The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
Magoo
Hello again out there!
.......You see what happens when you start the program, you have to turn in
all your IDs; drivers' licence, passport, VISAs, credit cards, cash etc. My
credit cards are probably expired anyway and I can get new ones. I can
always figure out how to get some new valid ID. All RPFers' valuable
documents are kept in a file cabinet locked up so that you cannot take off
with your own documents. You are also not allowed to have more than $20 in
cash in your pocket, and if you manage to save up more, instead of spending
it in the canteen, you are supposed to turn it in for safe keeping. I guess
another freak-control-mechanism, making it really hard to blow. If the RPFer
is not from the US, a passport is obviously needed to get home, and it would
take some time and money to report it stolen and get a new one. I guess the
idea is that security will be able to find you "off guard," without any ID,
job, money, credit cards etc. I can imagine that it takes some guts to blow
not because you're fed up with the scene here but for the main reason that
you are hitting the streets with no money, no ID and no place to stay...
What I wanted to say with this letter is something that I have had a
lot of attention on for quite some time. Specifically there are two RPFers
that are REALLY SICK AND NEED OF PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL CARE. I will take one
at the time. The first RPFer is named Uwe Stuckenbrock. He arrived in the
RPF here in PAC around 2001, but I believe he was on the RPF in Happy Valley
before he came here. He is diagnosed with MS, Multiple Sclerosis, a disease
that from what I understand (from having looked it up in the encyclopedia)
there is no known cure for. Over the last 3 years, I have watched him
getting worse and worse, though it seems that he is getting some of
attention and care. When he arrived he had a hard time walking by himself,
and this has deteriorated to the point of needing full time around the clock
assistance. He always has one or two other RPFers caring for him, as at this
point he cannot even make it to the bathroom by himself. He cannot walk at
all now and he has to be taken around in a wheel chair. What I don't
understand is that although he is being treated with a lot of natural foods
and juices and vitamins and assists he's getting worse and worse. He does go
to the local hospital sometimes with two people escorting him. He's getting
checkups at LA County Hospital or somewhere, where the church is getting
free service on Medicare, because we RPFers simply don't have any money for
any medical bills. Not long ago, we had to prepare a separate room for him
on the 2nd floor in the West wing, next to the stairwell towards Catalina
Street. He had been in the hospital and in critical condition. When he came
back he needed a cleaner, more private environment to recover. We spent
several days gutting out a little closed off room (where the other guy was
living that I'm going to tell you about, Mike Eves). The space was filthy
and outrageously dusty, like it hadn't been cleaned for months. We repainted
the entire room, put up new curtains, put in a new carpet, new cabinets,
etc. Uwe was living in a little curtained off space in a room with about 50
other guys.(the room I told you about earlier, with the bunks crammed in and
up to the ceiling.) It was decided that Uwe's condition was more critical
than Mike's, so we were ordered to switch their places!! Mike was recovering
from a very critical operation for cancer, and HAD ONE LUNG REMOVED! Having
watched this scene going on for years, it is obvious to me that THESE TWO
GUYS WILL NEVER MAKE IT OUT OF THE RPF ALIVE! It's technically impossible,
as you have to "make someone else better" i.e. your twin, in order to
graduate. These guys don't even have twins and are just fighting to stay
alive. Come on! Uwe cannot even get up to go to the bathroom. What in hell
is he doing in the RPF?? He cannot be getting enough professional care and
attention and it's INHUMAN to watch what is going on. All the other RPFers
are probably also outraged, but are suppressing their own feelings, in the
hope of not missing their own chance to get out of here. I'm actually
wondering how long these guys will survive and why they are not granted some
forgiveness for whatever they were assigned to the RPF for. Human decency
would be to sign them in to a proper nursing home to recover or at least die
in peace. The one theory that I have is this: Uwe Stuckenbrock was the
International Security Chief at Hemet. O'boy! What would happen if he had
the opportunity to let the world know what is going on up there or the
security issues that exist all over the planet. I'm sure that he's kept in
the RPF so won't be able to leak any data out. When he arrived on the RPF he
was at the caselevel of OT III and from what I heard, don't know if this is
true, but his MS turned on while he was auditing on this level. So what has
been done over the last 3 years to "handle" this? He completed OT III, was
audited through OT IV and has been getting sessions on OT V for at least one
year - I guess in the hope that he'd be getting better, but he's NOT
IMPROVING! He is getting worse!
OK, the next guy, Mike Eves. He also came from INT. I believe that he
arrived around the end of 2001. At first he was auditing and had a twin and
was doing the official program. For some reason he got sick and it turned
out that he had lung cancer. It was so critical that it was thought to be
terminal, but through some miracle he managed to survive. He had an
operation and they took out one of his lungs and he spent the last 2 years
recovering from this tragedy. And get this: his wife Cherie Eves (also in
the RPF) was assigned to care for him and she did so excellently. She was
with him day and night for months and his son Paul Eves, (ALSO HERE IN THE
RPF and also from INT headquarters!!) was with him in the hospital. I
believe he was so critical that he might die so he was allowed to be
attended by his son and wife. Can you believe it, the entire family in the
RPF under these conditions? Cherie "graduated" not long ago and went back to
work at Bridge Publications. She is responsible for the printing and
publishing of new LRH books and volumes coming out. I just don't see that
they will EVER get back together as a family. Since Cherie is gone, Mike
looks very lonely and it must be hard to be in a room alone with nothing to
do. The RPF rules apply to him to; you cannot have any news papers, cannot
listen to any radio, no CD's or any music of any kind, much less any TV.
TOTALLY CUT OFF FROM THE ENTIRE WORLD. By the way, you cannot read any
novels either, only books written by LRH. He looks depressed and very
unhappy, and I wish I could do anything to cheer him up. I don't see any
hope of any future for him, as it is right now, he is also doomed to die in
the RPF, as nobody is "letting him off the hook." I have no clue what he was
doing at the INT headquarters, but obviously he is a danger and menace to
David M's regime, and is being disposed of like Uwe.
Please do something for these guys, before it's too late. I hate to see
their last document being published that "they served the Sea Organization
for xx amount of years and are granted a 21 year leave of absence before
they come back." This is a fact, this is what is written for anybody who
dies in the Sea Org and it closes their PC folder, it is the last document.
When you "come back" in the next body, you can "continue up the Bridge from
where you left off." This "honorable" document is always written by
Executive Director Int, Guillome Lesevre. I hate to see these guys dying
here in the RPF and I wish they could get proper, professional medical care
under no mental and physical stress.
On a similar issue, I wonder why older people are being put through the
same level of physical stress as the younger ones. The rule is in the RPF
that "you must always run." The former Captain of AOSH ANZO in Sydney is
here in the RPF, her name is Elaine Allen. She's about 60 years old and is
expected to work all the same hours. She has complained of aches and pains
in her hands from the hard physical work. The pain is so bad that she has a
hard time writing, typing and auditing which makes it even more difficult to
get through the RPF training program. Oh! by the way, another rule for
RPFers is that we cannot take any elevators. The showers are located on the
6th and 7th floor for the RPF in the big blue building. We take a shower
every day, and I don't want to calculate how many times I have run up and
down those stairs over the years... There are a few people that have bad
physical problems who get special permission by the RPF I/C to take the
elevator, but that's very few. Most of Elaine's family is in the Sea Org and
her son is working at OSA International in Hollywood. Another guy named
Henry Woodruff actually made it out of here alive earlier this year. He was
over 60, but very healthy and strong. However, what I didn't understand
about his situation was that he had to wait for OVER 6 MONTHS to be able to
leave. He had a "Committee of Evidence" that had to get approved before he
could leave, then he had to wait some more months for his $500 severance
pay. He was in the RPF's RPF for over 6 months, doing physical work in the
basement with the other guys for 10 hours a day - AT THE AGE OF 60!! I'm
sure he caught up with the "real world" when he was finally allowed to
leave. I don't know if he just got Fitness Boarded out or if he got SP
declared.
There are also a bunch of kids here that are under age. One that graduated
is Cameron Allsop. He was at the International Ranch for the kids, and when
he was about 14 or so, he fooled around with some girls or whatever and got
himself RPFed for out 2D. (Pretty normal for a boy that age to be interested
in girls as I recall, but not in the sea org!!) When he arrived in the RPF
he could barely read, due to his very low education level. It took him about
4-5 years to get through the program and he finally graduated with his twin
Eric Smith. Eric is back at CC Int as a security guard and Cameron is
working at ASHO Day. They are both about 18 or 20 now. It's common that
teenagers in the Sea Org get curious about sex, and not being allowed to
explore mother nature, they "do it anyway" and find themselves on the RPF.
These Sea Org kids grow up seeing there parents once a day for an hour at
most and often barely ever see them at all. How do you start a relationship
or a marriage, not being allowed to explore and enjoy what has been "the
birds and the bees" on this planet since Man developed? There is a frantic
control of the "2nd Dynamic" which is called the "family or sex dynamic." If
you want to look it up somewhere else, LRH explains what the "8 Dynamics"
are. I've seen it's a common thing that young Sea Org members get married
just to be able to "stick to the rules and still experience sex." Then if it
doesn't work out, a divorce follows shortly after. There IS NO FAMILY LIFE
in the Sea Org and what is there is frantically controlled. I think the
above should give you an idea of what some members are going through. I hate
to admit to this, but I have spent many hours "recruiting Sea Org members"
over the years before I came to the RPF. Any recruiter will paint up a story
how good it is and "it will all work out once you are a dedicated Sea Org
Member." I guess these newsletters should not be mistaken for "Recruitment
letters"!! Or what do you say? Come and join me! The RPF is ONLY for Sea Org
members and it's FREE! All they want is your mind, your soul, your life and
your next billion years.
"The RPF Insider"
roger gonnet
"Magoo" <mag...@att.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
4162...@news2.lightlink.com...
Excllent. I must change my opinion from an answer below, when I spoke of the
image RPFI's could try to give to the RPF. This is not a better image than
before, it's even worse if verified; as far as we knew, no reports have been
done from people dying or near to die in the RPF, or pool's /running
programs. No such things as cancers, etc. Old SO members have been RPFed
(particularly in EU, when the 1982's AOSH EU was struck by the crazy new
management: there were people well over 60 years there, and they have been
RPFed.
r
Phil Scott
"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net> wrote in message
news:4162433b$0$12414$636a...@news.free.fr...
We should be able to use this information to get state of
california law enforcement to check into the situations of
these dying people....also the practice of forcing old folks
to work 10 hours a day and run all the time.
Phil Scott
>
>
RolandRB
> The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
>
>
>
> Hello again out there!
I do not believe that anybody on the RPF has the leisure time to write
reports like this, let alone the chance to get it out to the outside
world and remain undetected when these reports are published. Sorry,
but somebody is having us on.
Fishman - that you?
Roland
Chuckbeatty77
Beatty.
I am only surfacing for a second to confirm that this RPF Insider is accurate.
Having been on the PAC RPF from Nov 2000 until I finally left the Sea Org in
the end of March 2003, I can vouch for all the info this person has said about
the PAC RPF. This person is on the MARK absolutely. I hope this person can
give me a call, 412-260-1170. If this person knew about my "baby watch", and
my former twin, Maj Wheelis, then this person is absolutely on the MARK, and
I'd like to talk to them.
Chuck Beatty
Ex-Sea Org 27 years, '75-'03
chuckb...@aol.com
412-260-1170
PS: I was posting on CLambake and FactNet about a month ago, then I got a
"gag" phone call and I was sent a "Gag" letter and a copy of the "waiver" I
signed when I left the Sea Org. I am still waiting to hear back from lawyers
about the "waiver" I signed upon leaving the Sea Org, whether it will hold up
in court, and whether I will risk blatantly violating it, and suffering
whatever the consequences of that might entail.
PSS: I am ecstatic about the news from this RPF Insider, I have to say!!
PSS: Anyone want to phone me, do so in the evenings, 412-260-1170, Pittsburgh
time, from 10pm on. I work 2pm to 8pm nightly. Best to all, Chuck Beatty
Heffer
wrote:
How long do you think it takes to write some shit on a
piece of paper and drop it someplace? Christ, prisoners
of war created documents and all kinds of clever shit
during WWII.
How do you think drugs get into high security prisons
and other stuff out? Scientology might be run like
a police state, but they aren't exactly the KGB.
---
Heffer, OSA Lackey, H-Group
#315905 on the Dorian List
Regurgitating Propagandist
Heffer
>The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
> .......You see what happens when you start the program, you have to turn in
>all your IDs; drivers' licence, passport, VISAs, credit cards, cash etc. My
>credit cards are probably expired anyway and I can get new ones. I can
>always figure out how to get some new valid ID.
Actually, all you have to do is have a cop in tow and claim that
someone in the building stole your ID and other documents. Name
a name or two, whatever it takes, until the shitheads cough up
the goods.
What are they going to do, produce a document saying you
voluntarily left them there?
Nessie
"Magoo" <mag...@att.net> schreef in bericht
news:4162...@news2.lightlink.com...
If these people die, Scientology very simply MURDERED AND
TORTURED them.
"Dispose of them quietly" ,these 'downstat' people, right Scientology
motherfuckers?
Well, I predict these sick people won't go all that quietly, you sick
clamdicks.
Tory, I hope you are delivering these messages to be handled
by the right authorities, especially this one.
I don't give rats if this person is in or out of RPF as long as the
messages are true/genuine.
Man, am I mad as hell.
Piltdown Man
Heffer <hef...@scientologylies.com> wrote in article
<41629da5...@news2.lightlink.com>...
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:02:15 -0700, "Magoo" <mag...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
>
>> .......You see what happens when you start the program, you have to
>>turn in all your IDs; drivers' licence, passport, VISAs, credit cards,
>>cash etc.
And this is exactly the kind of thing that makes the psychology of
hard-core Scientologists like these RPF'ers so difficult to understand to
outsiders like me: why on earth do people *voluntarily* submit to abusive
behaviour like this?
>> My credit cards are probably expired anyway and I can get
>>new ones. I can always figure out how to get some new valid ID.
>
> Actually, all you have to do is have a cop in tow and claim that
> someone in the building stole your ID and other documents. Name
> a name or two, whatever it takes, until the shitheads cough up
> the goods.
>
> What are they going to do, produce a document saying you
> voluntarily left them there?
That's what I was wondering too while reading this. Unless they're
literally locked up and incommunicado, which doesn't seem to be the case
with these RPF'ers, why can't someone who wants to leave just walk up to
the first cop they see and report the fact that all their ID documents,
credit cards, cash,... have been taken away, that they know who took them
and where they are currently held, and that they refuse to return them? I
don't know how things are in LA, but where I live I'm sure you'd be back on
Scientology's doorstep with a couple of cops in tow to help you retrieve
your possessions within a *very* short time.
a...@123.net
> >
> > r
>
> We should be able to use this information to get state of
> california law enforcement to check into the situations of
> these dying people....also the practice of forcing old folks
> to work 10 hours a day and run all the time.
>
> Phil Scott
> >
> >
60 aint old...is this rpf insider a grizzled veteran of 25 or 26 years
of age?
you dont even have much perspective on life until 50!
but if true, the rpf shouldnt be the place to recover from cancer or
confront ms....
Mike Gormez
<ivehaditw...@sorry.sorry> wrote in
<01c4ab06$26801c20$LocalHost@gateway>:
>>>The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
>>
>>> .......You see what happens when you start the program, you have to
>>>turn in all your IDs; drivers' licence, passport, VISAs, credit cards,
>>>cash etc.
>
>And this is exactly the kind of thing that makes the psychology of
>hard-core Scientologists like these RPF'ers so difficult to understand to
>outsiders like me: why on earth do people *voluntarily* submit to abusive
>behaviour like this?
I guess that this behaviour is what RVY was talking about as the new model
of mind-contole; the battered women syndrome
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&selm=88v9aa%24995%241%40eskinews.eskimo.com
or http://tinyurl.com/3rsek
--
Mike Gormez
- WISE is Scientology recruitment in the workplace http://stop-wise.biz/
- Scientology and health http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
- 'Religious' child abuse and neglect http://www.taxexemptchildabuse.net/
- Hubbard on psychs http://whyaretheydead.net/misc/scientology_hatred_of_psychiatry.html
Rev. Desertphile de Rothschild
>>> .......You see what happens when you start the program, you have to
>>>turn in all your IDs; drivers' licence, passport, VISAs, credit cards,
>>>cash etc.
> And this is exactly the kind of thing that makes the psychology
> of hard-core Scientologists like these RPF'ers so difficult to
> understand to outsiders like me: why on earth do people *voluntarily*
> submit to abusive behaviour like this?
For the very same reason battered women tend to stay with the men who
beat them: it is an issue of feeling powerless. Victims of Scientology
Inc., as with battered women and children, often literally cannot find
the inner strength to do what it takes to end the abuse. Their sense
of will is destroyed.
---
RE-ELECT PRESIDENT GORE IN 2004
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:051020040834529321%skipsp...@charter.net...
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> You need to call the cops about these sick guys, Tory.
>
> If you don't, you're as complicit as the folks running the RPF.
And I can say the same for you, Skip. Calling names isn't going to do a
damned thing. At least I'm helping get the information out. What happens
with it.......we shall see.
Tory/Magoo~~
>
> In article <4162...@news2.lightlink.com>, Magoo <mag...@att.net>
Mike Gormez
<deser...@cchr.ws> wrote in <4163...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>>>> .......You see what happens when you start the program, you have to
>>>>turn in all your IDs; drivers' licence, passport, VISAs, credit cards,
>>>>cash etc.
>
>> And this is exactly the kind of thing that makes the psychology
>> of hard-core Scientologists like these RPF'ers so difficult to
>> understand to outsiders like me: why on earth do people *voluntarily*
>> submit to abusive behaviour like this?
>
>For the very same reason battered women tend to stay with the men who
>beat them: it is an issue of feeling powerless. Victims of Scientology
>Inc., as with battered women and children, often literally cannot find
>the inner strength to do what it takes to end the abuse. Their sense
>of will is destroyed.
Okay, fair enough. But what about if someone did find strength and
decided s/he had enough? Why do they stay, for the 500 bucks severance
package?
Dave Touretzky
Mike Gormez <mgo...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>Okay, fair enough. But what about if someone did find strength and
>decided s/he had enough? Why do they stay, for the 500 bucks severance
>package?
It's more than just $500 cash and a boot out the door. The cult tells
the departing Sea Orger that if they route out properly, inclding
signing the legal waiver, Scientology will help them find a place to
stay and some kind of employment. (This is actually in the cult's
interest, to avoid a PR flap. Having ex-Sea Org hanging around town
homeless and indigent would look bad.)
Also, leaving in good standing means the cult will not be trying to
ruin the person's life, or forbidding all contact between them and
people still in Scientology.
So I can see how "routing out" according to the rules might seem like
a reasonable option to someone who didn't want to be a Sea Ogre
anymore. Except that the cult has now made routing out extremely
difficult. But Sea Ogres are used to abuse and bureaucracy, so I
guess they're conditioned to accept this.
-- Dave Touretzky: "Like the post office, but with cheesier uniforms."
http://ScientologyWatch.org http://LisaClause.org
barb
> snip
>
>>>r
>>
>>We should be able to use this information to get state of
>>california law enforcement to check into the situations of
>>these dying people....also the practice of forcing old folks
>>to work 10 hours a day and run all the time.
>>
>>Phil Scott
>>
>>>
>
> 60 aint old...is this rpf insider a grizzled veteran of 25 or 26 years
> of age?
When it comes to doing hard physical labor, 60 is old.
>
> you dont even have much perspective on life until 50!
That has nothing to do with doing hard physical labor.
>
> but if true, the rpf shouldnt be the place to recover from cancer or
> confront ms....
"Confront ms?" LOL, you're busted! Nobody but Scientologists use that
term in this way!
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
Quaoar
You should have to "confront" MS. Let us all know how your
"confronting" MS works out for you .
Q
Zinj
There seems to be some confusion here. 'Routing Out' of the Sea Org is
not the same as 'graduating' from the RPF. According to 'insider',
declaring that one wants to leave the Sea Org (much less Scientology
itself) results in far more stringent security, including 24/7 guarding
and additional 'security checks' that are not common to the RPF as a
whole, or even the RPF's RPF.
Insider himself is not claiming to want to 'route out', but merely to
'graduate' from the RPF with minimal fuss, for whatever reason. Possibly
in order to more easily blow? Dunno.
In any case, it's still not entirely clear why 'insider' is still
inside; whether it's because of fear of being caught, or merely to avoid
'making waves' that might come back later to bite him.
If I understand it right, Chuck did 'route out' from the Sea Org (and
out of RPF), but most RPFers are merely looking to 'graduate', which
means back into the Sea Org and in 'good standing'.
Some of the sickest in RPF are merely being tortured there while they
wait for the 'board' to toss them out for being sick.
Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
a...@123.net
> a...@123.net wrote:
> > snip
> >
> >>>r
> >>
> >>We should be able to use this information to get state of
> >>california law enforcement to check into the situations of
> >>these dying people....also the practice of forcing old folks
> >>to work 10 hours a day and run all the time.
> >>
> >>Phil Scott
> >>
> >>>
> >
> > 60 aint old...is this rpf insider a grizzled veteran of 25 or 26 years
> > of age?
>
> When it comes to doing hard physical labor, 60 is old.
Can only be said by someone afraid of physical work.
What do you do for a living? welfare?
> >
> > you dont even have much perspective on life until 50!
>
> That has nothing to do with doing hard physical labor.
> >
> > but if true, the rpf shouldnt be the place to recover from cancer or
> > confront ms....
>
> "Confront ms?" LOL, you're busted! Nobody but Scientologists use that
> term in this way!
well what a realization youve just had! that maybe I'm a Scientologist!
You're not as stupid as I heard!
I dont mean confront as in sit in a chair and do trs with it.
Confront as in having to live and ultimately die too soon with it...
a...@123.net
"Quaoar" <qua...@tenthplanet.net> wrote:
fuck you too.... :)
barb
> In article <4163...@news2.lightlink.com>, barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>a...@123.net wrote:
>>
>>>snip
>>>
>>>
>>>>>r
>>>>
>>>>We should be able to use this information to get state of
>>>>california law enforcement to check into the situations of
>>>>these dying people....also the practice of forcing old folks
>>>>to work 10 hours a day and run all the time.
>>>>
>>>>Phil Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>60 aint old...is this rpf insider a grizzled veteran of 25 or 26 years
>>>of age?
>>
>>When it comes to doing hard physical labor, 60 is old.
>
>
> Can only be said by someone afraid of physical work.
>
> What do you do for a living? welfare?
>
>>>you dont even have much perspective on life until 50!
>>
>>That has nothing to do with doing hard physical labor.
>>
>>>but if true, the rpf shouldnt be the place to recover from cancer or
>>>confront ms....
>>
>>"Confront ms?" LOL, you're busted! Nobody but Scientologists use that
>>term in this way!
>
>
> well what a realization youve just had! that maybe I'm a Scientologist!
>
> You're not as stupid as I heard!
Pity I can't say the same about you...
>
> I dont mean confront as in sit in a chair and do trs with it.
>
> Confront as in having to live and ultimately die too soon with it...
Confront is not the term commonly used by normal English speakers in
this context. However, since you don't understand its usage within
Scientology, there's a chance that you're not a cult member, just a
substandard, undereducated biatch.
Keith Henson
wrote:
>X-No-archive: yes
>
>You need to call the cops about these sick guys, Tory.
>
>If you don't, you're as complicit as the folks running the RPF.
>
>In article <4162...@news2.lightlink.com>, Magoo <mag...@att.net>
>wrote:
>
>> The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
snip
Skip, have you ever tried to get the cops interested in taking action
where the cult is concerned?
As someone who has tried, *many* times and at many levels I can tell
you that it is close to impossible.
You talk to the local cops, "sorry, but this clearly crosses state
lines so it is a federal problem." Federal types will tell you they
can't investigate "a religion."
The honest ones will say something like "nobody wants to lift the tail
of a skunk."
Now there are signs that this is changing.
Give me a call or send email and I will tell you how and what you
might do.
Keith Henson
Barbara Schwarz
> In article <4867m05vkveoms7pu...@4ax.com>,
> Mike Gormez <mgo...@chello.nl> wrote:
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> >Okay, fair enough. But what about if someone did find strength and
> >decided s/he had enough? Why do they stay, for the 500 bucks severance
> >package?
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> It's more than just $500 cash and a boot out the door. The cult tells
> the departing Sea Orger that if they route out properly, inclding
> signing the legal waiver, Scientology will help them find a place to
> stay and some kind of employment. (This is actually in the cult's
> interest, to avoid a PR flap. Having ex-Sea Org hanging around town
> homeless and indigent would look bad.)
Dave Touretzky, did you kick somebody out of employment without
helping them a place to stay and some kind of employment? Are you
dramatizing your own overts against employees? Is Pamela Lichtenwalner
employed by you? Will you kick her out one day? Will you then blame
your activities on you being overdosed on Viagra or Cialis?
Laserclam, I hope you don't mind me once in a while posting with your
style. Who do I do? Did you ever wonder what the CIA has to do with
Cialis? :)
Barbara Schwarz
Stefano MacGregor
> Dave Touretzky, did you kick somebody out of employment without
> helping them a place to stay and some kind of employment?
Dave would =never= do such a thing, because he is not a Scientologist!
--
Stefano
Feisty
Pretty sad to read these accounts. This is not what people see, nor expect when they join
this cult.
Thanks for forwarding thse messages from the observer, and hope some of these people who
escaped find a better life outside.
Everyone else should LEAVE!
Feisty
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