology oily venomous
>>black propaganda about me thru' out my parents neighborhood, as
>>well as the neighborhood of my brothers family and at the Church
>>my Ottawa Family attends *on communal worship day*.
>
>I'd call it threatening as well as extortionate. Unfortunately for
>Ramsay and his cult, all it did was steel our resolve.
There's irony, huh? The good guys expose the criminal, racketeering,
malicious behavior of the cult and what's the cult's response?
Provide yet further examples of the very behavior which makes the good
guys expose the criminals in the first place.
You got to wonder if there are any sane crime bosses in that cult.
Fredric L. Rice
www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/) wrote:
>http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=terrorism
>
>Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
>coercion
>
>I thought, upon seeing the Subject of Gregg's post, that sayng
>"terror" might be overblown. You know what? I don't think it is,
>especially not in this case. Scientology, using terror tactics on
>Gregg's parents (trying, and apparently succeeding in instilling fear
>and terror), is trying to coerce Gregg Hagglund into ceasing his
>anti-Scientology activity. The only way I could describe Scientology's
>actions in this instance are terroristic, Scientology is using terror
>tactics to influence other peoples' behaviour.
It's a racketeering and RICOable offence here in the United States. I
would love to see every American citizen victimized by this criminal
organization videotape the racketeering suspects and instigate felony
charges against the criminals.
Fredric L. Rice
<androi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Should I ask why his prints might be useful?
So that they could be compared against other prints which have yet to
be identified.
MikeMandav
>From: barb <bw...@pacbell.net>
>Date: Thu, 08 July 1999 02:07 PM EDT
>Message-id: <3784E8FD...@pacbell.net>
>
>
>
>Gregg Hagglund wrote:
>
>> Today my aging and ill parents were again the victims of a vicious
>attack
>> by Scientology.
>
>police,
>someone should get their church and community involved with protecting them
>and
>giving them moral support. The news media should be informed as well! And
>remember
>the Woods' settlement...where's Dave (Bird's the Word) when you need him?
>Stick it to 'em Gregg! Your parents absolutely should not be afraid to go out
>or get
>the mail. GODDAMN THAT FUCKING KULT!!!
>--
>barb
>"Don't let the water out of the sink, I think some of my mind is in there."
>
>
Gregg, I do hope that you will continue to picket, even though the
terrorisation of your parents does indeed make your situation to be a morally
complex one. The scientologists of course are nothing more than a gang of
cowardly bullies, and I am expecting the whole rotten mess to come tumbling
down to the ground sometime within the near future. Have you notified the
local television news reporters, or newspapers?