What's wrong with you people?
Podkayne
<sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself, I have recently found this
> newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
Odd that, even though you're an "ex"-Scn, your post sounds *so* familiar.
>
> Why are you all carrying so many grudges? Surely, there are much bloodier
> and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
> East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
> Africa.
Should we ignore small evils just because there are bigger ones? Not to
mention, the big ones are far from me, while the small one is very close.
> But no, here you all are slagging off Scientology. So, why don't you all do
> like I did....go out and get yourselves a life. You will feel much better
> for it.
Are you *sure* you're an *ex* Scn?
> It is the "dangerousness" of Scientology that most of you seem to have an
> issue about. Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
> that bad. Christianity, for example, has its foundations on the millions of
> people killed "in the name of Christ", either through wars or at the hands
> of self-serving and sadistic priests. Yet no-one these days says
> Christianity is evil. Also, if you think Scientology is the first religion
> based on money, then think again. Take a look in the history books for
> Henry 8th and the reformation of the monasteries. Or the mormons with their
> 10% of income. The Jewish and moslem faiths are also based on people
> handing over large amounts of cash.
Yes, Xtianity has a bad history - its because I *know* its history that I
recognize what the CoS is doing.
As to knowing history - um, you might want to research the Mormons, Jews &
Moslems a bit more...
>
> So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future. Don't
> hang on to all those rusty old chains from your past. It's not worth it.
> Honest.
Are you *really* sure you're an ex Scn?
chochi
what wrong?
guessing:
Horrible Truths
===============
Here are some horrible truths for Scientologists reading this newsgroup.
The State of Clear
------------------
In DMSMH, Hubbard claimed that a Clear would have perfect recall (among
other things such as having a higher intelligence and being near immune
to disease, living longer etc.) He once attempted to demonstrate this to
a large audience at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles. The Clear was
Sonia Bianca, a physics major. On being tested, she could not even
remember the physics formulae she was familiar with. She also could not
even remember what colour tie L. Ron Hubbard was wearing when his back
was turned. The audience jeered. Despite failing to prove this to a
large audience and despite never attempting to prove this or any other
of his claims about this state to the scientific community, the wild
claims about the State of Clear are still in DMSMH and to say it is
historical or no longer applies would be a "technical degreade" and
hence an "ethics offence" that could result in a person being expelled
from the "Church". These claims are made even more dishonest when you
consider that there exists a definition of the State of Clear that is
kept under lock and key in the "Church". And that definition
is that a person is Clear when they realise that they are mocking up
their own reactive mind. The only abilities claimed in that document is
that the Clear is less prone to doing this. There is no mention about
any of the abilities claimed in DMSMH. Indeed, a person who is Clear
will be told that they are "at risk" and must move on to higher levels,
so in a sense they are worse off that the ordinary man on the street
who has never heard of the "reactive mind".
Maintaining those claims about the State of Clear in DMSMH and telling
the public that information as if it were true is blatantly dishonest.
Expelling members who tell the truth about it compounds the dishonesty.
It is a deliberate fraud.
The OT Levels
-------------
Hubbard described Clear as being only Clear on the first Dynamic.
Pre-Clears are sometimes told by visiting Flag reps that on the OT
levels they will go Clear on the 3rd Dynamic. The 3rd Dynamic is to do
with groups of people. This is very apt then, since on the OT levels,
from OT III to OT VII currently, you will indeed be auditing a *group*.
This group is a body infestation of murdered space-aliens called "body
thetans". Every person is supposed to have 2,500 or more of these. On
the OT levels they are talked to telepathically, with their responses
measured on the e-meter with the cans held in one hand with an
insulating separator between them. They are asked to remember the time,
75 million years ago, when the evil galactic overlord, Xenu, had them
frozen in alcohol and glycol and transported to Earth, across space, in
DC-8 space planes. They were then stacked around volcanoes and nuked,
after which they were gathered together and taken to cinemas to see
several days worth of 3D motion pictures. After this, they supposedly
clustered together since they had the same engrams. This sort of
"clustering incident " is described in the book "A History of Man". L.
Ron Hubbard gave a lecture entitled "Assists" in which he described how
he would make his body thetans go away
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/BTs.ram . He also described the flight
across space in DC-8 space planes
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/DC-8s.ram .
OT III is supposed to rid you of these dead space-aliens "body thetans".
you attest to OT III when you have cognited that you have no more of
them. But then it is time for OT IV and you are told that you do have
more of them and that they are in a drugged state. You do the OT Drug
Rundown for the benefit of these drugged body thetans. After that it is
time for NOTs auditing. NOTs is short for "New Era Dianetics for OTs".
Most pre-clears know that you cannot give Dianetics processing to a
Clear, whether that be Book One style or NED. And yet pre-OTs are given
NOTs. This seems like a contradiction. It is not though, since NOTs is
not aimed at them. It is aimed at their infestation of space-alien "body
thetans".
The Abilities of an OT
----------------------
L. Ron Hubbard made far more claims about the ability of an OT, or
"Operating Thetan" than he did about the State of Clear. As with the
former, it was completely without foundation. OTs have no power of mind
over matter, telepathy, no ability to leave their bodies or anything
like that. L. Ron Hubbard's own claims about his own abilities prove
that he was deluded about this state. He once claimed, in a lecture
called "Between-Lives Implants", that he had transported himself to the
planet Venus -- where he was nearly run over by a freight locomotive
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram . This was not an isolated
example in which he really did achieve this claimed feat and merely got
the identity of the planet wrong. He considered that Venus, Mars and
Jupiter were all inhabited. In the lecture "Role of Earth" he described
Mars as being inhabited by the Fourth Invader Force
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Mars.ram , the Venusian government to be
monitored by the Fifth Invader Force
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusian.ram while Earth itself was
being used as a prison planet by both Mars and Venus
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Prison.ram as well as a dumping ground
for beings from other galaxies
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Dumping.ram . As for Jupiter, he said
the people who lived there would look like Eskimos
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Jupiter.ram .
The only person who has been a Scientologist (he is not any longer) and
has attempted to prove the existence of special mental powers to the
scientific community was Ingo Swann. The Randi Foundation has a million
dollars waiting for the first person who can prove the existence of
mental super-powers under controlled conditions. Were an OT to achieve
this they would become rich as well as putting Scientology on the path
of "Clearing the Planet". Scientology would become a major world
religion in short order. However, if L. Ron Hubbard's claims about his
own abilities are anything to go by, then this possibility seems remote.
--
chochi, KoX, Sp3
Prefiero vivir mi propia vida,
que ser un titere en el sueño de alguien...
Comentario acerca de los Co$
@globalnet.co.uk stephen robinson
newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
Why are you all carrying so many grudges? Surely, there are much bloodier
and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
Africa.
But no, here you all are slagging off Scientology. So, why don't you all do
like I did....go out and get yourselves a life. You will feel much better
for it.
It is the "dangerousness" of Scientology that most of you seem to have an
issue about. Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
that bad. Christianity, for example, has its foundations on the millions of
people killed "in the name of Christ", either through wars or at the hands
of self-serving and sadistic priests. Yet no-one these days says
Christianity is evil. Also, if you think Scientology is the first religion
based on money, then think again. Take a look in the history books for
Henry 8th and the reformation of the monasteries. Or the mormons with their
10% of income. The Jewish and moslem faiths are also based on people
handing over large amounts of cash.
So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future. Don't
LRonsScam
>Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself,
Please tell us more. Why did you get in and why did you leave? It helps with
credibility.
I have recently found this
>newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
I guess you have missed my posts havn't you?
>
>Why are you all carrying so many grudges?
Most people here are not ex scientologist. So your insinuation that people here
have a grudge against Scientology is wrong. And most ex's have a right to have
a grudge. If Scientology were up front about ALL of their beliefs I would have
never joined. I am here to make sure that anyone who wants inquires about
Scientology beliefs will get the full story. I don't find anything wrong with
that do you?
Surely, there are much bloodier
>and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
>East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
>Africa.
This isn't my issue; I really can't do anything about those incidents except
give money and Scientology is actually more dangerous to my health and
democratic welfare than all of the above. I also believe that Scientology is a
great menace to free thinking people.
>
>But no, here you all are slagging off Scientology. So, why don't you all do
>like I did....go out and get yourselves a life. You will feel much better
>for it.
Geee, well that is why you are so ignorant of the facts.
>
>It is the "dangerousness" of Scientology that most of you seem to have an
>issue about. Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
>that bad.
Scientology isn't a new religion. Scientology is a global business/ racket that
preys on people's weaknesses. As far as a business goes, Scientology has set
many precedents.
FYI, Scientology has been banned in Greece and is criminally convicted in
Canada and they are about to be criminally convicted in the USA. They are being
watched by the German gov. and are considered a business there. Is it beyond
your scope of reasoning that there is something wrong here? This NG isn't some
kind of fantasy role play game you know. If it weren't for ARS I bet
Scientology would be trotting right along as usual and not many people the
wiser of their activities. Ignorance will get you no where.
Christianity, for example, has its foundations on the millions of
>people killed "in the name of Christ", either through wars or at the hands
>of self-serving and sadistic priests.
If the internet were around back then then there would be an NG about it.
Yet no-one these days says
>Christianity is evil
You are wrong there my friend.
. Also, if you think Scientology is the first religion
>based on money, then think again.
Scientology is based on money. Scientology was declared by the Supreme Court
that it is a business and all religions are based on money. That isn't the real
issue. What the real issue is is what Scientology does with that money. All the
PI's that are hired and all the law suits are an incredible stretch of the term
'charitable organization'.
Take a look in the history books for
>Henry 8th and the reformation of the monasteries. Or the mormons with their
>10% of income.
The mormorns are considered a cult. Just because you have set a precedent here,
much like the same examples that Scientologists use, doesn't mean squat.
Scientology's use of saleseman's terms and their use of credit cards does not
justify their actions as charitable.
The Jewish and moslem faiths are also based on people
>handing over large amounts of cash.
so is all religion.
>
>So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future.
Yes, one that will include not listening to posts that have nothing to do with
the facts.
Don't
>hang on to all those rusty old chains from your past. It's not worth it.
>Honest.
>
>
>
>
>
******
Having two faiths is controversial. Scntlgy is one that claims compatibility
with all beliefs. You most certainly can be a faithful Scngist and a Christian
but you can not be a faithful Christian and a Scngist. Scngsts faith is rooted
in money.
Zane
@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself, I have recently found this
>newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
How long were you in?
How much money did you waste?
Did you see human-rights abuses?
>Why are you all carrying so many grudges?
I didn't like the way scientology locks people up and abuses them
physically and mentally.
>Surely, there are much bloodier
>and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
>East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
>Africa.
And I chip in on those crusades too. In fact for many years there
were not many of us ranting about East Timor. Eventually the snowball
effect roll over scientology too.
>It is the "dangerousness" of Scientology that most of you seem to have an
>issue about. Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
>that bad.
Ah well, we should leave it alone for a couple thousand years so it
can acquire an impressive record of death and abuses eh? I don't
think so. Fortunately most brits seem to have a better grasp of logic
than you.
>Yet no-one these days says
>Christianity is evil.
I do.
>So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future.
We are, thanks for the encouragement.
>Don't hang on to all those rusty old chains from your past.
I guess you're a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy. Good on you!
However I want to see the co$ punished for its crimes, I hope you can
appreciate that.
Zane - KoX, SP4, Club Nine
Free meme innoculations!
roger gonnet
LRonsScam wrote:
>
> >From: "stephen robinson" <sterobin @globalnet.co.uk>
>
> >Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself,
>
> Please tell us more. Why did you get in and why did you leave? It helps with
> credibility.
>
> I have recently found this
> >newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
>
> I guess you have missed my posts havn't you?
>
> >
> >Why are you all carrying so many grudges?
>
> Most people here are not ex scientologist. So your insinuation that people here
> have a grudge against Scientology is wrong. And most ex's have a right to have
> a grudge. If Scientology were up front about ALL of their beliefs I would have
> never joined. I am here to make sure that anyone who wants inquires about
> Scientology beliefs will get the full story. I don't find anything wrong with
> that do you?
>
> Surely, there are much bloodier
> >and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
> >East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
> >Africa.
Besides, you can perfectly well be sure that if scienos were able to get
access to such countries' leaders, they could "forget" and "forbid" them
for their numerous crimes, just to get some country to get their hands
onto, as an op's base for their world conquest. What do you believe you
management does with his monies? Placing them into charity business, or
forcing that money to make more money, into whatever could be the best
to get a maximum, disregarding the "ethics" of the companies or groups
into which they feed those moneys?
Roger
Keith Henson
: newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
I am not bitter about scientology--though lord knows I have plenty of
reason to be. Try putting my name in a search engine. Keith Henson
Rebecca Jo McLaughlin
[snip]
: Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
: that bad. Christianity, for example,. . .[snip]
Apologist blither #46. IMO, the history of religions in general is an
excellent reason to make sure Scientology never even *approaches* a
similar level of power and cruelty.
Beck
Mike O'Connor
<sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself,
I don't believe you at all. You post the same message that has been posted
here a hundred times before by cult shills - skilled liars. It's the party
line, designed to discourage people from trying to get your cult to stop
its abuse of people and the law. You should be ashamed of what they are
getting you to do.
[...]
> But no, here you all are slagging off Scientology. So, why don't you all do
> like I did....go out and get yourselves a life. You will feel much better
> for it.
Close your eyes to the cult's abuse of people and the law. Don't bother
yourself about it. Look at those other abuses, way, way over there! They
are really bad, aren't they? Go get them! We'll be just fine here without
you. Bye bye! Now we are free to continue our abuse of people and the law
without interference.
Look at what you are doing. You should be ashamed.
> It is the "dangerousness" of Scientology that most of you seem to have an
> issue about.
It's the abuse of people and the abuse of the law that I have an issue
about. Is it wrong to be against abuse of people and the law? If not, then
what are you trying to get me to turn away from it. Is this what you
thought the cult would have you doing when you first joined them?
> Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
> that bad.
Two wrongs make a right, you say? We may be bad but that thing way, way
over there is worse so it's ok that we are bad and you should leave us
alone. Does that logic make sense to you? Then why are you spouting it?
[...]
> Also, if you think Scientology is the first religion
> based on money, then think again.
Yes, Scientology is a religion based on money. And, it also abuses people
and the law. Stop abusing people and the law. Is it wrong to ask the cult
to stop abusing people and the law?
[...]
> So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future. Don't
> hang on to all those rusty old chains from your past. It's not worth it.
> Honest.
You are as honest as the day is long. In your cult, lying is a sacrament.
It's your sacred duty to LIE. Don't tell harmful lies, says the cult's
sacred scripture. What could be less harmful than saving the planet? Then
clearing it? Then getting people to join? Than getting people to stop
criticising its abuse of people and the law? In a matter so important to
the future of the galactic confederation itself, it is not just righteous
to lie, it is your duty. To lie.
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
--
Mike O'Connor - lep...@panix.com
http://www.panix.com/~lepton/
nia...@my-dejanews.com
Rebecca Jo McLaughlin <bec...@umich.edu> wrote:
> stephen robinson <sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> : Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
> : that bad. Christianity, for example,. . .[snip]
>
> Apologist blither #46. IMO, the history of religions in general is an
> excellent reason to make sure Scientology never even *approaches* a
> similar level of power and cruelty.
>
> Beck
>
for it. I shudder to think what might be wrought were Co$ permitted to pursue
its present course for that long.
Niall
Say it loud "I'm suppressive and I'm proud!"
SP1
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Steve Zadarnowski
>stephen robinson <sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>: Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
>: that bad. Christianity, for example,. . .[snip]
>
>Apologist blither #46. IMO, the history of religions in general is an
>excellent reason to make sure Scientology never even *approaches* a
>similar level of power and cruelty.
Excellent point. Scientology would be worse because it is run
by a nutcases and assholes.
S
Dave Bird
>Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself, I have recently found this
>newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
>
Dunno. I suppose locking a woman up for 17 days without
proper care until she dies of thirst, having lost 1/3rd
her body weight, is just trivial really. <xemu wanders
of shamefacelly to pull faces at babies in prams or other-
wise something more constructive than criticism of theiving
murderers going under the name of "church">
--
' ' ' .:::. ' :: ' ' 'what do Scientologists say when ' http://www.
' (o\ /o) .::. ' you ask why their money-grubbing ' xemu.demon.
' \ " / XEMU ' killed a woman by starvation? ' co.uk '
' '-' :::: ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
' :v: \'''| ' BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT '
' ;;\:::/;;\/ / ' OO / / \ ? '
' ;;;;;;;;;BEER ' (~~) .00 @@-._ \ '
' WithAKick\/ ' ( ) ( =) (O ) ( ") (" )
' 'LikeAnHBomb ' ' ' ' ^^^^ ' ' ^^ ^^ ' ' ' ' ^^ ^^ ' ' "" ' ""
Mike O'Connor
astu...@top.university.org (Art Student) wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:41:39 -0500, lep...@panix.com (Mike O'Connor)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <73fp44$2e9$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>, "stephen robinson"
> ><sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself,
> >[...]
> >> So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future. Don't
> >> hang on to all those rusty old chains from your past. It's not worth it.
> >> Honest.
> >
> >You are as honest as the day is long. In your cult, lying is a sacrament.
> >It's your sacred duty to LIE. Don't tell harmful lies, says the cult's
> >sacred scripture. What could be less harmful than saving the planet? Then
> >clearing it? Then getting people to join? Than getting people to stop
> >criticising its abuse of people and the law? In a matter so important to
> >the future of the galactic confederation itself, it is not just righteous
> >to lie, it is your duty. To lie.
> >
> >LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
>
> Correct. Another term for it is havingness.
>
> Be, do, and have are the essence of Scientology.
>
> Beingness (assume the Scientology viewpoint); Doingness (get the TR's
> in); and Havingness (lie to people in order to control them).
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
The beingness is the doingness which equals havingness.
-- L. Ron Hubbard
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fredric L. Rice (Captain Ahab)
@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself, I have recently found this
>newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
And yet for some reason you haven't mentioned anything which
is in any way incorrect or otherwise mistaken being said by the
critics. That's important to note.
>Why are you all carrying so many grudges? Surely, there are much bloodier
>and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
>East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
>Africa.
Let's worry about the child abuse and torture of children inside of
Scientology first. Let's take care of murderous crime syndicates at
home before we start trying to help the rest of the world.
Thanks.
~~~
Hunting the Great White Clam http://www.xenu.net
Fredric L. Rice (Captain Ahab)
@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Yet no-one these days says Christianity is evil.
I do. Most historians will, when asked. Check out The Skeptic Tank
http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice/index.htm and most of note
the extensive and disgusting Clergy Abuse files. The history of
"monothetistic" religions speak loudly for themselves.
Also: while there are certainly disgusting religions in the world,
Scientology isn't one of them: it's a business designed and
created to extract money from the ignorant and the gullible.
There is value in Christianity; there is none in Scientology.
While I hate Christianity's fascism and utter lack of ethics
and morals, and I hate its authoritanrianism which allows
children to be raped with impunity, at least Christians _try _
to take the high road. The Scientology crime syndicate
doesn't even have that.
I'll pick Christianity's inhuman tyranny over the Scientology
crime syndicate's any day.
Fredric L. Rice (Captain Ahab)
wrote:
> She also could not
>even remember what colour tie L. Ron Hubbard was wearing when his back
>was turned. The audience jeered.
<laughing> Love it. All that money and brainwashing and, no doubt,
heavy tutoring before hand and she fucked up royally. Love it.
Fredric L. Rice (Captain Ahab)
wrote:
>> But no, here you all are slagging off Scientology. So, why don't you all do
>> like I did....go out and get yourselves a life. You will feel much better
>> for it.
>
>Close your eyes to the cult's abuse of people and the law. Don't bother
>yourself about it. Look at those other abuses, way, way over there! They
>are really bad, aren't they? Go get them! We'll be just fine here without
>you. Bye bye! Now we are free to continue our abuse of people and the law
>without interference.
>
>Look at what you are doing. You should be ashamed.
Shame is brainwashed out of these poor victims/fools/members. Hell,
from the reports that I get from pickets and memorials, all emotions
but hatred, anger, and resentment are brainwashed out of these poor
nuts.
I must constantly remind myself that these people are victims.
Fredric L. Rice (Captain Ahab)
wrote:
>>You are as honest as the day is long. In your cult, lying is a sacrament.
>>It's your sacred duty to LIE. Don't tell harmful lies, says the cult's
>>sacred scripture. What could be less harmful than saving the planet? Then
>>clearing it? Then getting people to join? Than getting people to stop
>>criticising its abuse of people and the law? In a matter so important to
>>the future of the galactic confederation itself, it is not just righteous
>>to lie, it is your duty. To lie.
>>
>>LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
>Correct. Another term for it is havingness.
>Be, do, and have are the essence of Scientology.
Now let's not be unfair. It's perfectly acceptable to contrive
"acceptable truths" even though others -- sane people who have
not been mentally tortured and brainwashed by the cult -- might
mistakenly consider it lies.
Fredric L. Rice (Captain
> On Sun, 04 Oct 1998 08:15:28, p...@tiac.net (Whitey) wrote:
>
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> >Lawsuits from NIGGER communities have recently been lodged against =
> >private U.S. businesses like Wal-Mart, because they won't move their =
> >stores into lack luster NIGGER communities. These NIGGER communities =
> >don't care that almost all chain stores in NIGGER communities flee as =
> >quickly as possible and have done so historically, because these =
> >companies almost always lose money in NIGGER communities due to lack of =
> >business, higher than average theft goods off the shelves, crime in the =
> >parking lots, and ignorant lawsuits by both NIGGER employees and NIGGER =
> >workers who "think" they, as NIGGERS, have been racially slighted.
> <rest of garbage snipped to save bandwidth>
>
> Coward! Use your REAL FUCKING NAME AND EMAIL, ASSHOLE!
>
> Byte me.
> GARRYOWEN!
and that is the truth concerning niggers they bitch and whine about wanting
equal everything and when they get it they abuse it to hell and back and then
want to blame whites for that too....
Kristi Wachter
<sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself, I have recently found this
> newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
Well, I'm not bitter; aside from lying about me to my neighbors, Scn's
never done anything to ME.
> Why are you all carrying so many grudges? Surely, there are much bloodier
> and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
> East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
> Africa.
Huh. This is interesting. My Scientology pal Bill Crawford brought up East
Timor in my conversation with him Saturday. What a coincidence.
An injustice anywhere is a threat to freedom and justice everywhere.
Besides - who says we can't protest the atrocities in East Timor AND the
atrocities in Hemet?
Kristi
--
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the activist formerly known as "Jour" (before $cientology outed me)
I think $cientology is hurting people and breaking the law, and I
want them to stop it. See http://www.scientology-lies.com for more.
Can you say "Xenu?" ... I knew that you could.
NoScieno
> >even remember what colour tie L. Ron Hubbard was wearing when his back
> >was turned. The audience jeered.
>
> heavy tutoring before hand and she fucked up royally. Love it.
>
The bit that really tickles my funny bone is when Elleraytch flusters and
makes up a novel excuse on the spot -- that supposedly when he asked her to
come on stage, "you can come out now," the word "now" somehow caused her to
get "stuck in present time" causing her memory lapse. Even back then the old
fart was qualifying grandiose claims of super-ability from one face with
pathetic excuses out of the other face. A direct ancestor to today's mighty
Scientologists who are in danger of dying from pneumonia if they read silly
words that wouldn't even cause a "normal" to die laughing.
Elron lied. Lisa died.
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NoScieno
human...@racerrecords.com says...
> > East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
> > Africa.
>
> Huh. This is interesting. My Scientology pal Bill Crawford brought up East
> Timor in my conversation with him Saturday. What a coincidence.
They must have a "theme-of-the-week" that they post on their bulletin boards.
"5.4 X your stat the number of times you used the words "East Timor" and
"Iraq," in attacks on SPs."
Art Student
Fredric L. Rice (Captain Ahab)
The 2-Belo wrote:
> Cloudwalker98 wrote:
>
> [snip snip snip snip snip snippetty sniiiiiiiiiiiip]
>
> >why dont you enter into mature and
> >intelligent posts or discussions...all you have done since you and your little group of
> >friends came here is attack Whites and created alot of name calling and this has earned
> >you the racial hatred from whites toward you that you pityful failures have deserved.
> >attacking whites whether me or anyone else will not change shit in your lives..you are
> >still worthless nigger/jew/faggot lovers..and if you are really white..I feel so sad for
> >you...you must really have a bad life to turn away from your own race and embrace the
> >liberal bullshit line which is only there to weaken our race...
>
> All right, listen up, dicksnuggle. I'm only going to say this once.
>
> Fuck heritage.
>
> Look around the world, and what do you see? At least 150 armed conflicts around
> the planet going on this very minute. The cause? Territory, or religion, or
> ethnicity. Protecting one's "heritage". What has caused this world to be as
> fucked up as it has been since the beginning of time? Heritage: the wierd,
> illogical dwelling on the past by believing that one is part of the "culture" of
> people he's never even met. Yeah, my ancestors came over on the Mayflower! My
> forefathers were chiefs of the Cherokee tribe! My great-great-great-grandfather
> was a member of the Tokugawa shogunate! Who cares? THEY'RE DEAD!
>
> I don't give a pus-filled zit on a fat rat's ass about my fucking heritage, you
> imbecile! The only thing that matters is your BRAIN, and what you're doing with
> it. I'm white, but am I *proud*? NO! I'm of combined British and German
> "heritage", but do I *care*? NO! Do I even *know* which of my ancestors came
> from Britain or Germany? NO! My ancestors have nothing at all whatsoever to do
> with my life at this very moment.
>
> Being proud of oneself because of one's "heritage" is RACIST and STUPID. It's an
> excuse to hate others. It's an excuse to succumb to tribalism. It's an excuse to
> fight, and excuse to make war, an excuse to kill. It's just a fucking excuse!
>
> It's also the reason why hating niggers, Jews, japs, chinks, spics, gooks, wops,
> flips, beeps, bonks, blats, or whatever slur is in vogue at the moment with you,
> is also stupid. They're all the same. You know why? Because their heritage
> doesn't matter!
>
> So fuck white power, fuck the Nation of Islam, fuck the IRA, fuck the Klan, fuck
> 'em all. I propose a new movement: HUMAN SUPREMACY. POWER TO HUMAN BEINGS!
>
> You're not invited, asshole. You, obviously, are not a human being. And neither
> are your goose-stepping idiotic butt-brothers.
>
> Now shut the FUCK up, and get the FUCK OUT.
>
> --
and as further proof that you are a racist cocksucker along with all the other little butt
buddies you have posting after you .l,ike the little flunkies they are...I see that none of
you cocksuckers bother to go to any black newsxzgroups and slam any of the niggers when they
discuss their heritage and culture and being black and proud...thats cause you fuck mouth
asssholes are nigger lovers and wiggers and are the real racists..
I only exhibit my self admitted racist attitude when I see niggers jews and wiggers throwing
racial names at whites..and as far as the nazi bunch I dont follow that shit or skinheads or
the klan..I am a white person ( Cherokee Irish and German ) and I am proud to be white
skinned...if you dont have any need for holding your heritage and culture sacred and of value
to yourselves..then I feel for ya!! Lets see your asses go flame against the nigger
newsgroups for a change...they are just as antiwhite as some whites are anti black..are you
too scared of your nigger friends??? but all in all...I own my puter I pay my internet bill
and all you who get your thrill from slamming against whites on here can just kiss my ass..
bye shit for brains!!!
LRonsScam
>
>The Saint wrote in message <3653EAD0...@com.net>...
>>Absence does not constitute admission you moron!
>
>Sure it does, idiot. Absence of denial constitutes admission, or at least a
>lack of concern regarding the given statement. For instance, if I told
>people that you were a child molester, and you didn't deny it, that means
>that either you ARE a child molester, or you don't care if people THINK you
>are. (For all practical purposes, there is no difference.)
>
or that he dosen't know that you said he was a child molester. It is
possible not to read (or be able to post to) a newsgroup for a period of
time.
>what if your questions
>>are too cheap or stupid to warrant someone's time to answer!
>>
>
>If that was the case, why did anyone (yourself included) answer them?
Either
>you are in the habit of answering cheap, stupid questions, which does not
>reflect well on you, or my questions are indeed worth answering. Which is
>it?
>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>I've noticed an increasing trend torwards wooly thinking on the part of
>Christians, especially on (but in no way limited to) the Web. Why is that?
>For the love of Pete, you guys produced St. Thomas Aquinas!!!! One would
>think you would have a little pride!!
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>If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
>people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.
> ---- Noam Chomsky
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>
roxth...@my-dejanews.com
"stephen robinson" <sterobin @globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Speaking as an ex-Scientologist myself, I have recently found this
> newsgroup and am amazed by the bitterness which is found here.
It amazes me that it amazes you! This is what hurting people does to them,
it makes tham bitter.
>
> Why are you all carrying so many grudges? Surely, there are much bloodier
> and nastier things to start a crusade about, the murders and genocide in
> East Timor/Iraq for example, or the continuing starvation of the children in
> Africa.
What makes you think that this is our only crusade? How do you know we are
not fighting other injustices as well? I for one am and the starving
children in Africa happens to be one of them. You are correct, there are
many other things to work toward, many things we must change in this world
some bigger and more important than others. I find Scientology among the
important.
>
> But no, here you all are slagging off Scientology. So, why don't you all do
> like I did....go out and get yourselves a life. You will feel much better
> for it.
>
I have a life, thank you, a good and productive life. I enjoy it very much.
I think most of us do have lives, but, we can still fight injustice and
thievery any way we choose.
> It is the "dangerousness" of Scientology that most of you seem to have an
> issue about. Well, as far as new religions go, its record is not really all
> that bad.
Strictly your opinion. Read some of the critics books and then tell me that.
Christianity, for example, has its foundations on the millions of
> people killed "in the name of Christ", either through wars or at the hands
> of self-serving and sadistic priests.
Agreed!
Yet no-one these days says
> Christianity is evil.
Wrong, I say that those acts were very evil. I am practically an authority
on the atrocities commited by the catholics during the inquisition. However,
those things do not appear to be happening currently now do they? If I ever
get the idea that they are, I shall protest. O.K.?
Also, if you think Scientology is the first religion
> based on money, then think again. Take a look in the history books for
> Henry 8th and the reformation of the monasteries. Or the mormons with their
> 10% of income. The Jewish and moslem faiths are also based on people
> handing over large amounts of cash.
I Don't think that. Hubbard knew it too that is why he started a religion.
This is documented.
>
> So come on you guys. Make a move towards a more positive future. Don't
> hang on to all those rusty old chains from your past. It's not worth it.
> Honest.
>
>
People do what they believe is right. We are doing what we believe is the
thing to do. We want to spare the vunerable the things we have experienced
and if something I say can save one mothers child, I have done my job. It is
very important to me to be sure that when my eyes close for the last time I
can smile and say, "I was a good human-being, I helped the world become a
tiny bit better by being here" That is my life's goal. Must I achieve it
the way you want me to or may I procede to blaze my own trail?
I admire your ability to just let it go and if that works for you than so be
it. It does not work for me today. Maybe someday it will, I don't know. My
life's plans are not written in stone and are subject to change when the time
seems right. But, I am also a very tenacious person, I won't give up or out.
Please visit us again soon.
roxthefox1
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