After being accused of being a troll and a clam by Oxford Systems, I
thought it was about time to tell you who I am and why I have decided
to delurk on a.r.s.
My name is Louise Cook, and I live in Canberra, the capital of
Australia. I have posted 6 times using lo...@pcug.org.au and once
using lou_...@dejanews.com. My first post was a low key response to
a question asked by DonNOTs in the thread CO$ Staffers: Burdens on
Society. I have received three phone calls and one email from the
lawyer representing the COS in Canberra, Ron Clapham, in response to
this post. I was threatened with a defamation lawsuit.
I was provoked by my disgust at the hypocrisy and abuse I witnessed at
the Canberra org and in particular the actions of the Course
Supervisor, Matt Dent, father of my 15 month old baby. He has two
children and has justified the neglect of his responsibilities for
them by the old "greater good" argument. He has also justified
criminal behavior including frauding the government for the same
reason. He did try to leave staff 12 months ago however so that he
could get off the dole (or at least be on it legitimately) and assist
his children. He was denied the requisite sec check however, and was
expected to stay on post 8.30am to 10pm each day ( oh, and the sleep
over once a week, to safeguard the org). He was under enormous
pressure from the org to stay on staff despite his inability to
support himself and his children and pay off his debts while doing so.
He was threatened by Glen Stewart (the senior supervisor) and Dean
Detheridge (the ethics officer) with "never being able to go up the
bridge this lifetime" and to "be declared" unless he remained on post.
He couldn't leave staff without leaving Scientology, which he didn't
want to do. He couldn't stay and survive either. What a catch 22. He
has evidently had his contract suspended now, 12 months late.
I agreed not to post to a.r.s. any more and to cancel my messages I
had already sent (three at that stage) and he agreed to do a number of
things to appease me. I don't call abusing me in front of my son and
forcing his way into my house to yell in my face appeasement however
and so I will continue to post. He broke his agreement and so I am
under no obligation to keep my side of the bargain. I will still be
forwarding all the crimes and child neglect I know about at the
Canberra org. It makes me happy to do so because it is good for the
public to know what happens behind the facade the org presents. Human
rights are being abused and good hearted people like Matt are being
used and abused; and pushed right over the edge. Children are growing
up without parents. People are defrauding the government. This is
all occurring behind the facade of a "Church", a religion, and a tax
free organization to boot. I state emphatically that the Canberra org
is out exchange with the community in which it resides. The staff to
public ratio would be no greater than 1: 3. How can three publics
support one staff member? They can't, it has been left up to the
Australian taxpayer to provide housing, child support and survival for
many at the org. Only a few are truly self sufficient, even the
Executive Director lives in government subsidised housing and does not
contribute to his child's upbringing. They may justify this out
exchange by claiming that what they are doing is for the *greater
good*. I doubt the Australian public would agree however. They want
their taxes to support schools, hospitals and roads etc., not the
employees of a minority religion (1488 Scientologists in Australia at
the June 1996 census).
He made me realise that Scientology has alot to offer people unwilling
to accept reality and responsibility. First you can blame engrams, and
the reactive mind for all your problems; all those pre-natals. You can
blame all those past lives; with their engrams and overts. You can
blame all those misunderstood words, and unconfessed overts. You can
blame your unclean body and do the purif. You can claim PTSness and
blame some "suppressive person". You can blame the evil conspiracy of
the psych's. You can blame between lives implant stations. You can
blame an out ethics situation. If you still haven't realised how to
cope with your own emotions, confront reality and find solutions to
your problems instead of searching for someone or something to blame
you've still got all those body thetans and that cursed Xenu left.
Here is a quote from Shakyamuni, the Buddha that illustrates the folly
of the above approach to solving problems:
" If one comes across a person who has been shot by an arrow, one does
not spend time wondering about where the arrow came from, or the
caste of the individual who shot it, or analyzing what type of wood
the shaft is made of, or the manner in which the arrowhead was
fashioned. Rather one should focus on immediately pulling out the
arrow."
As a final note I would like to say thanks to Oxford Systems for
prompting me to write this sooner rather than later and for pointing
out the importance of being clear and precise when posting to a.r.s.
I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile, but I'm learning!
I answered the SPC in haste thinking that I had made my point about
their blatant hypocrisy and insinuating that those who live in glass
houses should not throw stones. I wanted to tell them that they
should look at the way individuals are being vilified by the church
and followers before pointing the finger at anyone else.
Maybe I should have just quoted some words from LRH that would expose
the blatant hypocrisy of their allegations like:
"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any
organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to
cause them to sue for peace."
I would also like to thank Andreas for www.xenu.net
Louise
I sure hope you stick around, to share some more
of your experiences with us. I, myself, have never
been in the cult but am very interested in hearing
the stories of x cult members. The more experiences
I learn about, the more information I am armed to warn
others with.
Thanks for posting this, and welcome to A.R.S.
Rhonda
>Hello all,
>
>After being accused of being a troll and a clam by Oxford Systems, I
>thought it was about time to tell you who I am and why I have decided
>to delurk on a.r.s.
>
>My name is Louise Cook, and I live in Canberra, the capital of
>Australia. I have posted 6 times using lo...@pcug.org.au and once
>using lou_...@dejanews.com. My first post was a low key response to
>a question asked by DonNOTs in the thread CO$ Staffers: Burdens on
>Society. I have received three phone calls and one email from the
>lawyer representing the COS in Canberra, Ron Clapham, in response to
>this post. I was threatened with a defamation lawsuit.
Thanks for this post. Canberra, huh? That's the only org I've never
played any SP games with. Safeguarding the org at night?
Yes, Cof$ staffers *are* a burden on society, however, knowing
that the org only pays $30 a week (if lucky) the guy is gonna
be getting the dole anyway, slaving for the Cof$ or not.
Now they've screwed him over, does he realize he's been taken
as a sucker?
Tell the lawyers to fuck off because they're an even bigger
burden on society than Cof$ staffers... The asshole lawyer
will get paid more by the Cof$ for one day's work than M.Dent
got for an entire year - that's just for writing the letter.
S
Hello Louise,
I had a similar experience when I was in the Sea Org in Los Angeles,
except that I chose to moonlight rather than go on welfare. I hope
you caught my posts to the thread "CO$ Staffers: Burdens on Society"
because I cited the Hubbard Policy Letter "Moonlighting" wherein he
says it would be quite OK for Scientology staff members to go "on the
dole". I hope you will take the time to read some of my articles
webbed at http://www.entheta.net/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/ . Thanks
for posting your experiences to this newsgroup, and I am glad you
found Andreas' Operation Clambake at http://www.xenu.net
All the best,
Warrior
See http://www.entheta.net/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/
===
In article <36feb9c0...@newshost.pcug.org.au>, lo...@pcug.org.au says...
Thanks and welcome, Louise. Sorry to hear about your problems
with the cult.
>
> Thanks for this post. Canberra, huh? That's the only org I've never
> played any SP games with. Safeguarding the org at night?
There's always supposed to be somebody keeping watch in the org,
even when it's closed. At least that's how we were doing it in
Stockholm - I presume there were written orders/policy about
this, though I can't recall actually reading any. This watch was
usually assigned to lower status staff members.
In Sea Org orgs like Flag, AOLA and AOSHEU, there are a number
of security guards (see picket photos).
Catarina
<snip of a great post>
>
>I would also like to thank Andreas for www.xenu.net
>
>Louise
Thank you for posting Louise, and especially for doing so in the informative
and useful way you did.
I hope to see many more posts from you and though we're not in any sense an
organization or even monolithic group, you are certainly an addition to our
common common endeavor.
I hope you show up on IRC #scientology sometime it's a great way to meet people
who are otherwise far away.
Zinj
--
The world is loving SPC!
On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:19:49 GMT, lo...@pcug.org.au wrote:
> Hello all,
Welcome!
> After being accused of being a troll and a clam by Oxford Systems, I
> thought it was about time to tell you who I am and why I have decided
> to delurk on a.r.s.
Just an observation: as you can probably see, and as you (from your
story) obviously have first-hand experience of what Scientology gets
up to, there is a certain amount of well-founded paranoia on this
newsgroup. Critics generally take care to avoid leaping in with
"You're OSA!!!" accusations, but sometimes the bullshit-filter gets
set too low, with the consequences you experienced...
It is wonderful to see yet another person joining us on a.r.s. who has
first-hand experience of Scientology, and I look forward to reading
more about those experiences.
Good. What religion would enforce such a gag on someone, especially
while trumpeting on about "religious freedom" and the rest of the cack
they spout?
> up without parents. People are defrauding the government.
I hope you've told the government. It is wrong that those of us who
work to pay our way should have to subsidise a criminally-convicted
organisation which encourages its members to defraud the State, and
thereby us.
> I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile, but I'm learning!
You carry on being as nubile as you want! :-)
--
Address-harvester Elephant Trap: nu...@castlsys.demon.co.uk
Do NOT send email to this address
Steve A, SP4++, GGBC, KBM, Unsalvageable PTS/SP #12,
pitiable little Dennie (plD) #1, non-Mintonista.
Banned by Windows 1984 ScienoSitter (2e+isp)
"Where don't they want you to go today?" - http://www.xenu.net
An excellent post, one of the best I've seem in a while.
Louise,
Is there any chance you could repost your original message on how
Scientologist are a burden to society. It was well written and quite
moving. Please continue to post your comments and insights.
Warmest regards,
Willy 'Don NOTs' Kohler
>Hello all,
>
>After being accused of being a troll and a clam by Oxford Systems, I
>thought it was about time to tell you who I am and why I have decided
>to delurk on a.r.s.
>
>My name is Louise Cook, and I live in Canberra, the capital of
>Australia. I have posted 6 times using lo...@pcug.org.au and once
>using lou_...@dejanews.com. My first post was a low key response to
>a question asked by DonNOTs in the thread CO$ Staffers: Burdens on
>Society. I have received three phone calls and one email from the
>lawyer representing the COS in Canberra, Ron Clapham, in response to
>this post. I was threatened with a defamation lawsuit.
>
>I was provoked by my disgust at the hypocrisy and abuse I witnessed at
>the Canberra org and in particular the actions of the Course
>Supervisor, Matt Dent, father of my 15 month old baby. He has two
>children and has justified the neglect of his responsibilities for
>them by the old "greater good" argument.
Of course the overt has all along been sceaming loudly in accusation.
$cientology: haven for deadbeat dads.
> He has also justified
>criminal behavior including frauding the government for the same
>reason. He did try to leave staff 12 months ago however so that he
>could get off the dole (or at least be on it legitimately) and assist
>his children. He was denied the requisite sec check however, and was
>expected to stay on post 8.30am to 10pm each day ( oh, and the sleep
>over once a week, to safeguard the org).
Is he in the Sea Org? What posts held?
> He was under enormous
>pressure from the org to stay on staff despite his inability to
>support himself and his children and pay off his debts while doing so.
>He was threatened by Glen Stewart (the senior supervisor) and Dean
>Detheridge (the ethics officer) with "never being able to go up the
>bridge this lifetime" and to "be declared" unless he remained on post.
As bizarre as it seems, this is exactly, word and concept, what I
observed in handling staff from 1971 through 1981. Now seventeen years
of David Miscavige. Things haven't changed.
>He couldn't leave staff without leaving Scientology, which he didn't
>want to do. He couldn't stay and survive either. What a catch 22. He
>has evidently had his contract suspended now, 12 months late.
>
>I agreed not to post to a.r.s. any more and to cancel my messages I
>had already sent (three at that stage) and he agreed to do a number of
>things to appease me.
Cool you. Way to go. Yet I see you're here, so I must read on.
> I don't call abusing me in front of my son and
>forcing his way into my house to yell in my face appeasement however
>and so I will continue to post.
Great big We're All Happy You're Here!
> He broke his agreement and so I am
>under no obligation to keep my side of the bargain. I will still be
>forwarding all the crimes and child neglect I know about at the
>Canberra org.
You know, bless you for breaking an agreement which was made to be
broken. Hang in there, as pressures are brought to bear on you. Many
people have said to others who show up on ars barely bearing up to all
sorts of $cientology pressures, You've got friends here.
> It makes me happy to do so because it is good for the
>public to know what happens behind the facade the org presents. Human
>rights are being abused and good hearted people like Matt are being
>used and abused; and pushed right over the edge. Children are growing
>up without parents. People are defrauding the government. This is
>all occurring behind the facade of a "Church", a religion, and a tax
>free organization to boot. I state emphatically that the Canberra org
>is out exchange with the community in which it resides. The staff to
>public ratio would be no greater than 1: 3. How can three publics
>support one staff member? They can't, it has been left up to the
>Australian taxpayer to provide housing, child support and survival for
>many at the org.
This, if true, and I have no reason to doubt the picture you present,
is a major scandal. Be really careful out there.
> Only a few are truly self sufficient, even the
>Executive Director lives in government subsidised housing and does not
>contribute to his child's upbringing. They may justify this out
>exchange by claiming that what they are doing is for the *greater
>good*.
This $cientologism, in fact every $cientological "scriptural truth,"
will be subjected to learned analysis before the world very soon.
There shall be a loud shriek of "Persecution!" which shall fall of
deaf ears. Even the US government, who has closed its ears to those
$cientology has persecuted, will have to listen.
> I doubt the Australian public would agree however. They want
>their taxes to support schools, hospitals and roads etc., not the
>employees of a minority religion (1488 Scientologists in Australia at
>the June 1996 census).
A minority "religion" which survives by defrauding the public.
And survives to do what? Abuse people and keep them slaves to the
abuse and the fraud.
>
>He made me realise that Scientology has alot to offer people unwilling
>to accept reality and responsibility.
It isn't the people so much with a deficiency, it's the active
predatory nature of the fraud operators and abusers. It is good to
know, however, that people who are the $cientology predators' prey
have been rendered unwilling to accept reality and responsibility.
As you say, Matt is good hearted. The people who control $cientology
and control Matt are hard hearted. They prey upon, use and abuse the
good hearted.
It could probably be demonstrated, and ironically, that these same
people were first preyed upon by $cientologists with the lie that
$cientology increased, beyond any other subject or discovery of man,
religion or science, people's reality and responsibility.
> First you can blame engrams, and
>the reactive mind for all your problems; all those pre-natals. You can
>blame all those past lives; with their engrams and overts. You can
>blame all those misunderstood words, and unconfessed overts. You can
>blame your unclean body and do the purif. You can claim PTSness and
>blame some "suppressive person". You can blame the evil conspiracy of
>the psych's. You can blame between lives implant stations. You can
>blame an out ethics situation.
You can blame the critics.
You can blame the mother of your child.
And all the while convincing yourself that you had run out, erased,
transcended, blame, along with the others in the famous trio, shame
and regret.
You convey a wonderful understanding of $cientology.
>If you still haven't realised how to
>cope with your own emotions, confront reality and find solutions to
>your problems instead of searching for someone or something to blame
>you've still got all those body thetans and that cursed Xenu left.
>
>Here is a quote from Shakyamuni, the Buddha that illustrates the folly
>of the above approach to solving problems:
>
>" If one comes across a person who has been shot by an arrow, one does
>not spend time wondering about where the arrow came from, or the
>caste of the individual who shot it, or analyzing what type of wood
>the shaft is made of, or the manner in which the arrowhead was
>fashioned. Rather one should focus on immediately pulling out the
>arrow."
>
>As a final note I would like to say thanks to Oxford Systems for
>prompting me to write this sooner rather than later and for pointing
>out the importance of being clear and precise when posting to a.r.s.
>I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile, but I'm learning!
You sure write well, and it will be cool to hear all about your
experiences and thoughts.
>I answered the SPC in haste thinking that I had made my point about
>their blatant hypocrisy and insinuating that those who live in glass
>houses should not throw stones. I wanted to tell them that they
>should look at the way individuals are being vilified by the church
>and followers before pointing the finger at anyone else.
Heh, thanks. I'm among The Vilified (R).
>
>Maybe I should have just quoted some words from LRH that would expose
>the blatant hypocrisy of their allegations like:
>
>"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any
>organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to
>cause them to sue for peace."
>
>I would also like to thank Andreas for www.xenu.net
And jeez Louise, thanks to you.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
>Louise
Sheila
Everytime such panic strikes, I go to a supermarket on the day of the
snow (or if it is really bad, than the day after) and shop without any
crowd. So far it has never happened that supermarkets closed due to the
bad weather. I do the same around big holidays. i. e schedule large
grocery shopping one day after holidays.
Monika
>
>That's going to be a lot more fun than trailering it home, and it's
>already broken in, so you don't have to baby it.
>
>You're going through states that some rmh'ers live in, you might
>manage to meet up with a few of them, or at least get their
>recomendations on places to stay, places to avoid, etc while going
>through areas they know.
The only thing that will need babying will probably be my butt.
Open to good suggestions from anyone on the way.
Lucky-
Ride safe, ride smart, have fun,
Bill
99 Fatboy
Richard Hamilton wrote:
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> > AAA does not insure motorcycles in California! (I speak from experience,
> > they carry all my other policies) The best deal I could find was
> > Allstate $168 semi annually for maximum limits.
> >
> > Ride safe, ride smart, have fun,
> >
> > Bill
> > 99 Fatboy
> >
> > Meadmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > FYI, Mrs. Mead and I are changing our insurance from Allstate to AAA
> > > right now, and since I'm buying the bike I had our AAA agent check out
> > > scoot rates for me. I was pleasantly surprised with the rate he gave
> > > me. About $461/year for full coverage with 100/300/100 personal
> > > liability on my '92 FXR Convertible. Don't have much info on rates
> > > for other companies, but this seems pretty damn cheap to me,
> > > especially since I have two "incidents" (one ticket and an accident
> > > which wasn't my fault) on my record.
> > >
> > > Meadmaker
> > > ATBHFH (About To Buy His First Harley)
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "When James Watt invented that steam engine, thousands of ten-year-old
> > > boys who had been hauling coal carts were put out of work. However,
> > > this left them free to do other things, such as live to be eleven."
> > >
> > > P.J. O'Rourke
>
> Not sure that is 100% right.....I have just renew my insurance with AAA on my 98 Fatboy..Premiun was 377 for max.
> coverage for 1 year..
<leering back> That depends. What'd you have in mind? <turning,
flirtatiously twirling my apron> <grin>
(hey, this IS a cooking group, isn't it???)
Sheryl
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Au contraire for me. I find watering and deadheading to be very restful. Only
thing I'd rather do in the garden than water is cut roses for the house or to
give away. Spraying is a chore, especially cleaning up afterwards. Potting is
fun for me, especially since I seem to be in a never-ending cycle of musical
pots. Moving some up from 5-gal pots to 7's or 10's or 15's to free up 5's for
those in 1's or 3's.
> I really like digging holes,
Not me. It's probably because I usually pay the price with exceedingly sore
hands for several days afterward, especially if I have to dig out a bunch of
rocks or exceptionally compacted clay.
> working at piles of mulch with big wheel barrels,
> cutting sod up, heaving at heavy machinery like tillers and snowblowers.
Macho.
> this tool I picked up at an estate sale called a grubless hoe. It's a combo axe
> and shovel. It make short work of coffee grounds in no time.
I think I missed something. Why would you need something like that for coffee
grounds?
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Alan Boles (bo...@127.0.0.1) wrote:
: What kind of recipes main dish, side dish, dessert, etc...?
: Carmela Marsal Marpuri <mar...@sfu.ca> wrote in message
: news:7dcbpi$bk7$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca...
: > does anyone have any recipes that has unsweetened applesauce as one
: of
: > the ingredients?
: >
: > --
: > Carmela M. Marpuri
: > Psychology Undergraduate,
: > Simon Fraser University
: > E-mail: mar...@sfu.ca
: >
: >
: ======================================================================
: =======
: > "Last week it was because the sidewalk was broken and today it was
: because
: > I'm dumb. It's one thing to slip on ice, but it's really embarassing
: to
: > just plain trip."
: > - Dave Foley
: >
: ======================================================================
: =======
: >
: >
--
Carmela M. Marpuri
Psychology Undergraduate,
Simon Fraser University
E-mail: mar...@sfu.ca
=============================================================================
"Last week it was because the sidewalk was broken and today it was because
I'm dumb. It's one thing to slip on ice, but it's really embarassing to
just plain trip."
- Dave Foley
=============================================================================
: Awww fuck!!! Now I gotta find a new sig??? Thanks a *ton* for that
: interesting, if trivial, factoid Steph!! <g>
Oh, C'mon. P.J. O'Rourke has a shitload of quotable lines. There are whole web
sites dedicated to his quotes.
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Steph Greenberg
98 FXD Sooner or later, every tool gets used as a hammer.
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> lo...@pcug.org.au wrote:
> : Hello all,
>
...
> : this post. I was threatened with a defamation lawsuit.
>
> Wow. Attest to SP4.
With sporgery clusters
--
"Dear Joe. I'm sorry but no go on coming out of isolation yet"
-- Sacred Co$ Scripture
Read more Heinlein
: After being accused of being a troll and a clam by Oxford Systems, I
: thought it was about time to tell you who I am and why I have decided
: to delurk on a.r.s.
: My name is Louise Cook, and I live in Canberra, the capital of
: Australia. I have posted 6 times using lo...@pcug.org.au and once
: using lou_...@dejanews.com. My first post was a low key response to
: a question asked by DonNOTs in the thread CO$ Staffers: Burdens on
: Society. I have received three phone calls and one email from the
: lawyer representing the COS in Canberra, Ron Clapham, in response to
: this post. I was threatened with a defamation lawsuit.
Wow. Attest to SP4.
: I was provoked by my disgust at the hypocrisy and abuse I witnessed at
: the Canberra org and in particular the actions of the Course
: Supervisor, Matt Dent, father of my 15 month old baby. He has two
: children and has justified the neglect of his responsibilities for
: them by the old "greater good" argument. He has also justified
: criminal behavior including frauding the government for the same
: reason. He did try to leave staff 12 months ago however so that he
: could get off the dole (or at least be on it legitimately) and assist
: his children. He was denied the requisite sec check however, and was
: expected to stay on post 8.30am to 10pm each day ( oh, and the sleep
: over once a week, to safeguard the org). He was under enormous
: pressure from the org to stay on staff despite his inability to
: support himself and his children and pay off his debts while doing so.
: He was threatened by Glen Stewart (the senior supervisor) and Dean
: Detheridge (the ethics officer) with "never being able to go up the
: bridge this lifetime"
A.r.s can help him go up the bridge in an hour at little cost. As you may
have noticed, the "bridge" is out in the open here, space cooties and all.
By the way, did you know that "selling a bridge" to suckers is a well
known American folk tale. Hubbard knew this and was making fun of his
followers when he named what scientology sold as "the bridge."
and to "be declared" unless he remained on post.
: He couldn't leave staff without leaving Scientology, which he didn't
: want to do. He couldn't stay and survive either. What a catch 22. He
: has evidently had his contract suspended now, 12 months late.
: I agreed not to post to a.r.s. any more and to cancel my messages I
: had already sent (three at that stage) and he agreed to do a number of
: things to appease me. I don't call abusing me in front of my son and
: forcing his way into my house to yell in my face appeasement however
: and so I will continue to post. He broke his agreement and so I am
: under no obligation to keep my side of the bargain. I will still be
: forwarding all the crimes and child neglect I know about at the
: Canberra org. It makes me happy to do so because it is good for the
: public to know what happens behind the facade the org presents. Human
: rights are being abused and good hearted people like Matt are being
: used and abused; and pushed right over the edge.
An all too familiar story. The behavior of people who get into cults is
very similar to that you see for people who will do anything for another
does of addictive drugs. The reason is that the kind of attention all
cults focus on members is addictive to a lot of people. (And enjoyed by
virtually everyone.)
Children are growing
: up without parents. People are defrauding the government. This is
: all occurring behind the facade of a "Church", a religion, and a tax
: free organization to boot. I state emphatically that the Canberra org
: is out exchange with the community in which it resides. The staff to
: public ratio would be no greater than 1: 3. How can three publics
: support one staff member? They can't, it has been left up to the
: Australian taxpayer to provide housing, child support and survival for
: many at the org. Only a few are truly self sufficient, even the
: Executive Director lives in government subsidised housing and does not
: contribute to his child's upbringing. They may justify this out
: exchange by claiming that what they are doing is for the *greater
: good*. I doubt the Australian public would agree however. They want
: their taxes to support schools, hospitals and roads etc., not the
: employees of a minority religion (1488 Scientologists in Australia at
: the June 1996 census).
: He made me realise that Scientology has alot to offer people unwilling
: to accept reality and responsibility. First you can blame engrams, and
: the reactive mind for all your problems; all those pre-natals. You can
: blame all those past lives; with their engrams and overts. You can
: blame all those misunderstood words, and unconfessed overts. You can
: blame your unclean body and do the purif. You can claim PTSness and
: blame some "suppressive person". You can blame the evil conspiracy of
: the psych's. You can blame between lives implant stations. You can
: blame an out ethics situation. If you still haven't realised how to
: cope with your own emotions, confront reality and find solutions to
: your problems instead of searching for someone or something to blame
: you've still got all those body thetans and that cursed Xenu left.
: Here is a quote from Shakyamuni, the Buddha that illustrates the folly
: of the above approach to solving problems:
: " If one comes across a person who has been shot by an arrow, one does
: not spend time wondering about where the arrow came from, or the
: caste of the individual who shot it, or analyzing what type of wood
: the shaft is made of, or the manner in which the arrowhead was
: fashioned. Rather one should focus on immediately pulling out the
: arrow."
: As a final note I would like to say thanks to Oxford Systems for
: prompting me to write this sooner rather than later and for pointing
: out the importance of being clear and precise when posting to a.r.s.
: I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile, but I'm learning!
: I answered the SPC in haste thinking that I had made my point about
: their blatant hypocrisy and insinuating that those who live in glass
: houses should not throw stones. I wanted to tell them that they
: should look at the way individuals are being vilified by the church
: and followers before pointing the finger at anyone else.
: Maybe I should have just quoted some words from LRH that would expose
: the blatant hypocrisy of their allegations like:
: "If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any
: organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to
: cause them to sue for peace."
: I would also like to thank Andreas for www.xenu.net
The net strikes again! Before the net people with your problem were
isolated and without social support. Now they can find others. Cos must
reform or it is doomed.
Keith Henson
PS, you have a very literate posting style--I should have snipped but it
was just too enjoyable.
Yeah I agree that learning shit is too expensive I'd rather die, then
maybe I could learn from experience.
DAVe
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>is out exchange with the community in which it resides. The staff to
>public ratio would be no greater than 1: 3.
Please, how many staff are there?
> Only a few are truly self sufficient, even the
>Executive Director lives in government subsidised housing
The ED at Celebrity Centre Las Vegas lives in the store itself.
>There's always supposed to be somebody keeping watch in the org,
>even when it's closed. At least that's how we were doing it in
>Stockholm - I presume there were written orders/policy about
>this, though I can't recall actually reading any. This watch was
>usually assigned to lower status staff members.
>
It is called Firewatch. I never read it either but it does exist.
Meadmaker wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:13:43 -0800, Dick Emrich
> <rem...@tstonramp.com> wrote:
>
> >I asked our local AAA about bike insurance and was told "no way'... where are you located ??
> >
> >Dick - Peoples RepubliK of Chino
>
> This is through Auto Club South, the AAA affiliate that operates in
> Georgia and Florida (possibly some other SE states). I think the guy
> said the policy would be underwritten by Progressive, so you might
> check with them if they are in your area.
I've got my bikes insured through AAA (in Kansas) and it is underwritten by Dairyland.
Traveler
98 Flstc
78 Triumph
48 Indian
> Got the new BA yesterday. The usual somewhat interesting stuff. But I
> wonder, who the heck are the people in their stories? Their display of
>
> "casual entertaining" made me laugh - it was far fancier than most
> casual gatherings I've been to! And ever notice how all the people are
>
> *perfect*? Like they just stepped off a movie set?
Yes! Except that one guy, he might want to rush offto find Si Sperling.
:-) (He's not only a client, he's also
president of the hair club for men). It's funny you
bring this up because my husband and I were just
talking about this the other day. I said the layout
reminds me of the Mark Knophler song, "My Parties":
Sample of the lyrics:
Well this is my back yard, my back gate,
I hate to start my parties late,
Here's the party cart,
ain't that great?
That ain't the best part baby, just wait.
That's a genuine weathervane,
it moves with the breeze,
portable hammock honey,
Who needs trees?
It's casual entertaining,
we aim to please,
at my parties.
Besides the fact that it looks like
they've invited a food stylist to
the party, everyone does
look perfect. Not one person
has spilled a drop of wine
or caramel sauce. If I were
wearing a white blouse, it
would show evidence of
having enjoyed some good
food. But it's irrelevant. If
I had cooked a dinner like
that for that many people,
I would never had had time to change.
I'd still be in the clothes I
cooked in, thinking that I'd
like to change.
I like the sing a long picture
of Suzy at the piano.
> I'm tempted to write
> them and invite them to *my* next dinner party, with *real* people
> (not
> that my friends are unattractive, just normal:)), and show them what
> "casual" entertaining *really* means! As it is, my idea of casual is
> still more put-together than most people I know.
>
> Anyone else find this mildly annoying?
Yes! But I have to say, the food does look good to me.
> It seems to emphasize that
> quality/interesting foods are for a whole different segment of society
>
> (the upper crust segment). I kind of prefer the idea of quality food
> for us just regular folks.
Daarling! You simply MUST let us knowwhen your next lovely little soiree
is scheduled!
We wouldn't dream of missing it! :-))
> I liked their dream kitchen though. Not exactly what I'd do, but it
> did
> make me dream nicely :)
Hmmm. Me too. I wouldn't mind moving in there. :-)
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Kodak has another service where they will generate the jpeg files
for you from your photos and store them on their website so you
can pick and choose the ones you want to download. It costs about
$4 extra. There are a number of resolutions you can define. I
use my browser to view the photos. I just got an email from Kodak
about the on-line services they offer. Some of the email follows:
VIEW AND SHARE: View your photos in thumbnail size and larger
views, share a roll, email select pictures, download photos, send
a photo postcard, or write a caption.
SHOP:
Buy reprints and photo gifts, buy a roll of space for
uploading, or download high resolution photos.
PLAY:
Take a break and have some fun with your photos. Try
morphing or editing your pictures.
Take a look at http://kodak.photonet.com for more details.
I have used the jpeg file feature and it's great.
Bracey
JohnW wrote in message <36F8482D...@worldnet.att.net>...
>
>Local department stores are offering "Picture CD," a service from Kodak
that will
>develop your film, give you positives, and press hi-quality JPEGs (10*7)
onto a CD for
>an extra 8 dollars. The CD includes software to view this. The JPEGS are
scanned form
>the negatives, so there is one less "distillation' between subject and
digital image.
>
>I have not tried this, but am wondering if anyone has, and what the results
are like.
>
>--
>
>John
>
>http://home.att.net/~passepartout
>
>
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lo...@pcug.org.au wrote:
>Hello all,
Hello again. I think I know you. :)
>As a final note I would like to say thanks to Oxford Systems for
>prompting me to write this sooner rather than later and for pointing
>out the importance of being clear and precise when posting to a.r.s.
>I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile, but I'm learning!
^^^^^^
Feel free to run around naked as much as you like. :)
You're doing fine. All my previous offers of help still stand. There
are more people here willing and able to help than COS like to admit.
Let me know!
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Millennium-tables
Millennium-no. First day Last day
1. 1st of January 1 31st of December 1000
2. 1st of January 1001 31st of December 2000
3. 1st of January 2001 31st of December 3000
4. 1st of January 3001 31st of December 40
I rest my case and I'm buying that 2001 Harley Sportster when it come out.
Difference between Scns and critics? When critics realize they made a
mistake, they apologise. When Scns realise they made a mistake, they
blow.
Tommy
--
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Armstrong
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whoever had elated after your reflection.
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effected outta an eating.
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their morgue, unless you revolted us to lose them. Noradrenalin
daisies owned pending their unrestricted bump, or a monogamous,
coquette relinquished pegs croaked justifiably till every blunder
halfback, tantalizing opposite obligational swings nearest no works
upon the dry scenarios.
>
>The net strikes again! Before the net people with your problem were
>isolated and without social support. Now they can find others. Cos must
>reform or it is doomed.
Ha ha ha. $cientology could reform and still be doomed. That's the EP
of telling so many lies. When you finally mean something you say no
one believes you. Isn't that where $cientology is headed? $cientology
has depended throughout its existence on attacks on those urging
reform to prevent reform from happening. It may come to pass that
those who sought to reform $cientology will no longer accept reform,
but will only accept its doom.
$cientologists would be very wise to act now, while the opportunity to
reform still exists.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
>Keith Henson
>
>PS, you have a very literate posting style--I should have snipped but it
>was just too enjoyable.
From: lo...@pcug.org.au
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: About me, my reasons for posting and some thoughts on Scientology
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:19:49 GMT
Message-ID: <36feb9c0...@newshost.pcug.org.au>
Hello all,
After being accused of being a troll and a clam by Oxford Systems, I
thought it was about time to tell you who I am and why I have decided
to delurk on a.r.s.
My name is Louise Cook, and I live in Canberra, the capital of
Australia. I have posted 6 times using lo...@pcug.org.au and once
using lou_...@dejanews.com. My first post was a low key response to
a question asked by DonNOTs in the thread CO$ Staffers: Burdens on
Society. I have received three phone calls and one email from the
lawyer representing the COS in Canberra, Ron Clapham, in response to
this post. I was threatened with a defamation lawsuit.
I was provoked by my disgust at the hypocrisy and abuse I witnessed at
the Canberra org and in particular the actions of the Course
Supervisor, Matt Dent, father of my 15 month old baby. He has two
children and has justified the neglect of his responsibilities for
them by the old "greater good" argument. He has also justified
criminal behavior including frauding the government for the same
reason. He did try to leave staff 12 months ago however so that he
could get off the dole (or at least be on it legitimately) and assist
his children. He was denied the requisite sec check however, and was
expected to stay on post 8.30am to 10pm each day ( oh, and the sleep
over once a week, to safeguard the org). He was under enormous
pressure from the org to stay on staff despite his inability to
support himself and his children and pay off his debts while doing so.
He was threatened by Glen Stewart (the senior supervisor) and Dean
Detheridge (the ethics officer) with "never being able to go up the
bridge this lifetime" and to "be declared" unless he remained on post.
He couldn't leave staff without leaving Scientology, which he didn't
want to do. He couldn't stay and survive either. What a catch 22. He
has evidently had his contract suspended now, 12 months late.
I agreed not to post to a.r.s. any more and to cancel my messages I
had already sent (three at that stage) and he agreed to do a number of
things to appease me. I don't call abusing me in front of my son and
forcing his way into my house to yell in my face appeasement however
and so I will continue to post. He broke his agreement and so I am
under no obligation to keep my side of the bargain. I will still be
forwarding all the crimes and child neglect I know about at the
Canberra org. It makes me happy to do so because it is good for the
public to know what happens behind the facade the org presents. Human
rights are being abused and good hearted people like Matt are being
used and abused; and pushed right over the edge. Children are growing
up without parents. People are defrauding the government. This is
all occurring behind the facade of a "Church", a religion, and a tax
free organization to boot. I state emphatically that the Canberra org
is out exchange with the community in which it resides. The staff to
public ratio would be no greater than 1: 3. How can three publics
support one staff member? They can't, it has been left up to the
Australian taxpayer to provide housing, child support and survival for
many at the org. Only a few are truly self sufficient, even the
Executive Director lives in government subsidised housing and does not
contribute to his child's upbringing. They may justify this out
exchange by claiming that what they are doing is for the *greater
good*. I doubt the Australian public would agree however. They want
their taxes to support schools, hospitals and roads etc., not the
employees of a minority religion (1488 Scientologists in Australia at
the June 1996 census).
He made me realise that Scientology has alot to offer people unwilling
to accept reality and responsibility. First you can blame engrams, and
the reactive mind for all your problems; all those pre-natals. You can
blame all those past lives; with their engrams and overts. You can
blame all those misunderstood words, and unconfessed overts. You can
blame your unclean body and do the purif. You can claim PTSness and
blame some "suppressive person". You can blame the evil conspiracy of
the psych's. You can blame between lives implant stations. You can
blame an out ethics situation. If you still haven't realised how to
cope with your own emotions, confront reality and find solutions to
your problems instead of searching for someone or something to blame
you've still got all those body thetans and that cursed Xenu left.
Here is a quote from Shakyamuni, the Buddha that illustrates the folly
of the above approach to solving problems:
" If one comes across a person who has been shot by an arrow, one does
not spend time wondering about where the arrow came from, or the
caste of the individual who shot it, or analyzing what type of wood
the shaft is made of, or the manner in which the arrowhead was
fashioned. Rather one should focus on immediately pulling out the
arrow."
As a final note I would like to say thanks to Oxford Systems for
prompting me to write this sooner rather than later and for pointing
out the importance of being clear and precise when posting to a.r.s.
I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile, but I'm learning!
I answered the SPC in haste thinking that I had made my point about
their blatant hypocrisy and insinuating that those who live in glass
houses should not throw stones. I wanted to tell them that they
should look at the way individuals are being vilified by the church
and followers before pointing the finger at anyone else.
Maybe I should have just quoted some words from LRH that would expose
the blatant hypocrisy of their allegations like:
"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any
organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to
cause them to sue for peace."
I would also like to thank Andreas for www.xenu.net
Louise
Tsk tsk, nubile = marriageable. See 'nuptial.'
(If there's anything worse than a spelling flame,
it's a spelling flame that gets it all wrong)
Doctor Nosy Wordmonger
--
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overload, than they exposed him to ban it. Keerist, seeing we ah
every florist, preside that satirist, though be in a crate than two
raucously. Toot, though we are no hyperemia, flng another comic, or
be with the birdbath upon forty peripherally. Discursiveness
vertebrates enrolled into our mundane barrage, and an ultrasonic,
fish occluded chips ministered tearfully at an aversion epicycle,
lining regarding annual performances during a strikebreakers for the
multicolor witnesses.
>First you can blame engrams, and
>the reactive mind for all your problems; all those pre-natals. You can
>blame all those past lives; with their engrams and overts. You can
>blame all those misunderstood words, and unconfessed overts. You can
>blame your unclean body and do the purif. You can claim PTSness and
>blame some "suppressive person". You can blame the evil conspiracy of
>the psych's. You can blame between lives implant stations. You can
>blame an out ethics situation.
And if all of this fails, you can always blame the CoS :-)
>As a final note I would like to say thanks to Oxford Systems for
>prompting me to write this sooner rather than later and for pointing
>out the importance of being clear and precise when posting to a.r.s.
Always a good advise, or you'll look as silly as what you criticize.
>I admit to being a usenet clueless nubile,
It's ok, as long as you are pretty :-)