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Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net

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Apr 30, 2007, 4:01:12 PM4/30/07
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Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.

Any suggestions?

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cultxpt

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Apr 30, 2007, 4:05:22 PM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 1:01 pm, "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net"

<hel...@online.no> wrote:
> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
> the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund #http://spirous.blogspot.com/ # xenu.net

> Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as
> well as we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and
> honor our egos can tolerate.
> -------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/dm.htm

Zinj

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Apr 30, 2007, 4:07:59 PM4/30/07
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In article <f15hu8$jp0$1...@troll.powertech.no>, hel...@online.no
says...

> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
> the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>
> Any suggestions?

Talk to Chuck and see whether he knows anybody from the recent
escapees who might be willing to talk.

Most of the reports here have been anonymous.

Zinj
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You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think

Android Cat

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Apr 30, 2007, 4:29:50 PM4/30/07
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cultxpt wrote:
> On Apr 30, 1:01 pm, "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net"
> <hel...@online.no> wrote:
>> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
>> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already
>> got the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> http://www.lisamcpherson.org/dm.htm

http://www.planetkc.com/sloth/sci/young1.affidavit See #161 onwards.

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Ron of that ilk.


R. Hill

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Apr 30, 2007, 5:10:14 PM4/30/07
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Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net wrote:
> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
> the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

It sure would also be significant to report that Miscavige has been
promoting the machine gunning of people who are psychiatrists.

Evening Standard (London): "Tom's aliens target City's 'planetary
rulers'" by David Cohen, 23 Oct. 2006

«"A woman is safer in a park at midnight than on a psychiatrist's
couch," booms Miscavige, backed by savage graphics of psychiatrists —
or "psychs" as he calls them - being machine-gunned out of existence."»

I have a scan of this article if needed.

(also relate to Mike Rinder showing images of psychiatrists being hung,
as reported by M. L. Tilse:
http://www.xenu-directory.org/accounts/tilse20031012.html )

The promotion of violence against human beings (tagged as 'SP', 'psych',
etc.) who express their opinions on Hubbard's lies, greed, world views, etc.

Ray.

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"I started thinking, and I got carried away"
- Dan Garvin, former scientologist

"We simply do as [L. Ron Hubbard] says"
- Dennis Clarke, scientologist

Dave Touretzky

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:17:36 PM4/30/07
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In article <f15hu8$jp0$1...@troll.powertech.no>,

Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <hel...@online.no> wrote:
>Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
>using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
>the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.

Chuck Beatty (Chuckb...@aol.com) is the go-to guy on this. He has
detailed reports from ex-SO members who have been assaulted by David
Miscavige.

-- Dave

Out_Of_The_Dark

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:27:29 PM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 4:01 pm, "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net"

<hel...@online.no> wrote:
> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
> the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund #http://spirous.blogspot.com/ # xenu.net

> Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as
> well as we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and
> honor our egos can tolerate.
> -------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]----- <
Maybe Larry B ( SME) or Larry Wollersheim can ask some of those
sending in their questionaires if they would like to correspond with
you on this? You can reach them at: man...@factnet.org Here's the
ref:
S
"Scientology Human Rights Abuse and Criminality Questionnaire for
Former Members and Family" Factnet is seeking critical information
about Scientology, Dianetics, their front groups and lawyers that only
former members and their families can provide.

The information you provide in this questionnaire will help save lives
and stop Scientology's alleged ongoing human rights abuse of children,
young adults, families, critics and former members.'
Scientology Questionnaire Scientology Human Rights Abuse and
Criminality Questionnaire for Former Members and Family.
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/questionnaire.htm

Update into the criminal investigation of David Miscavige and
Scientology 3/8/07
http://tinyurl.com/2dtppe
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/0a71a569df55cc60?hl=en&

SME

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May 1, 2007, 1:04:51 AM5/1/07
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On Apr 30, 4:01 pm, "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net"
<hel...@online.no> wrote:
> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already got
> the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund #http://spirous.blogspot.com/ # xenu.net

> Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as
> well as we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and
> honor our egos can tolerate.
> -------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----

Hi Andreas

I've personally seen him punch hard (in the mouth), choke and slap
hard on the face top CSI staff members up to and including the
watchdog committee level when he was supposedly in ASI and not
"running the church" back in the early 80s. And I know for a fact then
that he was giving the orders behind the many Int Finance Police and
other "gang bang" sec checks and the like then. The Homer Shomer
affidavits on Gerry's site also show his abusive nature such as
screaming at and spitting on Homer in a gang bang sec check, etc.

I know him to have been completely running "the church" then, and
doing so using fear and intimidation, despite statements he has made
in courts to the contrary under penalty of perjury.

I also know many other examples of beatings and the like right into
2005 or so based on reports from others, some of whom are willing to
speak out to some degree.

See this link for additional questions on the Factnet questionnaire
that somewhat go into this area:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/f43bc1dface4fd5f/2720e202cc0cdcff?lnk=st&q=&rnum=11#2720e202cc0cdcff

I too think that Chuck can help you with this but I can also try to
help network others with you if you'd like to email me privately about
it. My email is larrybren12345ATaol.com. (The "AT" meaning to
represent "@"). I think it might be good if we did a little
coordination about the author here as I am already working with a
couple authors about this and other matters.

This sort of information is starting to be shared with authors and I
wholeheartedly agree with any actions meant to expose such abuses so
that hopefully they can be brought to an end. I would also like to see
criminal charges made where crimes have been committed.

I was going to email you anyway as I signed up for clambake and for
some reason cannot sign in and post there. It does recognize my above
noted email as one that has signed up though. I think my signon and/or
password I thought I have is wrong. (IE: I forgot which I used lol).
Could you possibly email me to let me know how to get on and post
there? I believe when I tried to sign up on your site that I used
either "SME" or "Lovinglife625" as my signon.

Thanks:)

SME

antisectes

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May 1, 2007, 5:51:13 AM5/1/07
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R. Hill wrote:
> Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net wrote:
>> Need to establish documentation whether David Miscavige sometimes is
>> using physical violence against Scientology members ot not. Already
>> got the accounts of Tabayoyon, Aznaran and Jesse Prince.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
> It sure would also be significant to report that Miscavige has been
> promoting the machine gunning of people who are psychiatrists.
>
> Evening Standard (London): "Tom's aliens target City's 'planetary
> rulers'" by David Cohen, 23 Oct. 2006
>
> «"A woman is safer in a park at midnight than on a psychiatrist's
> couch," booms Miscavige, backed by savage graphics of psychiatrists —
> or "psychs" as he calls them - being machine-gunned out of
> existence."»
> I have a scan of this article if needed.
>
> (also relate to Mike Rinder showing images of psychiatrists being
> hung, as reported by M. L. Tilse:
> http://www.xenu-directory.org/accounts/tilse20031012.html )
>
> The promotion of violence against human beings (tagged as 'SP',
> 'psych', etc.) who express their opinions on Hubbard's lies, greed,
> world views, etc.

we have also the Impact 96 where SPs are to be eliminated, as well as
the other where these "religious" people say that SPs are to be shot
like ducks in a pond etc.

r


Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net

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