Another Scientologist leaves
cerr...@freedom.net
instead,
decided to speak out.
I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
to post
my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by OSA, I will
tell
you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to contribute to ARS
in
ways that will help others see the truth about the C of S.
I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here. Many of you
already know this data, but it may be new to others.
The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on what to say
and
write.
I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done and a new
program issued.
The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much worse that
usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order for everyone to star
rate and
clay demo the policy on Fair Game and handling attacks and then let the OSA
posters go to town. This may also be the result of some of the OSA posters
going a bit "PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time.
Well here, imho, is why. The OSA posters each have a Stat. The stats work
something like this.
5 point for a an anti psych post
5 points for a post that slams the critics
5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in. Definition of line is
something
that the C of S is pushing i.e. Minton is a criminal, Minton is a psych
case, psychs
are criminals etc.
10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he got over
100
responses to his thread)
Bonus Points
100 points for outing a critic
100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
Minus points
-5 for degrading posts about LRH
-10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
- 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
-25 for a newly posting critic
Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you can see how
the
game works. I am also quite sure that some of the critics can have lots of
fun with
these stats and dream up some really good ones.
If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your last dime
that
you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination of all the OSA
posters stats put
together because he is the I/C (in charge). If stats are down and they
want to get
them up, they just post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they figure how
many
posts have to be made to get the stats up.
Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think it is very
important that their lies and deceit be made known to people lurking here.
I think
that one good slam deserves another and I intend on answering a few of their
posts
myself. But I also want you to know what kind of game they are playing
with
some of these posts.
Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence, which in
Scientology speak is very good.
Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
their stats!
Cerridwen
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JimDBB
>From: cerr...@freedom.net
>Date: 4/28/01 2:16 PM Central Daylight Time
Thank you for your very valuable post. And welcome to the readl...wog world.
You will feel great when you really realize that you are free of L. Ron
Hubbard's madness.
arnie lerma
I think they have another one
250 points for antagonizing a critic into posting something we can
the show to a court, out of context, and call it HATE speech - thats
what their antagonistic rants are designed for.
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
Dave Bird
>
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly.
> I have instead, decided to speak out.
> I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a
> position to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by OSA,
> I will tell you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to
> contribute to ARS in ways that will help others see the truth about
> the C of S.
Interesting post. Minor niggle, please shorten your line
length a bit (don't worry, I can re-format if the content
is interesting, though I'd rather I didn't need to).
> I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here.
> Many of you already know this data, but it may be new to others.
> The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on
> what to say and write.
>
> I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done
> and a new program issued.
Lots of questions occur. Gavino Idda's team: how many people,
of what seniority, do you have names for them.... how long do
people serve on that team? How are persons assigned to accounts,
are some accounts always the same person or are all used in rota.
Do accounts have "sub-hats" (roles, valences), or do persons, or both;
are they assigned to attack specific people, or to be the "reasonable"
one, or whatever?
Is this team considered important?? I mean that some people say
Mandible is Kendrick "KentuckyFried Children" Moxon but, if I were
in charge, I wouldn't waste a member of the legal team on minor work.
When you talk about "evals, programs, and orders" could you give
some idea or a rough imitation of what will be in them. Presumably
OSA evaluates the situation in respect of ARS, and assigns who to
attack or what "lines" to advance. More about this, please.....
>
>The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much
>worse that ( <- sic ) usual. It appears that Davey may have issued
>an order for everyone to star rate and clay demo the policy on Fair
>Game and handling attacks and then let the OSA posters go to town.
>This may also be the result of some of the OSA posters going a bit
>"PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
>cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
>
>We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
>night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time. Well here, IMHO, is why. The OSA
>posters each have a Stat. The stats work something like this.
OK, let's look at these stats.......
>5 point for a an anti psych post
>5 points for a post that slams the critics
>5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in. Definition
>of line is something that the C of S is pushing i.e. Minton is a
>criminal, Minton is a psych case, psychs are criminals etc.
>10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he
>got over 100 responses to his thread)
>
>Bonus Points
>
>100 points for outing a critic
>100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
>500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
>Minus points
>
>-5 for degrading posts about LRH
>-10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
>- 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
>-25 for a newly posting critic
So..... we can't stop them putting their points. We could alter
the subject line to curve it back against them. "Don't reply"
is good advice, except sometimes it is useful and convenient to.
MOST OF ALL don't fight among yourselves, or get driven off.
We can't easily recruit new critics at will; but we can always
turn articles to the subject of publicly buggering the Dopy Midget
with a NOTS pack, or shoving a bronze bust of Hubbard up his most
prominent feature, or mention the name XEMU Xemu Xemu a few times.
QUESTION: do they get no points for a follow-up if it also
has penalty points? Do standard pictures of Phatso auditing
a tomato or joining the Tellytubbies get points every time??
>Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you
>can see how the game works. I am also quite sure that some of the
>critics can have lots of fun with these stats and dream up some
>really good ones.
>If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your
>last dime that you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a
>combination of all the OSA posters stats put together because
>he is the I/C (in charge). If stats are down and they want to
>get them up, they just post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
So if we wanted to mess them up, a barrage of spam could be met
by a barrage of midget-buggering articles or the like.
>
>Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they
>figure how many posts have to be made to get the stats up.
>
>Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
Well, I don't: moi non plus.
>I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think
>it is very important that their lies and deceit be made known to
>people lurking here. I think that one good slam deserves another
>and I intend on answering a few of their posts myself. But I also
>want you to know what kind of game they are playing with some of
>these posts.
OK. So it's a good idea to see that ONE person has answered
their nonsense thoroughly, then go on to make a new posting
which takes the mickey out of Hubbub or the Oat Tea nonsense.
> Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence,
So they think they're getting a few 100 pointers... fighting
among ourselves, critics being outed (by definition that can't
keep up forever), critics closing down.
Didn't they get creamed for brining all those new people
from SlashDot?? --25 is not enough of a deduction, by me !!!!
>which in Scientology speak is very good. Since I am now an SP for
>speaking out against the church, I say we crash their stats!
>
>Cerridwen
>
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Birgitta
Thanks a lot and welcome out !
May Xenu bless you, and I guess the Church of Scientology will condemn
you. Davey (*) will certainly spit on his shoes when trying to quote
L. Ron Hubbard "if it isn't fun, it isn't Scientology".
(How much was that?)
Bid - The Angel of Xenu
The Great Suprendo
>I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
>instead,
>decided to speak out.
Whoever you are - congratulations on your courageous and brave move. I
trust that soon you will be able to reap the benefits of freedom.
--
This post was brought to you by a suppurating ring-blister named Colin.
Monica Pignotti
story, when you're ready to talk about it. I was involved in Scientology in
the 70s (1970-76) and was on the Apollo.
What you say about OSA and stats makes a lot of sense. That's one very
stable
datum, that every Scientologists in any position has a stat and we sure
could
have a lot of fun thinking up what they all could be.
Nelson owes me a thank you for helping get his stat up this week if that is
the case! I responded to him several times and he got to call me a psych
several times.
Monica
>===== Original Message From cerr...@freedom.net =====
>I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
>instead,
>decided to speak out.
>
Furman
Monica Pignotti <Moni...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>[...]
>Nelson owes me a thank you for helping get his stat up this week if that is
>the case! I responded to him several times and he got to call me a psych
>several times.
Next time just include the essentials in your followup, per the formula:
-10 for replying to clamspew
+5 for raising awareness of the dead fat conman
+10 for raising awareness of the paranoid poodle
+5 for raising awareness of the "OT levels" ripoff and Saint Xenu
-------------------------------------
+10 net upstat! Hip! Hip! Hooray!!
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Chris Sutor
: I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
: instead,
: decided to speak out.
Welcome back to the chaotic, unscripted world of reality.
: 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
Hmm.. I haven't posted for awhile. Not from being chased off - but because
there are actually more important things I could be doing with my time
than kibitzing on usenet...
But hey, who am I to back off from a 500 point challenge? Here's me.
Adjust stats appropriately.
: Minus points
: -5 for degrading posts about LRH
You mean, that no-talent hack responsible for the worst movie ever made?
That fat, bloated bastard who lied non-stop about his naval career, was a
joke among his peers, and who died on the run from the police, as a
fugitive from justice?
: -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
Oh, you mean that highschool dropout, who's so beloved by his associates
that he keeps cling-film over his waterglass, to prevent his close
"friends" from poisoning/drugging him? Yeah, that's a spiritual leader,
there. Laughing all the way to the bank, or the casino, as the case may
be..
: - 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
Like at www.xenu.net? Xenu's a hard one to work into conversation - it's
not like you can say "Hey, did you see Xenu on teevee last night? He was
on Letterman, reading the OT levels and getting big laughs with each line.
He totally killed, it was awsome...especially when he got to the 'There
was no jesus' bit - Dave spit his coffee out onto the desk and threw a
whole buncha pencils at the camera. Classic bit. Classic."
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(Reformatted)
Bonus Points
Minus points
- 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu -25
for a newly posting critic
Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you can see
how the game works. I am also quite sure that some of the critics can have
lots of fun with these stats and dream up some really good ones.
If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your last dime
that you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination of all the OSA
posters stats put together because he is the I/C (in charge). If stats
are down and they want to get them up, they just post a ton of a spam with
their "lines".
Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they figure how
many posts have to be made to get the stats up.
Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think it is very
important that their lies and deceit be made known to people lurking here.
I think that one good slam deserves another and I intend on answering a few
of their posts myself. But I also want you to know what kind of game they
are playing with some of these posts.
Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence, which in
Scientology speak is very good.
Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
their stats!
Cerridwen
Phineas Fogg
on the OSA you can, much appreciated.
Phineas Fogg
<cerr...@freedom.net> wrote in message news:tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com...
The Great Suprendo
>: -5 for degrading posts about LRH
>
>You mean, that no-talent hack responsible for the worst movie ever made?
>That fat, bloated bastard who lied non-stop about his naval career, was a
>joke among his peers, and who died on the run from the police, as a
>fugitive from justice?
Would that be the bigamist, the main convicted of fraud and issued with
a five year jail term in his absence on France ? The "I'm drunking lots
of rum and popping lots of pinks and greys" drug-ridden drunkard ? The
second-rate science-fiction writer ? The discredited mental case ?
Zinj
>
>Congratulations on leaving the CofS. I'll be very interested in hearing your
>story, when you're ready to talk about it. I was involved in Scientology in
>the 70s (1970-76) and was on the Apollo.
>
>What you say about OSA and stats makes a lot of sense. That's one very
>stable
>datum, that every Scientologists in any position has a stat and we sure
>could
>have a lot of fun thinking up what they all could be.
>
>Nelson owes me a thank you for helping get his stat up this week if that is
>the case! I responded to him several times and he got to call me a psych
>several times.
>
>Monica
And of course the Hubbard decreed mindless pursuit of 'stats' makes little
sense since the simulated reality of Hubbardism as applied by the Xenu-buggared
dwarf David Miscavige and his Sooper OT's at OSA has almost no relationship to
the real world.
Thus, things being counted as + points such as mindless psychospam, vicious
bile spewing and the showing of the true face of Happy Fun Cult are actually
negatives.
Congrats on getting out Cerridwen.
Zinj
barb
So whaddaya get for all these useful 'points?' Group approval? A free
pack of Kools? Can you redeem them for gifts? Or are they as meaningless
as Dennis Clarke's "President Emeritus" title, or the phony ranks in the
Sea Org?
Welcome to ARS, Cerridwen! Buckle up, it's an E ticket ride for one of
your history! Freedom has been within your reach all along, I hope you
quickly adapt and begin to enjoy it!
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site
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every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Scientology:
Do you want to save the world?
Then eat this booger.
--Hud Nordin
Mike Krotz
It does seem as of late that there is a renewed emphasis on "hate" in the
postings by $cientology ops. It must be the latest line, as the word appears in
almost every clambot post.
My true feelings about a commited $cientologist are a combination of pity and
compassion. To have that labeled "hate" is a gross insult, but I endure that
because I know they cannot help themselves. Like an animal trained to fight,
they only do what they have been manipulated into doing. If anyone has hatred
in their hearts, it is the $cientologists who ruthlessly attack and DA people
here and elsewhere, whenever someone dares speak out against them.
Thank you for sharing what you can with us. I have met Tory, the Barneses, and
many other former $cientologists, I think they are wonderful people, and I hope
to be able to meet many more FORMER members soon. They are all proof that there
is life after $cientology and its mind control, and it is far better than you
ever imagined.
MK
Chris Sutor
: Would that be the bigamist, the main convicted of fraud and issued with
: a five year jail term in his absence on France ? The "I'm drunking lots
: of rum and popping lots of pinks and greys" drug-ridden drunkard ? The
: second-rate science-fiction writer ? The discredited mental case ?
Yeah, that's the nut-job. Jeez, the more I hear about him, the more he
reminds me of Arnold Rimmer (for you Red Dwarf fans)... I mean, for fuck's
sake - how delusional do you have to be, to engage a CHARTED magnetic
deposit in combat, because you've decided it's a sub in disguise? And how
good a writer is he really, if he has to have his sales numbers
artificially enhanced with fake sales, and repurchasing scams?
L. Ron Hubbard is, without a doubt, the single most useless human being
ever born. The world would be a much better place if he'd never existed...
Ixbalam
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
> instead, decided to speak out.
Good! Welcome!
> I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a
> position to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by OSA,
> I will tell you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to
> contribute to ARS in ways that will help others see the truth about
> the C of S.
>
> I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here. Many
> of you already know this data, but it may be new to others.
>
> The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on what
> to say and write.
>
> I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done and a
> new program issued.
>
> The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much
> worse that usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order for
> everyone to star rate and clay demo the policy on Fair Game and
> handling attacks and then let the OSA posters go to town. This may
> also be the result of some of the OSA posters going a bit "PTS" and
> it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at cause" then this
> would handle their PTSness.
How do you clay demo Fair Game? Make little clay figures of
Scientologists attacking critics with hammers? Sounds scary to me.
You're not kidding about them being unusually antagonistic. Some of
the posts I've read this week were pactically dripping venom. To me if
some of them got a bit PTS, that's a good sign that morale may be
breaking down and they're getting a clue about what's really going on.
These people have to read at least a little of what is posted here any
starting to get an idea what's really going on. That means we're all
doing our jobs and earning our Mintonbux . =^.^=
> We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
> night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time.
>
> Well here, imho, is why. The OSA posters each have a Stat. The
> stats work something like this.
>
>
> 5 point for a an anti psych post 5 points for a post that slams the
> critics 5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in.
> Definition of line is something that the C of S is pushing i.e.
> Minton is a criminal, Minton is a psych case, psychs are criminals
> etc.
>
> 10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he
> got over 100 responses to his thread)
>
> Bonus Points
>
> 100 points for outing a critic 100 points for getting the critics
> fighting among themselves 500 points for getting a critic to stop
> posting
Hmm... stop posting for how long? My own posting is a bit sporadic
but I'm not going to go away. If they're tallying up the number of
critics not posting for the week at 14:00 on Thursday the OSA posters
could get one hell of a temporary boost to their stats from those who
just didn't post in that particular week. I also wonder if they count
critics who stop posting for personal reasons. The idea that someone
(especially Gavino Idda) got a positive stat when Joe Harrington stopped
posting really really burns me.
> Minus points
>
> -5 for degrading posts about LRH -10 for degrading posts about DM (
> Davey is now more important than LRH) - 5 for degrading posts about
> the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu. -25 for a newly posting
> critic
Wow! How do they count these? Do degrading posts only on a thread
started by a shill/bot count toward his/her stat or are the negatives
distributed in some way?
It's funny how posts degrading DM count for twice what a post
degrading LRH and the tech do, isn't it? *G* You clambots can pass my
reards on to poodleboy.
Thank you very much for posting this.
> Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you can
> see how the game works. I am also quite sure that some of the
> critics can have lots of fun with these stats and dream up some
> really good ones.
+15 for a critic mentioning attack eagles or Tom Cruise missiles?
:->
> If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your last
> dime that you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination of
> all the OSA posters stats put together because he is the I/C (in
> charge). If stats are down and they want to get them up, they just
> post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
>
> Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they figure
> how many posts have to be made to get the stats up.
>
> Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
I damn well don't. I know they're just trolling for responses. The
Wednesday-Thursday stats push is pretty noticeable so that's no secret.
> I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think it
> is very important that their lies and deceit be made known to people
> lurking here. I think that one good slam deserves another and I
> intend on answering a few of their posts myself. But I also want
> you to know what kind of game they are playing with some of these
> posts.
It's not hard to guess that they're playing a game like that. How
they get their sacred stat for posting and getting responses has been an
unknown but it wouldn't be too hard to guess that the stat is applied
toward encouraging fewer degrading posts and more volume of responses
here.
> Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence,
> which in Scientology speak is very good.
>
> Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we
> crash their stats!
Hehehe! While I don't want to see anyone suffer as the result of my
own activities here, nothing is going to get any better while they're
jamming the newsgroup with crap to get their stats up.
Thank you for posting and take care.
-Ixy
--
Michael J. Rider, aka Ixbalam http://i.am/ixbalam
"I was asked, 'Are they evil or are they stupid?'
and I said, 'The best I can tell, they're both.'"
-Charles C. Thompson II
cerr...@freedom.net
"JimDBB" <jim...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010428161338...@ng-fx1.aol.com...
> >Subject: Another Scientologist leaves
> >From: cerr...@freedom.net
> >Date: 4/28/01 2:16 PM Central Daylight Time
>
> Thank you for your very valuable post. And welcome to the
readl...wog world.
> You will feel great when you really realize that you are free of L.
Ron
> Hubbard's madness.
Thanks Jim, I have enjoyed reading your posts as well. I am
completely enjoying my life in the wog world. Life is definitely
worth living.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
"Birgitta" <birg...@boberg.nu> wrote in message
news:0gdmet4rvvk2ahvfb...@4ax.com...
Hello Bid. May Xenu bless you as well! Between the two of us, I
would say they got at least minus 25 points.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
"The Great Suprendo" <TheGreat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UM8GsTBb...@ntlworld.com...
> A certain , of alt.religion.scientology "fame", writes :
> >I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I
have
> >instead,
> >decided to speak out.
>
> Whoever you are - congratulations on your courageous and brave move.
I
> trust that soon you will be able to reap the benefits of freedom.
Thanks O Great Suprendo. Full freedom will not occur until I out
myself. But in the meantime, I am having lots of fun.
Cerridwen
>
> --
>
> This post was brought to you by a suppurating ring-blister named
Colin.
>
________________________________________________________________________
cerr...@freedom.net
"Monica Pignotti" <Moni...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
news:3AF1...@MailAndNews.com...
> Congratulations on leaving the CofS. I'll be very interested in
hearing your
> story, when you're ready to talk about it. I was involved in
Scientology in
> the 70s (1970-76) and was on the Apollo.
>
> What you say about OSA and stats makes a lot of sense. That's one
very
> stable
> datum, that every Scientologists in any position has a stat and we
sure
> could
> have a lot of fun thinking up what they all could be.
>
> Nelson owes me a thank you for helping get his stat up this week if
that is
> the case! I responded to him several times and he got to call me a
psych
> several times.
>
> Monica
Hi Monica,
Yes, as an ex, you would know that these guys live for the stats.
Their stats are suppose to reflect their progress here on ARS.
Keeping in mind that their stats are always present in their thinking
makes answering them a bit more fun. It also explains why they
sometimes post some really goofy shit.
Ya have to love that Nelson. He tries so hard.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
> A certain Chris Sutor, of alt.religion.scientology "fame", writes :
> >: -5 for degrading posts about LRH
> >
> >You mean, that no-talent hack responsible for the worst movie ever
made?
> >That fat, bloated bastard who lied non-stop about his naval career,
was a
> >joke among his peers, and who died on the run from the police, as a
> >fugitive from justice?
>
> Would that be the bigamist, the main convicted of fraud and issued
with
> a five year jail term in his absence on France ? The "I'm drunking
lots
> of rum and popping lots of pinks and greys" drug-ridden drunkard ?
The
> second-rate science-fiction writer ? The discredited mental case ?
This one is an iffy call. You didn't mention his name but since it is
mentioned above, I will give you a -5.
Cerridwen
>
> --
>
> This post was brought to you by a suppurating ring-blister named
Colin.
>
________________________________________________________________________
cerr...@freedom.net
"Chris Sutor" <cob...@tiger.tigerden.com> wrote in message
news:9cffqu$93n$1...@bengal.tigerden.com...
> cerr...@freedom.net spake thusly:
> : I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I
have
> : instead,
> : decided to speak out.
>
> Welcome back to the chaotic, unscripted world of reality.
Thanks and I have to tell you that I love it.
>
>
> : 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
> Hmm.. I haven't posted for awhile. Not from being chased off - but
because
> there are actually more important things I could be doing with my
time
> than kibitzing on usenet...
>
> But hey, who am I to back off from a 500 point challenge? Here's me.
> Adjust stats appropriately.
I don't know what the exact criteria would be for this. How stats are
calculated change from time to time. It depends on what the most
recent eval was pushing. For example, a recent eval was obviously
done due to the volume of OSA Posts and content. Along with the eval
is a program with steps (targets).
There are different types of targets as well. Go take a look at any
of the GO programs written. There is a Major Target, Primary Targets,
Vital Targets and Operating Targets. I suggest reading HCOPL 14 Jan
69 OT ORGS. This policy lays it all out for you and I think you can
find it somewhere on the net.
Anyway, sometimes when a new eval is done and a new Program is
written, then new stats are also written. The idea is that the stats
reflect production.
A critic no longer posting would have a definition on the stat sheet.
I don't know what the current definition is. It could be defined as
someone who posts a good bye post or it could be that he/she was
absent and not posting for a certain amount of time. Of course when
they came back and posted, the stats would reflect that and they would
get some minus points.
>
>
> : Minus points
>
> : -5 for degrading posts about LRH
>
> You mean, that no-talent hack responsible for the worst movie ever
made?
> That fat, bloated bastard who lied non-stop about his naval career,
was a
> joke among his peers, and who died on the run from the police, as a
> fugitive from justice?
Yup the very same.
>
>
> : -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important
than LRH)
>
> Oh, you mean that highschool dropout, who's so beloved by his
associates
> that he keeps cling-film over his waterglass, to prevent his close
> "friends" from poisoning/drugging him? Yeah, that's a spiritual
leader,
> there. Laughing all the way to the bank, or the casino, as the case
may
> be..
That's the one!!!
>
> : - 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word
Xenu.
>
> Like at www.xenu.net? Xenu's a hard one to work into conversation -
it's
> not like you can say "Hey, did you see Xenu on teevee last night? He
was
> on Letterman, reading the OT levels and getting big laughs with each
line.
> He totally killed, it was awsome...especially when he got to the
'There
> was no jesus' bit - Dave spit his coffee out onto the desk and threw
a
> whole buncha pencils at the camera. Classic bit. Classic."
Yes and thank you for your contribution to crashing the stats.
>
>
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
> The Great Suprendo <TheGreat...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
>
> : Would that be the bigamist, the main convicted of fraud and issued
with
> : a five year jail term in his absence on France ? The "I'm drunking
lots
> : of rum and popping lots of pinks and greys" drug-ridden drunkard ?
The
> : second-rate science-fiction writer ? The discredited mental case ?
>
> Yeah, that's the nut-job. Jeez, the more I hear about him, the more
he
> reminds me of Arnold Rimmer (for you Red Dwarf fans)... I mean, for
fuck's
> sake - how delusional do you have to be, to engage a CHARTED
magnetic
> deposit in combat, because you've decided it's a sub in disguise?
And how
> good a writer is he really, if he has to have his sales numbers
> artificially enhanced with fake sales, and repurchasing scams?
>
> L. Ron Hubbard is, without a doubt, the single most useless human
being
> ever born. The world would be a much better place if he'd never
existed...
This could be considered a stat push. You already got points earlier
on this thread. Don't be piggy. OK -15 but watch it.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
"Phineas Fogg" <no-can-d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3aeb4...@news2.lightlink.com...
> Thanks for the informative post. Welcome to the ARS, and please
give us all the scoop
> on the OSA you can, much appreciated.
Thanks Phineas
Until such time as I out myself, I will be as helpful as I can, but I
also don't want OSA knocking on my door just yet.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
"Mike Krotz" <Tam...@verizonmail.com> wrote in message
news:3AEB6DB5...@verizonmail.com...
> Welcome back to the real world!
Thanks Mike, it really is a nice place after all.
>
> It does seem as of late that there is a renewed emphasis on "hate"
in the
> postings by $cientology ops. It must be the latest line, as the
word appears in
> almost every clambot post.
Yes. You can see what the latest "lines" are by watching the OSA
bots. These lines are determined by doing very complete surveys of
ARS posts and finding out the critics "buttons".
During the eval, thousands of posts are culled and surveyed to find
out what the critics "react to".
For instance, it is obvious that OSA thinks that the critics have a
button on being called a "bigot" because the word bigot was being used
in almost every OSA post a few weeks ago. OSA sees that using the
word bigot gets a big reaction so they decide to push it and use it
over and over.
Lately, they have been going in for the "hate mongers" button and with
the resent Hensen debacle, they are pushing the "criminal" button.
>
> My true feelings about a commited $cientologist are a combination of
pity and
> compassion. To have that labeled "hate" is a gross insult, but I
endure that
> because I know they cannot help themselves. Like an animal trained
to fight,
> they only do what they have been manipulated into doing. If anyone
has hatred
> in their hearts, it is the $cientologists who ruthlessly attack and
DA people
> here and elsewhere, whenever someone dares speak out against them.
Exactly. The OSA bots do in fact hate you. You are trying to destroy
man's only road to freedom per them. However, they will deny this.
>
> Thank you for sharing what you can with us. I have met Tory, the
Barneses, and
> many other former $cientologists, I think they are wonderful people,
and I hope
> to be able to meet many more FORMER members soon. They are all
proof that there
> is life after $cientology and its mind control, and it is far better
than you
> ever imagined.
You welcome, someday, I hope to meet all of you here as well.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
"barb" <bwa...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3AEB5D7A...@home.com...
> cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>
> So whaddaya get for all these useful 'points?' Group approval? A
free
> pack of Kools? Can you redeem them for gifts? Or are they as
meaningless
> as Dennis Clarke's "President Emeritus" title, or the phony ranks in
the
> Sea Org?
>
> Welcome to ARS, Cerridwen! Buckle up, it's an E ticket ride for one
of
> your history! Freedom has been within your reach all along, I hope
you
> quickly adapt and begin to enjoy it!
I know what you don't get. You don't get your ass reamed for being a
downstat and you don't get an invite to the RPF. Stats are not
meanless to staff members. They mean a lot. They live and die by the
stats. Ask any ex staff member here. The pressure exerted to get
stats up is sometimes unbearable.
Thanks Barb, I have my DC 10 seat belt buckled. It may turned into a
bumpy ride.
Cerridwen
cerr...@freedom.net
"Ixbalam" <jaguar...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:jaguarNOSPAM-C57B...@news2.lightlink.com...
> In article <tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com>,
cerr...@freedom.net
> wrote:
>
> > I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I
have
> > instead, decided to speak out.
>
> Good! Welcome!
Thanks
>
< a little snipping here of my previous post>
> >
> > The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much
> > worse that usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order
for
> > everyone to star rate and clay demo the policy on Fair Game and
> > handling attacks and then let the OSA posters go to town. This
may
> > also be the result of some of the OSA posters going a bit "PTS"
and
> > it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at cause" then
this
> > would handle their PTSness.
>
> How do you clay demo Fair Game? Make little clay figures of
> Scientologists attacking critics with hammers?
You got the right idea.
Sounds scary to me.
> You're not kidding about them being unusually antagonistic.
Some of
> the posts I've read this week were pactically dripping venom. To me
if
> some of them got a bit PTS, that's a good sign that morale may be
> breaking down and they're getting a clue about what's really going
on.
> These people have to read at least a little of what is posted here
any
> starting to get an idea what's really going on. That means we're
all
> doing our jobs and earning our Mintonbux . =^.^=
Absolutely.
I answered this a bit earlier on the thread. But to expand on this a
bit, OSA doesn't care why you stop posting. They just want you to
stop posting. When a critic dies as in the case of Joe Harrington,
OSA is very happy. One less critic is fine with them. I know this
is hard to believe but OSA is down right ecstatic about the death of a
critic. I am not positive, but I believe they remained rather
silent about Joe Harringtons death. I could have missed a post but I
don't believe they made comment one way or another. While they are
stupid enough to post something degrading Joe at the time of his
death, someone with an ounce of common sense probably forbade it.
>
> > Minus points
> >
> > -5 for degrading posts about LRH -10 for degrading posts about DM
(
> > Davey is now more important than LRH) - 5 for degrading posts
about
> > the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu. -25 for a newly posting
> > critic
>
> Wow! How do they count these? Do degrading posts only on a
thread
> started by a shill/bot count toward his/her stat or are the
negatives
> distributed in some way?
> It's funny how posts degrading DM count for twice what a post
> degrading LRH and the tech do, isn't it? *G* You clambots can pass
my
> reards on to poodleboy.
See earlier posts on this thread. What you have to understand is DM
is now the man. Not to long ago, when a Scientologist would get a sec
check one of the questions would be " Do you have any evil thoughts
about LRH? Now the sec checks include questions about evil thoughts
about Davey. A few years ago, at major events, Davey would come out
on to the stage and be welcomed with a standing ovation. Davey would
cut these standing ovations short with the view that that much
admiration should only go to LRH. Now Davey stands there and lets the
crowd cheer on and on and on and on and the acknowledgment towards LRH
has been ever so slowly decreasing and ever so slowly increasing
toward Davey. This is something I have observed over the years. But
nothing I could ever discuss with other Scientologists.
Why do you think they went after Hens with such fury. Henson was
bothering Davey!!!!
It is a flap overtime Davey is mentioned in a negative way.
>
> Thank you very much for posting this.
>
> > Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you
can
> > see how the game works. I am also quite sure that some of the
> > critics can have lots of fun with these stats and dream up some
> > really good ones.
>
> +15 for a critic mentioning attack eagles or Tom Cruise
missiles?
:->
No only MINUS 5 because you didn't say his name. ;->
>
> > If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your
last
> > dime that you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination
of
> > all the OSA posters stats put together because he is the I/C (in
> > charge). If stats are down and they want to get them up, they
just
> > post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
> >
> > Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they
figure
> > how many posts have to be made to get the stats up.
> >
> > Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych
posts.
>
> I damn well don't. I know they're just trolling for responses.
The
> Wednesday-Thursday stats push is pretty noticeable so that's no
secret.
Let me personally thank you for that. I have the antipsych posters in
my killfile and every time a critic responds to them I end up seeing
them.
>
> > I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think
it
> > is very important that their lies and deceit be made known to
people
> > lurking here. I think that one good slam deserves another and I
> > intend on answering a few of their posts myself. But I also want
> > you to know what kind of game they are playing with some of these
> > posts.
>
> It's not hard to guess that they're playing a game like that.
How
> they get their sacred stat for posting and getting responses has
been an
> unknown but it wouldn't be too hard to guess that the stat is
applied
> toward encouraging fewer degrading posts and more volume of
responses
> here.
Exactly
>
> > Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence,
> > which in Scientology speak is very good.
> >
> > Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we
> > crash their stats!
>
> Hehehe! While I don't want to see anyone suffer as the result
of my
> own activities here, nothing is going to get any better while
they're
> jamming the newsgroup with crap to get their stats up.
>
> Thank you for posting and take care.
Same to you.
cerr...@freedom.net
"arnie lerma" <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:3aeb2a01...@news.bellatlantic.net...
> On 28 Apr 2001 20:13:38 GMT, jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I think they have another one
>
> 250 points for antagonizing a critic into posting something we can
> the show to a court, out of context, and call it HATE speech - thats
> what their antagonistic rants are designed for.
Hi Arnie, I agree with you. 250 points and a commendation chit
went to the OSA bot that figured out a way to to destroy Henson and
his family. How disgusting. The only real win out of something like
this is that it opened my eyes and the eyes of other Scientologists
who got to read about it on ARS.
LaserClam
> A few years ago, at major events, Davey would come out
>on to the stage and be welcomed with a standing ovation. Davey would
>cut these standing ovations short with the view that that much
>admiration should only go to LRH. Now Davey stands there and lets the
>crowd cheer on and on and on and on and the acknowledgment towards LRH
>has been ever so slowly decreasing and ever so slowly increasing
>toward Davey. This is something I have observed over the years.
It could be that he didn`t want to
create an ARCX of in inhibited affinity.
cerr...@freedom.net
>
>In article<tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com>,
>cerr...@freedom.net writes:
>>
>> When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by
OSA,
>> I will tell you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like
to
>> contribute to ARS in ways that will help others see the truth about
>> the C of S.
>
> length a bit (don't worry, I can re-format if the content
> is interesting, though I'd rather I didn't need to).
I think I got it handled. It looks like the formatting is coming out
correctly now.
>
>
>
>> I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here.
>> Many of you already know this data, but it may be new to others.
>> The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on
>> what to say and write.
>>
>> I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done
>> and a new program issued.
>
> Lots of questions occur. Gavino Idda's team: how many people,
> of what seniority, do you have names for them.... how long do
> people serve on that team? How are persons assigned to accounts,
> are some accounts always the same person or are all used in rota.
> Do accounts have "sub-hats" (roles, valences), or do persons, or
both;
> are they assigned to attack specific people, or to be the
"reasonable"
> one, or whatever?
Sorry Dave, I can't help you here.
>
> Is this team considered important?? I mean that some people say
> Mandible is Kendrick "KentuckyFried Children" Moxon but, if I were
> in charge, I wouldn't waste a member of the legal team on minor
work.
> When you talk about "evals, programs, and orders" could you give
> some idea or a rough imitation of what will be in them. Presumably
> OSA evaluates the situation in respect of ARS, and assigns who to
> attack or what "lines" to advance. More about this, please.....
Please see other posts in this thread were I explained about the
evals. Evals are a standard action in Scientology. It is applying
the tech of the Data Series to improve an existing scene and bring it
closer to an ideal scene. What is the C of S's ideal scene?. No ARS
of course. Or maybe only Scientologists in good standing posting to
it. I would imagine the ideal scene would be similar to what they did
with CAN. Take it over. The eval is done to figure out why they
are not getting closer to the ideal scene and then taking steps to
improve it. Of course their ideal scene is completely unreal and
unattainable, but then that would be considered "counter intention"
and wog think on my part.
This particular OSA team is very important. The internet is a major
thorn in their ass. They are expending incredible resources not
necessarily to post here, but to investigate and try to quiet the
critics.
>
>
>
>>
>>The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much
>>worse that ( <- sic ) usual. It appears that Davey may have issued
>>an order for everyone to star rate and clay demo the policy on Fair
>>Game and handling attacks and then let the OSA posters go to town.
>>This may also be the result of some of the OSA posters going a bit
>>"PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
>>cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
>>
>>We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
>>night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time. Well here, IMHO, is why. The
OSA
>>posters each have a Stat. The stats work something like this.
>
>
>
> OK, let's look at these stats.......
>
>>5 point for a an anti psych post
>>5 points for a post that slams the critics
>>5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in. Definition
>>of line is something that the C of S is pushing i.e. Minton is a
>>criminal, Minton is a psych case, psychs are criminals etc.
>>10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he
>>got over 100 responses to his thread)
>>
>>Bonus Points
>>
>>100 points for outing a critic
>>100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
>>500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>>
>>Minus points
>>
>>-5 for degrading posts about LRH
>>-10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than
LRH)
>>- 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word
Xenu.
>>-25 for a newly posting critic
>
> So..... we can't stop them putting their points. We could alter
> the subject line to curve it back against them. "Don't reply"
> is good advice, except sometimes it is useful and convenient to.
> MOST OF ALL don't fight among yourselves, or get driven off.
> We can't easily recruit new critics at will; but we can always
> turn articles to the subject of publicly buggering the Dopy Midget
> with a NOTS pack, or shoving a bronze bust of Hubbard up his most
> prominent feature, or mention the name XEMU Xemu Xemu a few times.
You and the rest of the critics can do what ever they like. This is
what is so nice about not being under the control of Scientology. You
can post all you want to whomever you want. I was just trying to give
a heads up here on what OSA's game plan is.
>
> QUESTION: do they get no points for a follow-up if it also
> has penalty points? Do standard pictures of Phatso auditing
> a tomato or joining the Tellytubbies get points every time??
Again, see earlier posts about stats. Stat directives change from
time to time. I do not know exactly how they calculate them. But
every degrading post counts.
>
>
>
>>Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you
>>can see how the game works. I am also quite sure that some of the
>>critics can have lots of fun with these stats and dream up some
>>really good ones.
>>If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your
>>last dime that you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a
>>combination of all the OSA posters stats put together because
>>he is the I/C (in charge). If stats are down and they want to
>>get them up, they just post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
>
> So if we wanted to mess them up, a barrage of spam could be met
> by a barrage of midget-buggering articles or the like.
LOL yes I suppose but keep in mind that your fellow ARS readers would
have to shift through all the return garbage.
>
>
>
>>
>>Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they
>>figure how many posts have to be made to get the stats up.
>>
>>Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
>
> Well, I don't: moi non plus.
And I personally appreciate this.
>
>
>>I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think
>>it is very important that their lies and deceit be made known to
>>people lurking here. I think that one good slam deserves another
>>and I intend on answering a few of their posts myself. But I also
>>want you to know what kind of game they are playing with some of
>>these posts.
>
> OK. So it's a good idea to see that ONE person has answered
> their nonsense thoroughly, then go on to make a new posting
> which takes the mickey out of Hubbub or the Oat Tea nonsense.
I don't know. I personally think that ignoring the Anti psych stuff
would be a great idea. But that's just me. I don't think OSA should
be allowed to post their lies and snippy come backs with their lines
without being called to task about it.
>
>
>
>> Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence,
>
> So they think they're getting a few 100 pointers... fighting
> among ourselves, critics being outed (by definition that can't
> keep up forever), critics closing down.
>
> Didn't they get creamed for brining all those new people
> from SlashDot?? --25 is not enough of a deduction, by me !!!!
Sorry, I don't make the rules.
Nice talking to you Dave
arnie lerma
>In article <8kfdcOG2...@xemu.demon.co.uk>, Dave says...
>>
>>In article<tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com>,
>>cerr...@freedom.net writes:
>>>
feel free to give me a call tommarro
I really started moving on the bridge out of a scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html
in 1994...
I'm going to finish what i started...
Arnie Lerma
confidentiaity gaurateed
PS: Screw you moxon
>Nice talking to you Dave
>
>Cerridwen
>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net
>
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
roger gonnet
I dunno if your stats sheet for OSA are true or not, bu_t they look so.
Could you post the scan on abs?
roger
<cerr...@freedom.net> a écrit dans le message :
tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com...
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
> instead,
> decided to speak out.
>
> I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
> to post
> my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by OSA, I
will
> tell
> you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to contribute to ARS
> in
> ways that will help others see the truth about the C of S.
>
> I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here. Many of
you
> already know this data, but it may be new to others.
>
> The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on what to
say
> and
> write.
>
> I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done and a new
> program issued.
>
> The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much worse
that
> usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order for everyone to
star
> rate and
> clay demo the policy on Fair Game and handling attacks and then let the
OSA
> posters go to town. This may also be the result of some of the OSA
posters
> going a bit "PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
> cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
>
> We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
> night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time.
>
> Well here, imho, is why. The OSA posters each have a Stat. The stats
work
> something like this.
>
>
> 5 point for a an anti psych post
> 5 points for a post that slams the critics
> 5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in. Definition of line
is
> something
> that the C of S is pushing i.e. Minton is a criminal, Minton is a psych
> case, psychs
> are criminals etc.
>
> 10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he got
over
> 100
> responses to his thread)
>
> Bonus Points
>
> 100 points for outing a critic
> 100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
> 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
>
>
>
> Minus points
>
> -5 for degrading posts about LRH
> -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
> - 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
> -25 for a newly posting critic
>
>
> Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you can see
how
> the
> game works. I am also quite sure that some of the critics can have lots
of
> fun with
> these stats and dream up some really good ones.
>
> If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your last dime
> that
> you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination of all the OSA
> posters stats put
> together because he is the I/C (in charge). If stats are down and they
> want to get
> them up, they just post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
>
> Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they figure how
> many
> posts have to be made to get the stats up.
>
> Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
>
> I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think it is
very
> important that their lies and deceit be made known to people lurking here.
> I think
> that one good slam deserves another and I intend on answering a few of
their
> posts
> myself. But I also want you to know what kind of game they are playing
> with
> some of these posts.
>
> Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence, which in
> Scientology speak is very good.
>
> Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
> their stats!
>
> Cerridwen
>
>
>
> .
Pekka
Happy holidays :-)
(At least in Finland May Day is leisure time)
Pekka
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Michael Reuss
Hi Cerridwen, welcome to a.r.s.
I'm glad you blew, and that you're not going to let yourself be cowed
into silence by a group that really knows how to push people's
buttons.
I've reformatted your message below, to eliminate some bad line
wrapping. Please set your max line-length in your newsreader to around
70 characters, if you can.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Original message:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bonus Points
Minus points
Cerridwen
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
lame...@cotse.com
(Was: Another Scientologist leaves)
>I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
>to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
Yes and for very good reasons.
You are one of the trolls who always shows up here with a phony canned story
about Scientology every time more bad news breaks about LMT or LMT associates.
For instance this week in addition to the Henson conviction for a hate crime
against Scientology Bob's court sanctions pushed up past three hundred thousand
dollars and Stacy has been compelled by the courts to answer the very touchy LMT
finance questions that she has been dodging for months.
Chris Sutor
: This could be considered a stat push. You already got points earlier
: on this thread. Don't be piggy. OK -15 but watch it.
Cheers, dude. But there was a question asked of me, so I chose to clarify.
>;)
: ________________________________________________________________________
: Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net
ptsc
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 04:54:24 -0400, lame...@cotse.com wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:16:35 -0400, cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>>I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
>>to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>Yes and for very good reasons.
Another stupid cult moron writes an "I'm still a brainwashed moron" story
and
then signs it lamedick.
ptsc
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The Great Suprendo
>: Would that be the bigamist, the main convicted of fraud and issued with
>: a five year jail term in his absence on France ? The "I'm drunking lots
>: of rum and popping lots of pinks and greys" drug-ridden drunkard ? The
>: second-rate science-fiction writer ? The discredited mental case ?
>
>Yeah, that's the nut-job. Jeez, the more I hear about him, the more he
>reminds me of Arnold Rimmer (for you Red Dwarf fans)...
Smoke me a kipper!
Tommy
>
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
> instead,
> decided to speak out.
Welcome back to the world.
Tory will get you a cream soda, and I'll pull a chair up for you.
>
> I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
> to post
> my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by OSA, I will
> tell
> you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to contribute to ARS
> in
> ways that will help others see the truth about the C of S.
>
> I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here. Many of you
> already know this data, but it may be new to others.
>
> The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on what to say
> and
> write.
Did you bring any documentation with you?
If so, you'll find several volunteers ready to scan it and post it for
you.
>
> I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done and a new
> program issued.
>
> The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much worse that
> usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order for everyone to star
> rate and
> clay demo the policy on Fair Game and handling attacks and then let the OSA
> posters go to town. This may also be the result of some of the OSA posters
> going a bit "PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
> cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
They'll flame out and quit. They always do. Critics are posting here
because they want to.
OSA droids are posting here because it's their job. Guess which
motivation is stronger?
>
> We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
> night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time.
>
> Well here, imho, is why. The OSA posters each have a Stat. The stats work
> something like this.
>
> 5 point for a an anti psych post
> 5 points for a post that slams the critics
> 5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in. Definition of line is
> something
> that the C of S is pushing i.e. Minton is a criminal, Minton is a psych
> case, psychs
> are criminals etc.
>
> 10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he got over
> 100
> responses to his thread)
Only in Co$ would someone claim getting trounced and humiliated in a
public forum as a "big win".
>
> Bonus Points
>
> 100 points for outing a critic
How many for outing Gavino Idda? Did he have to create a special stat
for each time his name gets mentioned here? And what kind of stat will
*he* get if he gets indicted/conficted under the denial of service
statutes?
> 100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
> 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
> Minus points
>
> -5 for degrading posts about LRH
> -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
> - 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
> -25 for a newly posting critic
>
So it's minus fives and tens for crtics and plus hundreds for OSA bots?
Well, every day must just be a rainbow day for OSA Inet Mon team!
> Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you can see how
> the
> game works. I am also quite sure that some of the critics can have lots of
> fun with
> these stats and dream up some really good ones.
>
> If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your last dime
> that
> you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination of all the OSA
> posters stats put
> together because he is the I/C (in charge). If stats are down and they
> want to get
> them up, they just post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
>
> Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they figure how
> many
> posts have to be made to get the stats up.
>
> Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
>
> I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think it is very
> important that their lies and deceit be made known to people lurking here.
> I think
> that one good slam deserves another and I intend on answering a few of their
> posts
> myself. But I also want you to know what kind of game they are playing
> with
> some of these posts.
I don't really give a tinker's damn about their number games. I suppose
a vindictive person could make a case for crashing their stats just to
get them harassed, RPF'ed and otherwise abused, but I'm not really a
vindictive person.
>
> Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence, which in
> Scientology speak is very good.
Well, if every "fuck the skull of hubbard" and "*" is included, I'd say
they are approaching Treason.
Imagine the scramble for orders on how to "handle" you!
How many minus points they are getting for being outed? About four have
been outed in the last two months, IIRC.
>
> Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
> their stats!
>
> Cerridwen
>
Thank you for your post. This is one of the best introduction posts from
an ex-$cn I have seen yet (and I've seen quite a few). I believe most
crtics here are very interested in the OSA Inet Monitoring team's
behind-the-scenes trials and tribulations. Please post more on this, if
you're willing to.
Tommy
p.s.:
This response, since it includes your post, references to hubbard, (*),
and Gavino (might as well throw in Xenu for good measure) automatically
generated -45 points.
--
Church of $cientology's "ecclesiastical leader" David Miscavige on the
death of Lisa McPherson, a church member locked up until she died:
"At the time I don't think it was really thought to be that
significant an issue. She died. People die."
The Great Suprendo
>.
>> Welcome back to the real world!
>
>Thanks Mike, it really is a nice place after all.
Are you in the US ? Once you're ready, you might want to talk to other
ex-Scientologists who will certainly be willing to help you pull your
way out of the cult. The Lisa McPherson Trust (http://www.lisatrust.net)
seems to be acting as something of a connectiing up point for ex-Scns
these days.
Birgitta
wrote:
>cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>>
>> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
>> instead,
>> decided to speak out.
(snipped)
>> Bonus Points
>>
>> 100 points for outing a critic
> 100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
>> 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>>
I guess it pays off best with a dead critic ....
Does it count as minus it I paste Joe's essay about Hubbard's views
on Christianity ?
Bid
Hubbard's views on Christianity
For the last several weeks, Scientology's Office of Special
Affairs has flooded alt.religion.scientology with endorsements
from purported religious scholars from various denominations who
offered their opinions that Scientology is a religion, and not in
conflict with mainstream religions. As the testimonials are
unsigned and undated, and most of the authors are unheard of; it
is difficult, if not impossible, to authenticate these
statements.
Any group that hold religious beliefs and practices can call
themselve a "religion". Jim and Tammy Baker's PTL Club was a
"religious practice", as was "Reverend" Jim Jones and his
People's Temple. In the case of the latter, Jim Jones also had
many testimonials from governmnent officials at the local, state,
and federal levels, and "Tax-Exempt, Tax deductible" status from
the IRS. The government even sent welfare and social security
checks directly to the People Temple account.
It is not the role of any government agency to evaluate the
merits of any organization's religious beliefs and practices.
Hubbard's decision to operate under the cloak of "religion" was
motivated by his desire to avoid income taxes and the scrutiny of
the medical and mental health community.
New Church members are told that Scientology's policy is to
"Change no man's religion" and they are assured that Scientology
doctrine does not conflict with any other religions, and indeed
it is consistent and supportive of ALL religions, past and present.
The Church asserts that Hubbard's writings constitute their
"Sacred Scriptures" and they are unmutatable. They have
registered Hubbard's writings as "copyrighted" and some of their
"religious practices" as "trade secrets".
Hubbard's deep-rooted bigotry and cynicism toward Christianity
permeates all of his writings. Fewer than 2% of Church members
have any formal technical training in Scientology and have never
read Hubbard's views on Christianity. It is doubtful if the
religious scholars mentioned in the OSA propaganda articles had
more than a cursory view of the public-relations oriented
articles that the Church has published in order maintain the sham
of Scientology's religious tolerance.
Unverifiable claims from religious "authorities" are
meaningless and Scientology's claim of toleration and
non-conflict with other religions can only be determined by an
analysis of Hubbard's writing. This essay was prepared for that
purpose, and in defense of the value of Christian Ethics and
exposure of the underlying mean-spiritness of the Hubbardian
dogmas.
Scientology's constant refrain that they are victims of "Hate
Crimes" and "Religious Bigotry" should be evaluated in the light
of the "Sacred Scriptures" of their Chief High Priest and
Founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
Belief or Non-Belief in a Supreme or a Supreme Being can be a
part of any religion. Scientology is essentially atheistic.
Hubbard claimed that the creation of the physical universe was a
joint venture by a group of "thetans" (spirits) who are now the
victims of amnesia, enforced on them at the hands of hostile
groups who obliterated their memories with electronic
mind-control and encapsulated their consciousness in a body.
In the Hubbardian cosmology, modern-day psychiatrists and
medical doctors were the ancient nemesis who invaded galaxies and
planets and enslaved the populaces. They, (the "Psychs")
introduced religious concepts and symbols and incorporated them
into their electronic mind-control techniques. The Church invests
a substantial amount of manpower and finances into their Holy War
to expose and exterminate Hubbard's ancient enemies.
In the 1950's, Hubbard wrote a series of newsletter about his
technical "discoveries" and called them PABS (Professional
Auditor Bulletins). In PAB 31 Hubbard writes:
"Religion does much to keep the assumption in restimulation,
being basically a control mechanism used by those who have
sent the preclear into a body. You will find the cross as a
symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as
implant in preclears a million years ago."
In the same article, Hubbard's infers that Jesus Christ was an
agent of a mind-control organization that was imported to Earth:
"A few operating thetans -scarcity- could lead to trouble.
Witness the chaos resulting from the activities and other
determinism technology of one operating thetan, 2,000 years ago.
It is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man he
must repent, that he is evil. Those who talk most about peace on
earth and good-will among men themselves carry forward the seas
of unrest, war and chaos."
Hubbard implied that he was Guatama Siddharta, the founder of
Buddhism. In "Hymn of Asia" he stated that he addressed the
Buddhist Congress in London in 1955 and inferred he was the
future Buddha that was predicted in the Pali Canon. In Certainty
magazine, Vol.5, No. 10, he implies of his achievements as the
Buddha, and positions himself as a contender with Jesus Christ.
"Two and a half thousand years ago a handful of clears
civilized half a billion people. What if we were all clear.
Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the
evidence. They were just a shade above clear."
In HCO bulletin of 18 July 1959 Hubbard wrote as a "Historical
Note",
"The whole christian movement is based on the victim.
Compulsion of the overt-motivator sequence. They won by appealing
to victims. We can win by converting victims. Christianity
succeeded by making people into victims. We can succeed by making
victims into people."
Hubbard's criticism of Christian confessionals is utter
hypocriscy, in view of his organization's policy of leaking the
contents of confessionals and transgressions culled from the
confidential records of dissident present and former church
members. In HCO bulletin 21 Jan 1960 he writes,
"Some Churches used a mechanism of confession. This was a
limited effort to relieve a person of the pressure of his overt
acts. Later the mechanism of confession was employed as a kind of
blackmail by which increased contribution could be obtained from
the person confessing."
Hubbard continued his "research" on the insidious genesis of
Christianity and in the "Heaven" bulletin of 11 May 1963 he
released his latest "objective" findings which were:
"Based on over a thousand hours of research auditing, analyzing
the facsimiles of the reactive mind, and with the help of a Mark
V Electrometer. It is scientific research and is not in any way
based upon the mere opinion of the researcher...The contents of
this HCO bulletin discover the apparent underlying impulses of
religious zealotism and the source of the religious mania which
terrorized Earth over the ages and has given religion the
appearance of insanity."
In his much touted 1950 book, "Dianetics, the Modern Science
of Mental Health", Hubbard asserted that "engrams" were the root
cause of ALL human abberations and psychosomatic illnesses. With
his news discoveries of what transpired in Heaven, Hubbard
offered a new cause of the human dilemma.
"The Goals-Problems-Mass (GPM) implants, which are the
apparent basic source of abberation and human travail, which
began with the goal to Forget, were cynically done `in Heaven'.
Hubbard dismissed the concerns of some members about his
disparagement and cyncism about other religions,
" For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my
lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and
Christ. I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but
there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now
I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel
betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who,
like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants - if a
bit more so. The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt
indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed."
Hubbard describes the incident as occuring 43+ trillion years
ago. The stunned thetan was placed in a doll body and transported
to Heaven in a ship. Over a period of one trillion years, the
thetan was giving a series of electronic implants, containing the
phrases To Forget, To Remember, To Go Away.
Hubbard described the terrain of Heaven,
"The gates of the first series are well done, well built. An
avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The gate pillars are
surmounted by marble angels. The entering grounds are very well
kept, laid out like Bush Gardens in Pasadena, so often seen in the
movies. Aside from the implant boxes which lie across from each
other on the walk there are other noises and sounds as though the
saints are defending and berating."
"The second series, probably in the same place, shows what a
trillion years of overt acts does (or is an additional trick to
collapse one's time). The place is shabby. The vegetation is
gone. The pillars are scruffy. The saints have vanished. So have
the angels. A sign on one (the left as you enter) says `This is
Heaven'. The right has a sign "Hell" with an arrow and inside
the grounds one can see the excavations like archaeological
diggings with the raw terraces, that lead to "Hell". Plain wire
fencing encloses the place. There is a sentry box beside and
outside the right pillar. The roadway `leading up' to the gates
is deeply eroded. An effigy of Joseph, complete with desert
clothing is seen approaching the gates (but not moving) leading
a donkey which `carries' the original Madonna and child from
`Bethlehem'. The implanting boxes lie on either side of this
`entering' path at path level."
Hubbard concluded:
"Further, we have our hands on an appalling bit of technology
where the world is concerned. With rapidity and a Meter it can be
shown that Heaven is a false dream and that the old religion was
based on very a painful lie, cynical betrayal."
Hubbard was living in England at the time and his
"breakthrough" was considered of major significance. His
discovery of Heaven inspired the "poet laureate" of Scientology ,
Julian Cooper, to write:
"They that worship Jesus nailed upon a cross above an altar,
While an old priest chants....
Do they know what they worship?
Do they know why they worship?
Can they recognize what they worship?
Bondage of unconfronted facsimiles implanted so as to control
and invalidate, is what they worship."
Hubbard abandoned Dianetics as the solution to an Un-Clear world
after his discovery of the Heaven incident and the nature of the
Goals-Problems-Mass implant. He spent the next five years
"researching" the pattern of the implants and in 1967-68 he made
another series of "discoveries" which are now know as "OT2" and
"OT3". Hubbard wrote voluminous notes on the command phrases
contained in the GPM implants, which he claimed were universal in
nature. Church members undergoing initiation on these levels are
required to mentally repeat these phrases until their effects are
nullified.
Hubbard's "major" breakthrough in this period was his discovery
that human bodies are actually the result of the melding of
thetans during a psychiatrically-inspired implant 76 million
years ago. Hubbard wrote that a galactic despot, Xenu, rounded up
the population of 76 planets in this sector of the galaxy and
transported them to Earth, placed them in volcanoes, and exploded
H-bombs, then subjected them to 36 days of electronic implanting,
including the "Christianity" and "Heaven" implant. This incident
created "Body Thetans" (BT/s), beings who were attached to other
beings or human beings. They monitor one's thought and impede
one's life. Hubbard developed a technique for exorcizing these
Body Thetans.
In 1978 Hubbard made another "Breakthrough!" which he called
NOTS (New-Era Dianetics for OTs). Hubbard developed new
techniques for dealing with BTs who were comatose or did not
respond to his 1968 exorcizing techniques. Hubbard claimed that a
human body was actually a mass of BTs who were comatose and
diseases were simply BTs who were acting against the person.
Hubbard claimed that eradicating these BTs from on or near the
body would result in the creation of a Supra-Human, an Operating
Thetan, capable of telepathic and telekinetic powers, without the
need for a human body.
Following the government raids of Hubbard's Secret Intelligence
offices; he went into hiding, never publically to be seen again.
In May 1980 he wrote the OT VIII, Confidential, Student
Briefing bulletin wherein he summarized his ancient role in the
never-ending fight against the psychiatric implanters. He writes:
"With the exception of the original Buddhism, virtually all
religions of any consequence on this planet, mono- and
pantheistic alike, have been instruments to speed the progress of
the "evolution of consciousness" and bring about the eventual
enslavement of mankind."
Hubbard re-states his claim of his prior existence as the Buddha
and remarks about Christ and Christianity:
"for those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on,
let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths.
For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted
figure he has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover
of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of
temper and hatred that belied the general message of love,
understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look
at the history his teachings have inspired to see where it all
inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to
the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biological implanting."
It should be pointed out that some present and former church
members have disputed the authenticity of this bulletin and
claimed that it was a "forgery" written to "embarass" the church.
Church officials have remained silent about it. The authenticity
of the statements should be evaluated in the light of Hubbard's
previous statements about the subject matter. His defamatory
remarks about people's sexual habits are part of a long pattern
in his dealings with people he considered his "enemies".
This document was identified by a senior Church lawyer as a copyright
infringement when it was found on the hard drive of a former church
member, Arnie Lerma, whose private residence was raided, pursuant to
an
exparte writ of civil seizure which the Church of Scientology obtained
in a federal court. After realizing the negative publicity this
document
would have if it were made a part of the court record, they reversed
their claim of ownership.
Church members, staff and public, who have been exposed to
Hubbard's "Upper Levels" writings are required to sign
non-disclosure agreements for the rest of their lifes, in or
outside of the Church. The Church has registered Hubbard's Upper
Level exorcism techniques as its "trade secrets".
The Church agressively attacks former members who discuss
Hubbard's techniques. In statements made to the media after a
former Church minister; Dennis Erlich, posted essays critical of
Hubbard's doctrines; Karin Pouw, Church of Scientology
International Public Relations Director said: "He deliberately
defiled them in the computer, equivalent of desecrating a House of
Worship with offensive graffiti."
On 13 Feb 1995, the Church obtained a writ of seizure from a
Federal Court and seized files and computer disks from Erlich's
residence, alleging Erlich had "infringed" on their copyrights
and violated the terms of the non-disclosure of trade secrets
agreement that he executed when he was a church member in 1978.
Commenting to the media after the raid, Warren L. McShane,
president of the Religious Technology Center, the Keeper of
Hubbard's copyrights and trade secrets, reiterated the necessity
of keeping Hubbard's techniques away from the minds of the
uninitiated:
"McShane said the church had every right to agressively protect
its text. And, he said, certain advanced texts could "do harm" if
studied by people not yet deemed ready for them by church
officials. `It's like jumping in an 18-wheeler and not knowing how
to drive," McShane said, adding, "Spiritually, a person has to be
ready for it."
Joe Harrington
Starshadow
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<cerr...@freedom.net> wrote in message
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Jumping in late as I missed your first posts, but welcome to the
Wog World, Cerridwen (good nym, She's one kick-ass Goddess, ya know)
and I hope they don't out you before you are ready to be outed.
Interesting about the stats thing. Who knew that if I mentioned the
dead fat fraud Hubbard who made a business out of "religion" that I
would contribute to crashing some OSAbot's stats?
Poor things. One day they'll get out in the Real World and discover
all that fuss was for less than nothing, and that far from
contributing to the freedom of the planet, they were contributing
only to abuse of people like them and people outside their cult who
were fighting for THEIR freedom.
There will be a lot of people needing major psychiatric counselling
when that happens, at the very least.
I hope they'll avail themselves of it, or at least some sort of
counseling.
- --
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP4, Official Wiccan Chaplain ARSCC(wdne)
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barb
True, stats are not meaningless within the ritual collective story. This
is a frequently used tactic by all coercive cults. An interesting book
I've been reading suggests that there are strong parallels between
mental conditioning of a human being, and training an animal. In both
cases, the individual person or animal is first reduced to a childlike
dependency and then rebuilt in whatever form is required. Part of this
is the reward/punishment mechanism, i.e. stats, RPF, and on the
positive, public approval and recognition within the group, or the
kennel and the doggie biscuit.
A public may not be quite so dependent as a staff or SO member
physically, but emotionally the same tactics come into play. Often
times, higher people on the chain are given bogus and important sounding
titles to reinforce their authority within the group. "Dr." Paloma, for
example, claims a doctorate but offers no proof that he's actually
earned one. In the Wog World, such claims are dismissed with disdain and
ridicule, which is why coercive group members often insulate themselves
from the outside world. They gradually wind up associating only with
others who share their ritualized collective story, any disagreement
threatens their ego and sense of self-being even though the story may be
completely false; they have too much invested in it to explore the
possibility that the shared reality is fallacious.
I've also read that it takes much longer for Scientologists to recover
from mental conditioning than members of other coercive groups. This
doesn't reflect on the Scientologist's intelligence, but rather the
effectiveness of this dangerous process. I'm glad you made it through
the tough-skinned bubble of alternate reality imposed by this group, and
happy that you intend to fight it. All too often, escapees simply want
to forget, and put it behind them, which is fine too, but
ex-Scientologists have a valuable insight into the workings of
Scientology which can help others wishing to escape.
Again, welcome! Shall we see you dancing with Tory?
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Scientology:
Do you want to save the world?
Then eat this booger.
--Hud Nordin
barb
A while ago someone, I think it was Beverly Rice, posted something about
a $1000 reward for anyone who could get a critic jailed. Do you know
anything about that? She'd read it in some Scn material that she later
discarded.
Keith Henson
>I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
>instead, decided to speak out.
Excellent! Welcome to the frey.
>I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
>to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>When the day finally arrives that I out myself or I am outed by OSA, I will
>tell you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to contribute to ARS
>in ways that will help others see the truth about the C of S.
Ohhhh. These stories are always amazing. Some are just incredible,
like Tory's which outted the Gavino Idda and the whole Spam/forgery
attack on this news group.
>I would like to give you my opinion about the OSA posters here. Many of you
>already know this data, but it may be new to others.
>
>The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on what to say
>and write.
I kind of wonder if you have outted yourself. Can't be a heck of a
lot of people with this kind of internal knowledge.
>I can tell by the recent OSA posting that a new "eval" was done and a new
>program issued.
>
>The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much worse that
>usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order for everyone to star
>rate and clay demo the policy on Fair Game and handling attacks and then let the OSA
>posters go to town. This may also be the result of some of the OSA posters
>going a bit "PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
>cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
LOL! Well, there is *no* question you know what you are talking
about. This is true Hubbard/OSA inspired mad jargon.
>We've all seen the OSA posters "stat push" with posts on Wednesday
>night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time.
snip rest, thanks very much for the formula.
Keith Henson
Keith Henson
snip
>Why do you think they went after Hens with such fury. Henson was
>bothering Davey!!!!
I don't doubt it. He could look down from his mansion and see me on
the road, clearly "unhandled." And the program worked out even better
than anyone at the central committee thought it would. They have
burned all the political capital they worked up in Riverside County
for the last ten years in coercing the DA's office to go after me.
>It is a flap overtime Davey is mentioned in a negative way.
Heh, wait till we get the court transcripts where Hoden identifies (*)
as the symbol for Davey. I don't think it got me points with the
jury, but they eventually figured out the asterisk was his pucker.
Keith Henson
cerr...@freedom.net
<lame...@cotse.com> wrote in message
news:988534464.3...@packetderm.cotse.com...
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:16:35 -0400, cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>
> (Was: Another Scientologist leaves)
>
> >I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a
position
> >to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> Yes and for very good reasons.
Yes lameduck, (why would you pick such a nerdy name?) I have excellent
reasons, one of which is that I currently don't need your invest
branch harassing me.
You see lameduck, I know how you guys operate.
>
> You are one of the trolls who always shows up here with a phony
canned story
> about Scientology every time more bad news breaks about LMT or LMT
associates.
You are going to wish that I am only a troll. I am educated to your
DA attacks, they won't work here.
>
> For instance this week in addition to the Henson conviction for a
hate crime
> against Scientology Bob's court sanctions pushed up past three
hundred thousand
> dollars and Stacy has been compelled by the courts to answer the
very touchy LMT
> finance questions that she has been dodging for months.
LOL you are such a idiot. You just couldn't post without getting some
of your "lines" in could you.
You are pathetic and so predictable.
Tell me, did you watch the Woodcraft family video's? Of course not,
you are not allowed to. Maybe one day, when you are by yourself and
you muster up some courage, you will watch those and have a cog. Why
don't you just make me wrong, and go and watch them and report back to
us here. I dare you.
Dave Bird
Ixbalam <jaguar...@bestweb.net> writes:
> You're not kidding about them being unusually antagonistic. Some of
>the posts I've read this week were pactically dripping venom. To me if
>some of them got a bit PTS, that's a good sign that morale may be
>breaking down and they're getting a clue about what's really going on.
My evaluation is that the person who starts hissing and stamping
their widdle foot (clams only got one each) is losing the argument,
and the person who contemptuously ignores them is winning.
>
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Dave Bird
writes:
>> But hey, who am I to back off from a 500 point challenge? Here's me.
>> Adjust stats appropriately.
>
>I don't know what the exact criteria would be for this. How stats are
>calculated change from time to time. It depends on what the most
>recent eval was pushing. For example, a recent eval was obviously
>done due to the volume of OSA Posts and content. Along with the eval
>is a program with steps (targets).
>
>There are different types of targets as well. Go take a look at any
>of the GO programs written. There is a Major Target, Primary Targets,
>Vital Targets and Operating Targets. I suggest reading HCOPL 14 Jan
>69 OT ORGS. This policy lays it all out for you and I think you can
>find it somewhere on the net.
>
>Anyway, sometimes when a new eval is done and a new Program is
>written, then new stats are also written. The idea is that the stats
>reflect production.
>
>A critic no longer posting would have a definition on the stat sheet.
>I don't know what the current definition is. It could be defined as
>someone who posts a good bye post or it could be that he/she was
>absent and not posting for a certain amount of time.
I would imagine it must be the latter: not everybody who leaves says
goodbye, and not everybody who says goodbye actually leaves.
>Of course when
>they came back and posted, the stats would reflect that and they would
>get some minus points.
Any idea on what basis? I assume the 100 points is taken back off,
as it would be for insurance commission if the policy is discontinued.
(Also, presumably it is Gavino's overall stat, as departure can
rarely be attributed to a particular OSA-bot).
Dave Bird
writes:
>> It does seem as of late that there is a renewed emphasis on "hate"
>in the
>> postings by $cientology ops. It must be the latest line, as the
>word appears in
>> almost every clambot post.
>
>Yes. You can see what the latest "lines" are by watching the OSA
>bots. These lines are determined by doing very complete surveys of
>ARS posts and finding out the critics "buttons".
>During the eval, thousands of posts are culled and surveyed to find
>out what the critics "react to".
Is reaction measured by quantity or is quality factored in? Do they
simply count what got responses (which, I suppose, counts as time
wasting and distraction) or do they note whether the responses
make them look stupid?
>For instance, it is obvious that OSA thinks that the critics have a
>button on being called a "bigot" because the word bigot was being used
>in almost every OSA post a few weeks ago. OSA sees that using the
>word bigot gets a big reaction so they decide to push it and use it
>over and over.
>
>Lately, they have been going in for the "hate mongers" button and with
>the resent Hensen debacle, they are pushing the "criminal" button.
I tend to dismiss these contemptuously once or twice then ignore them,
saying that a person who croaks biggott!biggott!biggott! has turned
into a frog and is no longer worth talking to, or mocking their
obsession with flatfish (hake).
--
poor littul fwogs: Biggott! Biggott! Biggott! biggott BIGOTT ribit
biggit \bigit \ / boggit / biggott/ / bip
ِِِ ِِضِ ِِضضِِِِضِِ ِِ ِ ِضِِ ِِضضِ ضِِِ ِِ ِ ِضِِ ِِِ ِِ ِِضضضِِ ِِِ ضِ
Catarina Pamnell
news:tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com...
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
> instead, decided to speak out.
Welcome! Good choice.
Catarina
(still posting to ARS ;-) )
Catarina Pamnell
"barb" <bwa...@home.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:3AEC3005...@home.com...
> A while ago someone, I think it was Beverly Rice, posted something about
> a $1000 reward for anyone who could get a critic jailed. Do you know
> anything about that? She'd read it in some Scn material that she later
> discarded.
It's Holy Policy. HCO PL 1 Sep 1969 COUNTER ESPIONAGE, to be exact.
I believe I only have the Swedish translation though. The original reward
was smaller, but a revision of 24 Sep 1983 increased the figure to $1,000.
It basically says if anyone reports to Reports Officer, RTC, detailed
information that results in persons who are intentionally trying to damage
[Scn] organizations being arrested and convicted, they get a $1,000 reward.
There is another $400 reward for informing about anti-organizational
activities in the field (such as field auditors resisting RTC control, I
presume).
Catarina
Mike Krotz
thread.
This pathetic attempt to DA you by lamduck is a perfect example of something
that EVERY $cientologist should know...as soon as you leave the "church," you
are fair game. The people you think are your friends will turn on you. I again
point to Tory Bezazian, she was a VERY loyal $cientologist for thirty years...
but the moment she leaves, she is practically enemy number one. IS THIS HOW A
CHURCH BEHAVES? Posting lies to the internet, setting her up with cleverly
edited video for silly injunction violations, just so you can justify calling
her criminal? Is this something that you are proud of, $cientologists? Do you
really want to belong to a group that does this sort of thing to its own, just
because they change their mind and want to leave?
There is a caring and compassionate network of people out here in the real
world, just waiting to help you take that leap out of what Tory likes to call
"The Truman Show." Glad you were able to make the leap on your own, Cerridwen,
and may many more follow!
MK
Fluffygirl
>
> (Was: Another Scientologist leaves)
>
> >I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a
position
> >to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> Yes and for very good reasons.
>
> You are one of the trolls who always shows up here with a phony canned
story
> about Scientology every time more bad news breaks about LMT or LMT
associates.
If CofS didn't mess with people every time they speak out, then Cerridwen
and others wouldn't consider that they *have* to post anonymously.
Go on, tell me that the Church *never* hassles people for posting here or
for speaking out in other ways- I dare you. Because you can't say that.
Because if you did it would obviously be not true.
I know what I'm talking about here.
>
> For instance this week in addition to the Henson conviction for a hate
crime
> against Scientology Bob's court sanctions pushed up past three hundred
thousand
> dollars and Stacy has been compelled by the courts to answer the very
touchy LMT
> finance questions that she has been dodging for months.
Which,of course, has nothing to do with Cerridwen's comments.
C
Mike O'Connor
Keith Henson <hkhe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
I try to avoid the puckered asshole symbol, preferring instead to refer
to the current cult dictator (*) by title. But of course, wherever I
refer to the current cult dictator (*) I do try to include a footnote
that explains who I mean. I see many cult documents include footnotes,
so I took my cue from that.
(*) == David Miscavage
--
SCIENTOLOGY IS SECRETLY A UFO CULT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Mike O'Connor <http://www.leptonicsystems.com/>
Mike O'Connor
"Catarina Pamnell" <cata...@pamnell.com> wrote:
The only thing I could find is a claim by a guy who said he was
distributing it to the media. But I couldn't find the document itself.
Actually, several of these look interesting:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: Garry <ska...@pacbell.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:38:45 -0700
Message-ID: <3617A495...@pacbell.net>
I am currently distributing the Office of Special Affairs Invest
Section Hat Pack marked CONFIDENTIAL to members of the media and law
enforcement personnel. . The substance of this pack are identified in
the following:
Definition: Department 20 Dept. of Special Affairs
Department 20 - Executive Division - Org Board
OSA DSA July 1991 - Investigations Officer Full Hat Checklist
Investigations Checksheet - (From Volunteer Minister Handbook)
OSA Int Ed - 2 Short Form ODC Checksheet (Overt Data Collection)
OSA Int Ed - 3 Long Form ODC Checksheet (Overt Data Collection)
OSA Investigations Section - Stat Definitions and Points Chart
Invest Drill, 25 June 1991 - Noisy Invest Drill
OSA Invest, 9 July 1991 - Frequent Flyer Club Hat
OSA Network Order #2 - 17 October 1987 - Investigatory Personnel
OSA Network Order #7 - 10 December 1987 - Enemy Action
OSA Network Order #9 - 5 February 1988 - Definition of Intelligence
OSA Network Order #10 - 6 February 1988 - Principles of Government
OSA Network Order #15 - 18 February 1988 - Black Propaganda
OSA Network Order #17 - 17 February 1988 - The Genus of Insane
Governments
OSA Network Order # 18 - 17 February 1988 - Why Government Attacks
Religion
OSA Network Order #19 - 18 February 1988 - Willful False Reports
OSA Network Order #32 - 5 April 1988 - Strategic Info
OSA Network Order #35 - 7 April 1988 - Intelligence Estimations &
Predictions
OSA Network Order #40 - 30 May 1988 - The Mechanism of Attack & Defense
OSA Network Order # 45 - 25 June 1988 - Government Allegations
HCOPL 21 November 1972 - How To Handle Black Propaganda
HCOPL 11 May 1971 - Black PR
HCOPL 25 April 1968 - Intelligence Actions
HCOPL 30 October 1962 - Security Risks Infiltration
HCOPL 12 October 1982 - Corrupt Activities
HCOPL 16 February 1969 - Reissued 24 September 1987 - Targets, Defense
HCOPL 16 February 1969 - Reissued 24 September 1987 - Battle Tactics
HCOPL 17 February 1966 - Public Investigations Section
HCOPL 1 Sept 69R - Rev/ Reissued 24 September 1983 - Counter Espionage
Executive Directive - Security Situation Handling Checklists
Executive Directive, 10 September 1991 - Suppressive Persons & Groups
List
HCO Manual of Justice
The media are going to have a heyday with this and other "CONFIDENTIAL"
OSA docs now being distributed.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
RedfaZey
>
Would (_O_)=== L. Ron Hubbard then?
Love, faZe
JimDBB
>From: cerr...@freedom.net
>Date: 4/28/01 10:52 PM Central
could you repost your original post. I lot it.
thanks.
Jimdbb SP 4
Keith Henson
<mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote:
>In article <9chhtn$ok9$1...@cubacola.tninet.se>,
> "Catarina Pamnell" <cata...@pamnell.com> wrote:
>
>> "barb" <bwa...@home.com> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:3AEC3005...@home.com...
>>
>> > A while ago someone, I think it was Beverly Rice, posted something about
>> > a $1000 reward for anyone who could get a critic jailed. Do you know
>> > anything about that? She'd read it in some Scn material that she later
>> > discarded.
>>
>> It's Holy Policy. HCO PL 1 Sep 1969 COUNTER ESPIONAGE, to be exact.
>>
>> I believe I only have the Swedish translation though. The original reward
>> was smaller, but a revision of 24 Sep 1983 increased the figure to $1,000.
>> It basically says if anyone reports to Reports Officer, RTC, detailed
>> information that results in persons who are intentionally trying to damage
>> [Scn] organizations being arrested and convicted, they get a $1,000 reward.
>>
>> There is another $400 reward for informing about anti-organizational
>> activities in the field (such as field auditors resisting RTC control, I
>> presume).
>
>The only thing I could find is a claim by a guy who said he was
>distributing it to the media. But I couldn't find the document itself.
>Actually, several of these look interesting:
snip
Thank you *very* much for making this connection.
Not only do I *have* this document, but it was made part of the record
in my case. My, my, this makes it easy to bring this policy up as
part of the record on appeal!
A thousand bucks is not much by ordinary standards, but for a
scientologist staffer, it is close to a year's pay. And here is a
most interesting question. Who would get this payment? The obvious
person is Hoden, prime witness against me. I doubt I could prove he
was paid, but I think showing payment was scientology policy and he
was the most likely person to be paid might interest the appeal court,
and (if they are honest) the Riverside DA (Yo Robert Schwarz!)
I recently looked at the penal code about entering false information
into the court's records, section 132. The very next section, 132.5,
makes it a crime to pay a witness for testimony.
132.5. (a) A person who is a witness to an event or occurrence that
he or she knows, or reasonably should know, is a crime or who has
personal knowledge of facts that he or she knows, or reasonably
should know, may require that person to be called as a witness in a
criminal prosecution shall not accept or receive, directly or
indirectly, any payment or benefit in consideration for providing
information obtained as result of witnessing the event or occurrence
or having personal knowledge of the facts.
(b) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor and shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not exceeding six
months, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that imprisonment and fine.
Keith Henson
Beverly Rice
> cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
> > "arnie lerma" <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> > > I think they have another one
> > > 250 points for antagonizing a critic into posting something we can
> > > the show to a court, out of context, and call it HATE speech - thats
> > > what their antagonistic rants are designed for.
> > Hi Arnie, I agree with you. 250 points and a commendation chit
> > went to the OSA bot that figured out a way to to destroy Henson and
> > his family. How disgusting. The only real win out of something like
> > this is that it opened my eyes and the eyes of other Scientologists
> > who got to read about it on ARS.
> A while ago someone, I think it was Beverly Rice, posted something about
> a $1000 reward for anyone who could get a critic jailed. Do you know
> anything about that? She'd read it in some Scn material that she later
> discarded.
Yes, it was in a special issue of KSW (Keeping $cientology
Working) News.
I am so sorry, I don't remember the issue or year, but it was
at least from '95 or prior.
I live in a time warp where one year is the next and they are
all the same, so I am not totally accurate when speaking in
times of linear time. :-)
ARC = As-Ising the Real Co$,
Beverly
Beverly Rice
> "Catarina Pamnell" <cata...@pamnell.com> wrote:
> > > A while ago someone, I think it was Beverly Rice, posted something about
> > > a $1000 reward for anyone who could get a critic jailed. Do you know
> > > anything about that? She'd read it in some Scn material that she later
> > > discarded.
> > It's Holy Policy. HCO PL 1 Sep 1969 COUNTER ESPIONAGE, to be exact.
> > I believe I only have the Swedish translation though. The original reward
> > was smaller, but a revision of 24 Sep 1983 increased the figure to $1,000.
> > It basically says if anyone reports to Reports Officer, RTC, detailed
> > information that results in persons who are intentionally trying to damage
> > [Scn] organizations being arrested and convicted, they get a $1,000 reward.
> >
> > There is another $400 reward for informing about anti-organizational
> > activities in the field (such as field auditors resisting RTC control, I
> > presume).
> The only thing I could find is a claim by a guy who said he was
> distributing it to the media. But I couldn't find the document itself.
> Actually, several of these look interesting:
Well, there sure has been a lot posted here for the
~enlightenment~ of the public that ~cares~ about CRIME,
FRAUD, LIES, ABUSE, HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION AND CRIMINAL
INTENT disguised as a religion by the crutch of
$cientology.
However, . . . .
If copies of each of the following from the list below
could be posted to ars . . .
hopefully an individual post for each item listed . . .
now ~BOY~!!!!! . . .
would ~THAT~ ever be a nice little collection to have.
:-)
If you have them available, would be appreciated to
see in the light of day.
Thank you.
Beverly
cerr...@freedom.net
"Keith Henson" <hkhe...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:5onoetkmf9tc0i44h...@4ax.com...
Keith,
I seriously doubt that anyone got the $1000.00. If Hoden or any other
staff member (especially a Sea Org Staff member) put in a csw to get
paid the $1000, then they would more than likely be sent to ethics for
an attitude adjustment.
The person would be brought to the understanding that they should not
accept this money as they were just doing their job. Anyone asking
for this money would be greeted with raised eyebrows and sec checked
until they cogged that they should not be asking for money. But I
suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask one of them in a deposition.
Cerridwen
>
> I recently looked at the penal code about entering false information
> into the court's records, section 132. The very next section,
132.5,
> makes it a crime to pay a witness for testimony.
>
> 132.5. (a) A person who is a witness to an event or occurrence that
> he or she knows, or reasonably should know, is a crime or who has
> personal knowledge of facts that he or she knows, or reasonably
> should know, may require that person to be called as a witness in a
> criminal prosecution shall not accept or receive, directly or
> indirectly, any payment or benefit in consideration for providing
> information obtained as result of witnessing the event or occurrence
> or having personal knowledge of the facts.
>
> (b) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor and shall be
> punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not exceeding six
> months, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
> both that imprisonment and fine.
>
> Keith Henson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
Dr. Paloma
At first there was a slight pretense of sounding like someone who might have
just left the Church. No longer: we have now have pure, 100% certified
beligerent critic. I was wondering how long it would take before Cerridwen
completely blew his cover. These critics just can't help themselves from lashing
out and shouting names, even when they're trying to pretend they're someone
else. That's why so many of them are ultimately headed for jail.
pAtRiCk dArCy
>The Great Suprendo <TheGreat...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
>
>: Would that be the bigamist, the main convicted of fraud and issued with
>: a five year jail term in his absence on France ? The "I'm drunking lots
>: of rum and popping lots of pinks and greys" drug-ridden drunkard ? The
>: second-rate science-fiction writer ? The discredited mental case ?
>
>Yeah, that's the nut-job. Jeez, the more I hear about him, the more he
>reminds me of Arnold Rimmer (for you Red Dwarf fans)... I mean, for fuck's
>sake - how delusional do you have to be, to engage a CHARTED magnetic
>deposit in combat, because you've decided it's a sub in disguise? And how
>good a writer is he really, if he has to have his sales numbers
>artificially enhanced with fake sales, and repurchasing scams?
>
>L. Ron Hubbard is, without a doubt, the single most useless human being
>ever born. The world would be a much better place if he'd never existed...
hubbard may not have had much value or i guess i should say he placed
all of his value in the occult and money but dont kid yourself, in
thefuturre
there will be a man who makes hubbard look like somebodys grandmother.
>
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Feisty
<cerr...@freedom.net> wrote in message
news:tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com...
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
> instead,
> decided to speak out.
>
> to post
> my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
will
> tell
> you my complete story. In the meantime, I would like to contribute to ARS
> in
> ways that will help others see the truth about the C of S.
>
you
> already know this data, but it may be new to others.
>
> The OSA posters are working off of evals, programs and orders on what to
say
> and
> write.
>
> program issued.
>
> The OSA posters in the past few weeks are very antagonistic. Much worse
that
> usual. It appears that Davey may have issued an order for everyone to star
> rate and
> clay demo the policy on Fair Game and handling attacks and then let the OSA
> posters go to town. This may also be the result of some of the OSA posters
> going a bit "PTS" and it was "evalled" that if the OSA bots got more "at
> cause" then this would handle their PTSness.
>
> night/Thursday before 2:00 LA time.
>
> something like this.
>
>
> 5 point for a an anti psych post
> 5 points for a post that slams the critics
> 5 points for a post that gets the C of S " line" in. Definition of line is
> something
> that the C of S is pushing i.e. Minton is a criminal, Minton is a psych
> case, psychs
> are criminals etc.
>
> 10 points for a response. ( I noticed one OSA bot bragging that he got over
> 100
> responses to his thread)
>
> Bonus Points
>
> 100 points for outing a critic
> 100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
> 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
>
>
>
>
> -5 for degrading posts about LRH
> -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
> - 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
> -25 for a newly posting critic
>
>
> Now I am sure there are more points for different things but you can see
how
> the
> game works. I am also quite sure that some of the critics can have lots of
> fun with
> these stats and dream up some really good ones.
>
> If you are a Scientologist and working for OSA, you can bet your last dime
> that
> you have a stat. Gavino Idda's stats are a combination of all the OSA
> posters stats put
> together because he is the I/C (in charge). If stats are down and they
> want to get
> them up, they just post a ton of a spam with their "lines".
>
> Of course, stats have to be UP so by Wednesday afternoon they figure how
> many
> posts have to be made to get the stats up.
>
> Many of you oblige or assist them by answering the antipsych posts.
>
> I am not suggesting the OSA bots be completely ignored. I think it is very
> important that their lies and deceit be made known to people lurking here.
> I think
> that one good slam deserves another and I intend on answering a few of
their
> posts
> myself. But I also want you to know what kind of game they are playing
> with
> some of these posts.
>
> Based on OSA posting lately, I'd say they are applying affluence, which in
> Scientology speak is very good.
>
> Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
> their stats!
>
> Cerridwen
Hi there and welcome to a kind of tainted world without here. Your info helps
and kind of tells me (at least) what loony motives are at work here. It is
very noticable that people get caught up in the psych spam stuff, and the
libelous stuff as well. It is only many best instincts that kick in to defend
against such "stuff."
It also seems that the "team" or whoever is on duty try to break up
meaningful conversation here. (They just can't stand it can they! or the
leader of the team, anyway, who barks out the so-called orders so I've read).
When you talked about the minus points for degrading LRH or DM or mentionning
the OT levels, does this mean in a reply post to the spammers or one of the
multi-personality posters, or new posts to the group, or both?
Also, what is your guess as to what's going to happen once we start working
against the current system they work on?
And yet another question - what about the "intolerance poster like Mike, eg.
This seems to be a new (old) breed. This kind of troll seems to draw heavy
debate, which almost seems to give merit to his speak. Same rules of posting
points, or different m.o. maybe?
Thanks in advance for your input. Welcome to a world that is full of ideas,
free willing as you like and of course, free of charge!
Feisty
>
>
>
> .
The Great Suprendo
>Cerridwen, again welcome to the real world. Thanks for your reply on the other
>thread.
Agreed. Way to go Cerridwen! Don't take any bull from the Rondroids.
--
This post was brought to you by a suppurating ring-blister named Colin.
ptsc
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:14:08 -0400, cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>snip
>>Why do you think they went after Hens with such fury. Henson was
>>bothering Davey!!!!
>I don't doubt it. He could look down from his mansion and see me on
>the road, clearly "unhandled." And the program worked out even better
>than anyone at the central committee thought it would. They have
>burned all the political capital they worked up in Riverside County
>for the last ten years in coercing the DA's office to go after me.
I tend to think so on that, too. I wonder if they'll be so eager to go after
anyone else on a charge of free speech.
That's even assuming this survives on appeal.
Have you read Mirele's suggestion of filing for a Judgment Notwithstanding a
Verdict on the grounds that 422.6 is usually a sentence enhancer? Ie, to
commit a "hate crime" you actually have to have commited a CRIME in the first
place?
>>It is a flap overtime Davey is mentioned in a negative way.
>Heh, wait till we get the court transcripts where Hoden identifies (*)
>as the symbol for Davey. I don't think it got me points with the
>jury, but they eventually figured out the asterisk was his pucker.
ptsc
cerr...@freedom.net
Thanks for this data Barb, and I think dancing with Tory someday would
be lots of fun.
cerr...@freedom.net
"Dr. Paloma" <Dr._m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:9chtd...@drn.newsguy.com...
might have
> just left the Church. No longer: we have now have pure, 100%
certified
> beligerent critic. I was wondering how long it would take before
Cerridwen
> completely blew his cover. These critics just can't help themselves
from lashing
> out and shouting names, even when they're trying to pretend they're
someone
> else. That's why so many of them are ultimately headed for jail.
>
What a slimy response. Not that I expected anything else.
I see that lately you and the other OSA posters have been implying
that the critics will end up in jail. Since this implied threat has
been on several threads it must have been ordered from higher ups as a
handling. It appears that whoever is doing your evals has some
unhandled FPRD lists.
What happened to you Dr.? What happened to your application of
Scientology basics? Are the attack handling PL's now senior to the
axioms? to ARC?
When you first got into Scientology and learned all those basics on
your comm course and HQS course, did you see yourself someday posting
to a group of people who were upset with the Church and your handling
was going to be snide and snippy remarks, no answers and threats. Was
this what you thought Scientology was all about?
If it was then it explains why you post here. If it was not than I
suggest to go back and look over those Scn basics and use that data to
handle the scene here. I recommend the Scientology Axioms. The
fact that you choose to aberrate the comm cycle with no answers,
innuendo, and sleaze tells us alot about what has happened to you.
Try some honest comm for a change. Answer the questions. Try
indicating the right thing for once.
What you are doing now is not working, actually you are making the
scene here much worse.
arnie lerma
Well, rule #1 for fighting scientology
is:
Turn every thing they do to advantage...
Thank you Mr. Paloma
arnie lerma
>Cerridwen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net
>
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
Nick Andrew
> Would (_O_)=== L. Ron Hubbard then?
(XO_) actually. The X is where they stuck the syringe full of Vistaril.
Nick.
--
Do not send me copies of postings. Keep it in USENET please.
Kaeli
Thank you for the information you posted below too!
cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
> .
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net
--
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ARSCC (wdnee) Intel Ops
"'Cause you gotta blame someone for your confusion, we're all on guard this time
against your final solution."
Red Ryder, "Lunatic Fringe"
Dr. Paloma
>
>
>"Dr. Paloma" <Dr._m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:9chtd...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> In article <teoeab2...@corp.supernews.com>,
>cerr...@freedom.net says...
>> >
>>
>> At first there was a slight pretense of sounding like someone who
>might have
>> just left the Church. No longer: we have now have pure, 100%
>certified
>> beligerent critic. I was wondering how long it would take before
>Cerridwen
>> completely blew his cover. These critics just can't help themselves
>from lashing
>> out and shouting names, even when they're trying to pretend they're
>someone
>> else. That's why so many of them are ultimately headed for jail.
>>
>
>What a slimy response. Not that I expected anything else.
>
>I see that lately you and the other OSA posters have been implying
>that the critics will end up in jail. Since this implied threat
Since when is a predicition a threat?
> has
>been on several threads it must have been ordered from higher ups as a
>handling. It appears that whoever is doing your evals has some
>unhandled FPRD lists.
>
>What happened to you Dr.? What happened to your application of
>Scientology basics? Are the attack handling PL's now senior to the
>axioms? to ARC?
>
>When you first got into Scientology and learned all those basics on
>your comm course and HQS course, did you see yourself someday posting
>to a group of people who were upset with the Church and your handling
>was going to be snide and snippy remarks, no answers and threats.
You mean like these remarks you just got through making and then conveniently
snipped from this thread:
>You are going to wish that I am only a troll. I am educated to your
>DA attacks, they won't work here.
>
>LOL you are such a idiot. You just couldn't post without getting some
>of your "lines" in could you.
>You are pathetic and so predictable.
>
>Tell me, did you watch the Woodcraft family video's? Of course not,
>you are not allowed to. Maybe one day, when you are by yourself and
>you muster up some courage, you will watch those and have a cog. Why
>don't you just make me wrong, and go and watch them and report back to
>us here. I dare you.
Boy, you really get right into the spirit of things for a guy who "just
arrived".
> Was
>this what you thought Scientology was all about?
>
>If it was then it explains why you post here. If it was not than I
>suggest to go back and look over those Scn basics and use that data to
>handle the scene here.
How about if I just follow your example above since you're such an expert in
these basics?
> I recommend the Scientology Axioms. The
>fact that you choose to aberrate the comm cycle with no answers,
>innuendo, and sleaze tells us alot about what has happened to you.
>Try some honest comm for a change. Answer the questions. Try
>indicating the right thing for once.
In other words, the thing to do is just tell the other guy he's slimy and full
of sleaze? (Really, I'm only trying to learn from your example.)
>
>What you are doing now is not working, actually you are making the
>scene here much worse.
Well then, if I'm doing such damage to my own cause, shouldn't you be
encouraging me?
Dr. Paloma
>
>
>"barb" <bwa...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:3AEC2EBC...@home.com...
>> cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>> >
reality is fallacious.
>>
>> I've also read that it takes much longer for Scientologists to
>recover
>> from mental conditioning than members of other coercive groups. This
>> doesn't reflect on the Scientologist's intelligence, but rather the
>> effectiveness of this dangerous process. I'm glad you made it
>through
>> the tough-skinned bubble of alternate reality imposed by this group,
>and
>> happy that you intend to fight it.
Yes, quite amazing! Here he is right off the dock, all lathered up and rarin' to
go! I don't how to explain it really, unless of course he happened to have been
psychiatrically rehabilitated.
Kaeli
hoping to get your stats push up for this coming Thursday.
It's sad you are nothing more than a slave to a so-called religion that erodes your
mind away.
Is how you imagined you would grow up to be? A little troll, slaving away for a
dwarf like David Miscavige who would throw you away in a millisecond's notice if you
became a liability to the fraudulent corruption that is the Co$.
"Dr. Paloma" wrote:
--
RedfaZey
>
>(XO_) actually. The X is where they stuck the syringe full of Vistaril.
>
I think it would actually look like this: (XO*) (the * being the permanent
kiss mark from having so many people's lips on his ass all those years.
Love, faZe
John C. Randolph
cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
> What you have to understand is DM
> is now the man. Not to long ago, when a Scientologist would get a sec
> check one of the questions would be " Do you have any evil thoughts
> about LRH? Now the sec checks include questions about evil thoughts
> about Davey. A few years ago, at major events, Davey would come out
> on to the stage and be welcomed with a standing ovation. Davey would
> cut these standing ovations short with the view that that much
> admiration should only go to LRH. Now Davey stands there and lets the
> crowd cheer on and on and on and on and the acknowledgment towards LRH
> has been ever so slowly decreasing and ever so slowly increasing
> toward Davey. This is something I have observed over the years. But
> nothing I could ever discuss with other Scientologists.
Holy shit. That's exactly what Stalin did, after Lenin trotted off to
his well-earned eternity in hell. Stalin murdered about twenty million
people outright, and probably did in as many as another ten million
through his incompetence in managing WW II, and soviet agriculture.
I wonder how many people Davey's going to do in before he ends up in Ft. Leavenworth?
> Why do you think they went after Hens with such fury. Henson was
> bothering Davey!!!!
If I know Keith (and I do), Davey's going to keep getting bothered for a
*long* time. Before this frame-up job, if Keith had decided to quit
picketing Gold Base, nobody else would have picketed there. Now, gold
is *the* place to picket. It might even become more popular than the
Fort Homicide Hotel.
Way to pull it in, Mr. Miscarriage.
-jcr
PS: Come on Davey, show us your SooPER SeKrit AwSome PowerZ, D00D!
Show us how you can quit being a dwarf!
arnie lerma
wrote:
Paloma must be David Miscaviges Dog
wynot
>A few years ago, at major events, Davey would come out
>on to the stage and be welcomed with a standing ovation. Davey would
>cut these standing ovations short with the view that that much
>admiration should only go to LRH. Now Davey stands there and lets the
>crowd cheer on and on and on and on and the acknowledgment towards LRH
>has been ever so slowly decreasing and ever so slowly increasing
>toward Davey.
I have mentioned elsewhere how every org I picket (Atlanta,
Clearwater, and Austin so far) seems to have a little, weaselly-faced
thug type smirking around, like the ones who attempted to follow me
after certain pickets here and after picketing with Warrior in Texas.
Reading your post above gave me insight into this; DM (*) is himself a
little, weaselly-faced thug, and no doubt likes seeing others of his
type around!
Scientology, proof of reincarnation, being the obvious re-birth of
Thuggee!
'til next time;
wynot
==========
==========
> LOOK! WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DESTROY! A religion. One which seeks to
> improve people and you go on with this type of moronic "advice". I'll
> let your own words show you what you are...a raving lunatic.
Why can't your religion act like one, and quit breaking the law and
abusing people? Why can't it just stick to the stuff that people feel
helps them? Why?
Barb, responding to Disturbed Dan
Thomas J Best
Fluffygirl <csw...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3aec4...@news2.lightlink.com...
>
> <lame...@cotse.com> wrote in message
> news:988534464.3...@packetderm.cotse.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:16:35 -0400, cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
> >
> > (Was: Another Scientologist leaves)
> >
> position
> > >to post my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
> >
> >
> story
> > about Scientology every time more bad news breaks about LMT or LMT
> associates.
>
> and others wouldn't consider that they *have* to post anonymously.
>
> Go on, tell me that the Church *never* hassles people for posting here or
> for speaking out in other ways- I dare you. Because you can't say that.
> Because if you did it would obviously be not true.
>
> I know what I'm talking about here.
>
>
> >
> > For instance this week in addition to the Henson conviction for a hate
> crime
> > against Scientology Bob's court sanctions pushed up past three hundred
> thousand
> > dollars and Stacy has been compelled by the courts to answer the very
> touchy LMT
> > finance questions that she has been dodging for months.
>
>
> C
Claire, this did my cranky, nasty, suspicious, irritable heart a world
of good! Welcome!
tam:-)
Thomas J Best
<n...@cotse.com> wrote in message
news:3aecba97...@news.akl.ihug.co.nz...
>
Pathetic, isn't it? Hanging on the words of all these
DBs. (Wogs At Cause!)
> > -5 for degrading posts about LRH
> > -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
> > -5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
>
> Using obvious ad-hominum would reduce your credibility. This could
> come back to bite you if someone official (e.g. a judge or senator)
> reads your posts.
Oh, shudder! Imagine! Someone 'official'! You mean like
some pimply deluded Sea Ogre in a pretend uniform?
> > -25 for a newly posting critic
> > 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
> So, to inflate their stats, OSA would be creating and dumping critics
> like mad. At 475 a pop, their stats would go through the roof.
Except that:
they always get caught by the critics;
they'd be off to the RPF so fast the stats wouldn't matter,
because their 'posts' are being 'evaluated' by an idiot in
a pretend uniform.
> > Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
> > their stats!
>
> People tend to resent the source of their pain.
I sit on you, pathetic fearful clambot.
tam
cerr...@freedom.net
> In article <tepb5q3...@corp.supernews.com>,
cerr...@freedom.net says...
> >
> >
> >"barb" <bwa...@home.com> wrote in message
> >news:3AEC2EBC...@home.com...
> >> cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
> >> >
> reality is fallacious.
> >>
> >> I've also read that it takes much longer for Scientologists to
> >recover
> >> from mental conditioning than members of other coercive groups.
This
> >> doesn't reflect on the Scientologist's intelligence, but rather
the
> >> effectiveness of this dangerous process. I'm glad you made it
> >through
> >> the tough-skinned bubble of alternate reality imposed by this
group,
> >and
> >> happy that you intend to fight it.
>
> Yes, quite amazing! Here he is right off the dock, all lathered up
and rarin' to
> go! I don't how to explain it really,
Of course you don't. You are clueless. You are unable to fathom why
Scientologists who lurk here become disgusted with your behavior. You
and your OSA friends are doing more to drive Scientologists away from
the Church than all the critics combined. You do such a great job of
it that I actually wonder if that is not your true intention.
unless of course he happened to have been
> psychiatrically rehabilitated.
Have you always been a dickhead or did this happen after you started
posting for OSA?
cerr...@freedom.net
> In article <tepb5to...@corp.supernews.com>,
cerr...@freedom.net says...
> >
> >
> >"Dr. Paloma" <Dr._m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:9chtd...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> In article <teoeab2...@corp.supernews.com>,
> >cerr...@freedom.net says...
> >> >
> >>
> >> At first there was a slight pretense of sounding like someone who
> >might have
> >> just left the Church. No longer: we have now have pure, 100%
> >certified
> >> beligerent critic. I was wondering how long it would take before
> >Cerridwen
> >> completely blew his cover. These critics just can't help
themselves
> >from lashing
> >> out and shouting names, even when they're trying to pretend
they're
> >someone
> >> else. That's why so many of them are ultimately headed for jail.
> >>
> >
> >What a slimy response. Not that I expected anything else.
> >
> >I see that lately you and the other OSA posters have been implying
> >that the critics will end up in jail. Since this implied threat
>
> Since when is a predicition a threat?
Don't be coy Dr., it was a threat.
I was encouraging you to apply the tech. Obviously you are unable to.
One day you will come to realize that you and your OSA buddies were
responsible for destroying Scientology.
Too bad Dr., you were probably a nice guy once.
I eagerly await your twisted reply.
Nick Andrew
>In <9cibd6$a2a$1...@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, ni...@zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew)
>wrote:
>>redf...@aol.com (RedfaZey) writes:
>>
>>> Would (_O_)=== L. Ron Hubbard then?
>>
>>(XO_) actually. The X is where they stuck the syringe full of Vistaril.
>Heh! Clever numbering there.
X marks the spot, and also counts the shots!
Ed
I've come to the conclusion that DM and the top management
are actively R/Sers (Rock Slammers) dramatizing their Evil Purposes.
They are actively doing everything possible to discredit and destroy
anything good in Scn or the tech. They are doing a near-perfect job of
creating a repellent image so as to permanently turn away everyone
except victims whom they can vampirize the energy and money of. They
steadily harden the isolation of their cult member/victims from real
life on this planet. I believe DM and the others at the top of their
pyramid have a belief similar to Hitler's that their organization will
persist beyond the physical plane and at a certain point they will
choose to die by suicide rather than face the consequences of their
continuous and massive crimes against the membership.
Ed
Chris Leithiser
>
> Well then, if I'm doing such damage to my own cause, shouldn't you be
> encouraging me?
>
Encouraging you? Hell, we're quoting you!
ptsc
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:16:35 -0400, cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
>their stats!
Unhandled attacks go in their minus column, so you've already made a good
start.
Btw, what was the final straw?
ptsc
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Zinj
says...
>>
>>> Would (_O_)=== L. Ron Hubbard then?
>>
>>(XO_) actually. The X is where they stuck the syringe full of Vistaril.
>
>
>--
>
>Ted (t...@ibexbsc.com)
Maybe (XO________) in honor of his flatlined state, which allows (*) to play
fuehrer.
Has the added advantage of serving as a 'fill in the blank' when the return of
Hubbard is announced.
Zinj
Dr. Paloma
What tech would that be, the tech of trolling? Obviously *you* are unable to. I
suggest you lay low for a while, then try it again with a new name. Only this
time try to avoid drooling. All your transparent ruse has achieved was to show
how desperate you critics are to create the illusion that someone other than a
raving lunatic would sign on to your cause. But as usual, at the first
opportunity, you give yourself away.
Dr. Paloma
>
>
>"Dr. Paloma" <Dr._m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:9cief...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> In article <tepb5q3...@corp.supernews.com>,
>cerr...@freedom.net says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"barb" <bwa...@home.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3AEC2EBC...@home.com...
>> >> cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>> >> >
>> reality is fallacious.
>> >>
>> >> I've also read that it takes much longer for Scientologists to
>> >recover
>> >> from mental conditioning than members of other coercive groups.
>This
>> >> doesn't reflect on the Scientologist's intelligence, but rather
>the
>> >> effectiveness of this dangerous process. I'm glad you made it
>> >through
>> >> the tough-skinned bubble of alternate reality imposed by this
>group,
>> >and
>> >> happy that you intend to fight it.
>>
>> Yes, quite amazing! Here he is right off the dock, all lathered up
>and rarin' to
>> go! I don't how to explain it really,
>
>Of course you don't. You are clueless.
And he's even already learned to use the word "clueless". Isn't that priceless?
>You are unable to fathom why
>Scientologists who lurk here become disgusted with your behavior. You
>and your OSA friends are doing more to drive Scientologists away from
>the Church than all the critics combined. You do such a great job of
>it that I actually wonder if that is not your true intention.
No, I'm just unable to fathom how you think any could be so stupid (critics
excepted) to believe you were a Scientologist.
>
>
>unless of course he happened to have been
>> psychiatrically rehabilitated.
>
>Have you always been a dickhead or did this happen after you started
>posting for OSA?
Is that what you learned from the axioms?
Dr. Paloma
Yep, that's our motto: Turn all the most able people into ardent critics and
then try to scrape by with the remaining dregs. In fact, if that's what you were
trying to do, you might as well just go home and kick back because as you've
already so cleverly concluded, we have the situation well in hand.
Dr. Paloma
cerr...@freedom.net
"ptsc" <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:16:35 -0400, cerr...@freedom.net wrote:
>
> >Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we
crash
> >their stats!
>
> Unhandled attacks go in their minus column, so you've already made a
good
> start.
>
> Btw, what was the final straw?
The Barnes Video.
Fluffygirl
Doesn't matter what the opinions stated are.
All ya have to do is look at the deeds and actions of the group and
individuals under discussion. Those speak far more loudly than my opinions,
Cerridwen's, yours, the other people posting, any church member, etc, etc.
I have done so and it prompted me to make a comment or two as of late.
Cerridwen obviously has, too.
C
Fluffygirl
<snip>
> >> Well then, if I'm doing such damage to my own cause, shouldn't you
> >be
> >> encouraging me?
> >
> >I was encouraging you to apply the tech. Obviously you are unable to.
>
> What tech would that be,
How about the tech on applying "ARC". The tech on communication. The tech on
pandeterminism. The tone scale. Ser facs. Justifiers.
That should get you started.
Later on you can tackle the Data Series.
> the tech of trolling? Obviously *you* are unable to. I
> suggest you lay low for a while, then try it again with a new name. Only
this
> time try to avoid drooling. All your transparent ruse has achieved was to
show
> how desperate you critics are to create the illusion that someone other
than a
> raving lunatic would sign on to your cause. But as usual, at the first
> opportunity, you give yourself away.
It is not difficult for me to believe that someone would leave CofS. I hear
about such things all the time. So do you.
It is not difficult for me to believe that someone having done so would wish
to post anonymously. It's very obvious why that might be.
The only thing Cerridwen has "given away" is the impression that (s)he is a
newly disenchanted member posting onto ars on an anonymous basis.
Lots of people post anonymously here.
And as far as trolls go, I'd say that individuals who set up more than one
account under more than one sender name, pretending to be more than one
person whilst posting about psychiatry and so forth (I'm pretty sure there
is an ng called something like alt.flame.psychiatry or something like this
on which these posts would be far more on-topic ) on this ng which is about
~Scn~ resemble trolls far more than many other pseudonymous contributors to
this ng.
Something for you to think about.
C
Chris Sutor
After I said:
:>Yeah, that's the nut-job. Jeez, the more I hear about him, the more he
:>reminds me of Arnold Rimmer (for you Red Dwarf fans)...
: Smoke me a kipper!
Nah, not that one. Not Ace Rimmer, space adventurer (what a guy!) - the
OTHER one.. the sad, pimply-faced gimboid git who's about as popular as a
horny dog at a "miss lovely legs competition".. the one who signs his
letters "Arnold J. Rimmer, BSC" - and BSC stands for Bronze Swimming
Certificate. That stupid, smug, self-centered, cold-hearted, cowardly
little piece of smeg.
That's who Hubbard reminds me of. And Davey Boy, too.
In fact, now I come to think of it... Davey boy is nearly a dead ringer
for the ugly, toad-faced cretin, too.
I wonder if Mssrs Grant and Naylor were making an in-joke with that
character..
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Magoo
Hey Hey!! Congrats on your big move!! It is one of the most amazing
experiences I have encountered in my life, and one of the most rewarding. I
am SO happy for you.
If you need any help, or just want to talk, please e-mail me at
mag...@worldnet.att.net . I am happy to help in any way I can.
We look forward to you outing yourself. People have said I have recovered
faster than anyone they have known who has left, and I attribute it to two
main things:
1) I stay in constant communication with my Internet friends, and local X's
and critics. They have been and continue to be a tremendous help to me, and
hopefully I to them :)
2) I constantly post things about my experiences IN Scietnology. I have
found this to be extrememly theraputic.
So take care of you, and enjoy your new life. Do stay in touch, and if you
are in LA, write for sure and we can
"do coffee" !
Best to ya,
Tory/Magoo~dancing in the light~
In for 30 years
Out for 8 months
SP 5
Free at last!
<cerr...@freedom.net> wrote in message
news:tem63mm...@corp.supernews.com...
> I have decided to walk away from the C of S, but not quietly. I have
> instead,
> decided to speak out.
>
> I have also decided to post anonymously. Some day, I may be in a position
> to post
> my name but as it stands now, I would prefer not to.
>
> 500 points for getting a critic to stop posting
>
>
>
>
> Minus points
>
> -5 for degrading posts about LRH
> -10 for degrading posts about DM ( Davey is now more important than LRH)
> - 5 for degrading posts about the OT levels or mentioning the word Xenu.
> -25 for a newly posting critic
>
>
> Since I am now an SP for speaking out against the church, I say we crash
> their stats!
>
> Cerridwen
>
>
>
> .
Zinj
I'm just amazed that you recognize that Paloma Blanko.
The most effective enemies of Scientology have *always* been the most fanatical
Scientologists.
But hey... Scientology is *all* about making the able more unstable.
Zinj
Tommy
She speaks $cienobabble better than you do.
>
> >
> >
> >unless of course he happened to have been
> >> psychiatrically rehabilitated.
> >
> >Have you always been a dickhead or did this happen after you started
> >posting for OSA?
>
> Is that what you learned from the axioms?
>
Nah.
It's what she learned from reading your posts.
Tommy
--
Church of $cientology's "ecclesiastical leader" David Miscavige on the
death of Lisa McPherson, a church member locked up until she died:
"At the time I don't think it was really thought to be that
significant an issue. She died. People die."