CSIS - Derek Lee, MP - Scientology connections
Frog2
Member of Parliament for Scarborough-Rouge River
Ontario, Canada
I think Mr. Lee needs to be informed about Scientology. Send emails to:
Le...@parl.gc.ca
(Mr. Lee "More flake than a box of All-Bran")
http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2000-11-02/newsspread.html
Liberal losers By Enzo Di Matteo
It's election time again. Will Ontario keep on marking its X for the
flakes, losers and lazy boys and girls who make up the federal Liberal
caucus?
DEREK LEE (Scarborough-Rouge River) -- Tax cuts and debt reduction. Voted
against including sexual orientation as grounds for discrimination in the
Human Rights Act. Anti-choice. Sound familiar?
Not a people person -- a loner and a mystery. A curious connection to the
Church of Scientology, the controversial self-help group he's been helping
to get charitable status in Ottawa. More flake than a box of All-Bran.
(Mr. Lee "Friend of L Ron Hubbard")
http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/19/35/News/brief.html
Scientology boosts friends in high places
POLITICS Grit (Liberal) MP Derek Lee a Scientology symp? You might wonder
if you happened to breeze the most recent issue of the Toronto Free
Press.There, pictured with church prez Janet Laveau, is the former Grit GTA
caucus chair along with a group of others listed as recipients of the
Friends of the L. Ron Hubbard Humanitarian Award. Lee says he got the award
for helping the church make its case with the CRTC for more "religious"
programming on cable.
Lee, it turns out, is also impressed by Scientology's drug rehab and
literacy efforts. He's not concerned, he says, about the questions
surrounding some of its out-there teachings. "A lot of church groups bump
into controversy. The Catholic Church had a little problem with the
Inquisition a few hundred years ago," says Lee.
Things got a little more complicated, however, when Scientology prez Laveau
was called for comment. First, she denied that Lee received an award. Then
she asked NOW to fax questions. To these she did not respond specifically.
ENZO Di MATTEO
(Mr. Lee sends his "congratulations on a half-century of spiritual
leadership and commitment to social advance")
From: Lronscam (NOSPAML...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: How many at the event?
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 1999/12/31
>Over 14,000 attended the event at the Los Angeles Sports Arena
>on Tuesday, December 28th, 1999.
>
>Read all about it:
>
>http://www.freedommag.org
More on Freedom Rag:
"Among those sending congratulations on a half-century of spiritual
leadership and commitment to social advance were Los Angeles Mayor Richard
Riordan, California Governor Gray Davis, California State Senator Raymond
Haynes, California State Senator Richard Polanco, U.S. Congressmen Ben
Gilman and Xavier Becerra, Canadian Member of Parliament Derek Lee, South
African Minister of Arts, Culture, Science and Technology, Ben Ngubane,
Italian Minister of Public Education, Roberto Gagliardi and U.S. President
Bill Clinton."
(Mr. Lee doesn't want CSIS investigating international criminal activity -
such as the CofS engages in))
http://www.infowar.com/class_2/class2_011498a.html-ssi
PAPER The Vancouver Sun
PDATE Tuesday, October 28, 1997
HEADLINE Watchdog questions CSIS role in trade secrets: Federal report
finds
the spy agency has gone beyond its mandate, raising the issue
of
what its job should be.
BYLINE Jim Bronskill
SOURCE Southam News
Derek Lee, former head of the Commons committee on national security, says
CSIS is poking its nose into cases that often fall outside its mandate.
The Liberal MP says the federal cabinet must set clear policy as to what
CSIS should be doing to protect economic security, or risk potential abuses
by the spy service. ``The harm is that you have an intelligence agency with
all kinds of power and technology snooping in an area where they don't need
to snoop, and we're all potential victims of that.''
CSIS, responsible for identifying threats to Canadian security, has had
formal programs in place for six years to investigate clandestine efforts
to acquire economic and scientific information. In the last two years, CSIS
has become increasingly involved in investigating international criminal
activity.
(Mr. Lee thinks CSIS should outsource collection of intelligence - maybe
use OSA's Dept 20?)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/committees352/sena/evidence/13_97-04-15/sena13_blk101.html
HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
EVIDENCE Sub-Committee on NATIONAL SECURITY
of the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs
Chair: Derek Lee
Meeting No. 13 Tuesday, April 15, 1997
The Acting Chairman (Mr. George S. Rideout): Mr. Gallaway, Mr.
Discepola...? Mr. Lee.
Mr. Derek Lee (Scarborough - Rouge River, Lib.)): This is the first time
I've had a chance to ask questions in a long time.
I wanted to ask a question that had to with the economics of gathering
intelligence. It's something you will be looking at and have looked at from
time to time; that is, the efficacy, the value-for-money aspects of
intelligence gathering. It relates to the potential for contracting out
open-source or quasi-open-source intelligence gathering.
As I understand it, because of decisions made principally in the U.S. but
not confined in the U.S., the technological platform from which
intelligence gathering will operate in the private sector will, within five
years, be at the same technological level of advancement as are today's
intelligence agencies.
Therefore, it's reasonable to speculate that the private sector
intelligence gathering capabilities from all sources, open source and just
pulled out of thin air, wherever they can get the data - and that includes
what is sometimes referred to as black-ops or satellite-gathered
intelligence... If that's the case, if so much capability is going to be in
the hands of the private sector, would it not be feasible to begin looking
at the economics of acquiring open-source and quasi-open-source
intelligence data for purposes of analysis or refinement, as opposed to
just having it in-house in government?
Ms Gauthier: When you say ``acquiring open sources'' do you mean that CSIS,
for example, would out-source part of its activities to the private sector
to do jobs they wouldn't do? I don't understand what you mean by asking
private sources.
Mr. Derek Lee: Okay. At this time, CSIS devotes a part of its resources to
collecting and analysing open-source data for intelligence purposes.
Ms Gauthier: Yes, but only when it's necessary. I mean, they don't do that
just... They do that in connection with investigation. They cannot collect
open sources just for the sake of collecting open sources on any issues.
Mr. Derek Lee: Well, CSIS, as I understand it, has access to a ton of
open-source -
Ms Gauthier: Yes, sure, and it's good.
Mr. Derek Lee: - data and media, and you're saying that CSIS wouldn't
bother using any of those resources if it weren't targeting a particular
threat.
Ms Gauthier: If it's not in connection with a particular threat, they
cannot collect open source and put it in a file. They can maybe prepare a
document of information, general, for the public, but not to collect
information and put it in a file, even though it's coming from open
sources.
Mr. Derek Lee: Okay. Then let us assume for the sake of discussion that
there has been targeting authority given, there's been a target approval
given.
Ms Gauthier: Okay, sure.
Mr. Derek Lee: In that circumstance, acquisition of a bulk of data analysed
from a private sector source is in theory a feasible operation. It would
cost money, but -
Ms Gauthier: What do you mean by open source - a library, Internet,
magazines, newspapers?
Mr. Derek Lee: Everything, yes, all. A term that's sometimes used now is
``all source''.
Ms Gauthier: All source, yes. Well, they have access to all sources. So
they can ask the right people, but I think they want to rely on their own
collection of information; they would not like to rely on somebody else.
Mr. Derek Lee: This is something we sometimes hear from the Department of
Public Works, as well. They like to do it in-house. I am addressing the
potential for economies here. If you have subject A, which has been decided
to be a threat to the security of Canada, and if subject A includes person
B, and you're looking at a level-one type investigation, I believe that at
some point in the future one will be able to purchase in the private sector
analysed data about person number one in relation to subject A.
Ms Gauthier: That's possible, sure.
Mr. Derek Lee: It might take CSIS a couple of weeks to generate something
fresh about person number one in relation to item A, whereas they may be
able to get it in 48 hours from the private sector.
I'm asking if -
Ms Gauthier: They're doing it.
Mr. Derek Lee: - this is being looked at. Obviously it's not high on
anybody's agenda.
Ms Gauthier: I think that's a question you should ask the director first,
because he knows probably more than we do. I could not tell you that
they're doing it at the moment. I would much prefer that you start by
asking him and then ask us from what he will tell you.
Mr. Derek Lee: Okay. Thank you.
(Maybe CSIS should be investigating Mr. Lee?)