Anyone seen a black $cientologist?
BM
asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
to this $cientology bull-crap.
barb
Most of them are white, yeah. But, I've run into a few Latino, Asian,
and Black scientologists. Considering how Hubbard felt about other
races, I view them as a curiosity...much as I would marvel at anyone who
would join a group called 'Jews for Hitler.'
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Feisty
BM <mailto:n...@aol.co> wrote in message
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> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
> asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
> to this $cientology bull-crap.
If that doesn't say enough about Scientology being rascist. Yes there are a
few"
"minority" members, (and ex-members), but the sad fact is, - elron was
prejudiced and unless someone has enough money to "enter the long portal to
hell" well, people of all colors, races and ethnic groups are authomatically
not included in this religion.
Ron has made slanderous comments about Chinese. But that is a rule that
Scientologists would have to overlook if they want to co-habitate in this
world.
Jesse Prince (LMT) is the only African-American (ex-member) that I have ever
heard of.
Maybe someone else here knows of any members.
Sends a "clear" statement, doesn't it? The truth is not for everyone.
Although, so many people who study are not out in the world to outreach. They
have no time,
and it almost seems that they become reclusive. That to me repreats that
"anti"
religion philosphy.
Feisty
Coolvibe
>
> BM wrote:
> >
> > Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
> > asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
> > to this $cientology bull-crap.
>
> Most of them are white, yeah. But, I've run into a few Latino, Asian,
> and Black scientologists. Considering how Hubbard felt about other
> races, I view them as a curiosity...much as I would marvel at anyone who
> would join a group called 'Jews for Hitler.'
Yeah, well... I guess money is colourless. Don't matter where it's from,
they'll take it.
Cheers,
Coolvibe
--
Roaches are more powerful than OTs.
RDT
>but the sad fact is, - elron was
>prejudiced and unless someone has enough money to "enter the long portal to
>hell" well, people of all colors, races and ethnic groups are authomatically
>not included in this religion.
Isn't Chick Corea a Latino Scientologist? In all fairness to LRH, a
LOT of people of that generation were prejudiced. Doesn't make it right,
but it also seems profoundly unfair to judge him by today's standards when
so many people of better moral character than LRH were also racists.
BTW, I was watching Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me today.
Doesn't "Fat Bastard" look eerily like a caricature of L. Ron Hubbard?
Have others already made that observation?
RDT
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Gotta promise not to stop when I say when...
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Fluffygirl
"BM" <n...@aol.co,> wrote in message
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> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist?
Yes. I've met some.
C
Chris Leithiser
> BTW, I was watching Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me today.
> Doesn't "Fat Bastard" look eerily like a caricature of L. Ron Hubbard?
> Have others already made that observation?
Actually, the caricature of LRH is to be found in "Battlefield
Earth"--the bloated, ineffective dictator who set up the operation for
his own personal gain, only to be defeated by his own hatchet-man with
forged documents and psychiatric drugs.
Chip Gallo
Pat of course works in Flag PR now.
Chip
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ptsc
>BM <mailto:n...@aol.co> wrote in message
>news:vnehbtkisc593ap29...@4ax.com...
>> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
>> asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
>> to this $cientology bull-crap.
>If that doesn't say enough about Scientology being rascist. Yes there are a
>few"
>"minority" members, (and ex-members), but the sad fact is, - elron was
>prejudiced and unless someone has enough money to "enter the long portal to
>hell" well, people of all colors, races and ethnic groups are authomatically
>not included in this religion.
>Ron has made slanderous comments about Chinese. But that is a rule that
>Scientologists would have to overlook if they want to co-habitate in this
>world.
>Jesse Prince (LMT) is the only African-American (ex-member) that I have ever
>heard of.
>Maybe someone else here knows of any members.
When walking by the NYC org one day, I looked in and noticed the receptionist
was a black woman. I have also seen a photograph of various Flag execs and one
of them was black. Jesse Prince, incidentally, was number two, so apparently
it doesn't prevent you from getting a position of "authority" in the cult, but
also recall that Jesse has discussed how Miscavige would always yell at him and
call him a "dumb nigger" and throw other racist epithets at him. I think
that's less institutionalized racism than calculated button-pushing.
Apparently they're making inroads into the Indian community around LA, and I
know of a few Asians, though none in positions of authority.
And of course L. Ron Hubbard's own personal racism is too well-documented even
to bother going in to.
ptsc
M. C. DiPietra
wrote on 3/21/01 9:32 AM:
> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
> asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
> to this $cientology bull-crap.
I forgot to add that the reason I asked Stu in the first place about the
small number of people of color at Flag was that it was extremely
disproportionate to the number of nonwhites living in Clearwater.
http://mp3.com/MaggieCouncil XENU WORLD ORDER CD now available
M.C.DiPietra <mdip...@earthlink.net>, SP4, KoX
"Hell, if you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
M. C. DiPietra
> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
> asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
> to this $cientology bull-crap.
In 1995, when I took my tour of Flag offered by Scientology FSM Stu
Sjourman, I posed this question myself, because when I walked around
downtown Clearwater on a daily basis then, I saw hundreds of white people in
Sea Org uniforms, but only the occasional nonwhite.
Stu's response was twofold: first, Flag was host to many international
visitors, and they'd come in by the planeload from Italy or Germany [heh.
not anymore], so the predominance of white people at Flag was due to that.
Note that this did not explain why there were no "international" visitors
from continents other than Europe. I believe Stu is from Europe, initially.
His other point was that people of color generally spend their money on
material things, rather than spiritual things [remember Hubbard said black
people talk to inanimate objects, like hats, and give them animate
attributes]. At this point, I took my multicultural behind outta there.
Even if you disregard Hubbard's blatant racism, evident in his
well-documented support of apartheid, his perception of different ways to
audit different "races", not to mention his ideas about Chinese people and
American Indians, and write it off as standard for a white man of his
generation and upbringing, there are indications in the very structure of
Scientology (such as its heirarchic, paternalistic nature, linear
progression, grades and charts, and dependence upon written culture over
oral culture) that might appeal through their familiarity more to white
people than to people of color.
Of course, we now know there is, genetically, one human "race" and the
differences between humans is primarily cultural. There are no *significant*
biological distinctions between human beings. (Even things like sickle-cell
anemia occur in other, nonblack populations exposed to malaria). There is
more genetic variation *within* one so-called "race" than *between* them.
But that's another newsgroup.
-m., human being
Roland
There's quite a few black ones. Hell, one even worked his way up to
second-in-command.
Roland
--
"I notice that we all believe that Venus has a methane atmosphere and
is unlivable. I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other
day -- didn't look very uncivilized to me." - L. Ron Hubbard,
"Between Lives Implants" lecture, SHSBC #317. 23 July 1963.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram
Kevin Brady
"BM" <n...@aol.co,> wrote in message
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> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
> asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
> to this $cientology bull-crap.
Nope. My friend Bobby Brown of Boston Org was the HCO Area Secretary for
FDN staff, and he was blacker than midnight. The HCO staff for day included
an Iranian woman named Mitra Ghobadi. But I would say it is predominantly a
white phenomenon.
XxxMisterEarlxxx
> Isn't Chick Corea a Latino Scientologist?
I have the idea he's of Portugese heritage.
> In all fairness to LRH, a
>LOT of people of that generation were prejudiced. Doesn't make it right,
>but it also seems profoundly unfair to judge him by today's standards when
>so many people of better moral character than LRH were also racists.
Fair enough.Judge him by the standards of the time he made racist statements
in the 50's and 60's.You know,the Civil Rights Movement era.He was born in
1911,not 1811.He was supposedly college-educated and a veteran of WW ll,and had
ample opportunity to acquaint himself with more enlightened ways of thinking
than he'd presumably grown up with.
He should have damn well known better than to make idiotic racist
pronouncements about the "Southern Negro" in the 50's and the "black African"
in the 60's.
Especially when claiming to be the most advanced thinker in History.
He not only couldn't "clear" his own ignorant racism,he also couldn't stop
himself from blathering about it,once he had a group of followers hanging on
his every word.
Judging him by the standards of his time,my late father,born in 1906,would
have given him a big "Flunk."
Ebner59
magazine story -
http://www.drasticmedia.com/Scientology.html
- I ran across a black guy hanging around Big Blue. I asked him why he though
there were few blacks in Scientology. He responded: "Are you kidding me man?
Black folks can spot a shell game a mile away."
Ebner SP4
That Guy
latee 70s, one in particular, and many jewish. It is mostly a white
plague.
Shadow
That Guy
particular, and many jewish. It is mostly a white plague
Shadow
RDT
XxxMisterEarlxxx <xxxmiste...@aol.com> wrote:
> Especially when claiming to be the most advanced thinker in History.
> He not only couldn't "clear" his own ignorant racism,he also couldn't stop
>himself from blathering about it,once he had a group of followers hanging on
>his every word.
True. I guess since I don't think of L. Ron Hubbard as a great man,
it is hard to hold him to a higher standard than I would hold my older
relatives who used to use the n word without batting an eyelash.
Sherilyn
>
>Can't speak for now but I have known a black Scientologiest back in the
>latee 70s, one in particular, and many jewish. It is mostly a white
>plague.
>
Court Road are black--I sometimes look in when I pass. Gullibility
is not a "racial" thing, as far as I am aware. I think it's possible
that membership of certain church congregations may make people more
likely to have heard of scientology in a negative context, and that
this may lead to reduced opportunities for contact.
--
http://www.sherilyn.org.uk/ There is a contact form on the website.
3 Northcote Road, London E17 7DT +44 20 8928 1939
RDT
Alec
"RDT" wrote in message <99b9vu$gi9$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
Yup. Charles Manson practiced black Scientology.
Also David Miscavige practises black Scientology.
Alec
Beverly Rice
Jesse Prince was not only a $cientologist . . .
but a ~TOP~ ranking $cientologist . . .
in deposition accorded the number two spot.
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Total honkeys join Scientology. The brothers join
Farakhan's Nation of Islam.
Both have a lunatic cosmology.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
Dave Bird
XxxMisterEarlxxx <xxxmiste...@aol.com> writes:
> Fair enough.Judge him by the standards of the time he made racist statements
>in the 50's and 60's.You know,the Civil Rights Movement era.He was born in
>1911,not 1811.He was supposedly college-educated and a veteran of WW ll,and had
>ample opportunity to acquaint himself with more enlightened ways of thinking
>than he'd presumably grown up with.
> He should have damn well known better than to make idiotic racist
>pronouncements about the "Southern Negro" in the 50's and the "black African"
>in the 60's.
I don't think he was any more or less enlightened about race
than most ordinary people of his age, class, and background;
it's just how things were then.
In article<B6DE6155.32E25%mdip...@earthlink.net>, M. C. DiPietra
<mdip...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Stu's response was twofold: first, Flag was host to many international
>visitors, and they'd come in by the planeload from Italy or Germany [heh.
>not anymore], so the predominance of white people at Flag was due to that.
>Note that this did not explain why there were no "international" visitors
>from continents other than Europe.
Well, the answer is that Scientology has only ever amounted to much
in the white Christian countries of American & the Old Commonwealth.
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>I forgot to add that the reason I asked Stu in the first place about the
>small number of people of color at Flag was that it was extremely
>disproportionate to the number of nonwhites living in Clearwater.
See below......
In article<vnehbtkisc593ap29...@4ax.com>, BM <n...@aol.co>
writes:
>Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
>asking cuz most of them are white.
Yes: it depends on the city. In wealthy cities rich people are
white, non-white people are very poor and excluded from many
social institutions. In those places (most of CA and FL), CofS
is conspicuously white. In poorer cities (New York etc) the
races mix on more equal terms, and CofS has all races. The
same applies in East Grinstead which is very white, versus all
the conurbations like London and Birmingham which are more mixed.
CofS is neither deliberately more nor less racist than, but simply
reflects the racial views and composition of, surrounding society.
Hubbard said some things we would NOW find pretty racist, though he
didn't have a bug up his ass about being nasty to other races but
was simply reflecting the attitude of his times; and it hasn't
made today's CofS take a hostile attitude to other races.
Anyway CofS is a rather inwardlooking organisation --- you won't
find it overtly trying to get laws or restrictions against (e.g.)
gay people even if doctrinally it takes a low view of them.
In article<3AB8D4A0...@CANTHATSPAMhackerheaven.org>, Coolvibe:
>Yeah, well... I guess money is colourless. Don't matter where it's from,
>they'll take it.
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But this is a silly and racist remark. Why bother repeating it?
FauxReal66
<<But this is a silly and racist remark. Why bother repeating it?>>
Tilman... "Black folks can spot a shell game a mile away," is funny and
insightful coming from anyone. Silly? More like dead-on. Racist? Hardly.
Ethnic minorities are always the first to get targetted by scams. Fortunately,
they learn how to spot them quickly.
Ebner SP4
Isaac
>
>heard of.
>
Isaac Hayes is the most famous African-American scientologist
I'm aware of.
Isaac
Feisty
Isaac <is...@latveria.castledoom.org> wrote in message
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I should have remembered, earlier. I am aware that there are African-American
Scientologists, but by no means has the outreach gone strictly to these
communities where "compassion" may be given. There are hardly the numbers in
this "faith."
From all I've read, unless it's a very quietly funded Narconon program that
may be later deified, then there are no other programs that have been lauded
directly for African-American communities directly by the church.
(Unfortunately the most African-American population that this church has ever
outreached was through their prison experiences).Any outreach (PR) seems to
be by an Isaac Hayes, John Travolta, or through businesses. Since missions
are run out of "businesses", and there are only main org in each city, where
is this so-called church outreach? It is not organized to say the least. The
money moves fast, and is never found to go anywhere but in the pockets of the
lawyers and upper crust.
When these latest ex-members have come the higher ranks of the church (and
there are so many more coming), they claim that they were begged for money to
outreach here and outreach there, there was nothing to show in the immediate
community from their donations.
When business members "tutor" in the literacy program, they are not announced
as being from the church, they are only known as business members. They must
do this because there is no church in every community. They are businesses.
So when the Isaacs are proud of who they are, they may all know that the
operation of outreach has been more "advantageous" in the monetary levels by
the promotion people, and has the effect of a needle in a haystack to a
community.
Not to mention the teachings of the outreach are to rid ones body of the
festering dead alien spirits:
Xenu and the Space Aliens, a Scientology Space Opera
If you are interested in learning about the lies and deception that
surround Scientology's beliefs, this pamphlet is for you. If you are
one of the few people who are considering Scientology, this will
give you a brief view of their cosmology and help you decide if
this is a group you wish to be associated with. And, if you are
already a Scientologist planning on moving up the "bridge to total
freedom", this document will give you a heads-up on what to
expect.
L. Ron Hubbard was a mediocre writer of science fiction and
westerns who decided that real money could be made in religion.
Scientologists might say that the story that follows came about by
something like divine revelation but others would contend that it
came about from the over-active imagination of a poor and
struggling science fiction writer. Whatever you believe about the
stories origin, it is the core belief in the group known as
Scientology. This story is only revealed to Scientologist after they
have paid a lot of money over several years and reached a "higher
level of awareness". If the people in Scientology at the lower levels
knew about this story, maybe they would question why they are
staying on the Scientology treadmill. The story goes like this:
75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu
who was in charge of 76 planets in our sector of the galaxy,
including planet Earth, whose name at that time was Teegeeack.
All of the planets Xenu controlled were over-populated by, on
average, 178 billion people. Social problems dictated that Xenu rid
his sector of the galaxy of this overpopulation problem, so he
developed a plan.
Xenu sent out Tax Audit demands to all these billions of people.
As each one entered the audit centers for the income tax
inspections, the people were seized, held down and injected with a
mixture of alcohol and glycol, and frozen. Then, all 13.5 trillion of
these frozen people were put into spaceships that looked exactly
like DC8 airplanes, except that the spaceships had rocket engines
instead of propellers.
Xenu's entire fleet of DC8-like spaceships then flew to planet
Earth, where the frozen people were dumped in and around
volcanoes in the Canary Islands and the Hawaiian Islands. When
Xenu's Air Force had finished dumping the bodies into the
volcanoes, hydrogen bombs were dropped into the volcanoes and
the frozen space aliens were destroyed.
However, Xenu's plan involved setting up electronic traps in
Teegeeack's atmosphere which were designed to trap the souls or
spirits of the dead space aliens. When the 13.5 trillion spirits were
being blown around on the nuclear winds, the electronic traps
worked like a charm and captured all the souls in the electronic,
sticky fly-paper like traps.
The spirits of the aliens were then taken to huge multiplex cinemas
that Xenu had previously instructed his forces to build on
Teegeeack. In these movie theaters the spirits had to spend many
days watching special 3-D movies, the purpose of which was
twofold: 1) to implant into these spirits a false reality, i.e. the
reality that WOGS (Hubbard's derisory term for anyone not a
Scientologists) know on Earth today; and, 2) to control these spirits
for all eternity so that they could never cause trouble for Xenu in
this sector of the Galaxy. During these films, many false pictures
were implanted into these spirits, which resulted in the spirits
believing in all the things that control mankind on Earth today,
including religion. The concept of religion, including God, Christ,
Mohammed, Moses etc., were all an implanted false reality that to
this very minute is used to control WOGS on Earth.
When the films ended and the souls left the cinema, they started to
stick together in clusters of a few thousand and remained that way
until mankind began to inhabit the Earth. Today on Earth all the
spirits of these aliens have attached themselves to our bodies and
are the root cause of the false reality that all but Scientology's
"Homo Novis" or OT 8's on earth experience. It is the job of all
Scientologists to remove this false reality from the world by
auditing each and every space alien spirit and human on earth to
CLEAR not only this planet but the universe. For those who
oppose Scientology and stand in their way like the Lisa McPherson
Trust and all Scientology critics, Scientology promises to do away
with them "quietly and without sorrow".
We have calculated that on average, each person on planet earth
has 2,209 of these Body Thetans (BT's for short), Hubbard's term
for the alien spirits, attached to you causing you and all mankind to
be constrained by Xenu's false reality. The average cost for
Scientology to OT 8 is a mere USD 360,000, meaning that each
BT only costs USD 163 to clear. Now that is a bargain if there
ever was one.
Hubbard never said the overall cost to the planet would be cheap,
but let's examine it. The planetary cost equation is as follows: 13.5
trillion spirits times USD 163 equals a mere USD 2,205,000,000,000,000.
Just think about it -- USD 2.2 quadrillion -- WOW!, that's enough to
keep Rear Admiral Miscavige, the current head of Scientology and Marty,
his number two, in casino chips for a long time.
To finish the story, the Loyal Officers of the Marcab Confederation
finally discovered how evil Xenu was and overthrew him. He is now
locked away in a mountain on one of the planets and kept in by a
force-field powered by an eternal battery. Several of Xenu's relatives
can often be found on the internet newsgroup called
alt.religion.scientology or ARS for short battling Scientology daily.
Many Scientologists who have left from the highest levels of
Scientology have told us that they have sat in a room at
Scientology's Sandcastle building in Clearwater, Florida for 5-7
hours per day for up to 10 years, holding two asparagus cans
together, attached to a primitive lie detector, talking all day to
these dead space aliens. And guess what? You'll never ever finish
talking to dead space aliens until you leave Scientology.
We are repeating this story to in the interest of full disclosure. If
you become involved with Scientology we want you to do so with
your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains.
And, if you're in Scientology you should know how you will be
spending the rest of your life.
If you need to know more about Scientology, start at the following
web sites: http://www.lisatrust.net/ and http://www.xenu.net/
งงงงงง
We do not object to anyone, Scientologists included, believing in
alien cosmologies and practicing their truly held beliefs. In fact,
the core beliefs of Scientology discussed above are a very colorful
addition to the richness of the tapestry of beliefs held by mankind
in the "spiritual" realm.
We do have at least two problems, however, with Scientology's
deception about its alien space opera--
First, Scientology lies when it says that it is compatible with all
other religious beliefs. It cannot be and is not compatible with
ANY religious belief since it clearly teaches that all religion is an
implanted false reality. In fact, any other religious belief by a
Scientologist is not even tolerated. Talk about your faith in Christ
or about prayer in an auditing session and off to the Ethics Officer
you will go for some PTS ("Potential Trouble Source") handling
because you are indulging in "other practices". OT3, the level
when a Scientologist learns about the alien cosmology and that
religion is an implanted false reality, obviously ends any
possibility of further illusion that Scientology can be compatible
with ANY religious belief.
Second, Scientology keeps its alien cosmology a secret for
financial reasons. A Scientologist is required to go through a
gradual progression of expensive steps before they are allowed to
learn about the alien cosmology. They are told if they learn about it
prematurely, it will create a life threatening situation -- it will give
them pneumonia and they might die. We know of no reports of
anyone ever getting pneumonia, much less dying from exposure to
Xenu and the alien story. Hiding the truth about these alien beliefs
serves several functions, including, a) recruitment -- who would
join if they were told about the alien beliefs up front; b) money --
holding back the information buys time to collect more money
from a recruit before the colorful information is revealed; c)
control -- holding back the information allows Scientology to use
the "tech" to indoctrinate and induce a person not to bolt when they
do hear the alien story.
This entire cover-up of this alien cosmology in Scientology is all
about deception, lies and money.
The Lisa McPherson Trust's mission is to expose the abusive and
deceptive practices of Scientology and help those who have been
victimized by it. Clearly, the deception and lies surrounding the
alien cosmology is something we must stand up against. Let me
make this clear: it is not the alien cosmology itself that we object
to; it is the deception and lies surrounding it.
We are all well aware that Hubbard wrote all the policies used by
Scientology management today which are at the heart of the entire
war that Scientology has declared on its critics. Hubbard wrote the
Manual of Dissemination, for example, in which he instructed his
followers that the purpose of a lawsuit is to harass, not to win. He
also wrote the Manual of Justice, in which he says that a reporter
who dares to write anything critical about Scientology should be
harassed and intimidated until he shudders into silence. He also
wrote Attacks on Scientology, Additional Policy Letter, in
which he details how to destroy the reputation of anyone who is
critical of Scientology. There are many, many others, including
the most vile of Hubbard's policies, the "Fair Game" policy which
has been in continuous use by Scientology since it was written in
1967. Current management is revising these Hubbard policies for
the reprints of the OEC and Tech volumes for legal and PR
reasons, because Miscavige and his lawyers don't want the public
to know how rabidly insane and vindictive Hubbard really was.
But these are Hubbard policies, without any doubt. Current
management continues to apply the original versions of these
directives, but do not delude yourself that it was anyone but L.
Ron Hubbard who wrote them.
We have spent many hours with former Scientologists all over the
world and have never hid our feelings about Hubbard. To politely
summarize those feelings, we think Hubbard was a sinister con
man and believe that the vast majority of people who know
anything about him share this view. The point here is that while
Miscavige may be seen as a monster, he is merely a proxy for
carrying out the evil policies of L. Ron Hubbard. Miscavige is
definitely not "misapplying" the evil parts of Hubbard's tech -- we
believe he is using them just as Hubbard intended.
Further, we believe the creed of Scientology has many noble
elements to it but think the creed is a fraud because Scientology
and most Scientologists do not act in accordance with their creed.
The creed is pure PR and Scientology and most Scientologists are
hypocrites. A simple example of this hypocrisy is that their creed
says that all men have an inalienable right to free speech yet in
practice that right is only supported by the church when the speech
is laudatory of Scientology. Otherwise you are publicly labeled a
bigot and hatemonger and the fair game policies are applied
against you.
One of the most difficult aspects of recovering from Scientology
seems to be former members coming to terms with their
irresponsibility while they were in Scientology. Over and over we
have had ex-Scientologists say to us, "I didn't know about all these
bad things going on in the church," only to come back later and
admit that they just didn't want to see it. Former Scientologists
regret that they had bought into the church's lies so thoroughly that
they couldn't see what was going on all around them. Many ex-
Scientologists have told us that it was simply a lot easier not to
have to take responsibility for these things. But everyone in the
church is responsible for what the church is doing.
Remember that Scientology breeds irresponsibility and that
Scientologists become addicted to that irresponsibility. What else
could happen when throughout your experience in Scientology a)
"Engrams" and your reactive mind are the root cause of your
problems, b) then it's space aliens (BT's), c) then it's drugged
BT's, then sleeping BT's, then unconscious BT's and d) you find
that the entirety of the physical universe is a false reality that can
be done away with by auditing all the BT's so that you are able to
step out of the physical universe and be above matter, energy,
space and time. Read Stacy Brooks' auditing post to ARS at
http://www.lisatrust.net/Tech.htm, and her post on the family at
http://www.lisatrust.net/Family.htm. Then, read the outstanding
Cartesian Award winning essay by Erik Snead at
http://www.lisatrust.net/literaticontest/contest2000/00erik.html to
get an insight into how this addiction to irresponsibility happens.
The above being said, we will defend the right of anyone to
practice any truly held belief they choose. As some have chosen
Scientology "outside the church" we believe they should begin by
publicly renouncing the evil and destructive policies of Hubbard
and renounce the church's use of those policies. You see, as long as
those policies remain in place, we don't have a lot of confidence
that another brand of Scientology would not just become another
"Church" of Scientology, if given the opportunity.
Bob Minton
Feisty
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> Isaac
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JimDBB
>From: "M. C. DiPietra" mdip...@earthlink.net
>Date: 3/21/01 12:48 PM Central
>> Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
>> asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
>> to this $cientology bull-crap.
My experience from working with many 'blacks' in the music world is that the
majority of them have an innate sense of detecting scams, particularly 'white'
based scams. Some 'blacks' may fall for a 'black' scam such as 'Father' devine
or the 'black' Muslim scam but for most a little bell goes off when a con like
scientology comes around.
Latinos had the catholic scam forced upon them but they have at least added a
bit of color by infusing it with assorted latino superstitions
I would say that 'whites' and in particular, american 'whites' are the most
susceptible to religious cons. And every other con that comes down the line.
Anyone in america can call almost anything a religion and easily get IRS tax
exemption. Hence phoney relgions are everywhere in the US. If they persist
and expand they will eventually reach out in other parts of the world as
scientology and the Jehovahs Witnesses are trying to do. Other countries would
be well advised to ban american business and religious groups. 9 out of 10 of
them will be bogus scams.
JImDBB
Tommy
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> BM wrote:
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> > Is there such a thing as a black/asian or latino $cientologist? I am
> > asking cuz most of them are white. Looks like other races are immune
> > to this $cientology bull-crap.
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> and Black scientologists. Considering how Hubbard felt about other
> races, I view them as a curiosity...much as I would marvel at anyone who
> would join a group called 'Jews for Hitler.'
Ditto.
My wife worked with one - a young lady who spent her breaks reading
hubbardspew. I gave her a printout of hubbard's views on "natives" and
their inability to be trained. Just hubbard quotes. That must have done
it, because when she left a few weeks later the books were found in the
trash can next to her desk.
Hey Dallas Co$ers - just in case you wonder why she never came back...
now you know. Good luck tracking her down to try to find out who my wife
is, OSA.
Tommy
--
From "All about Radiation", by a 'nuclear physicist'....
"One might well ask what I know about this subject. I was a member of
the first class in nuclear physics - we called it Atomic and Molecular
Phenomena, of which nuclear physics is just a small part - which was
taught at the George Washington University."
L. Ron Hubbard
He got an "F".