High-Ranking SCn'st Obama Insider Leaks Palin Pregnancy????
Tigger
................."According to Variety there is chatter that it was a
Barack Obama insider that leaked the pregnancy news on Bristol and
Levi. The say that person is a "High-ranking member of the Church of
Scientology." ...............End of Quote
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272622496.shtml
Sheesh.......are they talking about Marty Rathbun? Is this true or
just internet gossip?
Tigger
Hartley Patterson
> Quote:
> ................."According to Variety there is chatter that it was a
> Barack Obama insider that leaked the pregnancy news on Bristol and
> Levi. The say that person is a "High-ranking member of the Church of
> Scientology." ...............End of Quote
If you follow the links you'll find the entire story is a result of bad
journalists reading stuff they don't understand too fast.
If I understand it correctly the supposed Rathbun/Palin connection derives
from a Google search hitting a throwaway remark by Tom Klemesrud on ARS
for which there is no evidence at all.
And now we've said it again! Lol.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
realpch
They gotta be kidding! Were they reading Tom K's posts on ars?
Peach
--
Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
Save some dough, save some grief:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
Tom Klemesrud
Absolutely right Hartley--there is no direct evidence to link this to
organizers for South Texas for Obama, or to Mark C. Rathbun.
However, there are some curious things...
http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2008/09/serious-oppo-reseach-team-at-kos.html
Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Who is ArcXIX?
From Agents of Goldstein:
"For those unfamiliar with ArcXIX, don't feel bad. His last post on
Daily Kos was about gay cowboy wizards, and that was all the way back in
December, 2005. In other words, ArcXIX smells like a shill identity. In
just 48 hours, ArcXIX turned up countless old photos of the Palin family
and even Bristol's school records. In other words, this is not the work
of an occasional blogger, but that of a serious opposition research team
meant to make sure Gov. Palin's political life is nasty, brutish, and
short."
...
Posted by john marzan
***
The scurrilous poster had pseudonyms of " ArcXIX ", or as he is also
known, " AgentArc " ...
http://wizbangblog.com/docs/Daily-Kos-Sarah-Palin-Smear.htm
And the next day follow-up.
http://wizbangblog.com/docs/BabyGate%202%20-%20Daily%20Kos.htm
The writing style right off the keyboard of a "Chris Miller", an OSA
insidered active in 1995 trying to "handle" the internet.
***
Mark Rathbun has an affinity with the term "ARC"--it's a scientology
term, and he has recently written about it here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/277790/simple_ways_for_improving_relationships.html?cat=41
[quote]
Hubbard called it the ARC triangle because as one of its corners -
affinity, reality or communication - is concentrated on and increased,
the other two elements seem to automatically expand with it. The end
result being a greater level of understanding between two or more
people. You can test the theory for yourself in any type of relationship.
[unquote]
Mark C. Rathbun, surfaces after many years of smearing, legally
attacking, and perhaps illegally attacking people; with exactly these
kinds of character assassinations, and criminal set-ups. He was #2 at
this sadistic cult with a covert intelligence operation that he
participated in, if not commanded. This sort of thing was his forte.
Now, Mr. Rathbun is "Investigations Editor" for an underground lef-wing
monthly newspaper in Corpus Christi, TX. The paper has no office, and no
telephone number. He would have us believe that he is the champion for
poor Tejanos of the area--but when has a scientologist cared or done
_anything_ for the poor?
In fact, Rathbun now in on a crusade to attack a well respected judge in
the area, Judge Manuel Banales.
http://www.wethepeoplenews.org/
We've heard that kind of attack from scientology on judges before--Ben
Krentzman, Marianna Pfaelzer, and Judge Richey, and others.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Jack+anderson+scientology+federal+judge&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US232
http://www.skeptictank.org/cw9.htm
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/judge_tampering.html
Then Rathbun shows up as a high level organizer for Barack Obama writing
blogs, and letters on Obama's own website with pictures of him meeting
with people, and local politicians. He was at the event in Corpus
Christi in February, which Obama himself attended.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/markrathbun
A McCain aid told the Wall Street Jounal that this attack on Sarah Palin
came from inside the Obama camp.
These are the sort of things that Rathbun very familiar with.
Hartley, all this made me think of Mark C. Rathbun; but, personally I
have no proof of it. It just looks, walks and quacks like the work of
Mark Rathbun--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rathbun
More information and pictures on this ARS thread:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US232&q=mark+rathbun+opinion+news&btnG=Search
Why does any self-respecting left-wing politician in Texas want anything
to do with this Hubbard worshipper; particularly Barack Obama? How is
their "vetting?"
Either the Dems are stupid, don't care, or figure they have something to
gain from hanging around with this guy.
realpch
Omigod! That was how it happened! What a farce.
Hartley Patterson
> Hartley, all this made me think of Mark C. Rathbun; but, personally I
> have no proof of it. It just looks, walks and quacks like the work of
> Mark Rathbun--
Yep, I take your points. Whether journalists will be interested is another
matter.
> Why does any self-respecting left-wing politician in Texas want anything
> to do with this Hubbard worshipper; particularly Barack Obama? How is
> their "vetting?"
As good as in Clearwater and in LA I'd suppose. Our favorite cult is not
on the vetting list.
Tigger
> Hartley Patterson wrote:
>
> > Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net:
> > > Quote:
> > > ................."According to Variety there is chatter that it was a
> > > Barack Obama insider that leaked the pregnancy news on Bristol and
> > > Levi. The say that person is a "High-ranking member of the Church of
> > > Scientology." ...............End of Quote
>
> > If you follow the links you'll find the entire story is a result of bad
> > journalists reading stuff they don't understand too fast.
>
> > If I understand it correctly the supposed Rathbun/Palin connection derives
> > from a Google search hitting a throwaway remark by Tom Klemesrud on ARS
> > for which there is no evidence at all.
>
> > And now we've said it again! Lol.
>
> > --
> > Hartley Patterson
> >http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/
> >http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
>
> Omigod! That was how it happened! What a farce.
>
> Peach
LOL..."wot a predictament". I read that TK post but who would have
thunk a real reporter would have picked it up. I guess categorizing
it as "chatter" releases it from the "two source" rule.
Which "shows to go" it would be a good idea to stick to facts and/or
label theories and speculations as exactly that. Who knows what some
reporter might pick up and try to fly with it.
Tigger
> --
> Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
> Save some dough, save some grief:http://www.xenu.nethttp://www.scientology-lies.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Out_Of_The_Dark
wrote:
> tomk...@netscape.delete.net:
Perhaps some good will come of this, like Rathbun's current
affiliation with CoS being further exposed? That would be fine by me.
Tom Klemesrud
On a chance that the reporter is reading this now, Mark Rathbun,
scientology's #2 for many years--who helped cave in the IRS to giving
Scientology a secret backroom tax exemption--
http://www.xenu.net/archive/IRS/
--upstream man in the Obama campaign is one Jon Carson, national field
director of Obama’s campaign, and a local politician names Juan Garcia:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/markrathbun/CyXY
[quote]
I spoke with Juan Garcia and with the national field director of Obama’s
campaign. It is anticipated that national staff will arrive in Corpus
Christi tonight. An office will be opened. They are shooting for doing
so by this Saturday. They said, while they appreciate the anxiety to get
something organized here quickly - particularly with the Clinton
announcement in the CT about Wednesday - Obama is not ignoring the other
several primaries set to occur prior to March 4. If she is a few days
ahead, it means nothing - particularly if she is not here to stay. Obama
is opening an office here - confirmed! It is better for us to await the
announcement of the office opening and be there en masse for the
ocassion, rather than have a premature, off shoot office opening confuse
the message and potentially steal the thunder of the actual office
opening. Apparently, a meeting is still on for tomorrow at the PPC on
Waco Street for all who want to start a grass roots volunteer movement
of some sort. In the meantime, it is not the opening of the official
Obama '08 office - that will come later in the week. You’ll be the first
to know the actual day and time - and personnel involved - in the
opening of the official office. It will be a few short days away.
Mark Rathbun
[end quote]
I don't know of Carson, Garcia, or Rathbun were involved with the smear
of Sarah Palin and her family, but we know--according to Mark
Rathbun--that they talk on the phone.
Perhaps Carson and Garcian knows the other scientologists at the table
here in the top photo, with Mark Rathbun:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/photoalbum/
But why would they associate with Mark ("Marty") Rathbun, for any good
reason; unless of course they don't know how to vet?
http://www.xenu.net/archive/photoalbum/propaganda/prop5.htm
Here is a news article in which Rathbun smears the reputation of a TIME
Magazine reporter--
http://www.solitarytrees.net/pubs/celebs.htm
Scientology official Marty Rathbun denounces Behar as "a criminal of the
lowest order"
Tom Klemesrud
Hartley Patterson
> Which "shows to go" it would be a good idea to stick to facts and/or
> label theories and speculations as exactly that. Who knows what some
> reporter might pick up and try to fly with it.
The reprinting of stories about Tomkat and the Beckhams on ARS and
elsewhere as if they were reliable is entertaining. The danger is that
these can become mixed up with more serious stuff such as the subject of
this thread.
Rev Dennis L Erlich
>LOL..."wot a predictament".
Not for those who don't care to stick to the truth. It's a
"fling-enuf-sh*t" ... who cares if it's true or not as long as it
makes your enemies look worse.
>I read that TK post but who would have
>thunk a real reporter would have picked it up.
Someone who clearly hasn't been following the Tom&Jerry Klem show.
>I guess categorizing
>it as "chatter" releases it from the "two source" rule.
The only justification needed is that it might hurt your enemy.
>Which "shows to go" it would be a good idea to stick to facts and/or
>label theories and speculations as exactly that.
I wish I'd said that.
>Who knows what some
>reporter might pick up and try to fly with it.
Shame on that reporter.
Dennis
____________
"They don't pay what they owe
when they have the cash flow.
They don't care." - Mark Knopfler
realpch
I am a fabulously beautiful goddess and everybody sends me money!
: D
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
> Hartley Patterson wrote:
> > Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net:
There is/was not just one Mark Rathbun in Scientology just as there
was not just L. Ron Hubbard. However, the originals are being defamed
while they are deliberately blamed with the acts of the German secret
service organised impostors.
Is that really higher math or why can't you guys follow.
Imagine being a crazy p$ych of the SEGNPMSS. You hate Scientology
because you are insane and you are afraid that one day you might not
more come away with murdering, raping and abusing people. You
imprison, remove or murder the good orignal Scientologists and
exchange them with clones/Doppelgangers that you run.
Perfect plan, except that they can't fool ME!
Barbara Schwarz
___
Barbara Graham in her own words: "Anything's legal if you don't get
caught." And: "You asshole. I was *never* a good person, you sad piece
of crap. --
Spidergraham, Chaplain, ARSCC"
More: http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/graham1.html
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/barbar...
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/index.php
Barbara Schwarz
And stop blaming Mark Rathbun.
Compare the brief article about ARC with the long affidavit of the
real Marty Rathbun and you will see that they are written by two
different people.
Tom Klemesrud
> Tigger <Tiggeri...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> LOL..."wot a predictament".
>
> Not for those who don't care to stick to the truth. It's a
> "fling-enuf-sh*t" ... who cares if it's true or not as long as it
> makes your enemies look worse.
>
>> I read that TK post but who would have
>> thunk a real reporter would have picked it up.
>
> Someone who clearly hasn't been following the Tom&Jerry Klem show.
>
>> I guess categorizing
>> it as "chatter" releases it from the "two source" rule.
>
> The only justification needed is that it might hurt your enemy.
>
>> Which "shows to go" it would be a good idea to stick to facts and/or
>> label theories and speculations as exactly that.
>
> I wish I'd said that.
>
>> Who knows what some
>> reporter might pick up and try to fly with it.
>
> Shame on that reporter.
>
> Dennis
That's right reverend. Mark Rathbun is a mis-understood. swell guy.
And I can understand why you might feel that way. No doubt he was
instrumental in scientology paying you millions, in monthly
installments. We know we will hear no ill words concerning everything
immoral and criminal the cult has done, from you.
Tigger
>
Dear Tom K.,
Stop being ridiculous and trying to make something out of nothing.
Dennis was just agreeing that we should stick to the facts and if we
joke, speculate or theeorize, we should
make it perfectly CLEAR that is what we're doing......
joking, speculating and/or theorizing.
I bet that reporter is not too happy to be made to look like a fool
because of your UNCLEAR speculating.
Tigger
******************************************************
"What you don't see with your eyes, DON'T INVENT WITH YOUR MOUTH."
Old Jewish Proverb
******************************************************
Rev Dennis L Erlich
tom/jerry/henri ladd von klemscheit wrote:
>> That's right reverend. Mark Rathbun is a mis-understood. swell guy.
No, Klemmy said that. Or was it one of his many sock-puppets?
What I said was that Klem is the idiot that fabricated the bullshit
out of whole cloth about Rathburn being the source of Obama's leak.
That stupid reporter fell for his troll and should lerk moar.
>> And I can understand why you might feel that way. No doubt he was
>> instrumental in scientology paying you millions, in monthly
>> installments.
See, folks. Nothing seems to stop this scumbag from lying and
fabricating sleim.
>We know we will hear no ill words concerning everything
>> immoral and criminal the cult has done, from you.
I've made my statements. They all stand the test of time and don't
fade away like Klemmy's brains have ... being stewed in alcohol.
Tigger
>Dear Tom K.,
>Stop being ridiculous and trying to make something out of nothing.
That's all he can do. Stick to facts? Not him.
>Dennis was just agreeing that we should stick to the facts and if we
>joke, speculate or theeorize, we should
>make it perfectly CLEAR that is what we're doing......
>joking, speculating and/or theorizing.
You're spoiling his whole modus operandi to try to make him be
factual. Where's he gonna get the sliem?
>I bet that reporter is not too happy to be made to look like a fool
>because of your UNCLEAR speculating.
Perhaps someone should email the reporter and fill her in on Tom,
Jerry, Henri Ladd, etc's history of fabrication.
Oh and don't leave out his Ms. Bloodybutt tail of woe. That's a
doozy!
D
---------------
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities." - Voltaire.
Out_Of_The_Dark
It's so predictable to see a traitor like yourself attack one of the
very people who trusted in you to keep your word. You're a sell out.
You took the money and ran, so please, keep running.
Tom Klemesrud
>
> tom/jerry/henri ladd von klemscheit wrote:
>>> That's right reverend. Mark Rathbun is a mis-understood. swell guy.
>
> No, Klemmy said that. Or was it one of his many sock-puppets?
>
> What I said was that Klem is the idiot that fabricated the bullshit
> out of whole cloth about Rathburn being the source of Obama's leak.
Reverend, I never said that. Can you point it out for me?
>
> That stupid reporter fell for his troll and should lerk moar.
That was posted by the Executive Editor of Variety, Gaydos, not Thompson.
>
>>> And I can understand why you might feel that way. No doubt he was
>>> instrumental in scientology paying you millions, in monthly
>>> installments.
>
> See, folks. Nothing seems to stop this scumbag from lying and
> fabricating sleim.
Monthly "stipends", or was it a lump sum?
I didn't lie, that's the rumor, and best estimates of everyone with an
opinion, and those who have heard rumors--because you have said nothing
about it--other than promising when you got moeny from the lawsuit you
would pay everybody back that gave you money to fight the lawsuit.
Like, Bob Minton, who gave you $5,000, and Arnie Lerma, who gave you a
couple hundred I think. But no repayment from you. I guess they could
call you a liar.
I know you told me over the phone that you got more that a million. I
left a message on your machine asking if it was a million, and you
called back and said, "the answer to the question is yes." I would
testify to that.
>
>> We know we will hear no ill words concerning everything
>>> immoral and criminal the cult has done, from you.
>
> I've made my statements. They all stand the test of time and don't
> fade away like Klemmy's brains have ... being stewed in alcohol.
From: dennis....@support.com
Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 23:26:54 -0800
Subject: Rosa v Dennis Erlich 1
To: rne...@media.mit.edu
...
> DECLARATION OF ROSA ERLICH
...
> 13. I was dreadfully concerned about my daughter. My concern
>was that since leaving the Church, Dennis had found a new way to
>"counsel" people which included smoking pot, taking a walk and then
>talking. He tried to get me to do it several times when he visited in
>October, November and December, 1983. I did not participate and he
>continued to consider using this "process" to clear his mind.
Yea, I used to smoke a little reefer back then to clear my
head of the scieno-sh*t.
...
Dennis, marijuana is a dangerous narcotic. It can dim an already-dim
bulb. And, it is highly illegal.
>
> Tigger
>> Dear Tom K.,
>> Stop being ridiculous and trying to make something out of nothing.
>
> That's all he can do. Stick to facts? Not him.
>
>> Dennis was just agreeing that we should stick to the facts and if we
>> joke, speculate or theeorize, we should
>> make it perfectly CLEAR that is what we're doing......
>> joking, speculating and/or theorizing.
>
> You're spoiling his whole modus operandi to try to make him be
> factual. Where's he gonna get the sliem?
>
>> I bet that reporter is not too happy to be made to look like a fool
>> because of your UNCLEAR speculating.
>
> Perhaps someone should email the reporter and fill her in on Tom,
> Jerry, Henri Ladd, etc's history of fabrication.
>
> Oh and don't leave out his Ms. Bloodybutt tail of woe. That's a
> doozy!
That's kind of you to say reverend, since it was you who admitted in
federal court to purposely infringing scientology's intellectual
properties through my computer BBS, that got me attacked by Miss Bloodybutt.
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/dennis_final_judgement.txt
Where did you get the $69,000 to pay the scientologists for your
deliberate actions, that got me also sued?
You know reverend, these copyrights were not legitimate; and your pro
bono attorneys wanted to prove they weren't; but your actions of paying
them for you malicious actions, legitimized them, and enabled them to be
used again on other critics as a club.
Is there no end to your greed reverend?
I think you should take your belligerence down to the Palm Springs
country club, rather than attacking very real victims of scientology on
this newsgroup, since you cannot, or will not, contribute to the
criticism of sceintology.
Nec_V20
Realpch,
it's bullshit, an assassination attempt on Obama was intercepted last
Tuesday. He will however be killed between the eighth and 16th of
October. That's when it is programmed to happen.
realpch
Oh yeah? Well I guess I'd better check Variety and the New York Times
tommorow for details.
: D
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> Nec_V20 wrote:
Like me. Hey, he and I are like twins!
Barbara Schwarz
--
ABOUT THE AHBL AND THE VERY TWISTED BRIAN J. BRUNS :
http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/
Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.
COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm
Out_Of_The_Dark
Barbara, are you saying that the Mark Rathbun in TX is your Mark
Rathbun?
Patty Pieniadz
Dennis has a right to post here. You don't run ars ms busybody. Stick
to doing what you do best, i.e. reporting on Scn abuses and stop being
Lerma's and Tom's Black PR attack dog.
Rev Dennis L Erlich
out of her gourd:
>> It's so predictable to see a traitor like yourself attack one of the
>> very people who trusted in you to keep your word.
I don't get how I could have betrayed someone I neither know nor care
about.
Besides, it was Klemmy who folded like a cheap lawn chair when the
cult came after him to shut down my posting.
>You're a sell out.
>> You took the money and ran, so please, keep running.
I've been in one place since the case settled. But don't expect the
facts to deter this bitch's slieming.
pooks
>Dennis has a right to post here. You don't run ars ms busybody. Stick
>to doing what you do best, i.e. reporting on Scn abuses and stop being
>Lerma's and Tom's Black PR attack dog.
It's very inconvenient for these sliemers that I'm still here and
posting. Too bad.
D
---------------
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities." - Voltaire.
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> - Show quoted text -
sure Dennis has a right to post here. I never said otherwise. I just
suspected he keep running since that was his goal in the first place.
By the way Patty, you come across much of the time as a miserable
human being. I thought you should know that since you think you know
everything but you don't.
Tom Klemesrud
>
> out of her gourd:
>>> It's so predictable to see a traitor like yourself attack one of the
>>> very people who trusted in you to keep your word.
>
> I don't get how I could have betrayed someone I neither know nor care
> about.
>
> Besides, it was Klemmy who folded like a cheap lawn chair when the
> cult came after him to shut down my posting.
You just don't get it reverend. The significance of the case RTC v.
Netcom was that it established safe harbors for every system operator in
the nation; and not about some dim-witted cult member who purposely
infringed copyrights 69 times.