John Travolta: LIVE IN LA
Magoo
in Scientology that I miss, still, and one of them
for sure is John Travolta.
Tonight I went to see the movie, "Hairspray", and I knew he was going to
come and talk, after. (It's at the Aero, and both there, and at the Egyptian
in Hollywood, they have people from the movies come and talk,and answer
questions: It's great!)
The place was packed full---and people loved the film.
After JT arrived, and the place lit up even more.
He sat in front and chatted with a man who asked questions about his career,
the movie, etc.
John has a natural way about him.........he has as long as I knew him, which
was way back at the original Celebrity Center, here in LA, in the early
1970's. I'm sure they (Scientology) try to claim this is DUE to Scientology,
and he may feel some of it is. It was amazing to me how much he seems like
the kid I met and helped supervise in the early '70's. My guess: He arrived
with the skills he has, and they've only blossomed as he's worked, and
aged.The Cult is mainly a huge support group for all of their celebrities.
He answered a number of questions, and told the audience that he took from
his Mom, his sister, and many famous
women, to bring about his character in Hairspray. In "the old days" he
probably somehow would have slipped in Hubbard or Scientology---but nothing
was said tonight. It was just plain John Travolta and his excellent "Spirit
of Play" as he refers to it.
For me it was cute to hear him use various Scientology terms and say, "You
know?" to the public. I knew for some of the words, most would have no idea
what he was talking about---but it didn't matter: it was John Travolta, they
all love him, and no one cared what words he used.
Lastly, it ended, and many rushed to the stage for autographs, photographs,
etc. I decided to just go say,
"Hi". He smiled, held my hand for a minute and I gave him a hug and said,
"Good job!" He smiled his beautiful smile.
We all agreed, "He looks great" and he does.
He's getting an award tomorrow night up in Santa Barbara,
and I *think* it's from Curt Douglas ---who he said was one of his heroes.
(Whomever is giving the award is his hero,
I think he said Curt Douglas)
Great night--------I left thinking, IF I was going to miss Scientology, it
is because of people like John Travolta.
He's certainly the best of that group: Always has been, always will be.
And I LOVE LA---for that reason. It's SO fun to be able to drive for 20
minutes and spend an evening like this.
I'm smiling...............
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
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& Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)
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"They, who give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Magoo
I Loved this, too.
John said that he'd sent back the fat suit 5 times,
as "If I'm going to be a woman, I want to be a
WOMAN!" (The place burst into applause).
He described how he wanted
"Bigger boobs, hips, bigger butt---curves, small waist"
It was so cute to hear!
He *really* got into it, and it was fun to hear the specifics behind it.
Thought you might enjoy that, too.
T
"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD
enthusiasm for the fat suit. Then he could develop some acting ability
after he stops keeping himself from being just a Scientologist with a
non-existent development curve.
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Kevin Brady
just being a good guy. I think that this comes across in his work. I'm
hoping he'll walk away, like Nicole Kidman did. His wife might be
hard-core. John might be aware that there's a problem. Although, you just
never know. He might be a full party to the scam, and just a master
confidence man like his mentor. I hope not.
--
Wrong Reverend K. G. Brady
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Magoo
"Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD" <not-ear...@nor-hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Maybe he'll finally quit the cult and "come out" at last, judging by that
> enthusiasm for the fat suit. Then he could develop some acting ability
> after he stops keeping himself from being just a Scientologist with a
> non-existent development curve.
Well, that's easy to say from your computer. Sitting amongst a full house of
people who love him very much,
I don't agree with you re a "non-existent developement
curve"---but I'm not surprised. I figured my post
may ruffle a few critics feathers, and that's Ok, too.
I also hope one day he blasts out of Scientology, but I don't see it anytime
soon. It's too easy being "in"...and he sees none of what we who've left
have been exposed to.
Best,
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Kevin Brady" <gomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Very interesting, Tory. I've had the same sense of Travolta, in terms of
> just being a good guy. I think that this comes across in his work.
Me too.
I'm
> hoping he'll walk away, like Nicole Kidman did.
The difference is Nicole never was really "in", she married
Tom Cruise, and thus became a Scio.
John is WAY in and has been, for years. I was there when he began, and he's
done quite well over the years.
His wife might be
> hard-core. John might be aware that there's a problem. Although, you
> just never know. He might be a full party to the scam, and just a master
> confidence man like his mentor. I hope not.
Who is his mentor? Do you mean L. R. H.?
Well, I doubt he's in on the scam----my guess is he,
like all the other celebs, are led down a very special
path. They never see what we see. They never hear
what we heard. They have their own private entrance
into Celebrity Center (and secret parking lot) and their own private
training room, too. I know as the VP showed me,
when I was the Executive Director for SPL.
Thus...........it's **very** difficult to wake up.
Even tonight, all through the talk, he mentioned
"Spirit of Play" or "Gradients" or other things
that are the good sides of Scientology. (Of course
he wouldn't mention the other, if he even knew it--but just listening to him
talk, I could hear what he's taken, and how much he's in the Scio/Truman
show).
Oh well...........he's happy, and that's a good thing. Unfortunately, he's a
well known person who does, by being in, get others "in"
just by being a Scientologist and because of getting in, then they live
QUITE a different life
than they thought.
Thus, I speak out.............and thankfully, more and more people are
reading the Net :)
Best,
Tory/Magoo~~
Kevin Brady
>
> "Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD" <not-ear...@nor-hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> Maybe he'll finally quit the cult and "come out" at last, judging by that
>> enthusiasm for the fat suit. Then he could develop some acting ability
>> after he stops keeping himself from being just a Scientologist with a
>> non-existent development curve.
>
> Well, that's easy to say from your computer. Sitting amongst a full house
> of people who love him very much,
> I don't agree with you re a "non-existent developement
> curve"---but I'm not surprised. I figured my post
> may ruffle a few critics feathers, and that's Ok, too.
I'm not really sure he *needed* a development curve, in terms of his acting.
He's extremely good at getting in character, although his range is not the
same as someone like Johnny Depp. Travolta's personae is not a complicated
one, and doesn't need to be. He's simply likeable, and the chicks dig him,
and so does the gay crowd I hang out with (and I do, for gawd's sake,
despite the fact that they're probably planning to kill me since I'm so much
higher toned than them). He's a little corny, and a bit too much of a boy
scout for my tastes, but he's made some amazing films, and what he's cast
for is COOL. That's what he can deliver. He can't deliver moody, but he
can be good in light comedy, although that can get tired.
Pulp Fiction? Perfect casting. That's the trick for him. I thought
Phenomenon was really interesting, as an idea of what he might consider OT
to be like. I don't know how much he believes in that telekinetic stuff,
but I thought the movie was an excellent rendition and alteration of the
"Flowers for Algernon" story, in a way, and I liked the production and
thought it was cast well.
At any rate, while he's definitely also made a lot of stinkers (oh man,
don't mention Battlefield Earth: just don't: I still haven't seen it),
such as the serial "Look Who's Talking" movies, although I thought the first
one was cute (I saw it in the theater with my wife while she was pregnant
and we were avid young scientologists, and I slept in the big bed that
night, though it probably got knowledge reported the next day: I was bad,
and didn't follow the rules in Child Dianetics [:)]), he's cool if he's cast
right.
When I go see a Travolta movie, I'm not expecting anything great, he's just
likeable. I find it amazing the effect he has on people, and the ease with
which he handles interviews when he's on the circuit: the hosts are usually
slightly awed or adroitly matched by him. I'd be interested to see if he
had the balls to do a Charlie Rose interview, where the subject was his
involvement with Scientology. I bet Rose doesn't have the balls for that
one, actually, himself: "Scientology and Me" doesn't seem like something
he'd want to experience. But I'd like to see him interview Travolta and
really draw him out on the subject, ask him if he's aware of things like
Snow White and the existence of a Protestant Scientology movement called the
Free Zone, and what he thinks of that.
> I also hope one day he blasts out of Scientology, but I don't see it
> anytime soon. It's too easy being "in"...and he sees none of what we
> who've left have been exposed to.
If that's the case, then he needs to expand his responsibility level. A
true OT is aware of the actual conditions around him. Is he a true OT? If
not, why has it taken so long, and if so, why isn't he aware of the
criminality of his organization? If you can detect body thetans and
communicate with them, and you can detect counter-intentions, why can't he
see the criminality surrounding him, or spot the fact that scientology is
not expanding the way it is advertised: why doesn't he do something about
it?
Easy, huh? Maybe those six-month sec-checks are right on time after all.
It's not okay to contribute 20 million dollars or more to an organization
that destroys families (such as mine). Justifications like "it's easy"
don't wash. He's likeable, but even person I like can be my enemy, if he
contributes to efforts to destroy my freedom or rights. If I met him, I'd
shake his hand, and then I'd flip him off, and tell him to check to see if
he has mutual out-rudiments with his Church.
Bet that would indicate.
Kevin Brady
>
> "Kevin Brady" <gomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Very interesting, Tory. I've had the same sense of Travolta, in terms of
>> just being a good guy. I think that this comes across in his work.
>
> Me too.
>
> I'm
>> hoping he'll walk away, like Nicole Kidman did.
>
> The difference is Nicole never was really "in", she married
> Tom Cruise, and thus became a Scio.
> John is WAY in and has been, for years. I was there when he began, and
> he's done quite well over the years.
>
> His wife might be
>> hard-core. John might be aware that there's a problem. Although, you
>> just never know. He might be a full party to the scam, and just a master
>> confidence man like his mentor. I hope not.
>
> Who is his mentor? Do you mean L. R. H.?
Yes, that's who I meant.
<snip>
You're probably right about him not knowing. Which to me is clinching proof
that he's not OT. And if he's not, after all his dedication and work, and
access to the full panoply of highest/most-advanced services, who the hell
ever could be? If he *IS* OT, then by definition he's complicit, and if
he's not, then he's the clinching proof that OT cannot be attained by money
or time spent in Scientology.
Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD
>
> "Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD" <not-ear...@nor-hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:473c06a7$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
>> Maybe he'll finally quit the cult and "come out" at last, judging by that
>> enthusiasm for the fat suit. Then he could develop some acting ability
>> after he stops keeping himself from being just a Scientologist with a
>> non-existent development curve.
>
> Well, that's easy to say from your computer. Sitting amongst a full house
> of people who love him very much,
> I don't agree with you re a "non-existent developement
> curve"---but I'm not surprised. I figured my post
> may ruffle a few critics feathers, and that's Ok, too.
I sat in a theater populated mostly by people who loved JT very much in
2000. Well, more like pod people actually, manic, smiling, clapping
Scientologists to be precise. "Battlefield Earth" to be specific (I'd
bought a ticket to "Gladiator" and just gone into BE, so to not pay the cult
mo money). It was all I could do to keep from going all MST3K in the middle
of it, but I was by myself, and had a feeling it would not be a good idea to
have people following me on the sidewalk shrieking "What are your crimes?"
at me. So you'll forgive me for saying that perhaps getting all
happy-clappy about Travolta is a remnant from your Scientology programming
that hasn't been cleared out as yet.
Defining the non-existent development curve: actors especially show this, in
that their development in everything not involved with Scientology
absolutely halts after a time. If JT didn't have a publicity group and an
agent, would anyone other than Tarantino have bothered?
Mark Bunker
I love you Magooskie. I just spent 13 hours at work so perhaps I'm tired
but I am giddy at the thought of the great Curt Douglas appearing with
Travolta! Imagine how much better the event would be though with Kirk
Douglas. Now that would be something.
I hope Curt's son Mikhael can be there!
blackdove
> or Type in Scientology in Google
> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> Burbank, CA
> (818) 588-3044
>
> "They, who give up essential liberty
> to purchase a little temporary safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin
Tory, I met John briefly through work, and thought he was lovely. I
wasn't looking forward to meeting him, as his people were a pain...
big list of demands, wouldn't even let me tell the guy over the phone
how to get to our office. He could hear me, but I couldn't hear him..
it was ultra retarded, the way they set up that relay to protect him
because I wasn't in his stratosphere. Oh well. He showed up, chatted
with the guys about video games, and was a doll. And when he'd pass
by, he'd give you that cool blue gaze ... like the movies but x100 all
in a small room. I liked him, and I think that without all those
PEOPLE around him, he'd be just about perfect. (People in the
metaphorical sense cuz thank Xenu he didn't bring the entourage)
His low key "Hey, it helped me in my life" approach to Scientology was
a much better PR strategy than Tom's insane rantings, but then
again... I won't say I regret Tommy jumping the couch because it
opened the floodgates in such a GOOD way!
Have a great day,
-blackdove
barb
If he was really OT, he'd have remembered Tory. And that might have
been both funny and embarrassing.
--
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moontaco
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > mago...@charter.net
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > "They, who give up essential liberty
> > to purchase a little temporary safety,
> > deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> > -- Benjamin Franklin
>
> Tory, I met John briefly through work, and thought he was lovely. I
> wasn't looking forward to meeting him, as his people were a pain...
> big list of demands, wouldn't even let me tell the guy over the phone
> how to get to our office. He could hear me, but I couldn't hear him..
> it was ultra retarded, the way they set up that relay to protect him
> because I wasn't in his stratosphere. Oh well. He showed up, chatted
> with the guys about video games, and was a doll. And when he'd pass
> by, he'd give you that cool blue gaze ... like the movies but x100 all
> in a small room. I liked him, and I think that without all those
> PEOPLE around him, he'd be just about perfect. (People in the
> metaphorical sense cuz thank Xenu he didn't bring the entourage)
>
> His low key "Hey, it helped me in my life" approach to Scientology was
> a much better PR strategy than Tom's insane rantings, but then
> again... I won't say I regret Tommy jumping the couch because it
> opened the floodgates in such a GOOD way!
I absolutely agree with you on Travolta vs. Cruise. I've appreciated
all the harm Tom's done to the cult (enjoyed it, in fact). Travolta's
low-key approach has been "smarter," from a PR standpoint. If Travolta
lost it and wreaked the kind of destruction Cruise has, I don't think
I'd enjoy it as much. I feel more sympathetic toward him.
Damn. I wish these people would get the hell out.
Beth
Magoo
"barb" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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He *did* remember me. it was cool for both of us, and that's all I'll say.
I don't agree with this,
re he being "OT" or not. He's an excellent actor, was from when he first
began. He was Scientology's 1st "Star" having nailed "Welcome Back Codder".
Whether people here like him as an actor or not, is immaterial. He's done
well, is successful, is happy doing what he wanted (and wants) to do, and
the audience loved him.
OT or not.................those are good things for anyone acting.
I agree there are no "OT's", and he's proof he was just as successful (and
fun) when he began Scientology as now.
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Mark Bunker" <markb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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way, eh? :)
I just spent 13 hours at work so perhaps I'm tired
> but I am giddy at the thought of the great Curt Douglas appearing with
> Travolta! Imagine how much better the event would be though with Kirk
> Douglas. Now that would be something.
Totally---and it will be, tonight! This Is the event, tonight.
Sadly, he didn't invite me <grin>
>
> I hope Curt's son Mikhael can be there!
No kidding :)
>
>
>> Great night--------I left thinking, IF I was going to miss Scientology,
>> it is because of people like John Travolta.
>> He's certainly the best of that group: Always has been, always will be.
>>
>> And I LOVE LA---for that reason. It's SO fun to be able to drive for 20
>> minutes and spend an evening like this.
>>
>> I'm smiling...............
Take time to smell the roses, Mark....I mean it!
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"blackdove" <januar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah.......funny you mention that. At the Aero they often have various
people from movies there to speak after. Perhaps he was the biggest star
they've had (outside of the entire cast of Broke Back Mountain, but even
that was different. Popular stars, but not JT. (At least recent big
"Stars"---as they often show older movies, so even though the stars are huge
in name, or Direcors, the poperazzi I guess don't have that same insanity).
They told me after it *had* gotten a bit out of control with the poperazzi
as they just weren't prepared for how many arrived when John did.
People literally leaped up on the stage and were all over him.
I have to say, it handle it with a delightful grace and joy.
Slowly moving down the stage, he talked, signed, and smiled...until he got
to me :) Yup--I was there, but I stood in the correct area, vs. on the
stage!.
I wanted to say/without any words: "HI! Hey kiddo, I'm out, and I still
love you, and I don't *need* to put you down, or say
~~anything~~anti-Scientology" I knew that would have more effect to him,
than anything I could say, and I could see in his eyes a strong connection
and love.
He's a great guy and he has done a super job with his career, whatever
people here think of him. Per his words,
he's doing EXACTLY what he (and his manager) envisioned.
( He admitted his goal was just to work, and get paid doing what he loved:
Acting). His manager has moved his career into where it is today, per his
words last night.
>
> His low key "Hey, it helped me in my life" approach to Scientology was
> a much better PR strategy than Tom's insane rantings,
Exactly!
but then
> again... I won't say I regret Tommy jumping the couch because it
> opened the floodgates in such a GOOD way!
Yes, I'll **always** thank little Tommy Cruise for helping all of us SHOW
what an "OT" looks like :)
(and to think Scientology sent not one but 2 PI's out after me, trying to
see if "Tory is slandering Tom Cruise"
....just because I said that on Inside Edition). HA!
>
> Have a great day,
Thanks, you too~~
Tory/Magoo~~
> -blackdove
>
Magoo
>
> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD" <not-ear...@nor-hotmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:473c06a7$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
>>> Maybe he'll finally quit the cult and "come out" at last, judging by
>>> that enthusiasm for the fat suit. Then he could develop some acting
>>> ability after he stops keeping himself from being just a Scientologist
>>> with a non-existent development curve.
>>
>> Well, that's easy to say from your computer. Sitting amongst a full house
>> of people who love him very much,
>> I don't agree with you re a "non-existent developement
>> curve"---but I'm not surprised. I figured my post
>> may ruffle a few critics feathers, and that's Ok, too.
>
> I sat in a theater populated mostly by people who loved JT very much in
> 2000. Well, more like pod people actually, manic, smiling, clapping
> Scientologists to be precise. "Battlefield Earth" to be specific (I'd
> bought a ticket to "Gladiator" and just gone into BE, so to not pay the
> cult mo money).
Hey............keep in mind I was there for BattleField Earth
WITH OSA_____ I was "in", and we're talking about
a 100% different situation. We "in" thought BE was a NIGHTMARE___and yes,
people in the audience were mostly Scios, not fans, and yes, forced
applause, etc.
It was all I could do to keep from going all MST3K in the middle
> of it, but I was by myself, and had a feeling it would not be a good idea
> to have people following me on the sidewalk shrieking "What are your
> crimes?"
Understood. Well, we, as OSA, went to his private party after...and he came
up to me and gave me a big hug and said, "I'll never forget you and Vicki"
(The other supervisor back when he first got Welcome Back Codder). We were
outside,
you had to have a badge to get in. I decided the Hell with this, I WANT TO
GO TO THE PARTY. So I just walked in with another guy----talked to John, and
got drinks for Yaude (Yeah, there, too) and Gavino---and handed them drinks
and said, "I'd like to congratulate you men on your security" :)
> at me. So you'll forgive me for saying that perhaps getting all
> happy-clappy about Travolta is a remnant from your Scientology programming
> that hasn't been cleared out as yet.
Man if that isn't a bullshit evaluation from someone,
I'm not sure what is. You're comparing apples to oranges,
and remember---I was at the show you're talking about with BE, so I get that
*was* nuts. This wasn't that.
Also, you weren't there last night, when it was real, it was with
people ---just every day fans, ((I know most Scios, and few if any were
there), and it is how I feel. I like John, I've known him for 30 years, and
the fact that you have a need to try to ram some think you have of me and my
supposed "remnant Scientology programming" ---let's just say I don't
appreciate it.
It's one thing to hear the crap from the OSA floormats here, it's totally
another to get it from a critic, again, who I don't think has even met me,
obviously cannot hear how I feel, or allow me to have feelings unlike yours.
That's too bad, and one reason the media does interview me: As they've told
me: "We can get *both* sides from you. You're not someone where EVERYTHING
is all bad in Scientology" and I'm not. This is one of those things. Sorry
you missed it.
>
> Defining the non-existent development curve: actors especially show this,
> in that their development in everything not involved with Scientology
> absolutely halts after a time. If JT didn't have a publicity group and an
> agent, would anyone other than Tarantino have bothered?
Well, that's your take. I don't think Scientology had much to do with his
career at all, and that's what I said from the beginning. This is about
John---and I *feel* he arrived with the skills he still has..... as I saw
them! He's done well, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.
>
>> I also hope one day he blasts out of Scientology, but I don't see it
>> anytime soon. It's too easy being "in"...and he sees none of what we
>> who've left have been exposed to.
Yeah.......I hope he blasts out, too. But I won't hold my breath.
I think Scientology gives the Celebs a super insulated fantastic base: why
leave? Sure, they *should*---but again,
THEY DON'T SEE OR HEAR what we do. That was set up,
long ago.
Doesn't mean I cannot enjoy someone I like. Sometimes (I think---and I grew
up with this from my Mom) one has to take time, still, to smell the
roses..... and last night was one of mine I thought I'd share with you all.
Scientoligsts or not, I enjoyed seeing the movie, and listening to his fans,
and he speaking.
My best,
magicus
Hi Tory,
On Nov 15, 3:08 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> There are a few things and certainly many people
> in Scientology that I miss, still, and one of them
> for sure is John Travolta.
I would like you to know that given yr recent totally positive
description of yr experiences w/ John Travolta made me rethink my
position on boycotting in this case musicians (Chick Corea & Mark
Isham) for their involvement w/ CO$. Thank you for showing me that
on one hand we can be opposed to what Scientology does and on the
other hand can still support and enjoy people who are involved with
it.
I just left you a message on yr answering machine. In a previous post
you didn't seem to know who I was despite a current conversation w/
you on the phone. I attribute that to the fact that when I called you
I used my real name rather than the one that shows up here. Sorry for
the confusion.
Keep up the good work!
Magoo
"magicus" <fpr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:655ef8d0-4c4f-48eb...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hi Tory,
>
> On Nov 15, 3:08 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> There are a few things and certainly many people
>> in Scientology that I miss, still, and one of them
>> for sure is John Travolta.
>
> I would like you to know that given yr recent totally positive
> description of yr experiences w/ John Travolta made me rethink my
> position on boycotting in this case musicians (Chick Corea & Mark
> Isham) for their involvement w/ CO$. Thank you for showing me that
> on one hand we can be opposed to what Scientology does and on the
> other hand can still support and enjoy people who are involved with
> it.
Sure....I honestly believe we all have to find our own ways,
and if there is someone's work we truly enjoy, although I know some critics
are strong believers in boycotting them--I never have been. I enjoy all
kinds of art, and someone's allegiance to any group (Even Scientology)
doesn't change my enjoying their works. Perhaps some critisc are against
that, and I truly
do understand that view, too, it's just not mine.
I think Yvonne J (who started Celebrity Center) had the BEST view: Re SP's
(Suppressive people, those that No one within C of S is supposed to talk
to). Her view was, "We should go have lunch with them. If WE don't talk
with them, how will we *ever* get them back?"
To me, that's a very sain way to view things. The same is opposite re them:
If we, the critics, refuse to even see them---there's one more possible
chance to put a dent in their Scio/Truman show, too. Andreas was a *great*
example of that, for me, when few other critics would even talk to me, let
alone help me, (except to promote their views of Hubbard and Scientology).
See what happened? Ya just *never* know. Plus as I said, I believe in
enjoying things I enjoy.
>
> I just left you a message on yr answering machine.
Got it, :)
In a previous post
> you didn't seem to know who I was despite a current conversation w/
> you on the phone. I attribute that to the fact that when I called you
> I used my real name rather than the one that shows up here. Sorry for
> the confusion.
Well, I talk with *tons* of people, so sorry if I didn't remember who you
were. Until I really sit and talk with people for awhile, I often need a
little reminder of who someone is. It's been all through my life, since
Scientology
helped damage my short term memory.
>
> Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!
Best,
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
I wasn't up for it, this am.
This afternoon, I still disagree with it, but I've had my am coffee, and
eaten---so I'm not as grumpy as that.
:)
Tory/Magoo~~
"Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD" <not-ear...@nor-hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:473c...@news2.lightlink.com...
Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD
I wouldn't call it 'crap' at all. Nonetheless you can't deny that it's a
possibility that enforced, repetitive behavior can have after-effects in
ways one could never anticipate.
> That's too bad, and one reason the media does interview me: As they've
> told me: "We can get *both* sides from you. You're not someone where
> EVERYTHING is all bad in Scientology" and I'm not. This is one of those
> things. Sorry you missed it.
Well, you've made the point that you're a big Travolta fan, exclusive of
your activities in the Scientology cult. This is correct?
>> Defining the non-existent development curve: actors especially show this,
>> in that their development in everything not involved with Scientology
>> absolutely halts after a time. If JT didn't have a publicity group and
>> an agent, would anyone other than Tarantino have bothered?
>
> Well, that's your take. I don't think Scientology had much to do with his
> career at all, and that's what I said from the beginning. This is about
> John---and I *feel* he arrived with the skills he still has..... as I saw
> them! He's done well, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.
He was 'in' from the beginning of his non-dancing career, and was trying to
get everyone on the "Welcome Back Kotter" show to join the cult as well.
The cult presents him as 'doing well', his PR machine does too. But of
course with Hollywood folk, what you see is not what you get. Let's hope he
wakes up one of these days and develops a spine enough to call a cult a cult
publicly. Or just wakes up and blows the cult like you did. Either way I
can easily predict his acting will improve if he's capable, once he leaves
the mind-control process he presently shills for as The Answer.
>>> I also hope one day he blasts out of Scientology, but I don't see it
>>> anytime soon. It's too easy being "in"...and he sees none of what we
>>> who've left have been exposed to.
>
> Yeah.......I hope he blasts out, too. But I won't hold my breath.
> I think Scientology gives the Celebs a super insulated fantastic base: why
> leave? Sure, they *should*---but again,
> THEY DON'T SEE OR HEAR what we do. That was set up,
> long ago.
>
> Doesn't mean I cannot enjoy someone I like. Sometimes (I think---and I
> grew up with this from my Mom) one has to take time, still, to smell the
> roses..... and last night was one of mine I thought I'd share with you
> all.
> Scientoligsts or not, I enjoyed seeing the movie, and listening to his
> fans, and he speaking.
Go for it. But give me Divine any day over Travolta. Then again if JT
would repeat some of the more interesting scenes in "Pink Flamingos" I'd pay
more attention.
--
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/panorama-scientology-and-me/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2535187,00.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology
http://xenu.com-it.net/txt/ildikoe.htm
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
Skipper
wrote:
Right, and what did that get her?
A brain tumor, cancer, and abandonment by Elwrong the creep.
Yvonne had a lot of ideas, most of them bad, because she was so
confused by Elwrong, whom she worshipped.
Skipper
<655ef8d0-4c4f-48eb...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
magicus <fpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've met all of them, but you both broadly miss the point.
"Travolta is such a nice guy" - yet he gets people into $cientology and
tries to play down how evil it is and all the people it hurts, because
they keep that away from him (I've seen this happen).
Same with Chick (who's the nicest of the three), who is VERY
stringently against anyone who doesn't like $cientology.
Isham was a knock-around rock musician until he got into doing scores,
which I think came about when Donna Linson, sister of producer Art
Linson (who's out of $cientology now), got him into it via Art. (Donna
married Mark.) He does good scores but believe this - there's a BIG
$cientology cabal where they hire each other incessantly, therefore
discriminating against people of other religions and persuasions. And
if you don't think they do this, you're truly not paying attention.
I boycott $cientologists in whatever medium. It's my right to do so. My
thought is that if I put money in their pockets, they give a
disproportionate amount of it to an evil cult, who does a GREAT deal of
harm and ruins lives.
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.not> wrote in message
news:151120071746527346%skipsp...@charter.not...
And I respect your feelings and actions about that, Skipper.
I just don't quite agree----but hey, life rolls on.
Perhaps next year I will...:)
Best,
Tory/Magoo~~
Skipper
<mag...@charter.net> wrote:
Most of my involvement in the cult was in and around Celebrity Centre.
The only person who knows more about what went on with the celebrities
and Yvonne is Spanky Taylor, and I know things she doesn't know. I
don't know if you were around CC with its separate course room for
"celebs" and "regular public." People like Travolta were CONSTANTLY
kept from the goings-on of the evils of $cientology. If you have such
fondness for him, take an opportunity like that to tell him - Hey John,
did you know the real story about the death of Lisa McPherson? Did
anyone ever tell you about suicides like Philip Gale, Megan Shields
daughter? Did you ever bother to try to check any of it out, or did you
just let yourself get "dead-agented"?
Etc.
Magoo
You wouldn't call the flat out lies about me and others, written by OSA and
posted "Crap"? What would you call it? Just curious.
No, I don't deny anything----however, I do say your assuming my liking JohnT
is this description I don't believe to be true.
You can.....and I can't........we both have that right. The key difference
is *I* had a good time last night, and you didn't (at that show). All the
rest is theory.
I could say the same about you: You immediately Associated your bad
experience with ALL of JT's movies, and that *could* be labeled as you say:
" behavior can have after-effects in
> ways one could never anticipate".
See how easy it is to "analyze" others? (A joke, sort of)
>
>> That's too bad, and one reason the media does interview me: As they've
>> told me: "We can get *both* sides from you. You're not someone where
>> EVERYTHING is all bad in Scientology" and I'm not. This is one of those
>> things. Sorry you missed it.
>
> Well, you've made the point that you're a big Travolta fan, exclusive of
> your activities in the Scientology cult. This is correct?
I wouldn't say I'm a "big Travolta fan"---I'd say I enjoyed his movie, and
many of his I like (Pulp Fiction is a favorite)
and yes, I can differentiate an artist from the cult, if that's your
question. I also like JT--he's a good guy, nice,
fun, and always has been--way before Scientology.
I also believe that communicating with people, any kind of person, is FAR
more successful than trying to impose your ideas, no matter how "correct" on
them. I learned that the hard way, talking to critics while "in"--and
totally unable to hear any of them.
Finally *one* day, a young man came up to me and kept asking me, in a VERY
nice way, and truly curious:
"But IF you're Free: Why can't you read *a* book?"
I couldn't stop thinking about that. I'd already been in a long waking up
process for about 10 years----but that began the beginning of the cracking
of my Scio/Truman show, towards the end.
>
>>> Defining the non-existent development curve: actors especially show
>>> this, in that their development in everything not involved with
>>> Scientology absolutely halts after a time. If JT didn't have a
>>> publicity group and an agent, would anyone other than Tarantino have
>>> bothered?
>>
>> Well, that's your take. I don't think Scientology had much to do with his
>> career at all, and that's what I said from the beginning. This is about
>> John---and I *feel* he arrived with the skills he still has..... as I saw
>> them! He's done well, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.
>
> He was 'in' from the beginning of his non-dancing career, and was trying
> to get everyone on the "Welcome Back Kotter" show to join the cult as
> well.
Did you work with him? Well, that IS part of a cult: Recruitment---so sure,
he was. When you first find Scientology, esp. back then, it was (we all
thought)
The best. Hell, it took me 30 y e a r s ....getting up to OT 7 (and on that
for 7 years) AND being part of the Top Secret OSA Int Internet gang to
FINALLY SEE what goes down in Scientology, for real. It's NOT pretty---but
he'll never see it, or I never say never, so it's doubtful he will. I
hope---I really hope--he does.
> The cult presents him as 'doing well', his PR machine does too. But of
> course with Hollywood folk, what you see is not what you get. Let's hope
> he wakes up one of these days and develops a spine enough to call a cult a
> cult publicly. Or just wakes up and blows the cult like you did. Either
> way I can easily predict his acting will improve if he's capable, once he
> leaves the mind-control process he presently shills for as The Answer.
Well, I think we can all predict ALL of the people "In" the cult of
Scientology will do much better, once they finally get out of that damned
solid, yuckie, "you_must_do_what_***WE*** say" totalitarian system.
>
>>>> I also hope one day he blasts out of Scientology, but I don't see it
>>>> anytime soon. It's too easy being "in"...and he sees none of what we
>>>> who've left have been exposed to.
>>
>> Yeah.......I hope he blasts out, too. But I won't hold my breath.
>> I think Scientology gives the Celebs a super insulated fantastic base:
>> why leave? Sure, they *should*---but again,
>> THEY DON'T SEE OR HEAR what we do. That was set up,
>> long ago.
>>
>> Doesn't mean I cannot enjoy someone I like. Sometimes (I think---and I
>> grew up with this from my Mom) one has to take time, still, to smell the
>> roses..... and last night was one of mine I thought I'd share with you
>> all.
>> Scientoligsts or not, I enjoyed seeing the movie, and listening to his
>> fans, and he speaking.
>
> Go for it. But give me Divine any day over Travolta. Then again if JT
> would repeat some of the more interesting scenes in "Pink Flamingos" I'd
> pay more attention.
:) LOL>>>>>>>>>Well, there ya go. I never saw "Pink Flamingos" But it sounds
like a good one, eh?
Take care........
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.not> wrote in message
A lot of it for me was, too. Did you see Amanda died recently? She was great
in the old days----I loved hearing her sing.
> The only person who knows more about what went on with the celebrities
> and Yvonne is Spanky Taylor, and I know things she doesn't know. I
> don't know if you were around CC with its separate course room for
> "celebs" and "regular public."
Yup-------and I saw their new one, in 2000, with the new, private parking
lot for the celebs, their own entrance to CC, so no one has to even see
them, AND their private courseroom. Nice set up for mind control, eh?
People like Travolta were CONSTANTLY
> kept from the goings-on of the evils of $cientology.
This I know, completely.
If you have such
> fondness for him, take an opportunity like that to tell him - Hey John,
> did you know the real story about the death of Lisa McPherson? Did
> anyone ever tell you about suicides like Philip Gale, Megan Shields
> daughter? Did you ever bother to try to check any of it out, or did you
> just let yourself get "dead-agented"?
Well, in the two seconds I had to say, "hi"---I knew that wasn't going to
happen, but it's my hope some of his outside
"Friends" get him the info. You and I both know the other side of JT, and
that's a VERY good thang, for many reasons. :)
There's hope....especially with the Net--Scientology has lost ALL Hold for
staff, public, AND celebrities, really.
HAHAHAHAHA! OSA:::: You created your enemies,
and they're only growing daily, thanks to your very actions.
Keep up the **great**work! :)
Best to all,
Tory/Magoo~~
>
> Etc.
Skipper
wrote:
I did, but she like my friend Manu Topou simply got in and couldn't get
out. They built their entire life around their $cientology friends and
couldn't walk away. So did I, but I walked from them all, and later
found that some felt the same way, but couldn't break away. The only
nightmares I've had, for years, was about going back to my old
$cientology hangouts, telling people how well I was doing, trying to
show them they could just leave if they want, and they just smile sadly
at me and go about their business like zombies.
[snip]
> There's hope....especially with the Net--Scientology has lost ALL Hold for
> staff, public, AND celebrities, really.
One would hope, but I think the reality isn't so easy. First of all,
most of them are actors, most with lousy educations and they're not
very bright beyond working a room and delivering lines. (Yeah, I know,
Travolta flies jets, la de da.) Most of them aren't that talented.
They herd together like sheep before a storm, smugly bleating at each
other that they're bravely saving the universe and becoming gods and
goddesses. Very sad group delusion, but the price of ego run amok is
always oblivion.
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.not> wrote in message
Good points, and why I don't have tons of hope for the "Celebrities" in
Scientology, either. You've described them well..........and it's hard
enough to wake up---in fact, it was almost impossible for me to. I just
*happened* to be willing to question things, (as well as be a part of some
super odd stuff, which once I connected the dots, the rest is history) and
when that began, the shit began to FLY.
The celebs, with their TOTALLY insulated worlds, with the inbred
'Scientology audiences" all around the world (although seriously dwindling,
I'm sure DM's pitch of the 8 million helps, even if totally false--and hey,
most of them never saw the *real* Scientology, anyways--so how would they
know?)
Why leave? They ARE the glue that keeps Scientology going....and that is
irritating, but hey, happily most are finding their ways to the Net,
learning about C of S,
and you couldn't 'reg' them with a 10 foot pole.
Glad you're doing well. Understand about the bad dream---
that sucks, always will, but it sure is rewarding when One of them
"blows" ---and many are these days! :)
Did you read Mike Rinder is OUT?
Now that guy would write a book and make a skillion,
If they didn't put him in jail. I guess he'd need to tell ALL
and many who leave aren't willing to do that.
We'll see.............
Happy Holidays, Skipper---
Tory/Magoo~~
Kevin Brady
The problem, in my opinion, is the fear. Fear of loss of Bridge, for those
who still see validity to the "Tech", fear of harassment that they've been
educated will occur (yes, it's well known, when you're a scientologist that
scientologists essentially use guerilla warfare tactics on bigger, slower
and more morality-bound opponents, and when it dawns upon you that you are
about to become one of those opponents, it can require a moment or two of
"clarity", prior to making that decision, due to the inculcation of fear of
what the Church does to their enemies. And they do have enemies. They made
them, that's how they know. And they declared them as such, and announced
to them beforehand that they would use all measures, legal and "extra-legal"
to destroy them utterly.
This doesn't breed goodwill in apostates. There is no leaving scientology
without a fight, a fight in which most of us lost something dear to us, or
will lose something dear to us, if we're sitting on the fence. There's no
getting around it, sometimes, and it's specifically incorporated into the
culture of the Church to make people aware of this. The threat is implied
in the Ethics Conditions. When you are declared an enemy by the Church, a
scientologist who's considered the meaning of stamping out of existence, per
KSW, the threat is definitely there.
That said? People, I've been completely out, for ten years. Earlier than
that I left, but they still had a big part of me, because I was continuously
worried about loss of my family, and because I was unaware of the abuses and
deception that were in store for me, and that had been heaped upon others
targeted as marks or enemies of this mad charlatan's nightmare. I've
experienced minor and unprovable abuse from the Church, in the form of phone
calls where there was no one talking on the other end for years at bizarre
hours, odd accusations at work-places not born out of any activity or words
from me, and of course, the actual loss of my wife and children. It's hard
for me to say if it was worth leaving. I have my own sense of self intact,
and have been able to build a life for myself that I enjoy and that I think
is beneficial to the communities I'm part of. I'm just being honest,
although I know this may reinforce a fear a fence-sitter may have. My
experience was, other than imprisonment or death, I think, a worst-case
scenario, largely because I was young, and naive, and because I didn't
really understand my legal rights, grok how far away from me my wife had
gone while I thought she was right there. Some have walked away intact. I
was afraid to talk about my doubts and considerations with my spouse, but it
may well have been that she may have shared them. Had I disclosed them to
her, we might have nipped it in the bud, right there, rather than quietly
believing that the other believed, and so we'd better not risk alienating
each other, when other stresses were already putting us at odds.
For the fence-sitters, I'd say that you should walk away, no matter what the
cost. Understand that what you are dealing with is an organization which
will take everything from you, sooner or later, and sooner is their agenda.
They will take everything from the ones you love, too. Not just material
things. But they will slowly convince you, more and more, that you cannot
be free without them, and your will shall be focused by them to causes that
if you truely observed, you wouldn't support. This will happen to the ones
you love, too, unless you get out, and take them with you. It's only a
matter of time. The longer you are in, the longer you let your fears of
loss govern you, the more you will eventually stand to lose, as they cause
you to further and further compromise your personal integrity in support of
their causes.
I feel terrible that I wasn't able to protect my children from this cult,
and will never stop being devastated about losing the love of my life to
this group, and that I introduced her to it is almost too much to bear. Do
what you can. Communication is your best bet, but nothing is guaranteed,
except this: the longer you expose yourself and your connections to the
Church of Scientology, the more likely you will lose your most cherished
assets to them. If you walk away, there is a chance your spouse or children
or others in your family will walk with you.
At first, this is what my ex-wife did. But then I fell in to the trap of
doing my A to E steps while she agreed to fulfill her staff contract, and we
were manipulated into parting for this, to increase the speed of both
getting done faster. In the end, she was secluded from all communication
from me, and my petitions were either denied, or my records "lost". These
people do not play fair, and I'm not going to minimize the pain that this
caused me. I won't paint a rosy scenario that you'll walk away and all will
be fine and dandy. Some have had that experience, and I marvel at that, and
others have suffered far worse than I have.
I hope to one day be reunited with my children. I think it will happen. I
trust my genes, and I know they are smart kids. I would love to understand
my ex, and for her to understand me, again, but I don't think that's to be,
even if Scientolology were out of the picture, at this point, due to the
water that's passed under the "Bridge". I can let it go, but she gave up a
lot, also. She lost contact with a provider for her children, and I have no
idea what sort of privations she had to undergo to survive and put food in
front of them. While I was and am still a pain in the ass, I did provide
for my children, and would have continued to do so, and will still do so, if
I'm ever called on to do so. In my own ways, I've been able to provide help
waiting in the wings, should they reach for it. They can get employment
outside the reach of scientologists, with people who are aware what they are
leaving, fully, in cutting edge fields for young mathmaticians or graphic
artists. I have a friend in artificial intelligence who's made it plain he
would hire Zeb at a paying internship if he will just take it. Gabby is too
young to think of working, really, she should remain in school (the
internship for Zeb would be an academic one, leading towards a PhD in AI
Systems), but I can provide the funds for her to go to an art school far
from the influence of the Church, an Early College I myself attended, who
would most likely embrace her skills, intelligence and character absolutely
immediately, and they accept students as young as 12 years old, room and
board, full access to college level classes, very strong arts curriculum,
with extraordinary alumni networking. They CAN walk away with my support,
any time they want, if it gets to be too much, and they will research me and
learn to trust me, rather than believing the hyperbole and likely
invented/distorted crap they've probably heard about me for these ten years.
In the end, it comes down to whether you will live free or die quietly,
without the Church's sorrow.
Skipper
wrote:
Happy holidays to you, too, Tory. I did read about Rinder, but I don't
think the public would care about a book from him. Your story is more
interesting, frankly.
I responded to this about John because he's the key card in the house
of cards.
Most of the public across the world now think Tom Cruise is nuts.
That's simply a fact. Andrew Morton's book will be read by enough
people that they'll think a lot more than nuts, they'll be disgusted.
Travolta, however, is not seen with the same disdain because he has
more class and a general disposition to get along with people that
Cruise, if he ever had it, lost along the way and will never recover.
Travolta stated publicly in a printed interview in Rolling Stone in the
80s that he wasn't fond of what the then current management was doing.
There were NO repercussions to him at the time.
If Travolta wised up, he'd realize that no matter what personal
blackmail the cult might cull from his PC folders and leak to the
press, the public wouldn't care. As long as he wasn't a child molester,
the public wouldn't care. The public's very forgiving of things some
people think would ruin careers. Example: Ellen Degeneres "came out"
and it was such a big deal. Now the people that like Ellen could care
less, and it hasn't hurt her career.
Travolta doesn't play male romantic leads any more, anyway. He should
leave $cientology, get some non-$cientology help for his kid who needs
it, and get the giant career boost that leaving $cientology would give
him, to say nothing of the life boost he'd get. He has LOTS of
non-$cientology friends.
Cruise's career is almost over, thanks to $cientology.
$cientology is almost over, thanks to Cruise.
If Travolta left, the celebrity contingent would collapse within a year.
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.not> wrote in message
I'm with you, 100%! Well said, on both counts.
I always say on TV:," Thank you to Tom Cruise for SHOWING the world what an
"OT" really looks like".
Scientology sent out their PI's after that, to "See if Tory is libeling Tom
Cruise". HUH? Thanking him for showing what an "OT" looks like is libel? Now
~that's~ an interesting concept, eh?
Anyway, we'll see what happens. Sadly, I think JT is still amongst those
that love their "Friends" too much to leave.
It took me hearing from Andreas, "What kind of friends could those be, if
they're going to LEAVE you because YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND?" (My caps, not
his)....for me to fully realize:
They're only my friends as long as I jump through THEIR HOOPS, THEIR WAY.
The minute I didn't...........they proved to me that was true:
CYA~ They declared me an SP, without even a Comm Ev
or even telling me I was up for a declare-----I never got to even tell *my*
side of it to them, and you've seen the rest.
I figured, Hey! Scientology thinks they own justice....well,
let's just see. And bingo~~~ my internet/out of Scientology life began, and
I've met more wonderful, helpful people than I could ever dream of while
"in".
Hopefully, as I said, one of his outside "Friends" shall get some of the
FACTS to him.
HH's to you, again, and thanks for your good wishes,
Tory/Magoo~~~
moontaco
> In article <9sb%i.270$_X2...@newsfe06.lga>, Magoo <mago...@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Skipper" <skipspaml...@charter.not> wrote in message
> >news:151120072257178395%skipsp...@charter.not...
> > > In article <v5a%i.171$_X2...@newsfe06.lga>, Magoo <mago...@charter.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> "Skipper" <skipspaml...@charter.not> wrote in message
> > >>news:151120071824353917%skipsp...@charter.not...
> > >> > In article <MM6%i.1275$wL7....@newsfe07.lga>, Magoo
> > >> > <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> "Skipper" <skipspaml...@charter.not> wrote in message
> > >> >>news:151120071746527346%skipsp...@charter.not...
> > >> >> > In article
> > >> >> > <655ef8d0-4c4f-48eb-a537-716b9852f...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Really? No sec check or handling? I'm surprised to hear that.
Skipper
<ac6accfd-5c24-4065...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
moontaco <moont...@yahoo.com> wrote:
None that I know of, anyway. I really don't think they can screw with
him much.
Red Mage Moogle
A theory of mine he's scared of the blackmail aspect.
Or possibly it's because they treat celebrities so lavishly that they
never see the dark side.
But note the word "theory". Meaning it's only plausible, any Scn lurkers...
Everyone else: Thoughts?
--
RMM, servant of Xenu
zidane_tribal_64(at)hotmail(dot)com
Skipper
<182e73ef-1277-4dc2...@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <crt...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Or possibly it's because they treat celebrities so lavishly that they
> > never see the dark side.
> >
> > But note the word "theory". Meaning it's only plausible, any Scn lurkers...
> >
> > Everyone else: Thoughts?
>
> Yes, I believe some are treated lavishly. Thus Trovolta probably
> hasn't seen or heard of the dark side. Thus he can't help being the
> way he is in relation to Scientology.
>
> CofS Churchies are also insulated to a degree from the dark side, I
> was, big time.
>
> Thank the two guys from the sixties you came up with Apple and whoever
> came up with the Intenet to bring some light into the dark.
>
Hey, are you Curt Douglas?
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.not> wrote in message
They *may* Sec Check him, but if they do, it's with a light touch, as they
are with all the celebs. Certainly, he gets VERY special treatment, and that
we both know began when Celebrity Center began.
I'm sure they pitch in the "you need to be resposible, John" and the "You
could change the world" lines, too. Whatever bites---they'll use.
If they need to drive him around in a yellow corvette, they will. It's what
John Travolta *needs*, he gets.
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Red Mage Moogle" <zidane_t...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:473e326c$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
Naw............highly doubtful, as he's already "come out" for most of the
community he hangs with. He's not a fearful guy.
>
> Or possibly it's because they treat celebrities so lavishly that they
> never see the dark side.
Yup......you got *that* one right.
>
> But note the word "theory". Meaning it's only plausible, any Scn
> lurkers...
>
> Everyone else: Thoughts?
The red carpet treatment, combined with TOTAL Insulation
from 'the real world' (re Scientology)--- and also any harmful things
Scientology does are either kept from them, or immediatly "Handled". I lived
through a number of those, and I have to say, they *seemed* (At the time)
honestly correct. Were they? Hell no, but they sure LOOKED or sounded
correct.
It took a GREAT deal of connecting the dots, for me
to actually SEE what was going on, and remember, I'm NOT
a celebrity---I didn't have the red carpet treatment,
and I DID have access to all kinds of *shit* they pulled.
Best,
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Curt" <crt...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:182e73ef-1277-4dc2...@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Or possibly it's because they treat celebrities so lavishly that they
>> never see the dark side.
>>
>> But note the word "theory". Meaning it's only plausible, any Scn
>> lurkers...
>>
>> Everyone else: Thoughts?
>
> hasn't seen or heard of the dark side. Thus he can't help being the
> way he is in relation to Scientology.
>
> CofS Churchies are also insulated to a degree from the dark side, I
> was, big time.
>
> Thank the two guys from the sixties you came up with Apple and whoever
> came up with the Intenet to bring some light into the dark.
ABSOLUTELY!
T
>
>
>
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.not> wrote in message
LOL....good one, Skipper.
T
Rev. Norle Enturbulata, COD
"Curt" <crt...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:182e73ef-1277-4dc2...@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> never see the dark side.
>>
>> But note the word "theory". Meaning it's only plausible, any Scn
>> lurkers...
>>
>> Everyone else: Thoughts?
>
> hasn't seen or heard of the dark side. Thus he can't help being the
> way he is in relation to Scientology.
>
> CofS Churchies are also insulated to a degree from the dark side, I
> was, big time.
>
> Thank the two guys from the sixties you came up with Apple and whoever
> came up with the Intenet to bring some light into the dark.
Well, you can thank the combination of the US military and the university
system for the Internet. If you've been an Apple user from the beginning of
your computified life I suppose you would think that Jobs and Wozniak had a
part in that, too, however mistakenly.
Magoo
Well, I personally think Johnny is on his way out. It may take awhile,
but I doubt too long. This thread began *way* before all that is out
Now, and prior to he losing his son, I think. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!
Time shall tell. As I've said for years: Tick Tock, Tick Tock,
Time is on *our* sides! :)
If you're lurking, and reading this, keep reading, keep looking, listening,
and make up your *own* mind. Once you do, make the leap--and come
enjoy life with all of us outside. :)
My best,
Tory/Magoo
>>>
>
>
Skipper
<mag...@charter.net> wrote:
I could care less. All he does is play sneering villains any more. I
don't give a damn who Travolta is screwing, what plane he's flying, how
fat he is or isn't, or how much bi stuff is going on in his and Kelly's
lives. I don't think the public gives a damn whether he's in or out or
not, because any more he's like your crazy uncle that you've gotten
used to, and he's never going to do another serious or moving part in a
film in his life.