Hello, My name is Patty Pieniadz
Patty PIeniadz
My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
stories.
This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
in Scn and will post them soon.
I became involved with Scn in 1973 at the Narconon program in New
London, Connecticut. I was 18 years old at the time. I had been
accepted to the University of Connecticut but I dropped out and joined
the VISTA volunteers, which was a sort of a Peace Corps program for
the impoverished areas of the US.
I became a heavy drug user and came to a point in my life where I
realized I had to handle my drug problem. That decision led me to
Narconon and then directly to Scientology.
At that time (1973) NN didn't hide the Scn connection. It was quite
open and the Narconon Course packs were the actual HCOB's and PL's and
not the glossy Narconon packs that you see today. The Narconon
Objectives Course was called the HQS Course or the Hubbard Qualified
Scientologist Course when I joined up in 1973.
After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
the New England area.
I left the GO in 1981 to have a family. I did not want to raise
children while on Church staff and year or so after I left the GO it
was disbanded for being a "suppressive group".
I stayed off lines for several years but then eventually found my way
back and was recruited as an "OSA volunteer". At first I did overt
data collection for OSA Boston and then after a while I was involved
in more "covert" activities such as infiltrating a "squirrel group",
stealing trash and other OSA "ops". I did this kind of volunteer OSA
work for approximately 14 years on and off and will be writing more
detailed accounts of my activities as an OSA volunteer.
It's nothing I am proud of, it's just information that I think should
be made known.
I don't remember what it was that got me interested in reading
critical sites but one day I just jumped in and started reading. After
a while I came to realize that current C of S was not the same C of S
that I joined in 1973. I decided that I would no longer support the C
of S and slowly drifted away.
In Sept, 2003, Maureen O'Keefe, a woman that I recruited into Scn and
one of my closest friends showed up at my home unannounced and
uninvited. Maureen was the Invest Dir for OSA Boston and she brought
along a woman named Kathy True, from OSA Int. They arrived on a
Saturday night around 9:00.
When they arrived I had already fallen asleep on the couch while
watching TV and so their knocking at my front door startled me. I
invited them in, after all Maureen was a good friend and her mother
lives only a few towns away from me so it sort of made sense that she
might drop in to see me, but it was strange that she hadn't called
first.
It didn't take long for me to find out that it was not a friendly
uninvited drop by. They were there on official business and accused
me of sending out OT III data from my yahoo account to a Scn mailing
list.
I told them no way, this was not possible, and that I would never do
such a thing. I was told that if they could just have access to my
computer they could clear this entire matter up. I realized they
expected me to just let them have access with no questions because if
you are a good Scientologist, and you were innocent of any "crimes"
you would not hesitate to do what OSA wanted you to do.
My computer was located in my bedroom and at that moment my husband
was asleep in bed and there was no way I was going to have them go in
there and start looking around and disturbing my husband. I don't
know about you, but I don't like people in my bedroom. And I knew my
husband wouldn't appreciate it.
Kathy True told me that they had a computer expert look at the email
and he concluded that the OT III information definitely was sent from
my account. Of course they brought no proof of this.
I told them someone must of hacked into my account and done this and
that I would close the account and inform hotmail of what was going
on.
I refused them access to my computer not only because it would have
disturbed my husband, but also because this whole caper stunk and I
knew they were lying but I couldn't figure out why. I had worked for
OSA long enough to know that they were running some kind of crazy con
on me and I was a bit upset that they were not forthcoming with the
real reason why they were there. Maureen O'Keefe knew me and knew I
would never mail out OT III data but she sat there and lied to my
face. It scared the hell out of me that a woman that I loved and
trusted for so many years would do this to a friend.
Maureen O'Keefe, the woman I recruited into Scn, the godmother to my
son, the woman that was a bridesmaid in my wedding, this same woman
who called herself my friend was in my home and lying to me and
running some kind of OSA op on me. Why?
Finally I told them I was tired and they got me to agree that they
could discuss this further with me on the next day.
Maureen and Kathy showed up the next day but ran into the problem of
it being Sunday and the only thing that happens on a Sunday afternoon
in the fall/winter in the Pieniadz house is eating, drinking and
watching football and/or watching UConn basketball. I forgot that I
had invited friends over to watch with us and so Maureen and Kathy
walked in on a little football party and seemed none to pleased.
Maureen and Kathy wanted to talk to me privately but I explained to
them that I told my friends about the problem of my hotmail account
being hacked into and that confidential data sent out from it and so
they could freely discuss the matter with my friends (Wogs) in the
room.
Maureen proceeded tell me that the problem was all solved! All I had
to do was give them my computer and then they would put in a PO
(purchase order) for me to have a brand new computer. These two girls
must have thought I just fell off the turnip truck. I am going to
give them my brand new computer and THEN they will get a PO approved?
Right, sure! The chances of them getting a PO approved for a brand
new computer for someone they suspect is sending out OT III materials
is about triple zero. None, nada, no way, forget about it.
I told them NO WAY it wasn't going to happen and they both were a bit
miffed at my refusal to their brilliant idea. I invited them to stay,
have lunch and watch the football game but they declined.
I noticed a few months later that I stopped getting Scn magazines and
Scn junk mail, and thought it was weird but figured they were mad a me
and this was how they were letting me know.
Nine months later I got my official SP declare in the mail and just
for good measure they declared my husband as well. I'll get it posted
as soon as I figure out how.
I have to say I was rather ambivalent when I got that declare. I was
sort of curious as to what it was all about but I had no interest in
querying it or getting copies of these KR's that were never sent to me
and that might explain what exactly my "crimes" were.
It proved my point that my friend Maureen was lying to me because the
declare said nothing about sending out OT III data but instead accused
me of passing on information to critics.
I was actually relieved when I received that declare because I would
never have to answer up or explain why I wasn't following one of the
many Scn's rules of life. I was free to pursue whatever interests I
wanted to and was no longer restricted in looking and learning in
life. I was free of them and was happy that I would not have to deal
with them ever again.
Then a few days before Christmas 2004, Maureen O'Keefe showed up at my
work. Yes, I work in donut shop!
I am an OT III that works in a donut shop. I spent all of my adult
life in Scn and after 30 years of being with them the only skill I had
was being a Scio and working in a Scio company. The only thing
available to me was minimum wage because I had no real prior
experience in anything else.
So I took the job of working in the donut shop with my mom and we have
lots of fun. That photo of on the Scn website (Religious Freedom
Watch) was taken on what is known as "wacky Wednesday". That was a
day that we had a great time and everyone at work dressed up kind of
wacky. So of course, in true Scn style, one of Scn's PI's or
"volunteers" came to my work that day and took the picture. Scn has a
very perverted sense of "fun". Only they would use something theta
like a bunch of women having fun and dressing up funny, and using it
to belittle that person.
But just recently the local paper did a feature article on me and mom.
I'll also post that article as soon as I figure how to do that.
I think OSA thought that it might embarrass me to work in a place like
that but it doesn't. I love that job and have a great deal of fun
there. I know hundreds of people from working there. I can't go
anywhere in town without seeing 4 or 5 people I know and we say hi or
stop and chat. It was never like that when I was in Scn. I work with
wogs now and we all get along and we even do things together outside
of work. I don't have to worry about stats or conditions or fake
status levels.
Maureen O'Keefe showing up at work right before Christmas kind of
surprised me. I was curious as to why she was there and realized she
must have gotten some sort of special OK to speak with me now that I
was a declared SP.
Maureen took me out to lunch (Dutch treat, of course) and we chit
chatted about friends and family and then Maureen asked me why I
thought she was there. I told her I thought that she must be here
because she cared about me and want to talk me into doing my A to E.
She was seemed a bit surprised by my answer and said, "well actually,
no, that would be nice, but I am here to tell you that we know you are
posting to the internet as Cerridwen and that we can't have you do
that". She did not wait for a reply but instead just started what
appeared to be a scripted talk about how she knows that I might have
disagreements but she knows that I loved Scn as much as she does and
she can't understand why I am doing this and if I continued posting to
ars that she would be forced to apply the PL on handling critics.
We talked for about 2 and a half hours and when I asked what proof she
had to say that I was posting, she said that it was done through a
process of elimination, whatever that means.
I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends.
Maureen was trying to "pull strings" to find out when and why I became
disaffected. She said something about having spent a lot of time with
my folders and putting together a time track of me but she still just
couldn't figure it out.
Well of course she couldn't figure it out. Maureen O'Keefe is a very
indoctrinated Scientologists and couldn't figure her way out of a
paper bag without Hubbard telling her how.
It finally came down to Maureen saying. "If you don't stop posting,
we will apply the policy on handling critics". I told her if she did
apply those policies against me I would forgive her.
A few days after our lunch together, Maureen called my house and left a
message for my husband Bobby. Bobby has no interest in talking with
Maureen or any one from the Church as he had already left the Church
years before me.
We had a family conference with my son Derek and decided that we would
just write a letter of disconnection to Maureen and the C of S and
tell her to just leave us alone. The day after I sent the letter of
disconnection, they put up a webpage about me on Religious Freedom
Watch.
I currently suffer from several autoimmune diseases that I am working
hard on getting under control and getting myself healthier. I finally
started doing something about these diseases once I left the church
and rid myself of my agreement with Scn's viewpoint on the medical
profession and that all illness stems only from ptsness and spiritual
problems. I finally got rid of the false information that I truly
believed in . That false information assisted in me neglecting my
health for a very long time thinking Scn tech (the OT levels) would
handle it.
And as far as all my "finance crimes" -- I swear I was just following
LRH finance policy!;)
I figure any critic with one of those disgusting pages already knows
that they are filled with half truths and lies. I'm not going to even
bother to explain the real truth behind them. I don't really care what
they say about me. They are only words and lying words at that. They
have no power over me any more.
I have a lot more to report on and give my permission for this and my
other stories to be webbed by critics of Scientology.
Patty Pieniadz
Howard
Dear Patty
An interesting account - thankyou.
cheers
Howard
--
hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
Zinj
says...
Congratulations Patty, and welcome aboard. It'll be great to hear more
of your story.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/pieniadzp01.jpg
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/pieniadzp02.jpg
Phil Scott
Superb write up Patty. Its reports like these, human,
factual, plane spoken, and not elaborated that make it very
clear what is going with scientology, and how they operate.
Your accounts of how the USGO and OSA work, and how your long
time friends lied to your face gives additional insight into
the insidious nature of this cult.
You are well spoken, obviously intelligent, with a life...
this shows and its in contrast to the cult tactics and
operations.
I myself would appreciate anything you can add about how
deeply scn has infiltrated government and corporations ...
from what I can gather lately that is ramping up steeply, but
kept carefully under wraps with the ops drilled not to use any
scn language, references or connections... but so far these
have always included one very direct but casually mentioned
scientology connection... an example would be 'delphi or
apple school etc' not use of the scn name..but enough to
trigger a reaction from someone critical to scn that would
know about the connection. These people Ive run into lately,
one called me on a professional deal so it could have been a
set up, the other I met by accident in a situation that
wouldnt have been a set up.
It is also just GREAT to hear that your coming out onto ARS is
because of the cult ops against Chuck Beaty..he is doing a
world class job...
combined thats going to break this mess wide open, especially
as investigators continue to put 2 and 2 together as they did
with Reed Slatkin, on the larger real estate/ bank and money
laundering frauds.
www.lermanet.com
www.slatkifraud.com
www.digl-watch.com
www.torymagoo.org
Phil Scott
"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46m73cF...@individual.net...
Kim Palmer
Thank you for taking the time to share your story and posting
it here for all to share. Congrats on finding your way out and
beyond the insanity that is COS. I look forward to more stories
from you,.
Kim P
Ed
Patty PIeniadz wrote:
>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
>
{rest snipped]
Thanks for coming out and I'm looking forward to more of your
story. Best of luck in your endeavors. It looks like you have a whole
town there to back you up if OSA tries anything nasty.
BTW, how do you pronounce the name Pieniadz?
Ed
Michael Greenberg
Thanks for being there and all you've done over the years.
Michael Greenberg
Chip Gallo
Hi Patty! What has motivated you to talk about your secret agent duties
more openly? Please remember to shred private stuff and monitor your
credit (but you knew that ...).
Thanks,
Chip Gallo
Knowing How to Know is Knowing Where to Go:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363363/inside_scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/tommygorman.htm
http://www.xenu.net/
http://www.xenuTV.com
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
http://whyaretheydead.net/
http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?11
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html
http://www.torymagoo.org/
Patty Pieniadz
"Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.ffffffffb...@news.day.sbcglobal.net...
> of your story.
Thanks Zinj!
There's lots more to come!
Patty Pieniadz
"Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:du4rmb$eov$1...@news.tdl.com...
>
> Superb write up Patty. Its reports like these, human, factual, plane
> spoken, and not elaborated that make it very clear what is going with
> scientology, and how they operate.
>
> Your accounts of how the USGO and OSA work, and how your long time friends
> lied to your face gives additional insight into the insidious nature of
> this cult.
>
> You are well spoken, obviously intelligent, with a life... this shows and
> its in contrast to the cult tactics and operations.
Thanks Phil, That's very nice of you to say that.
>
>
> I myself would appreciate anything you can add about how deeply scn has
> infiltrated government and corporations ...
What I know will be posted in my stories. I haven't been active
in Scn for a few years so I'm not really up to date with what is
currently going on in regard to infiltration of gov't and corporations.
>
> >
> It is also just GREAT to hear that your coming out onto ARS is because of
> the cult ops against Chuck Beaty..he is doing a world class job...
Chuck is simply awesome.
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
"Howard" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:4405EB55...@privacy.net...
> Top post:
>
> Dear Patty
>
> An interesting account - thankyou.
>
> cheers
You're welcome :-)
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
"Ed" <met...@aol.com> wrote in message news:4405F834...@aol.com...
Thanks Ed,
Yes,I'm pretty well known around town and have lots of wog friends these
days
and most of them know all about my Scn past and have been educated as to
OSA's dumb games.
>
> BTW, how do you pronounce the name Pieniadz?
It's pronounced Pee-nee-adz. It's Polish and is my husband's name.
My maiden name was Moher.
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
"Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:G9KYRNSU3877...@reece.net.au...
> You are nothing but a beached whale, Patty Pieniadz.
>
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/pieniadzp01.jpg
>
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/pieniadzp02.jpg
>
>
>
>
LOL!
That was fast.
Just in case you missed it. My best friend was Maureen O'keefe, Invest Dir
of OSA
Boston.
Seen here:
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/mirror/xenu.ca/pickets/photos/1998-09-19-deepwog/n/020.jpg
and here:
http://www.pewid.ch/img/boston2.gif
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
"Michael Greenberg" <micha...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:1141243306....@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Hi Michael,
Thanks and I've only just begun!
Patty
>
>
Patty Pieniadz
"Kim Palmer" <yduzit...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:4405...@news2.lightlink.com...
>
> Thank you for taking the time to share your story and posting
> it here for all to share. Congrats on finding your way out and
> beyond the insanity that is COS. I look forward to more stories
> from you,.
>
Thanks for your kind welcome Kim,
There's lots more to come!
Patty
Ball of Fluff
Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
>
I look forward to them.
You are obviously a courageous and decent person and glad to see you
posting here.
Claire
Howard
Oh and btw, welcome to ars.
Howard
--
hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
Michael Pattinson
Wonderful to see your stories posted so well here!
I would be interested in the OSA ops that you know about...
:))
Love
Michael Pattinson
karethian at msn dot com
Michael Greenberg
What I meant was.... thanks for being a scientologist for so many years
and finally coming out..
Welcome..
MIchael Greenberg
> >
>
> >
Susan
Congratulations on your freedom from the insidious cult of scientology!
Thanks for sharing your well written story.
I'm looking forward to more of them.
Susan
Patty Pieniadz
>>
>
> Hi Patty! What has motivated you to talk about your secret agent
> duties more openly? Please remember to shred private stuff and
> monitor your credit (but you knew that ...).
>
> Thanks,
> Chip Gallo
Chuck Beatty was my inspiration. He's been asking for Ex SO to come forward
(I'm not EX so) and he's been asking if anyone has information on OSA
activities
that could be recorded for historial purposes.
OSA has been viciously been attacking Chuck and he has been standing up to
them
and letting them know that he's not afraid of them. I figured it was time
for me to do the same.
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
Thanks Claire,
You too are courageous and decent and I am very happy to be here with you.
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
No problem, that's kind of what I thought you meant!
Patty
>
>
> MIchael Greenberg
Patty Pieniadz
> Bravo Patty !!!
>
> Wonderful to see your stories posted so well here!
>
> I would be interested in the OSA ops that you know about...
I aim to please!
I will be posting what I have written up so far and then as things shake
loose from
my memory, I'm sure I will have more things to tell you.
Patty
Patty Pieniadz
> Welcome Patty!
>
> Congratulations on your freedom from the insidious cult of
> scientology!
> Thanks for sharing your well written story.
>
> I'm looking forward to more of them.
>
> Susan
Keep your eyes on ars, I have a few good ones that you might find
interesting.
And thanks for the welcome.
Patty
Zinj
thra...@reece.net.au says...
> You are nothing but a beached whale, Patty Pieniadz.
>
And you are the 'Church' of Scientology; and religiousfreedomwatch is
the 'Church' of Scientology, although it's too ashamed to put its name
to it. Or to you, which means they are also too ashamed of you.
moontaco
accessible.
I have to admit, I am (relatively) late thanking you for your post
because when I first saw it I thought it was another CoS attempt to
smear Cerridwen, so I ignored it. I just found out what it really was a
fewminutes ago when I saw it reposted on on the Operation Clambake
message board. I'm glad I finally read it, and I look forward to
reading your other messages.
I'll join everyone else in welcoming you to ARS. I also wanted to tell
you that my first job ever was at Dunkin' Donuts and I had alot of fun
there (even though my boss was a pain in the ass). I worked the counter
and occasionally even got to "finish" donuts. (I don't know if you call
it that, but it's adding topping and fillings to the donuts.)
Nice to meet you.
Beth (aka moontaco)
Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
>
goo...@draemr.com
I too want to thank you and encourage you for coming *out* under your
own name to reveal your own personal knowledge about the "church" of
scientology.
There is something very powerful and rewarding about standing up as
yourself, testifying as to what you know to be true despite what slings
and arrows may come.
It communicates. It comes across so powerfully.
And by contrast to the "PR" "acceptable truths" "shore stories" and
"positioning" of those who still are under the sway of the "church", it
reveals these as the "church's" cynical posturings and manipulative
lying they are.
Michael Leonard Tilse
Patty Pieniadz
"moontaco" <moont...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141249933.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Patty. Sorry for top-posting but I wanted to make my post easily
> accessible.
>
> I have to admit, I am (relatively) late thanking you for your post
> because when I first saw it I thought it was another CoS attempt to
> smear Cerridwen, so I ignored it. I just found out what it really was a
> fewminutes ago when I saw it reposted on on the Operation Clambake
> message board. I'm glad I finally read it, and I look forward to
> reading your other messages.
>
> I'll join everyone else in welcoming you to ARS. I also wanted to tell
> you that my first job ever was at Dunkin' Donuts and I had alot of fun
> there (even though my boss was a pain in the ass). I worked the counter
> and occasionally even got to "finish" donuts. (I don't know if you call
> it that, but it's adding topping and fillings to the donuts.)
>
> Nice to meet you.
>
> Beth (aka moontaco)
>
I love working at Dunkin D. It's the first time I have ever worked with
wogs
and boy they are a fun bunch of people.
I'll see if I can dig up that article that the local paper did on me and
mom.
Patty
moontaco
I see you posted it. Cool! It's next on my list. :-)
Beth
bb
Of course you know I love you. :)
Is good to know you. :)
bb
Hartley Patterson
>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
And thank you for doing so. I was surprised when you were 'revealed' to be
Cerridwen since my impression was that that individual was covering her
tracks better, and your story seems to add to the mystery. Perhaps someone
higher up the food chain than your ex-friend is convinced and no one is
going to contradict that person.
Anyway, it's good to hear that becoming an evil enemy of the cult by proxy
hasn't upset you.
--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm
Muldoon
Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
-snip-
> Patty Pieniadz
Welcome!
And thank you for the wonderful postings so far. Already, you have
helped many.
Phineas Fogg
Thank you for this wonderful post, very informative.
Take care,
Phineas Fogg
"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
Larry T.
news:44063f85$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Larry
Famous...@artlover.com
Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I
You are also Cerridwen, you fabricate stories, and you violate the
privacy of Scientologists by posting longs lists with their names in
hostile newsgroup as this to harass them.
I don't believe your victim story at all.
One day you might get sued.
barbz
Hehehehe...you culties are funny when you're riled. Or "enturbulated,"
as Ron liked to put it.
--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.
$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser
Phil Scott
"Patty Pieniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46mf2tF...@individual.net...
>
> "Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
> news:du4rmb$eov$1...@news.tdl.com...
>>
>> Superb write up Patty. Its reports like these, human,
>> factual, plane spoken, and not elaborated that make it very
>> clear what is going with scientology, and how they operate.
>>
>> Your accounts of how the USGO and OSA work, and how your
>> long time friends lied to your face gives additional
>> insight into the insidious nature of this cult.
>>
>> You are well spoken, obviously intelligent, with a life...
>> this shows and its in contrast to the cult tactics and
>> operations.
>
> Thanks Phil, That's very nice of you to say that.
>
>
>>
>>
>> I myself would appreciate anything you can add about how
>> deeply scn has infiltrated government and corporations ...
>
> What I know will be posted in my stories. I haven't been
> active
> in Scn for a few years so I'm not really up to date with
> what is
> currently going on in regard to infiltration of gov't and
> corporations.
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> It is also just GREAT to hear that your coming out onto ARS
>> is because of the cult ops against Chuck Beaty..he is doing
>> a world class job...
>
> Chuck is simply awesome.
Adding what Chuck is doing, and what you and others just
coming out are doing, its a little more than awesome. This
mess is unraveling and there will be no way to ravel it back
again.
Posting publicly as you are doing will be good protection for
you... every stab in the back the cos tries will be
documented....
it is my view that they have a lot more to loose by expose
than any of us realize, and it is this that accounts for the
insane levels of ruthlessness. I dont think its saving the
planet at this point.
Many ex scn executives have testified that the insiders at the
top had never believed in L Rongs baloney. I saw that even as
public at flag... these people in some areas were callous on
the issue.
Phil Scott
>
> Patty
>
cultxpt
rational enough to talk to, unlike many of the other 'handlers' we had.
In fact, Maureen explained to me why the L's are named that and what
class levels entail. All in all she is one of the nicer Scientologists
that I've met. That's not to say she doesn't do creepy things, just
that I found her at least somewhat accessible.
wbarwell
>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
> -----------------
I don't think any sane person takes their silly hate pages seriously.
This is all pretty weird, its obviously deeply indoctrinated
people inside scientology do not think like the rest of us.
The sad part is, they have obviously galled you enough to speak out which
means they pulled this all in on themselves. They mocked
up enemies and committed overts to make sure they get hit back.
Apparently they can't even apply Hubbard tech correctly.
Anyway, thanks for speaking out and telling us this,
though it is the sort of tale told a million times.
We got tired of it all, left and now are declared by
an angry cult.
Had tehy left you alone, not put up a page
on their hate site, it all would have long been
over.
Now they seemingly have gone to a lot of trouble
for nothing.
--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
Phil Scott
<Famous...@artlover.com> wrote in message
snip
> One day you might get sued.
>
http://www.parishioners.borg/extremists/ criminal cult.html
Hey! That link is all screwed up.... now look, anon cult
person. it is the cult of scientologists going to prison like
clockwork and molesting the kiddies etc... not those who
expose you people without even the courage to post with your
own name/
Now here is a link that woiks
www.lermanet.com
Impressive, no?
Say hi to Davie for me... whatta guy/
Phil Scott
wbarwell
Here you have it, Stupidology at its best.
ewsnead
"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46m73cF...@individual.net...
>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
> After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
> then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
> held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
> Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
> the New England area.
Patty, sorry to snip so much of your fascinating saga, but I have a few
questions.
When you arrived at the Boston ORG was it still located on Beacon St just a
short stroll west of Kenmore Square or had it by then relocated to the Back
Bay?
Were Jerome Wilson and Connie Mumas (SP?) still at the ORG. I heard several
years ago that they eventually married and that Wilson climbed the
Scientology career ladder from ORG Registrar to OSA operative. If you are at
all familiar with them, what actually became of Wilson and Connie.
Who was the chief Ethics officer of the Boston ORG at the time of your
arrival?
Thanks for reading. Hope that you respond.
--
ewsnead
We accumulate our opinions at an age when our understanding is at its
weakest. - George Christoph Lichtenberg
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.scientomogy.info/index.html#NEW
http://firstdistributorsnz.com/scien...south-park.htm
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.xenutv.com
and (drum roll)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology
Ed
Hey... there's no earthly reason to make the word "org" ALL
CAPS. They don't do it in Scn.
Ed
realpch
>
> Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> > on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
> >
> > After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> > his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> > stories.
> >
> > in Scn and will post them soon.
> >
>
>
> You are obviously a courageous and decent person and glad to see you
> posting here.
>
> Claire
It's a real treat, isn't it? Wow.
Peach
ewsnead
"Ed" <met...@aol.com> wrote in message news:44065BB7...@aol.com...
:-)
By capitalizing *ORG* I can enhance the inherent ugliness of this lone
syllable that signifies significant hives of Scientology activity and
thereby enhance the inherent ugliness of Scientology itself.
I keep myself awake late into the night improvising new strategies to drag
Scientology through the mud. It's fun.
--
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
Hi Patty,
I'll bet I know some people you know. I helped train a bunch of Boston
Org execs in the late 70's early 80's. Nick Petrunti, Ron Savello,
Michele (Savello), Andy and Lisa Cowenhoven, Paul and Jean Disher, and
some public like Charlie McCarthy. My first wife used to be in Dept 1
of HCO in Boston Org, back in the early 70's, Ann Halbom, married and
forget her married name.
I completely agree about working with real people, lots of them, daily.
I sell newspapers, door to door. For me, its like I finally got a
real look at life, working with the wide public daily. I just had no
idea about life and people until this door to door salesman job. I
think getting to know people in the raw in life, is just the best
reindoctrination after my own 27 years in the isolated bubble of the
Sea Org. I love talking to people at their homes daily. It's just
such an eye-opener.
I estimate I've talked to about 10-15 thousand people in the last 1 1/2
years, going door to door.
I would love to hear more about how OSA volunteers work, and your take
on the official church today and the trends you think in the OSA stuff,
whether it's lightening up, or what.
I am so pollyanna about things, I just can't imagine that official
Scientology will not inevitably slowly change from its worst policies
that cause so much public backlash.
So many people are declared SP, wrongly. Thousands and thousands of
wrong SP declares.
The only sane handling is an unconditional amnesty, and start over, and
NOT declare people anymore. The LRH reference I found they could use,
would be the "About Rhodesia" tape.
I'd give you a big hug if I could! Thanks for coming out!
Best, Chuck Beatty
Magoo
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
wooo hooooooooooo! Thanks, Patty, and welcome!
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
:)
>
> I became involved with Scn in 1973 at the Narconon program in New
> London, Connecticut. I was 18 years old at the time. I had been
> accepted to the University of Connecticut but I dropped out and joined
> the VISTA volunteers, which was a sort of a Peace Corps program for
> the impoverished areas of the US.
>
> I became a heavy drug user and came to a point in my life where I
> realized I had to handle my drug problem. That decision led me to
> Narconon and then directly to Scientology.
>
> At that time (1973) NN didn't hide the Scn connection. It was quite
> open and the Narconon Course packs were the actual HCOB's and PL's and
> not the glossy Narconon packs that you see today. The Narconon
> Objectives Course was called the HQS Course or the Hubbard Qualified
> Scientologist Course when I joined up in 1973.
>
> After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
> then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
> held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
> Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
> the New England area.
>
> Patty Pieniadz
Congratulations on your coming out! I can't wait to hear more,
and just get to know you more. Thanks for sharing with us......
It's a wild ride, and way worth it :)
My best,
Tory/Magoo~
>
>
>
realpch
The people associated with that website should be embarrassed at how
transparent are their elitist attitudes towards other people's
employment. I recall that Stacey Brooks was accused of being a former
cocktail waitress. Greg Hagglund was a newspaper deliveryman. Egads! So
if the world went to the Scientologists instead of the dogs as it
currently is doing, who the heck would be left to bring the martinis,
deliver the newspapers, or pour the coffee and serve the donuts? Would a
massive section of the population have to be put on the RPF to handle
these tasks?
Really, it's a delicate operation to endeavor to insult someone
indirectly without insulting lots of other people in the process.
Peach
Tilman Hausherr
<ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am an OT III that works in a donut shop.
:-)
Some day, Mike Rinder will also work in a donut shop.
And who knows, maybe Warren McShane already does.
Tilman
PS: Welcome to ars!
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
Dave Touretzky
>
>So if the world went to the Scientologists instead of the dogs as it
>currently is doing, who the heck would be left to bring the martinis,
>deliver the newspapers, or pour the coffee and serve the donuts?
I get similar guff from Amway cultists who send me hate mail for my
anti-Amway site. They look down their noses at anyone holding a
"job", working for a "boss" instead of themselves.
I ask them: is that what you tell the teachers who educate your children?
Or the nurses in the hospital who care for you when you're sick? Or
the folks who rush to your house in the middle of the night when you call
for an ambulance or a firetruck?
That tends to wipe the smirks off their faces.
-- Dave Touretzky: "Ambots, Quixtards, and clams, oh my!"
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway
gavinoidda
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I
I am Gavino Idda, I fabricate stories, and I violate the privacy of
Scientology's critics by webbing lies and half-truths on the Church of
Scientology sponsored web site
http://www.parishioners.org/lies&half-truths. Hi Tina Phllips! Hi Joel Phillips!
One day I might get sued. Make that, One day I will get sued.
If you're a Scientologist in good standing reading this, route yourself to
Ethics immediately. But don't mention me by name.
Gavino Idda, OSA Int
Internet Terrorist
Maureen O'Keefe
>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
>After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
>his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
>stories.
>
>This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
>in Scn and will post them soon.
>
>Patty Pieniadz
I KNEW you were going to do this some day. I JUST KNEW IT!
Maureen O'Keefe
OSA Boston
roger gonnet
"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
46m73cF...@individual.net...
Hello Patty!
wellcome on board, to imitate the awfully dead-wrong Hubbard the flubbard.
Indeed, we had some views of you as the bad girl who's in the big list of worse
enemies of the scam cult.
Your story is very interesting. I wish you the best for your health job and
everything.
And yes, your story looks true and fits very well to what the cult says and does
to those who dare to tell the truth!
Have a great time,
thanks for you being there, --
Roger Gonnet
Opposant à la scientologie depuis 23 ans
Opposing scientology crime cult since 23 Years
http://scientologie.fraude.free.fr
http://narconon.critique.free.fr
tél (33)[0]4 26 81 00 96
>
>
David Miscavige
>On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:22:23 -0500, "Patty PIeniadz"
><ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I am an OT III that works in a donut shop.
>
> :-)
>
>Some day, Mike Rinder will also work in a donut shop.
>
>And who knows, maybe Warren McShane already does.
I will never work in a donut shop. Prisons don't have donut shops.
DM
"There is none more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free!" Goethe.
Ku...@anon.lcs.mit.edu
you alone. :^)
Kurt Weiland, OSA Int
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Patty PIeniadz skrev:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
> ned up in 1973.
>
<snip of bandwith concerns>
Thank you so much for an interesting and touching story. You are so
wellcome to the world of "wogs" ( I guess you already know that) I hope
you get the best possible professional help and adequate therapy for
your autimmune problems.
Ulf Brettstam, MD
and ( Oh My) Senior Psychiatrist
andyhoare
You were such an inspiration to us OSA volunteers in Toronto. We're all
sorry to see you go.
But maybe some day we'll see you on the other side of ... the trash.
Andy Hoare, OSA Int Volunteer
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
Eldonbraun
> "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46m73cF...@individual.net...
> >
> > My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> > on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
> >
> > After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> > his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> > stories.
>
> wooo hooooooooooo! Thanks, Patty, and welcome!
Tory, Patty and Chuck:
One thing y'all should realize, word clear ;-) and fully understand is
this: The duration and depth of your involvement in Scientology is
directly proportionate to your ability to expose it now that you're
out. To put it another way, your stories are far more valuable in
forwarding the emancipation of cult slaves than what others like myself
have to say. It's an Uncle Tom's Cabin sorta thing, you know. It gets
people riled.
Patty, I just LOVED that bit about your "best friend" showing up at
your house on a Saturday night demanding immediate access to your
computer. At some point, LRH surely must have issued a policy stating
that a primie condition of Scientology membership is granting a
permanent, unconditional search warrant of said member's residence and
personal property, including brain cells. The Lisa Clause followed, but
I'm sure there's an early PL to that effect waiting to be discovered in
the "archives" of DM's imagination.
They know how dangerous you are -- ideologically, you are WAY
dangerous. That's precisely why you scare them so much. Keep up the
good work. It is a moral imperative.
BigBeard
"wbarwell" <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:120clju...@corp.supernews.com...
> Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours wrote:
>
>
> Here you have it, Stupidology at its best.
>
You mean they don't run the Whale Watching Tours out to the far
side of Block Island from the City Pier in New London any more???
Shuckens!!!
BigBeard
Katana ko chi, SPsoo
barbz
Eugene Ingram
Eugene (Gene) Ingram, still a Private Investigator for Scientology after
all these years . . .
---
"I'll put a bullet between your eyes." To Gerry Armstrong in 1984.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
>After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
>his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
>stories.
>
>This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
>in Scn and will post them soon.
>
>I became involved with Scn in 1973 at the Narconon program in New
>London, Connecticut. I was 18 years old at the time. I had been
>accepted to the University of Connecticut but I dropped out and joined
>the VISTA volunteers, which was a sort of a Peace Corps program for
>the impoverished areas of the US.
>
>I became a heavy drug user and came to a point in my life where I
>realized I had to handle my drug problem. That decision led me to
>Narconon and then directly to Scientology.
>
>At that time (1973) NN didn't hide the Scn connection. It was quite
>open and the Narconon Course packs were the actual HCOB's and PL's and
>not the glossy Narconon packs that you see today. The Narconon
>Objectives Course was called the HQS Course or the Hubbard Qualified
>Scientologist Course when I joined up in 1973.
>
>After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
>then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
>held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
>Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
>the New England area.
>
Magoo
<Ku...@anon.lcs.mit.edu>; <Wei...@anon.lcs.mit.edu>; "OSA Int"
<KurtW...@OsaInt.org> wrote in message
news:0ODBJ8XI3877...@anonymous.poster...
> If you had replaced yourself and turned over your hat, we would have left
> you alone. :^)
The old BS line of OSA's (even if this is a joke, this IS what OSA would say
to Patty). Note: I DID "Turn over my hat", I wrote it up to Mike Rinder,
NEVER Heard ~a~ word from the D*** and ahhhh....the rest is H I S T O R Y :)
Keep talkin'....it's your best defense.
Tory/Magoo~~
Feisty
Welcome Patty, your words will help others immensely.
Glad to read you lurked and read ars. The intrusiveness of this cult to take over
thoughts and words cannot stand up to you,
for you are really free :-))
There is a part that Hubbard can not take away from anybody, and I hope that others
realize through the honesty of your words, that they have the same capacity to do the
right thing. Thanks for having the courage to share, and in reading some of your other
posts so far, your protectiveness - to alert people to what you were asked to do, is a
gift to help us learn more - not only about having a conscience to question such things,
but to let us know what other members are asked to do daily. All of this falling under
keeping silent the secrets where totalitarian control exists, and the need to reinforce
loyalty for the "$cientology cause." Silencing people, displacing people and their kinship
towards one another and their family is not freedom.
Thanks for having the courage to walk away. And do take care of your health, it is very
important to have the joy of feeling physically well. You need to be well to keep sharing
your messages to the world.
Feisty
>
>
> Patty Pieniadz
>
>
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
from the inside, from someone who the cult cannot say "they haven't tried
it". Cheers!
Ball of Fluff
"Patty Pieniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46mgq2F...@individual.net...
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
>> Patty PIeniadz wrote:
>>> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>>> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>>>
>>> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
>>> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
>>> stories.
>>>
>>> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
>>> in Scn and will post them soon.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You are obviously a courageous and decent person and glad to see you
>> posting here.
>>
>> Claire
>
>
>
> You too are courageous and decent and I am very happy to be here with you.
:-)
Hope you have fun here. Whatever anyone else may tell you, that's the ~real~
purpose of life...
C
bb
I stayed off lines for several years but then eventually found my way
back and was recruited as an "OSA volunteer". At first I did overt
data collection for OSA Boston and then after a while I was involved
in more "covert" activities such as infiltrating a "squirrel group",
stealing trash and other OSA "ops". I did this kind of volunteer OSA
work for approximately 14 years on and off and will be writing more
detailed accounts of my activities as an OSA volunteer.
I'm interested in the activity re "squirrel " groups. I'm part of
one
and we've definitely come up on their radar.
David Miscavige
If you KNEW it, WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU MAKE IT GO RIGHT TO STOP HER, YOU
STUPID BITCH? (slap slap)
And contact Kirsty Alley about your weight problem! Jenny Craig can help
you with that!
David Miscavige
><Ku...@anon.lcs.mit.edu>; <Wei...@anon.lcs.mit.edu>; "OSA Int"
><KurtW...@OsaInt.org> wrote in message
>news:0ODBJ8XI3877...@anonymous.poster...
>> If you had replaced yourself and turned over your hat, we would have left
>> you alone. :^)
>
>The old BS line of OSA's (even if this is a joke, this IS what OSA would say
>to Patty). Note: I DID "Turn over my hat", I wrote it up to Mike Rinder,
>NEVER Heard ~a~ word from the D*** and ahhhh....the rest is H I S T O R Y :)
>
>Keep talkin'....it's your best defense.
Don't be too hard on Kurt and Mike. They're only doing what the Scientology
indoctrination says they should do in his indoctrination. If I make sure
they don't deviate from the indoctrinated path, it's because I'm one of the
finest products of the Scientology indoctrination myself.
Elliot Abelson
>All this mean to me is more work and more money. :)
>
>Eugene (Gene) Ingram, still a Private Investigator for Scientology after
>all these years . . .
>---
>"I'll put a bullet between your eyes." To Gerry Armstrong in 1984.
That's just what I thought you'd say.
Elliot Abelson
Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Famous...@artlover.com skrev:
> Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> > My name is Patty Pieniadz, I
>
> You are also Cerridwen, you fabricate stories, and you violate the
> privacy of Scientologists by posting longs lists with their names in
> hostile newsgroup as this to harass them.
>
> I don't believe your victim story at all.
>
> One day you might get sued.
>
> http://www.parishioners.org/extremists/pieniadzp01.html
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Patty PIeniadz <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote...
<snip>
> She was seemed a bit surprised by my answer and said, "well actually,
> no, that would be nice, but I am here to tell you that we know you are
> posting to the internet as Cerridwen and that we can't have you do
> that". She did not wait for a reply but instead just started what
> appeared to be a scripted talk about how she knows that I might have
> disagreements but she knows that I loved Scn as much as she does and
> she can't understand why I am doing this and if I continued posting to
> ars that she would be forced to apply the PL on handling critics.
>
> We talked for about 2 and a half hours and when I asked what proof she
> had to say that I was posting, she said that it was done through a
> process of elimination, whatever that means.
>
> I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
> posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
> years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends.
Nevertheless, this is a very nice giveaway on their part, a piece of
evidence that shows what a tiny little group Scientology really is. If they
really had millions of members, and even if one assumed an extremely low
percentage of "apostates", it would be completely impossible to try and
find out who an anonymous ex-member posting to ARS might be through any
"process of elimination". Such a thing is only possible if you're dealing
with very low numbers overall, and mere handfuls of identified "apostates".
Jommy Cross
<ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in msg <46m73cF...@individual.net>:
>She was seemed a bit surprised by my answer and said, "well actually,
>no, that would be nice, but I am here to tell you that we know you are
>posting to the internet as Cerridwen and that we can't have you do
>that". She did not wait for a reply but instead just started what
>appeared to be a scripted talk about how she knows that I might have
>disagreements but she knows that I loved Scn as much as she does and
>she can't understand why I am doing this and if I continued posting to
>ars that she would be forced to apply the PL on handling critics.
>
>We talked for about 2 and a half hours and when I asked what proof she
>had to say that I was posting, she said that it was done through a
>process of elimination, whatever that means.
>
>I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
>posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
>years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends.
>
Great to hear from you, Patty. Best of luck with this project!
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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>
>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
Welcome aboard Patty, the ride can be bumpy here on ARS but the hot
chocolate with marshmallows is heavenly.
You've quiet a story to tell.
--
Mike Gormez
- World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE) - www.stop-wise.biz
- www.whyaretheydead.net - Why Are They Dead, Scientology?
- Child abuse and neglect by scientologists www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
- www.psychassualt.org - Scientology hatred of mental health (CCHR)
Gerry Armstrong
<ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
Attorney Michael J. Flynn of Boston became Scientology's target in
1979, and its number one enemy by 1980. He remained the number one
target until the end of 1986.
Flynn was my attorney from early 1982, and I worked in Boston as a
paralegal in his firm in 1985 and 1986.
We were targets of both the GO and OSA.
What was your involvement in Boston against Flynn and me, or Flynn's
other Boston clients or connections?
Here's my Flynn section which documents fair game on him:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/scientology-fair-games-flynn.html
Do you know who from the Boston org was involved with the framing of
Flynn for the $2,000,000 Bank of New England check forgery fiasco?
Obviously from 1981 onward, Miscavige called all the shots and ran all
the ops on Flynn and me, employing both the GO and OSA, and many
evals/ops used personnel not based in Boston. But Boston org personnel
lent their names and organization to any fair game as directed. E.g.,
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/press-rls-1984-07-24.html
Do you know other people who knew what was going on in the Flynn
period?
Would you write a declaration that could be used to support an action
to legally restrain Scientology's victimization of people?
Dr. John G. Clark was also in the area in the 1970's and 1980's, at
Harvard and at McLean Hospital, and was a big target.
[Quote]
His criticism of the Church of Scientology led to two lawsuits being
filed against him by the group. Though the suits were eventually
dismissed, Dr. Clark in 1985 filed suit in US District Court against
L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the church, alleging a conspiracy to
“destroy” him through a series of threats, harassment, and false and
malicious accusations seeking revocation of his medical license and
hospital privileges. That suit was settled out of court.
[End Quote]
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_profile/clark_john.htm
Were you involved in or do you know about fair game on Jack Clark?
>
>It's nothing I am proud of, it's just information that I think should
>be made known.
I think that declarations or affidavits, as in statements sworn to
under penalty of perjury, are the next step. And not just for you, but
for everyone involved in the Scientology conflict. It is declarations
by people with experience and knowledge that will make all the
difference in the legal arena and all the way to the top of
government.
Declarations are your biggest protection and also the biggest
protection for your connections, while having the maximum positive
effect in the wog world's infrastructure. If you or anyone is willing
to write a declaration, contact me. I can help with laying out what's
needed in the broad war, and it would be an immediate help to me too
since I have the hot litigation with the cult right now.
#1-45950 Alexander Avenue
Chilliwack, B.C. V2P 1L5
Canada
604-703-1373
I read your Dunkin' Donuts post. With all due respect to the
gaslight's occultation, I'd offer the following:
[Quote]
I, Ala Fadili Al Tamimi, declare under the penalty of perjury and
under the law of the United States of America and under the laws of
the states of Massachussetts, New York, California, Florida, Oregon
and Nevada that the foregoing is true and correct.
[...]
A day or two later, xxxx called me in the early morning to set up a
meeting. I met him at 4:00 PM in "Dunkin' Donuts" close to Union
Wharf. xxxx gave me an envelope and told me it contained five checks.
He said he had just gotten the envelope and checks from Michael
Flynn. xxxx said I must return the checks back to him within four
days.
[...]
Two days later we all met as planned. xxxx brought me the checks back
along with a list of things he needed.
I had previously made plans to meet xxxx after the meeting with xxxx
and xxxxxxxxxx We met at the "Dunkin' Donuts" near Union Wharf about
6:00 AM. I explained to xxxx that the checks were not going to be
ready in one week but, would be ready in about three weeks because we
could not find the ink. I assured xxxx that the checks would be done
very well when completed. I told xxxx I was done with the five checks
and gave them back to him. I told him about the list of things my
printer needed. I gave him the list to show it to Michael Flynn. xxxx
asked me to meet him again in one hour at the same "Dunkin' Donuts".
xxxx walked to Union Wharf. I bought a newspaper from the newspaper
box machine. I did not leave "Dunkin' Donuts".
[...]
xxxx had been calling me every day but I never met with him because
the checks were not ready. Finally, I met xxxx during the afternoon in
the same "Dunkin' Donuts". I gave xxxxxx the checks and I asked him to
get me $15,000 that night.
Later, I met with xxxx again. xxxx had a big smile on his face. xxxx
said Michael Flynn loves the checks
[End Quote]
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/decl-ala-fadili-tamimi-1984-05-05.html
Okay, that has to put a big smile on everyone's face.
>
>I am an OT III that works in a donut shop.
I would really hope that you're real. I think that's what we're all
hoping for.
Cool.
>
>
>Patty Pieniadz
>
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Abby
Hi Patty. Just out of curiosity....since you're just now telling your
story, I'm wondering how you came to be on the RFW page. Do you know?
Interesting posts, and I'm glad you're speaking out.
Ed
OSA decided that Patty is Cerridwen. Cerridwen, as you
probably know, was/is one of the very biggest problems for OSA, since
they had to do thousands and thousands of hours of sec checks on every
last person who attended the big events that Cerridwen posted reports
on. As far as I know Patty neither confirms nor denies being
Cerridwen. (Either confirming it or denying it would make OSA's work
easier.) Of course OSA can't possibly mention the existence of
Cerridwen on their hate pages.
Someday (hopefully soon) when the evil cult has been opened up, maybe
the ARSCC(wdne) will reveal the story of how multiple infiltrators
were successfully planted among Flag public. A happy, sane and
knowledgeable person can get a F/N on an e-meter at will and with
thorough training and coaching can hide anything from OSA.
Ed
Android Cat
From the first post in the thread:
"I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends."
So unless Patty is The Cerridwen Pimpernel, that's out.
They seek her here, they seek her there
Those Culties seek her everywhere
Is she in heaven or is she in hell?
That demned elusive Cerridwen Pimpernel
She meddles with the Scientology evolution
Popping in and out each week
Spoiling every PR function
La, what cheek!
(No, evolution and function don't rhyme. Whoops.)
--
Ron of that ilk.
Zinj
@hotmail.com says...
<snip>
> From the first post in the thread:
> "I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
> posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
> years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends."
>
> So unless Patty is The Cerridwen Pimpernel, that's out.
'Why' do they do the things they do? :) Always a question, and many
times not one worth worrying about. 'Because' they're whack-jobs is a
good, blanket answer in a lot of cases.
Still, the Cerridwen=Patty gambit, while whacky, is relatively easy to
explain.
Obviously Cerridwen is a big downstat for OSA's 'security', what with
reporting on events and all, and, since Scientology Security Tech (like
all 'Tech') is infallible, the poor schlubs at OSA were under increasing
strain to 'make it go right' and identify her.
So, what the hell; they want identification? So Identify! Claim a win!
Put a name to the boogeyman and you control it! No more terror!
Finally, they could add Cerridwen/Patty to Religiousfreedumbwatch and
show uplines that they 'owned their hat'.
It didn't matter that it's a wrong 'identification'. All that mattered
was that it was there.
Of course, what to do when the *real* Patty shows up is something best
left unthought...
Zinj
--
Scientology: The Science of Believing Anything You Like
This is the 'Tech' This is the Session.
Dave Touretzky
We are all Cerridwen.
And our little dog, too.
-- Dave
Patty Pieniadz
<goo...@draemr.com> wrote in message
news:1141251669.9...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Patty,
>
> I too want to thank you and encourage you for coming *out* under your
> own name to reveal your own personal knowledge about the "church" of
> scientology.
>
> There is something very powerful and rewarding about standing up as
> yourself, testifying as to what you know to be true despite what slings
> and arrows may come.
>
> It communicates. It comes across so powerfully.
>
> And by contrast to the "PR" "acceptable truths" "shore stories" and
> "positioning" of those who still are under the sway of the "church", it
> reveals these as the "church's" cynical posturings and manipulative
> lying they are.
>
> Michael Leonard Tilse
>
Thanks Michael it feels good to speak up and not be afraid of them.
They use threats and fear to control people. It's awful and I contributed
to
that kind of stuff for to long. No more.
Patty
Hartley Patterson
> From the first post in the thread:
> "I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
> posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
> years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends."
I don't assume that anything Cerridwen says about herself is true, since
she is after all intentionally anonymous. She could for example be male,
and the person(s) attending CoS events need not be her.
If OSA is reduced to elimination as their means of identifying Cerridwen
then that suggests to me they will never find her, or any of the moles that
pass information out. Where did all the internal memos here
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/stolgy_20.htm
come from for example?
--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm
moontaco
Meet Cerri, who eats exotic meals from spicy shrimp to piccata veal,
But Patty loves her donut shop and filling up the coffee cups,
What a crazy pair!
They're apostates, suppressive apostates, all the way.
One set of matching SPs pursued by OSA.
While Cerridwen posts completion lists and reports on gala events,
Our Patty loves cinnamon rolls -- a cruller makes her lose control--
What a wild duet!
They're apostates, suppressive apostates, and you'll find
They joke alike, degrade alike, and they enturbulate alike
You can lose your mind when apostates are two of a kind!
Larry T.
news:1141485935....@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hi Patty. Just out of curiosity....since you're just now telling your
> story, I'm wondering how you came to be on the RFW page. Do you know?
>
>
> Interesting posts, and I'm glad you're speaking out.
>
Abby:
This is not an effort to answer for Patty but it is almost certain the
answer is {as it says on the RFW site} Patty got a page on the site because
she posts the names of Scientologists to the internet and by her doing so
those Scientologists have had crimes committed against them as a result that
were prejudiced in nature. Those crimes would never have been committed had
Patty not posted the names of the Scientologist vicitims to the web to a
hate newsgroup (A.R.S.) for "unstable people" to read and act on. For that
reason she is viewed as an anti religious extremist.
--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Larry
Bode Brausnan
> Abby wrote:
> > Hi Patty. Just out of curiosity....since you're just now telling your
> > story, I'm wondering how you came to be on the RFW page. Do you know?
> >
> > Interesting posts, and I'm glad you're speaking out.
> OSA decided that Patty is Cerridwen.
In that, OSA is 100% wrong. Cerridwen isn't even a woman; when he
writes about his "husband" he is actually writing about his wife,
etc. Since such obfuscation is standard policy for anonymous
writers, surely even OSA ought to know better by now.
Kim Palmer
> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 11:15:25 -0500, Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Abby wrote:
>
>>> Hi Patty. Just out of curiosity....since you're just now telling your
>>> story, I'm wondering how you came to be on the RFW page. Do you know?
>>>
>>> Interesting posts, and I'm glad you're speaking out.
>
>> OSA decided that Patty is Cerridwen.
>
> In that, OSA is 100% wrong. Cerridwen isn't even a woman; when he
> writes about his "husband" he is actually writing about his wife,
> etc. Since such obfuscation is standard policy for anonymous
> writers, surely even OSA ought to know better by now.
>
Unless of course s/he knows this and is really a woman but wants us to
think she is a man with a wife not a husband in which case OSA is more
confused than ever ;-)
Kim P
banchukita
moontaco, you made me bathe my sinuses in iced tea!
I laughed so hard! And now I can't get the song out of my mind.
I'm mildly curious if Patty and Cerridwen are related. But it really
doesn't matter right now. What matters is that information once hidden
is being made available, so people can have a real choice about what
they want to commit their time and energies to support.
-maggie, human being
Android Cat
> Bode Brausnan wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 11:15:25 -0500, Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OSA decided that Patty is Cerridwen.
>>
>> In that, OSA is 100% wrong. Cerridwen isn't even a woman; when he
>> writes about his "husband" he is actually writing about his wife,
>> etc. Since such obfuscation is standard policy for anonymous
>> writers, surely even OSA ought to know better by now.
>
> Unless of course s/he knows this and is really a woman but wants us to
> think she is a man with a wife not a husband in which case OSA is more
> confused than ever ;-)
Man in Black: All right. Where is Cerridwen? The battle of wits has begun.
It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and
who is dead.
Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of
you: are you the sort of man who would put the Cerridwen into his own goblet
or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the Cerridwen into his own
goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he
was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in
front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have
counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
Vizzini: Not remotely. Because entheta comes from Australia, as everyone
knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are
used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can
clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black: Australia.
Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the
powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant,
which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the Cerridwen
in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly
not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard,
which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned
that man is mortal, so you would have put the Cerridwen as far from yourself
as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't
work.
Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE Cerridwen
IS!
Man in Black: Then make your choice.
Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
Vizzini: [Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks.
Vizzini swaps the goblets]
Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.First, let's
drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.
Man in Black, Vizzini: [they drink ]
Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched
glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one
of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war
in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a
Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha! Ha ha ha -
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, and falls dead to the right]
Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was Cerridwen.
Man in Black: They were both Cerridwen. I spent the last few years building
up an immunity to entheta powder.
moontaco
> moontaco wrote:
> > Dave Touretzky wrote:
> > > In article <4409BD1D...@aol.com>, Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OSA decided that Patty is Cerridwen.
> > >
> > > We are all Cerridwen.
> > >
> > > And our little dog, too.
> > >
> > > -- Dave
> >
> > Meet Cerri, who eats exotic meals from spicy shrimp to piccata veal,
> > But Patty loves her donut shop and filling up the coffee cups,
> > What a crazy pair!
> > They're apostates, suppressive apostates, all the way.
> > One set of matching SPs pursued by OSA.
> > While Cerridwen posts completion lists and reports on gala events,
> > Our Patty loves cinnamon rolls -- a cruller makes her lose control--
> > What a wild duet!
> > They're apostates, suppressive apostates, and you'll find
> > They joke alike, degrade alike, and they enturbulate alike
> > You can lose your mind when apostates are two of a kind!
>
> moontaco, you made me bathe my sinuses in iced tea!
>
> I laughed so hard! And now I can't get the song out of my mind.
Cool! That makes today a win for me! ;-)
mt
Fredric L. Rice
>"On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:22:23 -0500, "Patty PIeniadz"
><ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in <46m73cF...@individual.net>:
>>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>Welcome aboard Patty, the ride can be bumpy here on ARS but the hot
>chocolate with marshmallows is heavenly.
<smile> Naw, it's all bunnies and light here in a.r.s, Patty. }:-}
---
http://www.rightard.org/ -- Impregnate Republican's daughters
Andrew Robertson
"Bode Brausnan" <BodeBr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4409...@news2.lightlink.com...
> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 11:15:25 -0500, Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> OSA decided that Patty is Cerridwen.
> In that, OSA is 100% wrong. Cerridwen isn't even a woman; when he
> writes about his "husband" he is actually writing about his wife,
> etc. Since such obfuscation is standard policy for anonymous
> writers, surely even OSA ought to know better by now.
Such is the acuity of 'Truth Seeker', that he alone, of all the critics knew
this, as long ago as 14 Sep 2003. In:
Message-ID: <ccf7a039.03091...@posting.google.com>
in typically elegant yet robust prose in reply to Cerridwen, Mr T wrote:
" Did the little baby get scared by Truth Seekers words? Why don't
you act like you have a pair between your legs. That's what's wrong
with you Scientologist "men", you let your women run you around until
you are just a bunch of little womenly pussy's yourselfs. BooHoo
BoooHooo BoooHoooweee, you little cry babies. Why don't you stop
crying for your mommy's you faggot pussies and act like men."
At the time I thought he was merely an illiterate idiot with no grounding in
Celtic myth. But perhaps he was just pretending to be stupid, a skill he's
since honed to perfection.
Andrew
Cerridwn
ROFL
Cerridwn
barbz
Moontaco beware...me and Maggie will GET you! ;)
--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.
$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser
moontaco
Yikes!
It just occurred to me that I might be pronouncing apostates wrong. If
I am, the song doesn't really work right. Is it a-POS-tates or
AP-os-tates?
mt
Cerridwen
Hey!
If you are going to forge my name please spell it correctly!
Cerridwen
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com
"Any group arrogant enough to believe it has the *exclusive* ability to
'Save The Planet' will inevitably conclude that any crimes are justified in
pursuit of its `higher purpose.'" -Ed Wolfe
banchukita
I always thought it was a-POS-tates. Every syllable fits to me!
-maggie, human being