A psychiatric view with comments on the Admissions by Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (1947)

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Thanks to Roger Gonnet who pointed me to this and of course a Big
thanks to Gerry Armstrong who brought this confessional" writings to
the public. George , you really knew what you were talking about in
your foreword. I know understand why the "church" hates you and
persecutes you and ultimatly fears you so much.

http://www.holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm

Lets go through the text one step at the time and I will make comments
on the way from a psychiatrists perspective.

THE ADMISSIONS OF L. RON HUBBARD

Course I

LRH: The purpose of this experiment is to re-establish the ambition,
willpower, desire to survive, the talent and confidence of myself.

UB: Hubbard finds himself in total despair. No strength, no will to
live, talentless and without self-esteem. This indicates a moderate to
severe depression. He seem honest and is trying to get a grip of
himself and life as a whole.

LRH: To accomplish the above the following fears must be removed

UB: Making a to do list. Structured mind.

LRH: Fear that I have written myself out by writing junk. I built
certain psychoses in myself while living with my former wife as a means
to protect my writing. I affirmed that my writing was hard work and
took much labor. This was a lie. I was always anxious about people's
opinion of me and was afraid I would bore them. This injected anxiety
and careless speed into my work. I must be convinced that I can write
skillfully and well, that I have no phobias about writing and no fears
of it. People criticized my work bitterly at times. I must be convinced
that such people were fools. I must be convinced that I can write far
better than ever before, that a million people at least would be happy
to see my stories. I must be convinced that I have succeeded in writing
and with ease will regain my popularity, which actually was not small.
I must also be convinced that I dictate stories to a dictaphone with
ease.

UB: He is constructing explanations and are trying to convince himself
of having control of his life and lifeevents up till present time . His
anxiety about other peoples opinions indicates that he at heart is a ,
perhaps overly sensitive individual. (The extreme of sensitivity is the
paranoic state). He is also anxious of being rejected - fear of losing
the primary love object - mother. He writes that anxiety has been
injected, eg by an outer force or spirit. Between the lines this
statement also says that he was flawless at start and that his present
state is the result of others doing him wrong. The rest is a list of
self suggestions he has to give himself in order to redress himself.

LRH: (b) My service record was not too glorious. I must be convinced
that I suffer no reaction from any minor disciplinary action, that all
such were minor. My service was honorable, my initiative and ability
high. I have nothing to fear from friends about my service. I can
forget such things as Admiral Braystead. Such people are unworthy of my
notice

UB: Working hard with repression and denial of unpleasant memories.
His statements about the naval experiences makes me spontaneously
recall a great movie:

The Caine Mutiny (1954) With Humphrey Bogart

Plot Outline: When a US Naval captain shows signs of mental instability
that jeopardizes the ship, the first officer relieves him of command
and faces court martial for mutiny.

LRH: (c) I can have no doubts of my psychic powers. My magical ability
is high and clear. I earned my titles and command.

UB: Magical thinking is normal with children but can be pathological
when found in adults with obsessive compulsive disorder ,
schizophrenia or personality disorders of the schizotypal or schizoid
type.

LRH: (d) Any distaste I may have for Jack Parsons originated in a
psychic experiment. Such distaste is foolish. He is my friend and
comrade-in-arms.

UB: Alienating himself again from unwanted earlier behaviour and
activities.

LRH: e) Sexual feeling has been depressed by several things amounting
to a major impasse. To cure ulcers of the stomach I was given
testosterone and stilbesterol. These reduced my libido to nothing.
While taking these drugs I fell in love with Sara. She can be most
exciting sexually to me. Because of drugs as above and a hangover from
my ex-wife Polly, I sometimes am unexcited by anything sexual. This
depresses me.

UB: Mourning his lost manhood and partly blaming his ex wife in the
process. Steroids enhances sexual drive and can cause ulceration in the
stomach, not the other way around as LRH thinks. His lack of sexual
excitement and emotional drive, despite the steroids, is propably the
early signs of anhedonia in the development of the schizophrenia he
undoubtedly developed later.

LRH: My wife left me while I was in a hospital with ulcers. Polly was
quite cruel. She was never a woman for me. She was under-sexed and had
bad sexual habits such as self-laceration done in private. She was no
mate for me and yet I retained much affection for her. It was a
terrible blow when she left me for I was ill and without prospects. I
know, by this, she actually wanted no more than my ability to support
her. This has had an effect of impotency upon me, has badly reduced my
ego.

UB: More blaming Polly. Rejection is a great fear with him . see above
on losing the primary love-object.

LRH: Polly was very bad for me sexually. Because of her coldness
physically, the falsity of her pretensions, I believed myself a near
eunuch between 1933 and 1936 or ? when I found I was attractive to
other women. I had many affairs. But my failure to please Polly made me
always pay so much attention to my momentary mate that I derived small
pleasure myself. This was an anxiety neurosis which cut down my natural
powers.

UB: He is in desperate need of an explanation to his earlier
shortcomings, not least in the sexual area, and it has to be an
explanation that he can live with and that can give his strength back.
His focus on the momentary mate on the expense of self pleasure nad
self worth, is likely the product of self obliteration, wich is
commenly seen with those having experienced emotional and psychological
neglect in early childhood.

LRH: In 1938-39 I met a girl in New York, Helen, who pleased me very
much physically. I loved her and she me. The affair would have lasted
had not Polly found out. Polly made things so miserable that I finally
detested her and became detested by Helen, who two-timed me on my
return to New York in 1941. This also reduced my libido. I have had
Helen since but no longer want her. She does not excite me and I do not
love her.

UB: Blaming again, unable to perform a selfcritical "rundown",eg
reflect of his personal contribution to the overall drama of
shortcomings - bad prognosis. Narcissistic struck, no doubt.

LRH: In 1942 - December 17th or thereabouts - while training in Miami,
Florida, I met a girl named Ginger who excited me. She was a very loose
person but pretended a great love for me. From her I received an
infection of gonnohorea (sp?). I was terrified by it, the consequences
of being discovered by my wife, the navy, my friends. I went to a
private doctor who treated me with sulfa-thiazole and so forth. I
thought I was cured but on a plane headed to Portland, Ore. I found I
was not. I took to dosing myself with sulfa in such quantities that I
was afraid I had affected my brain. My wife came to Portland. I took
what precautions I could. I think actually that the disease was utterly
cured very early. This fear further depressed my libido. My wife
disliked the act anyway, I believe, even after she had a hysterectomy
in 1938. (She was always terrified of childbirth but conceived despite
all precautions seven times in five years resulting in five abortions
and two children. I am quite fond of my children but my wife always
tried to convince me that I hated them.)

UB: Obsessed with his libido and sexual performance. Obviously lacking
in judgement and exhibiting questionable moral behaviour in
relationships with opposite sex. A mother trying to convince the father
that he hates his children? No way! Mothers critizing fathers of
emotional neglect towards the children? Yes ,quite common. This is
likely the case with LRH, who also shows strong signs of being
emotionally neglected himself.

LRH: I carried this fear of the disease to sea with me. I was
reprimanded in San Diego in mid-43 for firing on the Mexican coast and
was removed from command of my ship. This on top of having sunk two Jap
subs without credit, the way my crew lied for me at the Court of
Inquiry, the insults of the High Command, all combined to put me in the
hospital with ulcers.

UB: Firing on the Mexican coast? To what purpose? Could very well
indicate a short psychotic break with delusions and/or visual
hallucinations. Did he or did he not sink any Jap sub? If not , he is
still delusional. Not being credited for the alleged event and removed
from the ship, indicates the latter . One would expect the US navy to
have the facts and therefore the removal of LRH as a rational decision.
Accusing the crew of lying and the High Command of insults , must be
considered as evidence of his deteriorated mental state of paranoia.

LRH: I returned to sea as navigator of a large ship and was
subsequently selected for the Military Government School at Princeton
whither I went in 1944-45 for three months. During my Princeton sojourn
I was very tired and harrassed (sp?) and spent week-ends with a writer
friend in Philadelphia. He almost forced me to sleep with his wife.
Meanwhile I had a affair with a woman named Ferne. Somehow, perhaps
because I had constantly wet feet and no sleep at Princeton, I
contracted a staphloceus infection. I mistook it for gonnhorea and
until I arrived at Monterey, believed my old illness had returned. I
consulted a doctor there who reassured me. This affair again depressed
my libido. The staphloceus infection has not entirely vanished,
appearing as rheumatism which only small doses of stilbestrol will
remove. The hormone further reduces my libido and I am nearly impotent.

UB: His fatigue and perception of being harrassed in combination with
hypochondria and reduced libido certainly strenghtens the suggestion of
further development of his paranoic schizophrenia.

LRH: Sara, my sweetheart, is young, beautiful, desirable. We are very
gay companions. I please her physically until she weeps about any
separation. I want her always. But I am 13 years older than she. She is
heavily sexed. My libido is so low I hardly admire her naked.

I mean to be constant to her. I love her very much. But to live with
her I must regain my sexual powers, my stimulus.

I must cease to take hormones. I must rebuild my feeling of excitement
about things sexual.

I have a very bad masturbatory history. I was taught when I was 11 and,
despite guilt, fear of insanity, etc. etc. I persisted. At a physical
examination at a Y when I was about 13, the examiner and the people
with him called me out of the line because my testicles hung low and
cautioned me about what would happen if I kept on masturbating. This
"discovery" was a bad shock to me.

I had to be so silent about it that now when a bedspring squeaks I lose
all libido. I eventually found out I would not be insane, or injure
myself but the scars remain.

Polly pretended a hollow passion which disgusted me. But I am
lingeringly fond of her even so. I am also nostalgic about Helen.

UB: More evidence of his anhedonia - emotionally callousness.
Obsessive and compulsive about sexual matters including masturbation,
maybe due to his emotional disability. His constant obsessions of
himself, his shortcomings and disabilities,his lack of libido and
blaming this facts on others , and minimizing and reducing them to the
point of disgust , is in fact highly narcissistic , another trait
typically found in conjunction with schizophrenia.

UB: The list below should be read as a list of LRH´s testimony of his
disabilities and shortcomings, wich he with the help of selfhypnosis
- selfsuggestions- is trying to overcome and cure.
A temporary boost of selfconfidence by this method is likely , but a
cure for his schizophrenia is not. Continuation of selfhypnosis ,
especially with regards to unreal suggestions, would constitute a
serious risk of persistant lack of realitytesting - psychosis!
Suggestions under (u),(x) and (y1) is psychotic in nature.
Suggestions under (y),(b1) and (e1) indicates the presence of suicidal
ideations and impulses.

LRH: By eliminating certain fears by hypnosis, curing my rheumatism and
laying off hormones, I hope to restore my former libido. I must! By
hypnosis I must be convinced as follows:

(a) I can write. I need not think commercially about writing.

(b) My mind is still brilliant. My memory unaffected by drugs or
experience.

(c) That masturbation was no sin or crime and did not injure me. That
no sexual practice has ever dulled me.

(d) That things sexual thrill me. That I am now returned to the same
feelings I had at 16 about sex where excitement is concerned. That
naked women and pornography excite me greatly. That Sara excites me
greatly and gives me much pleasure.

(e) That I bear no physical aftermath of disease.

(f) That I do not need to have ulcers any more.

(g) That my eyes (which I used as an excuse to get out of school) are
perfect and do not pain me ever.

(h) That I love in Sara everything I loved in Polly or Helen and that
such love is now transferred to Sara.

(i) That I am fortunate in losing Polly and my parents, for they never
meant well by me.

(j) That I never need be jealous of Sara's past. That she loves me and
is utterly faithful. That she thrills me more than Helen ever did.

(k) That life is beautiful to me. That I want to live. That things
taste and smell and look and feel wonderful to me.

(l) That I wrote a great book in The One Command and that it removed
all my fears even until now, except that my chapters on the mind do not
affect my own mind. That I have will power and great mental control.
That I need not associate anything unless I wish.

(m) That I have only friendship for Jack Parsons.

(n) That I feel no wish for vengeance toward anyone. That I love people
and believe in honor and glory.

(o) That I believe in my gods and spiritual things.

(p) That nothing can halt my ambitions.

(q) That I need not believe the criticism of anyone. That vicious
criticism can be forgotten by me at will.

(r) That I tell the truth and must tell the truth. That all past errors
and lies are forgotten.

(s) That I have started a new, free life. That the arts and beauties
run strong in me and cannot be denied by anyone.

(t) That I am well and that there is no advantage in appearing ill.

(u) That my code is to be all things a "magus" must be, that I am those
things. That I burn high and bright and will last as a potent and
brilliant force until well after this century has run.

(v) That I am not credulous or absorbent of other people's opinions.

(w) That this hypnosis will not fade, but will increase in power as
time advances.

(x) That my magical work is powerful and effective.

(y) That nothing can tarnish my love of life, my hours, my love of
Sara. And I have the power of banishing anything which would seek to do
so and that all things will seem wonderful and exciting to me all the
rest of my days.

(y1) That the numbers 7, 25 and 16 are not unlucky or evil for me. That
no number is any different in its influence upon me than any other
number. That the 7th, 16th and 25th are not unlucky or unfortunate days
of the month for me. I have no bad connotations with these numbers.

(z) That I need not subscribe to any moral code of sex anywhere. That I
am constant to Sara. I have no terrors of sex or sexual conduct. Only
pleasure and beauty are contained in it. That I may please myself with
the act or be pleased with sexual things. That the sexual matters
taught me by Flavia do not apply. My chastity lies in loving Sara.

(a1) That I will not forget these things but will enjoin them with all
related ideas as more powerful than any other ideas in my head.

(b1) That all ideas to destroy myself are false, for I love life and I
am a free and exuberant spirit in it.

(c1) That I cannot associate any of my lacking libido with Sara. The
blame lies elsewhere. Sara has enormous powers to thrill me. Hormones
and fears, now gone, were at fault.

(d1) Sexually I am as I was at 16, without any of the fears, with all
of the powers, with all the knowledge I now possess turned to wonderful
things.

(d1) That I see and hear Raon clearly.

(e1) That anything which impedes my zest for living is small and puny
and will dwindle before the power of these statements. That nothing in
me which is evil can have heard these statements and commands without
disappearing.

(f1) That I am not bad to look upon. That my posture is straight and
excellent. That Sara likes my looks.

(g1) That my endurance in any climate is wonderful and any "fact"
otherwise is completely false.

(h1) That I am not susceptible to colds.

(i1) That I believe in myself and am poised and dignified whenever I
wish to be.

(j1) That I am not worn out in any way and never will be. That life is
ever new, that I am strong.

(k1) That Sara is always beautiful to me.

(l1) That these words and commands are like fire and will sear
themselves into every corner of my being, making me happy and well and
confident forever!

Note Much of the above may seem cryptic but if paraphrased as rendered
will be enormously effective.

- - - - - - oooOOOooo - - - - -

UB: List below is the suggestions he used.

Course II.

LRH:

You are asleep. You are not accountable for anything you say now. No
one will think any less of you. People want to help you.

In this one lesson you are going to learn several things. The first is
the use of your beautiful new Soundscriber.

The instrument is your aide and companion. It makes it possible for you
to write ten times the stories you did before.

You have no urge to talk about your navy life. You do not like to talk
of it. You never illustrate your point with bogus stories. It is not
necessary for you to lie to be amusing and witty.

UB: He obviously does not want to spill the beans about his navy
history. Also he has to give himself suggestions not to tell lies.

LRH:

You like to have your intimate friends approve of and love you for what
you are. This desire to be loved does not amount to a psychosis, it is
simply there and you enjoy their love.
UB: He is aware of his psychotic symtoms but do not like to be.

LRH: You can sing beautifully. Your voice can imitate any singer. Your
tones are round and true. You have no superstitions about singing at
any time. Your oratory is magnificent. Your voice tones perfect, your
choice of words marvelous, your logic unassailable.

UB: This is just funny and pathetic.

LRH:Your psychology is good. You worked to darken your own children.
This failure, with them, was only apparent. The evident lack of
effectiveness was "ordered." The same psychology works perfectly on
everyone else. You use it with great confidence.

Nothing can intervene between you and your Guardian. She cannot be
displaced because she is too powerful. She does not control you. She
advises you. You may or may not take the advice. You are an adept and
have a wonderful and brilliant mind of your own.

UB: Psychotic magical thinking. Brilliant is not what first comes to my
mind.

LRH:Everything great and beautiful that ever happened to you or that
you know is available to your conscious will to remember. You can only
forget by conscious will or at command of your own voice.

You recognize the evil or bad import of things that are evil and bad
for you but their evilness cannot affect you or penetrate through your
glowing and strong aura. You are light and you are good. You have the
Wisdom of all and never doubt your wisdom.

UB: Touching hybris.

LRH: You have magnificent power but you are humble and calm and patient
in that power. For you control all forces under you as you wish. The
strength of your Guardian aids you always and can never depart or be
repelled. Your faith in her and in God is unswerveable, blind, powerful
and you never, never doubt their good intent toward you. They work with
you. You help them exert their plans. They have faith unbounded in you.

UB: Trying to not be afraid of his psychotic symtoms.

LRH: You will never forget these incantations. They are holy and are
now become an integral part of your nature. You enter the greatest
phase yet of work and devotion and power and have perfect control
without further fear.

UB: Accepting the psychosis and trying to live with it. Involution of
auditive hallucinations to be an integrated part of his personality and
perception of self.

LRH: Men's chains fall from you. Your head is high. Your back is
straight. You can experience no evil or illness. You are wholly
protected. You cannot guide yourself wrong for you are guided as a
crown prince.

UB: More of the fear battling.

LRH: Material things are yours for the asking. Men are your slaves.
Elemental spirits are your slaves. You are power among powers, light in
the darkness, beauty in all.

UB: Rising to a Godlike state.

LRH: You are not sleepy or tired ever. You do not sleep unless you will
it consciously. Sleep to you is a deep trance. Nothing can touch you in
that trance because it would not dare. Your Guardian alone can talk to
you as you sleep but she may not hypnotize you. Only you can hypnotize
yourself.

UB: More evident indications of being subjected to external powers and
forces. Psychotic in nature.

LRH: You never wonder about how you write, you never distrust your
ideas or ability. You merely write and write wonderfully well. You like
to copy your own material and work with it until it is perfect. But it
is usually perfect the first time.

The desires of other people have no hypnotic effect upon you. You are
considerate of their desires because you are powerful. But you need
never be dissuaded by their wishes about anything.

Nothing, no one opposes your writing. Everyone is anxious that you
write. You do not need certain conditions to write. You are so strong
you can write anywhere on anything at any time. You can carry on a wild
social life and still write one hundred thousand words a month or more.
Your brain is so fixed that you can write at any time, anywhere. The
mere beginning of writing is sufficient to put you in a happy mood, any
high mood. Writing does not tire you. You said writing was hard work
but that you knew was a lie. You know now it is easy, very easy.
Writing puts you into an ecstatic state of mind almost as high as
intercourse. You love to write. The Navy had no influence upon your
writing. The Navy never stopped you writing. On the 422 what you wrote
were not stories. You love to write. Your writing has a deep hypnotic
effect on people and they are always pleased with what you write.
Having a market is immaterial.

UB: Navy memberings disturb him again, as does his indolence.

LRH: You will make fortunes in writing. Any book you care to write now
will sell high and well. You can dictate books. Words flow from you in
a beautiful steady stream. Anything which goes through your fingers can
come through your mouth. A dictaphone fills you with a desire to talk.
You talk easily to a dictaphone and the copy is excellent. The copyist
has no effect upon your work. You don't care what she reads.

Your psychology is advanced and true and wonderful. It hypnotizes
people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler.

You don't have to talk about all this. You know too well it is true.
You never have to argue, all you need to do is sit back with a calm,
kind smile and people will come to you with their opinions. You need
never talk to fill silences in a group. You are an arbiter, a kindly
one. You do not have to talk. But when you do talk you are amusing,
witty, so personable no one can resist your charm. If they do not
reply, it is because they are afraid of you.

Your health is wonderful. You need but 6 hours sleep. Your eyes are
fine.

People dislike cripples. You need never be a cripple. You have never
done anything for which you need feel guilty. You never need punish
yourself about anything. You are in wonderful glowing health. You never
have accidents because you are prudent and poised.

UB: Getting rid of the last pieces of humanity and crap like a normal
conscience.

LRH: You will live to be 200 years old, both because you are calm and
because of modern discoveries to be made in your lifetime.

You will always look young. Your weight is 180 lbs. And you will attain
and hold that weight.

Your hair will always be its present color. It will be thick and
beautiful all your life. Hair will grow out to replace what you have
lost.

UB: Vanity , pure and simple.

LRH: Your body organs are in perfect harmony. Your Guardian keeps you
in celestial time. Your organs work well, all of them. You grow
stronger each day. No drug or medicine affects your mind more than a
few hours. You can consciously stop pain.

UB: Struggling with hypochondric ideas.

LRH: You have no doubts about God. You never speculate about him. You
are assured that whatever you do is right in his eyes. Your faith is so
strong you could move mountains. You have deep trust and faith in God
and have no fear of what he may do to you and your friends. He will
never punish you. Some day you will merge with him and become part of
the All when his bidding you have finished in these lives.

You never speak ill of another because you are too powerful and may
curse them. You love everyone. Even when you use force on people, you
cannot hate them. You have no hate or jealousy in you. You are not in
contest with anyone. God and your Guardian and your own power bring
destruction on those who would injure you. But you never speak of this
for you are kind. A sphere of light, invisible to others, surrounds you
as a protecting globe. All forces bounce away from you off this.

UB: LRH the allmighty! It is difficult not to feel sorry for the man.

LRH: You are not a coward. Fist fighting had no bearing on your
courage. You were ill when you were fought before. You did not
understand the rules. You can whip anyone now and have no physical fear
of hand to hand fighting. They who fought you before were knaves and
fools. You would be merciless to them now. Nothing can stand up to your
fighting now. You are strong and wonderful in combat. You never know
fear or defeat. You refrain from fighting because you are too powerful.

UB: Fighting cowardness and fear of physical harm inflicted by others.
A very scared little man indeed.

LRH: You are rich in wisdom. You are therefore dangerous beyond the
claws of tigers. You never need speak of your dangerousness. Everyone
knows you are and it scares them when you mention it. You are kind and
soft-spoken always.

UB: Huffing and puffing...

LRH: Your eyes are getting progressively better. They became bad when
you used them as an excuse to escape the naval academy. You have no
reason to keep them bad and now they can get well and they will become
eventually starting now as keen as an eagle's with clear whites and
green pupils. Sunlight does not affect them. Lack of sleep does not
affect them.

UB: What is this about his eyes? Poor vision? Visual hallucinations?

LRH: Your stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from
punishing you. You are free of the Navy. You have no further reason to
have a weak stomach. Your ulcers are all well and never bother you. You
can eat anything.

UB: Earlier he blamed the Navy and Polly for stomach ulcers.

LRH: Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip. It never hurts. Your
shoulder never hurts.

Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed. It is well. You
have perfect and lovely feet.

Your sinus trouble is nothing. It is not dangerous. It will vanish. A
common cold amuses you. You are protected from further illness. Your
cat fever has vanished forever and will never return.

You do not have malaria. When you tell people you are ill it has no
effect upon your health. In the Veterans examination you will tell them
how sick you are. You will look sick when you take it. You will return
to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them.

UB: More hypochondric thoughts he wnats to get rid of.
The more often he mentions a specific symtom or problem the greater the
actual problem.

LRH: No matter what lies you may tell others they have no physical
effect on you of any kind. You never injure your health by saying it is
bad. You cannot lie to yourself. Disgust not sympathy is generated in
others by bad health. Injuries are not romantic. They are disgusting in
you. You are a child of God. You are perfect. Health is a passport to
friends. Women are not impressed by your injuries. Clear exuberant good
health is your passport to their hearts. Adventure heroes may sound
romantic when injured but it is really a bad comment on their
expertness. The truly great adventurer is so expert he is never injured
by anything. Dragging a wing is not romantic, it is silly. You will
always be in wonderful health and well-being.

UB: Vane and scared not to be accepted , especially by women. Trying to
fight back impulses of selfpity.

LRH: There is no veil between you and the world. You sense touch,
color, music, poetry much better than anyone else. You never mention
this superiority. But you show them the beauties of the world. You are
not old or worn. You are young and experience is fresh and exciting. It
will always be. Your brain is clear as a gong. No pressure sits on it
or blinds you. Sulfa never affected it. Your speech is perfect. You are
thrilled by music. You can engender any mood. You are an excellent
judge of painting and sculpture and are thrilled by it in any one of
its thousand moods.

UB: Here is the anhedonia again - emotionally incapacitated.

LRH: You can enter or leave any mood at will. You can engender any
mood. You can write in any mood at will and with great honesty.

You start your life anew. You need no excuses, no crutches. You need no
apologies about what you have done or been. Your approach to work is
wonderfully clear and fresh. No experience can daunt you. You can never
be disappointed or morose for you know life for what it is and
therefore are shielded against its suffering. You have suffered much
and you are deep in understanding. But now you enter upon a long, long
period of solemn joy.

What people think of you does not matter. You know when you are right.
Women especially love you and you fear no man.

UB: His vanity in conflict with his low selfesteem.

LRH: Testosterone blends easily with your own hormones. Your glands
already make plenty of needed testosterone and by adding to that store
you make yourself very thrilling and sexy. Testosterone increases your
sexual interest and activity. It makes erections easier and harder and
makes your own joy more intense. Stilbesterol in 5 mg doses makes you
thrill more to music and color and makes you kinder. You have no fear
of what any woman may think of your bed conduct. You know you are a
master. You know they will be thrilled. You can come many times without
weariness. The act does not reduce your vitality or brain power at all.
You can come several times and still write. Intercourse does not hurt
your chest or make you sore. Your arms are strong and do not ache in
the act. Your own pleasure is not dependent on the woman's. You are
interested only in your own sexual pleasure. If she gets any that is
all right but not vital. Many women are not capable of pleasure in sex
and anything adverse they say or do has no effect whatever upon your
pleasure. Their bodies thrill you. If they repel you, it merely means
they themselves are too frigid or prudish to be bothered with. They are
unimportant in bed except as they thrill you. Your sexual power is
magnificent and they know it. If they are afraid of it, that is their
loss. You are not affected by it.

UB: He must have been quite impotent , needing to reinforce suggestions
on this topic over and over and over again.

LRH: You have no fear if they conceive. What if they do? You do not
care. Pour it into them and let fate decide.

The slipperier they are the more you enjoy it because it means their
mucous is running madly with pleasure.

There is nothing wrong in the sex act. Nothing any woman may say can
change your opinion. You are a master. You are as sensitive and sexy as
Pan. Lord help women when you begin to fondle them. You are master of
their bodies, master of their souls as you may consciously wish. You
have no karma to pay for these acts. You cannot now accumulate karma
for you are a master adept. Your voice is low and compelling to them.
Singing to them, for you sing like a master, destroys their will to
resist. You obey the conventions, you commit no crimes because you need
not. You can be intelligently aware of their morals and the laws of the
land and fit your campaign expertly within them.

UB: Pulling further and furher away from fellow men and women and any
normal human interaction.

LRH: Jack is also an adept. You love and respect him as a friend. He
cannot take offense at what you do. You will not wrong him because you
love him.

The most thrilling thing in your life is your love and consciousness of
your Guardian. She materializes for you. You have no doubts of her. She
is real. She is always with you. You love her very much. You trust her.
You see and hear her. She is not your master. You have a mighty
spiritual will of your own. She is an advisor and as such is respected
by you. She is wise and worthy and never changes shape. Your faith in
her as in God is blind and unshaken ever.

UB: More evidence of visual and auditive hallucinations.

She is interested in you and amused by you. She does not criticize you.
She does not frown on your sexual acts but advises you on better game.

UB: The auditive hallucinations in schizophrenia are either commentary
or commanding in nature. Often negative and degrading in content and
commands of selfharm, suicide or hurting others. Hubbards "inner
voice" was obviously female.

LRH: That she is with you always does not mean that she sees you as
indecent ever. You cannot offend her. You cannot repel her. You are too
good. You respect her and you love her and appreciate her advice. You
are good always because you want her to feel good. This does not apply
to sex. She has never and will never forbid you pleasures. She will
never censure you. She is lovely and beautiful and radiant and part of
your life. You can see her consciously whenever you wish. You are never
startled by her because you are not afraid of her. You are partly in
her plane, she partly in yours as you wish to see her. She has copper
red hair, long braids, a lovely Venusian face, a white gown belted with
jade squares. She wears gold slippers. Thus you see her.

You can read with ease anything she cares to show you. You can talk
with her and audibly hear her voice above all others.

You and she are too powerful to permit any interference. You can work
alone whenever you wish because she protects you. You and she are
friends. You both have a higher master. She can teach you much. You
love her. But she does not own your will, cannot affect your will and
you are powerful enough to depend upon yourself. You do not consign
will to her, ever. She advises. You do not have to take the advice. She
cannot weaken your will. You have no fears of consequences if you fail
to heed her. You can also be right for you know more of time than she
does. She is wise and beautiful and powerful. Others may not see her,
and you need not look at her or talk to her when others are around for
they might not understand. You can talk to her "in your own mind" when
others are near.

UB: Trying to keep the distance and accepting his "inner" female
voice. (Auditive hallucination)

LRH: You need never be disappointed when material objects or people
fail to move at your unspoken order. You can often control them. Not
always. Leave this to your beloved Guardian.

Your vocabulary consists of all the words you ever heard or read. They
are at your conscious command always. Your authority over words is
absolute. You are a grand master of words and you can do with them as
you will. You know what they mean to others. You know how their
meanings and melodies affect others. Your vocabulary is under your
complete conscious dictatorship. You know what they mean. No other in
the world has a finer vocabulary. You can speak them just as easily as
you write them and in a beautiful style and formation.

UB: Failing motor control of vocabulary is a common finding in
schizophrenics . Speak becomes slurrish and unarticulated especially in
the end of sentences. This symtom is due to the disturbed cognition (
thoughts ) and to a phenomena called deshabituation. Deshabituation is
caused by an imbalance in dopamine neurons. ( What! There is a chemical
imbalance?)

LRH: You can speak to a dictaphone using punctuation symbols, spoken.
You see before you the brilliant colored scene of your story and with
any mood you consciously wish, describe that scene in magnificent
prose. You have no inhibitions against fine writing. You know that is a
meaningless phrase. Overwriting, underwriting these are not true. You
pay no heed to these terms. You have no fears.

You speak and understand all the French, Spanish and Japanese you ever
studied and they remain wholly apart from each other and your English.

You cannot forget words. It is impossible. You have them at your
conscious command.

You can do automatic writing whenever you wish. You do not care what
comes out on the paper when your Guardian dictates. You can hear her
easily and when you want her to write or talk dictation you have only
to consciously will it and the result is written or spoken by yourself
without any intrusions of your own thought. It is entirely automatic.
It does not in the least affect or reduce your spiritual will. You may
or may not believe what she dictates. That is part of your conscious
will and judgment.

UB: See comments above on hallucinations.

LRH: Anything you were told about religion as a child you can forget or
recall. It does not affect your present mighty faith.

You are a calm and rational being with very fine judgment. You may
collect facts, you need not believe them save as they appear true to
you. You can remember an erroneous fact as an erroneous fact.

You need not believe anything you read. Other writers are often in
error and you have no great respect for their printed words. You can
appreciate their quality without regard to your own. They cannot change
your true self and thoughts. Their jeers in print and their criticisms
have no weight on you. You know what is true. You don't even have to
defend your beliefs. They are too powerful.

Your memory is marvelous and reliable. You can remember perfectly in
one reading or one speaking. Your brain capacity is infinite. You
cannot hold too much consciously in your brain. You could cram ten
billion new facts or scenes or impressions into your brain and remember
them all with ease. You have no mental limit on memory or learning. You
can remember a thing without accepting it as truth. You accept as truth
only those things which you yourself believe after you consciously
examine them. You accept all I say here as absolute fact however. You
will reverance and believe everything here, consciously and forever.
These words sink into your whole being. They remake your entire life.
They are your code, belief, your guiding star.

UB: Again, everything he needs to convince himself of with hypnotic
suggestions , is him testifying of his incapabilities.

LRH: You will know everything you ever knew in any life. You will feel
no guilt or lack in yourself about any of your experiences. You can
recall them all without pain. Your past was what it was. You cannot
change it. But you had the whole right to use or help or hurt people
and you are too powerful now to be more than amused by your folly.

You can tell all the romantic tales you wish. You will remember them,
you do remember them. But you know which ones were lies. You are so
logical you will tell nothing which cannot be believed. But you are
gallant and dashing and need tell no lies at all. You have enough real
experience to make anecdotes forever. Stick to your true adventures.
Tell nothing discreditable but tell them well. Or if you wish, as you
will, tell adventures which happened to others. People accept them
better. You can recall in detail tales of adventure from all you ever
heard or read. You remember easily. You can quote for company or a book
all the adventure poetry you ever read or heard. You can sing all the
songs you ever heard, even once, and sing them well. You have no fear
of forgetting or stumbling. You cannot forget stories, songs, tunes,
skills and at will can call them consciously to mind.

You can consciously banish any train of thought from your mind, any
time, any song. You can recall words, speeches, whole books verbatim at
will. You are not a victim of chance thoughts. You are in powerful and
wise conscious control of all your thinking. You are a master without
limits. Your brain has no limits, consciously, unconsciously or
psychically. You can perform any mental trick or stunt consciously of
which you have ever heard. You are in perfect poise, balance and
control of your brain.

You are punctual but never worry if you keep people waiting. You are a
master adept and do not exist to serve people. You are kind. But you
are not affected by the desires of others save out of the deep and
graceful courtesy which you know so well and use.

You are honest and proud of your honesty. You are too powerful to
cheat.

You have no fears of not being first. Because another comes out with an
idea which you thought up is no cause for your sorrow. You are merely
proud to be able to serve without gain, for your gain is of the spirit.

Money will flood in upon you, for you are wise and able. You have no
phobias about the rich. The rich are only people. You need not be
offended or impressed by them. You can and will own large arms[?] of
your own. You are wiser than the rich. Your money will exist to serve
you. As you spend it, more will flood in for you will spend wisely if
well. You have no fears about money. You will always make it. You do
not care how much you have. Having money gives you a comfortable
feeling. You do not worry if you do not have it. You just make more.
You want to make and spent money. It is not a primary concern with you,
you do it with such ease and have such boundless energy.

You need never expose or betray any secret God or your Guardian wants
kept. You can be trusted with vast knowledge and never give it away or
use it with express authority. What you know is riches. When you give
away all you know, you are poor. You can give out exactly as much as
God desires people to know. You never try to make an impression with
what you know. You don't care what people think of your mind. So long
as you refrain from telling what you know, vast secrets can be
entrusted to you with safety. You will guard your secrets. You can be
trusted always by everyone.

Vida does not resemble your mother. She looks like a wood nymph. You
like her. You do not love her to desperation. You are not jealous of
her. She thrills you physically and you enjoy her.

Taking medicine to make you healthy sometimes makes you happier or
sadder but you need have no fears about being synthetic, or
experiencing synthetic reactions. Testosterone and stilbestrol makes
your reactions real enough.

Self pity and conceit are not wrong. Your mother was in error.

Masturbation does not injure or make insane. Your parents were in
error. Everyone masturbates.

You need never be clumsy in parting from people. You have poise and
part from them with ease and grace.

Colds are nothing. You are not afraid of them. You can defeat them with
ease. You can will yourself consciously to resist anything.

The Book

You are radiant like sunlight.

Your poetry memory is wonderful.

You can recall songs and poems which you have known before, line for
line, word for word, tune for tune. You can quote anything you have
read twice.

You can read music.

Criticism does not affect you emotionally.

You are a magnificent writer who has thrilled millions.

Nothing bars you from writing.

Fears do not restrain you in any way in writing.

You know you "convinced" yourself

That writing is hard work. You know now that this "hard work" is a lie.
Writing is easy to you and nothing interferes.

Ability to drop into a trace state at will.

Remember clearly what you read.

Eyes and ulcers improving.

Faith in power and its necessity.

Ability to please women and have women.

Faith in own judgment.

Ability to dictate.

Ability to write on mill.

Ability to plot cleanly.

Lack of necessity of following pulp pattern.

You have no inertia which keeps you home or inactive.

You did a fine job in the Navy. No one there is now "out to get you."
You are through with its Navy and will utterly forget any derogatory
instances.

You are psychic. You do not need to "press" to receive communication.
You can let "people" in any world talk to you while you are wide awake.
You can see them clearly. You have no doubts of any kind about them.
You are afraid of none of them but can cancel them out at will if they
are evil to you.

The voice of your holy Guardian is distinct from all the rest. It comes
to you loud and clear. You can see her with brilliant clarity when you
wish.

You can read futures for people with ease. You are not much interested
in your own. No enemy can stand against you.

You are always calm, always in perfect possession of your social
presence. Nothing discommodes you at all. Nothing embarrasses you.

Your speech is musical and lovely. Your words are well chosen and
beautifully rhythm'd. You never forget what you want to say. Nothing
can prevail against your logic and choice of words. You have no speech
or thought impediments.

You will forget all derogatory criticism you have ever received. You
cast it out. You know it is only a weapon used on you for others' gain.

Desires of others do not affect you except as an appeal to your
courtesy - and you are courteous and gentle.

Merely by concentrating upon them, a thing you do with ease, you can
change their minds and smooth whatever anger they may feel.

The lot of humanity does not outrage you. Its government is merely
amusing. You are a major adept and such considerations are far, far
beneath you. You are not cynical or bitter about people. You have no
jealousy in you of any kind for fellow craftsmen. You are not in
competition with them for your work is infinitely superior and will
sell quickly as you desire. Editorial desire does not affect you for
you can write whatever they publish with ease, and any length.

You understand all the workings of the minds of humans around you, for
you are a doctor of minds, bodies and influences.

You have no fears about working psychically for you are safe, always
safe, protected by your Guardian as in a mighty fortress.

You can recall at will all the plots and situations you ever thought
up. You can create new plots and characterize people clearly and
wonderfully. There is no rush about writing. It is immaterial to you if
people are or are not amused. You write cleverly and your writings
never fail to amuse.

The two women you knew - Helen the Comrade and Polly the Skipper were
not worth an instant of your time. You do not love them, they were not
worthy. You won over them.

The love of women is not necessary to your ego. You are above them. You
know well that many women are mad about you, that you satisfy them
perfectly. You will satisfy them easily. You do not care.

Testosterone makes you sexy. It makes things beautiful and arouses you.
But this is will. You can be aroused at will.

Naked bodies and sexy allusion stimulate you wonderfully.

You have forgotten the case histories of Havelock Ellis. They did not
surfeit you. You have forgotten them.

You do not masturbate. Masturbation cannot harm you in any way but you
would rather have women. Your penis and erotic centers are very
sensitive to women. You are not afraid that someone will catch you
masturbating. No one knows or ever will know. Such discovery would be
harmless. You do not masturbate. Only women thrill you and very deeply.

You do not have to be a clown or a wit to be thought grand. People
adore and respect you for your opinions and wisdom. You are always
kind, always graceful, always courteous.

You have no mental flaws which hinder you. You have nothing which
hinders you. Everything helps you. You are crown prince of your portion
of the universe. Everything does your bidding perfectly. All elementals
and other dimensional things obey you with eagerness. All things love
you and their love makes you strong. You are strong. You love with
great force all things and your will controls them. You may use force
and your will with utter impunity for all things obey.

You do not know anger. Your patience is infinite. You are calm. Your
patience never fails. Nothing can make you hate or be jealous or be
small. You have all the time in the Universe of which you are crown
prince. You waste none of it, but you do not fear for its passage. You
employ time well. You are not lazy for there is nothing, no single
thing in your universe to oppose you. You have no thoughts which oppose
you.

It is indifferent to you whether your work is accepted. You do not care
if it sells. You are confident for it always has sold.

The anger artist like people feel does not affect you in any way. You
are always calm and patient. You understand they are weak and cannot
batter through your calm. You are not influenced by them or their
anger.

To survive you need only do these things - be patient, calm, beautiful.
Write what you yourself think is good and worthy, govern yourself as a
powerful force. No human being has authority over you. No human being's
opinion has weight with you.

You are not possessive. You are not jealous because you are too strong.
People are much afraid of what you think of them, what you may do to
them, therefore you must be kind and courteous to them.

You owe no debt for the kind things people do for you. This is your due
as an adept. But you are always gallant, kind and considerate to
people. You do not vary your own thoughts to be kind. Kindness need not
impoverish or discriminate you.

You are able to trance. No other human being can hypnotize you in any
way. You can believe or disbelieve whatever you read at will. You
cannot be hypnotized by any but yourself.

Lies are not necessary. You have no need of lies for you are brave and
can take any consequences.

You are courageous. You fear nothing. Your prudence results from
judgment, not emotions. You have no emotional fears.

Snakes are not dangerous to you. There are no snakes in the bottom of
your bed. Snakes are wise beings. They are your friends.

You love the sounds of wind. The wind will not get you ever. It will
drive your ships. The air is your friend and the wind its voice.

Darkness is a cloak you may don. Your guardian and your own courage
protect you utterly in darkness. You control anything you meet in
darkness for that is part of your universe.

You do not care how much work there is to do for you have all the time
there is and can work forcefully and with patience. You can work
whenever you please. Nothing obstructs you.

There was no danger for you from government or navy. You are too big to
be touched by their petty opinions and force. Your force and destiny is
infinite power.

You believe implicitly in God. You have no doubts of the All Powerful.
You believe your Guardian perfectly. You hear her certainly and
clearly.

You are too strong, too big to be touched by mortal opinions.

You are tolerant towards your mother and Father. You loved them. You
have no respect for their opinions for you know much more. You are
always kind to them. Their good opinion of you is assured. Their good
opinion and praise mean nothing whatever to you. Only Flavia Julia and
then the All Powerful have opinions worth inclining toward. You have
always done right by your parents. You did your best. You have no
worries about it. Your mother's theories on psychology were wrong. They
do not now affect you.

The opinions of your aunts and uncles are worthless. You are kind to
them. They mean nothing to you.

Music and color are beautiful to you. You sense them delicately. They
affect you strongly.

You are expert at modeling, drawing, painting. Nothing hinders you from
painting magnificently. Mediums of art are your slaves. You have entire
confidence in them as servants. You are powerful in the arts. Nothing
opposes you. You create wonderful music. You do not care what people
think of your art.

Your penmanship is wonderful, beautiful. You control a pen like a great
artist.

You write wonderful poetry. Your guardian dictates it and she is all
wise. People gasp and thrill to your poetry. You handle all forms
superbly. You do not care what people think of your poetry. You have
always written the most magnificent verse known because of your
guardian.

Your guardian can dictate stories, poems to you at will. You do not
oppose them. You accept and write them easily. You are not eager. You
cannot doubt.

All objects are your friends. You can ask from and receive past history
of any object. No part of that history affects you emotionally or
psychically. The past of objects cannot harm you.

You are in perfect harmony with the All Knowing. Your future does not
alarm you. You understand and cheerfully accept your future. You are
not afraid. You cannot feel fear. You are safe in the control over you
of God. He is master of destiny and what he does must be.

You are in control under God of the material objects and beings around
you.

You cannot think a fact into actuality. You can will a fact into being
with ease. You are confident of your control over will. You have will
power. You can consciously use it. Accidental thoughts of incidents do
not create them.

Your book the One Commandment applied only to the material. It is true.
It freed you forever from the fears of the material world and gave you
material control over people. There is no material will.

The One Command applied but slightly to the spiritual world and other
planes. There is psychic will power, possessed by a very few. You
possess such will power and it is enormously strong and irresistible.
You work it consciously. Those things you consciously state that you
will come to be.

The criticism of the One Command which was given to material things was
not leveled at you. It was not worthy. It did not detract from the
value of the book. It was from small people. You gave it no heed. It
did not affect you.

There was one error in that book and you have psychically willed it
into nothing. It was the electronic theory of the workings of the human
mind. Human, material minds do work this way and you were right. Your
own mind does not work this way. You have great spiritual strength.
Your mind is not material. It does not react like any human mind.
Whatever is fed to your mind can be sorted out. You can forget at will.
Men's facts fed to you need not affect your thought if they are a part
of the lives and mores and morals of men. Your thought processes do not
warp on facts which are fed to you. You can receive sense messages and
remember them but you need not add them into your own thought
processes.

You use the minds of men. They do not use your mind or affect it in any
way. You have a sacred spiritual mind, too strong, too high to be
touched. Your league with Higher Beings, your mighty Guardian and the
All Powerful, renders you beyond all human criticism.

You can distinguish between your doubts and what is said to you. You
have no doubts because you have no fear. You are kind and considerate
to all because you are so powerful. You need never defend your motives
to anyone because your motives are right. You have never done wrong and
need never apologize to anyone. You never justify or explain your acts
because you are careful that these acts are good and kind.

You can be merciless when your will is crossed and you have the right
to be merciless.

You are eternal. You are satisfied to live within God. Human death is
not your death. You will never die. Your personal memory is not
important but you will retain it.

You recall all your past times on earth. You have and will live
forever. You are part of God. You are the crown prince of your small
section of the Universe.

You are just and kind. You are merciless to any who cross your rule but
they do not affect you emotionally. You have no fear of anyone for
everyone in your own Universe is under your dominion. You will never
tell them, never explain. They know.

You observe their rules of conduct outwardly. You do this because you
are kind. You never say why you do this, that you do this. You are kind
and love everything even when you force it to your will.

You have no inhibition about sexual intercourse. You respect how other
people feel about it but you are not bound by that respect. You conduct
yourself with great courtesy.

UB: SUMMARY

There is little question about LRH suffering from paranoic
schizophrenia at the time he wrote the above. Predominant symtoms are
auditive and likely visual hallucinations together with numbed emotions
, suicidal thoughts , extremely low selfworth, impotence , thought
disturbances and problems with articulation and memory. His fatigue and
indolence together with the anhedonia is the typical low energy , low
vigilance and numbed emotions found in the domaine of so called
negative symtoms in this disease . He is fighting a hard battle with
inner psychological conflicts, balancing between the depressed state
with suicidal thoughts and the Godlike, allmighty powerful
"chosen" one with special gifts and blessed with an inner
"Guardian". The Church of Scientology and its methods is merely the
reflection of this seriously sick mans inner world. Constantly on guard
against percieved critique and attacks from the hostile surrounding
environments. Obsessed with money , not only as a mean of survival but
as an instrument of power and evidence of success.

Ulf Brettstam
Senior psychiatrist

The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this
bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder [L. Ron
Hubbard]. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a
pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and
achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally
reflect his egoism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness
and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or
hostile."

-- Judge Paul G. Breckenridge, Jr., 6/20/84 (Scientology v. Armstrong,
affirmed on appeal 232 Cal.App.3rd 1060, 283 Cal.Rptr. 917.)

[roger gonnet]

"Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam" <orkel...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message
de news: 1123956863....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Thanks to Roger Gonnet who pointed me to this and of course a Big
thanks to Gerry Armstrong who brought this confessional" writings to
the public. George , you really knew what you were talking about in
your foreword. I know understand why the "church" hates you and
persecutes you and ultimatly fears you so much.

http://www.holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm

Lets go through the text one step at the time and I will make comments
on the way from a psychiatrists perspective.

THE ADMISSIONS OF L. RON HUBBARD

Wow, Ulf, you did a good job there!! I loved it a lot and laughed to many
parts:-))

I'll translate it to add to that excellent demonstration of Hubbard psychiatric
state when he was hoping to become someone.

He wrote it later (I forgot the exact quote) like "I'll write my name in fire
letters."

==

Tahnks a lot!!

roger

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Any writings of mine posted here or on my homepages is free of use. All
copyright is donated to the public domaine.

Ulf

[Kim Palmer]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:
> Any writings of mine posted here or on my homepages is free of use. All
> copyright is donated to the public domaine.
>
> Ulf

Thank you for this thoughtful analysis of Hubbard's admissions. It makes
interesting reading.

Kim P

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Thanks Kim, appreciated.

Ulf

[lamoo...@sbcglobal.net]

Dear Ulf,

I'm just curious.....

Do you suppose if Hubbard had received psychiatric counseling around
the time of the writing of his "admissions", his impending church of
scientology (if it came into being at all) would be significantly
different (in form) than it ultimately appeared?

And while that may appear to be a rhetorical question, I believe it is
not. For it addresses (from my point of view) the concept of destiny
vs. determinism, at the very core.

In other words, perhaps some amongst us are wholly immune to
psychological, or psychiatric (or scientological, lol) intervention?,
from birth.

Which concept undermines, or precedes the "workability" of any and all
such, well, theories and practices of mental/emotional/psychological
assistance, across the board.

I assume you are not a scientologist. Given access to computers would
not seem to be a perk permitted those in Hubbard's RPF. Thus I
consequently assume you are permitted a wide latitude and range of free
thought regarding such questions, as mine.

What occurs to me is we are dealing with the psychological counterpart
to the old adage, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em
drink".

Which would seem to explain why certain individuals are wholly
incapable of swallowing Hubbard's unparalleled nonsense, prior to
even the earliest of initiations into "transformative conditioning",
called basic (or book one) auditing, whilst others have not been
seemingly born, with such mental fortune (getting caught in the trap,
as they do).

What's your take on it? Are some born pre-disposed to suffering the
likes of Hubbard's cosmology, just as Hubbard was born pre-disposed
to suffering the likes of his own demons? or is their hope for the most
feeble minded (and mentally tortured) amongst us?

Nature vs. Nurture, all over again, in terms of mental well being.

I have my own theories Ulf, but mine are of an unlearned man (which
unlearned man would be me). Whilst your analysis of Hubbard's state
of mind during the penning of his admissions was impressive (and
accurate) from my point of view (which analysis is the result of one
whom has learned). So to speak. I trust you understand what I mean.

Lastly, I do not perceive such questions (and answers) to be
"speculation without value".

To the contrary, if our collective understanding of matters of physics
(for example) can assist us in designing and implementing pre-emptive
actions which both lessen risk and improve reward, in practical
affairs, it seems to me such an understanding in regard to
psychological matters may very well provide the same type luxury. So to
speak.

Which concept, I assume, is fundamental to the entire field of mental
health. Though stated differently, in textbooks. Lol.

In hopes of your reply,
Jonathan Livingston Doe

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

lamoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Dear Ulf,
>
> I'm just curious.....
>
> Do you suppose if Hubbard had received psychiatric counseling around
> the time of the writing of his "admissions", his impending church of
> scientology (if it came into being at all) would be significantly
> different (in form) than it ultimately appeared?

Not counseling but medication. Thorazine or Haloperidol or in
combination.
No I do not think there would be any "church" just a "normal"
schizophrenic life.

>
> And while that may appear to be a rhetorical question, I believe it is
> not. For it addresses (from my point of view) the concept of destiny
> vs. determinism, at the very core.

This is a philosophical question with no definite , absolute answer. A
very intriguing question none the less. What is the greatest: To think
free or to think right? Can we think free? If not , determinism is the
true answer.
Personally I would like to think that we could, think free that is, but
I am not sure if we can. If you can help me and the rest of humanity to
answer this question, I, and propably the Nobel commity, would be ever
greatful.

> In other words, perhaps some amongst us are wholly immune to
> psychological, or psychiatric (or scientological, lol) intervention?,
> from birth.

Nope that is not the case. On the other hand autistics has a
disturbance in interpersonal communication , but hey are not immune to
psychological interventions.

> Which concept undermines, or precedes the "workability" of any and all
> such, well, theories and practices of mental/emotional/psychological
> assistance, across the board.
>
> I assume you are not a scientologist. Given access to computers would
> not seem to be a perk permitted those in Hubbard's RPF. Thus I
> consequently assume you are permitted a wide latitude and range of free
> thought regarding such questions, as mine.

My CV:
http://ulf.ing-steen.se/~ulf/curriculum_vitae.htm

My site:
http://ulf.ing-steen.se/~ulf/index.html

>
> What occurs to me is we are dealing with the psychological counterpart
> to the old adage, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em
> drink".
>
> Which would seem to explain why certain individuals are wholly
> incapable of swallowing Hubbard's unparalleled nonsense, prior to
> even the earliest of initiations into "transformative conditioning",
> called basic (or book one) auditing, whilst others have not been
> seemingly born, with such mental fortune (getting caught in the trap,
> as they do).
>
> What's your take on it? Are some born pre-disposed to suffering the
> likes of Hubbard's cosmology, just as Hubbard was born pre-disposed
> to suffering the likes of his own demons? or is their hope for the most
> feeble minded (and mentally tortured) amongst us?
>
> Nature vs. Nurture, all over again, in terms of mental well being.

That´s it! It is always a matter of the interaction between genetics
and environment. Some of us has a double impact if you get my drift.

>
> I have my own theories Ulf, but mine are of an unlearned man (which
> unlearned man would be me). Whilst your analysis of Hubbard's state
> of mind during the penning of his admissions was impressive (and
> accurate) from my point of view (which analysis is the result of one
> whom has learned). So to speak. I trust you understand what I mean.

Indulge us!

>
> Lastly, I do not perceive such questions (and answers) to be
> "speculation without value".
>
> To the contrary, if our collective understanding of matters of physics
> (for example) can assist us in designing and implementing pre-emptive
> actions which both lessen risk and improve reward, in practical
> affairs, it seems to me such an understanding in regard to
> psychological matters may very well provide the same type luxury. So to
> speak.

Can you please develope your argument on "pre-emptive actions",
preferably with concrete examples of your reasoning?

> Which concept, I assume, is fundamental to the entire field of mental
> health. Though stated differently, in textbooks. Lol.
>
> In hopes of your reply,
> Jonathan Livingston Doe

Ulf Brettstam

[lamoo...@sbcglobal.net]

"Lastly, I do not perceive such questions (and answers) to be
"speculation without value". To the contrary, if our collective
understanding of matters of physics (for example) can assist us in
designing and implementing pre-emptive actions which both lessen risk
and improve reward, in practical affairs, it seems to me such an
understanding in regard to psychological matters may very well provide

the same type luxury. So to speak". JLD
............

Can you please develop your argument on "pre-emptive actions",
preferably with concrete examples of your reasoning? Ulf
............

Dear Ulf,

Well, yes and no (respectively). I can develop my thought with you, but
I cannot provide any concrete examples of the reasoning of it (save for
the skull in which it seemingly appears to, well, take place). Which
skull is not (technically) concrete, though it is nonetheless, quite
hard. Both metaphorically and otherwise. You understand.

For me then, the question of any pre-emptive action in regard to the
mental well being of another has to do with the reality (or
non-reality) of our ability to pre-emptively influence ourselves.

Which question in itself is not without dispute. Amongst extremely
intelligent individuals, no less. And I don't have references Ulf,
because, as I confessed to you earlier, I am an unlearned man, speaking
straight from the gut, or the heart (same general area, give or take a
few centimeters).

Nonetheless, the fundamental reality remains (even in the absence of
education). To wit: we know: If I can't help me, I can't help you. In
other words, you're screwed until I'm not. So to speak. In terms of
professional (or personal) assistance. Which is why Hubbard's most
devout followers tend to end up in a state of untreatable psychosis.
Like attract like.

Ok, so I'm laying the groundwork here Ulf. Bear with me. It gets better
(or worse, depending upon one's philosophical pre-conditioned
persuasions, and training).

We are addressing the concept of pre-emptive actions that can preclude
the mental suffering of another. Ok, so I wrote that for my sake, lest
I forget what the subject was.

Lol. (my mental dexterity isn't what it used to be Ulf, wait until
you're my age, you'll know).

Nevertheless, to the point then:

The separation of psychology (or psychiatry) from philosophy is
non-sensical.

Jung's work (understood) revealing the truth of such a matter. From
my point of view.

That is to say, a man can only see what a man can see. Thus the
distinction between a university professor with 30 years (on the books)
and a new student in the classroom, is not subject to their respective
roles, for legitimacy, but is subject to their respective being.

Notwithstanding the power of tradition (and tenure).

And, if that were not so, progress would be a meaningless concept.

But progress is not a meaningless concept. Notwithstanding all
Hubbardarian prose.

Thus I argue the well being of another is wholly contingent upon the
well being of oneself. And furthermore, the concept of a pre-emptive
(mental) action is demonstratable.

Look, if there are 5 billion people on the planet, any one of us will
only get a chance to meet any other of us, on a very miniscule basis.
So to speak. Do the math.

The chances of you and I interacting on the internet right now, are 1
in 5 billion. In the purist sense of the words.

I do not argue that insanity does not exist. But I do argue that the
principle of attraction is undermined by a greater principle. And that
greater principle is the principle of creation.(psychologically
speaking).

The problem with psychiatrists (and scientology) is that it attracts
nuts without bolts.

And, given the age old concept, it takes one to know one, the problem
is obvious.

But in truth, the problem is not obvious.

Because when one nut is looking at another nut, whilst both are
convinced neither are nuts, well, the whole damn scenario is nuts.
Witness the world for empirical evidence.

And lastly, I can prove to your satisfaction, that what I say, is sound
(and true).

An experiment of sorts. Details to follow (upon request).

Although, I must confess, I am pre-conditioned to have a certain
distrust of learned men.

It's nothing personal mind you Ulf. It's just a consequence of having
dealt with such men over the course of an entire lifetime. Aka
knowledge vs. wisdom.

So pre-emptive actions that afford mental serenity (to others) where
such serenity would otherwise not appear, I suggest, is a very real
possibility.

And though, of course, I could be wrong.

Thank you though, sir, for your responding to me.

Sincerely,
Johnathan

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

lamoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> "Lastly, I do not perceive such questions (and answers) to be
> "speculation without value". To the contrary, if our collective
> understanding of matters of physics (for example) can assist us in
> designing and implementing pre-emptive actions which both lessen risk
> and improve reward, in practical affairs, it seems to me such an
> understanding in regard to psychological matters may very well provide
> the same type luxury. So to speak". JLD
> ............
>
> Can you please develop your argument on "pre-emptive actions",
> preferably with concrete examples of your reasoning? Ulf
> ............
>
> Dear Ulf,

Are you just being polite whith "Dear" or do I know you?

>
> Well, yes and no (respectively). I can develop my thought with you, but
> I cannot provide any concrete examples of the reasoning of it (save for
> the skull in which it seemingly appears to, well, take place). Which
> skull is not (technically) concrete, though it is nonetheless, quite
> hard. Both metaphorically and otherwise. You understand.
>
> For me then, the question of any pre-emptive action in regard to the
> mental well being of another has to do with the reality (or
> non-reality) of our ability to pre-emptively influence ourselves.

You must excuse my poor knowledge in the english language, but you need
to explain to me what pre-empty means and how I am to understand the
term.

> Which question in itself is not without dispute. Amongst extremely
> intelligent individuals, no less. And I don't have references Ulf,
> because, as I confessed to you earlier, I am an unlearned man, speaking
> straight from the gut, or the heart (same general area, give or take a
> few centimeters).
>
> Nonetheless, the fundamental reality remains (even in the absence of
> education). To wit: we know: If I can't help me, I can't help you. In
> other words, you're screwed until I'm not. So to speak. In terms of
> professional (or personal) assistance. Which is why Hubbard's most
> devout followers tend to end up in a state of untreatable psychosis.
> Like attract like.
>
> Ok, so I'm laying the groundwork here Ulf. Bear with me. It gets better
> (or worse, depending upon one's philosophical pre-conditioned
> persuasions, and training).
>
> We are addressing the concept of pre-emptive actions that can preclude
> the mental suffering of another. Ok, so I wrote that for my sake, lest
> I forget what the subject was.
>
> Lol. (my mental dexterity isn't what it used to be Ulf, wait until
> you're my age, you'll know).
>
> Nevertheless, to the point then:
>
> The separation of psychology (or psychiatry) from philosophy is
> non-sensical.
>
> Jung's work (understood) revealing the truth of such a matter. From
> my point of view.

I was thinking in the direction of Jung when you wrote about collective
understanding.

>
> That is to say, a man can only see what a man can see. Thus the
> distinction between a university professor with 30 years (on the books)
> and a new student in the classroom, is not subject to their respective
> roles, for legitimacy, but is subject to their respective being.

A man or women "sees" a lot more with eyes "armed" with factual
knowledge and personal training compared to the uneducated
untrained.Agreed?

>
> Notwithstanding the power of tradition (and tenure).
>
> And, if that were not so, progress would be a meaningless concept.
>
> But progress is not a meaningless concept. Notwithstanding all
> Hubbardarian prose.
>
> Thus I argue the well being of another is wholly contingent upon the
> well being of oneself. And furthermore, the concept of a pre-emptive
> (mental) action is demonstratable.
>
> Look, if there are 5 billion people on the planet, any one of us will
> only get a chance to meet any other of us, on a very miniscule basis.
> So to speak. Do the math.
>
> The chances of you and I interacting on the internet right now, are 1
> in 5 billion. In the purist sense of the words.
>
> I do not argue that insanity does not exist. But I do argue that the
> principle of attraction is undermined by a greater principle. And that
> greater principle is the principle of creation.(psychologically
> speaking).
>
> The problem with psychiatrists (and scientology) is that it attracts
> nuts without bolts.

I do not consider myself to be "nuts" but perhaps I am lacking insight
to my own psychopathology - as is often also the case with
schizophrenics.

>
> And, given the age old concept, it takes one to know one, the problem
> is obvious.
>
> But in truth, the problem is not obvious.
>
> Because when one nut is looking at another nut, whilst both are
> convinced neither are nuts, well, the whole damn scenario is nuts.
> Witness the world for empirical evidence.
>
> And lastly, I can prove to your satisfaction, that what I say, is sound
> (and true).
>
> An experiment of sorts. Details to follow (upon request).
>
> Although, I must confess, I am pre-conditioned to have a certain
> distrust of learned men.

Good for you, critical thinking is a necessety in science.And in
science there are no authority.

>
> It's nothing personal mind you Ulf. It's just a consequence of having
> dealt with such men over the course of an entire lifetime. Aka
> knowledge vs. wisdom.
>
> So pre-emptive actions that afford mental serenity (to others) where
> such serenity would otherwise not appear, I suggest, is a very real
> possibility.
>
> And though, of course, I could be wrong.
>
> Thank you though, sir, for your responding to me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Johnathan

I read a book many years ago - Jonathan Livingston Seagull - that gave
me much pleasure as it stressed the "thinking outside the box" concept.

I may be wrong on this or perhaps my poor understanding of the english
language is the cause, but somehow I get the feeling you are trying to
lessen my analyses of Hubbards Admissions. If not feel free to correct
me.

Ulf Brettstam

You are not a genius just because you are crazy
Johan Henrik Kellgren 1751-1795
Poet and personal secretary to the Swedish King

[Eldonbraun]

Ulf, thanks for making these evaluations. I was struck by these
statements toward the end of Hubbard's rants. I have a few comments on
them.

LRH: "The criticism of the One Command which was given to material

things was
not leveled at you. It was not worthy. It did not detract from the
value of the book. It was from small people. You gave it no heed. It

did not affect you...

EB: "The One Commandment/Command)" was apparently an alternate title
for "Excalibur," the unpublished book by LRH than was rumored to drive
people crazy if they read it. (Sounds more like he got a rejection slip
from a publisher that really devastated him.) There is a document about
this at http://www.lermanet.com/excalibur/.

The one, or primary, command referred to would obviously have been
"Survive!" as he later so pompously revealed in "Dianetics." That gem
of wisdom was described as his great discovery of the key to life and
his one-word explanation of evolution, both in "Dianetics" and "Science
of Survival."

LRH: "There was one error in that book and you have psychically willed

it
into nothing. It was the electronic theory of the workings of the human

mind. Human, material minds do work this way and you were right. Your
own mind does not work this way. You have great spiritual strength.

Your mind is not material. It does not react like any human mind...

EB: Here he is not only saying that "Excalibur" was criticized, but
insisting that his theory (or cybernetic computer analogy) applied to
everyone but him. He is superhuman, so he is exempt from his own
explanation of the reactiive mind.

LRH: "Whatever is fed to your mind can be sorted out. You can forget at

will.
Men's facts fed to you need not affect your thought if they are a part
of the lives and mores and morals of men. Your thought processes do not

warp on facts which are fed to you. You can receive sense messages and
remember them but you need not add them into your own thought
processes."

EB: And yes, he is now saying he alone, of all human beings, has no
reactive mind. There are no subliminal tricks going on in his mind, as
happens to everyone else. So it seems he was worried that his own
reactive mind had been messing him up, and trying to will it out of
existence entirely.

That was his state in 1947. What strikes me as interesting about this
is how much he accomplished when he did publish "Dianetics" in 1950.
I'm not professionally educated in your field, but doesn't it sound
like he went from a deep clinical depression to a high state of
hypomania at about the time book was published? In other words, he had
extreme bipolar swings. I don't doubt that he was a paranoid
schizophrenic, but he did manage to turn his delusions into reality by
whatever means when he was "up."

You speculate that medications like thorazine would have stabilized
him. Instead, there is evidence that he self-medicated himself with
speed (amphetamines)-- in fact he recommends using speed as a booster
for Dianetic therapy. He also used other drugs and drank like a fish,
of course.

I have done some reading about the work of Heinz Kohut on borderline
personality disorder (BPD) and narcissism (NPD). He related these two
conditions, and said he ran into a sort of Catch-22 during
psychoanalysis, because these people would tend to manipulate the
therapist into their delusions and so forth. In simple terms, they
could not afford to lose their invented grandiose sense of identity,
because there was no actual sense of "self" there to fall back on.

So overall, it appears to me that Hubbard might have been more than
just a paranoid schizophrenic. Speaking in raw numbers, he built what
was possibly the world's biggest pseudo-religious cult at one point
(around 1980). At least he was right up there with Reverend Moon and
Sai Baba in the numbers of adherents he attracted and controlled with
his madness.

People that charismatic, delusional and ruthless-- those who succeed,
at least-- tend to be few and far between. Even if we included
megalomaniac political despots and corporate pirates, how many of them
are in positions of power at any given point in time? Maybe a few
hundred?

What I'm getting at is that rare individuals like Hubbard may transcend
conventional clinical categories of mental illness. Certainly they
combine the symptoms of several categories. Or maybe they deserve a
special category of their own?

[Jommy Cross]

On 14 Aug 2005 12:42:40 -0700, lamoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote in msg
<1124048560.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
<snip>

>The separation of psychology (or psychiatry) from philosophy is
>non-sensical.
>
>Jung's work (understood) revealing the truth of such a matter. From
>my point of view.

You trust a Nazi who believed in flying saucers? This seems like a good
argument for keeping philosophers *out* of psychiatry to me..

>
>That is to say, a man can only see what a man can see.

<snip>

Well, it's impossible to disagree with *that* statement.

Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross

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[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Very interesting reading. I have read a little bit of the Excalibur and
LRH:s experiences and reactions from that episode. To my understanding
he had an acute psychotic breakthrough from wich he never fully
recovered. Instead he developed persistant and systematic delusions ,
about himself and how the real and spiritual world was to be
understood. Ever since that critical moment , any real doubt he could
have had before of him being an ordinary human with ordinary problems ,
was more or less gone. He had entered into a divine status.

Eldonbraun skrev:

> Ulf, thanks for making these evaluations. I was struck by these
> statements toward the end of Hubbard's rants. I have a few comments on
> them.
>
> LRH: "The criticism of the One Command which was given to material
> things was
> not leveled at you. It was not worthy. It did not detract from the
> value of the book. It was from small people. You gave it no heed. It
> did not affect you...
>
> EB: "The One Commandment/Command)" was apparently an alternate title
> for "Excalibur," the unpublished book by LRH than was rumored to drive
> people crazy if they read it. (Sounds more like he got a rejection slip
> from a publisher that really devastated him.) There is a document about
> this at http://www.lermanet.com/excalibur/.
>
> The one, or primary, command referred to would obviously have been
> "Survive!" as he later so pompously revealed in "Dianetics." That gem
> of wisdom was described as his great discovery of the key to life and
> his one-word explanation of evolution, both in "Dianetics" and "Science
> of Survival."
>

I had no idea what he was writing about , but your explanation makes
perfect sense to me , and further strenghtens my previous comments to
Admissions.

Mania and hypomanic states are basically anxietydriven in nature. When
anxiety rises to levels we can not endure or handle otherwise (
intellectually and psychologically) "we" act out in maniac behaviour.
Anyone of us can propably recognize this : Who hasn´t been in
emotional distress and spent more than usual time vacuumcleening or
washing dishes to better sort things out?

> I have done some reading about the work of Heinz Kohut on borderline
> personality disorder (BPD) and narcissism (NPD). He related these two
> conditions, and said he ran into a sort of Catch-22 during
> psychoanalysis, because these people would tend to manipulate the
> therapist into their delusions and so forth. In simple terms, they
> could not afford to lose their invented grandiose sense of identity,
> because there was no actual sense of "self" there to fall back on.
>

Psychoanalysis and or psychodynamic therapy are contraindicated in
these severe personality disorders. In the latter years some studies
shows evidence of signifiquant positive effects in personality
disorders of the acting out type , with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy
based treatment methods. (DBT , Dialectic Behavioural Therapy is one of
them ).Basicly insight orientated therapies requests a capacity of
critical selfreflection with the proband to have any chance of
workability or success.

> So overall, it appears to me that Hubbard might have been more than
> just a paranoid schizophrenic. Speaking in raw numbers, he built what
> was possibly the world's biggest pseudo-religious cult at one point
> (around 1980). At least he was right up there with Reverend Moon and
> Sai Baba in the numbers of adherents he attracted and controlled with
> his madness.

Not necessary. The actual outcome could just as well be the case with a
paranoic schizophrenic of average intelligence and self-medication with
centralstimulants (amphetamine9 and steroids.

> People that charismatic, delusional and ruthless-- those who succeed,
> at least-- tend to be few and far between. Even if we included
> megalomaniac political despots and corporate pirates, how many of them
> are in positions of power at any given point in time? Maybe a few
> hundred?
>
> What I'm getting at is that rare individuals like Hubbard may transcend
> conventional clinical categories of mental illness. Certainly they
> combine the symptoms of several categories. Or maybe they deserve a
> special category of their own?

I think LRH fits perfectly to "normal" standards of psychiatry and the
suggested diagnosis in combination with his "selfmedication"

A possible differential diagnosis could be Schizoaffective disorder -
eg a schizophrenic with clinically signifiquant affective symtoms
(manic - depressive episodes)

Ulf Brettstam

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Simkatu skrev:

> Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:
>

> > You must excuse my poor knowledge in the english language, but you need
> > to explain to me what pre-empty means and how I am to understand the
> > term.
>

> The word he is using is "preemptive" which is related to the word
> "preemption".
>
> In this case I believe it might be best defined as "Prior seizure of,
> appropriation of, or claim to something".
>
> One example that is often heard in the news, is "the United States made
> a preemptive strike on Iraq." What this means is that we attacked
> before we were actually threatened.
>
> So a preemptive action (in the sense that lamoore is using the term) is
> one that takes place before an event in order to prevent or obstruct the
> event.

Oh! I get it.
You mean like a cryztal ball or something to that nature. I take to a
counteraction to a , by me predicted action. Seems a bit risky to me -
predicting the future I mean.
Thanks Simkatu.
Ulf

[roger gonnet]

"Eldonbraun" <Eldo...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1124093681.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Good comments indeed, Eldon.

I have also another question for Ulf:

I think the "admissions" look like a sort of auto-programmation, and since he
succeeded to fabricate his illusion of mind-cure "dianetics" later, I would
think (and I've always said so) that Hubbard programmed himself his mind with
the "Admissions" *under drugs* into what he became later.

Did he do it using some of the bizarre OTO's founder techniques, or did he try
himself some of the chemicals that his friend Jack Parson was perhaps using as a
chemist? Or anything else?

Unless the mind of hubbard was already so much altered that the repetition of
these "admissions" stuck him into his serious delusions?

Or simpler, was he always dead drunk, blotto when reading them? Could that have
been useful to stuck him into his programmation-brainwashing?

r

[Eldonbraun]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

OK, that is an interesting insight. I wasn't thinking about the steroid
part, but in retrospect, I have personally seen some extreme reactions.
Someone I knew took prednisone several months for a rare artery
inflammation disease. He had some heavy manic episodes, and I do think
the prednisone caused a permanent personality change that persisted
after he stopped taking it.

So maybe LRH just "discovered" a combination of drugs that warped him
for good.

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

roger gonnet skrev:

It is an auto-programming list with the desired suggestions repeated
over and over again,slightly altered from one time to the other but in
essens identical.
As you might know, I have some basic teaching and training in hypnosis
and I imidiatly recognized his list as a preconstructed list of
suggestions to use in selfhypnosis.

> Did he do it using some of the bizarre OTO's founder techniques, or did he try
> himself some of the chemicals that his friend Jack Parson was perhaps using as a
> chemist? Or anything else?
>
> Unless the mind of hubbard was already so much altered that the repetition of
> these "admissions" stuck him into his serious delusions?

My suggestion is that the illness (schizophrenia) came first, the
selfmedication second (amphetamine and steroids + other drugs) and the
need of an auto-program last. No doubt the suggestions he lists will
"boost" and may well permanent his delusions and psychotic symtoms.

> Or simpler, was he always dead drunk, blotto when reading them? Could that have been useful to stuck him into his programmation-brainwashing?

I do not think he could have produced and carried out any serious
thinking if he was constantly drunk.
>
> r

Ulf

[roger gonnet]

"Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam" <orkel...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message
de news: 1124102827....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

roger gonnet skrev:

Thanks again, Ulf. Could we add this to the main body of your work on this?

Seems a good confirmation of what I thought first, indeed.
His document could be called "admissions [of guilt and weaknesses] +
auto-programmation [of criminal or crazy purposes] !

roger
>
> r

Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

roger gonnet skrev:

Yes.

> Seems a good confirmation of what I thought first, indeed.
> His document could be called "admissions [of guilt and weaknesses] +
> auto-programmation [of criminal or crazy purposes] !
>
> roger
> >
> > r

I always stand by my statements. I am also always prepared to
reevaluate conclusions made if new evidence or valid information makes
earlier conclusions questionable.

Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Some references to my comments on Admissions

References:

1) Eugene Bleuler: Bleuler E. La Schizophrenie. Rapport au Congres des
medecins alienistes et neurologistes de France et des pays de langue
francaise.[Schizophrenia. Report to the Congress of French and
French-speaking alienists and neurologists], 30th session. Geneva,
Lausanne, Paris, France: Masson; 1926.

Bleuler took exception to the Kraepelinian notion that schizophrenia
almost invariantly involved both a deteriorating course and early
onset. He viewed "the schizophrenias" as being composed of several
different entities rather than a single disease state as Kraepelin
conceptualized. He argued that the schizophrenias had varying
underlying causes as well as prognosis. Despite the clinical diversity
posited by Bleuler, he asserted that there were 4 cardinal features
almost invariably present in schizophrenic patients. These have been
termed the "four As":

* Blunted Affect
* Loosening of Associations
* Ambivalence
* Autism
"In all forms of schizophrenia, however mild, we find a specific
disorder of thought characterized by a loosening of the normal
associations....Many other problems, relating to logic and concepts,
can be deduced from this loosening, such as deficiency of judgment,
imprecision, the condensation of several concepts into 1, etc. In the
affective sphere, the emotional responses are uneven; normal in
relation to certain events, they may be entirely absent with
others...it is out of step with the changes occurring either in the
outside world or in the individual himself." With regards to
ambivalence, Bleuler suggested that "two opposing feelings may
simultaneously color the same mental representation." In autism "we
encounter inadequate contact with the world outside, an inner life
turned in on itself."

Other symptoms of schizophrenia include delusions, hallucinations,
catatonia, negativism, and stupor. These were thought to be "secondary"
symptoms and present in reaction to the individual's intentions,
drives, psychotic state, and environmental conditions. Bleuler noted
that these secondary symptoms were present in schizophrenia as well as
in other disorders. He also asserted that despite the secondary nature
of these symptoms, they formed the basis of the Kraepelinian
classificatory system.

2) Kurt Schneider: Schneider K. Clinical Psychopathology. Hamilton MW,
trans. London, England: Grune and Stratton; 1959.

Kurt Schneider termed the core features "first-rank" symptoms.[26]
These symptoms included:

* Hearing one's thoughts spoken aloud
* Auditory hallucinations commenting on one's own behavior
* Thought withdrawal, insertion and broadcasting
* Somatic hallucinations, or the experience of one's thoughts as
being controlled or influenced from the outside

Manifestation of 1 first-rank symptom in the absence of organic
disease, persistent affective disorder, or drug intoxication, was
sufficient for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Second-rank symptoms
included other forms of hallucinations, depressive or euphoric mood
changes, emotional blunting, perplexity, and sudden delusional ideas.
When first-rank symptoms were absent, schizophrenia might still be
diagnosed if a sufficient number of second-rank symptoms were present.
Although the schneiderian criteria have been criticized as being
nonspecific, they have been incorporated into clinical diagnostic tools
such as the Research Diagnostic Criteria (RDC) and Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) classificatory systems.

3) Sigmund Freud:

Freudian psychoanalytic formulations viewed psychotic symptoms as
manifestations of unresolved conflict resolution resulting in defective
object-relations. Freud's conceptualizations influenced Bleuler's
thinking and were incorporated into his fundamental clinical constructs
of autism, ambivalence, and disturbances of the sense of self

4) DSM 1-IV : American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition. Washington, DC:
American Psychiatric Association; 1994.

In 1949, the American Psychiatric Association in collaboration with the
New York Academy of Medicine began an initiative to standardize the
diagnostic system throughout the United States. The result was the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-I), which
was published in 1952. The classification was influenced by the
theories of Adolf Meyer, and psychiatric disorders were viewed as
reactions of the personality to psychological, social, and biological
factors. The manual has gone through several major revisions. The
DSM-II was published in 1968, but did not differ significantly from its
predecessor. The DSM-III was published in 1980, the DSM-IV in 1994.

5) Pierre Deniker, Henri Leborit, and Jean Delay.

The discovery of the antipsychotic chlorpromazine by the French team of
scientists Pierre Deniker, Henri Leborit, and Jean Delay in the early
1950s ushered in the psychopharmacologic era. Not only were these
medications efficacious in alleviating some of the most disturbing
positive symptoms of the psychotic patient, they helped to initiate the
understanding of the neurobiological processes underlying these
disorders. Other, so-called "typical" agents such as thioridazine,
trifuloperazine, and haloperidol had different side-effect profiles but
similar mechanisms of action. They also had problems with potentially
serious side effects of tardive dyskinesia.

Ulf Brettstam

roger gonnet skrev:

[roger gonnet]

"Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam" <orkel...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message

de news: 1124098805.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Uh, but preeemption has a strong nuance; that's rather a legal term; preemption
is the right to buy land, properties etc preferably to other buyers. By
instance, we have a specific state organization in France, which can buy
preemptively a property having been just signed of between a seller and a buyer.

r

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

lamoo...@sbcglobal.net skrev:

You doesn´t come through as an unlearned man to me, for sure.

> Nonetheless, the fundamental reality remains (even in the absence of
> education). To wit: we know: If I can't help me, I can't help you. In
> other words, you're screwed until I'm not. So to speak. In terms of
> professional (or personal) assistance. Which is why Hubbard's most
> devout followers tend to end up in a state of untreatable psychosis.
> Like attract like.

I disagree. Grouptherapy is very helpful also without a therapist
present.

> Ok, so I'm laying the groundwork here Ulf. Bear with me. It gets better
> (or worse, depending upon one's philosophical pre-conditioned
> persuasions, and training).
>
> We are addressing the concept of pre-emptive actions that can preclude
> the mental suffering of another. Ok, so I wrote that for my sake, lest
> I forget what the subject was.
>
> Lol. (my mental dexterity isn't what it used to be Ulf, wait until
> you're my age, you'll know).
>
> Nevertheless, to the point then:
>
> The separation of psychology (or psychiatry) from philosophy is
> non-sensical.

Of course but psychiatry is a branch of medicine and must have its toll
of science. Psychologists is perfectly content with speculations and
dreamanalysis, at least some of them.

> Jung's work (understood) revealing the truth of such a matter. From
> my point of view.

I have read some Jungian litterature in my younger (als junge) days and
found his ideas intriquing. Nowdays I know that Jungs ideas totally
lacks scientific grounds and value , and allthough he was a very
intelligent man with extraordinary sensory perceptions (psychotic
symptoms) during the days he dug into his dreams and dream world , he
is certainly not my cup of tea so to speak. If I remember correctly his
dissertation was on occultism. No I am not a Jungian disciple myself
and allthough he had some interesting thoughts on the topic of human
psychology his hypothesis has little ,if any, place in the modern field
of medicine. Some psychologists loves him though.

Thank you, for sharing your interesting thoughts
and please don´t name me "a learned man". To my knowledge ,my
knowledge gets lesser the more I learn, if yo get my drift?
>
> Sincerely,
> Johnathan

Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

That is what the dictionary says. I think lamoore.. or Herc, whatever,
is trying to speculate from a Jungian perspective on the mind of
Hubbard. From a collective subconscious hypothesis so to speak.

I have read some Jungian litterature in my younger (als junge) days and
found his ideas intriquing. Nowdays I know that Jungs ideas totally
lacks scientific grounds and value , and allthough he was a very
intelligent man with extraordinary sensory perceptions (psychotic
symptoms) during the days he dug into his dreams and dream world , he
is certainly not my cup of tea so to speak. If I remember correctly his
dissertation was on occultism. No I am not a Jungian disciple myself
and allthough he had some interesting thoughts on the topic of human
psychology his hypothesis has little ,if any, place in the modern field
of medicine. Some psychologists loves him though.

Roger did you read the references below?

Ulf

[Lermanet.com]

This is fantastic analysis,

Have you perused the rather lengthy OSI analysis of Hitler done in
1943? Hitler also, was a paranoid schizophrenic, suffering from
(and I just LOVE this line )

"Delusions of Omnipotence"

see this once classified, 1943 OSS evaluation of Hitler, go to page
26 HERE. http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/ This
is a once classified OSS psychological evaluation of Adolf hitler from
1943, on page 26 Hitler is characterized as a "Paranoid Schizophrenic"

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
Arnaldo Lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON

I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speake

If the Borg were to breed with the Ferengi you'd get Scientology!

The only real product of Scientology is More Scientologists
That is the etiology of cancer.

The only thing that works in scientology are its lawyers

The internet is the Liberty Tree
http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/altreligionscientology-killfile-settings.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/crowley-hubbard-666.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/flint-suicides-in-scientology-040383.htm
both with IMAGES!!

"Scientologists believe that most human problems
can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial
people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million
years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters"
to individuals in the contemporary world, causing
spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives
of their hosts"
[Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion]

What do we get from getting people out of scientology?
We create an individual who has become a Houdini of
all mind traps.. folks who won't be fooled again.
People who can DE-program, People who can spring mental
traps..

We create, by freeing someone of scientology, a being
who has the ability to break the strongest slave chains
of all.

Those forged of lies. (c) Arnaldo Lerma

[samvaknin]

Hi,

You may find these of interest:

Narcissism of authority figures

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal79.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq11.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/15.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal70.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal52.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal48.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/corporatenarcissism.html

http://www.nypress.com/16/7/news&columns/feature.cfm

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/npd.htm

http://www.freepint.com/issues/240703.htm

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal45.html

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s1158704.htm

http://www.freepint.com/issues/260505.htm

Take care.

Sam

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Thanks for your comment and thanks for the urls.

I read a biography on Adolf many years ago by an author named Bull I
think. Titel was something like "A study in Tyranni"

I do not believe Hitler was a schizophrenic but I have not reflected on
him with my diagnostic eyeglasses on. To my knowledge he was a
drugaddict the latter years of his life , given coctailshots with
morphine and centralstimulants and who know what more. He was a
sensitive and indolent boy from start with an abusive father and
overprotective mother. Allthough he academically performed excellent in
early school years , he couldnt take the insult of not being in top of
his class in secondary school and flunked school. This is clearly an
indication of what was to come and he most certainly had a serious
struck of narcissism. He thrived in the army during the first world war
but depsite the fact that he was decorated five times for his bravery(
Iron cross and other decorations) he never rose above the rank of
corpral. Probably due to his eccentricities. A correct judgement by his
superior officers , don´t you think?

Yes there are a lot of similarities between Hubbard and Hitler when it
comes to their personalities, not least their delusions of omnipotence
which is a characteristic trait in the narcissistically struck
individual.And finally they were both paranoic, but Hitler might have
had a well and in reality founded fear of "people out to get him" than
Hubbard. But as they say " The fact you are a paranoic doesn´t mean
someone isn´t out to get you"

I will read the OSS file and Murrays evaluation with great interest.
Thanks again Arnaldo and keep on with your important work.

Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Thanks, but I´ve read most of this before.

Ulf
samvaknin skrev:

[Eldonbraun]

Yes, and the comparison of the two is certainly valid.

"With the benefit of hindsight and more than 60 years of scientific
advances, one can appreciate the analysis of Hitler's personality and
also catch a glimpse into an early application of personality
psychology by one of the discipline's founders. Dr. Murray's
Explorations in Personality (NY: Oxford Press, 1938) established
personality psychology as a behavioral science. Murray explored a
theory of personality in which the interplay of 20 psychogenic needs of
varying strength produced distinct personality types. Murray pegged
Hitler's personality as "counteractive narcism," a type that is
stimulated by real or imagined insult or injury. According to Dr.
Murray, the characteristics of this personality type include: holding
grudges, low tolerance for criticism, excessive demands for attention,
inability to express gratitude, a tendency to belittle, bully, and
blame others, revenge, persistence in the face of defeat, self-will,
self-trust, inability to take a joke, and compulsive criminality. Dr.
Murray concluded that Hitler had these characteristics (and others) to
an extreme degree but lacked the offsetting qualities that round out a
balanced personality."

Both Hubbard and Hitler are prime examples of individuals whose extreme
levels of "persistence in the face of defeat, self-will and self-trust"
continue to mystify us as we wonder how they coerced so many people
into their respective spheres of madness.

For one thing, both relied heavily on the most covert and efficient
communication systems to be had in their times. Hitler was big on
scrambled short wave radio and so forth. Just watch him make a phone
call from his Berlin bunker in the movie "Is Paris Burning?". Hubbard
spent large sums of money on INCOMM, and lots of time typing away on
his encrypted telex. Today, we might consider Osama Bin Laden their
successor. He's pretty good at using the Internet, cell phones and so
forth; sort of a higher tech version of the same paradigm.

[Eldonbraun]

Thank you for the references, Sam. I think you have a lot of
interesting things to say on the phenomenon of megalomania /
narcissism... or however we categorize it as a condition.

[Barbara Schwarz]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

> Thanks to Roger Gonnet

Blatant forgery.

Ulf Brettstam, you are so unprofessional. How can you base your
information on what the anti-religious extremists spit out? I am sure
even some psychs are embarrassed of how you operate.

Barbara Schwarz
interesting websites
www.religiousfreedomwatch.org
www.cchr.org

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

I have read the condensed review of Murrays analysis.
Very impressive reading! Very sharp indeed. You have to filter some
outdated terms but in essence right on the dot.With our possibility of
a retrospective journey through history , the brightness and precision
of Murrays analysis is striking. Do not forget that Murray did this
without the possibility of a personal examination of the subject
(Hitler) and that his conclusions was made solely from intelligence
data and information.

I will dig in the rest stepwise.

Ulf

Lermanet.com skrev:

[Eldonbraun]

NOTE: this is just one exchange from a long thread of discussion
started by a Swedish psychiatrist. I recommend readng the whole thing.
I previously posted this URL under the subject "Hubbard's Admissions
and Affirmations."

http://tinyurl.com/c88ac

[Barbara Schwarz]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

> I have read the condensed review

http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatrists%2BHitler&sa=N&tab=gw

Dig in the truth for a change, Ulf.

Barbara Schwarz

Interesting websites:
www.religiousfreedomwatch.org
www.cchr.org

[Eldonbraun]

Also, here's something fascinating for those interested in cult
leaders: a report done for the US government in 1943. It's downloadable
as a series in pdf format. Recommended reading.
http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/

Dr. Henry A. Murray
Analysis of the Personality of Adolph Hitler
With Predictions of His Future Behavior and Suggestions
for Dealing with Him Now and After Germany's Surrender

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

C Robert Cloninger Prof of Psychiatry is imo number The top scholar and
scientist in the field of personality and psychology/psychiatry today.

After some 25 years of research he condensed the human temperament and
character factors to a total of seven , and construed a valid and
reliable instrument to measure our personality, The Temperament and
Character Inventory ( TCI) now in a revised version TCI-R, with even
more validity in test results.

He is also one of the top cited researchers in his field.

http://hcr3.isiknowledge.com/author.cgi?&link1=Browse&link2=Results&id=1698

To those of you who seriously wants to deepen and broaden your
knowledge in the psychopathology of personality, Cloninger is a "must"
read.

In the mean time

Why don´t you test your level spirituality:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101041025/quiz.html

Reference to TCI-R:

Abstract
Journal of Personality Assessment
2005, Vol. 85, No. 1, Pages 40-49
(doi:10.1207/s15327752jpa8501_04)

Psychometric Properties of the Temperament and Character
Inventory-Revised (TCI-R) in a Belgian Sample

Michel Hansenne​‌
Department of Cognitive Sciences, University of Liege
Marie Delhez​‌
Department of Cognitive Sciences, University of Liege
C. Robert Cloninger​‌
Department of Psychiatry, Washington University

The Temperament and Character Inventory (TCI; Cloninger, Przybeck,
Svrakic, & Wetzel, 1994) is a self-questionnaire developed to assess
the 7 dimensions of personality described by Cloninger et al. (1994)
with a total of 29 subscales. In 1999, a revised version was proposed
by Cloninger (TCI-R). In this study, we present psychometric properties
of the TCI-R from 958 French-speaking participants of Belgium. Women
exhibited higher scores for harm avoidance, reward dependence, and
cooperativeness dimensions. The proposed factorial structure of 4
temperament dimensions and 3 character dimensions was confirmed. The
TCI-R inventory had good test-retest reliabilities as well as good
alpha coefficients. The addition of 3 new subscales to the original
scale for Persistence has produced a very reliable dimension in the
TCI-R.
Printable PDF (119 KB) PDF with links

Have fun!

Ulf Brettstam

samvaknin skrev:

[Lermanet.com]

On 16 Aug 2005 09:59:43 -0700, "Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam"
<orkel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have read the condensed review of Murrays analysis.
>Very impressive reading! Very sharp indeed. You have to filter some
>outdated terms but in essence right on the dot.With our possibility of
>a retrospective journey through history , the brightness and precision
>of Murrays analysis is striking. Do not forget that Murray did this
>without the possibility of a personal examination of the subject
>(Hitler) and that his conclusions was made solely from intelligence
>data and information.
>
>I will dig in the rest stepwise.
>
>Ulf

The last section of the Hitler study, includes recammendations based
on the findings of how to deal with Hitler. Perhaps these could be
used as a template for dealing with Scientology, as it's members who
are 'successful" and "upstat" are considered those who are
"duplicating Ron"

Perhaps we can "duplicate" the OSI plan to deal with Hitler's
regime...

[Eldonbraun]

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:
> > Thanks to Roger Gonnet
>
>
> Blatant forgery.
>
> Ulf Brettstam, you are so unprofessional. How can you base your
> information on what the anti-religious extremists spit out? I am sure
> even some psychs are embarrassed of how you operate.

Barbara,

I just had a cognition: You need to start a professional schizophrenia
association. The first thing you and your associates need to do is
establish a code of ethics. Then you can start to publish a quarterly
journal that contains scholarly studies of your condition.

[Fear Not]

Look up Anosognosia.
http://www.psychlaws.org/GeneralResources/article55.htm

She does not know.

A very good lecture is hear.
http://209.209.70.18:8080/ramgen/rm/Amador/Amador.rm

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

" It can be predicted that we will find the German people profoundly
humiliated,resentful,disenchanted, dejected,morbse, despairing of the
future. Accustomed to obeying an arbitrary external authority, they
will have no dependable inner guide to control behaviour. There will be
a wave of crime and suicide. Apathy will be wide-spread"..."
Disorganisation and confusion will be general oreating a breeding
ground for cults of extreme individualism"

This is spooky , thinking of the disciples of LRH and his criminal
organisation.

Ulf Brettstam

[Eldonbraun]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

> " It can be predicted that we will find the German people profoundly
> humiliated,resentful,disenchanted, dejected,morbse, despairing of the
> future. Accustomed to obeying an arbitrary external authority, they
> will have no dependable inner guide to control behaviour. There will be
> a wave of crime and suicide. Apathy will be wide-spread"..."
> Disorganisation and confusion will be general oreating a breeding
> ground for cults of extreme individualism"
>
> This is spooky , thinking of the disciples of LRH and his criminal
> organisation.

Yes Ulf, it is spooky as hell. Just read various posts on this
newsgroup and see how various people buzz around the Hubbard meme.

Or consider Germany today. I was dumbstruck (amazed) by what a young
German guy told me a few years ago: "We young Germans have no history.
We're starting over again." Of course, he was telling me that he had
part of his attention on history. I don't need to be Carl Jung to see
that projection. It was right out there.

At about that time, I talked to a woman from Israel who had gone to a
"confidential" upper level course by a Scientology squirrel in
Germany-- Willingen, to be exact. She was freaked out by the cheering
and other manifestations of cult behavior exhibited by the Germans at
the end of the course in their anticipation of creating an "enlightened
planetary civilization." It reminded her of... you-know-what.

I am from a backward part of the United States-- Kansas. There were
still remnants of the Civil War where I grew up. In my childhood,
during the early 1950s, I believed black people were inferior. So did
everyone else-- including black people of course.

On the bright side, Germany has done a great job of dealing with the
aftermath and undoing the social mess Hitler caused. If we are decent
citizens of the world, I think we must try to undo the influences that
put people into these tragic states. We can't really change people's
biology (nature). Maybe we can do something about their environment
(nurture).

Here I'm going into the theory of child development. So how could we
have given L. Ron Hubbard a better chance to become a constructive
human? If you had been in control of his upbringing during those
crucial early years, could his madness have been prevented? Or would
you have waited and given him thorazine at the time his schizophrenia
developed (typically in the late teens or early twenties)?

Now I'll go a giant step further. I think Lloyd deMause is a major nut,
generally. But to me, he still makes an intellectual point somehow.
What do you think of his child abuse theories, as crackpot and
exaggerated though they may be?

Best, Eldon

[Lermanet.com]

On 16 Aug 2005 12:00:25 -0700, "Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam"
<orkel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Paraphrased from page 15, substituting Miscavige for Hitler, and
Internet for Russian

"Since the turn of fortune on the Internet front, the number of
frustrations have increased and Miscavige's counterattacks have
failed, at times disastrously. There is no structure for defense in
Miscavige's personality"

The directions for dealing with his followers is apt...

We have in fact been doing much of this...

Arnie Lerma

[chuckb...@aol.com]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

> Any writings of mine posted here or on my homepages is free of use. All
> copyright is donated to the public domaine.
>
> Ulf

Thankyou Ulf,

I was struck that your remarks are the cream of a
book that someone someday will write and lay out
the same information.

Thankyou for sharing your thoughts and
understandings.

This supports the recent decades hopeful view
that the internet makes good on the mankind's
long held view that the best things in life are
free!

Thankyou for sharing your excellent opinions.

Chuck Beatty

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Eldonbraun wrote:
> Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:
> > " It can be predicted that we will find the German people profoundly
> > humiliated,resentful,disenchanted, dejected,morbse, despairing of the
> > future. Accustomed to obeying an arbitrary external authority, they
> > will have no dependable inner guide to control behaviour. There will be
> > a wave of crime and suicide. Apathy will be wide-spread"..."
> > Disorganisation and confusion will be general oreating a breeding
> > ground for cults of extreme individualism"
> >
> > This is spooky , thinking of the disciples of LRH and his criminal
> > organisation.
>
> Yes Ulf, it is spooky as hell. Just read various posts on this
> newsgroup and see how various people buzz around the Hubbard meme.
>
> Or consider Germany today. I was dumbstruck (amazed) by what a young
> German guy told me a few years ago: "We young Germans have no history.
> We're starting over again." Of course, he was telling me that he had
> part of his attention on history. I don't need to be Carl Jung to see
> that projection. It was right out there.
>
> At about that time, I talked to a woman from Israel who had gone to a
> "confidential" upper level course by a Scientology squirrel in
> Germany-- Willingen, to be exact. She was freaked out by the cheering
> and other manifestations of cult behavior exhibited by the Germans at
> the end of the course in their anticipation of creating an "enlightened
> planetary civilization." It reminded her of... you-know-what.

I certainly does. Doesn´t the Sea Org members use phony uniforms and
bogus decorations,saluting rituals etcetera?

> I am from a backward part of the United States-- Kansas. There were
> still remnants of the Civil War where I grew up. In my childhood,
> during the early 1950s, I believed black people were inferior. So did
> everyone else-- including black people of course.

We Swedes have been blessed ( or cursed depending of point of view)
with peace for hundreds of years.

> On the bright side, Germany has done a great job of dealing with the
> aftermath and undoing the social mess Hitler caused. If we are decent
> citizens of the world, I think we must try to undo the influences that
> put people into these tragic states. We can't really change people's
> biology (nature). Maybe we can do something about their environment
> (nurture).
>
> Here I'm going into the theory of child development. So how could we
> have given L. Ron Hubbard a better chance to become a constructive
> human? If you had been in control of his upbringing during those
> crucial early years, could his madness have been prevented? Or would
> you have waited and given him thorazine at the time his schizophrenia
> developed (typically in the late teens or early twenties)?
>
> Now I'll go a giant step further. I think Lloyd deMause is a major nut,
> generally. But to me, he still makes an intellectual point somehow.
> What do you think of his child abuse theories, as crackpot and
> exaggerated though they may be?

Haven´t formed an opinion on Lloyd deMause , never heard his name
until now.

To my opinion , we really need to build society
politically-economically much more considering the basic
emotional,psychological and intellectual needs of our children ,
instead of the needs of the testosteron driven alpha male, as is the
case in most of the world today. We haven´t come that far in
development from our cousin monkey. "Intelligent design"? - Yeah -
right.

The British child and youth psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Winnicot ,
phrased the term "Good enough parent" - good enough to fullfill the
childs basic needs in nurturing - emotionally,psychologically and
physiologically.
This would be a good starting point trying to achieve with every
parent.

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

chuckb...@aol.com skrev:

Thank you Chuck, means alot to me coming from you with your past
history.

Keep up buddy!

Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Lermanet.com skrev:

> On 16 Aug 2005 12:00:25 -0700, "Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam"
> <orkel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Paraphrased from page 15, substituting Miscavige for Hitler, and
> Internet for Russian
>
> "Since the turn of fortune on the Internet front, the number of
> frustrations have increased and Miscavige's counterattacks have
> failed, at times disastrously. There is no structure for defense in
> Miscavige's personality"
>
> The directions for dealing with his followers is apt...
>
> We have in fact been doing much of this...
>
> Arnie Lerma

You and others most certainly have, and your work is most impressive.
Those of us that opposes stupidity,ignorance and not least the
systematic abuses and crimes against human rights carried out within
and out the cults needs to join forces and become comrades of arms, if
you get my drift. I think we have covered signifiquant ground already
through internet. Now we mustn´t loose pace and tempo.

>
> >" It can be predicted that we will find the German people profoundly
> >humiliated,resentful,disenchanted, dejected,morbse, despairing of the
> >future. Accustomed to obeying an arbitrary external authority, they
> >will have no dependable inner guide to control behaviour. There will be
> >a wave of crime and suicide. Apathy will be wide-spread"..."
> >Disorganisation and confusion will be general oreating a breeding
> >ground for cults of extreme individualism"
> >
> >This is spooky , thinking of the disciples of LRH and his criminal
> >organisation.
> >
> >Ulf Brettstam

Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam skrev:

Pushing up through TS spamming.

Ulf

To my knowledge ,my
knowledge gets lesser the more I learn.
- Orkeltatte -

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Give up stupid.

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam skrev:

> Lermanet.com skrev:

I think LRH fits perfectly to "normal" standards of psychiatry and the
suggested diagnosis in combination with his "selfmedication"

A possible differential diagnosis could be Schizoaffective disorder -
eg a schizophrenic with clinically signifiquant affective symtoms
(manic - depressive episodes)

Ulf Brettstam

[Barbara Schwarz]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

> Thanks for your comment and thanks for the urls.
>
> I read a biography on Adolf many years ago by an author named Bull I
> think. Titel was something like "A study in Tyranni"
>
> I do not believe Hitler was a schizophrenic but I have not reflected on
> him with my diagnostic eyeglasses on.

Why not, you are so eager to diagnose even mentally healthy people?

>To my knowledge he was a
> drugaddict the latter years of his life , given coctailshots with
> morphine and centralstimulants and who know what more. He was a
> sensitive and indolent boy from start with an abusive father and
> overprotective mother.

Oh, "poor", "poor" Adolf!

Rest of your Hitler promotion and bashing of L. Ron Hubbard snipped,
you conscienceless defamer.

Barbara Schwarz

[Eldonbraun]

Barbiecraziepet, please stop changing the subject heading. That is srot
of dumb. And we do have to look at these cult leaders' drug problems to
make sense out of their psychoses. You might have had more fun as a
drug addict, you know. Think about that.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

[Eldonbraun]

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

She of course can´t stand the fact that others has the right to
freedom of speach when they(we) say things she doesn´t like. Was the
same thing with Adolf and with Stalin and Mao as is with Castro and
come to think of it with LRH and the criminal organization of
Scientology. TS is another supressor of the free word.

Ulf

In view of this, it defies the imagination that these defendants have
the unmitigated audacity to seek to defend their actions in the
name of "religion."

Criminal No. 78-401(2)&(3)
US v Kember,Budlong -1981( Operation Snow white participants)p 32-34

[samvaknin]

Hi,

Fromm remote "diagnosed" both Hitler and Stalin as malignant
narcissists.

See these:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/hitler.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/fascism.html

Take care.

Sam

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:
> Thanks for your comment and thanks for the urls.
>
> I read a biography on Adolf many years ago by an author named Bull I
> think. Titel was something like "A study in Tyranni"
>
> I do not believe Hitler was a schizophrenic but I have not reflected on

> him with my diagnostic eyeglasses on. To my knowledge he was a

> drugaddict the latter years of his life , given coctailshots with
> morphine and centralstimulants and who know what more. He was a
> sensitive and indolent boy from start with an abusive father and

> overprotective mother. Allthough he academically performed excellent in
> early school years , he couldnt take the insult of not being in top of
> his class in secondary school and flunked school. This is clearly an
> indication of what was to come and he most certainly had a serious
> struck of narcissism. He thrived in the army during the first world war
> but depsite the fact that he was decorated five times for his bravery(
> Iron cross and other decorations) he never rose above the rank of
> corpral. Probably due to his eccentricities. A correct judgement by his
> superior officers , don´t you think?
>
> Yes there are a lot of similarities between Hubbard and Hitler when it
> comes to their personalities, not least their delusions of omnipotence
> which is a characteristic trait in the narcissistically struck
> individual.And finally they were both paranoic, but Hitler might have
> had a well and in reality founded fear of "people out to get him" than
> Hubbard. But as they say " The fact you are a paranoic doesn´t mean
> someone isn´t out to get you"
>
> I will read the OSS file and Murrays evaluation with great interest.
> Thanks again Arnaldo and keep on with your important work.
>
> Ulf

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

samvaknin skrev:

In these obvious cases, Hitler , Stalin and Elron Hubbard , it is an
open and shot case. No challange.

Ulf Brettstam

You are not a genius just because you are crazy
Johan Henrik Kellgren 1751-1795
Poet and personal secretary to the Swedish King

[Barbara Schwarz]

That is rather the problem that you and your friends are having. You
are the people who file false complaints about me to bully me from the
net. You posted that yourself, Ulf.

>Was the
> same thing with Adolf and with Stalin and Mao as is with Castro and
> come to think of it with LRH and the criminal organization of
> Scientology.

The psychs, your colleagues were and behind the dictators and L. Ron
Hubbard was a fine and good man who is defamed by the likes of you.

>TS is another supressor of the free word.

Truthseeker is a friend of anti-religious extremist, the Nazi friendly
Arnie Lerma. Truthseeker is Timothy Higgs of Maryland and he hates
Scientology as insanely as you do, Ulf.

Barbara Schwarz (proud Scientologist)
**********************
"I am attacked, libeled and defamed on Usenet because I am a thinker."
-- Barbara Schwarz
***********************
Interesting websites:
http://www.parishioners.org/extremists/index.html (about the
anti-religious extremists)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/index.html (for the
media)
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm (about the "critics" on
alt.religion.scientology)
http://www.cchr.org (about psychiatric crimes)
http://datafilter.com/mc (about mindcontrol)
http://freespeechstore.com ( e.g.about the NANAE punks)
http://www.amatterofjustice.org/amoj/00index.cfm (about corrupt judges
and reform of the judicial system)

[roger gonnet]

Dear Ulf,

Thanks a lot for the work done! I loved it a lot, very amusing.

I've almost completed the french translation, but I'd need some explanations or
the french technical terms if you have those (but don't dig too long if you
don't, I'll get help from a psychiatrist, a cousin of mine - but she does not
have a good english.)

I've put some *** for the passages where perhaps you can give me some detail.

Thanks a lot!

regards,

roger

"Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam" <orkel...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message
de news: 1123956863....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Thanks to Roger Gonnet who pointed me to this and of course a Big
thanks to Gerry Armstrong who brought this confessional" writings to
the public. George , you really knew what you were talking about in
your foreword. I know understand why the "church" hates you and
persecutes you and ultimatly fears you so much.

http://www.holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm

Lets go through the text one step at the time and I will make comments
on the way from a psychiatrists perspective.

THE ADMISSIONS OF L. RON HUBBARD

Course I

LRH: Polly was very bad for me sexually. Because of her coldness
physically, the falsity of her pretensions, I believed myself a near
eunuch between 1933 and 1936 or ? when I found I was attractive to
other women. I had many affairs. But my failure to please Polly made me
always pay so much attention to my momentary mate that I derived small
pleasure myself. This was an anxiety neurosis which cut down my natural
powers.

UB: He is in desperate need of an explanation to his earlier
shortcomings, ****not least in the sexual area***, and it has to be an
explanation that he can live with and that can give his strength back.
His focus on the momentary mate on the expense of self pleasure nad
self worth, is likely the product of self obliteration, wich is
commenly seen with those having experienced emotional and psychological
neglect in early childhood.

[I'm unsure of what you wanted to express by "not least" ?]

LRH: In 1938-39 I met a girl in New York, Helen, who pleased me very
much physically. I loved her and she me. The affair would have lasted
had not Polly found out. Polly made things so miserable that I finally
detested her and became detested by Helen, who two-timed me on my
return to New York in 1941. This also reduced my libido. I have had
Helen since but no longer want her. She does not excite me and I do not
love her.

People dislike cripples. You need never be a cripple. You have never
done anything for which you need feel guilty. You never need punish
yourself about anything. You are in wonderful glowing health. You never
have accidents because you are prudent and poised.

UB: Getting rid of the ***last pieces of humanity and crap*** like a normal
conscience.

[Unsure what your meant here]

===[from the addition of references]:===

Some references to my comments on Admissions

References:

* Blunted Affect
* Loosening of Associations
* Ambivalence
* Autism

"In all forms of schizophrenia, however mild, we find a specific
disorder of thought characterized by a loosening of the normal
associations....Many other problems, relating to logic and concepts,
can be deduced from this loosening, such as deficiency of judgment,
imprecision, the condensation of several concepts into 1, etc. In the
affective sphere, the emotional responses are uneven; normal in
relation to certain events, they may be entirely absent with
others...***it is out of step with the changes occurring either in the
outside world or in the individual himself." ***

[Did you mean here that the emotional responses are dort of disrelated , or
out-of-timely response, or ???]

Other symptoms of schizophrenia include delusions, hallucinations,
catatonia, negativism, and stupor. These were thought to be "secondary"
symptoms and present in reaction to the individual's intentions,
drives, psychotic state, and environmental conditions. Bleuler noted
that these secondary symptoms were present in schizophrenia as well as
in other disorders. He also asserted that despite the secondary nature
of these symptoms, they formed the basis of the Kraepelinian
classificatory system.

2) Kurt Schneider: Schneider K. Clinical Psychopathology. Hamilton MW,
trans. London, England: Grune and Stratton; 1959.

Kurt Schneider termed the core features "first-rank" symptoms.[26]
These symptoms included:

* Hearing one's thoughts spoken aloud
* Auditory hallucinations commenting on one's own behavior
* ***Thought withdrawal, insertion and broadcasting***
* Somatic hallucinations, or the experience of one's thoughts as
being controlled or influenced from the outside

[I couldn't imagine that term broadcasting [I've not psychiatry dictionary]-
does that mean he hear voices like in a radio?] and don't understand well
'insertion" here either.

3) Sigmund Freud:

Freudian psychoanalytic formulations viewed psychotic symptoms as
manifestations of unresolved conflict resolution resulting in defective
***object-relations***. Freud's conceptualizations influenced Bleuler's
thinking and were incorporated into his fundamental clinical constructs
of autism, ambivalence, and disturbances of the sense of self

[is this literraly the sense of oneself, or the perception of self? - just a
question]

Ulf Brettstam

[Barbara Schwarz]

roger gonnet wrote:
> Dear Ulf,
>
>
> Thanks a lot for the work done! I loved it a lot, very amusing.

Libel, lies, defamation and forgeries are not amusing, they are
criminal.

Psychiatry is amusing? Tell that to the people who were ruined and
their families who lost a loved one to this butcher "science."

>
> I've almost completed the french translation, but I'd need some explanations or
> the french technical terms if you have those (but don't dig too long if you
> don't, I'll get help from a psychiatrist, a cousin of mine - but she does not
> have a good english.)

Roger Gonnet has a psych as cousin? No wonder he is a psych troll! Does
she also go to nude camps like Roger?

Did she treat Roger's ex wife? And on what did she die?

Barbara Schwarz
P.S.
German Tilman Joerg Hausherr works for Siemens. They produced medical
multi-purpose switches (lithotripters) that can be used to detonate
nuclear devices, and they shipped these concealed weapons of mass
destruction to dictator Saddam Hussein via France.
It is broadly suspected that Tilman Hausherr is a German secret service

agent for the OCP, the Office of Constitution Protection,
(Bundesverfassungsschutz) who confirmed a cozy relationship with
Siemens. This was mentioned first time by an ex critic.
Hausherr's boss at Siemens is Klaus Kleinfeld, his boss at the OCP is
Heinz Fromm.

The OCP wastes money and time to spy and infiltrate the Church
of Scientology with their agents but did not stop the September 11
terrorist cell of Mohammed Atta who flew in the planes in the twin
towers. They also spy on me and conspire against me here in the USA
despite have no authority under the law to do that on American soil.
Tilman Hausherr, a man who works for such a company and a
German hostile secret service (that stalks me) should not write
articles on Wikipedia about me. He is heavily biased towards me. He
covers up all outrageous crimes that the government of Germany
committed against me.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/7d8f...

Barbara Schwarz
P.S.
Btw, Wikipedia founder Jim Jimmy "Jimbo" Wales was the owner/ CEO of
porn search engine Bomis.com. That may also explain why Wikipedia is
such a libel machine in which "contributor" gangs, as the one
supporting Tilman Hausherr, destroy reputations and overwrite facts
with defamation and false reports.

*******************
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/e5b26534ed...

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=wikipedia%20sucks!&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&t...

***********************
Interesting websites:
http://www.parishioners.org/extremists/index.html

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/index.html
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/whistle/cwletters/cw2.html
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
http://www.cchr.org
http://datafilter.com/mc
http://freespeechstore.com
http://www.amatterofjustice.org/amoj/00index.cfm
********************

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

*Not least* meaning that this was Hubbards number one problem, or the
problem that occupied him and concerned most.

>
> LRH: In 1938-39 I met a girl in New York, Helen, who pleased me very
> much physically. I loved her and she me. The affair would have lasted
> had not Polly found out. Polly made things so miserable that I finally
> detested her and became detested by Helen, who two-timed me on my
> return to New York in 1941. This also reduced my libido. I have had
> Helen since but no longer want her. She does not excite me and I do not
> love her.
>
>
> People dislike cripples. You need never be a cripple. You have never
> done anything for which you need feel guilty. You never need punish
> yourself about anything. You are in wonderful glowing health. You never
> have accidents because you are prudent and poised.
>
> UB: Getting rid of the ***last pieces of humanity and crap*** like a normal
> conscience.
>
> [Unsure what your meant here]

Hubbard evidently couldn´t handle being a normally weak human being
with the kind of emotions and fears we all share in relationsships with
other people.Espescially with those people that are important to us. It
is how other people reflects us through their reactions towards us in
our interindividual interaction , that gives us a sense of *self* and
who we are. Goes to our perception of identity. Not being able to
handle the pain originated from interactions with others ( normal human
reactions)Hubbard had to alienate himself from these emotionally
disturbing inner processes in order to function at all. Hence he put
the lid on ,so to speak, with this selfhypnotic rundown program , which
in effect made him divine and able to look down on people around him.
>From this hightened position he didn´t need to concern him self with
matters of normal human conscience and moral. He was a God , or at
least a chosen one, who always knew what was best.

>
>
> ===[from the addition of references]:===
>
> Some references to my comments on Admissions
>
> References:
>
>
>
> * Blunted Affect
> * Loosening of Associations
> * Ambivalence
> * Autism
>
> "In all forms of schizophrenia, however mild, we find a specific
> disorder of thought characterized by a loosening of the normal
> associations....Many other problems, relating to logic and concepts,
> can be deduced from this loosening, such as deficiency of judgment,
> imprecision, the condensation of several concepts into 1, etc. In the
> affective sphere, the emotional responses are uneven; normal in
> relation to certain events, they may be entirely absent with
> others...***it is out of step with the changes occurring either in the
> outside world or in the individual himself." ***
>
> [Did you mean here that the emotional responses are dort of disrelated , or
> out-of-timely response, or ???]

The schizophrenics *logic* is his/hers own due to the disturbance of
normal thoughtprocesses. *out of step* would translate to *without
connection to reality* eg psychotic in nature. The capacity to
interpret stimuli ,be they from the *outer*physical world or be they
from our *inner* self, is reduced or in the severe cases ( vegetative
or cathatonic states)totally gone.

>
> Other symptoms of schizophrenia include delusions, hallucinations,
> catatonia, negativism, and stupor. These were thought to be "secondary"
> symptoms and present in reaction to the individual's intentions,
> drives, psychotic state, and environmental conditions. Bleuler noted
> that these secondary symptoms were present in schizophrenia as well as
> in other disorders. He also asserted that despite the secondary nature
> of these symptoms, they formed the basis of the Kraepelinian
> classificatory system.
>
> 2) Kurt Schneider: Schneider K. Clinical Psychopathology. Hamilton MW,
> trans. London, England: Grune and Stratton; 1959.
>
> Kurt Schneider termed the core features "first-rank" symptoms.[26]
> These symptoms included:
>
> * Hearing one's thoughts spoken aloud
> * Auditory hallucinations commenting on one's own behavior
> * ***Thought withdrawal, insertion and broadcasting***
> * Somatic hallucinations, or the experience of one's thoughts as
> being controlled or influenced from the outside
>
> [I couldn't imagine that term broadcasting [I've not psychiatry dictionary]-
> does that mean he hear voices like in a radio?] and don't understand well
> 'insertion" here either.

*Thought withdrawel* - your thoughts disapears maybe because someone or
something( aliens sometimes) steels them from you.

*Insertion* - the opposite of withdrawel - thoughts are somehow
implanted. Compare with BS *earimplants*

*Broadcast* You can broadcast your thoughts to others,eg telepathy.

>
> 3) Sigmund Freud:
>
> Freudian psychoanalytic formulations viewed psychotic symptoms as
> manifestations of unresolved conflict resolution resulting in defective
> ***object-relations***. Freud's conceptualizations influenced Bleuler's
> thinking and were incorporated into his fundamental clinical constructs
> of autism, ambivalence, and disturbances of the sense of self
>
> [is this literraly the sense of oneself, or the perception of self? - just a
> question]

*Object-relations* is the term to describe the developmental psychology
process of becoming *self* or perception of self. This is done through
internalizing mental pictures of mostly *mother* or at least the number
one caregiver during ,say the first three or four years in our life.
The primary and every other signifiquant *object* we encounter in our
lives, are invested - charged - with our libido. This way we always has
a relation to our *objects* psychologically and emotionally - according
to Freud and his followers in theory.(Mahler and others)

I hope this has helped, if not , you just be back with questions and I
will try to help you out.

Ulf Brettstam

[Eldonbraun]

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam wrote:

COMMENTS FROM NATIVE TONGUE ENGLISH SPEAKER:

> *Not least* meaning that this was Hubbards number one problem, or the
> problem that occupied him and concerned most.
>

Ulf, this is a backwards (double negative) expresson that really means
"important or high on the list." It could be #1, 2 or 3 in a list of
10. It "is not the least important."

He did not want to be human or ~vulnerable~ I would say. That is a
handy word for having a disability or susceptible to any problem.

> >
> >
> > ===[from the addition of references]:===
> >
> > Some references to my comments on Admissions
> >
> > References:
> >
> >
> >
> > * Blunted Affect
> > * Loosening of Associations
> > * Ambivalence
> > * Autism
> >
> > "In all forms of schizophrenia, however mild, we find a specific
> > disorder of thought characterized by a loosening of the normal
> > associations....Many other problems, relating to logic and concepts,
> > can be deduced from this loosening, such as deficiency of judgment,
> > imprecision, the condensation of several concepts into 1, etc. In the
> > affective sphere, the emotional responses are uneven; normal in
> > relation to certain events, they may be entirely absent with
> > others...***it is out of step with the changes occurring either in the
> > outside world or in the individual himself." ***
> >
> > [Did you mean here that the emotional responses are dort of disrelated , or
> > out-of-timely response, or ???]
>
> The schizophrenics *logic* is his/hers own due to the disturbance of
> normal thoughtprocesses. *out of step* would translate to *without
> connection to reality* eg psychotic in nature. The capacity to
> interpret stimuli ,be they from the *outer*physical world or be they
> from our *inner* self, is reduced or in the severe cases ( vegetative
> or cathatonic states)totally gone.

"Out of step" comes from soldiers marching. It could also be "out of
synch." If you want to say "without connection to reality," try "out of
touch."

In Piaget's theory of child development, he uses the word "schemas" to
describe the gradual phases of separation from the outside world and
the interactions that form a normal sense of identity. Ulf's
explanation describes theories that the process was stopped, so there
is an incomplete sense of self - or subjective/objective relationship
with the outside world.

Please don't consider this an interference. I just like to play with
words, and I probably overuse the (English) dictionary because of some
time spent in Scientology.

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

Thank´s for your input. I am, as you know knot native in English,
which should explain my sometimes crude language.

> > I hope this has helped, if not , you just be back with questions and I
> > will try to help you out.
> >

Ulf Brettstam

To my knowledge ,my

[Eldonbraun]

Swedish is not a crude language. It is melodic, but it is a small
language in terms of population, which is why I don't need to learn it.
French alone is a pain in the ass, and it makes me lazy just to think
about reprogramming my brain to suit its conjugations and idioms-- let
alone dreaming in that language.

I'm still learning the perversities of English anyway. But in French
scientific literature, I suggest you consider Jean Piaget vis a vis
Freud. Piaget was a master when it came to child devlopement. If you
made a diagram of his stages of the process on paper, it would be a
roll of paper stretched for miles with diagrams all over it. And it
would be pretty accuurate.

And also, if you read more of Heinz Kohut's work you would learn
something about the vagaries of Freudian theory. I think Kohut is one
of the neglected giants of modern psychology. But I also think his
writing is too abstract and academic. Michel Foucault was the same way.
Sort of a semantical trap, evading translation.

Best, Eldon

[Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam]

I was actually referring to my use of the english language.

> I'm still learning the perversities of English anyway. But in French
> scientific literature, I suggest you consider Jean Piaget vis a vis
> Freud. Piaget was a master when it came to child devlopement. If you
> made a diagram of his stages of the process on paper, it would be a
> roll of paper stretched for miles with diagrams all over it. And it
> would be pretty accuurate.
>
> And also, if you read more of Heinz Kohut's work you would learn
> something about the vagaries of Freudian theory. I think Kohut is one
> of the neglected giants of modern psychology. But I also think his
> writing is too abstract and academic. Michel Foucault was the same way.
> Sort of a semantical trap, evading translation.
>
> Best, Eldon
>

Piaget and Kohut are both great thinkers and contributors to
developmental psychology. Have you read anything from Daniel Stern? He
has , to my knowledge, with his theories on the development of *self*
also made a major contribution , if not a shift in paradigm, when it
comes to developmental psychology.