Anonymous, one year passed
Ted Mayett
They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
showing up every now and then by an org.
DOX OR STFU
I'll remember them for three specific things. This "documentation or
shut the fuck up" is one them. And for closing the orgs
in Kitchener, Canada and Las Vegas, US. I still remember well the joy
happiness and pride they had when they announced the had shut these
orgs down, had put them out of business. First was Vegas, and they
told us they closed that one down with ONLY TWO RAIDS. Next was
Kitchener and they were proud of that one also, of putting Kitchener
org out of business. Dox or stfu, and orgs closed due to raids, these
are my main memories of anonymous.
One year has passed and they are pretty much dissipated. And on the
Historical Road of the Scientology Timeline they are a pebble, an
almost imperceptible bump in the road. They came, they danced and ate
cake, and they are leaving.
Why did they wear masks? Because they were under the impression that
scientology was dangerous, and they were playing it safe. And History
will record them as faceless and nameless.
Some of the names and faces of the OG could well become part of
History. Women and men who believed in what they were doing and
accepted the dangers or "dangers". But these Anons will be forgotten
save for the word 'anonymous'. Because there was nobody there, nobody
was home, they were hiding.
I speak here of Las Vegas and Kitchener but the fact is they are
claiming more than that when it comes to orgs they have closed. But
they no longer tell us which orgs they have closed with raids. And
you cannot blame them for keeping it a secret when they close an org,
if you mention something like that here somebody is likely to check
into it all. And San Diego does not count, we read the Subject lines
about 'SD org closed due to raids'. But nobody here, and maybe nobody
among anonymous itself is imbecilic enough to believe that the san
diego org is closed. No, when they said that it meant nothing, it was
just something to ignore, it was something Anonymous said and it had
no meaning and no basis in reality. dox or stfu, what a motto. :)
They opened up with about 9000, it was a given that the numbers would
drop, that was a no brainer. And at the time I had said they would
not last the winter except for a few hardcore, and it looks like I was
correct. What lasts is speaking your truth quietly and clearly,
behaving in a manner that reflects what is best in a human. There was
no poetry about these people, nothing gentle or refined. No dignity
no honor, they even hid who they were. It was doomed to be a flash in
the pan. Amen.
--
Ted Mayett
Critical information regarding Scientology:
http://www.solitarytrees.net
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> How will you remember Anonymous?
>
> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
> even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
> showing up every now and then by an org.
>
> DOX OR STFU
>
> I'll remember them for three specific things. This "documentation or
> shut the fuck up" is one them. And for closing the orgs
> in Kitchener, Canada and Las Vegas, US. I still remember well the joy
> happiness and pride they had when they announced the had shut these
> orgs down, had put them out of business. First was Vegas, and they
> told us they closed that one down with ONLY TWO RAIDS. Next was
> Kitchener and they were proud of that one also, of putting Kitchener
> org out of business. Dox or stfu, and orgs closed due to raids, these
> are my main memories of anonymous.
>
> One year has passed and they are pretty much dissipated. And on the
> Historical Road of the Scientology Timeline they are a pebble, an
> almost imperceptible bump in the road. They came, they danced and ate
> cake, and they are leaving.
While numbers are down, that isn't relevant. The number of fliers and
cards handed out, the number of passersby inoculated against
Scientology's deceit and lies are huge. That is the important thing.
Without raw meat, the cult cannot hope to continue supporting DM in the
manner to which he has become accustomed. Anonymous' work isn't all feet
on the street where you can see them. A lot of work goes on quietly in
the background.
>
> Why did they wear masks? Because they were under the impression that
> scientology was dangerous, and they were playing it safe. And History
> will record them as faceless and nameless.
That is the whole point of being 'anonymous,' innit. No leaders. No
egos. Nobody trying to grab glory or take credit. The masks represent
the collective as a whole.
>
> Some of the names and faces of the OG could well become part of
> History. Women and men who believed in what they were doing and
> accepted the dangers or "dangers". But these Anons will be forgotten
> save for the word 'anonymous'. Because there was nobody there, nobody
> was home, they were hiding.
Maybe. But so what? Is the point to assuage your ego, or get something
done? I would much rather be part of a faceless army than part of history.
>
> I speak here of Las Vegas and Kitchener but the fact is they are
> claiming more than that when it comes to orgs they have closed. But
> they no longer tell us which orgs they have closed with raids. And
> you cannot blame them for keeping it a secret when they close an org,
> if you mention something like that here somebody is likely to check
> into it all. And San Diego does not count, we read the Subject lines
> about 'SD org closed due to raids'. But nobody here, and maybe nobody
> among anonymous itself is imbecilic enough to believe that the san
> diego org is closed. No, when they said that it meant nothing, it was
> just something to ignore, it was something Anonymous said and it had
> no meaning and no basis in reality. dox or stfu, what a motto. :)
Um, no. SD org is for sale. Hardly the same thing as "closed." We never
claimed that San Diego was closed, why do you have to interject fantasy
into your screed? <taps on Teddy's head> HELLO MCFLY! Dox or STFU!
See how that works?
>
> They opened up with about 9000, it was a given that the numbers would
> drop, that was a no brainer. And at the time I had said they would
> not last the winter except for a few hardcore, and it looks like I was
> correct. What lasts is speaking your truth quietly and clearly,
> behaving in a manner that reflects what is best in a human.
LOL! Then why lie about the SD org to make your point?
There was
> no poetry about these people, nothing gentle or refined. No dignity
> no honor, they even hid who they were. It was doomed to be a flash in
> the pan. Amen.
You're glib. You don't know Anonymous. I do.
They are clever, witty, profane holy pranksters. They are kind, wicked,
empathetic, ferocious, socially conscious students, professionals,
slackers, crackers, cyberlicious rebels. They are youngsters and
oldsters. They are anybody and everybody. They came up to speed with
terrifying swiftness, quickly learning what it took us ages to grasp.
This wouldn't have happened without the OG's work, but Anonymous has
taken our work to the next level.
They, we, get things done. It's an information war, and we are winning.
You can see it reflected in the comments section of cult related
articles. You can see it reflected when the governor of a state rejects
cult front groups. You can see it where VMs are banned from disaster sites.
No matter how the cult tries to portray itself; disaster response teams,
drug abuse experts, human rights champions, Anonymous is there to smack
them down and expose their lies.
And if there are fewer people dancing, and the sheet cakes have become
cupcakes, it doesn't matter a bit to me. Because we ARE winning. And
that's all right with me.
>
> --
> Ted Mayett
> Critical information regarding Scientology:
> http://www.solitarytrees.net
--
barb
Chaplain, ARSCC(wdne)
"Our belief in freedom of religion has made it impossible, (With a
helping hand from well placed Scientologists in government, of course!)
to recognize when a criminal conspiracy pretends to be a religion."
--Brett Bellmore
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phil scott
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
anonymous established its expose massively... and brought thousands of
new people up to speed on the fact that there are some serious issues
with the criminal cult.
what did you expect, these folk would spend their entire lives on a
picket line? not hardly. The primary work was done, it was
wonderful. and like
a great painting it will go on having its effect and residuals
forever.
and... as with many critics... we rest..we take breaks. and when
he cult rears its bare ass in some other nasty way, we come out of the
wood work again,
scn stats are currently lowest ever, and still shrinking... it can no
longer defend itself against bad press or target journalists and get
away with it... its broad
general public is innoculated.
its hidden criminal empire is not however stopped, or even slowed
much...that is indeed nasty as with all such criminal enterprise.
Phil scott
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Nice post, Barb.
la
clickm...@gmail.com
This vid is from Sydney a few weeks ago (where there has been a mass
exodus of staff and public this year). This protest had a larger
turnout than any anti-scn protest in the US prior to 2008. Between
major protests Sydney Anons mini-raid/flyer the CBD pretty much every
weekend (as well as engage in other non-picketing projects).
Hartley Patterson
> How will you remember Anonymous?
>
> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
> even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
> showing up every now and then by an org.
I'm just sorry you should be typing such nonsense Ted.
Twelve months ago I attended the annual Lisa McPherson picket in London.
There were - let me check - nine of us. I'm not sure if anyone else did a
picket that month, but certainly at that time we were the only group that
picketed regularly and nine was a GOOD turnout.
Saturday, I went to a picket on the same spot with around 50 people. My
impression is that the number has stabilised at that, with as many joining
as leaving. It rained non stop. We had Santa hats, a flying pink pig and
cake. We've had over 50 people every month since February. Anonymous
picketed Saint Hill three days running for DM's big IAS speech. Every Org
and most Missions in the UK have been picketed monthly.
And that, for you, is failure. All the Orgs never picketed before,
failure. The Anonymous who were 'outed' by the cult and carried on anyway,
failure. The cult calling their new enemy Nazi Communist terrorists,
photographing them and telling their mums, manufacturing bomb threats...
and being ignored by the media and the police, failure. People enjoying
themselves in a good cause, failure. 'Scientology' becoming a byword in
the media for craziness and nastiness, failure. Members leaving and saying
'thank you', failure.
I hope for more such failures next year!
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:libfk45d4gsosshh6...@4ax.com...
> How will you remember Anonymous?
Longer than yourself, most likely. That bothers you intensely doesn't it?
Patty Pieniadz
> Ted Mayett wrote:
>> How will you remember Anonymous?
As a group of people that actually DID things rather than sit around and
pontificate.
<snip>
>> I speak here of Las Vegas and Kitchener but the fact is they are
>> claiming more than that when it comes to orgs they have closed. But
>> they no longer tell us which orgs they have closed with raids. And
>> you cannot blame them for keeping it a secret when they close an org,
>> if you mention something like that here somebody is likely to check
>> into it all. And San Diego does not count, we read the Subject lines
>> about 'SD org closed due to raids'. But nobody here, and maybe
>> nobody among anonymous itself is imbecilic enough to believe that
>> the san diego org is closed. No, when they said that it meant
>> nothing, it
>> was just something to ignore, it was something Anonymous said and it
>> had no meaning and no basis in reality. dox or stfu, what a motto.
>> :)
>
> Um, no. SD org is for sale. Hardly the same thing as "closed." We
> never claimed that San Diego was closed, why do you have to interject
> fantasy into your screed? <taps on Teddy's head> HELLO MCFLY! Dox or
> STFU! See how that works?
I don't think he does.
<snip>
I used to think Ted was a troll, but I don't think he is. I think he
believes what he writes.
Eldon
Gosh, I remember watching this video before. Was it only two weeks
ago? How time flies! Hey, keep using Queen tracks as background music
and you can't go too wrong.
Anyway, according to Teddie there couldn't have possibly been that
many Anonymii demonstrating anywhere within the past few weeks, and
even if there were, Australia isn't part of his known world anyway, so
it doesn't count. ;-)
That's pretty much how his fucked-up mind works in case you hadn't
noticed.
henri
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
[In the middle of perpetrating an astounding lot of nonsense, you also
said this.]
>I speak here of Las Vegas and Kitchener but the fact is they are
>claiming more than that when it comes to orgs they have closed. But
>they no longer tell us which orgs they have closed with raids. And
>you cannot blame them for keeping it a secret when they close an org,
>if you mention something like that here somebody is likely to check
>into it all. And San Diego does not count, we read the Subject lines
>about 'SD org closed due to raids'. But nobody here, and maybe nobody
>among anonymous itself is imbecilic enough to believe that the san
>diego org is closed.
Dude, "org closed due to rAIDS" is a joke based on an old /b/ meme.
It's a JOKE. Google "pool's closed" for the origin.
stop-scientology
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:25 -0500, Ted Mayett
>
Thank you so much to all Anonymous.
http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/anonymous.htm
--
Jean-Luc Barbier
(for AVDS and the GRAVIS in Switzerland)
Eldon
wrote:
> ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com:
>
> > How will you remember Anonymous?
>
> > They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
> > 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
> > even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
> > showing up every now and then by an org.
>
> I'm just sorry you should be typing such nonsense Ted.
>
> Twelve months ago I attended the annual Lisa McPherson picket in London.
> There were - let me check - nine of us. I'm not sure if anyone else did a
> picket that month, but certainly at that time we were the only group that
> picketed regularly and nine was a GOOD turnout.
>
> Saturday, I went to a picket on the same spot with around 50 people. My
> impression is that the number has stabilised at that, with as many joining
> as leaving. It rained non stop. We had Santa hats, a flying pink pig and
> cake. We've had over 50 people every month since February. Anonymous
> picketed Saint Hill three days running for DM's big IAS speech. Every Org
> and most Missions in the UK have been picketed monthly.
You know, I actually feel guilty that I missed the last two raids at
Paris CC. There were something like 10 to 15 people at the ones I
attended.
Then again, that's more people than one sees going and out of the org
during the day. It isn't exactly a hotbed of activity, nor is the
other Paris org looking any more populated. So things are pretty much
proportional.
I would say Scientology has suffered more ignominy during the past few
years than in the previous two decades. It all started pre-Anonymous
with Tommy Cruise's meltdown on the Today and Oprah shows. And of
course, the cult's attempt to pull his manic promo video from YouTube
was the catalyst for the initial Anonymous raids.
We probably should acknowledge that he's done one hell of a lot to
make Scientology infamous. Thanks, Tommy, for supporting the Anonymous
movement!
Eldon
He sounded more rational years ago before you started reading a.r.s.,
but his mental state has deteriorated since then.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"barbz" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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My Banker contact has authorized me to grant you a VWD Hearty Handclasp,
with clusters.
Barbara Schwarz
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> How
Who are Nazis, web Nazi pages and try to boycott a movie against
Nazis.
Barbara Schwarz
Fredric L. Rice
>They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
>3% or 4% still picket, maybe less.
ROFL! Ted, you might consider spending some time watching YouTube
videos and learn about what you're yarking. }:-}
---
"From my house I can see Belgium" -- President Sarkozy
Fredric L. Rice
>I hope for more such failures next year!
--smile-- I have to smile. HP tallies it all up nicely. One of the
really neat things I like about the current wave is the "raids" on
Scientology's fake "stress tests" which increasingly shut down the
whole scam for the rest of the day.
t_shuffle
"Hartley Patterson" <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in message
news:MPG.23b20fd93...@news.thundernews.com
This post is so full of win that I should probably just shut up before I
detract from it.
Android Cat
> Ted Mayett <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
>
>> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
>> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less.
>
> ROFL! Ted, you might consider spending some time watching YouTube
> videos and learn about what you're yarking. }:-}
Those take forever to come down the string.
--
Ron of that ilk.
xenufrance
it from my viewpoint, that there have never been before anything as
detrimental to the "tchurdch" of scientology than Anons have been.
Never did I see as many people getting in contact with critics to flee or to
know about the cult, never did I see as many problematic disclosures of
documents of the cult, never did I see as many pickets, neither has a picket
gotten as many participants as some have been.
Till Anons came, the world wide record of the number of anticult picketers
at the same time before an org was detained (correct me if I'm wrong) by
Paris picketers before the Celebrity Center some years ago. A group had had
some 250 people picketing. Now, London seems visibly the biggest figure.
Besides, Anons have succeeded into introverting OSAers so much that the
almost unique solution they have been able to find to combat Anons was to
close the orgs when any picketers appe ared. Before that, they had tried
to call the police every time, but this has been a bad idea: police do no
longer care a lot, exceptions like Supervisor Stone in Hemet being quite
rare.
So, certainly the scam cult is not yet destroyed, but it has gotten such
blows that nobody could ignore them.
What remains to do is to act against foreign languages countries like
Hungary, Poland, Tchequie, India, China, whee the cult insane scam keeps
undeterred since the barrier of language has not been able to stop it, or
since no Anons do act there.
r
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> a écrit dans le
message de news: libfk45d4gsosshh6...@4ax.com...
> How will you remember Anonymous?
>
> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
> even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
> showing up every now and then by an org.
>
> DOX OR STFU
>
> I'll remember them for three specific things. This "documentation or
> shut the fuck up" is one them. And for closing the orgs
> in Kitchener, Canada and Las Vegas, US. I still remember well the joy
> happiness and pride they had when they announced the had shut these
> orgs down, had put them out of business. First was Vegas, and they
> told us they closed that one down with ONLY TWO RAIDS. Next was
> Kitchener and they were proud of that one also, of putting Kitchener
> org out of business. Dox or stfu, and orgs closed due to raids, these
> are my main memories of anonymous.
>
> One year has passed and they are pretty much dissipated. And on the
> Historical Road of the Scientology Timeline they are a pebble, an
> almost imperceptible bump in the road. They came, they danced and ate
> cake, and they are leaving.
>
> Why did they wear masks? Because they were under the impression that
> scientology was dangerous, and they were playing it safe. And History
> will record them as faceless and nameless.
>
> Some of the names and faces of the OG could well become part of
> History. Women and men who believed in what they were doing and
> accepted the dangers or "dangers". But these Anons will be forgotten
> save for the word 'anonymous'. Because there was nobody there, nobody
> was home, they were hiding.
>
> I speak here of Las Vegas and Kitchener but the fact is they are
> claiming more than that when it comes to orgs they have closed. But
> they no longer tell us which orgs they have closed with raids. And
> you cannot blame them for keeping it a secret when they close an org,
> if you mention something like that here somebody is likely to check
> into it all. And San Diego does not count, we read the Subject lines
> about 'SD org closed due to raids'. But nobody here, and maybe nobody
> among anonymous itself is imbecilic enough to believe that the san
> diego org is closed. No, when they said that it meant nothing, it was
> just something to ignore, it was something Anonymous said and it had
> no meaning and no basis in reality. dox or stfu, what a motto. :)
>
> They opened up with about 9000, it was a given that the numbers would
> drop, that was a no brainer. And at the time I had said they would
> not last the winter except for a few hardcore, and it looks like I was
> correct. What lasts is speaking your truth quietly and clearly,
> behaving in a manner that reflects what is best in a human. There was
> no poetry about these people, nothing gentle or refined. No dignity
> no honor, they even hid who they were. It was doomed to be a flash in
> the pan. Amen.
>
SP4123105
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
.
.
> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less.
.
> They opened up with about 9000, it was a given that the numbers would
Dude! You missed the point! I am Anonymous. I know Anonymous. Many
don't make it to the raids. But they do know how to go into orgs and
talk with $cilons, they know how to make it to a mailbox to inform
others of the evil cult and all the front groups. They are e-mailing
law makers, agencies and potential customers.... Don't be fooled by
the numbers game. For every few you see protesting there are many,
many more doing work in the background.
Make no mistake. This cult is going down.
Jens Tingleff
Hash: SHA1
Hartley Patterson wrote:
> ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com:
>> How will you remember Anonymous?
>>
>> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
>> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
>> even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
>> showing up every now and then by an org.
>
> I'm just sorry you should be typing such nonsense Ted.
>
Yep. Seconded.
[......]
>
> I hope for more such failures next year!
Not to mention more stories from ex-members. 2008 started with ex
$cientology kids and continued with Jeff Hawkins and John Duignan as well
as the numerous ex-members who are protesting with Anonymous and who are
getting through to the media with their own stories.
Best regards
Jens
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Hartley Patterson
> For every few you see protesting there are many,
> many more doing work in the background.
This is something that the hard core 'pics and dox or it isn't happening'
Anonymous need reminding of as well.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
> sp41...@hotmail.com:
>
>> For every few you see protesting there are many,
>> many more doing work in the background.
>
> This is something that the hard core 'pics and dox or it isn't happening'
> Anonymous need reminding of as well.
I disagree, Homeboy! How does one document the hidden works of Anonymous?
Eldon
> My 25 years experience of anticultism demonstrates, as far as I can observe
> it from my viewpoint, that there have never been before anything as
> detrimental to the "tchurdch" of scientology than Anons have been.
>
> Never did I see as many people getting in contact with critics to flee or to
> know about the cult, never did I see as many problematic disclosures of
> documents of the cult, never did I see as many pickets, neither has a picket
> gotten as many participants as some have been.
>
> Till Anons came, the world wide record of the number of anticult picketers
> at the same time before an org was detained (correct me if I'm wrong) by
> Paris picketers before the Celebrity Center some years ago. A group had had
> some 250 people picketing. Now, London seems visibly the biggest figure.
>
> Besides, Anons have succeeded into introverting OSAers so much that the
> almost unique solution they have been able to find to combat Anons was to
> close the orgs when any picketers appe ared. Before that, they had tried
> to call the police every time, but this has been a bad idea: police do no
> longer care a lot, exceptions like Supervisor Stone in Hemet being quite
> rare.
>
> So, certainly the scam cult is not yet destroyed, but it has gotten such
> blows that nobody could ignore them.
>
> What remains to do is to act against foreign languages countries like
> Hungary, Poland, Tchequie, India, China, whee the cult insane scam keeps
> undeterred since the barrier of language has not been able to stop it, or
> since no Anons do act there.
Roger, this is mostly correct, but there is no way they will mess with
mainland China, where they'd treated the same as the Falun Gong/Falun
Dafa cult. Whatever they have going in Singapore and Hong Kong is all
they'll get. It's possible they could infiltrate South Korea, though.
>
> "Ted Mayett" <ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> a écrit dans le
> message denews: libfk45d4gsosshh6unsj4p287lbdmn__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z...@4ax.com...
John Dorsay
> How will you remember Anonymous?
>
> They started out with about 9,000 one year ago and today about
> 3% or 4% still picket, maybe less. By this time this next year, and
> even sooner, it will all be over except for a lone mask or a few masks
> showing up every now and then by an org.
>
> DOX OR STFU
>
> I'll remember them for three specific things. This "documentation or
> shut the fuck up" is one them. And for closing the orgs
> in Kitchener, Canada and Las Vegas, US. I still remember well the joy
> happiness and pride they had when they announced the had shut these
> orgs down, had put them out of business. First was Vegas, and they
> told us they closed that one down with ONLY TWO RAIDS. Next was
> Kitchener and they were proud of that one also, of putting Kitchener
> org out of business. Dox or stfu, and orgs closed due to raids, these
> are my main memories of anonymous.
I'm sure you will be thrilled to know that Bernie the Belgian
Barmpot has not only embraced the intellectual dishonesty you show
in the above paragraph, but he has enhanced it and made it his very own.
http://anotherlookatscientology2.blogspot.com/2008/12/anonymous-first-anniversary-closing-by.html
There, the Barmpot has created a defective link to the thread
"PICKET REPORT: Kitchener, Ontario - ORG IS CLOSED!!!"
(http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/d38af74191e3196a?hl=en&q=#48e957c3fe8db70a),
where the initial post (written by me) in the thread concludes
"Dunno if this is a relocation or a closure. There was no notice
that I could see. Kitchener Anons assure me they will keep their
eyes open, but in the meantime, even if only temporarily, it's
CLOSED :)"
Oddly enough, he managed to link correctly to a subsequent thread
that began with a post (also written by me) that confirmed the
Kitchener Org had reopened.
He then misrepresents barbz's message with this paragraph
"Barbz did write in her post "The San Diego org has a for sale sign
on it" but then check out the thread title she herself created: "ORG
CLOSED DUE TO rAIDS"."
henri has already addressed this. I'm sure the Barmpot saw rob's
post, but he elected to deliberately misrepresent nonetheless.
Interesting fans you have these days, Ted.
John
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>Maybe. But so what? Is the point to assuage your ego, or get something
>done? I would much rather be part of a faceless army than part of history.
Why not stop the perpetual whining and put on a mask already?
wtf is your problem anyway? Buy a mask, problem solved.
henri
<restim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm sure you will be thrilled to know that Bernie the Belgian
>Barmpot has not only embraced the intellectual dishonesty you show
>in the above paragraph, but he has enhanced it and made it his very own.
>http://anotherlookatscientology2.blogspot.com/2008/12/anonymous-first-anniversary-closing-by.html
>There, the Barmpot has created a defective link to the thread
>"PICKET REPORT: Kitchener, Ontario - ORG IS CLOSED!!!"
>(http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/d38af74191e3196a?hl=en&q=#48e957c3fe8db70a),
>where the initial post (written by me) in the thread concludes
>"Dunno if this is a relocation or a closure. There was no notice
>that I could see. Kitchener Anons assure me they will keep their
>eyes open, but in the meantime, even if only temporarily, it's
>CLOSED :)"
Funny, that part isn't quoted, even though it is in the very first
post in the thread. In other words, nobody announced the Kitchener
org was permanently closed at all, not even the original poster. This
is pretty typical of the Belgian liar, though. He's a slithering,
dishonest creep.
He's also a self-confessed OSA agent since the 70s, except at that
time, it was called GO WW. This is during the period the GO was at
its zenith of criminality. They were, in this general time period,
stalking and harassing Paulette Cooper, gleefully hoping she'd commit
suicide or go insane, burglarizing government offices, and basically
going on the flamboyantly extravagant crime spree that they're still
famous for these days, even though they are considerably more careful
about it.
Despite his participation in the activities of this criminal
organization, which even Scientology itself distances itself from
today, he has yet to take any responsibility for what he directly
participated in. He reminds me of a Nazi accountant who spent the
post-war time excusing his participation on the grounds that all he
did was add up numbers. Any evil organization needs mindless,
conscienceless scum like Bernie, willing to look the other way at what
his work is accomplishing. Bernie is a perfect example of this kind
of mentality.
And he does their work to this day, even assuming his unbelievable
story about how he was in GO WW, where everything was just fine and
dandy and he had no problems with anything that was going on is true
and that he's not just posting from Martin Weightman's office in
Brussels.
Ted Mayett
This should be obvious to one and all.
Anonymous needs encouragement.
This should be obvious to one and all.
9000 of them and one year. And what have they accomplished?
A new Mission in a converted garage.... wow.
Secretly Anonymous admires us.
Secretly Anonymous wants to be like us, like the Old Guard.
Let us review once again and briefly our accomplishments. We came
along around 1995 and the orgs were grimey storefront temples. Many
of them like tattoo parlors and with less floor space than a fast food
restaurant such as a McDonald's.
We took them out of those rental storefronts and put them into
multi-million dollar Ideal Orgs, all around the world. Into expensive
and posh buildings that they actually own rather then rent. This was
no easy accomplishment of course.
Unto Anonymous I say to you that these things take time, it doesn't
happen in a single year. Keep the faith, keep your enthusiasm. Do
what we did for as long as we did and you can change some of those
Ideal Orgs into Ideal Cathedrals.
But for right now, for this moment, those 9000 people look back on a
year passed and all they can see is a new Mission in a converted
garage... this has to be discouraging to them :(
When we started there were no yellow tents, no VM vans. You didn't
have all those stress test tables out there on the streets. They
weren't in malls or flea markets or anywhere when we started.
Anonymous stay vigilant, stay determined. With enough effort and
enough time you can make 'St. Hill Size' to be the size of Missions,
and the orgs to be so busy that st. hill size is too small to describe
them. But it will take more than a year to accomplish this.
This summer I am going to an Ideal Org, about two hours drive away
from me. I'll spend the day there. Do the personality test, talk to
them, play with all the electronic things they have for the public.
As the hours pass they will love me, and I will love them. And then
after I come back from lunch I'll buy a paperback copy of dianetics.
And they will love me even more. And I will love them even more. And
as the day fades I'll sign up for a course and pay for it with a
Postulate. (A book is one thing, no way I come off a hundred dollar
bill for some course.) And when I Postulate that payment they will
love me even more, and I will love them even more. And everything
will be love and lovely. For I shall enter the building honestly,
beaming with pride. For I helped put that Ideal Org there, I have
reason to be proud.
Patience Anonymous, patience. You too can wipe out scientology the
same as we the old guard have done... but it does take time.
Applaud them dammit applaud them. If you have any shred of decency to
you whatsoever then applaud them for what they accomplished in only
one year with only 9000 of them. A new Mission in a converted garage.
APPLAUD THEM DAMMIT, this counts for something!
We forget don't we? Yes we do, we forget. We forget that it took us
about eight years until we started to see results. Until those first
smaller Ideal Orgs came along. And they got larger and larger and
more expensive as the years passed. But wasn't it around 2003 when
the first Ideal Org came along?
But we get full of ourselves, strutting about and carrying on about
how great we were. Let's be real though, eight years to plant an
Ideal Org, sheesh, how impressive is that when you think of it.
Anonymous has in one year already accomplished a new Mission in a
converted garage, that is a *great* beginning. It is quite possible
that there are more stress test tables in more places than ever before
this last year. These are real accomplishments. SALUTE!
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>
>Dude, "org closed due to rAIDS" is a joke based on an old /b/ meme.
>It's a JOKE. Google "pool's closed" for the origin.
OK, I certainly had learned not to take it seriously or as having any
meaning.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>Never did I see as many people getting in contact with critics to flee or to
>know about the cult,
Perhaps you are new here. It might have been around 2003 when all the
orgs were empty already. Pickets had already wiped out scientology in
the UK. And everybody knew the cult was a scam.
It was about the year 2000 when it was first revealed that more people
than ever were leaving scientology. It was also understood that
nobody new was joining. For over eight years now more people than
ever before have been leaving scientology and at the same exact time
less people than ever were joining scientology.
I don't read as many posts as I used to, so I appreciate this
education, thank you. So in 2008 because of Anonymous more people
than ever were fleeing scientology. Excellent!
R. Hill
2000? There is also May 1984:
"Scientology: A Collapsing Empire?
"... According to former insiders and church documents, whole branches
have split away, income has dramatically fallen and members have left in
droves -- to the point where one former leader says there are only
30,000 remaining. Former church leaders and critics outlined some
reasons for the apparent decline. ..."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/05f2eea7f2fe7895
--
Ray.
Ted Mayett
<hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>And that, for you, is failure. All the Orgs never picketed before,
The Year of the Picket has never been surpassed. The Winter of 1997
has never been repeated.
500 people in one spot at one time might well be a record, but I'm not
sure of that at all.
But still, in only one year they have for sure a new Mission in a
converted garage. And that is nothing to be ashamed of. If this
whole anonymous thing does not fizzle out then maybe by this time next
year we can have a few hundred new Missions. And maybe even another
10-15 new Ideal Orgs.
And if next year at this time, because of Anonymous, if more people
than ever before once again leave scientology that would be excellent.
As long as less people than ever before are joining of course.
Why don't you just back off already big boy. Let the people have
their Win. Give it a rest for a few minutes why don't you. They have
planted a new Mission in a converted garage in only one year. That is
an awesome beginning.
Patience Hartley, patience. Please don't hold them up to your
standards. Pickets wiped out scientology in the UK. Everybody knows
that, and that is a hard act to follow. But be patient, give them
time, give them room to maneuver, room to work. And one day before
you know it a few people will make posts saying that raids wiped out
scientology in the UK. It will happen Hartley, just be patient.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:db0jk4p13h95b6i9h...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:55:44 -0800, barbz <xenu...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Maybe. But so what? Is the point to assuage your ego, or get something
>>done? I would much rather be part of a faceless army than part of history.
>
> Why not stop the perpetual whining and put on a mask already?
Why not tell that to yourself for a change?
> wtf is your problem anyway? Buy a mask, problem solved.
That too.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
> Anonymous is discouraged.
> This should be obvious to one and all.
You're delusional now. Get help.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:20:31 -0000, Hartley Patterson
> <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>And that, for you, is failure. All the Orgs never picketed before,
>
> The Year of the Picket has never been surpassed. The Winter of 1997
> has never been repeated.
You're right, I don't have command over MEST so I could never put us back
there! How about you?
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:14:00 -0500, henri <he...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Dude, "org closed due to rAIDS" is a joke based on an old /b/ meme.
>>It's a JOKE. Google "pool's closed" for the origin.
>
> OK, I certainly had learned not to take it seriously or as having any
> meaning.
You've already demonstrated your absence of comprehension skills on this
one. What's your motive then?
henri
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:20:31 -0000, Hartley Patterson
><hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>And that, for you, is failure. All the Orgs never picketed before,
>The Year of the Picket has never been surpassed. The Winter of 1997
>has never been repeated.
Absolute horseshit. Unless you've got over 9,000 people picketing in
there somewhere on a single peak day, or multiple pickets in the
thousands, you're absolutely off your rocker. It was met and exceeded
by an order of magnitude in January alone even if you disregard the
rest of the year, including the arguably bigger February protests.
rattusrattus
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:24:03 -0500, Ted Mayett
>
http://www.videosift.com/video/Scientology-Protest-in-DC-gets-RICK-ROLLED
John Dorsay
> He's also a self-confessed OSA agent since the 70s, except at that
> time, it was called GO WW. This is during the period the GO was at
> its zenith of criminality. They were, in this general time period,
> stalking and harassing Paulette Cooper, gleefully hoping she'd commit
> suicide or go insane, burglarizing government offices, and basically
> going on the flamboyantly extravagant crime spree that they're still
> famous for these days, even though they are considerably more careful
> about it.
Oddly enough, the lying shit scum seems to have forgotten all of
this. In
http://anotherlookatscientology2.blogspot.com/2008/07/operation-freakout-never-executed.html
he cheerfully declares "Operation Freakout was never executed."
Perhaps he somehow rationalizes this bald-faced lie because the
scheme failed to drive Cooper to suicide. Or maybe it's just an
example of his warped idea of acceptable truth. Either way, in the
immortal words of Dave Bird, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
John
henri
>henri wrote:
He's a liar. If you look at the freakout docs, there are ones that
were never executed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
This document for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cooper_freakout.gif
The top says "Additional channel on Op Freakout." This clearly
indicates an ongoing project, which there was. The threat to
Kissinger was never executed. The rest of the operations against
Paulette Cooper continued.
Bernie is desperate to minimize the crimes of the GO, which he was
part of.
Alexia Death
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> Anonymous is discouraged.
> This should be obvious to one and all.
> Anonymous needs encouragement.
> This should be obvious to one and all.
No.
> 9000 of them and one year. And what have they accomplished?
> A new Mission in a converted garage.... wow.
The missions are irrelevant. The spread of information is what is
choking the cult. It is the anons in london that in sight of a stress
test cart call the right places to make sue they have a street
peddlers license... And have them shut down if not.
> Secretly Anonymous admires us.
> Secretly Anonymous wants to be like us, like the Old Guard.
Theres nothing secret about what Anonymous wants. And being a bunch of
oldies usually fighting each other over who someone was and what that
someone did is not it. Thus the anonymity.
> But for right now, for this moment, those 9000 people look back on a
> year passed and all they can see is a new Mission in a converted
> garage... this has to be discouraging to them :(
It isn't. Orgs have never been a goal of anon. The goal is to spread
infos and have lulz. Clips like mr Carmichael smelling puthy, are the
paydirt of anon.
> When we started there were no yellow tents, no VM vans. You didn't
> have all those stress test tables out there on the streets. They
> weren't in malls or flea markets or anywhere when we started.
Yes. And now there is an anon at all those tents and carts with a mask
and a sign and cake and rickroll and they are soon to close. I can
swear, that if I see that yellow tent in my country there will be at
least one anon in a mask there. For teh LULZ :P
> Patience Anonymous, patience. You too can wipe out scientology the
> same as we the old guard have done... but it does take time.
Scientology is already doomed because the wall of fire is no more.
Information that is poison to secretive cult has killed it. But it
takes time for the poison to take effect. Ten, fifteen years. And
anons all over the world making sure that there is no good and
intelligent wogs to snare... Scientology will degrade over the years.
No religion has ever died out 100% but a corporation can fail. And
Scientology will.
> Anonymous has in one year already accomplished a new Mission in a
> converted garage, that is a *great* beginning. It is quite possible
> that there are more stress test tables in more places than ever before
> this last year. These are real accomplishments. SALUTE!
You are obsessed about the orgs thing arent you? Look at real estate
prices. They could not sell the buildings if they wanted to.
Anonymous does not give fuck about the buildings. Anonymous works its
magic on the minds of people.
barbz
Gawd, Ted, what the hell is wrong with you? WWP and SD anon is full of
pictures of me wearing a mask.
But you wouldn't know it, would you? BECAUSE I'M WEARING A MASK, DUH!!!
C'mon, Teddy, pull your head out of your ass and get out of the Bernie
the Barmy Belgian Brigade.
--
barb
Chaplain, ARSCC(wdne)
"Our belief in freedom of religion has made it impossible, (With a
helping hand from well placed Scientologists in government, of course!)
to recognize when a criminal conspiracy pretends to be a religion."
--Brett Bellmore
barbz
Ted, you are a flaming idiot. If you had the perspicacity god gave
seafood, you'd stfu before you get mired any deeper in your own deluded
idiocy.
Your perception of cause and effect is so flawed, I don't even want to
poke it with a stick.
Let me just state that most of what you wrote is terribly, terribly
wrong. Lurk moar. Read moar. You just shot any credibility you might
have had from picketing with a blank sign to get a refund. You don't
understand anonymous, nor do you get that the Ideal Orgs are a scam, the
traveling road shows have not only been shut down, but completely
abandoned, and the stress test tables, which have pretty much replaced
the Free Personality Test, close down immediately upon the arrival of
anonymous. How can you possibly be unaware that the CCHR traveling
cavalcade of lies has canceled its tours due to Anonymous? And that the
VMs were banned from flocking to disaster this year in the US?
This is not thanks to OG. Anonymous doesn't envy OG, or want to emulate
them. Anonymous is grateful for the work OG did in the past, but they
mostly see them as ineffective, barely holding the line.
I, for one, welcome our new Anonymous overlords! (and if you don't get
that pop culture reference, it's like my "San Diego org closed due to
rAIDS." You just don't get it at all. And if you don't get it, it's
probably best not to comment on it, amirite?
barbz
Marc Headley.
Jason Beghe.
Jeff Hawkins.
Ex-Scientology Kids: Wiseman, Miscavige.
All articulate. All speaking out, and convincing others it's okay to
leave. Are you serious? Or have you been drinking cult kool aid?
Your perception of the whole issue is wildly inaccurate, Ted. You need
to read more, pay closer attention, or STFU. I don't even understand why
we're being treated to this little temper tantrum of yours here. You
don't even know what's going on these days.
Eldon
> > wrote:
>
> >> Never did I see as many people getting in contact with critics to flee or to
> >> know about the cult,
>
> > Perhaps you are new here. It might have been around 2003 when all the
> > orgs were empty already. Pickets had already wiped out scientology in
> > the UK. And everybody knew the cult was a scam.
>
> > It was about the year 2000 when it was first revealed that more people
> > than ever were leaving scientology. It was also understood that
> > nobody new was joining. For over eight years now more people than
> > ever before have been leaving scientology and at the same exact time
> > less people than ever were joining scientology.
>
> > I don't read as many posts as I used to, so I appreciate this
> > education, thank you. So in 2008 because of Anonymous more people
> > than ever were fleeing scientology. Excellent!
>
> > --
> > Ted Mayett
> > Critical information regarding Scientology:
> >http://www.solitarytrees.net
>
> Marc Headley.
> Jason Beghe.
> Jeff Hawkins.
> Ex-Scientology Kids: Wiseman, Miscavige.
>
> All articulate. All speaking out, and convincing others it's okay to
> leave. Are you serious? Or have you been drinking cult kool aid?
The kind that induces hallucinations? I doubt Teddie has personally
attended any raids during the past year, but if he has even viewed a
smattering of the many videos online it should be readily apparent
that the cult has gone way PTS to Anonymous. The executives, staff
members and remaining loyal public people alike are presenting
unmistakable symptoms of psychosis. If Teddie watched any of these, he
must have mentally dubbed in something else.
Latest example: that rabid idiot who made such a public scene at the
Pig 'n Whistle restaurant right in front of Mark B's video camera. I
mean, all of them seem to be snapping into the valence of Heber
Jentzsch.
www.holysmoke.org/heber/heber.htm
The weirder they act, the more they alienate themselves from the
mainstream of society. Same goes for Teddie and the critical
community.
Eldon
> henri wrote:
> > He's also a self-confessed OSA agent since the 70s, except at that
> > time, it was called GO WW. This is during the period the GO was at
> > its zenith of criminality. They were, in this general time period,
> > stalking and harassing Paulette Cooper, gleefully hoping she'd commit
> > suicide or go insane, burglarizing government offices, and basically
> > going on the flamboyantly extravagant crime spree that they're still
> > famous for these days, even though they are considerably more careful
> > about it.
>
> Oddly enough, the lying shit scum seems to have forgotten all of
> he cheerfully declares "Operation Freakout was never executed."
Jeezus! Do you suppose he's into holocaust denial too?
R. Hill
rattusrattus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aO20iMoRr0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9FrbgFafM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0P2Nd3O0Qc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aav2DOAj0E&feature=related
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>>"Dunno if this is a relocation or a closure. There was no notice
>>that I could see. Kitchener Anons assure me they will keep their
>>eyes open, but in the meantime, even if only temporarily, it's
>>CLOSED :)"
>
>Funny, that part isn't quoted, even though it is in the very first
>post in the thread.
DOX OR STFU. WTF does that mean to you anyway? Put a spin on this
will you, do a good job of it why don't you. DOX OR STFU, what does
this mean to you I ask?
Maybe it is closure, maybe relocation, maybe only temporary, but for
right now it is closed. Is this DOX OR STFU?
Now I picked up my telephone, dialed the org, and asked them what is
happening. What would you call THAT?
Somebody went to or by the building, it was closed. Maybe closure or
relocation or temporary or blah blah blah. Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. And
this is what you call DOX OR STFU? This you would explain away or
justify?
You are there at the building, it should be open but it is not open,
it is closed. Instinctively you want to reach for a phone and call
into them and learn what is happening. But they didn't call in. We
are not talking of time consuming meticulous research here. We are
talking of making a phone call to gather information. But they never
did make the call, what they did was to say "maybe, maybe, maybe."
And I'm sorry guy but this is what we can expect from people with
grand motto's like dox or stfu. For when push came to shove, when it
became time to perform, time to put up or shut up, they did not make a
simple phone call. Make of this what you will, spin it as you need
to, but they could have and did not make one simple phone call.
A Gradient Approach:
Now your different Rob, that's a given. If you really wanted to no
doubt but that you would manage to get President Bush on the phone.
But for the rest of you, why not try something. Use caller-id block
and call into an org. And if you have to spend 50 cents to call long
distance, spend the 50 cents.
When you call in ask them for the hours, ask them what hours they are
open. That is all, just ask them for the hours. A nice simple phone
call, a gradient approach. But you won't do this, oh for many long
and complex and grand reasons you won't call into an org. This is
understandable, for this is not an easy thing to do, calling into an
org.
And there they are, 'never forgive never forget we come back dox or
stfu', but they cannot call into an org. The moment arrived, they
were put to the test. A call had to be made, and they did not make
the phone call. Smug and full of themselves, wearing masks, they came
upon a building that should have been open for business, but it was
not open. So they came up with a list of 'maybe's', and this they
call "dox or stfu".
Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. The Three Maybe's. This might be a good motto
for Anonymous. That motto about Dox Or STFU doesn't seem to match
reality after all. Bummer.
And let's not even discuss Vegas right now, except to say that they
first gave us Dox that it was closed, and then followed up additional
with Dox saying the first Dox was incorrect. Fascinating.
henri
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:23:31 -0500, henri <he...@nowhere.invalid>
>wrote:
>>>"Dunno if this is a relocation or a closure. There was no notice
>>>that I could see. Kitchener Anons assure me they will keep their
>>>eyes open, but in the meantime, even if only temporarily, it's
>>>CLOSED :)"
>>Funny, that part isn't quoted, even though it is in the very first
>>post in the thread.
[Various stuff snipped]
>Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. The Three Maybe's. This might be a good motto
>for Anonymous. That motto about Dox Or STFU doesn't seem to match
>reality after all. Bummer.
>And let's not even discuss Vegas right now, except to say that they
>first gave us Dox that it was closed, and then followed up additional
>with Dox saying the first Dox was incorrect. Fascinating.
Personally, you might call the org. I'd NEVER call an org. EVER.
Period. In fact, I'd expect that if I did, there would be a good
chance I'd be brought up on some kind of harassment charges. As it
would involve federal telecommunications facilities, i.e. telephone
services, I'd fully expect it to involve the FBI. I don't care what
it would involve, though, as I wouldn't do it.
If I saw an org I knew had previously been open, with a FOR SALE sign
on the door, I would simply report that fact. And then I'd have some
patience. I'd let crazy motherfuckers who call orgs on the phone do
their thing. I'd let people who look up records do their thing. What
I wouldn't do is call the motherfucking org. I know those people
don't like me and they don't want to be talking to me on the phone.
Their time does not belong to me, and I have no legitimate business
relationship with them. I have the respect to an enemy not to call up
pretending to know them or any similar shit. I will find out their
shit through official channels, if at all.
If a month later, or two months later, it turns out it's open
somewhere else, fine. I simply reported what *I* knew. And that's
what the VERY FIRST POSTER IN THIS FUCKING THREAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
DID. He reported what he knew, did not come to any unreasonable
conclusions, and made very clear that there were alternate
explanations for the facts he observed, i.e. that the org might have
moved.
That's what in fact happened, and it's what in fact was reported.
There are certainly examples of behavior where absolute bullshit has
been accepted as fact by many people (a prime example would be the
absolute horseshit story of "FormerlyIN" which is an utterly ludicrous
tale backed up with absolutely nothing). The org closure stories
(other than Vegas) are not these.
The Kitchener org story basically represents fact-checking at its
best. Facts came out, and were later corrected with better facts.
Even the original poster didn't overstate his case.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:23:31 -0500, henri <he...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>"Dunno if this is a relocation or a closure. There was no notice
>>>that I could see. Kitchener Anons assure me they will keep their
>>>eyes open, but in the meantime, even if only temporarily, it's
>>>CLOSED :)"
>>
>>Funny, that part isn't quoted, even though it is in the very first
>>post in the thread.
>
> DOX OR STFU. WTF does that mean to you anyway? Put a spin on this
> will you, do a good job of it why don't you. DOX OR STFU, what does
> this mean to you I ask?
The old Scientology "I know I am but what are you?" argument doesn't work,
you know that already, Ted.
--
SP Goodman
The Usually Right "Reverend" Norle Enturbulata DDT, DTS, OD
*
http://www.flickr.com/photos/enturbulata
http://www.youtube.com/Enturbulata
http://tinyurl.com/yre7c6
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill
them immediately and completely..."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Science of Survival", p117
John Dorsay
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:23:31 -0500, henri <he...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>"Dunno if this is a relocation or a closure. There was no notice
>>>that I could see. Kitchener Anons assure me they will keep their
>>>eyes open, but in the meantime, even if only temporarily, it's
>>>CLOSED :)"
>>
>>Funny, that part isn't quoted, even though it is in the very first
>>post in the thread.
>
> DOX OR STFU. WTF does that mean to you anyway? Put a spin on this
> will you, do a good job of it why don't you. DOX OR STFU, what does
> this mean to you I ask?
>
> Maybe it is closure, maybe relocation, maybe only temporary, but for
> right now it is closed. Is this DOX OR STFU?
The post was made within hours of learning that the org was closed.
Photos were webbed. Inquiries were made, and conflicting answers
were given in response to those inquiries. This was all documented
at the time, as information was obtained, as you well know.
In your original post to this thread, you wrote
> I'll remember them for three specific things. This "documentation or
> shut the fuck up" is one them. And for closing the orgs
> in Kitchener, Canada and Las Vegas, US. I still remember well the joy
> happiness and pride they had when they announced the had shut these
> orgs down, had put them out of business. First was Vegas, and they
> told us they closed that one down with ONLY TWO RAIDS. Next was
> Kitchener and they were proud of that one also, of putting Kitchener
> org out of business. Dox or stfu, and orgs closed due to raids, these
> are my main memories of anonymous.
You got dox to support your memories about Kitchener, Ted? Or do
you just intend to pursue this line of intellectual dishonesty until
hell freezes over? Maybe you'll be lucky and the Barmpot will add a
tribute to you to his blog too.
John
Fredric L. Rice
The numbers _are_ down but then it's been 8 months, but the quality
of protesting around the world also counts for a great deal. Our pickets
and protests weren't nearly as up-beat and party-like which seems to garner
some interest among the general public. There's a festival atmosphere at
some of the Anonymous efforts that seem to be well regarded by the fucks
in the mainstream media.
---
"From my house I can see Belgium" -- President Sarkozy
Fredric L. Rice
>http://anotherlookatscientology2.blogspot.com/2008/07/operation-freakout-never-executed.html
>he cheerfully declares "Operation Freakout was never executed."
What does the stupid fuck think the forged bmb threats were?
Fredric L. Rice
Hartley Patterson
> Our pickets
> and protests weren't nearly as up-beat and party-like which seems to garner
> some interest among the general public.
What picketers have to break through is the filtering system we all have
that protects us from giving our full attention to everything we
encounter. "Oh what pretty flowers!" is not a good survival strategy if
there is a lion hiding behind them.
Picketers need unusual sounds, visuals, movement, anything that will
trigger the 'strange thing - possible danger - attention!' response.
Next they need to get across a very simple message, "AGAINST Scientology",
in both sound and visuals. Even then they will get people coming up asking
if they are for or against Scientology!
We kept telling other picketers this, that street theatre works, but
Americans for the most part ignored us.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
barbz
theater/pickets. We had a pretty good space alien themed one on
Hollywood Blvd once that got a lot of attention.
UK did it right with Duke, the sound system, singing etc. It was most
fun to picket with you guys when I came over thar.
Eldon
wrote:
> fr...@skeptictank.org:
>
> > Our pickets
> > and protests weren't nearly as up-beat and party-like which seems to garner
> > some interest among the general public.
>
> What picketers have to break through is the filtering system we all have
> that protects us from giving our full attention to everything we
> encounter. "Oh what pretty flowers!" is not a good survival strategy if
> there is a lion hiding behind them.
>
> Picketers need unusual sounds, visuals, movement, anything that will
> trigger the 'strange thing - possible danger - attention!' response.
That Guy Fawkes mask is becoming a major international brand. I
wouldn't be surprised to see it licensed to Coca-Cola or Burger King
one day soon -- or knocked off if it isn't protected for some
reason.
>
> Next they need to get across a very simple message, "AGAINST Scientology",
> in both sound and visuals. Even then they will get people coming up asking
> if they are for or against Scientology!
Alliteration is pretty good, as in
$CIENTOLOGY
SUCKS
Anything on a picket sign should be terse enough to work OK as a
bumper strip or one side of a T-shirt.
Fredric L. Rice
>Next they need to get across a very simple message, "AGAINST Scientology",
>in both sound and visuals. Even then they will get people coming up asking
>if they are for or against Scientology!
>We kept telling other picketers this, that street theatre works, but
>Americans for the most part ignored us.
Well, the United States is also awash in bizarre cults and crime and
most people look at Scientology as either a harmless cult else as just
another crimial cult that the government doesn't have the money or the
means to eliminate. We are constantly soaking in quack medical scams,
frauds sold on television, and lunacy from Hollywood. }:-}
Ted Mayett
<restim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You got dox to support your memories about Kitchener, Ted? Or do
>you just intend to pursue this line of intellectual dishonesty until
>hell freezes over? Maybe you'll be lucky and the Barmpot will add a
>tribute to you to his blog too.
>
>
>John
A simple phone call before posting is all that was ever needed, a
simple phone call. The claim once again is dox or stfu. And suddenly
I'm intellectually dishonest because I made a phone to confirm what
was posted? Please. A simple phone call before posting.
Ted Mayett
<rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
>
>2000? There is also May 1984:
>
>"Scientology: A Collapsing Empire?
>
>"... According to former insiders and church documents, whole branches
>have split away, income has dramatically fallen and members have left in
>droves -- to the point where one former leader says there are only
>30,000 remaining. Former church leaders and critics outlined some
>reasons for the apparent decline. ..."
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/05f2eea7f2fe7895
Bah. It would seem the OG weren't the first to claim that scn is
wiped out, bah.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:24:03 -0500, Ted Mayett
><ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:20:31 -0000, Hartley Patterson
>><hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>And that, for you, is failure. All the Orgs never picketed before,
>
>>The Year of the Picket has never been surpassed. The Winter of 1997
>>has never been repeated.
>
>Absolute horseshit. Unless you've got over 9,000 people picketing in
>there somewhere on a single peak day, or multiple pickets in the
>thousands, you're absolutely off your rocker. It was met and exceeded
>by an order of magnitude in January alone even if you disregard the
>rest of the year, including the arguably bigger February protests.
I thought the first were February and not January, but be this as it
may. February of 2008 may never be surpassed with 9000 in attendance
world wide on the same day. The year of picket covered about 12
continuous months in which time, every other day of year, somewhere in
the world there was a picket. That is how it averaged out when you
counted unique pickets without regards to attendance. OG pickets
faded save for the UK. Raids will fade also. You might even say
raids have already faded some months past.
I really need to do a "Winter of 1997" post tying in the Year of the
Picket at the same time. It is a fascinating story, it was a
fascinating time.
Perhaps someone could put together a "Raids of February 2008" post and
web page. All the videos in one spot, all the reports in one spot.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>Let me just state that most of what you wrote is terribly, terribly
>wrong. Lurk moar. Read moar. You just shot any credibility you might
>have had from picketing with a blank sign to get a refund. You don't
>understand anonymous, nor do you get that the Ideal Orgs are a scam, the
>traveling road shows have not only been shut down, but completely
>abandoned, and the stress test tables, which have pretty much replaced
>the Free Personality Test, close down immediately upon the arrival of
>anonymous.
This particular ignorance still lives, who would have thought...
Pattison put up a web page some months back, he also does not know the
difference between the Stress Test and Personality Test.
What gets me though is that back in history, maybe early 1996, I
personally was carrying on here on ars about how they are changing the
name from the Personality Test to the Stress Test. I was even
tracking which orgs were using the "new" personality test, which I
thought that the stress test was a new title to describe the old
personality test.
Then one day it hit home, in my thick skull I suddenly understood that
the stress test and the personality test were two different things
totally. And then some time later it struck home that all that time
carrying on here on ars about this... and nobody knew. All our
experts, all our ex-members, and nobody knew.
They never had personality test tables, never. And if they did this
sporadically at some location they were nothing like the stress test
tables that came along. The Stress Test replaced that old thing about
"would you like to see a thought" which somehow tied in with the Pinch
Test. I think the pinch you got was the thought you would see on the
emeter.
There is a patter to this stress test that they use, a sales pitch no
doubt, a sequence of events used when a random person sits down to the
emeter. Unfortunately I myself or nobody like me has ever come across
a stress test table set up and operating. If I had I would have taken
the test and reported on the patter, the sequence of events. And
before I posted about it I would have taken the test several times on
different days if possible to give a more accurate report. Maybe
typing this will spark an idea in someone.
> How can you possibly be unaware that the CCHR traveling
>cavalcade of lies has canceled its tours due to Anonymous?
Sorry, I don't believe this, I think it is DOX.
> And that the
>VMs were banned from flocking to disaster this year in the US?
>
>This is not thanks to OG. Anonymous doesn't envy OG, or want to emulate
>them. Anonymous is grateful for the work OG did in the past, but they
>mostly see them as ineffective, barely holding the line.
>
>I, for one, welcome our new Anonymous overlords! (and if you don't get
>that pop culture reference, it's like my "San Diego org closed due to
>rAIDS." You just don't get it at all. And if you don't get it, it's
>probably best not to comment on it, amirite?
Speak your truth quietly and clearly if you want credibility. And if
you choose to do only one of the above, 'clearly' would be a darn good
choice.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>Personally, you might call the org. I'd NEVER call an org. EVER.
>Period. In fact, I'd expect that if I did, there would be a good
>chance I'd be brought up on some kind of harassment charges.
IANAL but I think you would get a notice or warning first. And then
the nature of the calls might come into play. Are you calling for
information or because you are lonely and want someone to talk to,
this kind of thing.
> As it
>would involve federal telecommunications facilities, i.e. telephone
>services, I'd fully expect it to involve the FBI. I don't care what
>it would involve, though, as I wouldn't do it.
>
>If I saw an org I knew had previously been open, with a FOR SALE sign
>on the door, I would simply report that fact. And then I'd have some
>patience. I'd let crazy motherfuckers who call orgs on the phone do
>their thing. I'd let people who look up records do their thing. What
>I wouldn't do is call the motherfucking org. I know those people
>don't like me and they don't want to be talking to me on the phone.
>Their time does not belong to me, and I have no legitimate business
>relationship with them. I have the respect to an enemy not to call up
>pretending to know them or any similar shit. I will find out their
>shit through official channels, if at all.
>
One would think that those with a slogan of dox or stfu would actually
shut the fuck up until they had the dox... you think?
>If a month later, or two months later, it turns out it's open
>somewhere else, fine. I simply reported what *I* knew. And that's
>what the VERY FIRST POSTER IN THIS FUCKING THREAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
>DID. He reported what he knew, did not come to any unreasonable
>conclusions, and made very clear that there were alternate
>explanations for the facts he observed, i.e. that the org might have
>moved.
>
>That's what in fact happened, and it's what in fact was reported.
>
>There are certainly examples of behavior where absolute bullshit has
>been accepted as fact by many people (a prime example would be the
>absolute horseshit story of "FormerlyIN" which is an utterly ludicrous
>tale backed up with absolutely nothing). The org closure stories
>(other than Vegas) are not these.
>
>The Kitchener org story basically represents fact-checking at its
>best. Facts came out, and were later corrected with better facts.
>Even the original poster didn't overstate his case.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>relationship with them. I have the respect to an enemy not to call up
>pretending to know them or any similar shit. I will find out their
>shit through official channels, if at all.
>
There is this. I on the other hand repeatedly over the years called
into orgs blatantly lying. I used to post that also, how I lied on
the phone and how it left a bad taste in my mouth. There was no sense
of pride to lying as I did, but I did it, and did it often. And I did
it well. And if I again desire info from an org, and need to lie on
the phone to get that info, I will once again lie and do it well, and
that's me.
I would pretend to be a member, or pretend to be an ignorant public.
When I got my first cell phone I'd be right outside the building
calling in and insinuating that I was in my home ready to go to
whatever Event and where was it being held.
I had written down my fictitious name for orgs in general and the
fictitious name for the big org and the little org in Vegas. Although
many times calling around the country I used my real name.
So good for you, too honorable to lie on the phone while calling into
an org. This is not a claim I can make. :-)
The call I always remember with a smile was a call into the LA org. I
psyched myself up, they answered, "CoS can I help you?" I said, "My
name is Ted Mayett I would like to speak to David Miscavige please."
(silence) And I did it well, beautiful cadence and not too forceful
at all but rather with the air of... you call into a car dealership
they say "tom terry Ford Motors how may I help you?", and you say,
"put me through to the Parts Department please." And whoever answered
that phone in the org was silent, no doubt stunned, tongue tied from
such a strange and "forceful" request. BTW, it didn't work, they did
not put Davey on the phone for me. Oh well, I did try.
But Rob honey, if I went to an org for the specific purpose of doing a
picket and the org were closed. I'm sorry but I would dial in and try
to find out why, I guess that is me though...
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>On Dec 19, 9:55 pm, Hartley Patterson <hptt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> fr...@skeptictank.org:
>> Picketers need unusual sounds, visuals, movement, anything that will
>> trigger the 'strange thing - possible danger - attention!' response.
>
>That Guy Fawkes mask is becoming a major international brand. I
>wouldn't be surprised to see it licensed to Coca-Cola or Burger King
>one day soon -- or knocked off if it isn't protected for some
>reason.
>>
>> Next they need to get across a very simple message, "AGAINST Scientology",
>> in both sound and visuals. Even then they will get people coming up asking
>> if they are for or against Scientology!
>
>Alliteration is pretty good, as in
>$CIENTOLOGY
> SUCKS
>
My day has passed, I won't do it again. But I went out there a lot of
times over a number of years with my Price Sign, humbly with my price
sign.
So many women and men over the years, all of them nameless to me. We
would make brief eye contact once in a while. I never smiled at them,
never frowned or gave them anything. Their lives were their own,
their business was their business. All they had to do was make it
past that Price Sign, and I had no problems with them, and they had no
problems with me.
They would make it past the sign, but they didn't last as members. So
many of them over the years. Why wasn't I lucky enough to come along
while someone else was out there with a price sign, would have saved
me time and money if they had been there.
But let me come past a sign saying:
scn
sucks
I would look with pity upon anyone carrying such a message, such a
shallow and meaningless message. So hostile, so juvenile, so nothing
at all. Conspiracy nuts are everywhere for every subject, nothing new
with that. The government sucks, this sucks, that sucks, everything
in the world sucks to somebody.
But is this sign accurate:
Does The Bridge
Really Cost
360 Thousand?
If this is accurate, or even close to accurate, well scientology is
nothing I would have ever needed in my life. You go back and forth
out there, boring, quietly and humbly. And this price sign will empty
the org of paying members. You won't get into newspapers, but you
will empty the org.
Maybe one day, like me right now, you can look back on what you did so
many years ago. That celebrity centre las vegas is out of business,
truly out of business, gone, a memory only. Did me and my Price Sign
play a part in this occurrence? Was my humble quiet approach (with
the use of guerilla tactics) the proper approach? Should I have done
street theater instead? What can I find anywhere that supports the
theory of street theater being better than my approach and my sign.
And more importantly to this old man, am I pleased that the org went
out of business and maybe because of me. What is this fixation on
destruction anyway? Why was it so important to me to wipe out the
population of two orgs and try to shut them down? Was I not better
than that? Could I have better spent those years educating rather
than seeking to destroy? How proud am I, I sometimes wonder?
But all these haughty thoughts put aside. The fuckers pissed me off,
they should have left well enough alone. But no, they pissed me off.
So I lit into them like a banshee from hell, put them under siege and
wiped out the population of both orgs down to rubble.
And one day while still living in Vegas the CC went out of business.
I think it happened at the CC one day long ago during my pickets for a
refund. A few of them laughed at me and said I couldn't hurt
scientology. What they meant was that my pickets couldn't hurt them.
Well, they never should have laughed at me, they might have still had
two orgs in Vegas if they had not laughed.
Street theater works. The Price Sign works better. Dress well out
there, dress properly. Be quiet, be humble, and put the mother
fuckers out of business. But don't do any of this without a reason,
like maybe scientology bothers you for some reason and you would like
to see them out business. If you are out there for lutz or laughs or
whatever it is, if you want to be sure you still have a place to
gather for cake a year from now, then by all means use street theater.
Be proud, be respectful, and above all remember who you are. How
valuable you are, how valuable are the precious hours of your lives.
That by your respectful presence alone, with no need of props or
gimmicks, you get the message across quite well that something is
wrong here. No swastikas no blood displays no corpses drawn with
chalk on a public sidewalk. Some might need these things, I did not
need these things. My name is Ted Mayett and if I'm out there with a
picket sign that says it all.
Maybe easier though to forget that there are people in those orgs,
people like me, or like I was. Young, deluded, and not overflowing
with that commodity called intelligence. Nope, not overflowing at
all. But decent people nonetheless, honest, caring, fair people.
There was nothing wrong with us, there was nothing bad about us, we
were the overwhelming majority and not the few oddballs found in any
organization. We didn't, and even today they don't deserve ridicule
or dripping blood or any of that stuff.
And almost everybody today at these pickets serves up hostility,
insensitivity, rudeness. And you even have evolved into wearing
masks, and you think this street theater clever, hah.
>Alliteration is pretty good, as in
>$CIENTOLOGY
> SUCKS
Is this even for real? If a monkey came along with a sign saying:
P$ychiatry
Sucks
that monkey would be shunned from the org. Monkeys are dumb (ex-30
year members excluded of course) Monkey are really dumb, and that is
a sorry fact. But even a monkey would not be dumb enough to try and
get by with a sign saying, psychiatry sucks. For the sign says
nothing at all, less than useless, there is no message there, sheesh.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
ahead, along comes this.
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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henri
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:32:50 -0500, henri <he...@nowhere.invalid>
>wrote:
>>relationship with them. I have the respect to an enemy not to call up
>>pretending to know them or any similar shit. I will find out their
>>shit through official channels, if at all.
>There is this. I on the other hand repeatedly over the years called
>into orgs blatantly lying. I used to post that also, how I lied on
>the phone and how it left a bad taste in my mouth. There was no sense
>of pride to lying as I did, but I did it, and did it often. And I did
>it well. And if I again desire info from an org, and need to lie on
>the phone to get that info, I will once again lie and do it well, and
>that's me.
I have no ethical problem with lying to get information, at least not
per se. Simple little deceptions like "hey I'm going to be in town
for the event is it still going to be at X on Y." At least, I don't
have any problem with others doing it. Given my past history with the
cult, however, I prefer to keep it on the level. I'm not going to
call them. I'm not going to talk to them out of public view. The
rare exception would be if for some reason I had to to prevent a
crime, like if some dumbfuck let me know they were going to commit
some crime in such a manner as to make me legally obliged to disclose
it, or in such a manner I'd feel morally obliged to stop it.
In general, though, it's going to be in public. I'll say what I say
here, or in the streets. Preferably with a record of it so that it
can't be easily misrepresented.
>I would pretend to be a member, or pretend to be an ignorant public.
>When I got my first cell phone I'd be right outside the building
>calling in and insinuating that I was in my home ready to go to
>whatever Event and where was it being held.
>I had written down my fictitious name for orgs in general and the
>fictitious name for the big org and the little org in Vegas. Although
>many times calling around the country I used my real name.
>So good for you, too honorable to lie on the phone while calling into
>an org. This is not a claim I can make. :-)
It has little to do with honor. It's a matter of prudence, and a
certain amount of respect. I suppose there's a certain amount of
honor in it, in that I wouldn't see it as proper or honest for ME to
do what you do, but my choice applies only to me. It's not a general
rule.
I won't have coffee with them either.
>The call I always remember with a smile was a call into the LA org. I
>psyched myself up, they answered, "CoS can I help you?" I said, "My
>name is Ted Mayett I would like to speak to David Miscavige please."
>(silence) And I did it well, beautiful cadence and not too forceful
>at all but rather with the air of... you call into a car dealership
>they say "tom terry Ford Motors how may I help you?", and you say,
>"put me through to the Parts Department please." And whoever answered
>that phone in the org was silent, no doubt stunned, tongue tied from
>such a strange and "forceful" request. BTW, it didn't work, they did
>not put Davey on the phone for me. Oh well, I did try.
>But Rob honey, if I went to an org for the specific purpose of doing a
>picket and the org were closed. I'm sorry but I would dial in and try
>to find out why, I guess that is me though...
I know for a fact that they don't want to talk to me. Me in
particular. So far as I know, they don't have anything in particular
against you. They have plenty against me. Thus, I'll keep my
distance and not communicate with them, whether to lie or not. There's
nothing I have to say that they want to hear, and certainly not over a
telephone. They can read it on the net and fume. And go fuck
themselves.
If I had some legitimate business calling them, I would. But I can't
see much likely legitimate business that doesn't involve lawyers
somehow.
Eldon
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:13:07 -0800 (PST), Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
If it has a legible URL on it, people in passing cars can see it, and
then can go home and type the URL into their browser.
Your "price" sign was fine as a challenging thought for existing
public and staff I'm sure. But what about the marks out there in the
general public?
l.l.lipshitz
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in
<1o4vk4dbp40ritdl8...@4ax.com>:
| On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:15:45 -0500, "R. Hill"
| <rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
|
|
| >
| >2000? There is also May 1984:
| >
| >"Scientology: A Collapsing Empire?
| >
| >"... According to former insiders and church documents, whole branches
| >have split away, income has dramatically fallen and members have left in
| >droves -- to the point where one former leader says there are only
| >30,000 remaining. Former church leaders and critics outlined some
| >reasons for the apparent decline. ..."
| >
| >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/05f2eea7f2fe7895
|
| Bah. It would seem the OG weren't the first to claim that scn is
| wiped out, bah.
...have you any wool?
--
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
people are not only innately stupid,
they are ambitiously so. -kk
l.l.lipshitz
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in
<oogvk4tfgk60al3kl...@4ax.com>:
[...]
| Maybe one day, like me right now, you can look back on what you did so
| many years ago. That celebrity centre las vegas is out of business,
| truly out of business, gone, a memory only. Did me and my Price Sign
| play a part in this occurrence? Was my humble quiet approach (with
| the use of guerilla tactics) the proper approach? Should I have done
| street theater instead? What can I find anywhere that supports the
| theory of street theater being better than my approach and my sign.
street theater, done right.
<http://asheville.indymedia.org/article/107Clowns>
[...]
phil scott
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:15:45 -0500, "R. Hill"
>
> <rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
>
> >2000? There is also May 1984:
>
> >"Scientology: A Collapsing Empire?
>
> >"... According to former insiders and church documents, whole branches
> >have split away, income has dramatically fallen and members have left in
> >droves -- to the point where one former leader says there are only
> >30,000 remaining. Former church leaders and critics outlined some
> >reasons for the apparent decline. ..."
>
>
> Bah. It would seem the OG weren't the first to claim that scn is
> wiped out, bah.
>
> --
> Ted Mayett
> Critical information regarding Scientology:http://www.solitarytrees.net
I maintain that there are fewer than 5,000 active scns for the last
several years... and from the various head counts, less now.
typically in most such memberships 10% are active... the other 90% are
inactive. coming out only occasionally for events etc.
If you look at the most active orgs in the world, less than a dozen,
most are down to a handful or fewer students.
But lets say for the sake of argument that there are 50 booming orgs i
the world.... to reach 50,000 active members you would need 1,000
students in the course rooms most days..... but nope. you see
less than a handful in most cases.... and nothing like 50 active orgs
in the world.
SF org used to be one of the most active in the world, perhaps 3rd or
4th behind St Hill England, the Flag Land base, and AOLA in Los
Angeles. The SF org no longer has foot traffic in the dinner
hour. zip.
AOLA at my last tour 2004 or so when Andreas Visited, had by my
personal head count 20 students saturday afternoon. It used to have
a hundred or more.
Flag land base used to have 700 students each day in its course room,
1982... I was there for months... by 1986, 56 students... lately
graduation stats show few old timer sir names, almost zero... and
gradulation lists indicating maybe 30 students... and thats where all
scn's in the world must matriculate to.
Id say 2,000 active scns world wide is a lot closer to accurate than
5,000..
Phil scott
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
Try Youtube.com search 'anonymous, raids, scientology' and assorted
variations. 20,000 to 30,000 video's... about 90% not bad at all...
about 10% world class.
Phil scott
phil scott
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:13:07 -0800 (PST), Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
face it Ted... it was you alone that closed the LV celebrity
center...and for the reasons you state... the simple sign,
no confrontation...simply presenting and indisputable and provable
fact...by the cults own advertisements... that indeed was completely
devastating... and with no way at all to discredit or smear you.
you were just asking a simple question... a simple devastating
question.
Thank you very very much for such fine service, and for founding much
of the original picketing tactics...that took the org populations down
by 90%.
Phil scott
Chef Xenu
I don't know historically how large they have claimed to be here, but
in central Ohio only about 20-30 Scientologists have actually shown up
for each of the org's various scheduled events which I have picketed
this year (three in the past month alone). The "Columbus Explorers
Honor Roll" lists 119 donors to the Columbus Ideal Org, one of which
is a Scientology front group, one a deceased person, and a number of
donations made in the name of the children of local Scientologists.
The Columbus metro area is estimated to have about 1.7 million
residents. This means that less than .007% of the population of the
Columbus metropolitan area have contributed to the Ideal Org, and
about .00147% of the population attend CoS social events described in
church emails as "A MUST FOR ALL SCIENTOLOGY FAMILIES AND FRIENDS."
I don't know how things are in other areas, but Scientology in Ohio is
definitely not thriving.
Peace,
Chef Xenu
_________
REB Slaughter (USN-RET)(SP V)
Chef-phone: 614-743-1446
4th (or 5th) Marcabian Invader Force, Mess Saucer 1138
http://youtube.com/ChefXenu - Bachelor pad cooking meets $cientology
http://youtube.com/OhioXenu - Protest footage + enturbulation
Eldon
You may be lowballing things a tad bit, Phil, but of course it always
depends on where one draws that wide gray stripe between "active" and
"inactive." It will be interesting to see how much of the Shrine
Auditorium they're able to fill up for this year's (pre-) New Year
event in Los Angeles.
I think it's now getting to the point where limited staff resources
make it impossible to get much done in terms of promoting events and
services to what's left of the membership.
An overall self-generating downward spiral of morale, so to speak.
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
we have not been good at counting heads at these events... the
numbers have dropped off a cliff since 1999.. as the various bogus
events photo's show. the man with no head photo etc. The next event
in LA will no doubt have a mix of real members and perhaps 50% hired
audience shills brought there on pretext of a group audition for the
next cruize or travolta film... in suits and gowns, dressed to the 9's
and coached on to act like scn's. and seated on a balcony away from
the real members (rreported at the man with no heads event also).
since then SF org and a few others that I know of went from damn few
students, 3 to 5... to no foot traffic at all over the dinner hour.
zero. Now with a world wide depression gearing up, whats left of the
criminal cult will most likely go into negative cash flow seeing as
how its stock and real estate investments are off now by 30 to 50%...
soon to be 80 to 90% if past history is any indication... with no way
to even feed staff or pay for maintenance on their buildings.
Personally I hate to see this happening, the world needs its disparate
mix of bogus notions..and counter forces, against the corrupt aspects
of pharma for example. Ridalin indeed has wreaked havoc on our
national brain trust... (not that there are not some valid uses, but
its grossly over used, and very destructive).
Id bet that under the table though, in govt infiltration and bogus
business etc..that scn could be bigger than ever...because of its
intelligence operations and how that can be used to leverage
politicians into office and bogus financial deals (such as with USBX
bank and the CIA's carlyle group)... that by itself is simply huge...
stated losses alone Feb 10th were stated at 22b 200b + is probably
more like it.
Phil scott
rattusrattus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Es_qeTgeE
for great justice...
for the LULZ!!!!!
"...rattusrattus is defamation spamming rat."-Barbara Schwarz
Ted Mayett
<elk...@seesig.invalid> wrote:
> street theater, done right.
> <http://asheville.indymedia.org/article/107Clowns>
>
Yeah :-))
Ted Mayett
<ph...@philscott.net> wrote:
>> Perhaps someone could put together a "Raids of February 2008" post and
>> web page. All the videos in one spot, all the reports in one spot.
>Try Youtube.com search 'anonymous, raids, scientology' and assorted
>variations. 20,000 to 30,000 video's... about 90% not bad at all...
>about 10% world class.
>
>
>Phil scott
Sorry kid, but I don't believe you have watched 2000 to 3000 of these
videos. Nice Postulate though.
rattusrattus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtXNhy1xFo&feature=relate
Merry Christmas!
Ted Mayett
all. You go to an org, the place is closed for some reason, and you
post that info. And as you get updates you post that also, this is
the way things work.
Which adults here really believe the hyped up mottos, never forgive,
forget, come back, dox or.... We all know these are just empty sounds
made by typical ignorant youth.
The titles that mean anything are the titles you earn, and not the
titles you proudly bestow upon yourself. And our Anons here are quick
to give themselves titles and mottos, but they are kids after all.
Sad though are adults here believing these things, these mottos. And
Justifying and Rationalizing them. From where does this desperation
come you might wonder. This need to believe these things. The
alacrity with which you learn and use their slang. So now you can
chirp about the org is closed means like the pool is closed or
whatever that is. Closed due to raids doesn't mean closed due to
raids it really means something else and if you were only cool and
enlightened and part of the cult you would know that and etc.
Why this desperate need to belong? So desperate you even change the
meanings of words and think that is the way things should be.
Dox is stfu is boring and useless, actually done you could never post
or web because everything is a work in progress. Duh, who didn't know
that! So along they come, they open up with a DOS attack and say in
newspaper articles that they did it for the laughs. And they also say
they do "Dox or stfu". It might occur to some of you that they said
that for the laughs also, but that is not what happened of course.
They are so full of themselves with all the stupidity you only find in
youth, they are so smug they actually believe they do this dox thing.
Which is fine, this is part of growing up, part of becoming an adult.
Again though it is quite sad when adults actually believe this stuff
without putting any thought to it. And proclaim it across the land
proudly. Bummer.
Now for the record, I've never made claim to 'dox or stfu' where I am
concerned. I'm just too smart to say something that stupid.
So there... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Ted Mayett
<Chef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I don't know historically how large they have claimed to be here, but
>in central Ohio only about 20-30 Scientologists have actually shown up
>for each of the org's various scheduled events which I have picketed
>this year (three in the past month alone). The "Columbus Explorers
>Honor Roll" lists 119 donors to the Columbus Ideal Org, one of which
>is a Scientology front group, one a deceased person, and a number of
>donations made in the name of the children of local Scientologists.
>
>The Columbus metro area is estimated to have about 1.7 million
>residents. This means that less than .007% of the population of the
>Columbus metropolitan area have contributed to the Ideal Org, and
>about .00147% of the population attend CoS social events described in
>church emails as "A MUST FOR ALL SCIENTOLOGY FAMILIES AND FRIENDS."
>
>I don't know how things are in other areas, but Scientology in Ohio is
>definitely not thriving.
>
>Peace,
>Chef Xenu
The New Years Event is the best time to get a count.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>I have no ethical problem with lying to get information, at least not
>per se. Simple little deceptions like "hey I'm going to be in town
>for the event is it still going to be at X on Y."
Yep, those were the lies I used, worded differently though as a rule.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>I won't have coffee with them either.
>
Why not?
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Ted Mayett" <ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:qka7l4lckrnh5dgvh...@4ax.com...
> Nobody really expects this 'dox or stfu' stuff, we are adults after
> all. You go to an org, the place is closed for some reason, and you
> post that info. And as you get updates you post that also, this is
> the way things work.
>
> Which adults here really believe the hyped up mottos, never forgive,
> forget, come back, dox or.... We all know these are just empty sounds
> made by typical ignorant youth.
What wishful thinking! And you even performed a standard sub-standard Clam
Projection Attempt.
We all know these are just empty sounds made by someone who's got some
trouble somehow. Please work it out.
--
SP Goodman
Usually Right "Reverend" Norle Enturbulata DTS, OD KTC
*
http://www.youtube.com/Enturbulata
http://tinyurl.com/yre7c6
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org
*
" You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
-- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
"...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
"Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill
them immediately and completely..."
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Science of Survival", p117
*
"5. invalidation is force applied. You apply enough force to anybody and
you've invalidated him. How invalidated can he get? Dead!"
- Dianetics and Scientology Tech. Dictionary by L. Ron Hubbard
rattusrattus
There is one little thing you have overlooked Ted...most of anonymous
are, or will be university students.
Can you imagine how many crtical papers, doctrial theses, classes, etc
etc etc these people will and are producing about scientology right
now? These people you dismiss so easily are tomorrow's leaders.
This isn't over...it's just begun! We will bury scientology.
LlllluuuullllZZZZ!