Ex-member speaks out about the Canberra org Australia
louise_cook
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:06:38 +1000
My name is Pertti Muhli. I got railroaded by the Canberra Org in
Australia for the amount of $5267. I am writing a knowledge report on
Andrew McGowan of the Canberra Org.
Andrew McGowan used pressure to sell me an auditing package.
Initially I paid a deposit of $1700. I told Andrew I didn't want to
take the rest of my money out of the bank and I was taking a
redundancy package from work. Andrew arranged a third person to pay
the $3500 on my behalf.
However, his cheque bounced. I then blew from staff. A few weeks later
Steve Planinac the Qual Sec got into contact with me. He wanted me to
come up into the org. I did on 18 April 1999. The first thing Andrew
told me when I came in was that I owe this other fellow $3500. I said,
I thought the cheque bounced. Andrew instead lead me to believe it had
now gone through. I asked ''Is there a receipt?.'' He told me he
didn't know. I found soon afterwards, the cheque hadn't gone through.
That is the last time I ever stepped foot into that org and was very
regretful.
The very next morning on Monday 19 April 1999, I sent Andrew a letter
stating I longer wanted to go ahead with auditing. However, two days
later, on Wednesday 21 April 1999, in the afternoon I got a phone call
from this other guy Andrew had involved. He said he had given a
cheque to the Canberra Org and now I had to repay him. He asked me to
do it straight away and into the bank account of his company name.The
fellow also told me he is in court that afternoon. I told him over the
phone, I was very busy that afternoon and I could do it the next day.
He was a bit reluctant but accepted as long as it was there the next
day. Andrew had plenty of time between those two days to inform the
third person the contract is cancelled. Andrew also knew, I was going
to be out of work and attending university along with plenty of other
bills to pay.
Despite this he got hold of my money.
I spoke to a solicitor over the phone a couple of months ago who said
it is possibly a police matter. I want my refund on my terms and not
theirs.
If Andrew hadn't had done what he did, I would not have any reason to
post this or antagonise the Church. The facts here are true and are of
public interest so that people are warned of what they may suffer the
same tactics if they decided join this cult. Besides, I doubt a
knowledgable judge in a court of law would accept the credibility of
this cult. To claim successfully for defamation one must prove that
their reputation has been damaged. The reputation of Co$ is not good
enough to even be damaged.
I mentioned Scientology to a staff member recently of a Federal
politician. As soon as I mentioned it, she warned me of how bad they
are and its well known of the methods they use. She said the Police
are onto them. My family and friends even warned me when I was
involved, I will get ripped off. Shows their reputation. When are they
ever going to learn that their bad reputation is only self inflicted?
Things that happened to me aren't isolated incidents. Similar stories
are posted all over the internet. I was shown the Scientology critical
pages on the internet by another person. I didn't know they existed
before this. Reading the critical material about them contributed to
my departure.
Scientology, just remember, before you commit another crime, the
internet will soon know. The internet may one day keep you honest,
Scientology.
Tommy
>
> From: P Muhli <mu...@dynamite.com.au>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:06:38 +1000
>
> My name is Pertti Muhli. I got railroaded by the Canberra Org in
> Australia for the amount of $5267. I am writing a knowledge report on
> Andrew McGowan of the Canberra Org.
Another satisfied customer!
> I mentioned Scientology to a staff member recently of a Federal
> politician. As soon as I mentioned it, she warned me of how bad they
> are and its well known of the methods they use. She said the Police
> are onto them. My family and friends even warned me when I was
> involved, I will get ripped off. Shows their reputation. When are they
> ever going to learn that their bad reputation is only self inflicted?
Hopefully, not until it's too late.
>
> Things that happened to me aren't isolated incidents. Similar stories
> are posted all over the internet. I was shown the Scientology critical
> pages on the internet by another person. I didn't know they existed
> before this. Reading the critical material about them contributed to
> my departure.
>
> Scientology, just remember, before you commit another crime, the
> internet will soon know. The internet may one day keep you honest,
> Scientology.
The honesty of $cientology has not increased perceptably since the
Internet's spread.
$cientology does, however have an extremely bloody nose from tripping
over it....again, and again, and again, and again.
Tommy
--
"Give me the scene, give me the scene, give me scene! I've had loses on
the why. I knowed there was catamounts in them mountings!"
(L. Ron Hubbard in one of his more lucid moments)
Nick Andrew
>Andrew McGowan used pressure to sell me an auditing package.
>Initially I paid a deposit of $1700. I told Andrew I didn't want to
>take the rest of my money out of the bank and I was taking a
>redundancy package from work. Andrew arranged a third person to pay
>the $3500 on my behalf.
>However, his cheque bounced. I then blew from staff. A few weeks later
>Steve Planinac the Qual Sec got into contact with me. He wanted me to
>come up into the org. I did on 18 April 1999. The first thing Andrew
>told me when I came in was that I owe this other fellow $3500. I said,
>I thought the cheque bounced. Andrew instead lead me to believe it had
>now gone through. I asked ''Is there a receipt?.'' He told me he
>didn't know. I found soon afterwards, the cheque hadn't gone through.
This is the kind of behaviour which has to be stopped. Please go to
the police immediately.
Nick.
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Safe ... www.fza.org
church member too until I found out what they are doing. I became so
disgusted I could no longer forward their alleged cause of bring peace and
goodwill to earth. That is now a joke to me.
I suggest you go look at www.scientology.at and also subscribe to
International Viewpoints which is a publication devoted to ex-CoS church
members. You're not alone at all. "IV" even has it's own emailing list too
for their subscribers.
I admire your courage to speak out and say something. The CofS needs to
learn that the people they lie to and abuse are not going to stand for it
and will vote with their feet by no longer flowing power ($ and promotion)
to the cult of CofS and will also speak out publicly on their abuses. It's
too bad their purpose has deteriorated to GI instead of real help.
Thank you. If you would like to email me personally, I'll be happy to
communicate.
Sincerely,
Safe
<Louise Cook> wrote in message news:378e0a5...@newshost.pcug.org.au...
> From: P Muhli <mu...@dynamite.com.au>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:06:38 +1000
>
> My name is Pertti Muhli. I got railroaded by the Canberra Org in
> Australia for the amount of $5267. I am writing a knowledge report on
> Andrew McGowan of the Canberra Org.
>
> Andrew McGowan used pressure to sell me an auditing package.
> Initially I paid a deposit of $1700. I told Andrew I didn't want to
> take the rest of my money out of the bank and I was taking a
> redundancy package from work. Andrew arranged a third person to pay
> the $3500 on my behalf.
> However, his cheque bounced. I then blew from staff. A few weeks later
> Steve Planinac the Qual Sec got into contact with me. He wanted me to
> come up into the org. I did on 18 April 1999. The first thing Andrew
> told me when I came in was that I owe this other fellow $3500. I said,
> I thought the cheque bounced. Andrew instead lead me to believe it had
> now gone through. I asked ''Is there a receipt?.'' He told me he
> didn't know. I found soon afterwards, the cheque hadn't gone through.
> I mentioned Scientology to a staff member recently of a Federal
> politician. As soon as I mentioned it, she warned me of how bad they
> are and its well known of the methods they use. She said the Police
> are onto them. My family and friends even warned me when I was
> involved, I will get ripped off. Shows their reputation. When are they
> ever going to learn that their bad reputation is only self inflicted?
>
Roger Gonnet
Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message :
7mllm2$n...@enews4.newsguy.com...
> I'm sorry for your betrayal by the Church of Scientology. I used to be a
> church member too until I found out what they are doing. I became so
> disgusted I could no longer forward their alleged cause of bring peace and
> goodwill to earth. That is now a joke to me.
>
> I suggest you go look at www.scientology.at and also subscribe to
> International Viewpoints which is a publication devoted to ex-CoS church
> members. You're not alone at all. "IV" even has it's own emailing list too
> for their subscribers.
>
> I admire your courage to speak out and say something. The CofS needs to
> learn that the people they lie to and abuse are not going to stand for it
> and will vote with their feet by no longer flowing power ($ and promotion)
> to the cult of CofS and will also speak out publicly on their abuses.
It's
> too bad their purpose has deteriorated to GI instead of real help.
>
> Thank you. If you would like to email me personally, I'll be happy to
> communicate.
Now, if you prefer, you can continue to be defrauded by fzoners like Safe,
with application of scieno unchecked tech "processes" more or less designed
to get money from scienos having left, without more proofs that this coulod
help anybody.
roger