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 More options Jan 22 2008, 5:48 pm
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "JAFAW" <a...@anon.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:48:03 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 22 2008 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Anonymous

"FTSOH" <FT...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:09:47 -0800 (PST).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> <a0379f0b-b694-45ed-aa07-464e96c64...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
> And the Organization Header: http://groups.google.com.
> The famous author: cultxpt <cult...@gmail.com>.
> Wrote on the subject: Open Letter to Anonymous:

> >[This is assuming that there really is a group of netizens who've
> >decided to take on Scientology through harassment, DOS attacks,  and
> >dirty tricks]

> >Dear Anonymous,

> >   It's understandable that people get upset over the things the
> >Church of Scientology has done online and off. They harass, sue, play
> >dirty tricks on people, lie, etc.  They tried to shut down a.r.s.
> >They spam our newsgroup to this day.
> >   So I can see why you'd think damn it, it's time somebody shut them
> >down!
> >   I'll just give you my insight for whatever it's worth. I've been a
> >public critic of Scientology since 1987. I've been on a.r.s. since
> >1994.  My actions are pretty well known, and in fact you can go to
> >youtube and watch a lot of our protests and such, or go to
> >lisamcpherson.org and see some more of my activism.  Also, I'm older.
> >I'm 52. So if it's of any value, here's an old, experienced critic's 2
> >cents.
> >   The internet has already taken a big whack out of Scientology. Free
> >speech has allowed us critics to expose many of the  lies and horrible
> >actions of Co$ for all the world to see. We've protested, right at
> >their front door. We've been on radio, TV, newspapers, magazines. So
> >it's not like you have to jump in and reinvent the wheel, or assume
> >nobody's been doing anything.
> >   We've been quite successful because of the Golden Rule of the
> >Internet; Free Speech for Everybody. In fact, whenever Co$ has
> >attacked our free speech, it has spawned dozens and dozens of new
> >critics who would not otherwise have cared about this cult.  Most of
> >us, and indeed most netizens, value free speech almost religiously.
> >   So, as I understand it, one of your first methods for dealing with
> >Scientology is to shut down their web sites.  This goes against the
> >Golden Rule.  By silencing them in one format, all you've done is make
> >a martyr out of the cult. Martyrdom is GOOD for Scientology. It's
> >something for the members to rally around. It's proof that they're in
> >the right because they're being persecuted.  Externally, it makes some
> >people ask "why is a church being attacked?"  So you've lost me at
> >hello.
> >   The weapons we choose are important. Our weapons as critics are
> >reason, evidence, argument, and free speech. If we "win" [and by win I
> >mean, Co$ renounces its practices and policies that hurt people], then
> >we've won the argument over their policies and actions. However, if
> >YOU win using dirty tricks, harassment, and such, then you still
> >haven't won over their arguments. You've just pounded them into
> >submission.  Their arguments stand.
> >   We're supposed to be the good people. They're supposed to be the
> >bad people. If both sides are being creepy, then the public will just
> >look on this as a battle between two creepy groups and not be very
> >interested. If, however, one side is moral, honest, and just, and the
> >other side STILL beats up on them just for speaking out, there you
> >have a story.  It is this CONTRAST between us and them that is part of
> >our message. The nicer we are, the better the contrast, the more
> >easily it is to see which side is the right side.
> >   I'm very confident that we as critics have severely hampered
> >Scientology. I don't believe our goal is to destroy Scientology as
> >yours seems to be [here I'd better say, I don't represent anybody but
> >myself].  Our goal is to get them to stop locking people up until
> >they're dead, to stop pretending they're doctors, to stop destroying
> >families. If they want to believe in Xenu, fine.  No problem. We can
> >still debate that, but believing in weird things is no reason for some
> >group to fear attack.
> >   If you don't believe my mamby-pamby methods work, consider all the
> >cases in history where such actions did work; Gandhi, Martin Luther
> >King, Jr., Vaclav Havel, etc.  These people didn't harass. They didn't
> >pull dirty tricks. They were straightfoward, honest, moral, and they
> >won.  I believe their methods work admirably well on Scientology as
> >well.
> >   So my wish for you is that you stop a while, listen to some of us
> >who've already been out there on the front lines working to expose
> >Scientology, and reconsider your methods. You seem to be coming onto
> >the stage presuming that us experienced critics never got anything
> >done since Scientology still exists. You're quite wrong.  I hope
> >you'll take time to listen.

> >Jeff Jacobsen
> >for the ARSCC[wdne]

> Don't be so fucking naive Jeff. These people are not really interested in
> the fight against Scientology. They're more interested in testing their
> tech to take down web sites.

> Had it not been Scientology, it would have been any other site of their
> choice.

> Their pathetic excuses and reasons for targeting Scientology is just not
> believable. It's a game to them, nothing ideological at all.

It's the types who just like to "fight the fight" with little or no interest
in the cause.

However, I think what Jeff said was worth saying because I do think there
are some that actually believe their own propaganda.


 
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