Dear OT Ambassador and/or Home Solo NOTs Auditor,
Edwin Bickel
My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
groups. It took a number of years for me to realize that quite a few
alterations, deletions and additions have systematically taken place
over the years with what L. Ron Hubard had written and it does not
take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is being done from the
top down.
One of the most revealing pieces of L. Ron Hubbards works being
altered, deleted or added to is "The No-Interference Area Clarified
And Re-Enforced":
CS Series 73RA (12 pages)
which is now
CS Series 73RB (5 pages) Revised 2 August 1990
Golly gee, if L. Ron Hubbard passed away in 1986, who gave authority
for 7 pages to be removed? hummmmmmm
For those of you who have had trouble "Repairing Past Ethics
Conditions" it may be related to the deletion, alterations and
additions to this policy. This is "Repairing Past Ethics Conditions":
HCO PL 19 December 1982
and now
HCO PL 19 December 1982R Revised 2 June 1990.
Well if you review the above 2 references I think you will see my
point.
Another so called outpoint regarding this group are 2 OT Ambassadors,
OT8's, WISE Consultants & Executives at the Mace Kingsley Ranch in
Reserve New Mexico for troubled kids. That is Randy & Molly Baxter.
Well as I have tried over the years to collect on monies owed to me
and my family it has fallen on deaf ears to say the least. Now is
that any way for 2 high level representatives of Scientology to act.
This violates a number of precepts talked about in "The Way to
Happiness" as well. Is this the kind of example to be setting for the
kids at the rach? Now that I am no longer a member of Scientology I
can pursue legal action to recoup what is owed and that is in the
works. So the Baxter's affiliation with Scientology and why it has
taken so long for me to pursue a legal course of action will become
part of court records soon. The purchase of a Paso Fino horse by
Randy & Molly Baxter with monies from a business loan from my family
that were to go to Precision Resources that have not been paid back
will also be explained to the judge as well.
I am also confused about the IAS (International Association of
Scientologists) policy regarding refunds. I am a Sponsor of the IAS.
You can see my picture at:
Why can some people get a refund and others can't? I seem to fall
into the category of the cant's. As many of you may know I spent time
up in Tallahassee Florida at the state capitol displaying the Criminon
booth in the Rotunda during the first week of legislation over the
years. During that time I made many contacts with state reps and
congressmen. Well as I can't seem to get Lise Cohee of the IAS to
explain why some IAS refunds are given and some are'nt she leaves me
no choice but to pursue governmental assistance through resources at
the state capitol. I will be speaking of the International
Association of Scientologists as I seek assistance through resources
at the state capitol regarding the IAS and refunds.
Another matter that goes unanswered is trying to get off of
Scientology related mailing list(s). I have spent over 6 months
writting requests to be removed. This gets incredibly complex for
this group for some reason. Most businesses immediately grant
requests to be removed from their list. Seems like a simple request
to me? I seem to get off one list only to be mailed to by another.
Lately it has slowed down but given my past experiences I will more
than likely be re-added to the list(s) once "Central Addresso" does
updates. The following email I received tonight is a recent example
from one of the lists I have been trying to be removed from:
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To: <flagser...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Message from D/Captain Flag AO
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:16:01 -0500
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26 January 2002
Dear OT Ambassador and/or Home Solo NOTs Auditor,
The target date by which we want everybody at Flag is LRH's Birthday,
March 13th 2002. Below is the PT grid of where the majority of areas
stand. As you can see, whilst we have 3Xíd the numbers at Flag since
the issuance of IG Network Bulletin 44 WAKE-UP CALL, THE URGENCY OF
PLANETARY CLEARING, we still have a long way to go to actually double
the number on Solo NOTs.
When you think of what is at stake, there is absolutely nothing that
could
be more important for anybody than getting onto OT VII without any
added
time.
Thus everybodyís shoulder is needed. We need all OT Ambassadors and
current Solo NOTs Auditors pushing the OT IIIs, IVs, Vs and Solo NOTs
Certainty public to Flag on an immediate basis.
If not already, hook up with your nearest FSC and find out who they
need
help with.
Thank you for having done all you have in the past and thank you in
advance for all you will be doing to help us make this target by March
13th.
Best Wishes,
Clive Rabey
D/Captain Flag AO
AREA Auditing Target # COMPS # at Flag Total Balance TO
PT in
PT (Needed to Arrive
by March 13th 2002)
LA 442 442 50 55 105 337
ITL 137 137 23 6 29 108
SFO 60 60 6 12 18 42
EUS 183 183 6 11 17 166
DK 26 26 7 8 15 11
MUN 61 61 5 8 13 48
UK 69 69 2 11 13 56
CAN 28 28 0 9 9 19
ZRH 48 48 3 4 7 41
ANZO 31 31 2 5 7 24
SAC 19 19 2 5 7 12
HBG 21 21 1 4 5 16
OC 28 28 2 2 4 24
LATAM 39 39 1 3 4 35
LAU 12 12 1 2 3 9
SPAIN 9 9 0 1 1 8
AF 19 19 0 1 1 18
© 2002 CSFSO. All right reserved. OT, LRH, FLAG and SOLO NOTS are
trademarks and service marks owned by Religious Technology Center and
are
used with its permission. Services relating to Scientology religious
philosophy are delivered throughout the world exclusively by licensees
of
the Church of Scientology International with the permission of
Religious
Technology Center, holder of the SCIENTOLOGY and DIANETICS trademarks.
Well that is all for now and thanks for reading,
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
ebi...@cent.com
Roland
squirreling of the tech and tell them the examples you have found. It is
important for Scientologists within the Church to realise that this
squirreling is going on. I also hope you get your money back.
--
Clear Cognition: "I am mocking up my own reactive mind" ~$40,000
OT8 cognition: "Now I know who I am NOT and am interested in
finding out who I am" ~$300,000
"Edwin Bickel" <ebi...@cent.com> wrote in message
news:27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com...
ptsc
>CS Series 73RA (12 pages)
>which is now
>CS Series 73RB (5 pages) Revised 2 August 1990
>Golly gee, if L. Ron Hubbard passed away in 1986, who gave authority
>for 7 pages to be removed? hummmmmmm
I suggest you take a look at SPD 19, "The Integrity of Source."
Specifically this bit:
"No one except LRH can revise his issues whereby changes are
incorporated into the text and then reissued. Any valid revisions
must hereafter be made in a separate issue stating the change and how
the revision is to be read. It must also state why the change is
being effected, for example, if there has been an ecclesiastical
change or a technical development."
I think that will explain what happened--or at least, when it started.
Note the word "ecclesiastical" which started cropping up around the same time.
The SPD (Squirrel Policy Directive) was issued July 7, 1982 and signed
by the WDC. Effectively the WDC declared itself Source.
ptsc
Tilman Hausherr
<27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com>:
>
>My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
>member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
Welcome to the free world. There are two things I'd like to know:
1) How does the INCOMM system work, i.e. technical details. Is it
reliable? Are the software developers reliable people, or does the staff
change all the time? Does it crash often? And how did it handle the Y2K
problem?
2) I would like to know if there is any story behind this letter, i.e.
did you write it spontaneously because you're a SP TImes buyer, or was
it different?
Letters to the Editor
St. Petersburg Times
1/13/98
Investigate Clearwater police
I am a resident of Clearwater, YMCA youth counselor, Kiwanis Club
member and Scientologist. After reading a recent article regarding
Sid Klein and the Clearwater Police Department (17-year chief
builds life around work, Dec. 22) I find that what you report is a
lopsided account of what is occurring in Clearwater.
How about applying as much time to investigating the Police
Department as you have on Scientology and publish what you find?
Don't you find it interesting how many parking tickets and
speeding tickets are written as compared to the amount of drug
busts and drugs seized in Clearwater? Do a little investigating
and print the truth as to what you uncover. You may be surprised
at what you find, and that will be real news.
Edwin Bickel, Clearwater
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
Feisty
Welcome out.
The number of OT's in $cientology is directly related to
how a dead person's writings can change,
Therefore what is really written that ever made sense?
Feisty
Edwin Bickel <ebi...@cent.com> wrote in message
news:27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com...
Edwin Bickel
Thanks for your support,
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
"Roland" <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<WCN58.53216$ka7.8...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
Edwin Bickel
Thanks for your support as well.
>
> As the leading ARSCC IP tracer for mafia cultists, the above IP address
> is very good having, and will be cross references to the 50000 or so
> scientology/OSA articles I have in my database.
>
> If you have more E-mail headers like this, from the scientology cult,
> please feel free to forward them to me at this address:
> Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net (Yes despite looking odd, it is
> a real working E-mail addy)
I will pass along any I get.
>
> These headers if you have any, will come to good use when it comes to
> connecting the dots so to speak.
>
> PS. Welcome out from the cult, and welcome to A.R.S.
Thanks again and glad to be out!
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
>
> Sten-Arne
>
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> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientology brainwashing removes an individual's socialization and
> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
> - Longtime Critic: HR-De...@aol.com (Human Rights Defense
> (ShyDavid)) in Message-ID: <3c37c...@corp.newsgroups.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Edwin Bickel
That is an interesting SPD. Looks like they can't even follow the
policies they create.
Best regards,
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com> wrote in message news:<a00g5us2ss9qgdr9a...@4ax.com>...
kumbia
©Anti-PIP® - www.value.producers.earth.make.pipsqueeks.peep
Zonpower and Salvador Dali's "Last Supper"
One of the most breathtaking paintings of any age is Salvador Dali's "Last
Supper". And, as many
Objectivists know, that painting was one of Ayn Rand's favorites. Jesus
appears indescribably
beautiful, innocent, and benevolent. He appears as the Chairman presiding
over a Universe-500
board meeting. Notice even the neatly cropped, modern New York executive
haircuts of the
Apostles. Dali delivered a radical presentation of Christ never before seen
among the thousands
of holy paintings by hundreds of master artists over the millennium.
Imagine this crystal-clear painting being cast as a giant,
ten-thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle. Now,
imagine a dishonest blowhard, journalist, or nihilist -- a pip -- plucking a
piece, any piece, or a
handful of pieces, from that painting. Then imagine that pip waving those
pieces before a public
who had never before seen the whole picture of that masterpiece. Using glib
words and dishonest
non sequiturs, that pip harangues his audience: In tearing down the great
value of Dali and his
masterpiece, that pip captures an unearned ego trip.
The pip simply needs to hold up the piece or pieces of the puzzle ripped
from the total picture
and loudly proclaim: "Look at this Dali-crap! It's valued only by
Dali-kooks. This proves that
Daliism is new-age cult stuff, pseudo art, a sham", the pip blusters. The
attacking pip then swells
up with feel-big ego for publicly, effortlessly exposing the Dali "fraud".
Through his unjust
no-effort attack, the pip feels superior to the lifetime hard efforts
produced by Dali.
Those who had never seen Dali's complete painting could not know that the
facts were the
opposite to the non sequiturs being dishonestly pronounced. How could they
know that the
exposing "hero" was really a nothingness fraud while the exposed "fraud" was
a beautiful gem?
In the same way, pips throughout the establishment constantly tear down Ayn
Rand and her
work. Likewise, in that same way, pips have often torn down, even killed or
destroyed, the most
radical yet greatest of civilization-benefiting value producers throughout
history -- Socrates,
Galileo, Michael Milken.
©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2002 23:47:00 -0800.
> In Message-ID: <27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com>
> From: ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel).
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/.
> Wrote on the subject: Dear OT Ambassador and/or Home Solo NOTs Auditor,:
>
> >Hello to all,
>
> Thanks for your article. I'll snip down to the specific part which is
> highly interesting for me:
>
> >The following email I received tonight is a recent example
> >from one of the lists I have been trying to be removed from:
> >
> >Received: from [207.217.120.123] by sun2.sunworks.com (NTMail
> >5.05.0002/CS7444.11.6f28be5a) with ESMTP id njirfaaa for
> >ebi...@cent.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:41:28 -0500
> >Received: from 1cust138.tnt3.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net ([63.23.192.138]
> >helo=EMAIL)
>
> As the leading ARSCC IP tracer for mafia cultists, the above IP address
> is very good having, and will be cross references to the 50000 or so
> scientology/OSA articles I have in my database.
>
> If you have more E-mail headers like this, from the scientology cult,
> please feel free to forward them to me at this address:
> Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net (Yes despite looking odd, it is
> a real working E-mail addy)
>
> These headers if you have any, will come to good use when it comes to
> connecting the dots so to speak.
>
> PS. Welcome out from the cult, and welcome to A.R.S.
>
> Sten-Arne
>
> > by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1)
> > id 16VnEp-0002wj-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:24:52 -0800
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> >To: <flagser...@earthlink.net>
> >Subject: Message from D/Captain Flag AO
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:16:01 -0500
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> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientology brainwashing removes an individual's socialization and
> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
> - Longtime Critic: HR-De...@aol.com (Human Rights Defense
> (ShyDavid)) in Message-ID: <3c37c...@corp.newsgroups.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ******* Body thetans? We don't need no stinking Body Thetans! *******
> *********** http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/index.htm ************
> IRC #Scientology JavaChat http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/irc.html
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Where does PIP-POOP go? @Reverend Frederic Rice's SKEPTIC TANK! btw,
Fredric's mother probably deserves LOVE...
Ted Mayett
Zinj
may...@skylink.net says...
> HAH! They lose another good one.
>
More like: If you're a 'Good One' the internal inconsistencies of
Hubbardism will eventually drive you into the cognitive dissonance of
deciding which of Hubbard's insanities you will 'pick and choose'.
That may not be sanity, but it's a hell of a lot better than accepting
'Real-Existing-Scientology' as being the outgrowth of Hubbard's own work,
therefore infallible and therefore requiring your silent aquiescence to
David Miscavige as the prophet he *allowed* if not appointed.
Zinj
Phil Scott
>HAH! They lose another good one.
just so you know ted, a lot these posts dont propagate, and some of us only see
the followups...if you snip the original content then we dont have a clue just
looking at yer response.
Phil Scott
Michael 'Mike' Gormez - www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote:
>Hello to all,
>
>My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
>member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
>Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
>activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
>to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
>groups.
I am glad too. Enjoy your refound freedom.
Edwin, can you tell if and how ABLE let you play the 'we are no
scientology' card, if that ever occured? Did they instruct you tell
'acceptable truths' about that? How does the IAS sponsers the Criminon
program, is it on a by Criminon proposed project evaluation basis or is
it a structural annual amount with close supervision of the IAS?
Everyone who invests a couple of minutes on the 'net will know ABLE/WISE
are scientology related entities but yet they like to keep the link out
of the picture. I have seen a lot of BS on that, up and until the point of
dis-owning Narconon by an OSA PR. Both organizations fascinate me.
I saw your commendation on your site from ABLE and the quote of the
'special zone plan'. What did you think of that plan when you first read
that?
Yep, I know I ask a lot of questions. Feel free to skip the ones you don't
want to answer.
Mike Gormez
--
Scientology recruit- and harassment in the workplace -- http://easy.to/WISE
Edwin Bickel
> On 29 Jan 2002 23:47:00 -0800, ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote in
> <27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com>:
>
Hi Tilman,
> >
> >My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
> >member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
>
> Welcome to the free world. There are two things I'd like to know:
Thanks! You are so right. I have never felt so free now that I have
something to compare it to.
>
> 1) How does the INCOMM system work, i.e. technical details. Is it
> reliable? Are the software developers reliable people, or does the staff
> change all the time? Does it crash often? And how did it handle the Y2K
> problem?
Short answers.
I don't know how Incomm works.
I do not know tech details.
There are/were (1993-1994) only a couple real bright so called
software developers.
The main one being Paul Wilmshurst. I think he had a software company
in Australia. At the time he was operating on very little sleep and
was under enormous stress. Then there was the Commanding Officer -
Anne Marie Rummelhart . As I was leaving the SO (around Oct 1994) a
new CO was coming in to replace Anee Marie. At the time around
1993-1994 incomm consisted of about 40 staff maybe 15 were Int
Cleared. Something happened around Oct 1994 when I was leaving. The
side door was bolted shut and you could only enter/exit through 1
door. There was a tremendous amount of sec checks going on and people
heading to the RPF. Not sure what the problem was. There are 2
parts to Incomm. Int Cleared and non Int Cleared. Int =
International. That meas the non Int Cleared did not have access to
many areas of the organization. Incomm is located at the Cedars
Complex in LA. It is the big blue building that was the hospital.
Incomm is on the ground floor and consists of the 2 wings. No windows
and lots of cameras monitoring the workers inside everywhere. The
front doors/windows are glass and bullet proof and the type that can't
be pryed off the hinges. They must of learned that after the FBI raid
there many years ago. There is also an Incomm up at Int or Gold in
Hemut, CA. You know it is funny that more non Scientologists knew
where Int/Gold was than Scientoloists did. Mostly the non int cleared
staff processed the routing forms from all over the world that
parishoners would fill out at the Orgs. They would scan them in and
then review each scan and clean it up in the word recognition
database. Then that info went to the other side of the wall (the int
side). Problem was no one was managing the data or comments on the
routing forms as the same problems would continue week after week. It
was also discovered that the routing forms could be typed in faster
than scanning them and editing. When I was there the "Back Data Files
Project" was formed. That was to sort through the 40 million pieces
of paper (Kr's, stats, info the evaluators needed) that were stored at
the warehouse downtown and scan it into the system. Then people known
as indexers were to index each scanned image for important details.
That info is used by the Data Evaluators to find out why stats go up
or down in an area and also to do comm eves with. There were many
comm eves waiting as the info was at the warehouse in the 40 million
pieces of paper. Therefore comm evs could not be completed with out
the data or it had to manually searched through. I left before this
project finished. It was a monumental task. After the paper was
scanned and the film developed and verified that it was legible the
paper was taken to a paper recycling company and dumped into a big vat
of liquid and done away with.
Speaking of the warehouse, there were lots of personal items in
"storage" there. When you go into the Sea Org you do not have much
storage/closet space. If you happen to have a lot of items that wont
fit they need to be thrown away or taken to storage. There was also a
lot of personal storage across the street from Incomm at the parking
structure the Church owned. A major getting rid of personal items at
the warehouse and parking structure took place. These poor SO members
had to get rid of their last worldly posessions. When I graduated
from the EPF (Estates Project Force) a mental condition to see if you
have what it takes to join the SO I was shown my room where I would
sleep. Well I took one step in there and was disgusted by the smell
and how 30 people were crammed in such a small space. Three and 4
bunkbeds high and clothes thrown all over it was a complete pig stye.
I refused to stay in there. I said that I would leave if I had to
stay in there. I was then put in a room with other incomm staff.
They did not seem to happy about having another roommate. There were
less in this room. Only 6 people. I had to put a bunk bed on top of
two high already and make it a 3 high. I had to be carful waking up
or my head would hit the ceiling.
Not sure about the system crashing often. I never heard about it at
the weekly staff meetings that would go over the flaps and handlings.
I do know they had an old Wang system that was pretty obsolete. They
had data stored on big optical disks. The Int Data Evaluators would
request info. Then the Wang Operator had to find the optical disks
being requested and transfer the info so the evaluator got the info.
The only evaluator I knew was a lady from Canada named "Mr. Ottman"
sp? There is someone in the int side of the computer control room
monitoring the system 24 hours per day as well as doing back ups. At
the time it was John Busbee, Hank Gould (at the time Chief of Security
and carried a 45 strapped to his side around the org) and Tom
Rummelhart. A guy named Brian tried to make me his replacement as the
Wang Room operator. I did it for a short time but that particular
system would crash. It was not used as much because the data needed
from it was older and not requested as often.
Curtis Smih represents Incomm Flag. I was lied to by Incomm Execs
about going to pick Curtis up and take him to the airport as he was
needed at Flag to fix a computer emergency. For some reason Curtis
was the course administrator at ITO (International Training Org) That
is wher SO staff study and the OEC/FEBC (Organizational Executive
Course - Flag Executive Briefing Course) trainees from around the
world get trained. I went to pick him up and was told that he needed
a replacement and i was it and that they were taking him to the
airport. I would not sign anything. they only told me he would be
gone for 3 days. Well 3 days turned into forever. he is still at
Flag. incomm wanted to get rid of me and ITO picked me up. I still
slept in Incomm berthing and Incomm still paid me $25/week. It was at
ITO I met
Not sure of the incomm Rep on the Freewinds. I remember one of the
Incomm staff got assigned to the ship and was blamed for someting and
basically considered a reject when he got back. His name is Bartev.
He is an excellent marathoner and does a lot of running events in LA
wearing the Dianetics shirt.
Not sure what they did about the Y2K threat?
One of the projects i was involved in was helping to locate
programmers to program the "New" Class V Org Finance System. Well it
had to be a programmer that new this obscure language. Well why they
chose this language had to do with them already owning 100 or so
licenses for it. I can't even remember the name of it. Well it turns
out the Int Executives wanted Scientologists that were OT's. Well
there were not that many that were programmers and none of them knew
this language. There were a couple that were convinced to learn it
and we had to prepare their paperwork in order for them to eventually
be approved to go to Int/Gold to do this project. Well it turns out
it was slim pickings to locate programmers for this. So we started
calling all over the country for non scientology programmers. Well
one was located in i believe Houston from a computer head hunter type
agency. He flew in, had to do a meter check and go through sec
checking in a short amount of time. His paper work was complete and
he went up to Int/Gold to work on the system. Well after about a week
he came back and they got rid of him. It had something to do with him
bringing reading material about psychiatry or something and he must
have showed it to someone and it flapped all the way down. Then the
urgency heated up and an Int Finance Executive (Helga Visner) came
down to LA to run this mission and locate Scientologists to do this
project. Well we got a couple to work on it, I believe one was Greg
Solas and another Al Germolas and the other was a blonde headed
Scientology woman from LA who came in and learned the program language
on her own time. There was another professional from outside not a
scientologist that helped as well that would go to Int/Gold to work on
the project.
Let me just say that I am not a tech person and my making it to Incomm
in LA was because of a flap and some kind of an exchange. Briefly
(nothing is brief when it comes to this group) what happened was I was
travelling through Asia for about a year and had been to Japan, Korea,
Thailand, Nepal, Singapore, Bali with my last stop being New Zealand
before coming back home. Well I spent time in Auckland New Zealand
and it was there I was body routed and led to the Scientology
organization there. Did some courses, got some auditing and did a
purification rundown. I liked what I had found and wanted to join
staff at the org.
I had been staying in the YMCA in Auckland but the staff talked me
into staying at the Ferris' to save money (she was the ED and her
husband headed up CCHR) so we worked out an arrangement that I rented
a space in their garage. It was a make shift place to sleep. Well
not long after I moved in a Sea Org mission arrived and ended up
staying in the garage as well. Well one thing led to another and I
was being reg'ed into the Sea Org by a Judy O'Leary who was on a Sea
Org mission from Australia. Judy had to leave but a Richard Pasely on
another mission came in and took over on getting me into the SO in
Australia.
Well in order to get into Australia I needed a visa. So I went to the
Australian Consulate in New Zealand to apply for a visa. They asked
me why i was going to Australia. Before going to the embassy i was
instructed that I could not tell them that I was going to join the Sea
Org and be working for the church of Scientology. I should have known
right then that something was wrong but it was explained to me that
the evil sp's would be at work and not let me have a visa. They (SO)
have answers (lies) for everything or as they call it "an acceptable
truth". So I make up a story that i wanted to go camel trekking in
the desert and scuba dive the great barrier reef. Well I wait a week
for the visa application to be processed and come to find out it is
denied. So I go and resubmit and had to open a bak account to show
proof of funds to support my travel in Australia. I wait a few more
days and then am called into the embassy. I think I am there to get
my visa. Well the official calls me into this room and shuts the
door. She says please sit down. I do. She then says to please
explain why is it that you want to go to Australia again? I tell her
my reasons (lies). Then she says that is strange. And asks me if I
know a Rebecca Fear? Well I must have turned white as a ghost because
Rebecca Fear is this 15 year girl that is the HAS (similar to a person
that runs a human resource department of a large corporation) at the
Sea Org headquarters in Australia. Well Rebecca had been trying to
speed up getting me to Australia and unbeknownst to me placed a call
to the Australian Embassy in New Zealand and tells her that I will be
coming to Australia to work for the Church of Scientology. Well at
that point I am caught in the middle of a big fat lie. At this point
she took my passport, told me that I will be denied entry into
Australia and stamped a record of my visit in the passport. You can
see a picture of this stamped in my passport here:
Well at this point the Seo Org is scrambling on what to do with me as
they don't want to loose a new recruit. It was not until I routed out
of the SO that I realized that some kind of trade had happened with me
to go to Incmm in LA in the first place. Well the HAS at Incomm at
the time was a Susan Wilmshurst and she had told them something at
Incomm to make them believe i was some kind of computer wizard. At
the time I did not know about programming and bascis when it came to
hardware. I only knew various applications and how to use them.
When I finally arrived to Incomm and it was at a staff meeting they
introduced me, everyone stood up clapping and real glad to have me. I
could not figure out at the time why such a warm welcome and comments
about how glad to have a knowledgable computer person. I am not sure
exactly what happened to Susan Wilmshurst but I do know she routed out
of the SO and last I heard she was working at Gold Coast Promtions in
Palm Harbor Florida. While she was routing out they placed her under
some kind of watch as security guards were outside her door 24 hours a
day and they would follow her everywhere she went keeping in radio
contact of her every movement. In comparison when I routed out, I did
not have a 24 hour guard but they did keep me isolated during the day
from the staff and had me doing manual labor. I did receive reverse
auditing by an RTC auditor at Incomm named Barbara (she is also a
field recovery auditor that gets sent out to convince people to come
back). She tried her best to spin me in (screw me up mentally). She
should be very ashamed on trying to ruin another human being like
that. One day she will have to answer for her actions. At the time I
did not realize what she was doing, I just knew something was wrong.
I realized this treatment was not going to end. At that point I
booked a train ticket back to Portland, Oregon which was where I was
living before I travelled to Asia. I let the Incomm Execs know I had
a ticket already booked (that pissed them off) and that friends and
family were expecting me so they had 1 week to finish up whatever they
needed to do as I was leaving. So my leaving staff sec check was
speeded up (so called customized) and I got on the train and left for
Portland. My parents had moved to Florida so i followed them. So for
the next few years i worked paying off a freeloader debt and
eventually did a doubt formula and got" permission" to rejoin the
group. Being an ex-Sea Org member is no fun either. Regular members
who find out kind of cast their noses down at you and especially the
staff. You are not treated equal.
You know for those of you who have never experienced this kind of
mental abuse I am sure you want to ask "how could you let that go on
like that and continue to be a part of that group?" Well all i can
say is there is a slow indoctrination that takes hold of you. Before
you know it, you are not able to think for yourself anymore and are in
fear of being reprimanded by ethics or that your spiritual eternity
somehow will be taken away from you unless you comply. You know like
the Borg in Star Trek - Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
Well i was assimilated into the so called SO Collective. There is a
hive mind and lots of drones. Well it is so nice to have broken away
like 7 of 9 did from the collective.
I am enjoying life once again and have a lot of catching up with old
friends and explaining why they have not heard from me for so long.
>
> 2) I would like to know if there is any story behind this letter, i.e.
> did you write it spontaneously because you're a SP TImes buyer, or was
> it different?
I don't remember what prompted it (probably related to Lisa McPherson
in some way) but I do remember OSA pretty much insisting letters like
this be sent and copies faxed to them for approval/review and a way to
count the stats. Anytime they had bad press they would get a letter
campaign to flood the Saint Pete Times with faxed letters from
parishoners and try to get a letter printed. I did take a lot of heat
from the Kiwanis Club I belonged to for mentioning them. I know my
being a member of that particular club split up the club and some
members quit coming. For that I am sorry.
Thanks again,
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
ebi...@cent.com
>
Edwin Bickel
> Welcome out.
Thanks Feisty,
Edwin Bickel
> HAH! They lose another good one.
Hi Ted,
Thanks as well!
Edwin Bickel
> In article <27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com>,
> ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote:
>
> >Hello to all,
> >
> >My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
> >member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
> >Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
> >activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
> >to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
> >groups.
>
> I am glad too. Enjoy your refound freedom.
Hi Mike,
Thanks!
>
> Edwin, can you tell if and how ABLE let you play the 'we are no
> scientology' card, if that ever occured?
Yes it would occur and ABLE would have PR seminars/workshops on how to
handle it. I could never quite grasp it as ABLE is a Sea Org Org and
the different outreach groups are (Narconon, Criminon, Way to
Happiness & Applied Scholastics) license to use LRH tech and ABLE is
senior to these groups and I believe CSI (Church of Scientology) is
senior to all of them. The organization lines are hard to keep
straight as it went through another command line change awhile back.
What I do know is ABLE International is located in the HGB (Hollywood
Guarntee Building) and they do wear Sea Org uniforms and who runs all
that RTC, ASI, CST? I do know for the most part you can't fool the
non scientology public who find out it is L. Ron Hubbard and that
means Scientology in their mind. Now if you ask 100 Scientologists
you will more than likely get 100 different answers to this question.
From time to time the IAS (International Associationn of
Scientologists) grants money to these various non-profit
organizations. Now that money does not come without a string
attached. You will find people like Rick Pendry who got a grant for
"his" Criminon program travelling around giving briefings alongside
the IAS reges at the various orgs and regging donations for the IAS.
It seems to be an unwritten requiremet to get an IAS grant. You have
to fill back up the coffers.
LRH said "The study tech is our bridge to society" so get ready for
the next program to get new members. You will find Applied
Scholastics has moved to:
Applied Scholastics International
3501 S. Harbor Blvd.
Santa Ana, CA 92704
It is supposedly larger and newer quarters 50 miles southeast of LA.
This will coincide with a facility in the mid east gearing up to open
and train supervisors as well. I know this because I had a letter
dated January 2002 from Applied Scholastics telling me.
> Did they instruct you tell
> 'acceptable truths' about that?
I guess "acceptable truth" would describe it. If you think about it,
all the stats eventually funnel all the way up to the top. So if you
had a new kid start at the World Literacy Crusade Center way out in
the middle of nowhere that would be accounted for somehow as points
climb there way to the top of Church Management.
>How does the IAS sponsers the Criminon
> program, is it on a by Criminon proposed project evaluation basis or is
> it a structural annual amount with close supervision of the IAS?
It is project evaluation with a grant as the donation but from my
perspective you could receive a grant if you had a good speaker to go
around with the IAS and talk about your program and how the IAS
sponsors it and then get the IAS regges to collect the money to once
again fill back up the coffers.
>
> Everyone who invests a couple of minutes on the 'net will know
> ABLE/WISE
> are scientology related entities but yet they like to keep the link out
> of the picture. I have seen a lot of BS on that, up and until the point of
> dis-owning Narconon by an OSA PR. Both organizations fascinate me.
Well notice my commendation at:
and you will see the ABLE Flag address as the same as the Ft. Harrison
Hotel. You will also see the CC's link to church officals up the so
called command line. I guess you could say the church has a vested
interest in these "outreach programs" for PR purposes as well as
potential routes for new members to get on "The Bridge".
>
> I saw your commendation on your site from ABLE and the quote of the
> 'special zone plan'. What did you think of that plan when you first read
> that?
You know i can't recall what that plan is but I do remember reading
it. i think it had to do with you as a Scientologist getting out into
the community and joining different social/professional groups and
climbing your way into a position of power. Now you achieved this by
using the tech of LRH so you can show and tell others to get them
involved. Or something close to that.
>
>
> Yep, I know I ask a lot of questions. Feel free to skip the ones you don't
> want to answer.
I answered them to the best of my knowledge. Can I go see the
examiner now? :) I don't know about any of you who are lurking out
there that have been to a Scientology Examiner before to attest after
finishing a course but I can recall exactly when they changed the way
of conducting an exam. I could not believe how long you have to sit
there and wait before they say "Thank you very much your needle is
floating" or for those not so lucky they don't say that and off to
cramming you go and then more than likely a trip to the ethics office!
I ran across this little jewel the other day:
Does this sound familiar (don't prejudge till you get to the end, you
may be suprised):
"The law of auto-suggestion, through which any person may rise to
altitudes of achievement which stagger the imagination, is well
described in the following verse":
"If you think you are beaten, you are,
If you think you dare not, you don't
If you like to win, but you think you can't,
It is almost certain you won't.
"If you think you'll lose, you're lost
For out of the world we find,
Success begins with a fellow's will-
It's all in a state of mind.
"If you think you are outclassed, you are,
You've got to think high to rise,
You've got to be sure of yourself before
You can ever win a prize.
"Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man,
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the man WHO THINKS HE CAN!"
"Observe the words which have been emphasized, and you will catch the
deep meaning which the poet had in mind."
Think And Grow Rich
Napoleon Hill
Origional Unabridged Edition pages 77-78
(c) 1937 by Napoleon Hill
A new friend pointed this out that in technique 80 final lectures,
LRH says "I wrote ...".
Thanks again Mike,
Edwin
>
>
>
> Mike Gormez
ptsc
>> 1) How does the INCOMM system work, i.e. technical details. Is it
>> reliable? Are the software developers reliable people, or does the staff
>> change all the time? Does it crash often? And how did it handle the Y2K
>> problem?
>Short answers.
>I don't know how Incomm works.
>I do not know tech details.
What kind of terminals are used? I know or believe that INCOMM was originally
a VAX/VMS system hooked together with DECnet (this btw would be quite secure
compared to a Unix network and with the general security procedures taken would
be almost impregnable except perhaps to an insider--ie the problem would be more
with people who had legitimate access abusing it than with outside 'hackers.')
I have heard things that would seem to indicate they were going to Windows NT,
which would be a mistake. However, I'd imagine they'd keep the old legacy
systems alive for a while. The output of the few INCOMM things that have been
posted here seem to indicate they were using the old VAX system until at least
1996, at least in some capacity.
>There are/were (1993-1994) only a couple real bright so called
>software developers.
>The main one being Paul Wilmshurst. I think he had a software company
>in Australia. At the time he was operating on very little sleep and
>was under enormous stress. Then there was the Commanding Officer -
>Anne Marie Rummelhart . As I was leaving the SO (around Oct 1994) a
Rummelhart! That's such an unusual name, and INCOMM such a small pool of
people, in general, that I'd assume this person is related to Thomas Gerard
Rummelhart. If assumptions are correct, this person was involved in an
incredibly bizarre scheme to frame up one of the posters here (Tom Klemesrud) in
some kind of sexual assault or suspicion of murder case. The events led to
police investigations in California and Finland, where the anon.penet.fi
anonymous server was raided by Finnish Police and subsequently shut down.
The brief story on that is that Dennis Erlich was posting material the "Church"
claimed copyrighted (a case settled a couple years ago seemingly on terms
favorable to Erlich). After they got done threatening Dennis Erlich, they
started threatening the guy who ran his ISP, Tom Klemesrud, who ran a system
called support.com in those days (which provided service to Scientology critics
and Scientologists among other people). Tom refused to disconnect Dennis
Erlich, and the story got very weird there. Some night in a bar, he met a woman
claiming to be an IRS CID agent, who ended up going back to his apartment with
him after a night of what happens in bars. The night was January 14, 1995.
That's about the only part everyone agrees on. Tom posted a narrative which is
at http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/ars-FAQ/20.htm, the short
version is she took out a container full of blood and threw it around Tom's
apartment, smeared it around his bed and on his walls, and claimed, while Tom
looked on in horror: "I am a representative of the Church of Scientology, and I
think you should do as attorney Thomas Small has said you should do--disconnect
Dennis Erlich from the Internet." At this point Tom called 911.
The story amazingly gets even stranger there (here's the INCOMM part). An
anonymous poster, using the anon.penet.server and the name "-AB-" posted what
appeared to be a fairly normal Scientology-style Dead Agent pack, claiming to be
an "interview" with the Scientology agent "Linda Woolard," or "Miss Blood" as
she came to be called. This seemed to be pretty standard fare at the time, but
-AB- shortly claimed that not only wasn't he OSA, but that in fact OSA was after
him. This was met with pretty wide skepticism, as this whole thing was damn
near too strange for belief anyway, but within days Finnish police (including
Kaj Malmberg, a Finnish cop who posted for a while to the newsgroup to explain
the situation) raided anon.penet.fi, seeking the identity of -AB- who then
immediately disappeared.
A few years ago, Klemesrud claimed he was certain that -AB- was one Thomas
Gerard Rummelhart, but I don't know if he's ever proven this claim. In any
case, if it was, he played a pretty important part in this newsgroup's history.
>new CO was coming in to replace Anee Marie. At the time around
>1993-1994 incomm consisted of about 40 staff maybe 15 were Int
>Cleared. Something happened around Oct 1994 when I was leaving. The
>side door was bolted shut and you could only enter/exit through 1
>door. There was a tremendous amount of sec checks going on and people
>heading to the RPF. Not sure what the problem was. There are 2
>parts to Incomm. Int Cleared and non Int Cleared. Int =
>International. That meas the non Int Cleared did not have access to
>many areas of the organization. Incomm is located at the Cedars
>Complex in LA. It is the big blue building that was the hospital.
>Incomm is on the ground floor and consists of the 2 wings. No windows
At around this period of time, there were internal leaks going on that no doubt
were causing great tumult in the organization.
I would imagine it might have something to do with this message that had been
posted a couple weeks earlier. That or something else from the same time frame.
They were having severe internal leak problems, at that time many from
anon.peneti.fi. I suspect the op detailed above (re the Finnish police) was
intent on gaining the identity not just of "-AB-" who is alleged to have been
Mr. Rummelhart, but all of the anon.penet.fi identities (including ones like
this one).
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********************* Conspiracy to Handle ARS **************************
This religion I've been suckered into has gon far enough. I believe
what they are conspiring to do is illegal, and I don't know what to
do, because I'm scared:
Wednesday, September 14, 1994
HANDLING A.R.S.
Situation: The Internet is a potentially highly effective Planetary
Dissemination tool. A particular section of the Internet (Usenet Newsgroup
alt.religion.Scientology) was begun by an enemy of Scientology. Currently
many CAN connected deprogrammer types and disaffected Scientologists, about
15 individuals, have made this Internet bulletin board a place to spread
entheta about Scientology. They have vowed to take this false information
and put it all over the Internet which according to latest estimates has over
20 million participants and is growing by 1 million people per month.
Data: Some public Scientologists, in their attempts to handle the entheta,
have engaged in debates with the deprogrammers, in violation of policy.
There are random efforts but no coordinated actions to terminate the a.r.s.
situation. An on policy solution is needed to properly handle.
Policy: " THE DEFENSE OF ANYTHING IS UNTENABLE. The only way to defend
anything is to ATTACK." LRH Ability Mag Article (page 47 Tech Vol. III)
References:
1.) HCOPl 5 April 1965, Issue I, HANDLING THE SUPPRESSIVE PERSON, THE BASIS
OF INSANITY (OEC Vol. I page 990 through page 991 the first 6 paragraphs,
page 993 #10, and page 995 the first 5 paragraphs)
2.) HCOPl 27 October 1964R, POLICIES ON PHYSICAL HEALING, INSANITY AND
SOURCES OF TROUBLE (OEC Vol. I page 987 last 2 paragraphs)
3.) HCOPl 9 June 1975, PR SERIES 27, THE ENEMY LINE
4.) HCOPl 21 November 1972, PR SERIES 18, HOW TO HANDLE BLACK PROPAGANDA
PRIMARY TARGETS
1.) Someone to be responsible for the execution of this program
2.) Design a project Org Board.
3.) Read and understand this program.
4.) All project personnel to read and study the above references
VITAL TARGETS
1.) Arrange financing for this project .
2.) Ensure the use of debug tech to handle bugged targets.
3.) Get a sidecheck from Church terminals on this program.
4.) Ensure LRH Policy is followed in executing this program.
5.) Report bugs or security problems immediately.
" A VT would have to be to keep in the basic rule of not e*mailing [ie TNX]
anything that you would be unwilling to have show up anywhere. Although
this might be a nuisance at times, it is VITAL." Lee Holtzinger
OPERATING TARGETS
1.) Project I/C to arrange for a personnel I/C who will obtain
volunteers
1A.) Establish a record of phone address and E*Mail address for each
project member.
2.) Project I/C to appoint an operations I/C.
2A.) Project I/C to appoint a Legal I/C
2B.) Project I/C to appoint a Security Officer/EO
3.) Operations I/C to appoint 5 "posting I/C's".
A.) Success Posting I/C
B) BPI Issues Posting I/C
C.) D/A Posting I/C
D.) Satire/Humor Posting I/C
E.) A.R.S. Board Reader I/C (Must be OT V or above)
e.)
I.) Ensure that A.R.S. Readers are rotated monthly
4.) Each I/C to gather or receive from personnel I/C from 3-5 section
members.
5.) Each I/C to hat section members on the program and LRH Policies.
5a.) Each member to write sample posts for a pass before posting
6.) Each I/C to hat "posters" on Copyright and TM Scientology Policy
Directive of 26 August 1982 Revised 17 February 1994 "UNDERSTANDING
TRADEMARKSAND THE USE AND PROTECTION OF"SCIENTOLOGY
AND DIANETICS.
7.) Personnel I/C to get the names of the Moderated Board Project
Personnel.
8.) Moderated Board Project I/C to liaise with A.R.S. Project I/C.
9.) I/C to write an analysis of the project effectiveness after the first
week of
operation.
10.) Establish a "computer tech" I/C to make access to electronic libraries
easy and to facilitate information flow.
PRODUCTION TARGETS
1.) By September 25th. to have a minimum of 80 posts to a.r.s. all at
once.
2.) To have no less than 50 posts per day to a.r.s. for the next
month.
Stats: Number of on policy posts per day to a.r.s.
Gimmick: Let's get out the TRUTH about Scientology
*******
(End planned Operation)
This kind of trickery must stop by the management.
-Scared
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[Snip a whole lot of fascinating stuff.]
>Not sure about the system crashing often. I never heard about it at
>the weekly staff meetings that would go over the flaps and handlings.
>I do know they had an old Wang system that was pretty obsolete. They
>had data stored on big optical disks. The Int Data Evaluators would
>request info. Then the Wang Operator had to find the optical disks
>being requested and transfer the info so the evaluator got the info.
>The only evaluator I knew was a lady from Canada named "Mr. Ottman"
>sp? There is someone in the int side of the computer control room
>monitoring the system 24 hours per day as well as doing back ups. At
>the time it was John Busbee, Hank Gould (at the time Chief of Security
>and carried a 45 strapped to his side around the org) and Tom
>Rummelhart. A guy named Brian tried to make me his replacement as the
>Wang Room operator. I did it for a short time but that particular
>system would crash. It was not used as much because the data needed
>from it was older and not requested as often.
Tom Rummelhart! Yes, that would be our guy--assuming it was.
[Other snip of a bunch of amazing adventures, including documentary proof of
claims, always good.]
>You know for those of you who have never experienced this kind of
>mental abuse I am sure you want to ask "how could you let that go on
>like that and continue to be a part of that group?" Well all i can
>say is there is a slow indoctrination that takes hold of you. Before
>you know it, you are not able to think for yourself anymore and are in
>fear of being reprimanded by ethics or that your spiritual eternity
>somehow will be taken away from you unless you comply. You know like
>the Borg in Star Trek - Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
> Well i was assimilated into the so called SO Collective. There is a
>hive mind and lots of drones. Well it is so nice to have broken away
>like 7 of 9 did from the collective.
>I am enjoying life once again and have a lot of catching up with old
>friends and explaining why they have not heard from me for so long.
Welcome back. These kinds of personal stories are always amazing, and
constitute the real "bread and butter" of the newsgroup. Thanks for sharing.
There really wouldn't be any newsgroup to speak of without these kinds of
valuable experiences and unusual data. It's stuff like this that eventually
will result in the historical record of Scientology being accurate.
Placing Rummelhart in INCOMM in 1994, just by itself, is a highly valuable piece
of information, and it could be years before some of these other piece of data
actually turn out to be relevant to putting together the truth of some other as
yet unknown matter.
Btw, with relation to that letter mentioning the Kiwanis you wrote to the St.
Pete Times. Before her own untimely death, Lisa McPherson herself was on that
exact same detail (writing the SPT re shore flaps).
Not long before her death one of her letters to the editor was posted to ars.
Here's that letter as originally posted.
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Festival could be economic opportunity
St. Petersburg Times
Friday September 8, 1995
Regarding "City cool to Scientology using Coachman Park."
The City Commission should take a step back and look at this from
a completely different viewpoint. Festivals like this are what
cities become famous for; they put them on the map.
I grew up in a small town in northern Illinois that hosted a
Pumpkin Festival. It started on the front lawn of a man's house.
Then it was organized by a local volunteer. Now, Sycamore, Ill., is
quite famous for its annual Pumpkin Festival, drawing thousands of
people from across the state for the weeklong festival. Any
merchant in the town will tell you that the week of the Pumpkin
Festival is one of the biggest weeks they have.
So let's get a grip here. It's Santa Claus, the annual giving
spirit, sharing, fun, a wondrous spectacle for children, and an
economic benefit. Let's just do it.
Jeff L. Schaffner
Clearwater
What's wrong with a winter festival?
I read the article in the Aug. 31 paper about the winter
festivities (sponsored by the Church of Scientology ) being
considered for Clearwater's Coachman Park this holiday season. I
was quite surprised to find such opposition to holiday activities
for children.
It is hard for me to imagine anyone, especially one of our own city
commissioners, objecting to Santa Claus and singing and to a church
that wants to put this on. It looks like this has become a
controversial issue - the holidays, of all things! I find it quite
silly. The park is the perfect place for these activities and I
look forward to seeing it.
Lisa McPherson
Clearwater
Bar Scientologists from Coachman Park
Use of Clearwater's Coachman Park should be limited to taxpayers
and/or legitimate enterprises. Scientology is neither.
They want to use a public park so they can be more accessible to
the public. If they want to use their own property, we can't stop
them. But the city of Clearwater should not help them in their
quest to appear more legitimate.
For the cult to have a Christmas display is hypocritical anyway,
when everyone knows their deity is the almighty dollar.
Dave Rodman
Dunedin
--
ptsc
Zinj
nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com> says...
> On 31 Jan 2002 15:52:14 -0800, ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote:
>
> >> 1) How does the INCOMM system work, i.e. technical details. Is it
> >> reliable? Are the software developers reliable people, or does the staff
> >> change all the time? Does it crash often? And how did it handle the Y2K
> >> problem?
>
> >Short answers.
>
> >I don't know how Incomm works.
>
> >I do not know tech details.
>
What's the difference between the Cult in the age of Snow White,
Operation Freakout, Bulgravian episodes, Gabe Cezare frame ups, deaths in
Morocco, trailer-trash in Palm Springs, IRS blackmail and now?
Exposure! Exposure! Exposure!
Zinj
Android Cat
>
> My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
> member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
> Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
> activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
> to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
> groups. It took a number of years for me to realize that quite a few
> alterations, deletions and additions have systematically taken place
> over the years with what L. Ron Hubard had written and it does not
> take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is being done from the
> top down.
Hi Edwin!
How recently at INCOMM? Everyone here is always interested to learn more
about Co$'s "puzzle palace", which monitors ars as part of its duties.
Criminon fits under ABLE on the org charts? All the better to try and
hide who it really is, I guess.
> One of the most revealing pieces of L. Ron Hubbards works being
> altered, deleted or added to is "The No-Interference Area Clarified
> And Re-Enforced":
>
> CS Series 73RA (12 pages)
>
> which is now
>
> CS Series 73RB (5 pages) Revised 2 August 1990
>
> Golly gee, if L. Ron Hubbard passed away in 1986, who gave authority
> for 7 pages to be removed? hummmmmmm
Maybe he's channeling in from another gaLAXy? :^)
> For those of you who have had trouble "Repairing Past Ethics
> Conditions" it may be related to the deletion, alterations and
> additions to this policy. This is "Repairing Past Ethics Conditions":
>
> HCO PL 19 December 1982
>
> and now
>
> HCO PL 19 December 1982R Revised 2 June 1990.
>
> Well if you review the above 2 references I think you will see my
> point.
>
> Another so called outpoint regarding this group are 2 OT Ambassadors,
> OT8's, WISE Consultants & Executives at the Mace Kingsley Ranch in
> Reserve New Mexico for troubled kids. That is Randy & Molly Baxter.
> Well as I have tried over the years to collect on monies owed to me
> and my family it has fallen on deaf ears to say the least. Now is
> that any way for 2 high level representatives of Scientology to act.
> This violates a number of precepts talked about in "The Way to
> Happiness" as well. Is this the kind of example to be setting for the
> kids at the rach? Now that I am no longer a member of Scientology I
> can pursue legal action to recoup what is owed and that is in the
> works. So the Baxter's affiliation with Scientology and why it has
> taken so long for me to pursue a legal course of action will become
> part of court records soon. The purchase of a Paso Fino horse by
> Randy & Molly Baxter with monies from a business loan from my family
> that were to go to Precision Resources that have not been paid back
> will also be explained to the judge as well.
Good on ya! At least they didn't buy ostrich eggs with the money.
> I am also confused about the IAS (International Association of
> Scientologists) policy regarding refunds. I am a Sponsor of the IAS.
> You can see my picture at:
>
> http://www.HenryBickel.com
>
> Why can some people get a refund and others can't? I seem to fall
> into the category of the cant's. As many of you may know I spent time
> up in Tallahassee Florida at the state capitol displaying the Criminon
> booth in the Rotunda during the first week of legislation over the
> years. During that time I made many contacts with state reps and
> congressmen. Well as I can't seem to get Lise Cohee of the IAS to
> explain why some IAS refunds are given and some are'nt she leaves me
> no choice but to pursue governmental assistance through resources at
> the state capitol. I will be speaking of the International
> Association of Scientologists as I seek assistance through resources
> at the state capitol regarding the IAS and refunds.
I would bet that your IAS speaking slot evaporates PDQ.
> Another matter that goes unanswered is trying to get off of
> Scientology related mailing list(s). I have spent over 6 months
> writting requests to be removed. This gets incredibly complex for
> this group for some reason. Most businesses immediately grant
> requests to be removed from their list. Seems like a simple request
> to me? I seem to get off one list only to be mailed to by another.
> Lately it has slowed down but given my past experiences I will more
> than likely be re-added to the list(s) once "Central Addresso" does
> updates. The following email I received tonight is a recent example
> from one of the lists I have been trying to be removed from:
Removing you would lower their stats. The most effective method seems to
be to post info here from the mailings. (As you have just done.)
Alternatively, I'm sure that some people on this newsgroup would welcome
them, and you could send a "change of address" card to reroute it.
>
> Edwin Bickel
> Clearwater, Florida
> ebi...@cent.com
Congratulations on getting out. Hip-hip-hooray! (And nobody had to bow
to Mr. Toad while doing so.)
Ron of that ilk.
Susan
Congratulations on regaining your life back!
Looking forward to your posts here on ARS.
Susan
ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote in message news:<27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com>...
Bedford McIntosh
sees this post. Anytime the word "Rummelhart" shows up here some of
our ears perk up a wee bit. Are you aware of any flaps Tom got into,
say, late-1994 or early-1995?
Thanks for this info; all the best to you.
ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote in message news:<27d86a60.02013...@posting.google.com>...
Then there was the Commanding Officer -
> Anne Marie Rummelhart . As I was leaving the SO (around Oct 1994) a
> new CO was coming in to replace Anee Marie. At the time around
> 1993-1994 incomm consisted of about 40 staff maybe 15 were Int
> Cleared. Something happened around Oct 1994 when I was leaving.
<snip>
Edwin Bickel
> "Edwin Bickel" <ebi...@cent.com> wrote in message
> news:27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com...
> > Hello to all,
> >
> > My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
> > member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
> > Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
> > activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
> > to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
> > groups. It took a number of years for me to realize that quite a few
> > alterations, deletions and additions have systematically taken place
> > over the years with what L. Ron Hubard had written and it does not
> > take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is being done from the
> > top down.
>
> Hi Edwin!
Hi Android Cat,
>
> How recently at INCOMM? Everyone here is always interested to learn more
> about Co$'s "puzzle palace", which monitors ars as part of its duties.
I routed out of Incomm in Oct 1994. Not long after Int fired down a
mission from Gold to take over PAC Base. They established their
operations center on the 5th floor of the HGB Building. It had all
the drama of a Gestapo raid. They shortened meal times and extended
the work day. Kept the staff at the HGB on little sleep. Every night
at 10:00 pm they would play a tape from the FEBC and anyone falling
asleep or nodding off was made to stand up. Now there were 3
enforcers with the titles of DCOI Ethics & Image for Deputy Commanding
Oficer International Ethics & Image. These guys carried little
swagger sticks. They were Nathan Story, Heinz Berther (sp?) and Mr.
Jerry. I believe it was Mr. Jerry who drove the black porsche. These
were the guys sent in to clean house and make sure everyone was "on
policy". All they were capable of was instilling fear.They were not
liked as any free will was stripped away and it became very robotic.
>
> Criminon fits under ABLE on the org charts? All the better to try and
> hide who it really is, I guess.
Yeah and ABLE fits under _________?
Climb all the way to the top and you eventually make it to _______?
>
> > One of the most revealing pieces of L. Ron Hubbards works being
> > altered, deleted or added to is "The No-Interference Area Clarified
> > And Re-Enforced":
> >
> > CS Series 73RA (12 pages)
> >
> > which is now
> >
> > CS Series 73RB (5 pages) Revised 2 August 1990
> >
> > Golly gee, if L. Ron Hubbard passed away in 1986, who gave authority
> > for 7 pages to be removed? hummmmmmm
>
> Maybe he's channeling in from another gaLAXy? :^)
Yeah and I keep my porch light on waiting for him to show :)
Yeah I'd bet you're right!
>
> > Another matter that goes unanswered is trying to get off of
> > Scientology related mailing list(s). I have spent over 6 months
> > writting requests to be removed. This gets incredibly complex for
> > this group for some reason. Most businesses immediately grant
> > requests to be removed from their list. Seems like a simple request
> > to me? I seem to get off one list only to be mailed to by another.
> > Lately it has slowed down but given my past experiences I will more
> > than likely be re-added to the list(s) once "Central Addresso" does
> > updates. The following email I received tonight is a recent example
> > from one of the lists I have been trying to be removed from:
>
> Removing you would lower their stats. The most effective method seems to
> be to post info here from the mailings. (As you have just done.)
> Alternatively, I'm sure that some people on this newsgroup would welcome
> them, and you could send a "change of address" card to reroute it.
You know you are right. Give it a couple weeks to see if they remove
me.
>
> >
> > Edwin Bickel
> > Clearwater, Florida
> > ebi...@cent.com
>
> Congratulations on getting out. Hip-hip-hooray! (And nobody had to bow
> to Mr. Toad while doing so.)
>
> Ron of that ilk.
Thanks, much appreciated,
Roland
happens to them? Do they get "offloaded"? What do they do afterwards?
--
Clear Cognition: "I am mocking up my own reactive mind" ~$40,000
OT8 cognition: "Now I know who I am NOT and am interested in
finding out who I am" ~$300,000
"Edwin Bickel" <ebi...@cent.com> wrote in message
news:27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com...
Warrior
Welcome to a.r.s. and wogdom! I am interested in hearing more of
your experiences in Scientology, particularly while in the Sea Org.
Please do tell more.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.offlines.org
>> "Edwin Bickel" <ebi...@cent.com> wrote in message
>> news:27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com:
>> >
>> > Hello to all,
>> >
>> > My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
>> > member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
>> > Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
>> > activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
>> > to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
>> > groups. It took a number of years for me to realize that quite a few
>> > alterations, deletions and additions have systematically taken place
>> > over the years with what L. Ron Hubard had written and it does not
>> > take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is being done from the
>> > top down.
> "Android Cat" <androi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:
> <3c5a0294$1...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>>
>> Hi Edwin!
In article <27d86a60.02013...@posting.google.com>, ebi...@cent.com
says...
Roland
sec checkers come round looking for the SPs responsible for crashed stats or
whatever other insanity. Do they learn a trick like "think F/N"? This
happened at the London Org once when the Sea Org came round - I think just
checking metab - and to make sure there was no problem the DED sprawled
herself across the sofa with her legs showing up to her knickers. All the
men got good F/N's no matter how tired they were. So that's one way round
the problem.
"Edwin Bickel" <ebi...@cent.com> wrote in message
news:27d86a60.02012...@posting.google.com...
> Hello to all,
>
> My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
> member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
> Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
> activity (Association for Better Living through Education). I am glad
> to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
> groups. It took a number of years for me to realize that quite a few
> alterations, deletions and additions have systematically taken place
> over the years with what L. Ron Hubard had written and it does not
> take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is being done from the
> top down.
>
> One of the most revealing pieces of L. Ron Hubbards works being
> altered, deleted or added to is "The No-Interference Area Clarified
> And Re-Enforced":
>
> CS Series 73RA (12 pages)
>
> which is now
>
> CS Series 73RB (5 pages) Revised 2 August 1990
>
> Golly gee, if L. Ron Hubbard passed away in 1986, who gave authority
> for 7 pages to be removed? hummmmmmm
>
> For those of you who have had trouble "Repairing Past Ethics
> Conditions" it may be related to the deletion, alterations and
> additions to this policy. This is "Repairing Past Ethics Conditions":
>
> HCO PL 19 December 1982
>
> and now
>
> HCO PL 19 December 1982R Revised 2 June 1990.
>
> Well if you review the above 2 references I think you will see my
> point.
>
> Another so called outpoint regarding this group are 2 OT Ambassadors,
> OT8's, WISE Consultants & Executives at the Mace Kingsley Ranch in
> Reserve New Mexico for troubled kids. That is Randy & Molly Baxter.
> Well as I have tried over the years to collect on monies owed to me
> and my family it has fallen on deaf ears to say the least. Now is
> that any way for 2 high level representatives of Scientology to act.
> This violates a number of precepts talked about in "The Way to
> Happiness" as well. Is this the kind of example to be setting for the
> kids at the rach? Now that I am no longer a member of Scientology I
> can pursue legal action to recoup what is owed and that is in the
> works. So the Baxter's affiliation with Scientology and why it has
> taken so long for me to pursue a legal course of action will become
> part of court records soon. The purchase of a Paso Fino horse by
> Randy & Molly Baxter with monies from a business loan from my family
> that were to go to Precision Resources that have not been paid back
> will also be explained to the judge as well.
>
> I am also confused about the IAS (International Association of
> Scientologists) policy regarding refunds. I am a Sponsor of the IAS.
> You can see my picture at:
>
> http://www.HenryBickel.com
>
> Why can some people get a refund and others can't? I seem to fall
> into the category of the cant's. As many of you may know I spent time
> up in Tallahassee Florida at the state capitol displaying the Criminon
> booth in the Rotunda during the first week of legislation over the
> years. During that time I made many contacts with state reps and
> congressmen. Well as I can't seem to get Lise Cohee of the IAS to
> explain why some IAS refunds are given and some are'nt she leaves me
> no choice but to pursue governmental assistance through resources at
> the state capitol. I will be speaking of the International
> Association of Scientologists as I seek assistance through resources
> at the state capitol regarding the IAS and refunds.
>
> Another matter that goes unanswered is trying to get off of
> Scientology related mailing list(s). I have spent over 6 months
> writting requests to be removed. This gets incredibly complex for
> this group for some reason. Most businesses immediately grant
> requests to be removed from their list. Seems like a simple request
> to me? I seem to get off one list only to be mailed to by another.
> Lately it has slowed down but given my past experiences I will more
> than likely be re-added to the list(s) once "Central Addresso" does
> updates. The following email I received tonight is a recent example
> from one of the lists I have been trying to be removed from:
>
Roland
Margery Wakefield to be literal but it is not. It's a fictionalised account.
I haven't heard of any real offloading stories. But there might be some now
as there must be many Sea Orgers coming up to retirement age. Let's say
there was a big Sea Org recruitment drive in late sixties and they took on
people who were 30 years of age then they will be 60 or older now. I am sure
that at some point the work pressure and stress will become too much to
bear. And yet they will have no savings to fall back on and no pension is
provided for them and yet they will be too old to work and unlikely to have
any skills to offer. They will just have a state pension and maybe get their
rented accomodation paid for by the State. And they won't have the money to
do any more "services" in Scientology and move up the Bridge.
--
Clear Cognition: "I am mocking up my own reactive mind" ~$40,000
OT8 cognition: "Now I know who I am NOT and am interested in
finding out who I am" ~$300,000
"ŠAnti-CultŽ - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/"
<Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net> wrote in message
news:vltk5u0co2mb462m6...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance...
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:04:49 -0000.
> In Message-ID: <g%r68.6573$sU.10...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>
> From: "Roland" <roland.rash...@virgin.net>.
> Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Dear OT Ambassador and/or Home Solo NOTs
> Auditor,:
>
> >There must be plenty of Sea Org members reaching retirement age. What
> >happens to them? Do they get "offloaded"? What do they do afterwards?
>
> I feel a song coming, it's coming now, Oh Xenu I have to burst out in a
> song:
>
> Music "CRYING TIME"
>
> Oh, it's offloading time again, they're gonna leave me. I can see that
> faraway look in my handlers eyes. I can tell by the way they ARC break
> me. That it won't be long before it's offloading time.
>
> SAZ
Edwin Bickel
> Hi Edwin,
>
> Welcome to a.r.s. and wogdom! I am interested in hearing more of
> your experiences in Scientology, particularly while in the Sea Org.
> Please do tell more.
Hi Warrior,
Thanks for the welcome.
Well what comes to mind upon entering the the Sea Org was before you
are allowed to beging your billion year contract you have to do time
on the EPF (Estates Project Force). This is where you learn the
basics about what will be expected of you as well as make you do labor
the majority of the day. There are some courses you have to do
before you graduate Like the Basic Study Manual, The Ethics Book,
Welcome to the Sea Org Tapes, Personal Grooming and one other one.
The guy running the EPF at PAC Base (Pacific Area Command) was
referred to as the Bosun. It was the EPF's duty to keek PAC Base
clean and as well was wash dishes and clean up the mess hall after
each meal. Can't remember his name but last time I saw him was at
Flag studying and he is in CMO (Commadore Messangers Org) now. He was
also responsible for a lot of the event set up at the Shrine
Audotorium. This is the guy I am sure many of you have had the
experience in meeting if you joined the SO in LA.
We would "muster" assemble 3 times a day. At these musters we would
recite the Code Of A Sea Org Member. Maybe someone can do a follow up
post as to what that code says? There were 13 of us on the EPF in
January 1993 when I was there. The EPF is a very scheduled activity
with lots of running around. For many it is as least 1 month or
longer to finish and you never leave the the perimiter of that little
area. If you do it is usually with a group of others. You are pretty
much isolated from the rest of the world. There is a lot of mental
conditioning that takes place while on the EPF.
Well you can't help but not miss the RPF (Rehabilitation Project
Force). This is where the people who supposedly screwed up in a major
way are segregated and they cannot speak unless spoken to and have to
run/jog everywhere they go. They also wear black. When I became to
understand more about the RPF I told myself that is one place I will
never go. The execs and staff use the RPF in various ways to get you
to do something. Say if you refuse to do an order, you might hear in
response "You don't want to end up on the RPF do you?" It does not
take much prodding after hearing that because they have made it into a
fate worse than death. Well when I was routing out (leaving) of the
Sea Org in Oct 1994 one of my jobs involved cleaning an Incomm storage
room in the basement under PAC Base. Realize that there are tunnels
and rooms under that whole block and they connect up all the buildings
there. Well I remember it is down there that the RPF live out most of
there time while on the RPF. Well I had to sweep part of this area
and I remember seeing piping that was coated with asbestos (the white
kind) and knew it was not ok to breathe this stuff. Well you can
imagine sweeping stirs all this dust up and I don't know how those
people on the RPF could stand living down there. IThere are a lot of
exposed pipes under thsis building and when a pipe or telephone cable,
etc needed to be worked on this asbestos would be disturbed. Not a
good thing to do. Well anyway I remember commenting to someone
responsible for the maintenance for the PAC Base about the asbestos
and being told they were looking into having it removed. They have a
hugh boiler room full of this stuff. Not sure if they removed it or
how but not something i wanted to be part of. I remember watching
Lawrence Woodcraft's video about the Freewinds and the blue asbestos.
Thanks for making us aware of that Lawrence. Speaking of the
Woodcrafts I knew Astra that was over at ITO (International Training
Org). Hi Astra! I am glad to see you are out and when you told your
stories I knew of some of the people/incidents you were referring to.
Thanks again Warrior,
Edwin Bickel
> Ed,
>
> Congratulations on regaining your life back!
> Looking forward to your posts here on ARS.
>
>
> Susan
Hi Susan,
Thanks.
Edwin Bickel
> There must be plenty of Sea Org members reaching retirement age. What
> happens to them? Do they get "offloaded"? What do they do afterwards?
> --
> Clear Cognition: "I am mocking up my own reactive mind" ~$40,000
> OT8 cognition: "Now I know who I am NOT and am interested in
> finding out who I am" ~$300,000
Hi Roland,
That is a good question. I don't recall any mention of a retirement
plan when I joind the SO. And at the time staff pay was $25/week
(that is if the stats were up). So unless these elderly members have
some other form of assistance they will have to look at government
support. Now maybe that is the plan for the new building the Church
recently bought behind the Ft. Harrison. Could it be a SO Retirement
Home. What would there stats be?
Edwin Bickel
That is funny. Reminds me of a story I heard about an OT 8 that would
play the "Sound of Music" music before going into session to make sure
the needle floated.
Later,
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
ebi...@cent.com
"Roland" <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<nft68.7392$IY1.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
kumbia
PIPS Dont believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY OR HARD WORK, they Believe in
LIVING OFF the hard work of OTHER VALUE PRODUCERS
PIPS CONTINUE TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS PIPS justice will be served, everyone
will profit...
©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:04:49 -0000.
> In Message-ID: <g%r68.6573$sU.10...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>
> From: "Roland" <roland.rash...@virgin.net>.
> Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Dear OT Ambassador and/or Home Solo NOTs
> Auditor,:
>
> >There must be plenty of Sea Org members reaching retirement age. What
> >happens to them? Do they get "offloaded"? What do they do afterwards?
>
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DEVELOPMENT
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©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ wrote:
On 31 Jan 2002 14:45:14 -0500.
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MORON!
Read the law you dizzy cunt, and stop bothering people who know these
things. You are simply not able to read the law, are you?
God damned fucking bullshit artist, that's all you are. Now get the hell
out of things you're too stupid to understand!
SAZ
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©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ wrote:
On 31 Jan 2002 14:45:14 -0500.
In Message-ID: <3c59...@news2.lightlink.com>
MORON!
Read the law you dizzy cunt, and stop bothering people who know these
things. You are simply not able to read the law, are you?
God damned fucking bullshit artist, that's all you are. Now get the hell
out of things you're too stupid to understand!
SAZ
--
CANT MAKE ACCURATE OBSERVATIONS WAY BEYOND THEIR ABILITY but they can PIP!
©Anti-PIP® - www.innocent.value.producers.earth
Honesty is a solid, indivisible word. No one disputes its meaning. Honesty
denotes a volitional
process that is identical for every conscious being. Honesty is the exact
thinking and acting
process that professional value destroyers must becloud in order to live
off the value producers.
Who are Pips?
Generally pips are dishonest losers who produce few if any competitive
values for others and
society. They seldom if ever exert the hard efforts required to do
something really excellent with
their lives -- something about which they can be proud.
Pips are people who purposely attack values by distorting out-of-context
fragments of those
values. Using those distortions, pips attack values with false but
logical-sounding criticisms. They
often conjure up straw men to bash. ...Pips create problems where none
exist.
What Does Pipping Mean? Why Do Losers Pip?
Pipping involves attacking values by isolating out-of-context fragments of
the achievements
produced by others or their businesses. Pipping means building one's ego by
manipulating with
words rather than by producing genuine values. Pipping is done to make a
loser appear superior
to and more moral than the achievements or businesses being attacked.
Pips reject any response that places their distorted fragments back into
context. Pips refuse to
understand the full context of the values they are attacking. They are not
interested in values,
honesty, accuracy, answers, explanations, or learning. They are only
interested in the level of ego
enhancement they can conjure up through spurious attacks on values. Thus,
once pipping is
detected, further communication or argument is worthless and should cease
so no more
irreplaceable time is wasted. A principled template such as this becomes an
effective response.
The attacking pip will then stand alone, recognized as someone seeking
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Hence, malicious, attack-mode pips will first vanish from cyberspace and
then from the world.
...Justice will be served. Everyone will profit.
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ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote:
Thanks for taking the time in answering my so elaborately.
>> Edwin, can you tell if and how ABLE let you play the 'we are no
>> scientology' card, if that ever occured?
>
>Yes it would occur and ABLE would have PR seminars/workshops on how to
>handle it. I could never quite grasp it as ABLE is a Sea Org Org and
>the different outreach groups are (Narconon, Criminon, Way to
>Happiness & Applied Scholastics) license to use LRH tech and ABLE is
>senior to these groups and I believe CSI (Church of Scientology) is
>senior to all of them. The organization lines are hard to keep
>straight as it went through another command line change awhile back.
Interesting! I believe too, ABLE is subordinate organization of CSI.
Is there anyway to find out how the command line has changed?
>What I do know is ABLE International is located in the HGB (Hollywood
>Guarntee Building) and they do wear Sea Org uniforms and who runs all
>that RTC, ASI, CST? I do know for the most part you can't fool the
>non scientology public who find out it is L. Ron Hubbard and that
>means Scientology in their mind. Now if you ask 100 Scientologists
>you will more than likely get 100 different answers to this question.
I don't get this. Aren't regular scientologists aware ABLE is Sea Org?
>From time to time the IAS (International Associationn of
>Scientologists) grants money to these various non-profit
>organizations. Now that money does not come without a string
>attached. You will find people like Rick Pendry who got a grant for
>"his" Criminon program travelling around giving briefings alongside
>the IAS reges at the various orgs and regging donations for the IAS.
>It seems to be an unwritten requiremet to get an IAS grant. You have
>to fill back up the coffers.
>
>LRH said "The study tech is our bridge to society" so get ready for
>the next program to get new members. You will find Applied
>Scholastics has moved to:
>
>Applied Scholastics International
>3501 S. Harbor Blvd.
>Santa Ana, CA 92704
It is a wellknow scieno-center.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9605230242.03SLS06%40support.com&output=gplain
Carlson, Evelyn
Santa Ana CA 92704
http://www.scientology-kills.org/World_Institute_of_Scientology/C/c.htm
Hall, James
Santa Ana CA 92704
http://www.scientology-kills.org/World_Institute_of_Scientology/H/h.htm
Morgan Rogers
Life Care Wellness Institute
3500 S. Bristol, Suite 200
Santa Ana, CA, 92704
http://www.thetadirectory.com/index/whitepages.html
>> Everyone who invests a couple of minutes on the 'net will know
>> ABLE/WISE
>> are scientology related entities but yet they like to keep the link out
>> of the picture. I have seen a lot of BS on that, up and until the point of
>> dis-owning Narconon by an OSA PR. Both organizations fascinate me.
>
>Well notice my commendation at:
>
> http://www.HenryBickel.com
>
>and you will see the ABLE Flag address as the same as the Ft. Harrison
>Hotel. You will also see the CC's link to church officals up the so
>called command line. I guess you could say the church has a vested
>interest in these "outreach programs" for PR purposes as well as
>potential routes for new members to get on "The Bridge".
That is the take on it of most people here. That CC to FSO is telling :-)
>> I saw your commendation on your site from ABLE and the quote of the
>> 'special zone plan'. What did you think of that plan when you first read
>> that?
>
>You know i can't recall what that plan is but I do remember reading
>it. i think it had to do with you as a Scientologist getting out into
>the community and joining different social/professional groups and
>climbing your way into a position of power. Now you achieved this by
>using the tech of LRH so you can show and tell others to get them
>involved. Or something close to that.
Yes, that's right. What did you think of that? I tell you, if I was part
of an church and believed to be partaking in a religion, then i would have
found such plans a bit off putting.
>
>>
>>
>> Yep, I know I ask a lot of questions. Feel free to skip the ones you don't
>> want to answer.
>
>I answered them to the best of my knowledge. Can I go see the
>examiner now? :)
Sure! :-)
> I don't know about any of you who are lurking out
>there that have been to a Scientology Examiner before to attest after
>finishing a course but I can recall exactly when they changed the way
>of conducting an exam. I could not believe how long you have to sit
>there and wait before they say "Thank you very much your needle is
>floating" or for those not so lucky they don't say that and off to
>cramming you go and then more than likely a trip to the ethics office!
I have never been a scientologist so can't say anything usefull on that.
What I know if the doctrine, I've learned from Hubbard texts.
My take on it is that a positive attitude helps with achieving your
dreams/goals, but if you don't posses the needed intellectual
capacity/physical endurance/ect, your 'postulate' alone will not suffice.
A one armed man can think positivly of his own abillities of knocking out
Mike Tyson in the ring, but we both know the outcome already.
Btw, elsewhere you asked for theCode of a Sea Org Member. It's below.
Thanks for you time, Edwin.
===
1). I promise to uphold, forward and carry out Command Intention.
2). I promise to use Dianetics and Scientology for the greatest good
for the greatest number of dynamics.
3). I promise to help get ethics in on this planet and the universe.
4). I promise to do my part to achieve the Sea Org's humanitarian
objective which is to create a safe environment where the Fourth Dynamic
engram can be audited out.
5). I promise to uphold the fact that duty is the Sea Org member's
true motivation, which is the highest motivation there is.
6). I promis to keep my own personal ethics in and to uphold beyond
all compromise the honor, integrity and true discipline that is the Sea
Org's heritage and tradition.
7). I promise to effectively lead, care for and train those under my
charge and to ensure they keep their own ethic in and if that fails to
take action with fair and legal justice.
8). I promise to take responsibility for the preservation and the
continued full and exact use of the technologies of Dianetics and
Scientology.
9). I promise to exemplify in my conduct the belief that to command
is to serve and that a being is only as valuable as he can serve others.
10). I promise to improve my worth to the Sea Org and mankind by regu-
larly advancing my knowledge of and ability to apply the truths and tech-
nologies of Dianetics and Scientology.
11). I promise to accept and fulfill to the utmost of my ability the
responsibilities whatever they may be and wherever they may carry me in
the line of duty.
12). I promise to be competent and effective at all times and never try
to explain away or justify ineffectiveness nor minimize the true power
that I am.
13). I promise, at all times, to set a desirable example in appearance,
conduct and production to fellow Sea Org members and the area in which I
operate.
14). I promise to demand that my fellow Sea Org members not fall short
of the ideals and spirit of the Sea Org.
15). I promise to do my part to protect and further the image of the
Sea Org.
16). I promise to come to the defense of the Sea Org and fellow Sea
Org members whenever needed.
17). I promise through my actions to increase the power of the Sea Org
and decrease the power of any enemy.
18). I promise to make things go right and to persist until they do.
====
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Mike Gormez
--
"Ron once said that if you make a person confront themselves it
would make them sick. I did, one day in conversation and after
about five minutes my guinea pig vomited. Validation by Ron!"
http://members.ams.chello.nl/mgormez/fun/pig.txt
Edwin Bickel
Michael 'Mike' Gormez - www.taxexemptchildabuse.net <mi...@psychassualt.org> wrote in message news:<a3i1bu.3vva3sh.1@We_put_the_bzzzzz_in_ECT.hce3b1612.invalid>...
> In article <27d86a60.02013...@posting.google.com>,
> ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote:
>
> Thanks for taking the time in answering my so elaborately.
You are welcome.
>
> >> Edwin, can you tell if and how ABLE let you play the 'we are no
> >> scientology' card, if that ever occured?
> >
> >Yes it would occur and ABLE would have PR seminars/workshops on how to
> >handle it. I could never quite grasp it as ABLE is a Sea Org Org and
> >the different outreach groups are (Narconon, Criminon, Way to
> >Happiness & Applied Scholastics) license to use LRH tech and ABLE is
> >senior to these groups and I believe CSI (Church of Scientology) is
> >senior to all of them. The organization lines are hard to keep
> >straight as it went through another command line change awhile back.
>
> Interesting! I believe too, ABLE is subordinate organization of CSI.
> Is there anyway to find out how the command line has changed?
Maybe someone out here has a current command line structure they could
share.
>
> >What I do know is ABLE International is located in the HGB (Hollywood
> >Guarntee Building) and they do wear Sea Org uniforms and who runs all
> >that RTC, ASI, CST? I do know for the most part you can't fool the
> >non scientology public who find out it is L. Ron Hubbard and that
> >means Scientology in their mind. Now if you ask 100 Scientologists
> >you will more than likely get 100 different answers to this question.
>
> I don't get this. Aren't regular scientologists aware ABLE is Sea Org?
Not necessarily. If I did not have first hand experience of seeing it
with my own 2 eyes i may have never realized just how connected they
are. I am sure every ABLE program would be severly effected if the
real staff at ABLE were seen in their Sea Org uniforms. Especially
the Executives with their campaign bars/decorations. If you were to
see a picture of this with no words to describe it you would ask
yourself why is the military doing involved with drugh rehabilitation,
crime prevention, educating our kids and promoting morals. I think
most people would see it for what it really is if they were to wear
the Sea Org uniforms in public. But there are different dress codes
for different activities. When you are out in public you wear
"civilian clothes" certain occasions require a more formal Sea Org
uniform dress code. You remember the Wizzard of OZ and how he hid
behind the curtain. Well same applys to the ABLE staff and wearing
their real uniforms out in public.
Glad that helped.
>
> >> I saw your commendation on your site from ABLE and the quote of the
> >> 'special zone plan'. What did you think of that plan when you first read
> >> that?
> >
> >You know i can't recall what that plan is but I do remember reading
> >it. i think it had to do with you as a Scientologist getting out into
> >the community and joining different social/professional groups and
> >climbing your way into a position of power. Now you achieved this by
> >using the tech of LRH so you can show and tell others to get them
> >involved. Or something close to that.
>
> Yes, that's right. What did you think of that? I tell you, if I was part
> of an church and believed to be partaking in a religion, then i would have
> found such plans a bit off putting.
Yes as i did as well. Once a connection is formed between you and
Scientology/LRH then you become pretty much limited on what you can
do. Being in Criminon we were always faced with issues relating to
the use/connection of Hubbard/Scientology. We made trips to
Tallahassee, Florida to meet with various officials of the Department
of Corrections and Department of Juvenille Justice. You start seeing
the writting on the wall with the red tape you encounter that they are
not interested. Now this will be credited to the evil psyches and
such and for those who are not "OT" there is more information you
will learn about what is "really" going on on this planet as you move
up "The Bridge".
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep, I know I ask a lot of questions. Feel free to skip the ones you don't
> >> want to answer.
> >
> >I answered them to the best of my knowledge. Can I go see the
> >examiner now? :)
>
> Sure! :-)
Oh darn, my needle is not floating, I must have not told you
everything. Off to cramming I go. ;-)
>
> > I don't know about any of you who are lurking out
> >there that have been to a Scientology Examiner before to attest after
> >finishing a course but I can recall exactly when they changed the way
> >of conducting an exam. I could not believe how long you have to sit
> >there and wait before they say "Thank you very much your needle is
> >floating" or for those not so lucky they don't say that and off to
> >cramming you go and then more than likely a trip to the ethics office!
>
> I have never been a scientologist so can't say anything usefull on that.
Consider yourself fortunate. From doing the "Student Hat" course.
There are tapes you listen to regarding study called "The Study
Tapes". Well part of what i learned applies to what you just said.
There are 2 ways to learn. One is by experience and the other is by
reading others experiences. Consider yourself fortunate that you have
been able to read others experiences about this group so you did not
have to experience it first hand for yourself.
This reminded me of a time I asked one of the Gold reps at Flag
regarding one of the Admiration tapes. While listening to the tape I
could hear L. Ron Hubbard being echoed (repeated 3 times) in the
background at a low level what he had just said. It remided me about
a tape set I bought years before scientology that had subliminal
messages on it so I became acustomed of how a subliminal message was
masked and how it would sound. The Gold rep went on without a beat
and PR'ed it and said it was probably a tape that had been re-recorded
over and if I brought it in she would exchange it (I never did
exchange it as I believed it did contain messages on it and they were
covering it up). I must have a good ear for this as I have picked up
this effect on numerous LRH tapes. Even some of the old "Essential in
Auditing Series" tapes. Now add to that you are supposed to listen to
these tapes on the tape decks that Gold sells as they are capable of
replaying it in "Clear Sound". All I can say is if there are messages
behind the tapes, that may explain some of the reasons as to why it is
so hard for Scientologists to wake up and leave.
> What I know if the doctrine, I've learned from Hubbard texts.
Well I have since thrown away all my L. Ron Hubbard library
books/tapes. I did not want to sell them or give them away as I did
not want to be partly responsible for anyone else getting interested
in this group from a book they may have bought that I had sold. All I
can say is that it was a very therapeutic experience throwing them in
the trash can.
You are right. I guess the point I was trying to make was that as a
Scientologist you are led to believe that L. Ron Hubbard wrote that
but it was really written in a book Napoleon Hill wrote in 1937. Many
people assumed Hubard wrote it. When I saw that one it was icing on
the cake that this group does alter, change and add tech to fit their
true agenda whatever that is.
>
>
>
> Btw, elsewhere you asked for theCode of a Sea Org Member. It's below.
>
> Thanks for you time, Edwin.
>
> ===
> 1). I promise to uphold, forward and carry out Command Intention.
I remember more than one survey being done to find out what you
thought "Command Intention" was. Maybe they did not know themselves
and wanted to find out what most people thought it was and incorporate
that into their actions so they would be better accepted?
>
> 2). I promise to use Dianetics and Scientology for the greatest good
> for the greatest number of dynamics.
Well the Sea Org leaves out the second dynamic on this one as you
can't have kids in the sea org. If you do get pregnant while in the
Sea Org you are sec checked and most of the time routed out. That is
if they cannot convince the couple that the best thing to do would be
to have an abortion. While I was the "Temporary" Course Admin at
ITO, I witnessed this with Gavin Potter and his wife. She became
pregnant and they were mentally caving her into to have an abortion as
it was the greatest good for the greatest number. See, Gsvin was the
top Sea Org recruiter and loosing him was not acceptable. What was
acceptable was for his wife to have an abortion. Well she did not and
they eventually routed out. I can remember she would be in tears most
of the tiem. So this is flawed in the eyes of operating on every
dynamic.
>
> 3). I promise to help get ethics in on this planet and the universe.
>
> 4). I promise to do my part to achieve the Sea Org's humanitarian
> objective which is to create a safe environment where the Fourth Dynamic
> engram can be audited out.
Maybe someone would like to tell us what the "Fourth Dynamic Engram"
is?
>
> 5). I promise to uphold the fact that duty is the Sea Org member's
> true motivation, which is the highest motivation there is.
Actually it is fear.
>
> 6). I promis to keep my own personal ethics in and to uphold beyond
> all compromise the honor, integrity and true discipline that is the Sea
> Org's heritage and tradition.
>
> 7). I promise to effectively lead, care for and train those under my
> charge and to ensure they keep their own ethic in and if that fails to
> take action with fair and legal justice.
>
> 8). I promise to take responsibility for the preservation and the
> continued full and exact use of the technologies of Dianetics and
> Scientology.
Yeah, like the IAS donations have been utilized to make sure this
happens. Since they have failed at their mission it really exposes
the fraud. I will not give up on getting my money back from the IAS.
>
> 9). I promise to exemplify in my conduct the belief that to command
> is to serve and that a being is only as valuable as he can serve others.
Yeah, for $25/week if the stats are up and you are not in lower
conditions.
>
> 10). I promise to improve my worth to the Sea Org and mankind by regu-
> larly advancing my knowledge of and ability to apply the truths and tech-
> nologies of Dianetics and Scientology.
>
> 11). I promise to accept and fulfill to the utmost of my ability the
> responsibilities whatever they may be and wherever they may carry me in
> the line of duty.
Later I found out this includes other planets as Earth is considered
Target One. So for you believers, get ready to balst off in your
spaceships to carry the tech to other planets. Remember you will be
doing this for a billion years as that is what you agreed to when
signing your Sea Org contract.
>
> 12). I promise to be competent and effective at all times and never try
> to explain away or justify ineffectiveness nor minimize the true power
> that I am.
>
> 13). I promise, at all times, to set a desirable example in appearance,
> conduct and production to fellow Sea Org members and the area in which I
> operate.
>
> 14). I promise to demand that my fellow Sea Org members not fall short
> of the ideals and spirit of the Sea Org.
>
> 15). I promise to do my part to protect and further the image of the
> Sea Org.
>
> 16). I promise to come to the defense of the Sea Org and fellow Sea
> Org members whenever needed.
>
> 17). I promise through my actions to increase the power of the Sea Org
> and decrease the power of any enemy.
>
> 18). I promise to make things go right and to persist until they do.
> ====
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=nl&selm=33A36075.26C0%40sprintmail.com
>
>
Thanks for finding that Mike,
It was very interesting rereading this now that i am out.
All I can say is that the above code was drilled into us everyday so
it was automatic. It was learned by wrote repetition. In the
mornings we would whisper it at muster so we would not wake the
executives.
Later,
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
>
> Mike Gormez
Phil Chitester
>
> My name is Edwin Bickel and I use to be a Scientologist, Sea Org
> member at Incomm (International Network of Computer Organized
> Management), as well as Deputy ED Criminon Florida which is an ABLE
> activity (Association for Better Living through Education).
What are you now if no longer a Scientologist? A complete failure in
life? A subhuman creature who has no possible future existence in
which anything anyone would recognize as true happiness will ever be
found?
Why did you leave? Wasn't it because of overts? Weren't or aren't
you indeed merely trying to withold yourself from harming it? I have
found that to be true for me.
> I am glad
> to say that I am no longer part of Scientology or any of its related
> groups.
In other words, you think that they are better off for your absence?
Were you particularly dangerous or destructive to some part of their
organizations or activities? Were you a threat to mankind in your
position or positions?
> It took a number of years for me to realize that quite a few
> alterations, deletions and additions have systematically taken place
> over the years with what L. Ron Hubard had written and it does not
> take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is being done from the
> top down.
The top down approach to policy and tech development and dissemination
was found to be quite workable? Does this mean 'from or by LRH
himself,' or are you in agreement now that man is merely an animal and
that no one can exist without a meat body? Does it give you pleasure
to think that that is the case?
Are there no OTs? No such thing as a spirit?
> One of the most revealing pieces of L. Ron Hubbards works being
> altered, deleted or added to is "The No-Interference Area Clarified
> And Re-Enforced":
>
> CS Series 73RA (12 pages)
>
> which is now
>
> CS Series 73RB (5 pages) Revised 2 August 1990
So, the issue was shortened. You don't suppose that there could have
been any unnecessary additives in it, do you, or that the data cut out
appears elsewhere or was moved elsewhere? Any comment?
> Golly gee, if L. Ron Hubbard passed away in 1986, who gave authority
> for 7 pages to be removed? hummmmmmm
Hmm, if LRH is dead, then all that telepathic communication I've had
with him since 1991, might actually have come instead from .... THE
FREEKZONE!!!!??????? Please tell me that this isn't so. Please?
You're probably just another psycho lamer who it appears will never
break through the psychiatric brainwash about the truly spiritual
nature of mankind.
Why not here respond to my posting and prove it even more? I'll let
you. I'll watch and see if you can provide any verifiable proof
otherwise. I doubt it.
> For those of you who have had trouble "Repairing Past Ethics
> Conditions" it may be related to the deletion, alterations and
> additions to this policy. This is "Repairing Past Ethics Conditions":
>
> HCO PL 19 December 1982
>
> and now
>
> HCO PL 19 December 1982R Revised 2 June 1990.
>
> Well if you review the above 2 references I think you will see my
> point.
Perhaps one can believe your point, only on the basis that you have
indicated that some changes have occurred. That datum may be correct,
but the implication that it was a destructive or harmful change is
certainly not a forgone conclusion, in spite of what you are convinced
that you should try and convince people of now. Can you spell Nazi
propagandist?
If I review the above 2 references you have mentioned and I am as
trained as the average reader here, I will still know that Cocoa Puffs
are quite delicious, but there will be no way that I can confirm any
such derogatory implication as you have tried to drag people into
verifying for you.
And the probabilities are very high that a person such as yourself is
not offering people any true data whatsoever, or you would not bring
it up in this newsgroup in the first place. True data doesn't have to
be 'confirmed' on a.r.s. it merely has to be observed to be true data.
Ergo, posting anything on a.r.s. which is derogatory with regard to
the Church is a valueless pursuit. You should have known that by now.
I've just brought you up to speed on that.
Malicious derogatory implications and rumors about Scientology or its
management have no place on a public forum founded by
anti-Scientologists. Only an honest expose of the true nature of
anti-Scientologists and their activities does.
This newsgroup is only about anti-Scientologists anyway, isn't it?
It's not about Scientology, that is for sure, not the real Scientology
or its Founder, both of which/whom millions have now come to know and
love.
Let's hear more about the evildoing that SPs do on a routine daily
basis. That's what the readers are craving more knowledge of. Aren't
they?
You be first. What gross overts have you committed in the last day or
week? The people here know all about 'high crimes' per Scientology
policy. Open the flood gates and let it flow. Let the real truth be
known. Unburden yourself before you just keel over dead from a
guilty... oh, I forgot, SPs have no conscience. Just forget it then.
> Another so called outpoint regarding this group are 2 OT Ambassadors,
> OT8's, WISE Consultants & Executives at the Mace Kingsley Ranch in
> Reserve New Mexico for troubled kids. That is Randy & Molly Baxter.
> Well as I have tried over the years to collect on monies owed to me
> and my family it has fallen on deaf ears to say the least. Now is
> that any way for 2 high level representatives of Scientology to act.
It is quite debatable that you know anything useful to tell us about
these people. Are they high criminals? Or are you merely nitpicking
to create a dark and evil impression of them? Perhaps they detected
that you were or were to become an anti-Scientologist (enemy of all
life) and so acted accordingly. You would of course insist that it
was not their right to do so. I would of course insist that it isn't
any of your business what people's rights are anymore. You are
disqualified from being the judge of such things, if your judgment on
the effectiveness, ethicality, goodness and dedicatedness of
Scientology is so flawed that you are leading people here to believe
that it is in any aspect or area an even remotely harmful or evil
thing, which it isn't and never has been, and never will be
apparently, unless critics of it have their way.
I believe you are typical of the evil a.r.s. poster in that you are
omitting many relevant details of the real story of your membership in
the Church and subsequent rejection by them. For instance, the fact
that you are evil. You are omitting that one, aren't you? Of course
you are.
Critics of the Church perhaps wish to pervert it to their own evil
ends, that is why they are seen constantly obsessively commenting on
it. To accomplish this one of their strategies is just to convince
people that it is already the way they wish it was.
But it is not, was never, and never will be as the critics imply that
it is or was, thankfully.
> This violates a number of precepts talked about in "The Way to
> Happiness" as well.
I believe you should not be looked upon as being a valid judge of how
anyone is violating those precepts, whilst you yourself are seen to be
violating one of them in your post, that of the warning 'do not bear
false witness.'
Violators of that precept automatically should not be trusted to
provide accurate testimony as to the nature of or the conduct of
others, obviously.
> Is this the kind of example to be setting for the
> kids at the rach? Now that I am no longer a member of Scientology I
> can pursue legal action to recoup what is owed and that is in the
> works. So the Baxter's affiliation with Scientology and why it has
> taken so long for me to pursue a legal course of action will become
> part of court records soon. The purchase of a Paso Fino horse by
> Randy & Molly Baxter with monies from a business loan from my family
> that were to go to Precision Resources that have not been paid back
> will also be explained to the judge as well.
Will he be having explained to him how you have turned on the only
religious movement which has been proven able enough to actually save
the souls of man, and decided instead out of avarice that you are also
to be one of the 'chosen ones' (read resurrected Nazi elite) to decide
for everyone else that they should also be committed to spitting upon
it and even attempting to wreck it by spreading false derogatory lies
about it, rather than accepting it for the greatest and strongest
religious group or organization which has ever existed in known
history, which it is?
Of course not, the truth is irrelevant to a Nazi SS elite type, isn't
it?
> I am also confused about the IAS (International Association of
> Scientologists) policy regarding refunds. I am a Sponsor of the IAS.
> You can see my picture at:
>
> http://www.HenryBickel.com
>
> Why can some people get a refund and others can't?
Who would want to be an Indian giver with regards to this very vital
organization, which only seeks to protect the religion from ignorant
critical filth like yourself? Perhaps it is that they wish merely to
save the money to defend themselves from the unjustified lawsuits
which you potentially are interested in bringing against them on
specious and unfounded claims of harm which never occurred like the
imaginary 'reverse processing' you claim elsewhere to have received.
Could that be the case? When is your first barratrous legal action
scheduled?
> I seem to fall
> into the category of the cant's. As many of you may know I spent time
> up in Tallahassee Florida at the state capitol displaying the Criminon
> booth in the Rotunda during the first week of legislation over the
> years. During that time I made many contacts with state reps and
> congressmen. Well as I can't seem to get Lise Cohee of the IAS to
> explain why some IAS refunds are given and some are'nt she leaves me
> no choice but to pursue governmental assistance through resources at
> the state capitol. I will be speaking of the International
> Association of Scientologists as I seek assistance through resources
> at the state capitol regarding the IAS and refunds.
See. What did I just say? You're just another suppressive then. I
think perhaps it will eventually just be 'suppressive season' but for
now, I am glad they did not give you a refund. They could do or
purchase something useful with it. You would not. That means that it
is the greatest good, isn't that obvious from what you have stated? I
think so.
> Another matter that goes unanswered is trying to get off of
> Scientology related mailing list(s).
I made a simple telepathic request quite a few years ago and within a
short period of a few months, I was off their lists. It was handled
at Int or Flag, because I was getting tired of 'receiving without
contributing' from the Scientology orgs. Over the years, Flag promo
had been quite life saving for me, but I did practically nothing for
them and I decided I did not want that one way flow to continue. But
I did continue to read promo addressed to others which came to where I
was staying and when the addressees discarded them I filed them for
later reference, as I did not agree that they should be just thrown
away.
Scientology promotional materials are always quite uplifting and
enlightening and very good sources of true data. Could you not stand
to see such goodness anymore?
<snip crap re how flag e-mail is such a threat to your existence>
>
> Well that is all for now and thanks for reading,
>
> Edwin Bickel
> Clearwater, Florida
> ebi...@cent.com
No thanks. You've proven you're just another SP to everyone. That's
all you've done.
Phil
Michael 'Mike' Gormez - www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
ebi...@cent.com (Edwin Bickel) wrote:
just a quicky reply for times sake
>> 4). I promise to do my part to achieve the Sea Org's humanitarian
>> objective which is to create a safe environment where the Fourth Dynamic
>> engram can be audited out.
>
>Maybe someone would like to tell us what the "Fourth Dynamic Engram"
>is?
That would be the engrams inflicted upon mankind as described in OT3.
75mil years ago.
A person is Clear on the first dynamic. It is necessary, to
become OT, to became cleared on all dynamics, including that
of society and that of the physical universe.
-- Ron's Journal 1967
Edwin Bickel
> On 3 Feb 2002 16:11:18 -0800.
> In Message-ID: <b24952a.02020...@posting.google.com>
> From: dpchi...@yahoo.com (Phil Chitester).
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Dear OT Ambassador and/or Home Solo NOTs
> Auditor,:
>
>
> What else is there to add really?
>
> Nothing I believe.
>
> SAZ
>
>
Thanks Saz,
You are so right.
And most likely Church of Scientology Sea Org member from OSA or one
of the few OT7's or OT8's. Lets see, Phil rhymes with Bill so it is
probably Bill as they are afraid to use their real names. More
Wizzards behind the curtain like in the Wizzard of Oz.
Edwin Bickel
Clearwater, Florida
ebi...@cent.com
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