Upon further reflection regarding the proposed "truce"
Anonymous
I have been doing a little bit of thinking regarding this proposed
"truce" They call for a cease-fire. What the hell are they talking
about. I am a critic of this organization because of the way I *think*
When I read about their policies and atrocities my mind is appalled.
A "truce" implies that there is some sort of effort on our part to
injure those in Scientology. This is not the case. We are trying to
reform a *criminal* organization. Do police stop working on
Christmas? No. Why is that? Because criminals continue to operate on
Christmas. The COS will still have people in the RPF on Christmas,
They will still have people going through the purif and the
introspection rundown, they will still be charging people for
salvation, The truce they are calling for is for us as critics to
stop criticizing. (I'm not sure what their side would be...would they
stop dead-agenting people?) I can not stop criticizing this group.
Fundamentally they are asking us to change the way we think for a few
days. Well, I'm not going to succomb to this form of mind-control nor
will i succomb to any other form.
Inducto
>A "truce" implies that there is some sort of effort on our part to
>injure those in Scientology. This is not the case. We are trying to
>reform a *criminal* organization. Do police stop working on
>Christmas? No. Why is that? Because criminals continue to operate on
>Christmas. The COS will still have people in the RPF on Christmas,
>They will still have people going through the purif and the
>introspection rundown, they will still be charging people for
>salvation, The truce they are calling for is for us as critics to
>stop criticizing. (I'm not sure what their side would be...would they
>stop dead-agenting people?) I can not stop criticizing this group.
>Fundamentally they are asking us to change the way we think for a few
>days. Well, I'm not going to succomb to this form of mind-control nor
>will i succomb to any other form.
I would suggest, then, that perhaps the principled thing to do is on Christmas
day to ONLY critize objectionable CoS practices that you believe to be going on
that day -- RPF, staff working 18/7, Sea Org families who can't afford
christmas for their children, Sea Org teenagers no longer in school and working
on 18/7, etc. (if CoS wants to deny this happens, then they should open ALL
their facilities to the media on christmas day for inspection). Refrain from
personal attacks on scientologists or even their leaders, and other criticims
not relevant to what actually goes on in CoS during the holidays. It would
actually be more poignant and impactful to focus on only these things for a few
days.
I also think it would be a great thing to ask the Red Cross to help get
messages and packages to those who have disappeared into scientology, or to get
scientology to at least provide families with information about whether their
loved ones are known to be alive and well -- even getting a current "letter of
disconnection" (meaning the scientology member wants no contact) would be
comfort to some families that have not heard from members in years or decades.
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The fallacy of asking for a "truce" is the assumption that there is someone to
ask for a truce with. It assumes that opposition to the criminal cult is
centrally directed and managed, and that someone can decide questions like this
for all critics. This is simply false. All critics make their own decisions.
Some may "agree" to this, most won't. Remember the official ARSCC slogan "We do
not exist."
You won't hear much from me on Christmas, simply because I will be out of town
and away from the internet. But don't worry, I will keep spreading the word
about the criminal cult.
Xenu Mania
On 19 Dec 1997, Inducto wrote:
> I also think it would be a great thing to ask the Red Cross to help get
> messages and packages to those who have disappeared into scientology, or to get
> scientology to at least provide families with information about whether their
> loved ones are known to be alive and well -- even getting a current "letter of
> disconnection" (meaning the scientology member wants no contact) would be
> comfort to some families that have not heard from members in years or decades.
That would be a nice gesture of good will, but it requires that Co$ give
up information about itself.
The only reason Co$ would suggest a truce would be to regroup. That is in
accordance with their Battle Tactics policy.
Joe Cisar
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Inducto wrote in message <19971219193...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
Why?! News comes as it comes.
>I also think it would be a great thing to ask the Red Cross to help get
>messages and packages to those who have disappeared into scientology, or to
get
>scientology to at least provide families with information about whether
their
>loved ones are known to be alive and well -- even getting a current "letter
of
>disconnection" (meaning the scientology member wants no contact) would be
>comfort to some families that have not heard from members in years or
decades.
>
>Inducto
Now this one is a Capital idea.
---Alec
Alec
Xenu Mania wrote in message ...
>
>On 19 Dec 1997, Inducto wrote:
>
>> I also think it would be a great thing to ask the Red Cross to help get
>> messages and packages to those who have disappeared into scientology, or
to get
>> scientology to at least provide families with information about whether
their
>> loved ones are known to be alive and well -- even getting a current
"letter of
>> disconnection" (meaning the scientology member wants no contact) would be
>> comfort to some families that have not heard from members in years or
decades.
>
>That would be a nice gesture of good will, but it requires that Co$ give
>up information about itself.
Perhaps, but the Press could focus attention on the church's refusals to the
Red Cross requests for family's rights.
>The only reason Co$ would suggest a truce would be to regroup. That is in
>accordance with their Battle Tactics policy.
Not quite so. To take a week off from their frenzied production quotas
would make them downstat for that week--Non-Existence Condition or lower.
This is so much against Hubbard Policy that they would have to consider
themselves criminal to do it.
They are simply trying to take the high ground, by taking some action that
they themselves have "caused" rather than being the effect of critics. It
is likely that they have some other result in mind, such as presenting us as
unwilling to make a truce. Remember this is a group for whom "truce" is
"lower Ethics". Because of their "Ethics" and its production quotas, you
can depend on them not relaxing for any period of time whatsoever.
Their offer to stop hostilities (which is the only action they take on ARS)
is sheer deception.
---Alec
>Joe Cisar
Jens Tingleff
In article <349ac1be...@news.shore.net>, anon...@anonymous.net
(Anonymous) wrote:
[..]
> A "truce" implies that there is some sort of effort on our part to
> injure those in Scientology. This is not the case. We are trying to
> reform a *criminal* organization. Do police stop working on
> Christmas? No. Why is that? Because criminals continue to operate on
> Christmas. The COS will still have people in the RPF on Christmas,
> They will still have people going through the purif and the
> introspection rundown, they will still be charging people for
> salvation, The truce they are calling for is for us as critics to
> stop criticizing. (I'm not sure what their side would be...would they
> stop dead-agenting people?) I can not stop criticizing this group.
[..]
Well put, and agreed on
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Joe Harrington
Talks of a "truce" is right out of "The Art of War", a standard
reference for OSA.
Joe
David Gerard
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:06:10 -0500, Joe Harrington
<joe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
:Talks of a "truce" is right out of "The Art of War", a standard
:reference for OSA.
Got a quote?
Mike O'Connor
In article <34ad3e8f...@202.12.87.97>, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David
Gerard) wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:06:10 -0500, Joe Harrington
> <joe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> :Talks of a "truce" is right out of "The Art of War", a standard
> :reference for OSA.
>
> Got a quote?
I just posted what I think is the whole thing. The words "truce" and
"talk" are not there. But "deception?" A basic concept. -Mike
Rob Clark
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 07:37:03 GMT, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David
Gerard) wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:06:10 -0500, Joe Harrington
><joe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>:Talks of a "truce" is right out of "The Art of War", a standard
>:reference for OSA.
>Got a quote?
book 9 troop maneuvers
from
"on studying the enemy"
"2. inference from their activities
[skip i)]
ii. the contrivance of shams
when without prior arrangements
a ceasefire is requested,
this indicates a scheme"
from j. h huang translation
rob
Ralph Hilton
>Talks of a "truce" is right out of "The Art of War", a standard
>reference for OSA.
>
>Joe
The only reference I found was in ch. XI :
38. When envoys are sent with compliments in their mouths,
it is a sign that the enemy wishes for a truce.
This doesn't seem relevant.
Is there another reference?
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Geoff Burling
On 19 Dec 1997 19:33:46 GMT, ind...@aol.com (Inducto) saith:
>>A "truce" implies that there is some sort of effort on our part to
>>injure those in Scientology. This is not the case. We are trying to
>>reform a *criminal* organization. Do police stop working on
>>Christmas? No. Why is that? Because criminals continue to operate on
>>Christmas. The COS will still have people in the RPF on Christmas,
>>They will still have people going through the purif and the
>>introspection rundown, they will still be charging people for
>>salvation, The truce they are calling for is for us as critics to
>>stop criticizing. (I'm not sure what their side would be...would they
>>stop dead-agenting people?) I can not stop criticizing this group.
>>Fundamentally they are asking us to change the way we think for a few
>>days. Well, I'm not going to succomb to this form of mind-control nor
>>will i succomb to any other form.
>
>I would suggest, then, that perhaps the principled thing to do is on Christmas
>day to ONLY critize objectionable CoS practices that you believe to be going on
>that day -- RPF, staff working 18/7, Sea Org families who can't afford
>christmas for their children, Sea Org teenagers no longer in school and working
>on 18/7, etc. (if CoS wants to deny this happens, then they should open ALL
>their facilities to the media on christmas day for inspection). Refrain from
>personal attacks on scientologists or even their leaders, and other criticims
>not relevant to what actually goes on in CoS during the holidays. It would
>actually be more poignant and impactful to focus on only these things for a few
>days.
>
Inducto, that was the point of my offer of a cease-fire to the CoS. If
they give the day off to staff in three offices somewhere in the world
(I said two, but suggested that they may want to do it to three just
to make sure an emergency of some kind won't make it appear that they
only bothered to close one), then I would not ask for a birthday
present that CoS documents be posted here on 29 December, the date of
my birthday.
If this appears to be blackmail, then my only defense is to ask, why
must I blackmail the CoS into showing leniency & kindness to its
employees? If stats suffer at two or three of their offices, will the
CoS come to a sudden end? I'd argue the opposite: with a full day off
for rest, relaxation, & endulging in the Second Dynamic with their
families, these offices might just show an INCREASE in their stats.
Just in case the people who can make this deal work (not Wonderfulr,
who appears to have made the original offer sincerely, nor Ronsamigo
or Cassie10, who appear to have mimicked him for reasons we suspect -
I am addressing this to the OSA staffers who will be passing this
along to David Miscavidge) haven't seen the terms of my deal before, I
will repeat it again:
There are 2 Scieno Offices in Portland: one on Salmon street, the
other on Washington - both downtown. I'm going to drive by them at
some point Christmas Day, & see if they are open. My criteria is
simple: if the lights are on, there's a sign that says ``OPEN" & I see
someone inside, I'll consider that office open.
If either one is open for business, & CoS staffers are working to
bring up their stats, I'll consider your offer fo a cease-fire
insincere. You want us critics to give something, but aren't willing
to give something of your own. For there to be a ceae-fire, there has
to be a compromise. And all I'm asking is that you give yoru own
people the day off. Hopefully with pay - but I won't go around asking
for pay stubs, so I'll take you on your word at this.
And if you don't live up to your part of the bargain? My birthday
falls on 29 December. As a present, if you don't close AT LEAST the
Portland offices so the staffers can have the day off, I'm going to
ask for a birthday present. Someone reposting the Babywatch Diaries on
Lisa McPherson would be nice. Some of the Hubbard lectures like the
``Implant Station" one, or something else from the Apollo would also
be nice. NOTS or the L-series would be super. A high-level Hubbard
writing that has yet to be printed on the Internet would make my day!
But only if you made your staffers work.
However ... (curious how there is always a ``however" here) however,
what if a faithful public needs some attention that day? Or there is
some other emergency that requires the CoS to be on site. I have a
simple solution for that: if one office is closed in Portland, AND I
see a report of at least one other office closed somewhere else in the
world, I'll consider that good enough. Heck, the staff at three
offices getting a holiday? I consider that worth a cease-fire. And it
would be good PR for the CoS organization as a whole!
Chances are quite good that we'll hear about it on ARS. Ted Mayett
says he'll drive by his Los Vegas offices. I'm sure curious critics in
other cities will take a moment & check on the CoS offices in their
cities. And we need TWO offices reported closed for the holiday to
keep me from asking for a birthday present.
As I said a few days ago, do we have a deal?
Geoff
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On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:09:39 GMT, xe...@mindspring.com (Rob Clark)
saith:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 07:37:03 GMT, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David
>Gerard) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:06:10 -0500, Joe Harrington
>><joe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>:Talks of a "truce" is right out of "The Art of War", a standard
>>:reference for OSA.
>
>>Got a quote?
>
>book 9 troop maneuvers
>from
>"on studying the enemy"
>
>"2. inference from their activities
>
>[skip i)]
>
>ii. the contrivance of shams
>
>when without prior arrangements
>a ceasefire is requested,
>this indicates a scheme"
>
>
>from j. h huang translation
>
I found this in the Samuel B. Griffth translation in Book 9, section
28. (p.120 for those with the Oxford paperback edition).
I haven't been able to verify Ralph Hilton's quotation yet. Part of
the trouble of trying to coordinate different translations based on
different editions.