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Kymus  
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 More options Mar 18 2001, 11:18 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: kymus2...@aol.comnospam (Kymus)
Date: 18 Mar 2001 16:17:33 GMT
Local: Sun, Mar 18 2001 11:17 am
Subject: Re: $cientology's "RPF" Slave Labor Camps

>From: "Kevin Brady" rocks...@hotmail.com
>Kymus-

>please.  The above working conditions you describe were SOUGHT OUT by the
>people you describe.  Not forced upon them as punitive justice.  The course
>work you describe is not typically the material a scientologist wants to
>study, but KSW materials, Command Chain materials, and Ethics issues.  They
>are subjected to Sec Checking under duress.  They CANNOT LEAVE.

What you describe might be true of some people's RPF experience, and I have
heard a few credible stories of people being actively physically detained in
the RPF - Stacy Brooks for instance.  I believe the bulk of RPF staff have
remained due to moral constraints and not physical restraint.  They are in the
first place Sea Org members, a status they sought out with an understanding
that it would become central to who they are and how they spend all their
available time, indicating a preexisting high level of commitment to their
faith and to enduring harsh conditions and meager rewards to promote it.  They
are in the second place able to avoid the RPF by leaving the Sea Org, and at
least grudgingly acquiesce to RPF membership. You forget that few Scientology
facilities are located outside urban areas, the RPF is working on grounds of
major Sea Org facilities and can easily leave the grounds if that is what they
choose, though they would face punitive treatment if they left and tried to
come back.  There appears to be some exception regarding the Gold base, though
even there it is hardly a prison camp, just slightly more rural and subject to
temptations to commit acts of detention or intimidation.

>Surely you can see that this is a human rights violation?  If not slavery,
>it is imprisonment and psychological torture, accompanied by total
>disconnection from their families and friends.

No, I don't see that.  Staff membership in the Sea Organization is founded on
consensual relationships that terminate when the person wishing to terminate it
decides.  Consent eliminates violation.

RPFers have family time like other staff, are not imprisoned, and are not
psycholoigcally tortured by RPF activities to any greater extent than they are
psychologically tortured by the fact of existing in an apparently pointless
universe filled with suffering, i.e. suffer the common human condition, or by
undergoing counseling which exposes one's flaws and penetrates and defeats
one's illadaptive defenses, in the manner some psychotherapy does.  If reality
therapy, gestalt, psychoanalysis, etc. are all torture then I'd accept that the
RPF is too.  Since their Sea Org membership, a necessary precondition to  RPF
membership, is their own chosen response to the uncomfortable fact of being
alive, in an effort to make living in it not hopeless and needlessly painful, I
don't see how it should be described as torture.

>Almost enough to induce
>first circuit shock, sometimes actually passing that threshhold.  Would you
>condone this?

Why are you trying to argue to deprive some people's capacity to choose their
religion and manner of affiliation with it based on a psychobabble accusation
that lacks good evidence, being based on a biased take on a nonrepresentative
sample of a subculture?  That's a Scientology tactic to take an instance
without questioning if it is representative and fashion a specious theory about
it and call all that proof of something.  Why are you coming up with your own
variation on it?

There are distinctly specific instances where RPF members have been abused.  I
have seen or been subject to the same abuses or worse in public schools, health
care institutions, workplaces, etc.  In each case the remedy is particular to
the case rather than being in a campaign to simply label the entire institution
with Nazi-laden imagery.

Granted, I have never been on the RPF but I've known those who have and seen it
up close.  There is no representative depiction of the RPF as "slave labor
camps" that is founded on anything but hysteria and venom.  I agree that it is
tragic that some people have had wrongful acts committed against them in the
RPF and believe these specific instances merit legal redress.

=  The a.r.s. prime directive: Make Jokes About Scientologist's Deaths=

Example, regarding Attorney Moxon and his UNFORTUNATE loss:   "Maybe he
believes there are no underground transformer vaults in Europe."  (JB
Lingerman)


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